Does Key know why he replaced Roy with Boscawen?

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1. tc 1

   18 August 2010 at 11:22 am

   What key doesn’t know would fill a library……the corpratocracy approach means, like Reynolds atop of telecom collecting the big bucks, he fronts an agenda and does all the PR stuff leaving the actual work and detail to the ones who have ability…..not many in the NACT regime.

   It’s also a clear sign there’s no respect being attributed to him by ACT (surprised anyone!) otherwise he’d be in the loop.
2. randal 2

   18 August 2010 at 12:00 pm

   well wodney was vewwy vewwy big on transparency and openness and all that palaver but when it comes to himself we already know that there is a different set of rules.
3. BLiP 3

   18 August 2010 at 12:04 pm

   You’ve already made the point about Worth getting sacked without explanation, its not exactly that difficult a fact to discern, yet John Armstrong seems to be oblivious. In today’s piece he says:

   The days when a New Zealand politician could get away with a “no comment” response in such situations are long gone.

   At least Armstrong draws the distinction between Goff’s handling of the Carter affair and ACT’s silliness.
4. vto 4

   18 August 2010 at 12:06 pm

   Does it also reflect the increasing disillusionment with government that replacing a minister in such a manner raises no issues with the general public?

   People perhaps roll their eyes and carry on getting on with the important things in their lives (which, further, is perhaps a bit disingenuous given the increasing power being accumulated by govt).
5. sally 5

   18 August 2010 at 12:10 pm

   I wonder if Pita could use the same liberty to replace Tariana with Hone, and John Key would have the same reaction?
6. Carol 6

   18 August 2010 at 12:55 pm

   I do think Key was consulted before it became a done deal. There was something on Nat Rad this morning about Key being informed about it on Monday night. But Key is keeping his distance from it so he’s not drawn into the discussion. But then, do we know Key didn’t have some influence on rolling Roy? We have no way of knowing, it’s all been kept so secret.
7. mickysavage 7

   18 August 2010 at 1:16 pm

   Does Key know why he replaced Roy with Boscawen?

   Ahhh no but he is relaxed about it and he going to kick the tyres on it …
8. gobsmacked 8

   18 August 2010 at 1:31 pm

   It’s just the next stage in this fascinating (terrifying) scientific experiment. We’re all the guinea pigs.

   Original assumption: “They can’t get away with it.” (see not only the silence on Worth, but abuse of urgency, abolition of elections, Bennett’s privacy breach, refusal to answer questions – “brush-off” – etc, etc).

   Swivel-eyed scientist: “But who says they can’t get away with it? Let’s find out what happens … Ooh, it seems they can! Let’s turn up the dial some more …”

   “Er, are you sure, Professor? Nobody’s ever gone to that level before!”

   Scientist: “Turn it up, I say! Let’s see what this baby can do!”

   … and so it goes on.

   There are no rules that can’t be broken. There is only what John Key can get away with. With the weakest media scrutiny in the Western world, it turns out he can get away with plenty. All he needs is a shrug and a smile. Who knew?

   Next: the new Governor-General. (Gasp! “You can’t do that!” … but who’s gonna stop him?).
9. Cnr Joe(inamomentofclarity) 9

   18 August 2010 at 1:44 pm

   Having just skimmed the guest post on the free market –
   So these mutts think the free-market works as individuals – with all information they need to make the right choices – do just that: make choices.
   But these mutts also with-hold so much information.
   But then that’s how they conned their way into the job in the first place…..
10. Carol 10

    18 August 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Labour has been suuccesful in getting the ACT change of dep. leader & ministerial posts debated in Parliament. Darren Hughes has just referred to the NACT confidence and supply agreement that the relationship would be based on good faith & no surprises.

    And Hughes is asking about Hide removing a classified defense document from Roy’s office and bullying her.

    Boscowen made his challenge for the dep leadership on 5 Aug. And Hughes is saying that it is impossible to believe Key didn’t know about it. He is also saying Roy’s name was written into the NACT supply & confidence agreement.
    • Carol 10.1

      18 August 2010 at 3:22 pm

      Darren Hughes, damn good, fiery speech!

