Is National Just Inconsistent or Incompetent?

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1. Grant Insley 1

   1 June 2020 at 7:27 am

   A few things around his announcement.

   "Todd Muller wants JobStart policy in place 'within weeks'….."

   Wants? Really?

   Then this back at him: "Finance Minister Grant Robertson has said he is prepared to consider the JobStart policy, while adding the Government focus is on keeping people in work and creating new jobs now – not in November."

   Gets better though: "As the Minister, Mr Robertson can direct officials to fine-tune the policy and implement the administrative details to get this up and running immediately," he said.

   Seems to me he doesn't actually have a policy, just a set of speech notes.

   'His' idea, that he expects others to provide the detail on? That's because he knows it's full of fish hooks!
2. Graeme 2

   1 June 2020 at 7:58 am

   There's similar programs already. WINZ have two schemes to set people up in their own business, the Self-employment start up payment, and the Flexi-wage for self-employment

   The start up payment is up to $10,000 in a 52 week period, and Flexi-wage gives up to the minimum wage for 30 hours a week, for up to 52 weeks.

   Both are equal, or better than Muddler's suggested scheme.

   I couldn't find anything that goes direct to an employer but it's probably there as well.

   The thing looks like they got a heads up from someone working up a programme in WINZ or MSD and popped out an announcement making out that it's their idea. sigh.moan had form at this.
   • froggleblocks 2.1

     1 June 2020 at 12:40 pm

     Both of those polices are only open to people who are on main benefits or qualify to be.

     Muller's proposal is the money is paid to the business, not the employee.

     Those polices are a faint shadow of what Muller is proposing.
     • greywarshark 2.1.1

       3 June 2020 at 3:43 pm

       But the idea that Graeme has outlined is for the money to be paid to someone who is wanting to start their OWN business, they may have been an employee but are now looking to do the hard graft to start something new. That's not what you say iceblocks.
3. Sacha 3

   1 June 2020 at 8:12 am

   downward pressure on wages

   You may have spotted their agenda.
4. peterh 4

   1 June 2020 at 8:23 am

   November is the start of the horticulture season all will be putting on new staff, just as they do every year how ever this year they will call them new jobs get $10,000 for each and after four months give them the flick, Muller has been in Horticulture long enough to know this, I have also been in horticulture for 40 years and 25 or so years ago there was a job creation scheme and it was full the same ripoffs
   • Grafton Gully 4.1

     1 June 2020 at 9:27 am

     "a requirement that the job is genuine, permanent and offered in good faith" covers this.
     • peterh 4.1.1

       1 June 2020 at 10:10 am

       In good faith ??
     • Psycho Milt 4.1.2

       1 June 2020 at 10:19 am

       It would cover it if they didn't reinstate the 90-day trial period. With the 90-day trial, it opens up an obvious scam: the job was permanent but this particular staff member didn't work out. Oh, and then we had to restructure and now we have this new job for which we'd like $10 Gs, please.
     • KJT 4.1.3

       1 June 2020 at 8:35 pm

       Like that is going to work.

       Already seen first hand, how the subsidy for long term unemployed, works, combined with the ninety day rule, with employers like fast food, hospitality and crop picking.

       Some trade employers may use it honestly, but I think National's plan will only work, which may well be the underlaying intention, to get short term subsidised cheap employees, for businesses that used to use backpackers and work visa's.
5. Dennis Frank 5

   1 June 2020 at 8:40 am

   I get the impression that his basic idea is that the economy seems dead in the water, but if thrown this lifeline it may start to swim again.

   “If you, as small business owners, give just one of your newly unemployed neighbours a job before Christmas, you will be the heroes of the economic crisis, the way that our nurses and doctors and all five million of us who stayed at home and washed our hands were the heroes of the health crisis,” Muller said.

   Responding to the announcement, Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the policy was not a new idea, with a number of other countries having undertaken similar initiatives after the GFC and now.

   So Muller frames small business as an heroic endeavour, to rescue us all. Robertson cites the method as traditional and current – but didn't say that it actually works.

   https://www.newsroom.co.nz/politics/2020/05/29/1211068/national-pitches-10k-hiring-bonus-scheme
   • Incognito 5.1

     1 June 2020 at 11:44 am

     Almost. He wants us to believe that the economy is dead in the water and then to be miraculously saved/rescued by the only one(s) with the skills and knowledge. All he wants (from us) is to be given the power to enact and complete his fairy tale story. And we lived long and happily ever after in Middle-Management Earth after the Princess and the Knight had eliminated the wicked virus with the help of the five million dwarves. The End.
     • Dennis Frank 5.1.1

       1 June 2020 at 12:33 pm

       Ah, mythos. Always under-rated as shaper of the forces of history. Somewhat more prosaic is Brian Easton in his new book:

       Much of our history has indeed been written from a leftish perspective. However, the pink cloud obscures the total story of New Zealand’s development.

