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John Key’s brighter future

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John Key brighter future

That was two weeks ago. Then today this happened.

97 comments on “John Key’s brighter future”

  1. Bill 1

    I know that milk powder and wet milk are different commodities. But when I read the other day that UK farmers get 30p (about 60c) per litre for wet milk, I immediately thought that NZ farmers have a long way to fall yet.

    And nobody seems to mention that whereas the EU didn’t export milk until recently, it does now. Tell me that won’t have a huge, ongoing impact on global dairy prices.

    • lprent 1.1

      The Europeans are small cheese in the international milk market (groan).

      Look at the US who have probably tripled their portion of the international milk market in about 5 years in response to the very high prices and now provide about 50% of it. They have an enormous internal market, and the bit sloshing over the borders is teeny to that.

      I never understood why anyone thought that producing high cost (ie big herds using feeders) and not very processed (dehydrated powder!) milk products was ever going to make in-roads in the US market.

    • Jimmy 1.2

      Farmers would love 60c/per litre, the current Fonterra forecast of $3.85ms/kg is equivalent of approx 39c/per litre. So its the UK farmers that have a long way too fall.

    • Save NZ 1.3

      Free trade does not helps our farmers.

      Milk prices show the opposite is happening. Milk prices are falling with these trade deals.

      What is instead happening is that the foreigners are not buying our milk they are buying our entire farms and sending our food directly off shore.

      Our farm jobs are gone as the labour is imported in, cheaply.

      Our biggest export is being destroyed under our noses and the government are trying to make it worse by signing the TPP agreement so it can not be stopped and the other agreements.

      Yes, Labour signed the China/NZ one, but who cares, Labour being unclear on the issue is costing Labour, votes and making voters not trust them by saying MAYBE. Just say NO.

      NZ can not buy Chinese Farms but China (and everyone else) can buy NZ Farms. Does not sound fair to me?

      Today Milk solids are forecast $3.85 per kilo.

      When the China/NZ Free trade deal was made in 2008 milk solids were $7.59 per Kilo.

      Yes there is a short term spike which gets the locals into debt and then when the prices fall due to food scares which have increased under these free trade agreements then local farmers start to lose their farms and they are bought up in bulk by our overseas ‘trade’ partners.

      Look at the Kiwifruit industry also decimated under the ‘free’ trade where pollen carrying the virus wiped out the industry.

      The lesson that corporations show from Free trade is Don’t buy the milk when you can buy the cow and even better the farm! Don’t buy the fruit when you can buy the orchard. Don’t hire a Kiwi when you can bring in cheap labour.

  2. dv 2

    There was a report (NBR?) when a dairy farmer with 600 cows has been put into bankruptcy re a debt of 130k by the bank.

    There may be more to it, but that seemed pretty hard nosed of the bank

    • DoublePlusGood 2.1

      Should just herd the cows into the bank and leave them there then.

    • Graeme 2.2

      High likelihood the cows are leased, the farm’s leased too along with the tractor. And he’s down the hole by a few $/Kg. If he’s lucky he might own his undies, that’s if they aren’t part of what’s outstanding on his Farmlands card.

      That sort of structure is quite common now land and stock prices have gone so high. Some people made some silly decisions on the basis of one year at $8.40

    • GMan 2.3

      sad – i saw that to. NBR seem to be helping the banks PR? and maybe manipulating the dollar ??

  3. peterh 3

    The flag will save us

  4. Draco T Bastard 4

  5. My heart goes out to those who will be severely affected by this. You have led up the garden path and now you’ll have to find your own way home, meanwhile the bankers will make more money.

    • North 5.1

      That’s the sickening guts of it MM. All led up the garden path by an effete wannabe All Black, wannabe ‘Little Churchill’, wannabe confidante of the ‘Big O’, wannabe Balmoral courtesan, wannabe patriarch of a St Stephen’s Avenue Parnell ‘New Camelot’, wannabe every bloody thing high on gauche and tasteless. Personally I blame that grande dame of the National Party Michelle Boag and others of her weird ilk.

      Up-market madam like she’s been proselytising for that shrimp of a man for years.

      Now we pay. As The Ponce Key ponces us off ever more vigorously. The “Brighter Future” was always a very subjective thing.

      • CnrJoe 5.1.2

        solid

      • ropata 5.1.3

        right on brother.

      • tracey 5.1.4

        and farmers will keep voting For the Nat band

        • North 5.1.4.1

          They will…….unable to swallow the bitter pill that the fake Everyman they’ve always so craved to “have a beer with…….” was always the Wall Street/City of London hustler…….expertly, beamingly, wooing them through the front door of the glossy edifice of Chez Cargo Cult.

          On the inside……Oops !……big problem…….only the hustler and a select few have a swipe card for the escape door out back. Rejecting the bitter pill, nauseated stomachs will vomit hateful blame over everyone left, the hustler and crew having already departed enriched and beknighted.

          Too late mates……ya did it to ya’selves. No good looking to the poor. They never had anything anyway. The plunder left with your idol !

    • tracey 5.2

      250 to 300 Unitec staff to lose jobs. No government help cos the govt has caused it. spare a thought for these folks too. with families and mortgages in a shrinking job area cos of govt funding squeezes and a strategy to turn techs into factories for certain employers. backdoor employer welfare at the expense of passionate and hard working educators.