      And English is going on about the Labour Party’s history, Carter etc… rather than answer to the current case about Roy.
11. Carol 11

    18 August 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Hide is just saying that he informed Key 13 days ago, that Boscowen had challenge for the deputy leadership. Hide discussed it in detail with Key and kept him informed with every step.
    • Carol 11.1

      18 August 2010 at 4:13 pm

      Whoa1 Lots of stuff airing in this debate.

      Mallard has just said that Roy complained about Key, Hide, Davo Henderson & ermmm … Bob Parker (is that his first name), inappropriately went away on a trip to Queenstown together. ie, the implication ebing they have a bit of an exclusive buddy relationship.

      Also, Hide gave the classified defence documents, taken off Roy’s desk, to a member of ACT’s board, a blogger, but also ex-military & with “integrity”, so now the documents are in the hands of the SIS.
      • mickysavage 11.1.1

        18 August 2010 at 4:41 pm

        Hide gave the classified defence documents, taken off Roy’s desk, to a member of ACT’s board, a blogger, but also ex-military & with “integrity’, so now the documents are in the hands of the SIS

        No wonder he is nervous. If there is any truth to this the following should happen:

        1. He should be stood down from Cabinet.
        2. There needs to be an urgent inquiry to see if national security has been breached.
        3. The police and SIS should then be asked to investigate to see if crimes have been committed.
12. tc 12

    18 August 2010 at 4:49 pm

    To true MS…..however based on the MSM’s track record watch this get swept under the big blue carpet and run over with a steamroller big enough to make brownlee look like a stick figure.

    Funny that Hide’s refusal to answer is deemed ‘silly’ by some in the MSM but whenever NAT ministers do it it’s ‘clever’ or ‘authorative’ or simply portrayed as tough leadership on issues…FFS.

    As for breaching nat security….sideshow seems to do it often when revealing what our troops are doing rather than simply refusing to disclose….plonker.
    • Lew 12.1

      18 August 2010 at 4:57 pm

      based on the MSM’s track record watch this get swept under the big blue carpet and run over with a steamroller big enough to make brownlee look like a stick figure.

      You were saying?

      L
      • Carol 12.1.1

        18 August 2010 at 5:07 pm

        Hmmm. Interesting article. Thanks for the link, Lew. And the allegations directly contradict what Hide and the Nats were saying about the issue. Hide claimed, that NACT had more efficient and democratic processes than the Labour Party; that there was no reason for Roy being replaced, other than that Bascawen had decided to challenge her deputy leadership because he thought he could do the job better.

        In parliament today, NACT made a big play of how they do an efficient & democratic process of role change, without the circuses that Labour have, eg with cameras following Carter around parliament.
      • mickysavage 12.1.2

        18 August 2010 at 5:12 pm

        Wow

        Act can kiss goodbye to the female vote for a start …

        I am watching the disintergration of the ACT party with a sense of morbid fascination.

        CAPCHA removes ; )
      • Jum 12.1.3

        18 August 2010 at 11:19 pm

        Checked out your link, thanks, Lew. Having finished the article on bully boy Hide dismembering his party cohesion, my eyes strayed to the list of headlines and settled on the ‘toxic sea slug’ one. How appropriate.
13. Rex Widerstrom 13

    18 August 2010 at 5:01 pm

    So, if Hide has made David Garrett his deputy, Key would have shrugged and made room for him at the Cabinet table.

    Part of me wants to see that scenario. Alright it’s the same part of me that used to brew nitroglycerine in my parents’ spare bedroom, but still…
14. gobsmacked 14

    18 August 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Apart from the blood-letting (or rather, flooding) in that Herald article Lew links to, the reference to Wayne Mapp is the one that DEMANDS demands a thorough investigation.

    If true, then the Defence Minister explicitly did not want the Associate Minister to lose her job. Quite the opposite.

    So a minister who was competent, according to her National ‘boss’, has been ousted for reasons that have nothing to do with her performance. Against the wishes of the Minister and (of course) Associate Minister.

    Therefore, keeping Rodney Hide happy is more important to the Prime Minister than the New Zealand Defence Forces. And that is a scandal.
    • Jum 14.1

      18 August 2010 at 11:24 pm

      Act no longer has any defence portfolio, I gather. Since Key knew they were planning to ‘assassinate’ Roy, politically, is there a reason for Key to keep defence matters locked in his closet?

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