Joyce’s multi billion dollar budget hole

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1. adam 1

   29 November 2017 at 2:20 pm

   Well we now have a good reason to not buy them.

   We can’t afford them, and it’s Joyce’s fault.
2. Macro 2

   29 November 2017 at 2:23 pm

   When Steven counts 3 + 3 and gets 5 he is relaxed about that, because it is “Pretty Close”.
   Why he ever was given the task of keeping the Government accounts will forever remain a mystery.
3. You_Fool 3

   29 November 2017 at 2:36 pm

   SO Joyce was right after all! He said that there was a hole in the finances, he just meant the PREFU where his government had omitted major spending. If oly we had known before hand how trustful these National lot were…
4. One Anonymous Bloke 4

   29 November 2017 at 3:03 pm

   As predicted.

   How did this escape the PREFU?
   • RedLogix 4.1

     29 November 2017 at 3:57 pm

     Exactly. It’s clear that Joyce knew more than he was willing to admit to. So exactly what is the chain of accountability if and when it’s shown he was complicit in falsifying the PREFU?
     • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1

       29 November 2017 at 4:12 pm

       Brownlee was MoD. I expect Joyce managed to kick over the traces.
       • JC 4.1.1.1

         29 November 2017 at 5:04 pm

         “New Zealand Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee launched the Defence Capability Plan 2016, detailing the NZ$20 billion investment in capability needed out to
         2030 …. ” (Nov 2016)

         http://www.defenseworld.net/news/17677/New_Zealand_To_Upgrade_P_3_Orion__Replace_Frigates__Aircraft__Purchase_Modern_Weapons#.Wh4uW1WWbZ4

         Yet … as of April 2017 ” the Defence Force said the government had not yet committed to any sale.” ..

         Joyce’s fingers in the till then?

         https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/329763/defence-force-considers-deal-for-four-new-aircraft

         With “New Zealand First leader Winston Peters said he was concerned the reduction from a fleet of six to four would cut the country’s patrol aircraft by a third. and Asked how four aircraft could cover the area New Zealand is responsible for, which extends from Antarctica to north of the equator and from the mid-Tasman Sea to east of the Cook Islands.”

         I wonder what Hansard would say …? Watch this space
5. tc 5

   29 November 2017 at 3:08 pm

   Interested to see how this gets handled given the ever present DP media shills dotted about the place.

   Hopefully the sheeple go off at xmas with a clear message from jacinda as to the wrecking job done across the board so the bbq chats arent all ZB Mediawonks dog whistling memes.
6. Ad 6

   29 November 2017 at 3:14 pm

   Ka-ching!

   When Goff was Minister of Defence I wrote and asked him if on the successive regional Anniversary days he could parade all those Light Armoured Vehicles and new patrol ships up our main streets and harbours.

   Show off to taxpayers and citizens what all that capital was tied up in.

   Unfortunately he was just too shy with the gold epaulettes and Aviator glasses to get the idea, but I’m sure Ron Mark would be in to it. I’ll try Ron. I just know coming home he salutes his dog at the door.
7. OncewasTim 7

   29 November 2017 at 4:19 pm

   That’s a bloody big hole we’ll need to cater for its excrement!
   Perhaps a PPP treatment plant?
   Any gNat interested in ‘vesting, going forward’??
8. greg 8

   29 November 2017 at 4:33 pm

   we always suspected nacts were cooking the books there will be more to come
   • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1

     29 November 2017 at 4:56 pm

     “what we’ve discovered in the school properties portfolio”, for example.

     We have to deal with the extraction that is afoot…

     It’s “at work on our country right now.”
9. Draco T Bastard 9

   29 November 2017 at 4:45 pm

   This has left Labour facing a multi-billion dollar hit to its budgets each year over the next 13 years if it decides to go ahead with the programme which apart from replacing the Orions calls for replacing the Hercules and 757 transport aircraft and the Navy’s frigates.

   And is pretty much essential.

   We really do need a defence force with modern capability.

   The money would come from the capital investment account which means it will not directly impact on Government operating expenses but rather its impact would be on Government borrowing.