      • marty mars 5.2.1

        Yep heartfelt thoughts for all those facing uncertainty and loss of a job. I have been there, I remember the feelings and the fear.

        • tracey 5.2.1.1

          and through it all the genuine concern for students

          • Macro 5.2.1.1.1

            “customers” please!

            It puzzles me how the staff at UNITEC haven’t revolted at this. It changes them from educators, lecturers, and academics to the role of “shop assistants”. And I don’t want to disparage the role of shop assistants – but they have an entirely different role.

            • marty mars 5.2.1.1.1.1

              This shows the inhumanity of these policies and their proponents – they deliberately disregard the human cost to real live humans of their inhuman policies and they ARE inhuman because they revolve around money.

              Sometimes I wish I could pull the whole edifice down.

              • Macro

                I worked in a posh private school once (Horrid place – couldn’t wait to leave) it was a kindergarten to year 13 school and one newly appointed “CEO type” board member decided it would be a good idea if the staff considered the pupils as customers! Imagine a class of 5 year old “customers”! Fortunately he was quickly disabused of this idea.

              • Macro

                Yeah – hate the term “Human Resources” for exactly the same reason – people are people – not resources to be hired and discarded at a whim. The old “Personal Management ” was far better because it acknowledged that this section was actually dealing with people.

                • Based on your experience Macro do you see any connection/parallel between corporate speak and military speak?

                  • Macro

                    My military career ended in 1987 after 15 years in the RNZN and i returned to education. In the Navy I had several staff appointments in Personal roles and the emphasis was always directed towards ensuring the best for people. I remember one time we had been lobbying hard for increased payment for the people serving on our new inshore Patrol Craft. The govt (National at the time) had purchased these vessels and they were as usual the cheapest option. They were not the preferred vessel because they had been designed for the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific has a different wavelength so they were uncomfortable at best. Anyway the pollies were reluctant to give anymore money so the Admiral had the idea that it would be a good thing to bring them to Wellington and show them off to the powers that be. Fortunately there was a bit of a Southerly blowing at the time the dignitaries were taken out for a ride… The rip at the Heads was enough – back safely on land when the subject of hard line money was raised again it was “how much was it you were asking again?”
                    At that time we changed the service conditions from fixed term 8, 12 or 20 years to an open ended engagement. There was a sudden exodus in some trades. The airforce lost a number of pilots at that time to Air NZ, and we lost heavy electrical engineers to the “think big” projects. One of the roles of the Armed forces in Peace time is as a major training provider for the country. Many of the chefs in hotels and cafes around the country gained their City and Guilds qualifications in the Armed Forces for instance. We were the only places one could gain that sort of training in the 1980’s.
                    So in answer to your question – I would say that the corporate world moving into its neoliberal phase was way more involved in the “new speak” of “Human Resources”and the regard of people as units of production than any thought in the military.
                    There is the general idea that ones identity is reduced to a number in the military – and in some ways that is true. The need to become part of a company or unit and subsume ones identity to the body corp is real. But on the other hand the real military leader, is one who recognises the worth of all under his command, endeavors to openly acknowledge that worth, and works towards developing the full potential of all.

                    • Thank you.

                      Yes I was thinking of the whole ‘break them down to build them up’ idea. My brother was a army cadet – I chose Hare Krishna – it was interesting how they were quite similar in many ways.

                    • RedLogix

                      I was on the last research voyage of HMNZS Tui. A trip out of Devonport, and into the Southern Ocean. Then a long slow grid pattern working our way up the West Coast doing some of the very first research on the Great Oceanic Conveyor Current that rises up from the deep in eddies.

                      The first two days out of Auckland we had a quite nasty easterly storm. The first night I was tossed right out of my bunk and across the cabin twice, before I learned what a dodger was for.

                      The second day or so we met one of those offshore patrol boats somewhere off the East Coast. I thought we were having a rough time of it until I saw what those poor bastards were going through!

                      PS But on the other hand the real military leader, is one who recognises the worth of all under his command, endeavors to openly acknowledge that worth, and works towards developing the full potential of all.

                      This. My best ever boss was ex-Air Force.

                    • Macro

                      yeah Tui was a lovely little ship I had my worst mal de mer on her too! lol But fascinating that towed array. I saw the results of that round NZ survey she did – amazing.

                    • Macro

                      You know NZ was gifted her for $1.00! (for those who don’t know she was an ex USN mine sweeper) She had a huge array of batteries for silent running, she was powered normally by diesel electric, and had in her funnel a gas turbine – she could run on her bow thruster as well at around 6 knots. She is now growing coral and sea life off the Northland coast as an artificial reef.

                    • RedLogix

                      My digestion just shut down. I lived on juice for six weeks. Basically she just corkscrewed her way around the ocean.

                      One of my jobs was deploying the PTC (Pressure, Temperature, Conductivity) probe that we were using to plot the eddy structure. About every 20 min we’d stop and a crew guy on the weather deck above me would operate the winch, while I’d lift the probe over the side and we’d let it go for it’s run. The side deck (can’t remember it’s proper name) if you recall was not too far above the ocean.

                      Sometime on the midnight watch a full, solid bluey came right over the top of me. If not for mandatory harness – would not be here typing this. Didn’t even see it coming.

