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John Key: the mumbo-jumbo man

Written By: - Date published: 1:12 pm, June 26th, 2014 - 52 comments
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I think that this poster from the Greens about the debate on the maui dolphin says it all about the shallowness of National and its leader. The guy is simpleminded fool and generally a dickhead.

John key on maui dolphin

Rather than understanding an issue and dealing it, he prefers to act like a mumbo-jumbo clown.

52 comments on “John Key: the mumbo-jumbo man”

  1. McGrath 1

    As a general question, how many Maui dolphins have died as a result of oil & gas exploration?

    • Wonderpup 1.1

      Its not how many have, its how many might. And that figure is too high.

      For the minister of tourism to want whale watching tours to be done with the background of oil drilling platforms, and the risk they pose, is astonishing.

      • infused 1.1.1

        Better stop driving cars. Someone might die.

        • weka 1.1.1.1

          Better stop commenting. You look like a tosser.

          There are something like 60 Maui Dolphins left. On the planet.

          Unless of course you don’t care about species extinction, in which case why not just say so?

        • Pasupial 1.1.1.2

          infused

          There are more than 55 people left in the world. One single death of a Maui’s dolphin for whatever reason is a nearly 2% drop in total population; that’s the equivalent of 130 million people dying!

          You may be as terrible at driving as you are at thinking, but I doubt even you could manage that.

    • Martin 1.2

      Key is still an ignorant
      regardless of your question.

    • emergency mike 1.3

      Yeah that’s right McGrath, what would dem scientists know eh? Clearly not as much as you.

      You’ve got to hand it to Key though. Norman offers him science supporting the claim that oil exploration is a threat to Maui’s Dolphin. Key responds by demanding science supporting the claim that oil exploration is a threat to Maui’s Dolphin.

      Still, it was good enough for repeaters like McGrath.

  2. Enough is Enough 2

    Yet again it is the Greens leading the debate on an issue.

  3. Will@Welly 3

    I watched this interchange, and quite frankly I was embarrassed. John Key, as usual, was not interested in debating the facts.
    Had this been a boxing contest, it was obvious Russel Norman had John Key on ‘the ropes’ several times, and it was only the lame-duck rulings of the Speaker, David Carter, that saved John Key’s bacon. As much as I detested him as a politician, oh for Lockwood Smith to have been there as Speaker – Key would have run out of the Chamber.
    Key cannot debate on anything other than money – that is all he knows, and how to trade it. And how to sack people just because he can – what a little quisling.

  4. Blue 4

    If you look up ‘shallow’ in the dictionary, you will find a pic of John Key. I wonder how John Roughan managed to write a whole book about the guy, although I’m sure his fawning and gushing occupied a rather large part of that.

  5. McGrath 5

    Actually a number is important. If there has been no deaths since exploration began in the 60’s, then what is the issue?

    • vto 5.1

      Yep nah there have never been any maui dolphin deaths caused by human activity – there have only ever been 55 maui dolphins since day dot…

    • Te Reo Putake 5.2

      If it’s that important to you, go and do some research. Any death from human intervention is one too many. Looking forward to reading your findings.

    • weka 5.3

      McGrath, the species is in decline. “Nationally Critical”, which is the highest classification we have. This means they are more at risk now than they were in the 60s, so they need more protection of their habitat. With endangered species it’s not just about deaths, it’s about distruption to mating, breeding, feeding etc. I don’t know what affects the Maui’s dolphin, but if the science shows there is an issue, and the govt is being told by independent scientists, then it’s a significant problem is our PM calls that mumbo jumbo.

      The GP press release says that the issues are harmful seismic surveying and the risks of exploratory drilling.

      https://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/national-minister-misleads-parliament-over-mauis

      • weka 5.3.1

        “According to Dr Norman, expert scientists say seismic surveys, which are part of petroleum exploration, can harm dolphins’ hearing and may push them into unprotected areas where they are more exposed to fishing nets.”

        http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/oil-drilling-threaten-maui-s-dolphin-say-greens-6005594

      • Tracey 5.3.2

        weka

        Many on tge right dont understand how ecosystems work. They are so disconnected from reality they have convinced themselves that they are not part of nature and therefore unaffected by changes in it. Take the bee issue as an example.

