Filth

Written By: - Date published: 3:15 pm, February 22nd, 2008 - 82 comments
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It looks like the nasty little insecure creeps who inhabit the Kiwiblog Right are creeping into the mainstream. I mean, take a look at this from today’s Herald:

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This follows Cameron Slater’s description of a female columnist who pointed out how weird his obsession with Clark is as “a fat, lazy, pommy, leftist slag”, Clint Heine’s photoshopping of Clark’s face onto a transsexual porn shot (I’m not linking this little gobshite’s work), and now today Farrar is implicitly calling retiring speaker Margaret Wilson a witch.

And as anyone who frequents the blogs knows this behaviour is not just acceptable amongst the National Party’s blogosphere activists, it’s become their norm.

I agree entirely with Deborah’s post on this sort of filth from several weeks ago, but I’ll add this to it: boys (because that’s all you are, at best) your hatred of women in power shows only how weak and vile you are. Go back to your dirty little single bedrooms and leave politics to the adults. Sickening.

82 comments on “Filth”

  1. IrishBill 1

    And before any of you little pricks start I should warn you that my tolerance for your filth on this blog is now zero.

  2. outofbed 2

    bill the 2nd link doesn’t work

  3. Tane 3

    They seem to have taken the link down. I’ll remove it.

  4. mike 4

    This sort of stuff was always just directed at the right by the left leaning media. Now things have evened up a tad and you don’t like it eh..

    IrishBill says: give me one example, Mike. Just one.

  5. Is that why Mickey has been so tame lately?

    It would be nice to see some zero-tolerance control of his filth.

  6. Steve Pierson 6

    Racism, sexism, homophobia, these are the calling cards of the Kiwiblog Right

  7. James Kearney 7

    You are obsessed with Robinsod aren’t you TDS? Is it because he kicks your Research Unit arse every time you show up here?

  8. infused 8

    Funny shit coming from you guys. Also the censorship here now is amazing.

  9. James Kearney 9

    Funny shit coming from you guys. Also the censorship here now is amazing.

    It’s funny- that’s the exact same line they’re running at Kiwiblog. Only no one can find anything that’s even remotely like the filth you see on the Kiwiblog Right. Even our resident attack troll TDS had to dig through the whole history of the site to find a handful of slightly rude comments (no posts though).

    You guys have a problem. You need to take a good hard look at yourselves and deal with it.

  10. dave 10

    [Tane: You’re banned for a week Dave for engaging in precisely the kind of behaviour outlined in this post. It’s a pity, because you do make good constructive points sometimes. But we’re not going to let this site get bogged down by sexist filth.]

  11. Santi 11

    Do you expect cartoonists to be Helen’s lapdogs or toe the line imposed by Labour? That’s a bit harsh, but expected given your support of the censorious EFA.

    Bloody good cartoon, by the way.

  12. No Santi – I’d expect them to actually be funny.

  13. Oh and while we’re pointing this sort of stuff out. I’m sure you would all like to know that is is KG ([name deleted]) of the crusader rabbit blog that is behind the consulship sale on trademe that Farrar and Whale are so excited about. I note he’s also constantly calling for a war on Islam as well as a whole lot of other bigoted and misogynistic stuff. I’m starting to think there’s only a half a dozen of these righties and their entire lives are spent promulgating their filth.

  14. The Double Standard 14

    Racism, sexism, homophobia, these are the calling cards of the Kiwiblog Right

    OK. And suggesting that people blow goats is the calling card of Teh Standard Left?

    The Dummies’ Guide to National’s wage policy

    And I must say that for such non-sexist place here, you seem to be lacking in a female presence in both authors and commentors. Why do you suppose that might be

    (At least I don’t think any of the authors here are female)

  15. Tane 15

    And once again TDS trots out a link to one example of a commenter crossing the line. He also conveniently ignores the one underneath it, where I ask the commenter in question to tone it down.

    This is blatant trolling TDS. I can’t figure out why you’re here – it’s certainly not to contribute or to debate in a reasonable manner. All you do these days is post off-topic links or repeat the same smears that have been discussed and disproven already. You’re on very thin ice.

    Oh, and we have several female authors, but they don’t advertise the fact because they know how they’d be treated by the Kiwiblog Right.

  16. Tane – I can see that you don’t like having your site’s hypocrisy pointed out.

    But hey – its your site. Ban me if it makes you feel better.

    [Tane: There is no hypocrisy, you’ve had your chance to run this line several times. You’re just trying to smear and disrupt. You are not banned but your comments are now in moderation.]

  17. ghostwhowalks 17

    So Im a “letter writer to herald” according to Whaley
    That is so funny. I wouldnt write to the Herald if my life depended on it.
    Its pain but KB is mostly it. But I seen to be a not banned but not able to post comments either.
    Just to test the the old whales stalking instincts Im actually a civil engineer

  18. Tane – Remember when you posted this:

    “Just today I found several of my comments deleted for supposedly being “off topic’, even in cases when I was directly responding to questions or accusations from other commenters.’

