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Julian Assange and the Streisand Effect.

Written By: - Date published: 6:45 pm, January 7th, 2019 - 161 comments
Categories: Abuse of power, capitalism, class war, crime, Deep stuff, Ethics, International, law, Media, suppression orders, you couldn't make this shit up - Tags: , , ,

One of the weirdest episodes in the history of Wikileaks is playing out right now.

The anti-democracy organisation, who are too chicken to challenge capital but are paid to lower trust in state institutions, have sent a group of media outlets a list of 140 things they are ‘not allowed to say’ about accused rapist and bail dodger Julian Assange.

The full list has not yet been published (and the so called transparency organisation ironically refuses to release it). However, it won’t be long before the Assange 140 is public knowledge.

It’s the Streisand Effect.

Whenever a public figure threatens to sue for defamation, the ‘net instantly wants to know what the supposedly false claims are.

Whether they’re true or not ceases to be the point. We all just want to laugh at the person stupid enough to publicise the things they wanted hidden.

For Assange, this could be devastating. On a human level, I can emphasise with a person who has locked themselves away from normal human contact for years. It’s bound to be depressing holing up in a couple of small rooms in a vain attempt to avoid justice.

No wonder he couldn’t even look after his cat properly or, as is alleged, get around to washing himself.

This threat to journalists’ free speech will fail, as it should. Any media outlet put on notice by Wikipedia’s lawyers should simply use the celebrated response in Arkell v. Pressdram.

Fuck off.

In the meantime, the world is sniggering at Wikileaks’ naivety.

And waiting for the list of 140 things to be released.


UPDATE: The list of 140 Things We Must Not Say about Julian Assange has been promptly leaked. It’s a wild ride; it flits effortlessly from the fair enough to pompous flights of fantasy. And thanks so much Wikileaks for leaving me with the image of Jules wandering into meetings in his underwear. And to be clear, his mum was never a hippy. Got that? 

(Tip of the TS hat to spotter Andre)







161 comments on “Julian Assange and the Streisand Effect.”

  1. Ed 1

    Assange and Wikileaks were heroes for telling us the truth about Iraq war. Are you trying to provoke a reaction from some of us with this inflammatory post?

    • Andre 1.1

      They got lucky when Manning dumped in their laps the info she obtained at great personal risk and subsequent cost. This stroke of luck gave Assange and Wikileaks a reputation that far exceeded their reality. Manning’s a hero, Wikileaks and Assange were just the middlemen ticket-clippers.

      They have then abused the privileges accorded them by that undeserved reputation, both in personal relations, and their attempts to undermine the society, ideals and institutions that allowed Wikileaks to even exist, let alone thrive.

      Apparently they have done this in service of a hostile foreign power that, if Wikileaks tried their shit against that hostile foreign power in that power’s territory, would be extraordinarily lenient in just throwing everyone involved in Wikileaks into particularly nasty prisons for the rest of their lives, in solitary. Deaths would be the far more likely outcome.

  2. Morrissey 2

    The anti-democracy organisation…



    The credibility of your site is at stake if you allow this trash to remain up.

    [lprent: It is an opinion. If you don’t like it, then explain why it is wrong or ask the author to explain further why he thinks that to be the case. Just don’t whine about it. Incidentally I’d suggest you read the About.

    We’re a cooperative who saw a gap in the New Zealand political blogosphere and decided that we should have a go at filling it here at The Standard blog site. We write here in our personal capacities and the opinions that are expressed on the blog are individual unless expressly stated otherwise (see the policy). We do not write on behalf of any organization.

    😈 ]

    • McFlock 2.1

      [gets popcorn]

      • Morrissey 2.1.1

        Ye-e-e-es. Mr Putake has been ominously quiet. I’m expecting a terrifying entrance some time later this evening…

        • te reo putake

          Nah, it’s all good, Moz. Though I’d appreciate it people would focus on the post, rather than the author. For example, is it cool that Wikileaks are trying gag reporters?

          • Morrissey

            “Reporters”? You mean like Luke Harding? That kind of “reporter”?

            • Ed

              The leaks about the Integrity Institute show that many in the media are little more than typists for MI5.

        • McFlock

          Pfft. You wish TRP sees it first, what with invoking the name of the almighty like that…

          • Morrissey

            To be honest, I thought he’d swoop in like Bishop Brennan does on the hapless denizens of the Craggy Island presbytery.

            He’s in an unusually mellow mood, however.

    • Ed 2.2

      There are other examples of highly emotive language in this article.
      I believe it was written to get a reaction.

      John Pilger has an entirely different view of Assange and Wikileaks..

      As does George Galloway.

      As does John Wight.
      View at Medium.com

      As does Chris Hedges.

      I respect all of their informed and well researched opinions.

      • Morrissey 2.2.1

        As do Noam Chomsky, Glenn Greenwald, Nicky Hager…. in fact anyone who looks at this case with a fair and unbiased mind.

        • Ed

          This is an unbelievable post……

          • Stunned mullet

            No this is an unbelievable post.