       And, despite more observers categorising him as leftist himself, he's right that a dispassionate overview is necessary to inform someone fully. Michael Reddell has this interesting observation:

       Easton here (as in the previous book) seems less than persuaded by the notion that large scale immigration to New Zealand since World War Two has done anything beneficial for the productivity or material living standards of New Zealanders. Here, as I’ve noted before, he stands in continuity with earlier authors on New Zealand economic history.

       https://croakingcassandra.com/2020/05/30/not-in-narrow-seas/

       Economic historians often illuminate causal relations that nobody else perceives, that produce political consequences. I await analysis from both – when the two recovery plans are made available to the public in full.
       • Incognito 5.1.1.1

         1 June 2020 at 12:58 pm

         Uhhmmm, ok, but how is this relevant to Todd Muller and his framing of the economy and his ‘rescue plan’?

         If you don’t mind me saying, you do seem to have a habit, intentional or accidental, on going off on a tangent and losing just about every other commenter here and presumably readers as well. I assume you’re interested in assisting change and the necessary debate and dialogue rather than using TS as a soapbox for unidirectional monologue. IIRC, you recently said as much.
         • Dennis Frank 5.1.1.1.1

           1 June 2020 at 1:37 pm

           Oh, I assumed that would be evident – I assume the policy advocated is a key part of the foreshadowed National plan. Which cannot be evaluated by economists operating as economic historians until it is revealed in full, when they get the opportunity to say `yep, it worked here & here', specifying those historical instances. And the plan which Grant evolves in consultation with the public service, likewise…
           • Incognito 5.1.1.1.1.1

             1 June 2020 at 1:52 pm

             Ta

             No, it was not evident, at least not to me, which was my point.

             I still don’t quite get the role you see for economic historians. Any economic plan needs to be thoroughly reviewed and analysed (modelled, if you like) and be based on best available evidence. We don’t and can’t wait for a historian to write a book about it!
             • Dennis Frank …

               1 June 2020 at 2:22 pm

               Yes but in their blogs these guys do provide real-time analysis of policy & application. I read them due to that relevance & learn from them sometimes. Both National & Labour use traditional economic practice, and as someone who has long believed that to be wrong, I feel it is necessary to try & glean accuracy of match between theory & practice.

               If they reason that the plans are viable due to matching with prior historical circumstances, that will impress most readers (I, as a natural sceptic, don't matter) and thus seem credible to the politicians who must operate in accord with the beliefs of voters. Whether it fits the neoliberal prescription or the socialist prescription doesn't matter – it has the mandate of tradition. Or, as Confucius would put it, the mandate of heaven. If I was more erudite, I'd quote him to reinforce the point!
               • Incognito …

                 1 June 2020 at 3:55 pm

                 Ok, I’m going to make a crude and provocative statement:

                 History can teach us what worked and what didn’t and possibly tell us why. However, it cannot predict the future.

                 In other words, the further you extrapolate and the more you deviate from (historical) data, models, and knowledge, the more uncertain the prediction and analysis becomes. In the end, you are just waving your hands around and looking up to the sky chanting learned words that have lost all their meaning and purpose.

                 To mitigate risk, especially when risk averse such as in politics, economics, and finance, for example, any change will and has to be incremental by default. Given that these systems are enormously interwoven and complex, they tend to be buffered against change, and they absorb external and internal shocks. So-called paradigm shifts, i.e. major shifts in thinking, understanding, and acting, do not just occur but have to be actively implemented, enforced almost, at great cost of effort and energy. The other opportunity for major change is after blunt trauma such as (global) war or (global) disaster such as a pandemic.