    ..

    “Now David Farrar owns his blog and he’s free to do what he likes with it. But if it is just a home for National Party lines where dissent and contradiction aren’t welcome then he needs to make that clear.’

    Anyway, speaking of filth, I have a car to clean.

    Have a good Friday night all. I hear that alcohol can be relaxing.

    Cap: Studd dancing – watch out for Robbo!

    [Tane: Yes, and at the time Farrar was banning people for dissenting. We don’t, in fact we encourage debate – it’s what makes a blog interesting. We will not, however, tolerate persistent disruption and trolling. That’s destructive and no fun for anyone. Enjoy your Friday night TDS.]

  19. Marknz 19

    And you don’t troll Farrar’s site Tane?

  20. Hoolian 20

    Ooh no, the Standard authors are using big words like filth and sexism. Someone must have donated them a dictionary and not a very good one at that.

    Since when is linking Clark with Castro sexist? Its not. It’s comparing the two insidious Socialist leaders, and very accurately it appears.

    This is not to say that sexism (and racism/homophobia etc) does not exist but whenever they are used in a Standard.org.nz context it reeks more of closing down free speech than it does of protecting civil liberties. I mean, seriously, Standard, your childish rambles of so-called decorum are pathetic. Its so easy to use sexism as a way of shutting people up yes, even when it has absolutely no relevance to the said comment and the Standard should advertise for night classes to teach its little ideological groupies the same tricks. Oh, what fun that would be.

    And I love the use of the term “Kiwiblog right” – it cracks me up. Its A, assuming that everyone who is right wing on Kiwiblog agrees with Farrar (which is plainly not true) and B, it places all the hatred, disgust and fear that the Left have for any opinion other than their own and slams it all together. So much easier than addressing the concerns of the opposition why not just close them down?

    But you’re all so intelligent and well-informed. I’m sure all of you could sit around and discuss politics with other people without resorting to lame-arsed outbursts where there is more spittle than sense. Well, perhaps not quite yet. Maybe when you’ve all left university and entered the real world.

    So is the Labour Party still funding the Standard? What’s that stink? Oh, it’s the Standards self-perpetuating sense of dignity. Yuck.

  21. So you guys ban pretty much any dissent now, but you blithely allow Robinsod to post after post accuse IP of being a “pig-f*cker”. Where was your high horse then? Lighten up guys!

  22. Steve Pierson 22

    Hoolian. Kiwiblog Right refers to a particular brand of nasty rightwingers that frequent Farrar’s blog, attracted their by his regular dog-whistling.

    These are the Dad4Justice’s, the Redbaiters, the Michele Cablings, etc, etc, who continually spout racist, sexist, homophobic and other disgusting remarks.

    we’ve banned them here because they destroy the chance for intelligent debate, they inevitably insult and offend other commentators, who respond in kind, until a comment thread becomes nothing more than ‘fuck you’, ‘no, fuck you’.

    Farrar encourages them and their behaviour because it results in long (albeit it empty) comment threads.

  23. Steve Pierson 23

    Inv2. There’s a fine line to be walked on moderation but like I say above, we don’t want our comment threads to be like Farrar’s.

    ‘sod has been warned on his behaviour. Unlike others, he has modified it, his language is more restrained. But its not the swearing that’s ever a problem with any commentator – its the digusting racism, sexism, and homophobia, amongst other nasty prejudices that are expressed by the Kiwiblog Right that we don’t want on the Standard.

    Take Michele for example, she hardly ever swore but hardly a comment went by without her making a disgusting remark about gays or lesbians. That’s not on in decent conversation and we won’t have it on our blog. We warned her about it for weeks, we started removing the disgusting remarks and leaving the rest but eventually even that wasn’t enough.

    As for the Pig Fucker thing: as you know, its the correct term for a type of political argument, he’s not actually accusing anyone of bestiality.

  24. r0b 24

    Hoolian, Iv2, TDS. What a team. All trying to deny a fact that’s pretty obvious to anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes reading political blogs.

    Right leaning blogs are prone to sexism, homophobia, vile language, and threats of violence. The term “Kiwiblog right” is well coined.

    Left leaning blogs can suffer from the same diseases, but in general not nearly to the same extent. Attack trolls have to scratch around to find a few examples in this blog’s history.

    The game is up people. Even the media have noticed what is obvious to all: “…you get the feeling that if the blogosphere was an ecosystem, the far-Right bloggers would be bottom feeders.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4402999a13135.html

  25. toms 25

    Whenever I see the Mr. Farrar and the rest of the Kiwiblog right indulging their powerful misogyny and objectification of women I always think of this bit of dialogue from the 1988 movie “Mississippi Burning”:

    Where does it come from, all this hatred? You know, when I was a little boy there was an old Negro farmer lived
    down the road from us, name of Monroe. And he was… Well, I guess he was just a little luckier than my daddy was.He bought himself a mule. That was a big deal around that town. My daddy hated that mule. His friends kidded him that they saw Monroe ploughin’ with his new mule and Monroe was gonna rent another field now that he had a mule.