                    • Macro

                      🙂 Sounds like you were having fun 😉 – We were out off the East Coast deploying the towed array, and it was rough but sounds like it was pretty lumpy for your stint.

    • weka 5.3

      “My heart goes out to those who will be severely affected by this. You have led up the garden path and now you’ll have to find your own way home, meanwhile the bankers will make more money.”

      I would put some dairy farmers in the same category as the banks. Speculators. They knew there was a risk and they chose to bet the farm on it. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. It’s inconceivable to me that most wouldn’t know that the people at the end were going to get burnt.

      • marty mars 5.3.1

        Agreed – and they are still people and they will still suffer – for foolishness, greed, ignorance or whatever – they are pretty well just like everyone else in that respect imo.

        • weka 5.3.1.1

          That’s generous of you marty. I feel for the people that are doing the wage slavery in the dairy industry. The big farm owners who aren’t actually farming, not so much (or not any more than I would for say Key or Bennett ).

  6. Skinny 6

    The price of $3.85 is a living. The top dollar price our farmers were getting for many years was never going to last. So as they say “make hay while the sun shines.” Even out over the last 10 years it reads pretty good. The old families will be OK the Johnny come too late not a bright future.

    Guess there will be jobs on night shift at Affco/Talley’s. Straight to the Works after milking and a quick dinner, then 3 hours kip and get the heard into the shed for morning milking.

    • Graeme 6.1

      Which is where the tourism industry has been for the last 5 years, along with the most of the farmers who aren’t involved with dairy because of the high dollar. High because of the money flooding into the country to inflate (oh, I mean invest in) the dairy industry.

      We’ve got a gallery in Queenstown the drop in NZD from nearly USD 90c to 65c has been transformational for us, and I know a lot of people who are a lot happier about the coming season. There’s talk of movies again too.

      Hopefully we’ll get a period of more sustainable growth now the “hot” boom chasing money recovers from this dairy debacle.

      • Skinny 6.1.1

        In a market dictates all World, Kiwi consumers should see a drop in what they pay for their milk, and more importantly a drop in the price of beef in the supermarket’s. I actually noticed the price of Scotch fillet was cheaper today. It maybe a ploy from my local supermarket & Talley’s after I gave notice of our intentions to picket out front in support of the Talleyban? Anyway back on topic, some farmers will clear out their boner cow stock creating a glut similar to the over supply of milk.

        Another cliche “one man’s loss is another man’s gain”.

        The lower south pacific paso is good apart from the gas tank and if your a sucker for unnecessary imported consumer goods.

    • Jimmy 6.2

      Not so sure about that Skinny, it would work if we could have the low price farm input costs of 10years ago.

      • Graeme 6.2.1

        Maybe they’ll be going back to a lower input and cost model, or those that aren’t mortgaged to the hilt and trapped into the high input, marginal cost model might.

        It amazes me that people are banging on about NZ being a low cost producer, we were when pretty much all the feed came of the milking platform and a run-off. And without irrigation, now they are irrigating in traditionally green areas and dairying in dry areas with huge inputs. Going to be a few oopses coming up.

        • tracey 6.2.1.1

          and culling those who chased the high money converting on the basis the golden weather wouldnt end?

          • Jimmy 6.2.1.1.1

            Farmers I know are reverting back to more traditional grass based systems, but even with low input systems, the costs of essential products like fertilizer, supplement contractors, shed power, rubberware, detergents etc, have all increase a lot since 10 years back.
            And yes some will go too the wall, I know of two in Taranaki that the banks will be culling off their books after Christmas, although I shoulder most of the blame on the farmer/owners in this instance not payout.

            • Graeme 6.2.1.1.1.1

              It’s a sad inditement on the leadership in the industry that’s pushed the high input, marginal cost model. The banks and suppliers have made a killing out of saying the only way to make money was to get bigger. It’s all good until you’re in a negative cash flow situation and then it turns really bad really fast, and the finance costs reduce your options.

              Hopefully other industries and leadership groups will look at what’s happened here and learn some lessons, and show some leadership to their industries and the country. Part of this must be business and individuals shouldering responsibility for their decisions. It’s got to land back with the banks, investors and especially Fontera. They have to learn not to do it again.

              But I’m not hopeful, Federated Farmers is calling for the government to expedite irrigation and rural services, http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/351861/govt-urged-fast-track-rural-projects

              So they can produce even more and push the price even lower. They just can’t see what they are doing.

            • RedLogix 6.2.1.1.1.2

              And a few I’ve heard of going back to once a day milking Jimmy.

              And the palm kernel feed issue was never going to be sustainable either. And if more New Zealanders had seen the consequences of clearing tropical rain forest – we might not have been so sanguine about it’s use.

  7. Glenn 7

    According to Gareth Morgan’s site the lower dairy prices will give another boost to Auckland’s already over the top housing market.
    https://garethsworld.com/blog/property/how-lower-dairy-prices-mean-higher-house-prices-whiteboard-friday/?utm_source=Website+Subscribers&utm_campaign=007912f606-talklaunch&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4401a41867-007912f606-53348193

    The lower dairy prices combined with a slowdown of the energy work in Taranaki are already affecting retailers in New Plymouth and things will get worse in the provinces. It’s not just the poor farmers who will be hit.
    The media keep pushing that dairy prices will stabilize and start rising in the not too far off future which I believe is a pipedream. I hope I am wrong however I think with the worldwide overproduction of dairy the drop still has someway to go..
    And Keys TPPA ain’t gonna help.

