web analytics

English hammered on ‘druggies’ smear

Written By: - Date published: 6:37 am, March 1st, 2017 - 44 comments
Categories: bill english, drugs, im/migration, jobs, useless - Tags: , , , ,

Yesterday I wrote – Bill’s bigoted drug reckons vs the evidence

Bill English is full of shit and it’s time that more media called him on it.

Turns out they actually did. I’m not claiming credit, jut pleased to see it happen –

Bill English claims about Kiwi jobseekers using drugs ‘not backed by data’

Just 466 failed drug tests since 2013, Ministry of Social Development says

Tens of thousands drug-tested, hundreds fail

PM accused of being irresponsible over drug test claims

Unions slam PM over claim drugs drive employers to favour migrant workers

Tracy Watkins deserves some kind of award for worst title ever – Government fighting immigration’s tentacles on every front

Pull the other one. The Prime Minister’s latest reach reach on record immigration being the fault of doped up unemployed Kiwis doesn’t stack up.

Bill English blamed the number of young people on drugs, in part, for the Government’s decision not to further limit unskilled migrant numbers.

It’s not the first time either. English previously regaled a Fed Farmers meeting about the number of “pretty damn hopeless” young Kiwis who were unemployable.

Yes he did.

English won’t have done himself any political harm with the claim

Yes he will.

But the numbers don’t support him, even if the anecdotal evidence claimed by English does.

Oh please.

English will be worried that he got hammered like this, when Key got away with all sorts of insults and lies. Only Newshub bucked the trend and doubled down –

Employers defend PM’s comments on drug testing

Kiwis ‘useless’ workers – ‘immigrants saved my business’

If you think your fellow Kiwis are useless workers you’re doing it wrong.

44 comments on “English hammered on ‘druggies’ smear ”

  1. tc 1

    Seems like the dog whistle is going to be a go to nact strategy in election year.

    An approach that works with willing shills like Watkins, trevitt, Hoskins etc on the basis that if you throw enough shit, some sticks and you get non critical thinkers following like sheep.

    • RRM 1.1

      Yeah that’s the way… even as Greens and Labour combined are polling less than Nats, the problem is the voters are dumb sheeple who can’t think properly.

      Please, don’t change anything. Your attitude is good for National and, therefore, good for the country.

      • Psycho Milt 1.1.1

        Any comment on the actual subject at hand? I’ll be astonished if you’ve anything of substance to contribute.

      • Morrissey 1.1.2

        National’s prime minister is telling lies—he calls them “anecdotes”—about Kiwi workers. You think that’s good for the country?

        • Draco T Bastard 1.1.2.1

          It’s typical of authoritarian followers to always defend their leaders no matter how unethical/immoral they are.

      • Just because Labour aren’t firing on all cylinders yet doesn’t mean National aren’t behaving like a tyre fire. 😉

  2. I had liked Newshrubs coverage last night. Mention the 700 odd beneficieries that have failed drugs test, put the number on screen then mention at the end that it was 0.001% but leave the big number up on screen at the same time…

    Ahh ‘fair and balanced’ news reporting….

    • dv 2.1

      OK , how does that number explain the need to import ca 30,000 immigrants to cover that shortfall?

      • michelle 2.1.1

        Do you believe there is only 30 thousand I think there is more numbers than what we are being told either way only 700 people tested positive since 2013 and 30 thousand plus immigrants to cover the shortfall someone is telling porkies here

        • Dv 2.1.1.1

          Quick calc, as I read that 50% are returning nzer, and Aussies.

          • Kevin 2.1.1.1.1

            Does it matter who they are or where they come from?

            30,000 is a lot of people and they all need housing and jobs.

            On one hand, you turn off the immigration tap and in very short time you have even bigger issues in housing, like falling values, people unable to service their loans and more importantly, very fucked off National voters.

            And the on the other hand you have employers looking to employ the cheapest labour they can, no longer able to turn the Islands and pay minimum wage and then garnish it for things like transport and accommodation

            National are between rock and hard place so they do what comes naturally. Lie and make shit up.