        • weka 5.3.2.1

          Very true Tracey, it’s like nature is a machine, so if you get the tech right you can just replace one bit with something else.

          The other thing, that they should understand, is risk assessment. Obviously if a species is in slow decline, then the risk is less, so there is a relationship between vulnerability and impact. But once you get to 55 single animals, then any distruption is going to be problematic. Which makes me think that actually they just don’t give a shit.

          • Tracey 5.3.2.1.1

            wll, john key probably saw one in hawaii, so he doesnt need that experience again…

          • vto 5.3.2.1.2

            weka your point just above about disruption to ecosystems is spot on.

            this is what happens in Africa. It is not the deaths of animals that is causing their decline it the expansion across their habitat by humans that is the greatest cause of declining numbers.

            As per maui here.

            And the right wing fools don’t even bother to think about these things – it is entirely about yelling stupid one-liners.

            • weka 5.3.2.1.2.1

              Much of the species decline in NZ is affected by ecosystem disruption. I suppose to be fair though, most of us were raised in an education system that doesn’t teach systems thinking, and it’s hard for some people to grasp what that is about when the mechanistic world view is so engrained and reinforced.

              Africa… modern humans I guess. There’s some interesting theory that native peoples formed important parts of those ecosystems and the ecosystems have suffered by removing those traditional lifestyles. But yeah, population pressure from humans is a huge issue.

    • Draco T Bastard 5.4

      Thing is, we don’t know how many deaths were caused because we weren’t counting. And there were probably some as the activity does, as has been scientifically proven, affect the dolphins and other marine mammals.

  6. john 6

    I’m surprised you even want to bring this issue up after Cunliffes total cock up by being against it in one tv interview, then embarrassingly having to do a 180 degree turn and completely reverse his position within hours.

    Then you have another prospective Labour MP protesting against Labours own position.

    Or the fact that 18 of 23 rigs in the region that have been allowed in the region went in under a Labour Government.

    It seems nobody has a clue on what’s going on.

    Reminders of the Greens “Hey Clint – what’s our policy on this”

    [lprent: And how is Labour is involved in this post at all? I didn’t write about them. You didn’t explain or link to anything about how Labour was linked to this issue. There is a policy about that kind of trolling for a reason. Four week ban for diversion trolling on my post. The only reason that it wasn’t 3 months was because there was an issue you could have raised, but you needed to raise it rather than troll with it. ]

    • Tracey 6.1

      john

      Bear with me for a moment.

      You know how the ACT party, the conservative party are not the same party as National?. Well, stick with me a while longer, the Green Party is not the labour party, and this is a site for discussing the Left.

      Did you stay with me?

  7. mikesh 7

    It’s about time someone put the question: Is he too thick to understand what is said, or is he just being evasive.

  8. fisiani 8

    key wants to continue oil exploration coal mining forestry and fishing . in other words he wants a successful NZ and is pilloried by jealous critics who cannot understand the centrist way he is working for New Zealand.

    • vto 8.1

      key wants to exploit every resource in the land in the same way that the early primary producers took all the kauri and all the whales, and like the current primary producers are taking all the rivers and mining in all the wild areas

      he has no idea of long term human community and history because he is an extremist

      • Camryn 8.1.1

        I know this is a bit of a nit pick, but I wouldn’t use the term “primary producers” for those who just take like whalers, kauri loggers and miners. They’re “extractors” – they don’t create anything, just extract it from where it is. Farmers are “primary producers” and, although they have an environmental impact too, they’re at least creating a resource rather than just extracting from an existing one.

        And this rivers thing is getting a bit overblown. It’s great that we’re focusing on cleaner rivers, but it’s not so great to blame current farmers for nitrates that didn’t bind 20 years ago. Current practices will lead to much, much cleaner rivers in future. Put another way… there’s a long lag as the environment recovers from past bad practice. Much of the correction in practice has already been done but we don’t see the benefit yet.