    One morning that mule just showed up dead. They poisoned the water. After that there was never any mention about that mule around my daddy… One time we were drivin’ past Monroe’s place and we saw it was empty. He’d just packed up and left, I guess. Gone up North or somethin’. I looked over at my daddy’s face and I knew he’d done it… …He looked at me and he said “If you ain’t better than a nigger,son, who are you better than?”

  26. If the kind of stuff Cameron posted went mainstream National would lose swing voters.

  27. Pacman 27

    I did not see it as sexist or filth. Put it in context – Fidel Castro is finally out of power that he had been desparately clinging to for too long. This opens an opportunity for change.

    The cartoonist links HC as someone who has Castro’s traits – clinging to power, reputation for controlling rule, will not be ousted…

    Where is the sexism?

  28. I think you guys are missing the point with regard to the cartoon.
    In Helen Clark we have had the first political science graduate to ever become PM in NZ. And it has shown up in her slick handling of her party, the media and by definition the opinions of the NZ public. Until the 2005 election she was peerless. The media called her teflon and she was.
    Although I disagree with her on almost everything she has done in the 19 years I have lived in NZ I cannot offer anything but praise for the way she has managed.
    This ended after 2005 and we have seen a slow decline in her powers. The fumbling and stumbling by herself and those around her has got steadily worse.
    This cartoon to me was trying to compare the tiredness of two leaders, showing it is time to go.
    The pathetic sight of her skulking around trying to avoid being in Camera shot with a man who saved her party and has donated an enormous sum so her husband can have a nice view from his office window IS A NEW LOW. Similar to the Waitangi skulking we now have somebody who seems to be descending into paranoia as her last term winds down.

  29. r0b 29

    The cartoonist links HC as someone who has Castro’s traits – clinging to power, reputation for controlling rule, will not be ousted

    “Clinging to power” – what does that even mean Pacman? HC is Prime Minister in a government that is serving a three year term. At the end of the year there will be an election. How is that clinging to anything exactly? “Clinging to power” is just another mindless catch phrase.

    Where is the sexism?

    HC has been attacked in the most vile terms possible by the Kiwiblog Right, as ugly, a lesbian, masculine, childless, and all the rest. This cartoon directly dog-whistles all of that sexism. If you can’t see it Pacman, you’re part of the problem.

  30. Dan 30

    The sadness of all the right wing diatribe against Clark is that they do not know the lady. She is a charmer, an intellect with the common touch. I have seen her work a room of Tory-leaning middle of the road NZers and they have come away completely won over. She does not suffer fools however, which I guess some on the right may get defensive about.
    The best thing Mike Williams and the election planners can do is get Clark to meet as many as possible over the next months. I am confident that once the Emperor’s new clothes show Key to be the hollow-man he is, then Clark is going win her fourth, well deserved term in office. When so much has been made of the courage tied up in our war medals just returned, historians will look on the Clark years as cautious but pragmatic, centrist rather than left-wing and overall courageous in fighting the neocon lobbyists and the boys’ club.

  31. Santi 31

    “their powerful misogyny and objectification of women..”

    What a load of crap! If you’re a feminist say so, but spare me the pain of reading ridiculous lines like those above.

    Are you Germaine Greer in drag maybe?

    IrishBill says: If I was going to be a feminist in “drag” I reckon I’d be Andrea Dworkin.

  32. The “fat, lazy, pommy, leftist slag’, will be publishing an apology toorrow to JB and SF in the same column she slagged them off in. I’m told that the settlement includes that they publish the apology online.

    Bet you don’t link to it.

    Oh and Robinsod, if you are going to go trying to name people and the lister of the auction perhaps you should learn to drive Trademe a little better so you don’t make a…..oh wait..too late.

  33. MikeE 33

    You guys need to learn to Tardme. If you clicked on the user profile you’d know who it was that set up the Auction.

    Growing a sense of humour might help to.

  34. toms 34

    MikeE, Whaleoil and Santi – the holy trinity of people who would have hated a nigger for owning a mule.

    [lprent: That comment is well over the edge. I won’t delete it as it has been referenced elsewhere. You just hit the edge of my tolerance. Not bad considering it is the first time I have seen you – moderation.]

  35. r0b 35

    Santi and Whale, folks. The Kiwiblog Right in their own words.

  36. Ruth 36

    Robinsod: I’m sure you would all like to know that is is KG ([name deleted]) of the crusader rabbit blog that is behind the consulship sale on trademe that Farrar and Whale are so excited about. I note he’s also constantly calling for a war on Islam as well as a whole lot of other bigoted and misogynistic stuff. I’m starting to think there’s only a half a dozen of these righties and their entire lives are spent promulgating their filth.