    • The nadir of their coverage was the oaf doing the reporting standing there at the end saying English is right, because employers benefiting from the supply of exploitable migrant labour agree with him.

    • Richard Christie 2.3

      approx 0.1% , not 0.001%

      i.e approx 400 positives from approx 90,000 tests, = 0.0077 or 0.77%

  3. RRM 3

    English hammered? Really?

    Mr Roy Morgan suggests the transition from Key to English has cost Nats nothing.

    • ian 3.1

      Cost the Nats nothing, for now, but if Bill English keeps having these sorts of irretrievable verbal train smashes, that is going to start to change.

      • David C 3.1.1

        ian.
        More people want Winston “baubles” Peters as Prime Minister than Andrew Little.
        Maybe that is where you should be looking for change?

    • Pull the other one, they went from a recovery into numbers where they were odds-on for being the next government just before key resigned to two consecutive polls that are statistical ties between National, a Labour-Green led coalition, and the wildcard option of “NZ First Decides!”

      I’d get yourself ready for a lot of nats failing to turn out this year or voting for “anyone but Bill” if any of them have the slightest conscience, and fortunately for the country, I know quite a few who do.

  4. Keith 4

    I was a bit disappointed by Andrew Little on RNZ yesterday as he didn’t seem abreast with the subject. And frankly given the festering sore it is I don’t know how he isn’t!

    Listening to the lead up to his interview NZ Drug Detection Agency boss Kirk Hardy said about 5% of all work place testing shows up drugs I would have thought he would have had plenty of ammunition from that alone to throw back at English. In fact some follow up research from the last set of lies to justify rampant cheap labour migration by Key last year would have made me think Little would have been up to speed.

    He floundered around talking about giving people who test positive a second chance but the reality is with 5% failures 95% of workers and or their applicants are not needing second chances as the labour pool is virtually clean anyway.

    Susie Ferguson put words in his mouth that he agreed in essence with Bill English and Little didn’t refute it. Its not that I think he agrees, rather it was like he was struggling with the interview and subject.

    We all know this immigration is to provide a vast pool of cheap exploitable labour for Nationals donors and they are shit scared someone is going to turn the tap down and force them to pay better and provide better working conditions. Lying and dumping your citizens might suit them but it should never be uttered by a Prime Minister for the employers benefit.

    You need to be sharper than this Andrew because English could have been crucified with this latest bullshit but you didn’t take your chance to do so.

    • shorts 4.1

      agree – its not the first time Little hasn’t been able to just ram home how disingenuous the govt is being – these are the opportunities to show who is in command of the situation… and its a subject that has been done before and covers highly relevant topics newswire and election wise

      can do better… and will be presented with plenty of opportunities to do so I’d wager

    • Morrissey 4.2

      Little is bumbling, mealy-mouthed, and seemingly unable to speak the simplest truths in a direct manner.

      Maybe we should compete with these French morons and see if we can attract the Great Communicator to lead our Labour Party….

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/oui-on-peut-petition-barack-obama-french-president

  5. Pete 5

    That other cretin, David Seymour, is into it now trying to twist it to suit his agenda.

  6. Gareth Morgan:
    ” If we want young people to be gainfully employed, and a country filled with people with the right skills, then we need to go deeper than just implying young people are a bit useless; it does the Prime Minster and New Zealanders a disservice.”

    http://morganfoundation.org.nz/employment-policy-built-quality-evidence-reckons/

    “There is no evidence those on jobseekers can’t get work due to drug use

    When we look at the reliable numbers we do have, the unemployed are not failing drugs tests in any numbers of note.”

  7. Sorrwerdna 7

    In defence of Bill’s comments relying on the failed drug test numbers only paints part of the overall picture. There will be plenty of employers who are either unwilling or unable to afford to pay for random drug testing but rather rely on their judgment as to weather the current young person they have on trial is wacked out of his head.

    • left_forward 7.1

      Of course there will Sorrywerdna – just keep telling yourself so, after all you can’t let this influence your prejudices.