        • lprent 8.1.1.1

          I always thought it was about 6 decades, but apparently it is more like 8 decades
          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831475/

          Because of the nature of farming, they don’t fertilize once every 20-30 years. They do it every few years so the leachable nitrates will keep building up in the soil.

          The problem is that killing rivers is pretty damn easy, all you have to do is feed the wrong plants and animals. Keeping them alive is a lot harder because it depends on everyone not treating the river as another ditch and forgetting about the buggers downstream.

          It is a tragedy of the commons issue.

          But with cows the real trick is to simply not allow them near rivers and therefore preventing their defection would get rid of much of the problem. I’d suggest that a simple immediate and automatic confiscation of any cow in a stream bed with no excuses would fix the problem pretty quickly.

          • Camryn 8.1.1.1.1

            I think they’re better at only applying as much nitrate as will bind these days etc… better for the waterways and better economic sense (if it leeches away, it’s not making grass grow). Agree you’ve just got to keep the cows out of the water. There has been a lot of waterways fencing… a huge advance from many farmers not even having effluent ponds back in the day. Growing up, we drank creek water from the back of our farm and I’m sure I drank a lot of our neighbour’s cow shit!

          • Draco T Bastard 8.1.1.1.2

            It is a tragedy of the commons issue.

            No, it’s a tragedy of the lack of regulation.

            Every time the commons has been used by communities there’s been rules and regulations governing how that commons would be used. Capitalism and the fencing off of the commons into privately held land has seen those rules and regulations removed in favour of the landowners doing whatever the hell they like. The result being our polluted waterways.

    • Tracey 8.2

      Because every country that has oil rigs, and coal mines have fiull employment and no public debt.

    • framu 8.3

      he wants to do forestry in a dolphin sanctuary?

      thats just retarded

      i dotn expect you to get the point there fisty

    • Roy 8.4

      A New Zealand that allows critically endangered species to become extinct is not a successful New Zealand.

  9. philj 9

    xox
    There is a suggestion ( sorry no references) that significant Maui dolphins had died from infections of the umbilical cord. Questions have to be asked about compromised immune systems from a degraded, polluted environment? Is there any scientific support for this hypothesis?

  10. meconism 10

    I will say it then: The phrase ‘mumbo jumbo’ is racist. Completely and unalterably racist.

  11. In Vino 11

    Just to make my attitude clearer: I find John Key’s attitude to environmental matters as contemptible as that of most ego-centric right-wingers.

  12. Weepu's beard 12

    When I was a teenager in 1984 my father (a very conservative, establishment man, bless him) said he didn’t like the way David Lange said “gunna” instead of “going to”.

    Well, if that was reason enough to nail your colours to a mast back then, then I don’t know what conservative, establishment men make of our current Pry Mincer today.

    • lprent 12.1

      Yep. When I was doing a lot of canvassing that really is the level that a proportion of the electorate make up their mind on.

  13. Jrobin 13

    Well they have been trained to focus on the personal and the emotional. Corporates put a lot of money into this manipulation, they must be pleased how well it’s all going. I’ll just tune in to the entertainment pages now to see how my celebrity buddies are and what clothes and pets they are displaying. Ooh look she’s had a boob job and eye lash tint and feels sooo jealous of her sister with the new boyfriend……how can reality compete its so harsh and full of sadness.

  14. xtasy 14

    John Key, we respect YOUR MOTHER and her history, and your family’s difficulties, with all respect. What is your position on the disowned people in Palestine, the tortured prisoners there and many middle eastern countries, and what about the poor in many countries?

    What about the many poor in Latin America, Africa and South Asia, also?

    Do you bother to care, or has your personal “poverty story” been just a “personal” biographical experience and NADA else? We would like to know where you stand, dear Mr Key, beyond the rest of New Zealand, if you would care, please.

    We challenge you and sing NOW:

    “Hasta Siempre Commandante, Commandante Che Guevara!”

    You are free to answer and justify, if you can bother!

  15. Jrobin 15

    Sorry xtasy JK doesn’t read or write, without a ghost writer that is.

    • Kiwiri 15.1

      And when that ghost tells him, he will say he can’t recall.