    • tracey 7.1

      ask the canadian dairy farmers why they have the model they do. its to weather the troughs cos they understand the cycle they are part of.

  8. Tombstone 8

    NZ now facing far greater ecomomic challenges than during the GFC while Key continues to claim that his handling of the economy is something to be proud of …. sure thing John. If you say so.

    • b waghorn 8.1

      Key will just keep importing money via investors.Its his mo

    • dv 8.2

      Nat Debt
      NZ$ 101,740,668,960

      Yes I saw that TS

      Bizarre

      • ropata 8.2.1

        It’s really cool if you are a foreign creditor

      • millsy 8.2.2

        I have a feeling that once Key leaves (probably in 2 or 3 years), his sucessor will probably impose an austerity program that will make Richardson’s Black Budget look like tax-and-spend socialism.

    • maui 8.3

      Will be a real test of leadership. Oh, where’s our leader gone… John.. John.. are you there? Is there anyone there?.. Bill.. Bill?

  9. JanM 9

    I feel very sorry for individual farmers who will face tough times – I have experienced financial ruin at the hands of crooked developers, and being turned into ‘the other’ when the guillotine drops must be one of the more traumatic events that can happen in a lifetime.
    However, there must be some consequence for decades of the arrogance and stubbornness of voting for the Nats in the teeth of logic and with the support of the old boys club of Federated Farmers. Most of my family were/are farmers so I’ve heard all the arguments !
    I live out in the country and feel equally sorry for the cows so cramped in paddocks that they virtually have standing room only – so if this financial blowout stops that at least some good will have been done.

    • Macro 9.1

      I live out in the country and feel equally sorry for the cows so cramped in paddocks that they virtually have standing room only – so if this financial blowout stops that at least some good will have been done.

      QFT.

    • tracey 9.2

      and those who converted when price was high… including those in drought prone areas…

  10. RedLogix 10

    The dairy industry in this country will be just fine.

    It just won’t be owned by many New Zealanders anymore.

  11. keyman 11

    the is also the advent of the us mega dairy farms

    • Skinny 11.1

      I’ve never tasted American milk, I guess it won’t take long after the TPPA is signed.

      • ropata 11.1.1

        American grain-fed beef is really damn delicious.
        i had the best steak ever at a bbq in Hawaii

        • Thom Pietersen 11.1.1.1

          Yup, that’s true – our grass fed cows falling over from bloat and with withered udders taste like shit. Think of the poor coconuts who have the privilege of our ‘prime’ offal cuts.

          Top chaps us Kiwis, no racism here, yum, yum international offcuts – fuck you that’s all that’s on the boat.

          Btw – don’t buy green lid milk – why? It sits at the bottom were there’s less fat in the separation process – unfortunately so does the piss, and the old dears do like a piss when milked. Yummy yummy – straight on my weetbix.

          • marty mars 11.1.1.1.1

            “Think of the poor coconuts who have the privilege of our ‘prime’ offal cuts.”

            What does this mean?

            • Stuart Munro 11.1.1.1.1.1

              On top of the notorious mutton flaps.

              Even a casual glance at Gerry Brownlee tells you that the Gnats have a serious offal surplus – hence Key’s sales pitch “Get some guts”.

              One should not think of Key’s utterances as lies so much as tripe. If you hose the shit off them they can be sold to people you don’t like very much.

      • Macro 11.1.2

        It’s crap – and so is their insipid white butter – yuck!
        NZ butter is yellow because NZ milk contains high levels of carotin the result of our cows feeding on grass. Cows in the States and Canada are fed on corn and have low levels of Carotin in their milk. Americans think we colour our butter and can’t believe it that it is so yellow.
        Carotin converts to Vitamin A and retinal in the body which is why nightfighter pilots were said to eat loads of carrots.

  12. Ad 12

    First tv news prepared to cover a dairy farm foreclosure will open the floodgates on the government.

    First televised farm implement sale will send a shiver down the spines of the banks.

    With Labour apparently unable to win the weeks’ media with a rural story as astoundingly good as the Saudi sheep one, they should give up.

    NZFirst should be left to do all the rural stories, including the dairy collapse.

  13. hoom 13

    Rockstar Economy.
    On the verge of Something Special.

  14. keyman 14

    lets not forget farmers voted john key ,farmers polluted the rivers
    they externalized a lot of there costs to the environment and society ,and lot of them don’t pay tax we should not feel sorry for an industry that has not moved up the value chain failed to diversify and stupidly put all its eggs in one commodity and market.
    the crash of the dairy industry and very shortly the new Zealand economy is major case of we told you so Goldman Sachs has predicted a 10 year glut of milk its not coming back anytime soon. banks are not known for being understanding once you cant pay , government debt is going to rapidly increase as the private credit card is maxed out expect a fire sale of any public assets we have left

    • RedLogix 14.1

      Fire sale of entire country well underway. Pay attention 🙂

    • Draco T Bastard 14.2

      the crash of the dairy industry and very shortly the new Zealand economy is major case of we told you so Goldman Sachs has predicted a 10 year glut of milk its not coming back anytime soon.