                 We have dodged a bullet and now some people say that there never was a bullet in the first place. That’s not learning anything from history, but is maintaining wilful ignorance through stubborn and dogmatic denial.
                 • Dennis Frank …

                   1 June 2020 at 4:06 pm

                   Oh yes, all true. Yet the sad fact is decision-makers tend to be guided by economists. Dead economists, primarily, as some wit once pointed out. I don't claim to be wise enough to know why. I actually haven't got a clue. 😕
                   • Incognito …

                     1 June 2020 at 5:23 pm

                     The economy, stupid

                     This meme is now endemic and there’s no vaccine.
                   • pat …

                     1 June 2020 at 6:28 pm

                     "Yet the sad fact is decision-makers tend to be guided by economists. Dead economists, primarily, as some wit once pointed out. "

                     Nothing wrong with dead economists, so long as you are particular about which (dead) economists you give credence…after all human behaviour hasn't changed in millennia.
6. Muttonbird 6

   1 June 2020 at 8:47 am

   It's $5K at commencement and $5K after 90 days, I think.

   Surely businesses only hire worker when the work demands it. JobStart seems to miss that crucial plank of free market capitalism.
   • Descendant Of Smith 6.1

     1 June 2020 at 9:34 am

     I'd rather see a commitment for government departments to pick up some school leavers and particularly young Maori who the labour market won't employ. At least then they will be paid a decent wage, with that money going into communities that need decent wages. Areas that National ran down like DOC in small communities would be a good start.

     https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/gisborne-doc-workers-take-redundancy-2009051512

     https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=11094458

     Stopping centralising government jobs in Wellington would be another good option. Technology allows people to work from anywhere – as COVID has shown. Spread the jobs out to the regions.

     The role the public service plays in supplying good regional jobs is so underplayed by successive governments. That is taxpayer funds going back into communities.

     Too many Wellington based empire builders I'm told.
     • RedBaronCV 6.1.1

       1 June 2020 at 12:14 pm

       And a lot of the large companies have transferred most of their jobs into Auckland. Telco's, banks, kiwirail costing us a fortune in infrastructure they won't be paying for.

       Incentivize them to move – plus drag back some more of those call centres from overseas or enable staff on the ground to actually do stuff.

       [Fixed typo in user handle]
7. Psycho Milt 7

   1 June 2020 at 9:12 am

   …employers could have an employee for free for 90 days if they wish…

   and

   …Dan Bidois is calling for full re-instatement of the 90-day trial period.

   They're neither inconsistent nor incompetent. Their weaselry is very consistent and they know exactly what they're proposing.
8. pat 8

   1 June 2020 at 9:15 am

   "That sounds good, on paper. The $10,000 to the employer is exempt from income tax, as is the case with the Wage Subsidy Scheme."

   Haven't looked at the Nat proposal in any detail but the wage subsidy IS subject to taxation (though not GST)
   • The Al1en 8.1

     1 June 2020 at 9:29 am

     Not as it enters the employers bank account in a lump sum, but definitely taxed when passed on to employees each week.
     • pat 8.1.1

       1 June 2020 at 9:40 am

       classed as a compensatory payment and therefore counted as income
       • The Al1en 8.1.1.1

         1 June 2020 at 10:11 am

         For the employer, employee or both?
         • pat 8.1.1.1.1

           1 June 2020 at 10:35 am

           for the party that receives it….employees don't receive it (directly)
           • The Al1en 8.1.1.1.1.1

             1 June 2020 at 3:34 pm

             With the wage subsidy, as an employee I do pay tax on it, including student loan. I sure think my boss didn't paid tax on it when she received the lump sum from the government.

             Edit: Posted before reading the exchange below 🙂
             • pat …

               1 June 2020 at 3:43 pm

               yes you as an employee would pay tax…no dispute…I didn't think the employer was tax exempt, but it appears they are…sole traders and self employed (myself, which was why I disputed original position) are not
   • Incognito 8.2

     1 June 2020 at 10:54 am

     Tax treatment

     The modified Wage Subsidy Scheme, and the previous COVID-19 leave and wage subsidy schemes, are considered excluded income to businesses and are also GST exempt. When passed on as wages, businesses don’t get a deduction for income tax purposes.

     Payments to employees under the modified Wage Subsidy Scheme, and the previous COVID-19 wage subsidy and leave schemes, are wages. Therefore, they are subject to standard deductions like PAYE, ACC levies, KiwiSaver contributions and student loan repayments.

     https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/other-types-of-leave/coronavirus-workplace/wage-subsidy/
     • pat 8.2.1

       1 June 2020 at 11:24 am

       have just checked and different application for sole traders and self employed as opposed to employers

       "Please note that the tax-free treatment in respect of employers who receive the wage subsidy for their employees does not apply to self-employed people who receive the subsidy for their personal loss of income. The subsidy will only be tax free as excluded income for a self-employed person to the extent it is used by them to subsidise wages of their employees."

       https://www.ird.govt.nz/covid-19/business-and-organisations/employing-staff/wage-subsidies/wage-subsidy—issues-for-self-employed
       • Incognito 8.2.1.1

         1 June 2020 at 11:33 am

         Ta

         In the context of JobStart, it seems that the new hires will have to pay income tax as per usual, which is what I assumed and wrote in the OP.