    I complained to google about his hate site last year, when he actually called for the murder of ‘lefties’ and political opponents.

    I would dearly love for him to be held accountable for his hate speech. Anything I can do, feel free to contact me.

  37. r0b 37

    You guys need to learn to Tardme

    I don’t usually do spelling pings, but that one was cute. I think the job is done already!

  38. Ex Labour Voter 38

    Is this really all you pinkos have got? Banning people right, right, and slightly to the right of centre, while allowing people who suggest gang-banging other commenters’ wives to remain?

    This post is ridiculous. That’s like saying the Labour Party hates Maoris and Islanders because they booted out John Tamihere and Phillip Field.

  39. Ex Labour Voter 39

    Oh, and Bill, do you think you could pop into the next room and ask Andrew when he’s going to make a bid for the Labour leadership? That would be a great story, now that Helen’s premiership is falling down around her ears.

  40. r0b 40

    ELV / Prophet, see above

    Filth

  41. Labour doesn’t hate Maori, they just think they have no meaning.
    Culen intoned sagely in the house the following;

    “…what one might call, indigenous peoples—a term, of course, that has no meaning…”

    That is an appalling statement to make, especially from a party with such a long heritage of working with Maori.

    Oh and TomS you sanctimonious twit, I am NOT a racist. That would be a little hard coming from a family as diverse as mine where I was born in Fiji, married a Lebanese, my brother married a Filipina, my sister married a Rarotongan.

  42. r0b 42

    Whale you pathetic little man. Cullen’s full quote is: “what one might call, indigenous peoples—a term, of course, that has no meaning in a country, say, like the United Kingdom.”

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/QOA/f/0/f/48HansQ_20080221_00000681-11-Terrorism-Suppression-Act-Government.htm

    Folks, this is the typical debating tactics of the Kiwiblog Right.

  43. Much like the big beat up you lot tried to make out of john key being misquoted in kerikeri. At a meeting that I and many others attended. There was much debate at the golf club today (not much play, pissing down up here) about the numpty from the bay report who got it so completely wrong.
    And Cullens comments are bizarre in the extreme. Can white people not be indigenous?
    He is, I am and many millions of other white people who hail from Britain are indigenous english, scots or welsh.

  44. Ex Labour Voter 44

    And r0b, if the Standard were ever notable enough to have an expression named after it–which it won’t be–then toms would be typical of the Standard Left.

    Gotta love this: “MikeE, Whaleoil and Santi – the holy trinity of people who would have hated a nigger for owning a mule.”

    That is one of the most vile, filthy things I’ve read on this site. The Standard is up in arms because a cartoonist compared Helen Clark to Fidel Castro. Yet Toms gets away, in the very same post, with such disgraceful racism.

    Of course, such vile behaviour is perfectly acceptable if it’s from one of the Standard’s friends. In Tane’s mind, Toms isn’t a troll. He’s expressing a valid opinion. When nih and Robinsod advocate gang-banging another commenter’s wife, Tane says their behaviour is acceptable.

    How many people have you guys banned so far? None of them have been pinkos, right?

    [lprent: I’m unhappy about that comment as well. I’ve put toms into moderation.]

  45. oldhippy 45

    HC has been attacked in the most vile terms possible by the Kiwiblog Right, as ugly, a lesbian, masculine, childless, and all the rest. This cartoon directly dog-whistles all of that sexism.

    What a load of old nonsense. It’s a caricature of Clark as Castro, nothing more. Sometimes a cigar etc. Cartoonists, bless ’em, are not required to make their subject as pretty as possible. You guys (and I use that term in a gender-inclusive way) are trying so hard to be right-on you’ve lost all sense of perspective. Save your outrage for something that matters.

  46. outofbed 46

    HC has been attacked in the most vile terms possible by the Kiwiblog Right, as ugly, a lesbian, masculine, childless, and all the rest

    What part of that statement is nonsense? she has been attacked using all those terms by the kiwiblog right
    I for one am outraged and so should any decent person

  47. r0b 47

    That is one of the most vile, filthy things I’ve read on this site.

    Oh ELV, I do love it when you do faux outrage.

    Once more from the mainstream media: ” you get the feeling that if the blogosphere was an ecosystem, the far-Right bloggers would be bottom feeders.’

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4402999a13135.html

  48. r0b 48

    Save your outrage for something that matters.

    That’s not bad advice oldhippy. So what outrages you these days?

  49. dave 49

    Is this really all you pinkos have got? Banning people right, right, and slightly to the right of centre, while allowing people who suggest gang-banging other commenters’ wives to remain?
    Hey, Im banned – I’m slightly to the left of centre…..
    [lprent: yes you are banned. Moderation – you can e-mail me if you want access.]

