Tail-spin

Written By: - Date published: 11:12 am, February 23rd, 2008 - 71 comments
Categories: john key, national, spin - Tags: , ,

While National is trying to pretend John Key’s quote that “we would love to see wages drop” is a non-issue, behind the scenes they’re floundering.

We’ve all heard the multiple and conflicting denials (“I can’t recall”, “I never said it”, “I was misquoted”, “I was talking about Australian wages”), and now thanks to a lazy cut-and-paste job from one National MP in response to our survey we’ve managed to get ahold of the party’s internal lines on the issue. Note how this National MP is talking in the first person as if he is John Key.

The lines show a party that has gone into damage control. This is one story they’re desperate to shut down.

National wants to raise wages in New Zealand, because that is the path to a more prosperous society and one that can afford decent services.

I repeatedly refer to our concerns about the increasing income gap between New Zealand and Australia, because we are falling further and further behind.

Michael Cullen and Labour’s allies are showing how desperate they are by putting out these distortions. In regard to the actual quote in the article, I was referring to wages in Australia dropping. The preceding paragraphs make clear I was talking about how Australia is luring New Zealanders through attractive wage compensation.

Labour and its allies fail to mention that, nor the quote which reads: “The way we want to see wages increase is because productivity is greater. So people can afford more.”

You might want to keep an eye on these because they’re likely to be popping up verbatim all over the place.

So anyway, let’s get this straight: it’s almost two months since the article came out and almost a week since the story broke and these are the best lines they can come up with? If I was John I’d be asking Crosby Textor for my money back.

Hat tip: Shane Ardern

71 comments on “Tail-spin”

  1. burt 1

    Tail spin

    When I say the title of this post I though ‘Wow – the standard are being honest about the latest opinion poll’. But no… it’s just a continuation of the same attack with no substance stuff, probably the same attack with no substance stuff that is helping the tail spin for Labour in the polls.

    Keep it up guys, I do wonder if it’s just a coincidence that Labour’s poll results have plummeted since you guys started showing the world just how venal and out of touch with reality myopic Labour supporters are.

    There is a great letter to the editor in todays Dom-Post. “Labour – ‘do as I say’ party” – You guys should read it.

  2. Concerned from Tawa 2

    The only people floundering behind the scenes are Labour and you guys (well they’re the one and the same…) You can spin all you like on Key, but no one is listening. That this inexperienced stumbling guy can leave Clark and Labour so low in the polls is a testimony to how utterly fed up NZ now is with this government. As for “The lines show a party that has gone into damage control. This is one story they’re desperate to shut down.” You can’t be seriously talking about National and Key. Clark, Owen and the cash-for-honours farce? Tail spin indeed. Captcha: sore establish

  3. Wayne 3

    I find it interesting National’s had to resort to so many different lines if there’s nothing to this story. There will be plenty going on behind the scense, I’ll bet you that much. This story is just beginning.

  4. burt 4

    Wayne

    The “so many different lines” angle is one that should not be touted about too loudly by the left. How many different stories did we hear about Benson-Pope and Setchell (sp?), how many different lines have we heard about Owen Glenn and his big money influence on the Labour party… (the list goes on – shall I continue?)

    By running with the “different stories = lies” angle you are simply reminding people that Labour are up to their eye balls in a real scandal while this made up and out of context fiasco of BS is a non starter.

    Only a complete idiot would believe that Key wants wages to fall in NZ, how many times has he said higher wages (and lower taxes) are luring people to Aussie ?

  5. Nice try fellas, but the BIG news today is the widening gap between National and Labour. Sheesh, even Tracey Watkins thinks it’s a bridge too far for the PM.

  6. Let’s get this really straight: it’s almost two weeks since the Glenn scandal came out and almost a week since the story broke big time in the MSM and this is the best smear against John Key you can come up with? If I was Helen I’d be asking all_your_base and H2 to resign.

  7. Chemist Peter 7

    53% is real floundering ah!
    The internal mood in Liarbor must be grim at present , more so than the nats.

  8. burt 8

    Whaleoil

    You are such a funny guy, Helen Clark asking people to resign… ha ha ha.

    You know as well as anyone that she will tell the public to move on a million times before she enforces any accountability on her own team. (Can we still call the Labour party a team ?)

  9. Robinsod 9

    Hey Whale you never explained why your company went into liquidation or whether Davey is running Curia out of National party HQ – care to comment now?

  10. James Kearney 10

    Whale- it’s not a smear if it’s true. Are you still photoshopping the faces of schoolchildren onto gay porn?

  11. sweetd 11

    poor form lads, play the ball not the man

  12. Nick C 12

    The desperation is definatly showing. The silence on this blog about the whole Owen Glenn saga and the latest poll results is defining, and this is the best they can come up with?!? What a joke, no one actually cares about those comments and Labour is going down in 2008.

  13. sweetd 13

    also, why do my comments get held for moderation? Am I caught up in your D4J drift net?

    [lprent: I’m afraid so. working on it]

  14. Tane 14

    Nick there have been two articles on the Owen Glenn beatup:

    Bursting the bauble

    Owen Glenn

    So that’s silence accusation dealt with.

    We will be covering the polls at some stage, but it’s the weekend so it might take a while. We do this in our spare time and on a voluntary basis, so you look a bit shrill to be demanding we post on everything straight away, and in a quantity you’re happy with.

  15. Tane 15

    I don’t see any attacking the man sweetd, Steve’s just exposing National’s internal lines on this issue and giving his interpretation of what it means.

  16. “We do this in our spare time and on a voluntary basis, so you look a bit shrill to be demanding we post on everything straight away, and in a quantity you’re happy with.”

    Oh go on pull the other on. Yes two posts on the supposed beat-up and 4 million posts on John Key. Sheesh you guys need to see a doctor about a classic case of KDS.

  17. Tane 17

    Yeah, we’re a blog written by people dedicated to advancing the wider labour movement. Why wouldn’t there be quite a few posts critiquing National and Key? Look at any right-wing blog and you’ll see the same volume of posts critiquing Labour and Clark, only with more bigotry and sexism.

    Now take a look at your own site Whale – what’s with those pictures of Helen Clark photoshopped onto a topless woman and suckling Winston Peters and Peter Dunne? Now there’s a sick obsession if ever I saw one…

  18. An entirely accurate satirical portrayal of the current government support arrangements. Not unlike the arrangement between Poland and Angela Merkel from where I obtained the idea.

  19. Ex Labour Voter 19

    This is preposterous. Tail-spin? Name five media outlets that have covered this story since the Standard and the left-wing blogs have been lying in unison over it in the last week.

    Have some perspective, Steve. 23 points ahead in the polls, in polls that haven’t yet included this most disastrous week for Labour, and you’re saying the Nats are in tailspin? Crikey.

    This line isn’t working, Steve. Try harder. Nobody’s listening to your silliness anymore. You’re so amusingly desperate. What next from the Standard? “I saw a National MP have bacon with his eggs at breakfast last week. It’s no wonder Muslims and Jews don’t vote for National, with that kind of callous bigotry. There goes the Muslim and Jewish votes.”

    Just because it’s all that the Standard can talk about doesn’t make it an issue.

  20. Your comment that nationals action look like a party in damage control are a joke surely?
    As I am the only person to comment on here that A. Lives in kerikeri. And B actually went to the Key presentation I will add my two pennorth.
    It was never said, he was warmly received despite the fact he said bugger all. Not hard really, we are starved of visits by pollies up here unless you count Clark coming to the opening of envelopes or various labour people visiting Kaeo promising to help. Which of course they have not done as evidenced by the fact that Kaeo is flooded again today.
    I fully understand that you guys need to keep on message but you might be better employed beseeching your boss Andrew Little to get into parliament promptly. If ever labour needed fresh blood now is the day.
    Just a brief look at todays papers is enough to make a labour supporter shit blood. I might actually buy the Sunday papers this week to see what the socialist star times does to try and pull some back.
    And it can only get better this week, bauble boy returns from his african sojourn, Dail Jones the rabid homophobe (doesn’t MMP make strange bedfellows?) must be shitting himself, Winnie of course will screech that it is all the fault of the media.

  21. Santi 21

    “This is one story they’re desperate to shut down.”

    I’m sure you are talking about the latest opinion polls, aren’t you? Nothing less from the loyal minions at The Standard.

  22. James Kearney 22

    This story’s still in its early days Barnsley. Just wait and see. I doubt National would be scrambling for lines like this if they weren’t worried.

  23. Hey Bill – I think it was on bfm that Key said he made the comment during an interview in a cafe which he and the head of the KDBA attended. For something that’s a non-story you seem to be pretty keen to comment.

  24. Santi 24

    “..we’re a blog written by people dedicated to advancing the wider labour movement.”

    Tane, when will you openly disclose your socialist partisanship? Nothing wrong with that, but at least have the decency of saying it.

  25. James, there is no story. There never was. What you have is a part time reporter for a 12 page advertising feature writing there notes down incorrectly. You guys are clutching at non existent straws.
    The simple fact is that labour are mortally wounded, up until xmas i believed that she could still turn things around. Not now, not ever. The lies, stealing and secret deals have caught up with Clark and co.
    They will be trading the white wash in for paper shredders by June.
    There is now no chance that they will roll her prior to the election but you can put your last fiver on Goff being the leader of the oppoaition by xmas.

  26. outofbed 26

    Have some perspective, Steve. 23 points ahead in the polls,

    Some perspective then
    Labour are about 7% down on there 2005 election night result
    The greens are slightly up
    The Nats haven’t discussed policy yet
    I would expect Labour to come within a couple of percent of its election night result.
    So labour support will probably be hold up to its almost its previous levels

    That’s not saying that The Nats won’t be the biggest party, they almost definitely will, however that won’t necessarily transform to gaining the Gov benches

  27. outofbed 27

    bloody tags

  28. DS 28

    “This story’s still in its early days Barnsley. Just wait and see. I doubt National would be scrambling for lines like this if they weren’t worried.”

    Exactly. National (helped, of course, by a media that seems to have taken neutrality lessons from Fox News) has been desperately trying to promote itself as being totally benign. A sort of loveable political clown as it were. It’s moments like Key’s wage comments (on top of his earlier screw-up on doctor’s fees) that reveal that the “loveable clown” is really John Wayne Gacey.

  29. Spectator 29

    Barnsley: “there is no story. There never was.”

    Keep on telling yourself that, and you may even begin believing it yourself. You’ll have a much harder road trying to get anyone else to believe it, though. “We would love to see wages drop” is a smoking gun on a par with Don Brash being caught lying about being in collusion with the Exclusive Brethren a matter of days before the last election.

  30. Spectator, I think you are dreaming the impossible dream. This is a non story, being promulgated by people (that would be you) who are so desperate that they will cling to any straw no matter how flimsy.

  31. Adolf Fiinkensein 31

    Phukt, I say,phukt. Try the Hussein remedy. Skulk in a dungeon until your necks are stretched and hope your heads don’t pop off for the video cameras.

  32. why was my last comment deleted?

  33. Billy 33

    Hey, Spectator. I think you are on to a massive consiracy. Remember when Key said he wanted to be the next Labour Party Prime Minister? He obviously meant that too.

  34. Tim 34

    The current magnitude of the story is irrelevant, but workers have the right to know what National’s policy on industrial relations is. National clearly has no concrete plan to increase wages. It does not care about workers.

    “The way we want to see wages increase is because productivity is greater. So people can afford more” (sic) So that’s it? That doesn’t even make sense. People can’t “afford more” because of productivity, it just means that the output of a worker per unit worked increases. Unless there are ways to ensure workers get their fair share (such as collective bargaining) increased productivity just means increased profit for business, not increased wages.

    The low wage economy of the 1990s and the lack of investment is the reason for today’s need to increase productivity. National is responsible for that.

    Everybody’s talking about productivity, and its greatest proponent is probably the NZCTU (and the EPMU for that matter).

    National opposes collective bargaining and many other current legal protections for workers. It has no way of linking increase productivity to increased wages.

    Basically, National’s plan is to raise wages by removing legal protections for workers. It doesn’t make sense and workers should know what National’s real agenda is.

  35. Dan 35

    Barnsley Bill, you are dreaming. Not all NZers have the phone for polling! Your 23% is dreamland, So many people do not even hit the opinion poll radar. Clark and the Labour party are much closer to the average kiwi than the spoilt wanabees.

    Do not peak too soon Mr key. There is a long way to go yet.

  36. mike 36

    “Not all NZers have the phone for polling!”

    Sad eh Dan, maybe Helen can erect some cell phone towers in this 3rd world country…

  37. Rich Prick 37

    Err, 55% see ya all on the other side. Oh, and pretty much every one hates Helen too.

  38. burt 38

    rOb

    please remember that we have the wee formality of the election to get done first!

    Coming from the ultimate defender of retrospective validation it’s priceless that you call it a wee formality, because that is what it is when it’s been purchased and validated – a formality.

  39. burt 39

    rOb

    Sorry I forgot the magic words;

    … because that is what it is when it’s been purchased and validated – a formality – move on.

  40. r0b 40

    I’m glad you’re having a good time Rich Prick. But before you start measuring the beehive for drapes, please remember that we have the wee formality of the election to get done first!

    Oh and Helen? Win or lose the next one, her place in history as one of NZs great PMs is well assured. Good night.

  41. r0b 41

    Well Burt, your verbal comprehension skills seem to be every bit as strong as your understanding of parliamentary procedure.

    As you’re fond of calling Helen a “lying bitch”, I rather think you’re blinded by your irrational hatred, don’t you? Toddle pip.

  42. Santi 42

    “Clark and the Labour party are much closer to the average kiwi than the spoilt wanabees.”

    Really? Are you saying the average Kiwi is a socialist or at least a closeted socialist?

    Not a chance.

  43. outofbed 43

    No the average Kiwi is a social democrat

  44. burt 44

    Speaking of tail-spins.

    Tane

    You posted this a while back:
    Tane assures us the EFA will not effect the trade unions

    I was reading the Sunday Socialist Times and Matthew Hooton (Opinion: A11) seems to entirely back what DPF was saying.

    CAPTCHA frock expert

  45. DS 45

    “I was reading the Sunday Socialist Times and Matthew Hooton (Opinion: A11) seems to entirely back what DPF was saying.”

    Hooton and DPF are both Tory activists.

  46. Adolf Fiinkensein 46

    Here’s a question for party president Irish Bill. How many other interest free loans do you have and from whom? Come on, fess up now. All in the interests of transparency.

  47. Scribe 47

    let’s get this straight: it’s almost two months since the article came out and almost a week since the story broke and these are the best lines they can come up with?

    How about the fact it took the Labour Party strategists two months to find anything they could use to try to discredit John Key and avoid the impending defeat of humiliating proportions.

  48. burt 48

    DS

    Hooton and DPF are both Tory activists.

    OK, I’m not going to argue with you, however it’s not about playing the man, there is a ball in this game. Do you think their claims stack up against Tane’s? Did you read the article? Do you have anything to say about Hooton’s reasoning?

  49. nice feed on the National Party lines – we could do with more of those.
    and yes, i’d ask Cosby Textor for my money back too.

  50. burt 50

    rOb

    That quote you posted. Immediately before it.

    The loan was listed in the Labour Party’s accounts as “loan from supporter”. It is unlikely the source would have become public when the party presents its annual return of donations because the foregone interest will be less than the $10,000 level requiring declaration.

    Now what were you saying about transparency? Is it a selective thing?

    Also I’d like to see any organisation negotiate a non secured loan of $100K for less than 15% interest. It’s very convenient that the interest calculates to less than the threshold… It’s about transparency isn’t it…. Come get honest, this is typical “Labour good – National bad” stuff. If National calculated the interest (for donation purposes) at a rate that was unachievable in the current market Labour would be all over them….

  51. burt 51

    Once again, on the topic of tail-spins.

    Fran O’Sullivan: All bets are off on Monaco

    Oh dear oh dear;

    National MP Richard Worth, who is Monaco’s representative here, has pressed the Government for several years to appoint a consul.

    Former Foreign Affairs Minister Phil Goff repeatedly said such an appointment did not fit with New Zealand’s priorities in the world.

    But the Government is now reassessing this stance after discussions between Prime Minister Helen Clark and Labour Party president Mike Williams on the potential appointment of major party donor Owen Glenn to the role.

  52. i’d rather be going into a NZ election as the underdog than as a party “with enough votes to govern alone”.

  53. burt 53

    DS

    That story os now online via stuff:
    Electoral act catches union

    Tane – You guys supported this legislation ?

  54. r0b 54

    Adolf: Come on, fess up now. All in the interests of transparency.

    I’m very glad you’re into transparency Adolf. I’m into transparency. So is the Labour Party. National is not. John Armstrong summarises in The Herald:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10494053&pnum=2

    Nevertheless, it should be noted Labour is the only party in Parliament willing to allow public perusal of its annual audited accounts.

    Neither – unlike National – has it used special trusts through which to channel donations and thus avoid disclosing the source.

    So Adolf, you better get on to National about opening its accounts. Please let us know how you get on. All in the interests of transparency. Or – are you just a hypocrite?

  55. burt 55

    rOb

    I’m not joining Colin in that call. If Labour choose to open their books then good on them. However in the same way that if not declaring the name of the person who donated the interest from their interest free loan is not required because it (coincidently) is below the legal threshold level is valid, then not publishing audited accounts is valid if it’ not a legal requirement.

    How can you hide behind the “there was legal requirement” so it was OK they were not planning to disclose it and also suggest National have something to hide for not disclosing their books when there is no legal obligation?

    However I’d like to see National’s books – I’m just not partisan enough to insist they meet standards that others are not prepared to meet themselves.

  56. burt 56

    ooops

    How can you hide behind the “there was nolegal requirement’…

  57. with all the lame hypocrisy of a true National man Burt

  58. burt 58

    rOb

    It’s also pretty easy to offer up an audited set of accounts when you can simply retrospectively validate any stuff in them that makes them illegal. I guess I’d publish my private companies books for the world to see if I simply validate spending my tax money on my advertising.

  59. r0b 59

    Now what were you saying about transparency? Is it a selective thing?

    Yes Burt, it’s a very selective thing. Labour is the only party in parliament that allows public perusal of its accounts. The world knows that Labour got a loan, and can ask questions about it.

    The world doesn’t know if National has had loans, because their accounts are not open.

    If you are concerned about the transparency of Labour’s funding, then you must be even more concerned about National. Anything else is rank hypocrisy. Even the media is waking up to this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/politics/2008/02/22/time-to-tell-us-about-your-donors-national

    So how about it Burt. Are you going to be calling for National to open their books? Or is this just another example of your infantile National good, Labour bad .

  60. burt 60

    rOb

    The worst kind of hypocrite is one who claims that the interest would have been calculated at a rate lower then the OCR. Now that’s a classic example of cooking the books and spinning the facts to suit the law that you are trying to pretend you are working within – just how are these kinds of books audited – by the goodfish ?

    Enjoy the beach.

  61. r0b 61

    For those that don’t click on the link, Colin tells it like it is:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/politics/2008/02/22/time-to-tell-us-about-your-donors-national

    It’s time for National to put its mouth where its money is.
    After a week of climbing into Labour boots and all over the Owen Glenn saga, one thing has become abundantly clear: the Nats have lost any defence of their right to keep their own campaign donations secret.

    It is the height of hypocrisy for National to claim, as both its leader John Key and deputy Bill English have done this week, that “Labour’s relationship with its largest donor looks very murky indeed’ when National’s own relationship with its donors is not so much murky as totally hidden.

    So Burt, Adolf, are you joining Colin in calling for National to open its books? If not, why not?

  62. r0b 62

    Burt, stop avoiding the question. It makes you look furtive. Are you joining Colin in calling for National to open its books? If not, why not?

  63. r0b 63

    So Burt, so sum up:

    (1) you are all over Labour to declare details that it is not legally required to

    (2) you will not apply the same level of scrutiny to National (which is much less open than Labour)

    (3) you like to call Helen Clark a “lying bitch”

    I can only conclude that you are the worst kind of hypocrite, capable of nothing more than a national good, labour bad contribution to the debate. Sadly, it is here for all to see.

    I think I’ll go to the beach. Goodbye, Burt.

  64. John 64

    Crikey is this the best you can come up with vs National and Key looks like the election is lost for LABOUR already

  65. Burt – that’s weak. Even by your standards.

  66. Rich Prick 66

    Adolf, is Irish Bill one and the same as the lying fat slug the Labour Party calls its president? Not that I care with them at 32% and falling. And Helen universally loathed. Loveing it.

  67. r0b 67

    Riceh Pricek, so glad you’re having a good time. Have you any other words of wisdom for the undecided voters reading this blog?

  68. Phil 68

    what makes you think anyone reading this blog would be an ‘undecided/not-sure’?

  69. r0b 69

    Phil – Because I know some of them.

  70. Phil 70

    Sure, just like EWS “knows” people in Wellington, and ELV “knows” lots of former Labour voters who are crossing the floor.

  71. r0b 71

    OK Phil, sure, I’m sure you know better than me.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    3 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    3 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    5 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    5 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    6 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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