      Not coming back soon? It’s not coming back ever. Dairy was the Last Hurrah of our agricultural exports. We’ll keep some high priced niche exports going but from here on out they’re in permanent decline as every other nation that we could afford to sell to is now producing their own and no matter how much National lowers our wages local product will always be cheaper.

      Countries do not and should not specialise.

      That is something that the RWNJs just don’t get and it’s what makes trade a small part of the economy and not something that we should be dependent upon.

      • keyman 14.2.1

        you’re right never and national has squandered the small window between the gfc and today to carry out reform to prepare new Zealand for this day and the future the fault and blame is the john key regime and the john key voters as George bush said these economic terrorists need to be smoked out and removed.

      • Mike the Savage One 14.2.2

        They screwed up long ago, also with dairy. Fonterra and others discovered rather late that one can make more from milk than mere milk powder and baby formula. Instead of learning from European countries, who have a long tradition in making countless high quality cheeses and other food products, all we produce is mostly second rate cheese and camemberts and so forth.

        Value adding was the way to go, and should have been pursued a long time ago, and quality and innovation is the only way to go in dairy.

        As for countries like China, they do not rest and slumber away by dreaming only, they are doing all to increase dairy production at home, like most countries do. It is idiotic for Fonterra and New Zealand farmers and some others to believe that while producing only 2 percent of world dairy, they can somehow be in some control of the world market and have ensured markets to sell to at a good price. Event hough New Zealand is a large exporter, that 2 percent of total production is only marginal.

        And like with dairy, too much is produced and exported from here, that has little value added. I have said this before, apart from some tech areas, New Zealand has an economy not dissimilar from a developing or so called “third world” economy.

  15. Smilin 15

    This another planned development of Global Austerity where the ruling finance corporations call the tune on now the value of commodities and the fact that the costs of war and global security are commanding the premium in the use of currencies to the extent that the west is being devalued in order to write off the losses resulting from military action because the immense cost that cannot be accounted for and this is because we have politicians who rule emotively rather than using what little brain they have to actually to put a country like our own in its true global position on a basis careful action in all facets of govt rather than this adherence to flash in the pan market driven debt based finance system which if this govt looked again how Muldoon dealt with it was far saner than National and Roger Douglas have done since even though Muldoon did commit a major crime in dumping Norman Kirks retirement fund just as this govt has done with Michael Cullens fund .
    The refusal to govern frugally by Keys desire to instill false hope of the nations ability to have a truly measured recovery of the economy is bad management and quite frankly put this nation on the road to ruin by not heeding the warnings that have been around in the last 3 yrs from brains greater than his ego
    Basically Key has been sucking the country dry

  16. Michael 16

    AFAICS, Labour’s “strategy” seems to be: keep silent and motionless; don’t say a word, especially about policy; and wait for enough middle class voters (about 200,000 under MMP, IIRC) to become disenchanted with Key to the point they tick the box for the B team in 2017. Then just walk into the Beehive and take over wherever the Nats (aka the A team) left off. Responsible government, confidence of the business community, horrendous child poverty, blah, blah. Whatever that litany may be, it certainly isn’t the agenda of a progressive social democratic political party that respects the integrity of a democratic political system, or one that respects the people it wants to trust it with office. OTOH, it’s worked before for them.

    • keyman 16.1

      team b will walk in to power in 2017 as the receivers of a trashed looted economy thank you national thank you John key and the greedy fuckers who voted for you I want to see a corruption probe into the national party if law enforcement can confiscate the proceeds of crime why cant we go for these bastards

    • JanM 16.2

      With an openly hostile press constantly at their heels it might be the only way to do things really

      • tracey 16.2.1

        if we added everything up that bas not turned out right… i bet it is a longer list than clarks govt… and it is nothing to do with gfc or earthquake cos those things provided usefull smokescreens for the lack of any real substance…. and still the wrongly named political journalists seem oblivious

    • Graeme 16.3

      It’s really sad that it appears this way, but there’s a huge opportunity for the non government parties to show leadership with this, and steer the country and economy to a sustainable path the respects New Zealand and those that live here.

      The “opposition” has bee doing an excellent job of determining how the country is run this term. It mightn’t look like it sometimes, but they have considerable control over what National can do and how they run things. Sometimes I wonder that the opposition parties aren’t doing better where they are than being on the other side of the house. It’s all about having a better country, and that’s having positive and engaging ideas, and engaging with the government when they get it right.

      A good example was Labour’s stance on the TPP end game. They read the situation very well and gave the govt. the space to say no.

      If they keep this strategy going they will little by little make the Nats look out of the picture and impotent. The 200,000 will slip away from the Nats, or they will have to go full Muldoon trying to keep them, and drive 500,000 away.

      By then it’s game over.

      But to be a progressive Government, we still have to hold that 2-500,000 voters. And that means doing the government thing very well, and for a long time.

      • keyman 16.3.1

        its hard to be progressive when a country is bankrupt that’s where fucken John key is taking us the writing is on the wall they’ve undone the path Helen Clarke put the country on. and done nothing to prepare the country for the years ahead its heart braking and sad

  17. millsy 17

    On a personal note, a couple I know have started a contract milking gig this season. The dairy price stats at the moment, suggest that they have an uphill battle ahead of them, especially given that milk output from the herd is more or less not being what it should be (no reflection on them, they are quite unsure about what is happening).