  50. Gone By 2009 50

    Fuck you guys [deleted].

    [lprent: goodbye dave]

  51. lemsip 51

    Emerson has leaned to the left but this cartoon is not sexiest. Poor form Irishbill.

  52. lemsip 52

    I can’t tell my left from my right tonight. Left=right.

  53. Dean 53

    Well, Irish, I’m lead to believe (and it could be quite incorrect but I seem to recall it caused quite a stir) that you called Craig an “Uncle Tom”.

    If it’s true then I don’t think your horse is all that high now, is it?

  54. Dean 54

    “Whale you pathetic little man.”

    I don’t think a truer word has been spoken in a long time. It amazes me he thought he’d actually get away without the full quote being known by other people.

    Whaleoil, you seriously need a dose of reality.

  55. Rich Prick 55

    The “organ” of Labour, banning dissenters and deleting comments so the rest of us don’t get the chance to form our own views on their comments, how very EFA.

    IrishBill says: I’ve seen Robinsod’s analysis of you RP (despite his invective he’s very good at tracking and keeps very thorough records) and I have to agree that you are PDQ. Given that I would suggest that the fact you have threatened to suffocate other posters pretty much discounts your moral high ground.

  56. lprent 56

    Sorry about the inadvertent moderation, Dean. Hopefully I’ll get that fixed this weekend.

  57. lprent 57

    RP: dave was asked nicely to take time off. Now he has little choice.

    You disapprove of a sysop controlling his site? Seems to violate your concepts of property.

    dave or whatever his alias now, spread 4 comments over as many posts in a couple of minutes. Would you describe that as anything other than trolling?

  58. dave 58

    IPrent

    this is my last comment. For the record I am not posting under any other name, I have no other alias nor do I spread 4 comments over this site in a matter of minutes. I am not “gone by 2009”, neither do I post bad language on your site.

    See you after my weeks ban.

    [lprent: my apologies if it wasn’t you.
    You will understand my suspicions when I tell you that it was 1 digit different at the B level IP address from your previous comments.
    In any case, whoever it was, it was trolling – 4 comments in 4 posts with a classic attack profile (not bad language).
    I’ll see you in a week.]

  59. Rich Prick 59

    Yes, you have a valid point, it is your cess pit afterall, let or bar whom ever you choose to deposit their burst their nappies here, its your choice. The rest of us will judge this “organ” of the Labour Party by the censorship that happens, or moreover, that which does not happen – and I think you know which rabid offensive unionist to which I refer.

    IrishBill says: I would suggest that the fact you have threatened to suffocate other posters (see earlier comment) pretty much discounts your moral high ground.

  60. lprent 60

    RP: Just to clarify…

    Yes, but as a political blog, debate and dissent is encouraged. That sometimes looks a cesspool (even to me). Provided it doesn’t deteriorate to a flame war, I don’t constrain it. Heated exchanges are ok, provided they don’t get out of hand.

    I mainly look at behavior, mainly trolling behavior, but also people violating time off bans. I also get concerned when I see attacks on people who are not participants or in public life (ie civilians).

    If I see a comment (or post) that I feel is past the bounds, then I’ll take what I consider is the appropriate recourse. My solutions are usually a bit more draconian than the moderators.

    The moderators are given considerable latitude, and I will back their decisions. Challenging those decisions is subject to discourse between the moderators themselves. Comments on their decisions are accepted on the site, but not challenges.

    Personally, my wish is not to get involved. But I will, if it is required. As the bean or the sprout has previously noted, I lack the sense of humor required to participate.

    Lynn

  61. Santi 61

    “Santi and Whale, folks. The Kiwiblog Right in their own words.”

    Not for long at the pace lprent is working banning people left, right and centre, although his last comment gives some cause for hope.

    Kiwiblog right? Your label, not mine. I couldn’t care less about kiwiblog.

    The fact is some lefties here are so PC that cannot neither tolerate nor accept comments beyond their limited grasp.

    Personally, I don’t give a toss and am proud to be politically incorrect. Will continue calling it as I see it.

  62. lemsip 63

    Fairfax Media-Nielsen anyone?

    http://stuff.co.nz/4411820a10.html

  63. Billy 64

    The cartoon can only be considered offensive if one considers Castro to be a monster. Tane’s recent comment that his legacy was “mixed” (“he will be remembered by the poor for providing them with education, health and a level of dignity they could not have otherwise expected..”) tends to suggest that he, at least, doesn’t think Castro’s all bad.

    The cartoon’s not that funny, but I would have thought it offensive only to the highly easily offended.

    Comparing Margaret Wilson to the Wicked Witch of the West is hardly more offensive than calling someone, I don’t know, a chinless scarf wearer. Or a “little prick”. http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1205#comment-19732

  64. Billy 65

    How come I’m in moderation?

    [I’m not sure Billy, may be the D4J moderation trap. I’ll ask the others.]