   The government, being the issuer of the countries currency, never needs to borrow. The fact that they do so is due to the lies told by the private sector for their own benefit and the economists who mostly don’t understand money (or the economy for that matter).
10. eco maori 10

    29 November 2017 at 4:55 pm

    Well I was waiting for joyce bullshit to surface this was predictable national can’t help but try and lie and cheat.
    And they try and make everyone toe the line. Look at simon bridge he can not talk straight with his crooked lisp all that comes out of that boys mouth is bullshit war is for idiots we just need to have gear to help in a natural disaster not a war leave that to the idiots Ana toa kai
    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1

      29 November 2017 at 5:03 pm

      If we leave violence to idiots only idiots will be able to do violence, and then who will defend you from the idiots?

      Idiocy requires restraint.
      • Draco T Bastard 10.1.1

        30 November 2017 at 10:03 am

        +111

        Dissolution of the armed forces is a nice idea but the world isn’t nice.
      • eco maori 10.1.2

        30 November 2017 at 4:09 pm

        If we stopped glorifing war and stopped making movies on war stopped celebrating war the wealthy start wars and the poor have to fight in a war started by some idiots who can’t see the the big pictures which is we are all human full stop. Maori lost a lot of good leaders going to war for the west and came home to get kicked in the private parts Kia kaha
        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1.2.1

          30 November 2017 at 4:18 pm

          I agree. War is stupid and useless, which is a good reason to study it closely.

          The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Sun Tzu.
11. Liberty4NZ 11

    29 November 2017 at 5:16 pm

    So the guy hit by a fake cock is whining about N.Z. being hit by a fake hole. Frued would have a field day.
12. Booker 12

    29 November 2017 at 5:21 pm

    And just think: we have Winston to thank for saving us from Joyce being the country’s finance minister.

    Just remember kids, failing 8 finance and economics papers at university doesn’t mean you can’t run the country’s books in the National party.
    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      30 November 2017 at 10:05 am

      Just remember kids, failing 8 finance and economics papers at university doesn’t mean you can’t run the country’s books in the National party.

      He had the same ideology as National and that means it was all good. As far as they were concerned he’d make the ‘right’ decisions and that was all that mattered.
13. garibaldi 13

    29 November 2017 at 6:36 pm

    This is a bigger issue than Golriz, so let’s see how the media manages to ignore it and concentrate on excoriating the Greens.
14. cleangreen 14

    29 November 2017 at 8:02 pm

    Steven Joyce = “an orchestrated litany of lies”

    Now where have I heard that before??????

    Oh of course: – !!!!!; – That was when another ‘tory’ Government “ruled over us” right?
    1977-79 era.
    Justice Mahon ruled over the Air NZ ‘Royal Commission enquiry over AirNZ’s flimsy excuse for the fatal flight 901 over Mt Erobus.

    Seemed like the pattern of lies doesn’t change with these right wing Governments does it?

    I was very very sadened then to feel for those bereaved families who lost their loved ones then.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_New_Zealand_Flight_901
    • JC 14.1

      29 November 2017 at 8:56 pm

      Wash your mouth out please CG.

      And please don’t ever againcompare the two!

      Justice Mahon got screwed over very early! In an attempt to tell the Truth!

      Pre Dirty Politics. But the same agenda ..fort back

      https://www.nzgeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/100_Erebus_09-600×564.jpg

      http://www.erebus.co.nz/investigation/mahonreport.aspx

      https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/erebus/
      • JC 14.1.1

        29 November 2017 at 9:12 pm

        Edit! My clumsiness in haste!

        (Fought)

        Something : He would not have done!

        https://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/peter-thomas-mahon-qc-1923-%E2%80%93-1986/
15. Tricledrown 15

    29 November 2017 at 10:24 pm

    Do we need all this equipment.
    Frigates are going to be really expensive.
    The Hercules replacements like wise the P8.
    We should cut all the numbers down as the cost of running bigger more modern equipment may be more expensive to.
    • Draco T Bastard 15.1

      30 November 2017 at 10:10 am

      Do we need all this equipment.

      We really need more. Our defence forces are not where they need to be in terms of capability.

      As for expense: That’s just par for the course of being a nation. We need the capability to defend ourselves. It’s expensive but if we made the gear ourselves it would be less so and would also have major spin-offs for the economy.
16. tracey 16

    30 November 2017 at 7:51 pm

    So the Nats covered up a hole which meant it had committed future money meaning the new government cant keep alot of promises? How to be in Govt while in Opposition?
17. tracey 17

    30 November 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Key lying to win an election in 2014 and Joyce in 2017…

    Have the media foubd Key for comment? He used to love a photo op

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