  18. Mike the Savage One 18

    The solution that the business “experts” and government may have is likely to be more immigration, by letting in more Filipino and other farm workers, who will work for next to nothing. And with many local farmers going bust next year, there will probably be more foreign buyers of farmland taking advantage of the desperate and debt laden farmers. So under the China NZ FTA, it may even be possible to bring in Mainland Chinese farm workers, who are replaced after a stint working here, by other such farm workers.

    As we know from the examples with the workers brought in to repair the faulty trains that Kiwirail bought from China, they may work for little more than a bowl of rice.

    That will “solve” the cost issues that now exist, and thus Key and his “brighter future” government can rub their hands again, saying, there is no crisis, farms have become “competitive” again, through “foreign investment”.

  19. Treetop 19

    John Key’s blighted future.

    Round 2 of the dairy crisis will be China buying up milk solids at a low price and stock piling. As well China has 2 trillion to buy up Aussie and Kiwi farms.

    Fonterra needs to be split into two, a domestic price and an international price. A cheaper domestic price for dairy would lead to a healthier society.

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  • Closer cooperation with Korean horse racing industry
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister for Racing Racing Minister Winston Peters met with Korea Racing Authority Chairperson Nak Soon Kim in Seoul today to discuss closer cooperation between the New Zealand and Korean horse racing industries. As part of the visit to the Seoul Racecourse, Mr Peters witnessed ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Otago to lead digital creativity
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $10 million to establish Otago as the centre of New Zealand’s creative digital industry over the next ten years, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “The initiative will bring us closer to the vision of ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Young Otago students encouraged to take on forestry careers
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF)’s skills and employment programme will help young Otago people into long-term forestry careers, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. Te Ara Mahi will invest $63,000 in the 2020 school year to support eight 17 and 18 ...
    3 weeks ago
  • PGF backing Dunedin’s waterfront ambitions
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) will support local plans to revitalise and stimulate economic development opportunities in Otago, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. The four Regional Economic Development Ministers have approved an in-principle investment of $19.9 million towards the region’s ...
    3 weeks ago
  • M. Bovis eradication progress welcomed
    Mark Patterson, Spokesperson for Primary Industries New Zealand First is pleased to have received the Technical Advisory Group (TAG) report on the Coalition Government’s Mycoplasma bovis eradication efforts, which shows significant progress in the fight against the disease. New Zealand First Spokesperson for Primary Industries, Mark Patterson, says the report’s findings ...
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  • PGF boosts Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sector
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development Hon David Parker, Minister for Trade and Export Growth The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing to support economic growth opportunities for Otago’s engineering and manufacturing sectors, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones and Trade and Export Minister David Parker announced today. Almost $20 million ...
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  • Minister Peters discusses Pacific challenges and denuclearisation in Seoul
    Rt Hon Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Foreign Minister Winston Peters and his South Korean counterpart, Kang Kyung-wha, discussed in Seoul today opportunities to work more closely in the Pacific and the situation on the Korean Peninsula. Mr Peters and Minister Kang confirmed New Zealand and the ...
    3 weeks ago
  • PGF supports high speed broadband for marae at Parihaka Pa
    Hon Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development  Hon Nanaia Mahuta, Minister for Māori Development The three marae in the historic Parihaka Pa complex in Taranaki have been upgraded to high speed broadband with the support of the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF), Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “Connecting the ...
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  • Further support for Samoan measles outbreak
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has announced further support as the Government of Samoa responds to a serious measles outbreak. “New Zealand will deploy a further 18 vaccination nurses, bringing the total to 30 working in Samoa over the next four weeks,” Mr Peters said. “A New Zealand Medical Assistance ...
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  • Speech to the Child Poverty Action Group 2019 Summit
      Fa’atalofa atu, malo e lelei, Kia ora koutou katoa Thank you to the Child Poverty Action Group for asking me to be here today to provide an update on some of the things that have been happening across my the social development portfolio.  Can I firstly acknowledge the vast ...
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  • Speech to the New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Annual Conference
    ***Please check against delivery*** Good morning everyone. It is a pleasure to be with you this morning to open this year’s New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing Conference and AGM. Firstly, thank you Dr Alan Jackson, NZTR Chair for your introduction. And let us acknowledge also: The NZTR Board; Dean McKenzie, Chair ...
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  • Fairer rules for tenants and landlords
    The Government has delivered on its promise to the over one million New Zealanders who now rent to make it fairer and more secure, Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing) Kris Faafoi has announced today. Both renters and landlords will benefit from the suite of practical changes to the Residential ...
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  • Two decades of marine protection celebrated at Te Tapuwae o Rongokako in Tairawhiti
    A marine conservation milestone - the 20th anniversary of the establishment of Te Tapuwae o Rongokako Marine Reserve - is being celebrated today at a community event in Tairāwhiti/East Coast attended by the Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “The creation of this marine reserve in November 1999 was a game ...
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  • Food industry asked to step up fight against obesity
         The Government is asking the food industry to step up work to tackle obesity including reducing sugar, fat and salt in their products, better information for consumers, and tighter restrictions on advertising to children. Health Minister David Clark and Food Safety Minister Damien O’Connor have responded to a ...
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  • Modern emergency care for Queenstown area