  65. Billy 66

    Never been caught in it before.

  66. Two rogue polls in the space of 24 hours……hmmmmmmmm

    PS Captcha = incumbent injured – more like motalyy wounded I would have thought – have a nice day (-:

  67. Whoops – should read “mortally wounded” – fingers haven’t caught up with brain yet – caffeine fix needed!!

  68. Billy 69

    Interesting, isn’t it R0b. This flocking to National can really only be anti-Labour, rather than pro-National. To my eyes, Key has looked pretty ineffectual, yet Labour continues to sink like a stone.

    I think people have been turned off by the style stuff. The arrogant Muldoon-like way Clark talks to people. Cullen’s smarmy smugness. Trev. DPB. TPF.

  69. toms 70

    *Sigh* Some people clearly struggle with the idea of a parable. To explain, I trying to say that the hatred for Helen Clark is from the same well spring of inferiority as the hatred of the black man who owned the mule – change negro for women and a mule for success and I’ll paraphrase:

    “If you ain’t better than a woman, son, who are you better than?’

  70. rOb – when I talked about rogue polls, tongue was firmly pressed against cheek. I was merely pondering the PM’s likely response to Paul Henry & Paul Holmes on Monday

  71. r0b 72

    Two rogue polls in the space of 24 hours hmmmmmmmm

    They’re probably not rogue polls Iv2, they probably reflect a substantial majority of support for National.

    The electoral pendulum swings. One day Labour will lose an election, maybe even the next election. And maybe not.

    But win or lose, one thing won’t change. Labour has the policies that are better for NZ and better for 95% of Kiwis.

  72. Santi 73

    toms, you’re so sanctimonious to the point of being boring.
    You are so touchy on racial and gender issues that I firmly believe yours to be a bogus outrage.

    No surprise: the left-wingers of today are so pathetic.

  73. r0b 74

    Interesting, isn’t it R0b. This flocking to National can really only be anti-Labour, rather than pro-National.

    It’s really hard to tell, because one’s perceptions are always clouded by one’s own opinions, but I think that’s largely true.

    To my eyes, Key has looked pretty ineffectual, yet Labour continues to sink like a stone.

    In terms of substance Key is absolutely ineffectual, but clearly for large numbers of voters (at this stage of the electoral cycle, which is an important qualification) it isn’t about substance.

    I think people have been turned off by the style stuff.

    I agree. And I think it’s a pity that elections are largely decided on style, but there it is. The media bandwagon has a large part to play in this. Why are there so few pieces like this?:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/politics/2008/02/22/time-to-tell-us-about-your-donors-national

    Anyway, I’ve said before, and I’ll say again, that I don’t get too excited about polls. Their sampling methods seem increasingly irrelevant (polls for the 2005 election were hugely contradictory), they don’t include information from the roughly 70% who refuse to participate, they can’t tell us whether support is hard or soft, they don’t allow for the fact that many voters make up their minds in the last week. There’s a good piece on the complexities of polling here:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10347022

    All that being said, of course, I would much rather that Labour was ahead than National, but for now they aren’t, so there it is. Whatever the polls, Labour have the best policies for NZ, and I for one will be working and voting for the policies.

    But for now, time to mow the lawns.

  74. Ray 75

    Toms, who on another blog cliams to be a Labour Party worker says (I have changed this as it is offensive)

    “MikeE, Whaleoil and Santi – the holy trinity of people who would have hated a poor person for owning a mule”
    While in the real world his socalist party would rather the mule was owned by the government and we all know how that ends
    Hint look at Russia or Cuba
    Strikes me that the right would like to encourage the pp to own their on mules, not the other way round

  75. AncientGeek 76

    Ray:

    Toms, who on another blog cliams to be a Labour Party worker…

    There is a considerable difference between a volunteer and a paid worker. I’ve been a volunteer working for the labour party for over 30 years. It is a very large group, measured in thousands. That in itself is a subset of the membership of the NZLP, and includes people who aren’t even members.

    On the other hand, I believe that the number of paid workers for the NZLP are probably less than 20.

    Volunteers for any organization hold an incredibly wide range of views. So what you are attempting to ascribe is the view of a single volunteer to an entire party or movement.

    I could as easily use that same argument to say that Whale’s habit of photoshopping peoples heads on to pornographic images, is habit of pornographic tendencies shared by all of the right. Perhaps that is true, perhaps it isn’t.

    The short version of that is that generalising from a single data point demonstrates a very high level of stupidity by you.

  76. Ray 77

    Toms didn’t claim to be a volunteer he claimed to be a worker. There is nothing wrong with that in fact he is to be commended as it is to easy to sit on the sidelines
    Presumably he is a socalist and so it follows mule ownership etc etc
    captcha You Kirksey
    Big Norman must be spinning in his grave, in fact I will pop down and see after tea

  77. Ag 78

    Is anyone surprised? Cartoons like this are the stock in trade of authoritarians. When I last followed NZ politics online there was a guy called Redbaiter who used to pull this stuff all the time.