  8. Morrissey 8

    Sleaze and dishonesty, as shown in their verbal trashing of Kiwi workers, are hallmarks of Bill English and his National/ACT cronies. But Labour has a pretty shameful history of outrageous behaviour as well. One of the Clark government’s most shameful deeds was its persecution of the exiled Algerian parliamentarian Ahmed Zaoui. The following exchange from 2003 features Clark’s smooth and slippery deputy Michael Cullen, plus a supportive comment by one of our Standard colleagues…

    https://home.greens.org.nz/oralquestions/question-oral-answer-ahmed-zaoui-and-sis-inquiry

  9. Whispering Kate 9

    With Blinglish and this latest hypocrisy over drugged out kiwis – don’t we have a Hate Speech Law in this country – he is flying close to the wind on his non-factual statements. Why does he have such a deep rooted hatred of New Zealanders and enjoys insulting them at every opportunity.

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      Why does he have such a deep rooted hatred of New Zealanders and enjoys insulting them at every opportunity.

      That attitude has been an indelible part of the rich for the poor pretty much forever. This is one reason why we need to get rid of the rich.

  10. John G 10

    I have a problem with the prevalence of drug testing onsite these days. I checked on a drug testing companies site. They do not test for alcohol, which I would have thought was the most common drug. With the drugs they do test for (THC opiates amphetamines etc) They test for the prescence of the drug NOT the quantity, They even state it in their FAQ that it may take weeks for traces of THC to get out of your system. I am uncomfortable with the fact that an employer can tell me what I can do in my own home. Needless to say if it affects my work that is different. But traces ?

    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      Exactly.

      It’s wrong and goes against every principle of personal freedom that we hold.

    • emergency mike 10.2

      There’s no rationality here John G. Our drug laws and attitudes are based on cultural norms and decades of propaganda from corporate and political self-interest. Reality and evidence about dangers and harm not so much. As I said on the other thread, smoke a joint last week of a drug with very mild or rare dangers and that kills no one, and you can be sacked or denied employment. But get pissed as f*** on Friday night on a sedative that kills ~15 kiwis per week, and for which the relationship with violence and rape is clear, and you’re a good sort.

      Some people just don’t approve of the way some other people choose to live their lives.

    • Craig H 10.3

      Fully agree – if you’re not under the influence at work, it shouldn’t matter.

  11. Sutton's li'l helper 11

    The nats are always trying to paint labour as negative about New Zealand, well how much more negative can you get than the prime minister of NZ saying all young kiwis are hopeless druggies. Labour need to come out and say they stand up for the next generation of NZ and don’t want to see their hopes and dreams smashed by the likes of Bill English, a prime minister who only cares about a fraction of society.

  12. Yep the gnats are in complete disarray, a rabble, leaderless and desperate and Bill? Bill looks more like a little bit every day. Resign now Bill before Paula or horror, judith slide the sharp point in – its over bill, the dream is over.

    • Pete 12.1

      English can smear all he likes, lie all he likes, cuddle up to mongrels from Act all he likes. You can say they are in disarray, a rabble, leaderless and desperate.

      Get the emotion out of it, be rid of the notion that most people care enough about homelessness, poverty, the housing crisis and immigration to vote against Bill’s mob. Not abstain, actually get out and vote positively to get rid of them.

      Right now what chance of them not being re-elected? 5-8%?

  13. McFlock 13

    Of additional concern is if 0.1% of unemployed people going for work test drug positive (or refuse the test), but as someone said above 5% of employed workers test positive, why are NZ employers so awful that people start taking up drugs? 🙂

  14. sable 14

    The MSM call out a neo con corporati government? My what a sense of humour…….

  15. rod 15

    So, do they drug test migrant workers when they arrive and or while they are here ? Just curious. Perhaps the PM will tell us.

  16. Thinkerr 16

    The problem is plain and a seasoned politician like English should have seen it – especially after an earlier similar gaffe.

    He’s done dog-whistle politics – sent a subtle message to a minority of voters, presumably the farmers who benefit from immigrant workers and, possibly, Archie Bunker types who love to think of the young as uncooth louts.