            “The pallid shitstirring Australian phony has shafted his friends, stolen data and is still evading justice in plain sight. It’s not as if his release of gigabytes of mildly sensitive classified material has actually changed anything other than get him the odd headline, though perhaps it did contribute a little to Trump’s election victory by adding a small turd to Hillary’s bouquet of shite. For all the publicity, and for all the adoration of the flaccid-left snowflake tendency, he’s been pretty fucking useless at doing what he says he’s trying to do.

            And there he is, still squatting in the Ecuadoran Embassy – the only place that would have him after jumping bail (not his money, but his friends’) and running for cover. The Swedish rape case has been dropped, but the fact remains he broke UK bail conditions while it was current, and while he was being detained with a view to extraditing him. So the police have a legitimate interest in feeling his collar.

            To cut to the chase…or in this case, the stay-put. After having been treated very honourably by the Ecuadoran staff, given apparently rent-free accommodation, Internet connection to pursue his self-aggrandising schemes, and even a cat, the Embassy decided that it really couldn’t permit a political propagandist to operate from diplomatic territory, cut off the internet and later made some rules for Assange to follow as a condition of its restoration. These included not behaving like a 14-year-old in a tantrum (admittedly Assache always behaves like this), keeping his room clean and looking after the fucking cat, por el amor de Dios.”


            • Ed

              Who wrote that? The title is repulsive.

              Is it written by intellectual giants like Chomsky and Hedges or experienced and well researched journalists like Greenwald, Pilger and Hager?

          • mauī

            Ed, I fear this post is a trap. Some revel in the punishment of Assange and will no doubt enjoy dishing it out to Gallowytes too. We don’t want to lose you again.

            • Morrissey

              This is the sort of garbage that was dished out in Red China in the 1960s. “Kerry” and Bazza64″ would have made ideal Red Guards.

              • Bazza64

                I can’t disagree with that comment. Mao is my main man !

                • Morrissey

                  Sorry, Bazza, I’ve just had another look at your 8:28 pm post and I see your comment was nothing like I thought it was at first glance.

                  Please accept my profound apologies. It’s too late now for me to edit it, unfortunately.

            • Ed

              Thank you, Maui. I did wonder the same.
              OK – I’ve said my piece.
              Radio silence from now on on this post.

              • Morrissey

                Good idea. I’d better butt out too. I’ve already accidentally shot poor old Bazza.

            • te reo putake

              If it was trap, Ed already fell into it, Maui. I appreciate that any criticism of the rapey one sets some folk off, however, if the comments are about the subject, there’s no problem. You, Moz and Ed have all had a bleat about the author, now howabout you discuss the issue. Which, in short, is a supposed transparency organisation trying to lawyer journalists into silence. Any opinions on that?

              • Morrissey

                Criticism is fine. Calling him “the rapey one” is nothing but a lie. A filthy Government-sponsored lie, which makes it as despicable as any lie has ever been.

                • I’m going with his victim’s accounts, at least until the allegations are tested in court and disproved. Just kidding, Assange doesn’t ever want to the truth to come out.

                  • Ross

                    I’m going with his victim’s accounts

                    Please don’t ever serve on a jury, you don’t seem to know the difference between allegations and facts. If someone has been wrongly accused of a vile crime, that would make the accused the victim.

                    BTW, Assange has never been charged with rape, and Sweden are not interested in investigating that matter. It seems like Swedish prosecutors have doubts about the “victims'” accounts.

                    • I’ve served on juries. Did my civic duty to the best of my abilities. My position on Assange, Spacey, Weinstein et al is the alleged victims get my support at least until the cases are heard and the decisions made. That doesn’t stop accused people defending themselves and denying the accusations. The difference between Assange and Spacey and Weinstein is that the latter two at least had the guts to front court. Assange doesn’t.

                      Given what we know about the chronic under-reporting of sexual assault cases, changing the default setting to believing victims until proven otherwise, rather than believing the accused until proven otherwise is a necessary step. Victims of sexual assault need to have trust that they will be taken seriously. That starts with men not automatically leaping to the defence of other men.

                  • Morrissey

                    Other than the political dissenter who is the target of destruction, there were, and are, no victims in this fantastic case, which could have come out of 1930s Soviet Russia or 1950s China.

                    I note, by the way, that there is another case, a little closer to this country, of someone under siege by another rogue state—an ally of the states trying to destroy Assange. Has Greg Presland expressed his amusement at the plight of Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun yet?

                    And if not, why not?

                  • Dennis Frank

                    I’ve tended to the same stance. Partly classic sympathy for the underdog, partly opposition to patriarchal beliefs & behaviour, but also from what I heard from my ex-partner. She did sexual-abuse counselling for many years, and was also coordinator of a team of such counsellors (more than a dozen).

                    Details of the accounts are confidential, and she was reluctant to discuss cases. Truth must out, however, when the public interest requires it. It can be extracted via privacy protection, in a generalised account of what happened. Case details are sometimes so horrific that they cannot be reported in the media.