    How anyone could compare a social democrat to Fidel is beyond me. Fidel would be outraged at being compared to a bourgeois politician like Clark, as would any communist.

  78. John 79

    Well siad Ag. Suspect Fidel won’t be outraged must longer as he hasn’t got much time left

  79. that cartoon is impressively low, even by the Herald’s ‘standards’ – and very Kiwiblog Right.
    perhaps tds is Tim Murphy?

  80. Santi 81

    “Fidel would be outraged at being compared to a bourgeois politician like Clark, as would any communist.”

    100% right. As outraged as her supporters at The Standard who cried: Filth.

    I can conclude the tireless editors here are communists.

  81. Matthew Pilott 82

    Santi fails Philosophy 101 again!

    All A’s are B’s, but it does not follow that all B’s are A’s.

    C’mon buddy, if a spotty 17 year-old can get that, surely you can too?

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    2 weeks ago

  • Pacific Peoples Minister to attend Our Ocean Conference in Norway
    Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio, heads to Oslo today to represent New Zealand at the sixth Our Ocean Conference, which is being hosted by the Norwegian Government from the 23-24 October. “The Our Ocean Conference mobilises real action on issues like marine plastic pollution and the impacts of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago
  • Government announces 27 percent increase in Trades Academy places
    Two secondary-school initiatives are being expanded as part of the Government’s plan to see more young New Zealanders take up a trade to help close the skills gap.   This includes the largest single increase in Trades Academy places in recent years. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Education Minister Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • Methane reducing cattle feed one step closer
    The Government today announced its support for a project that could substantially reduce agricultural greenhouse gas emissions from cattle. The announcement was made as part of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor’s visit to Nelson’s Cawthron Aquaculture Park. The Cawthron Institute will receive $100,000 from the Government’s ...
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    4 days ago
  • Bill to refresh superannuation system passes first reading
    Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni has welcomed the first reading of the New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension Legislation Amendment Bill. “Every New Zealander has a stake in New Zealand Superannuation and Veteran’s Pension,” says Carmel Sepuloni. “They are our most common form of social assistance – nearly 800,000 New ...
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    4 days ago
  • Government announces next steps in fight against measles
    Babies in Auckland aged six months and over can receive a free vaccination and children will all have access to vaccines, Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter announced today at Papatoetoe High School.   The move comes as part of Government efforts to step up the fight against measles. ...
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    4 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs, Pacific Futures: Connections, Identity...
    ***Check against delivery*** Good morning. It is a pleasure to be here, and to have the honour of opening this important conference on behalf of the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs. Let us take the opportunity to acknowledge all the people who have helped make today possible, including our special ...
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    4 days ago
  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
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    4 days ago
  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
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    4 days ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
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    4 days ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
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    5 days ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
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    5 days ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
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    5 days ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
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    5 days ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
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    5 days ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
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    5 days ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
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    5 days ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
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    5 days ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
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    6 days ago
  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
    Kiwis are benefiting from higher wage growth and low inflation under the Coalition Government. Stats NZ data out today shows the rise in the cost of living remains low, as annual Consumers Price Index (CPI) inflation fell to 1.5% in September from 1.7% in June. “The low inflation comes as ...
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    6 days ago
  • NZ economy strong amid global headwinds
    New Zealand’s economic strength and resilience has been recognised in a major update on the state of the global economy. The IMF’s latest World Economic Outlook released overnight shows a reduced global growth forecast over the next two years as issues like the US-China trade war and Brexit take hold. ...
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    6 days ago
  • Keeping New Zealanders safer with better counter-terrorism laws
    Justice Minister Andrew Little has today introduced a new Bill to prevent terrorism and support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill gives the New Zealand Police the ability to apply to the High Court to impose control orders on New Zealanders who ...
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    6 days ago
  • Improved succession and dispute resolution core of Ture Whenua changes
    A Bill that proposes targeted changes to simplify the processes for Māori land owners when engaging with the Māori Land Court has had its First Reading today. “The approach taken by the Government is to ensure that the protection of Māori land remains a priority as we seek to improve ...
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    6 days ago
  • Speech to CTU Biennial Conference
    Let me first thank all the new unionists and members in the room. There is nothing more important to improving people’s working lives than people making the decision to care, to get on board and help, to take up the reins and get involved. Congratulations to you. You bring the ...
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    6 days ago
  • Minister ensures continued Whenuapai flight operations