    So far, so good, if you like your politics served that way.

    But, in sending a subtle message to a minority, he’s sent an unsubtle message to everyone else IMHO; namely, that although he’s everyone’s appointed leader, he dosn’t have much faith in or respect for the average kiwi, believing that the work ethic of immigrants is far superior.

    The nub of the problem is that swinging voters, who are the power behind winning the election, are neither the immigrant-hiring farmers or age-ist bigots., and might well be put off by the slur.

    As your article says, Key got away with it because the media diluted the unsubtle message, but that hasn’t happened for English, apparently.

  17. mosa 17

    The problem is not drugs but SHIT WAGES.

    When are we going to address the real problem in this country of slave wages and the big and small employers who hide behind every excuse not to pay a livable wage and a National government that exploits the situation to explain mass immigration.

    Of course the people coming to this country to escape a living hell in their own impoverished country will happily work for nothing and be exploited by greedy kiwi businesses because anything is better than what they are escaping from.

    Bill English once said that he wanted a LOW WAGE ECONOMY because businesses had to make money to expand, bad luck if you have no choice but too accept a wage where you can barely exist too live and feed your children as we dont value real contribution and hard work in jobs under $40.000 per year.

  18. millsy 18

    Fatigue is a bigger factor in workplace accidents, resulting in workers being under pressure to work longer and longer hours.

    Slow wage growth and high rents and power prices in this country, are the reasons as to why young people dont want to take many jobs, with the constructon, farming and horticulure industry having little or no security, and pay increased hard to come by.

    The New Zealand employer is no different to an antebellum plantation owner.

  19. Philj 19

    As for Tracy Watkins article, maybe the stupid title was the editors idea? “Government fighting immigration’s tentacles on every front”
    Would not “Journalism and MSM fighting for credibility on every front”