      Or that he doesn’t think that’s right, but he remembers there were some vague things.

  16. dimebag russell 16

    ring ring.
    JK: That’ll be my broker…

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  • New Zealand and Singapore reaffirm ties
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong have marked the first anniversary of the New Zealand-Singapore Enhanced Partnership with a virtual Leaders’ Meeting today. The Enhanced Partnership, signed on 17 May 2019, provides the framework for cooperation across the four main areas of trade, defence and ...
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  • JOINT STATEMENT BY THE PRIME MINISTERS OF NEW ZEALAND AND THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE ON THE FIRST AN...
    On 17 May 2019, New Zealand and Singapore established an Enhanced Partnership to elevate our relations. The Enhanced Partnership – based on the four pillars of trade and economics, security and defence, science, technology and innovation, and people-to-people links – has seen the long-standing relationship between our countries strengthen over the ...
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  • Government investment supports the acquisition of new Interislander ferries
    State-Owned Enterprises Minister Winston Peters has welcomed KiwiRail’s announcement that it is seeking a preferred shipyard to build two new rail-enabled ferries for the Cook Strait crossing. “This Government is committed to restoring rail to its rightful place in New Zealand. Bigger, better ships, with new technology are yet another ...
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  • Better protection for seabirds
    Better protection for seabirds is being put in place with a new National Plan of Action to reduce fishing-related captures, Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash and Conservation Minister Eugenie Sage announced today.   The National Plan of Action for Seabirds 2020 outlines our commitment to reduce fishing-related captures and associated seabird ...
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  • Milestone in cash flow support to SMEs
    Almost $1 billion in interest-free loans for small businesses More than 55,000 businesses have applied; 95% approved Average loan approx. $17,300 90% of applications from firms with ten or fewer staff A wide cross-section of businesses have applied, the most common are the construction industry, accommodation providers, professional firms, and ...
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  • Government protects kids as smoking in cars ban becomes law
    Thousands of children will have healthier lungs after the Government’s ban on smoking in cars with kids becomes law, says Associate Minister of Health Jenny Salesa. This comes after the third reading of Smoke-free Environments (Prohibiting Smoking in Motor Vehicles Carrying Children) Amendment Bill earlier today. “This law makes it ...
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  • Parliament returns to a safe normal
    The special Epidemic Response Committee (ERC) has successfully concluded its role, Leader of the House Chris Hipkins said today. The committee was set up on 25 March by the agreement of Parliament to scrutinise the Government and its actions while keeping people safe during levels 4 and 3 of lockdown. ...
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  • Foreign Minister makes four diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters today announced four diplomatic appointments: New Zealand’s Ambassador to Belgium, High Commissioners to Nauru and Niue, and Ambassador for Counter-Terrorism. “As the world seeks to manage and then recover from COVID-19, our diplomatic and trade networks are more important than ever,” Mr Peters said. “The ...
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  • New Bill to counter violent extremism online
    New Zealanders will be better protected from online harm through a Bill introduced to Parliament today, says Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin. “The internet brings many benefits to society but can also be used as a weapon to spread harmful and illegal content and that is what this legislation targets,” ...
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  • Mycoplasma bovis eradication reaches two year milestone in good shape
    New Zealand’s world-first plan to eradicate the cattle disease Mycoplasma bovis is on track the latest technical data shows, says Agriculture and Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor. “Two years ago the Government, DairyNZ and Beef + Lamb New Zealand and industry partners made a bold decision to go hard and commit ...
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  • New payment to support Kiwis through COVID
    Further support for New Zealanders affected by 1-in-100 year global economic shock 12-week payment will support people searching for new work or retraining Work programme on employment insurance to support workers and businesses The Government today announced a new temporary payment to support New Zealanders who lose their jobs due ...
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  • PGF reset helps regional economies
    The Provincial Growth Fund will play a vital role in New Zealand’s post-COVID-19 recovery by creating jobs in shorter timeframes through at least $600 million being refocused on projects with more immediate economic benefits, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. The funding is comprised of repurposed Provincial Growth ...
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