    ew, modern emergency department and outpatient facilities at Queenstown’s Lakes District Hospital mean better emergency care for the growing tourist mecca’s visitors and locals, says Health Minister David Clark. Today Dr Clark officially opened the hospital’s redeveloped Emergency Department and Outpatient facilities. The new facilities include: •    An extended Emergency Department ...
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  • Contraception important for New Zealanders
    Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter says today’s release of sexual and reproductive health data reinforces the significance of the Government’s commitment to providing free or very low-cost contraception. The Ministry of Health today published statistics from the Ministry of Health’s 2014/15 Health Survey. “It is important people can make ...
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  • NZ medical staff and measles vaccines going to Samoa
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced that at the request of the Samoan Government, New Zealand will be providing further support to Samoa as it faces a worsening measles outbreak. “In response to a request from the people of Samoa, New Zealand is providing 3000 measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) ...
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  • Disability Action Plan 2019 – 2023
    “The new Disability Action Plan 2019–2023 moves us towards the inclusive and accessible New Zealand that this government has committed to,” Minister for Disability Issues Carmel Sepuloni announced today.  “The Action Plan was designed by disabled people, their family and supporters, the disability sector and government agencies. It will ensure ...
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  • Joint Statement – Third Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting
    Third Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting 14 November 2019 Joint Statement 1. Defence Ministers Ron Mark and Dr Ng Eng Hen today conducted their third annual Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting in Singapore. 2. Building on the Enhanced Partnership signed between both countries in May this year, this annual meeting ...
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  • Sexual Violence Legislation Bill has its first reading
    A Bill to improve the court system’s response to sexual violence has passed its first reading in Parliament today. Justice Minister Andrew Little says the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill will reduce the trauma sexual violence complainants experience in court, while maintaining defendants’ fundamental rights and making sure the trial process ...
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  • Streamlined business invoicing a step closer
    Streamlined payment practices are a step closer for Kiwi businesses with the formal launch of New Zealand’s e-Invoicing framework. Small Business Minister Stuart Nash says the government has now established the structure to enable automated and direct data exchange between the accounting systems of buyers and sellers. “The move to ...
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  • More frontline biosecurity officers protecting NZ
    Another 51 quarantine officers and four new biosecurity detector dog teams will help protect New Zealand from invasive pests and diseases this summer, says Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor. “The Government is delivering on its commitment to strengthen New Zealand’s biosecurity system and support our valuable primary sector “New Zealand’s flora, fauna ...
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  • NZ space economy worth $1.69 billion
    A new report has found New Zealand’s space sector contributed $1.69 billion to the economy in the last financial year and employs 12,000 people, Minister for Economic Development Phil Twyford announced today. The report by Deloitte was commissioned by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and shows New Zealand ...
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  • New Chair for Royal Commission into Abuse
    Judge Coral Shaw has been appointed as the new Chair of the Royal Commission into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. "Judge Shaw, who is currently one of the inquiry commissioners, is extremely well qualified for the ...
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  • Better mental health facilities for Palmerston North
    The Government has confirmed its third major mental health facility upgrade since the Budget, this time at Palmerston North Hospital. The Prime Minister and Health Minister today visited MidCentral DHB to announce that $30 million has been allocated to upgrade its acute mental health facility. It follows earlier announcements in ...
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  • Bowel Screening hits halfway point
    The roll out of the National Bowel Screening Programme has reached the halfway mark, with 10 out of 20 District Health Boards now part of the programme. MidCentral DHB, which covers Palmerston North, Manawatu and surrounding districts, this week became the latest to DHB to offer free bowel screening to ...
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  • More vaccines for meningococcal disease
    The Government welcomes PHARMAC’s decision to fund a vaccine to protect young people from meningococcal disease from 1 December this year. “Meningococcal disease is a serious threat which people at higher risk should be protected from,” says Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter. “The combined pharmaceutical budget was increased by ...
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  • Fisheries innovation projects supported
    Groups involved with innovative fisheries research projects are encouraged to apply for government support in the latest funding round from the Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures programme. Fisheries Minister Stuart Nash says the SFF Futures funding is designed to be flexible enough to support small or large projects across a ...
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    5 days ago
  • Government fixes culturally arranged marriage visa issue
    The Government has fixed an issue affecting how Immigration New Zealand has processed visa applications for culturally arranged marriages, which will now see a consistent process applied which ensures people with legitimate arranged marriages can visit New Zealand while also preventing any rorting of the system. Earlier this year Immigration ...
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  • Extension for Royal Commission into Mosque attacks
    The Royal Commission into the Attacks on Christchurch Mosques will report back on 30 April 2020 to give it more time to hear submissions and consider information, Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The Royal Commission was originally scheduled to report back to Government by 10 December 2019. “There has ...
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  • Terrorism and Trade on agenda as Foreign Minister visits the United States
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters will travel to Washington DC today to attend a ministerial meeting focused on defeating ISIS, and to continue pursuing New Zealand’s trade opportunities. Mr Peters will participate in a meeting of Foreign and Defence Ministers from key countries contributing to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS. ...
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  • Hoiho get extra support alongside 168 community conservation groups backing nature
