Employment numbers have both good and bad news

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1. BLiP 1

   5 February 2009 at 4:20 pm

   The gradual casualisation of the New Zealand workforce speeds up under National. How many more of us are going to end up on the dole scrap heap by the time the voters realise what they have done and heave the bastards out?
2. Brett Dale 2

   5 February 2009 at 4:28 pm

   Steve, do those figures count part time and casual workers, because that could be misleading. Is someone who is working 10 hours counted as employed????
3. Steve Pierson 3

   5 February 2009 at 4:30 pm

   Brett. Of course they do, for fuck’s sake I mention part-time employment in the post.
4. Brett Dale 4

   5 February 2009 at 4:41 pm

   Don’t you think its playing around with figures to call someone employed who only works ten hours a week?
5. Steve Pierson 5

   5 February 2009 at 4:46 pm

   Brett. Take it up with Stats. And, no, I don’t think so. Think about it for a second, what is the definition of employed? Look it up on google and stop wasting my time.
6. Brett Dale 6

   5 February 2009 at 4:53 pm

   Steve:

   Well stop twisting figures, you would make a good politician.

   If the National government were claiming someone as employed for working ten hours a week, you would call them on there BS.

   Yes I know they are stats NZ figures, but your using them to make the previous Government look better than they were.
7. Steve Pierson 7

   5 February 2009 at 4:57 pm

   Brett. I’m not twisting the damn figures, they’re quoted straight from Stats.

   The number of employed people is just that. The number of people in paid work.

   But if you want to really understand what is happening you also need to look at the hours worked, which I do.

   At no point in the post do I mention either the previous government or the current one.

   You’re on the border of doing a burt and having a week off for being too dumb.
8. Chris S 8

   5 February 2009 at 5:14 pm

   Brett, not everything has to be framed in the realm of who’s party ran the show better.

   Stats NZ is rightly and necessarily apolitical to report the data to the public without spin or excuses.

   A lot of the time it’s not overly important about which statistics are reported, but that the same statistics are reported when trying to establish a trend. You (quite rightly) pick up that a particular statistic doesn’t give a proper representation of the situation, but taken in conjunction with the other statistics reported (as Steve pointed out) you can figure out what’s going on.

   Now, it’s actually in all our best interests to understand the depth and gravity of the situation at hand instead of pointless bickering.
9. Carol 9

   5 February 2009 at 5:38 pm

   How much is the increase in both unemployment figures &/or employed figures the result of people returning from overseas?

   They’re just talking about it on National Radio. hmmm… increase in numbers of women (to help pay off debt) and over 65 yr olds re-entering the workforce (taking a hit to investments and cash-rates).
10. Brett Dale 10

    5 February 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Im saying that the stats can give a false impression of people in work?

    Im guessing Stats New Zealand broke it down by full/part/casual.
11. Quoth the Raven 11

    5 February 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Is Colin Espiner the worst politcal commentator in the country? Political partisanship and all that aside.
12. gargleshite 12

    5 February 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Nope that honour would surely go to one of the bloggers.
13. Quoth the Raven 13

    5 February 2009 at 9:03 pm

    I should’ve said professional political commentator.
14. gargleshite 14

    5 February 2009 at 9:22 pm

    In that case quite possibly – what we are in desperate need of is political satire to return in the form of McPhail and Gadsby or spitting Image or such like – this tend to be far more accurate and entertaining than the hacks in the print media or TVv news.
15. Rodel 15

    5 February 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Crosby Textor’s advisory mantra:All Nactional MPs will utter sound bites using
    the following words:
    “..Blah….shame/ pity/ unfortunate /
    that… the previous government didn’t :
    see fit to/ bother about/ care about/ ..blah blah”
    the average New Zealander/ the health system/ the education of our kids/Maori
    the environment. (anything)
    Insert at every available speaking opportunity
    Do not say “The Labour government”-just; ” Previous government”
    Ignore evidence to the contrary
    Do not participate in challenging evidence to the contrary
    Repeat 10 times before breakfast
    Repeat mindlessly when ever a radio or TV interviewer is within 3 metres
    Practise in front of a mirror to make it sound genuine (NB don’t use big words)
16. deemac 16

    6 February 2009 at 12:23 am

    sorry if this is a silly question, but isn’t the rise in numbers employed in Q4 a regular seasonal thing? Xmas jobs, summer holiday jobs??
17. randominanity 17

    6 February 2009 at 10:25 am

    Well if one is going to jump up and down about the importance of accuracy the TVNZ’s reporter’s name is Corin Dann (not Corin Darin).

    If you’re going to criticise someone (be it warranted or not) at least have the decency to spell their name correctly
18. TghtyRighty 18

    6 February 2009 at 10:28 am

    For once steve seems to have written an informative piece that is well thought out and coherent. Brett, part time and casual workers are counted as employed because they are, and splitting hairs about how many hours people work is not fair play. often part-times work is either a) all they can get or b) what works best for them. these people still contribute to the economy and should be recognized for it.

    Dee, seasonal variation in employment should have been taken into account and adjusted for by statsNZ, or they’re not doing their job properly.

    Rodel, suck balls, crosby/textor are at least a company who have to work and grind for their living, unlike the 500+ “comunication advisors” employed under the last regime.
19. Peter Burns 19

    6 February 2009 at 10:36 am

    Did the huge numbers of parasitic communication advisers from the last regime put a surcharge on their hyperbole on Maori day? Spin doctors make me vomit over me cat called spook.
20. Felix 20

    6 February 2009 at 10:47 am

    the 500+ “comunication advisors’ employed under the last regime.

    And presumably still employed under the current regime.
21. ak 21

    6 February 2009 at 11:38 am

    Totally off-topic, but in case you missed it, this article might sow a wee seed in you clever young Standardistas: there’s a heap of journalistic talent rejected by the rightie paper barons now beavering away in isolated sites – whack em together in one attractive and easily-accessible package (and mix in a few cartoons, headlines etc) and you might be surprised at how many would chip in. Make it simple, chuck in some local news, and I’d ditch my expensive tory firelighting material in a nano-second. Who knows, you might even get paid one day!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walter-isaacson/a-bold-old-idea-for-savin_b_164039.html
22. MollyByGolly 22

    6 February 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Brett has a point. While Statistics NZ is non-political, the last govt did change the definition of “employed”. It used to mean someone in paid work for 30 or more hours per week; in the mid-2000s this was changed to mean anyone in paid employment for ONE hour per week or more. This makes across-time comparisons (2008 cf 2003) useless unless you can break the data down by hours worked AND know whether people are happy with their level of employment.

    TghtyRighty – yes, some people choose part time work because it suits them best but it the statistics as reported here do not measure whether these people are happy with their level of employment. There is a difference between employed and under-employed.

    Statistics are not neutral. How variables are defined impact on the numbers. And you won’t find that technical detail by typing “define unemployment” on Google.
23. Rodel 23

    6 February 2009 at 2:32 pm

    TghtRighty said:

    “Rodel, suck balls, crosby/textor are at least a company who have to work and grind for their living, unlike the 500+ “comunication advisors’ employed under the last regime.”
    Was it ‘grind’ or ‘graft’?
    I’m overwhelmed by the choice of vocabulary, grammatical competence and intellectual rigor of right wing debates and also the corroboration (sorry -big word) of my original point.

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