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark has signed a certificate exempting the activity of engine testing at Whenuapai Airbase from the Resource Management Act 1991. The Act gives the Minister of Defence the power to exempt activities for the purposes of national security.  The certificate will mean the recent Environment Court ...
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    6 days ago
  • NZ joins Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced New Zealand will join the Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action while attending APEC meetings in Chile. The objective of the 39 member Coalition is to share information and promote action to tackle climate change. It was formed in April this year, in ...
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    6 days ago
  • Feedback Sought – Section 71 – Lyttelton Parking
    Feedback sought– Lyttelton commercial zone parking  The Associate Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration, Poto Williams, is seeking feedback on a proposal to remove on-site car parking requirements for new developments in the Lyttelton commercial zone.  The proposal, by Christchurch City Council, asks that powers under section 71 of the Greater ...
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    7 days ago
  • Feedback Sought – Section 71 – Hagley Oval
    Hon Minister Poto Williams Associate Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration   MEDIA STATEMENT       Tuesday 15 October 2019 Feedback sought – Hagley Oval The Associate Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration, Poto Williams, is seeking feedback on a proposal about Hagley Oval. The proposal was developed by Regenerate Christchurch ...
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    7 days ago
  • CTU speech – DPM
    Ladies and gentlemen, NZCTU President Richard Wagstaff, members of respective unions – thank you for the invitation to speak to you today. This might be preaching to the choir, but the importance of trade unions in New Zealand’s historical arch is difficult to understate. And it is my belief that ...
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    7 days ago
  • Police Association Annual Conference
    "Let’s start by acknowledging that it has been a huge year. " Police Association Annual Conference James Cook Grand Chancellor Hotel Wellington Nau mai, haere mai. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, ka nui te mihi, ki a koutou katoa. President of the Police Association, Chris Cahill; Members of the Association and ...
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    7 days ago
  • New Zealand announces a further P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark have announced the New Zealand Government’s decision to again deploy a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea. New ...
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    7 days ago
  • New Zealand deeply concerned at developments in north-east Syria
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says New Zealand continues to have serious concerns for peace and stability in north-east Syria. “Recent reports that hundreds of ISIS-affiliated families have fled from a camp are deeply concerning from a humanitarian and security perspective”, Mr Peters says. “While we acknowledge Turkey’s domestic security ...
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    7 days ago
  • Government on high alert for stink bugs
    Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor is warning travelling Kiwis to be vigilant as the high-season for the crop-eating brown marmorated stink bug (BMSB) is under way. “We’re on high alert to stop BMSB arriving in NZ. The high season runs until April 30 and we’ve strengthened our measures to stop stink ...
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    7 days ago
  • Better protections for students in halls of residence
    The Government is moving swiftly to change the law to improve the welfare and pastoral care of students living in university halls of residence and other tertiary hostels. Cabinet has agreed to several changes, including creating a new mandatory Code of Practice that sets out the duty of pastoral care ...
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    1 week ago
  • New trapping guide for community and expert trappers alike
    The Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage has launched a new comprehensive trapping guide for community trappers to help them protect our native birds, plants and other wildlife, at Zealandia in Wellington today. ‘A practical guide to trapping’, has been developed by the Department of Conservation (DOC), and was launched during ...
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    1 week ago
  • Widening Access to Contraceptives Welcomed
    Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter welcomes PHARMAC’s move to improve access to long-acting reversible contraception (LARCs). PHARMAC has today announced it will fund the full cost of Mirena and Jaydess for anyone seeking long term contraception, lifting previous restrictions on access to Mirena. “I welcome women having greater choices ...
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    1 week ago
  • Major upgrade for Taranaki Base Hospital
    The Government has approved the next stage of a major redevelopment of Taranaki Base Hospital, which will deliver new and improved facilities for patients. Health Minister Dr David Clark has announced details of a $300 million dollar project to build a new East Wing at the New Plymouth hospital. It ...
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    1 week ago
  • Extra support for rural families
    Extra funding will allow Rural Support Trusts to help farming families, says Minister for Rural Communities and Agriculture Damien O’Connor. “I know that rural families are worried about some of the challenges facing them, including the ongoing uncertainty created by the Mycoplasma bovis outbreak. “Those concerns sit alongside ongoing worries ...
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    1 week ago
  • Howard Leaque Beekeeper programme graduation
    Thank you for the opportunity to be here to present certificates to the 16 graduates who have completed a beekeeping course delivered by the Howard League.  Let us start by acknowledging Auckland Prison’s Deputy Prison Director Tom Sherlock, and Acting Assistant Regional Commissioner of Corrections Northern Region Scott Walker - ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Finance Minister to attend APEC meetings
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson leaves this weekend to attend the APEC Finance Ministers meeting in Santiago, Chile. Discussions between APEC Finance Ministers at the meeting will include the effects of the current global economic uncertainty, risks for APEC economies and sustainable development of the region. While at APEC Grant Robertson ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Pacific languages are a source of strength, they ground us and build confidence
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio says for Pacific people, language can be a source of strength. It can help ground us and give us confidence. When we speak them, our languages provide us with an immediate and intimate access to our identity and our story - and ...
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    2 weeks ago