    The recently crowned Bird of the Year, the hoiho/yellow eyed penguin, is getting a much needed helping hand alongside more than 168 other community conservation projects announced Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage today. 168 community conservation projects throughout New Zealand are benefiting from $8 million in government grants, including $500,000 ...
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  • New safety measures for modified pistols
    Controls on assault rifles and semi-automatic firearms are to be broadened to include some types of pistols, under changes to a bill currently making its way through Parliament. Police Minister Stuart Nash has tabled a Supplementary Order Paper to the Arms Legislation Bill, which is currently before a Select Committee ...
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  • Minister of Defence to visit Singapore and Thailand
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark will travel to Singapore today to conduct a counterpart visit and to co-chair the third annual Singapore-New Zealand Defence Ministers’ Meeting with his counterpart, Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen. “Singapore is one of our most important defence partners in the region, and our ...
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  • Future secured for Salisbury School
    Nelson’s Salisbury School is to be rebuilt, creating a modern and suitable learning environment for students at the residential special school, Education Minister Chris Hipkins and Associate Education Minister Tracey Martin announced today. The school for girls aged 8-15, in Richmond, was earmarked for closure by National until the process ...
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  • Resource management reform options released
    The panel undertaking a comprehensive review of the Resource Management Act has identified the main issues to be addressed and options for reform and is calling for feedback to inform its final report.  In July the Government announced the comprehensive review of the resource management system, including the RMA - ...
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  • Criminal Cases Review Commission established
    An important safety valve has been added to New Zealand’s criminal justice system with the third reading of the Criminal Cases Review Commission Bill today. The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) will investigate claimed miscarriages of justice. “We’ve seen how our justice system can very occasionally get things spectacularly wrong, ...
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  • Racing Industry destined to be on-track
    Racing Minister Winston Peters welcomes the tabling of the Racing Industry Transition Agency (RITA) 2019 Annual Report in Parliament today. He says the 2019 Annual Report marks the point when New Zealand’s racing industry’s decline was arrested and a turnaround started. RITA’s 2019 Annual Report recorded an industry net profit ...
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  • New Zealand firefighter support to Queensland
    The New Zealand Government is today sending 21 firefighters to help fight the ongoing catastrophic Australian bushfires. “The fires in Australia are in some of the toughest, most challenging conditions ever,” says Internal Affairs Minister Tracey Martin.  “As of yesterday morning, there were 100 active bushfire-related incidents across Queensland and ...
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  • Supporting all schools to succeed
      More frontline support for schools through a new education agency, as part of a redesigned Ministry of Education More support for principals and school boards including through a new centre of leadership and local leadership advisor roles New independent disputes panels for parents and students Management of school property ...
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  • Reform to support better outcomes for Māori learners and whānau
    The Government’s reform of the Tomorrow’s Schools system is a watershed moment in education and an opportunity to create meaningful change for ākonga Māori and their whānau, Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis said today. “Last year through Kōrero Mātauranga | Education Conversation, Māori teachers, parents, ākonga, whānau, hapū and iwi ...
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  • Infrastructure pipeline growing
    Infrastructure Minister is welcoming the first of many updated project pipelines from the newly established New Zealand Infrastructure Commission today. The New Zealand Infrastructure Commission, Te Waihanga, has released an expanded pipeline of major capital projects – another crucial step towards delivering better infrastructure outcomes. “The first iteration of the ...
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    6 days ago
  • Tighter firearms law to further improve safety
    Tougher gun laws designed to improve public safety through firearms prohibition orders are proposed in a new document released for public input. Police Minister Stuart Nash says firearms prohibition orders (FPOs) would give new powers to Police to ensure high-risk individuals come nowhere near firearms. “We have already prohibited the ...
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    1 week ago
  • New TVNZ chair & directors confirmed
    Andy Coupe has been confirmed as TVNZ’s new Board Chair. “Mr Coupe has strong commercial and capital markets experience and TVNZ has benefited from his technical knowledge of business and finance, as well as his extensive governance experience,” the Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media Kris Faafoi said.  Andy ...
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  • Hutt Road cycle path officially opened
    Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter today officially opened a separated pathway, following the completion of the Kaiwharawhara Stream bridge, which will improve safety for cyclists and pedestrians along Hutt Road.  The $6.8m Hutt Road project provides a separated path for cycling and pedestrians, the replacement of informal parking ...
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  • Announcement of new Ambassador to Russia
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters today announced the appointment of career diplomat Si’alei van Toor as New Zealand’s next Ambassador to Russia. “I’m pleased to appoint Ms van Toor to this position. She brings a wealth of experience to the role having previously served as Senior Trade Adviser to the ...
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  • Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update
    The Treasury’s 2019 Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update (HYEFU) will be released on Wednesday December 11, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Coalition Government will publish the 2020 Budget Policy Statement at the same time, outlining the priorities for Budget 2020. Further details on arrangements for the release will ...
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  • Giving a Boost to Kiwi small businesses
    A new initiative to better support small businesses through hands-on mentoring and advice has been launched by the Minister for Small Business. The first event in the Kiwi Business Boost series of regional workshops and online tools has been launched in Wairoa by Stuart Nash. “The Business Boost initiative combines ...
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