         This ‘new’ policy was clearly put up with haste. It borrows heavily on previous and existing ideas and schemes yet it is feather light in terms of detail. Details are important, as any manager would know.
9. JustMe 9

   1 June 2020 at 10:58 am

   Lets look at the track record of National whilst they were in government when it came to workers.

   They had one leader who took delight in pulling the ponytails of female staff at their local cafe and deemed the action as being 'all in good fun'.

   They have one MP who pushed his way through and past a airport worker whilst claiming he was 'running late for a plane'.

   Another former National MP was angry a waiter didn't know who he was whilst another MP used workplace bullying towards his staff within parliamentary grounds.

   Another eventual leader of the NZ National party claimed low income workers were living beyond their means and MUST experience financial cutbacks but was caught out DOUBLE DIPPING on the same NZ taxpayers he was denigrating.

   There wasn't a peep of concern by the National government of the time when it came to employers like Bunnings having Zero Hour contracts.

   In fact I am sure National would be comfortable(using one of John Key's pet words)with Zero Hour contracts and the 90 day employment program whilst paying employers $10,000 per employee at the same time.

   It would be a win/win situation for National and devious employers and a no win situation for workers.

   But then when has National ever cared about low income NZers in what is well known as deliberately kept low income NZ?
   • Chris T 9.1

     1 June 2020 at 2:30 pm

     Do you really want to have a to and throw about bad things Nat and Labour MPs have done, as it is pretty ugly on both sides.
     • Incognito 9.1.1

       1 June 2020 at 2:46 pm

       If you cannot address the actual comment, please don’t derail the OP with whataboutisms and theydidittooisms, thanks.
10. Wayne 10

    1 June 2020 at 12:30 pm

    I can't see why you think the two policies are inconsistent.

    You need to bear in mind that New Zealand already has the 90 day trial period, albeit limited to SME's with less than 20 people. So any job creation programme implemented by the current government has that as a factor.

    I wonder if Labour will campaign to eliminate the 90 day trial period altogether? Obviously the Greens will, but we have yet to see if Labour will have that as a policy. It is my prediction Labour won't, but time alone will tell.
    • Poission 10.1

      1 June 2020 at 12:53 pm

      I can't see why you think the two policies are inconsistent.

      The evidence suggests that the 90 day policy adds nothing to increased hiring of staff,hence the two policies are incoherent as treasury suggests ie not statistically significant.

      We find no evidence that the ability to use trial periods significantly increases firms’ overall hiring; we estimate the policy effect to be a statistically and economically insignificant 0.8 percent increase in hiring on average across all industries. However, within the construction and wholesale trade industries, which report high use of trial periods, we estimate a weakly significant 10.3 percent increase in hiring as a result of the policy. We also find no evidence that the policy increased the probability that a new hire by a firm was a disadvantaged jobseeker for a range of definitions of disadvantaged jobseeker: beneficiaries, jobseeker beneficiaries, non-workers, recent migrants, youths under 25 years old, Māori or Pasifika under 25 years old, or education leavers. This result holds both over the economy as a whole, and in the high-use industries. Trial period policy also does not appear to have affected the probability that a newly hired worker remained with his employer for at least two, five, 12 or 24 months; the policy seems not to have substantially increased short-term hiring

      https://treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2017-11/oia-20160188.pdf

      At present the NZ economy is undertaking a recovery from a shock (a singularity) there is significant evidence that it can be resilient (record household bank deposits) and the paydown of personal debt (credit cards and consumer finance) along with trading surpluses,that we (nz ) may be on the path to living within our means for the first time in a generation.
    • Incognito 10.2

      1 June 2020 at 4:08 pm

      I also doubt that Labour will campaign on getting rid of the 90-day trials. It would be a huge risk of upsetting the business community for essentially a psychological but not structural victory. All research that I’ve seen points to potentially a small positive effect for businesses and not much (!) evidence of businesses rorting it and exploiting employees. For Labour there is little gain and much to lose. Therefore, it’ll stay IMO. With National in charge, OTOH, it’ll be different.
    • Tricledrown 10.3

      2 June 2020 at 10:02 pm

      Wayne NZ first is the soft edge of the National Party I would say Labour would like to make the 90 day trial fairer though.Small businesses like this policy because it allows them to hire productive staff.