Links to post

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • NZ announces a third P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    The Government has deployed a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 Orion (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea, announced Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark. “New Zealand has long supported ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Pacific trade and development agreement a reality
    Pacific regional trade and development agreement PACER Plus will enter into force in 60 days now that the required eight countries have ratified it. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker welcomed the announcement that the Cook Islands is the eighth nation to ratify this landmark agreement. “The agreement represents ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Securing a pipeline of teachers
    The Government is changing its approach to teacher recruitment as COVID-19 travel restrictions continue, by boosting a range of initiatives to get more Kiwis into teaching. “When we came into Government, we were faced with a teacher supply crisis,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “Over the past three years, we ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Border exceptions for a small number of international students with visas
    The Government has established a new category that will allow 250 international PhD and postgraduate students to enter New Zealand and continue their studies, in the latest set of border exceptions. “The health, safety and wellbeing of people in New Zealand remains the Government’s top priority. Tight border restrictions remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • First COVID-19 vaccine purchase agreement signed
    The Government has signed an agreement to purchase 1.5 million COVID-19 vaccines – enough for 750,000 people – from Pfizer and BioNTech, subject to the vaccine successfully completing all clinical trials and passing regulatory approvals in New Zealand, say Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods and Health Minister Chris Hipkins. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • International statement – End-to-end encryption and public safety
    We, the undersigned, support strong encryption, which plays a crucial role in protecting personal data, privacy, intellectual property, trade secrets and cyber security.  It also serves a vital purpose in repressive states to protect journalists, human rights defenders and other vulnerable people, as stated in the 2017 resolution of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Ministry of Defence Biodefence Assessment released
    The Ministry of Defence has today released a Defence Assessment examining Defence’s role across the spectrum of biological hazards and threats facing New Zealand. Biodefence: Preparing for a New Era of Biological Hazards and Threats looks at how the NZDF supports other agencies’ biodefence activities, and considers the context of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020
    New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020 Hon David Parker’s response following Thomas Piketty and Esther Duflo. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, wherever in the world you might be. I first acknowledge the excellent thought provoking speeches of Thomas Piketty and Esther ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Kaipara Moana restoration takes next step
    A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed today at Waihāua Marae between the Crown, local iwi and councils to protect, restore and enhance the mauri of Kaipara Moana in Northland. Environment Minister David Parker signed the document on behalf of the Crown along with representatives from Ngā Maunga Whakahī, Ngāti ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand and Uruguay unite on reducing livestock production emissions
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor and Uruguayan Minister of Livestock, Agriculture and Fisheries Carlos María Uriarte have welcomed the launch of a three-year project that will underpin sustainable livestock production in Uruguay, Argentina, and Costa Rica.  The project called ‘Innovation for pasture management’ is led by Uruguay’s National Institute of Agricultural ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • 3100 jobs created through marae upgrades
    Hundreds of marae throughout the country will be upgraded through investments from the Provincial Growth Fund’s refocused post COVID-19 funding to create jobs and put money into the pockets of local tradespeople and businesses, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta have announced. “A total ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Health volunteers recognised in annual awards
    Health Minister Chris Hipkins has announced 9 teams and 14 individuals are the recipients of this year’s Minister of Health Volunteer Awards.  “The health volunteer awards celebrate and recognise the thousands of dedicated health sector volunteers who give many hours of their time to help other New Zealanders,” Mr Hipkins ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Community COVID-19 Fund supports Pacific recovery
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio says a total of 264 groups and individuals have successfully applied for the Pacific Aotearoa Community COVID-19 Recovery Fund, that will support Pacific communities drive their own COVID-19 recovery strategies, initiatives, and actions. “I am keen to see this Fund support Pacific ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Community benefits from Māori apprenticeships
    Up to 50 Māori apprentices in Wellington will receive paid training to build houses for their local communities, thanks to a $2.75 million investment from the Māori Trades and Training Fund, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Ngāti Toa Rangatira Incorporated to provide its Ngā Kaimahi ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Training fund supports Māori jobseekers
    Rapidly growing sectors will benefit from a $990,000 Māori Trades and Training Fund investment which will see Wellington jobseekers supported into work, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Sapphire Consultants Ltd. to help up to 45 Māori jobseekers into paid training initiatives over two years through ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Ruakura Inland Port development vital infrastructure for Waikato
    The Government is investing $40 million to develop an inland port at Ruakura which will become a freight super-hub and a future business, research and residential development for the Waikato, Urban Development and Transport Minister Phil Twyford, and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today. The funding has been has ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Appointments made to Defence Expert Review Group
    Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today the establishment of an Expert Review Group to review a number of aspects of the New Zealand Defence Force’s (NZDF) structure, information management and record-keeping processes.  The Expert Review Group’s work arises out of the first recommendation from the Report of the Government’s Inquiry ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • No active community cases of COVID-19
    There are no active community cases of COVID-19 remaining in the country after the last people from the recent outbreak have recovered from the virus, Health Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “This is a big milestone. New Zealanders have once again through their collective actions squashed the virus. The systems ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Clean energy upgrade for more public buildings
    More public buildings will be supported by the Government to upgrade to run on clean energy, the Minister for Climate Change James Shaw announced today. Minister Shaw announced that Lincoln and Auckland universities will receive support through the Clean-Powered Public Service Fund to replace fossil fuel boilers. Southern, Taranaki, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Schools back donations scheme for the second year
    More schools have opted in to the donations scheme for 2021, compared to 2020 when the scheme was introduced. “The families of more than 447,000 students will be better off next year, with 94% of eligible schools and kura opting into the scheme,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Ruapehu cycle trails gets PGF boost
    The spectacular Mountains to Sea cycle trail in Ruapehu District will receive $4.6 million in funding from the Provincial Growth Fund for two additional trails, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This is an exciting development for the local community, and one that will provide significant economic opportunities ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Update to air border order strengthens crew requirements
    Additional measures coming into effect on Monday will boost our defence against COVID-19 entering New Zealand through the air border, Health Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “As part of our precautionary approach and strategy of constant review, we’re tightening the requirements around international aircrew,” Chris Hipkins said. The COVID-19 Public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago