Funnily enough, it really was about trust

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1. logie97 1

   3 June 2010 at 12:38 am

   Couldn’t resist a comment here.
   The anti-spam is Turned…

   Add to your list Marty…

   Some pre-election interviews that went along the lines of…

   “Did Lord Ashcroft meet anyone in the National Party?”
   “He might have…”
   “Did Lord Ashcroft meet anyone in the National Party?”
   “Actually I think he did.”
   “Who was that Mr Key?”
   “Well…err.. me actually… He came to my place. Just a social visit…”

   and

   “How many shares did you have in Transrail Mr Key?”
   “Aww about 50,000.”
   “How many shares did you have in Transrail Mr Key?”
   “Aww 100,000 actually, yeah 100,000 I think…”
2. bobo 2

   3 June 2010 at 2:40 am

   Man Key sure did out-smug himself today referring all questions about his trust to his lawyer. I’m thinking he might get caught out down the track with some emails leaked with him referring to assets during this so called blind trust period, and suffer a similar fate of Winnie. Better make sure Blingish isn’t peering over his shoulder when he checks his emails 🙂
3. Jim Nald 3

   3 June 2010 at 5:00 am

   Friends, Kiwis and the rural party to be, lend me your ears;
   Nay, lend you his eyes to see through his blind trusts
   For John Key is an honourable man;
   And English
   So are they all; all honourable men
   Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
   …
   Yet John Key says he was ambitious;
   And John Key is an honourable man.
   …
   Our hearts are in the coffin there with integrity
   And we must pause till it come back to us.
   • Dan 3.1

     3 June 2010 at 6:17 pm

     Give me Brutus any day!
4. the sprout 4

   3 June 2010 at 7:36 am

   those would have to be the deadest looking eyes i have ever seen in a human.
   they look lie the eyes of a shark.
   • Jim Nald 4.1

     3 June 2010 at 2:48 pm

     .. and the eyes are the window to the soul.
5. vto 5

   3 June 2010 at 8:36 am

   Lies, lies, lies. Trust is nowhere to be seen in this government. So very tired of politicians lies.

   Maybe it is time to crank up the VTO Party. Vote Them Out. Any member elected refuses to participate in parliament thereby effectively cancelling a seat. A few members and the number of seats start to dwindle. Use the system to stymie and unravel the system. And if the remaining members started to game the system further then the VTO Party would introduce random voting which would further unravel the system, particularly if it held a balance of power position. Pure protest party. Do to the politicians what they do to the people.
6. Anne 6

   3 June 2010 at 8:53 am

   You forgot the cycleway Marty G. You know, the brain-storm job summit proposal that was going to break the back of rising unemployment. It was going to create at least 4000 jobs claimed Key. Tourism NZ estimate 400 jobs might come out of it.
7. marty mars 7

   3 June 2010 at 9:16 am

   Big ups to the jiminator – he taught the ‘smiling snake’ a political lesson yesterday. Now let’s back it up with some decent follow through… please
8. snoozer 8

   3 June 2010 at 9:38 am

   for the fifth time this year, Morning Report requested an interview with Key and he turned them down.

   Anderton took his place: http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20100603-0735-PM_changes_his_tune_on_possible_sale_of_Kiwibank-048.mp3
   • freedom 8.1

     3 June 2010 at 12:38 pm

     they should just continue with the interview, really push the big interviews all week then, when there is a no-show, just interview dead air , they will learn to show up
9. Evidence-Based Practice 9

   3 June 2010 at 9:57 am

   In a healthy democracy the leaders should front up to media, and answer the difficult questions. Seems the PM and several of his ministers are very reluctant to do this any more. That is very worrying. He won’t even face the right-friendly Sean Plunket on Radio NZ.
10. coolas 10

    3 June 2010 at 10:55 am

    John Key and popular culture collide.

    He made a fortune as a capitalist Vampire and treats us like brain dead Zombies.

    “We won’t sell Kiwibank – Ever.”

    He show’s his contempt for us every time he opens his lying mouth.
11. BLiP 11

    3 June 2010 at 11:25 am

    Anything to get elected – anything to stay elected.
12. kriswgtn 12

    3 June 2010 at 11:44 am

    Trust???
    What Trust
    My blind trust ?
    Trust me?
    Trust us?

    have another drink no balls
13. randal 13

    3 June 2010 at 1:06 pm

    pssssst…hey meester.
    yew wanna buy a bank?
14. peter 14

    3 June 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Perhaps Key is a symbolic of the changes in our society and what levels of ethics and honesty that we expect from our elected officials.

    Judging by his support levels, I sometimes wonder if the bulk of his supporters really care about such trifles as honesty and ethical behaviour…
15. JonL 15

    3 June 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Sort of reminds me of a Peter Cook and Dudley Moore sketch “Integrity! I like that in a man….and I’m willing to pay for it!…how much do you want?”
16. JonL 16

    3 June 2010 at 3:31 pm

    “Judging by his support levels, I sometimes wonder if the bulk of his supporters really care about such trifles as honesty and ethical behaviour ” Strange….the missus and I were talking about just this thing in the car this morning….I think, more and more often, it seems to be a “rather strange, quaint notion” – particularly among those under 50……
    • SteveR 16.1

      3 June 2010 at 3:55 pm

      I think it’s also to do with background, though. We have a PM (and, it seems, a party) who believe it’s OK to run a government as though it were a company—basically (ideally whilst staying within the law, or at least what your lawyers can argue successfully for) do whatever it takes to win. Your justification for any actions is keeping a majority of your shareholders behind you. That’s all.

      In private such people might be extremely ethical people—honest, decent, kind,…etc. But they make a distinction (probably necessary to keep sane) between how you run your life and how you run your company.

      The problem we are seeing is that a government is not a company, and there is no distinction between life and the company. But I guess the calculation is: if your voters (shareholders) back you, do what you like.

      So, lying to get to the point you want to get to in business is no doubt fine, but that is not OK (is it?) in a government.
17. gobsmacked 17

    3 June 2010 at 4:02 pm

    In Parliament today:

    “Hon Annette King: Is it Government policy to sell Kiwibank eventually, as he said on 1 August 2008, before the election, or is the policy to never sell Kiwibank ever, as stated by John Key on at least nine occasions, including May 2007, 5, 6, and 7 August 2008, 21 and 22 October 2008, and 4 and 5 November 2008?

    Hon Bill English: The Prime Minister has strong views on these things, and I tend to agree with them.”

    Two comments:

    1) Yes, but apart from May 2007, 5, 6, and 7 August 2008, 21 and 22 October 2008, and 4 and 5 November 2008 … what have the Romans ever promised us?

    2) Bill English’s reply speaks volumes. That’s a very experienced politician saying (translated): “John, you’re on your own. You’ve dug yourself a hole, you can dig yourself out of it.”
    • SteveR 17.1

      3 June 2010 at 4:05 pm

      And I noticed in the videos of Mr. Cunliffe’s questions Mr. English yesterday that when we could see Mr. Key next to English has was shuffling papers, looking away etc. I think that says the same “you’re on your own” back the other way, too.
    • uke 17.2

      3 June 2010 at 5:49 pm

      Isn’t this when Lockwood is supposed to remind English he must answer the substance of the question or be in contempt?
18. gobsmacked 18

    3 June 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Here’s today’s challenge for students of Key-Speak.

    What on earth is he trying to say?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3773339/Kiwibank-sale-ruled-out-for-now

    It’s clear that National will not sell Kiwibank. Except they might, later. But they won’t. Because it’s been ruled out. For ever. For now. Maybe. Because they might campaign on selling Kiwibank. Although selling is not selling, and owning is not owning, except when it is.

    OK?
    • Lanthanide 18.1

      3 June 2010 at 5:03 pm

      It makes absolutely no sense to me either. It seems that he’s repeating what he said in parliament, but somehow presenting it as if it is different to what he said in parliament?

      Perhaps the reporter just garbled it, I’m sure it’ll be on the 6pm news.
    • Pascal's bookie 18.2

      3 June 2010 at 5:07 pm

      The most important part of understanding is reflection, which always contains a reversal.

      That what is, can never be as it appears,
      That which shall be, shall never be what we thought it may have been.

      The now is eternal. That which is, will always be, as now. That which will be, will always have been, as that now. Which will be new, but eternal.

      Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, as has been said, doubly so. I feel a little peckish. Fancy a little smackeral of something? Ooh look, a kiwi bank. nom nom nom.
    • Jim Nald 18.3

      5 June 2010 at 2:45 am

      I’m not selling my mother, ever.
      Well, I’m not selling my mother this lifetime.
      Erm, I’m not selling my mother this month.
      Oh ok, I’m not selling my mother at this moment.
      • Jim Nald 18.3.1

        5 June 2010 at 8:48 am

        And how about this one inspired by what is in this morning’s Dom Post …

        I’m not selling my mother .. while I call myself her son.
19. kriswgtn 19

    3 June 2010 at 5:18 pm

    I wouldnt count on it….ref to above post

    I watched jane clifton and co today and they seem to be on the buzz that Key can still do no wrong and that everything the Govt is doing is all ok by US the voters and everything that has been flung @ donkey no balls and his mates hasnt stuck

    Nearly every single one apart from espiner and who else FARRAR?? hahahah ,you are a disgrace to journalism and should go and learn some Jorno skills

    But then half are tax payer funded and work for Donkeys m8s so of course they wont rock the boat

    Must be so hard for Blinglish to be deputy hahhaha- you can tell hes dying to roll donkey
20. jcuknz 20

    3 June 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Really this thread is hilarious … why? …. changing the way tax is charged is wrong more GST less Income tax … seems AOK to me … particularly when I get a small tax cut to make the change in my favour.
    We knew before the election that asset sales are on the card for the second or third terms … we just have to make sure there isn’t a 2nd or 3rd term …. not that Labour currently are showing any promise of this.
    He used to own part of a vineyard before the election so he knows it is fun … his memory wasn’t wiped clean on becoming PM. He has a memory of past enjoyments … no great problem there.
    When one has numerous quantities of shares in various companies I guess the details are blurred, he didn’t say he didn’t ever have any shares.
    He didn’t want to lie about meeting the guy so he reluctantly admitted he had met him.
    Sorry but I wish you guys would come up with something of merit to forward the cause instead of this silly quibbling.
    • logie97 20.1

      4 June 2010 at 5:29 am

      @jcuknz
      can’t you see evidence of a man who might just find it hard to lie straight in bed at night?
      … and why would you seek legal advice to ensure that you were telling the truth about your “trust” set-up. This thread is about a character – and it is the multitude of events that are clouding that…
21. tsmithfield 21

    4 June 2010 at 6:35 am

    So if some shares in Kiwi bank were sold to the Cullen Fund, would that qualify as selling Kiwi bank?
    • QoT 21.1

      4 June 2010 at 8:02 am

      Bugger me, tsmith, that was exactly my question too! It probably all depends on what your definition of “is” [or “selling”] is.
22. Santi 22

    4 June 2010 at 8:07 am

    Key will lie all the way to the election. He cannot be trusted on any electoral promises.
23. Gazza 23

    4 June 2010 at 10:07 am

    Dont worry no kiwibank sale no more GST rises Key’s mates have made a big financial profit over three years so they will probably vote them selves out of govt.
    It will take another couple off years to get back on our feet, but I think Labour have learnt their lesson no more nanny state and the Maori Party coup will fade away to one more party under 2%.
    2012 the Key blind trust will gain it’s sight, English will sell his Wgton house and move south and they will all have shares in future off shore oil and future mined minerals.
    • jcuknz 23.1

      5 June 2010 at 9:32 am

      Maori … Does it matter that they get 2% or even less becuase they are winning electoral seats.
24. Jum 24

    5 June 2010 at 12:03 am

    Word has it that Key never intended to stay past getting in a second time, then stepping down with his knighthood, his world speaking tour and his insider trading contacts, and the hounds of hell will then swoop. (Bit difficult seeing Gerry Brownlee swooping…)

    Whenever he says ‘not while I’m Prime Minister’ it’s probably true, but the shelf life is one day after the next election if he gets in. Let’s make sure he doesn’t just to be on the safe side.

    He also promised that no member of his government would sell off Kiwibank. Although if he steps down it will no longer be his government. He’s as slippery as a snake. But he’s still a liar.

    Gazza – what do you mean by ‘no more nanny state’? You want the patriarchal fascist state do you, or just a caring state, like we had between 2000 and 2008? I know what works when it comes to balancing out society and it probably isn’t your version.

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