      Many young ones don't turn up to regimented work routines ie no work ethic.While their are a few rogue employers out there who are getting found out.Many small businesses can't afford to have employees who can't carry their weight .Those SME 's make up a good percentage of voters now .
11. Sabine 11

    1 June 2020 at 1:01 pm

    Wage Subsidy Scheme is taxed. Not sure where the author thought that it would be exempt from Income tax. Or does PAYE not count, cause the wage subsidy that i paid to my staff sure as hell was taxed. She paid income tax on that. To the point where the 585 only amount to about 490$ for full time.

    as for National? Like labour/Greens/NZfirst/ACT etc they are finding themselves in times where non of the old bullshit works and its now just time to grab, loot, n run. Global warming, global recession/depression, global pandemics etc and sure enough you run out of good ideas. Couple that with the fact that there is not one person in the National Party that actually is working for the country rather then their own collection of fancy and overpriced shoes and boom, they are not only incompetent, but also inconsistent and often times malicious. What else is new?
    • Incognito 11.1

      1 June 2020 at 1:13 pm

      It is in the Q&A in National’s factsheet that I mentioned in the OP:

      Is the $10k JobStart taxable income?

      • No. The payment will be tax exempt for businesses in a similar way the wage subsidy scheme is tax exempt.

      https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nationalparty/pages/13686/attachments/original/1590718492/Fact_Sheet_-_JobStart.pdf?1590718492

      It is also discussed in the thread @ 8 😉
      • Sabine 11.1.1

        1 June 2020 at 4:18 pm

        Yes, and as I said in my comment, The Wage Subsidy Scheme is TAXED via PAYE. So is not exempt from income tax.

        While you said:

        The $10,000 to the employer is exempt from income tax, as is the case with the Wage Subsidy Scheme.

        that is what i refereed to. Nothing to do with anything else. And i would like to point out that the wage subsidy scheme is intended to go to the workers and should not be gobbled up by employers.
        • Incognito 11.1.1.1

          1 June 2020 at 4:56 pm

          All good, we’re both right today 😉

          The JobStart handout of $10,000 obviously goes to the worker too unless the employer is doing something dodgy. The worker pays income tax on that, the employer does not.
12. SPC 12

    1 June 2020 at 1:04 pm

    Preferable would be a scheme whereby the $10,000 was only paid after the hire was employed for 6 months.

    But better still subsidise on the job training – $10,000 for one year paid by both government and employer – $20,000 half the MW for a one year training position.
13. observer 13

    1 June 2020 at 1:33 pm

    I don't think we need to take too seriously a policy that has little to do with business or jobs – except Todd Muller's own. He needed to announce something – anything – to get the media to change the focus from his multiple car crash.

    To be fair, the bad headlines for Muller have faded in the last few days. National have achieved this by removing their leader from sight. He's become un-Googled.

    Invisibility is a bold strategy for an exciting new leader. It'll be tough to avoid all media questions until the election, but it may be his best option.
    • pat 13.1

      1 June 2020 at 2:00 pm

      Lol…yep very likely so…however as Chris Trotter noted in a recent article the fact Simon is gone will likely be enough to bring many back to the fold no matter how poorly Todd performs….I suspect he will prove to be correct, to a certain extent
    • Incognito 13.2

      1 June 2020 at 4:00 pm

      It had occurred to me that JobStart referred to Muller’s new role as Leader of National 😉

      The long weekend has given him three days of breathing space. Coming week will be telling; I’m sure Muller and his team of talent have had a busy three days.
14. adam 14

    1 June 2020 at 4:18 pm

    This does look more like socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the poor. It's an irony which leaves a sickening taste in the mouth. Funny how the right wing are so into socialism when it's for their direct benefit.
    • Incognito 14.1

      1 June 2020 at 5:17 pm

      The Taxpayers’ Onion doesn’t like it. The BFD doesn’t like it.
15. Darien Fenton 15

    1 June 2020 at 4:19 pm

    Dan Bidois' announcement was not well timed, boringly last century, and contradictory to the JobsStart policy. I remember a similar argument when they introduced the 90 day trial period with Paula Bennett who insisted it would apply to new starts coming off the benefit. I think she backed down in the end. Dan Bidois is an unfortunate pick for National and an easy target. After all, he is the man who said he wants to see unions gone.
    • Incognito 15.1

      1 June 2020 at 5:04 pm

      I think National is using its MPs as pawns in a game of political chess. When Bidois or Maureen Pugh come up with those press releases, social media messages, and what have you, I think they act on instruction, and not off their own bat. It is a Borg Collective. Occasionally, one engages their own brain and inevitably regrets it 😉 This is the Party of self-responsibility and personal choice, which is rather rudderless at the mo and has long lost its civil/moral compass.
      • Robert Guyton 15.1.1

        1 June 2020 at 6:03 pm

        Agreed.
      • Sacha 15.1.2

        1 June 2020 at 6:19 pm

        The one election we have had where the incumbent govt's advantages are offset by vastly superior funding for the main opposition party's campaign activities but the Nats are too rudderless to put up a decent fight.
        • Incognito 15.1.2.1

          1 June 2020 at 6:26 pm

          Indeed, and my worry is that if they can’t put a decent fight they might resort to a dirty one.
          • Sacha 15.1.2.1.1

            1 June 2020 at 6:28 pm

            With Fieldmarshall Brownlee in charge what could possibly go wrong..
16. Tiger Mountain 16

    1 June 2020 at 5:01 pm

    Bidois is anti union, the Nats very DNA is Union busting, and worker suppression–think Massey’s “Cossacks” and Holland’s ’51 waterfront lockout. Compliant workers brimming with fear and loathing are easier to manipulate and discard with no obligation–that is what the old 90s buzz term “labour flexibility” really meant. And it is exactly what 90 day fire at will is all about.

    The original iteration of “sack ’em on day 89” was never even properly monitored by the appropriate departments from the outset! Treasury did say something as alluded to above.

    The Employment Contracts Act 1991–NZ National Party all the way–was the end of wide spread collective coverage for NZ workers. Working class families have felt the impact ever since, and in 2020 we need to improve the situation not adopt reactionary measures.
17. TJ 17

    2 June 2020 at 7:23 am

    It encourages employers to be dumber than necessarily required to hire staff, and run a business anywhere except into the ground while churning staff as quickly as running a tap. Just like the 90 Day law always did. No risk, no cost, no stake in the game, opportunity to take all the rewards and none of the cost, no real need for the employer to learn anything from their failure, and no need to say anything truthful about anything during what is now a non-existent interview process, but everything done in total "good faith".

    No intelligent person would hire an employee who publicly announced, over and over, they had no intention of fulfilling their responsibilities. Yet we are allowing employers to do this, and arguing it might work? Where is the crisis? Where exactly is the crisis that requires this deadly cure?

    In five years from now the majority of employers will be even dumber than they are now, helped along by their own greed, and a criminally insane government. This same government will be at a total loss to understand how things went wrong, except to blame the opposition, whoever they are, while only ever accelerating the destruction of yet another social pillar that generally speaking stops nations falling into wholesale poverty – in this case, stable and permanent employment in meaningful jobs. A future worth voting for I'm sure, as long as your rental property gets that new kitchen in before Christmas.
18. Kevin 18

    2 June 2020 at 1:16 pm

    I'm baffled as to why you would put a cap on the number of jobs.
    • Incognito 18.1

      2 June 2020 at 1:36 pm

      I think this is so that they can manage and budget for it. No Government writes out blank cheques because it would lose control of its finances. That said, I don’t think National has done its homework on this policy. Muller needed something positive to end the week with.
19. peter sim 19

    2 June 2020 at 10:50 pm

    This whole commentary reads like the minutes of an economists meeting.

    If all the economists in the world were laid end to end they would not, still, reach a conclusion.

    (My apologies to GB Shaw for the misquote, it is close enough.)
    • Incognito 19.1

      2 June 2020 at 11:13 pm

      Again, just for you:

      The economy, stupid

      Quiz: Who said this?

      A. An economist

      B. A politician

      C. Neither

      D. Both

      E. Don’t Know
20. greywarshark 20

    3 June 2020 at 3:33 pm

    National Party – an enigma that Turing couldn't break. In- something, I can't think of the word. I've got it – Incontinent!

    A bit of fun and frivolity: Bet they are too flat-footed to dance the Continent-al. A different sort of in-continent.
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz7_e8ClwzA

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