                    Since I was making news & current affairs stories for TVNZ for about ten of the nineteen years we were together, I was well-aware of the professional constraints around reporting sexual abuse. Privacy law operates to cover up damage done. Ostensibly it is designed to protect victims. Consequently everyone is in denial of the cover-up. As a result, everyone has a sanitised view of the problem.

  3. Kerry 3

    Finally….some sense about Assange…..rather then the brown nosing sycophants who think the aussie weasel is a good guy………he needs to stop hiding and be a man.

    • Morrissey 3.1

      A lot of unimaginative abuse there, mon ami—but nothing to indicate you have the slightest clue about this matter.

      Could you explain why he’s a “weasel” for showing this to the world?

    • aom 3.2

      Somehow one might suspect that if a male Kerry, it’s odds on you may also been guilty of the rape charges of the nature of those that are no longer being faced by Assange. The alleged offences were pretty technical since there was consent to intimacy and the issue centered around the use of a condom. In reality, it is obvious the cases were re-instituted under duress to appease a US government, inconvenienced by the evidence of war crimes being exposed by Wikileaks. If however, you think that he should hand himself over to the US for exposing their duplicity, hypocrisy and contravention of the rules of warfare knowing that he would face a kangaroo court – would you? Clearly, the issues go beyond your trite description of ‘brown nosing sycophants’ which, as an arsehole, you would probably secretly enjoy.

      • McFlock 3.2.1

        it’s odds on you may also been guilty of the rape charges of the nature of those that are no longer being faced by Assange.

        Bit of a glass-house:stone-throwing situation for someone who calls consent a technicality.

        • aom

          Seems you haven’t checked back on the facts of the incident and how the charges arose.

          • McFlock

            If someone wanted you to wear a rubber, but you shag them without them knowing you’re not wearing one, that’s non-consensual. Consent was given only with the use of a condom.

            It’s not a difficult concept. It’s certainly not a technicality.

            • Sabine

              thank you for again explaining the principle of consent. It seems that some have a hard time bending their head around that issue.

              OK with condom. Consent given.

              Not ok without it. No consent given, and thus considered ‘rape’ in Sweden. Maybe the guy should have come to NZ for a cheap fuck without condoms and consent, no one would have said or done anything. After all pregnancy and that shit is womens lot, she should have known better.

              • It’s considered sexual assault here in NZ too. As it should be.

              • McFlock

                Between Trump and Assange, there are lots of men on the internet who claim difficulty in understanding the concept.

                I don’t know if it would be worse for them to be telling the truth, or just lying to try to excuse their guy on a basic level.

      • Morrissey 3.2.2

        Those charges were not “technical”, they were fantastical. If you want to experience something of the fearful hysteria, irrational craziness and licensed viciousness of a witch hunt in, say, sixteenth century Spain, this thread provides a pretty good approximatiion.

        • McFlock

          Yes. A sexual assault investigation is totally like a medieval witch hunt. Moz, you have made another perfectly reasonable comparison to add to your portfolio. /sarc

          • Morrissey

            It’s not a sexual assault investigation. There was no sexual assault. The two young women inveigled—no doubt threatened and blackmailed—into this nightmarish plot almost immediately announced it was all nonsense.

            It’s worse than a witch hunt. Even though there was never any actual evidence of witchcraft presented in the middle ages, that didn’t really matter. The accusers and their megaphones—the likes of you—did not have to present any evidence. The accusation, spurious as it was, was merely the first step in the process.

            • Psycho Milt

              They must be so reassured to learn that Morrissey doesn’t hold them personally responsible for making allegedly false claims of sexual assault.

              • McFlock

                The quality of mercy is not strain’d, it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the ground beneath.

                • Morrissey

                  I doubt you’ve got that off pat—hat tip to Google, huh.

                  • McFlock

                    As the great philosopher Hans Gruber said: “the benefit of a classical education”.

                    Shakespeare isn’t classical, but then Google does tell me I should have remembered it as “place beneath”. Besides, Gruber made the comment about education after repeating a misreported anecdote about Alexander.

                    I have alluded to my thespianic tendencies before, I’m sure. My Pistol was very well received, my dear.

                    • Morrissey

                      Sorry to leave you out of my little playlet this morning, my friend. I thought I had enough villains.

                      Maybe next time.

                    • McFlock

                      I’m very selective about the roles I take. You don’t cut it.

              • Morrissey

                They didn’t make them. They were bamboozled and hurried into it by the fearful Swedish “authorities”—if that’s the right word to use for such cowards and slaves.

            • McFlock

              Inveigled, threatened, and blackmailed into making false complaints. Wow, that’s a lot of criminal activity you claim occurred.

              Where’s your evidence?

              Because the evidence of a sexual assault investigation is well documented both by the swedish authorities and the court transcripts from the UK legal system – the one he jumped bail on.

            • Sabine

              You don’t get to decide the laws of Sweden.

              It is fairly simple, any sexual conduct / intercourse without consent is considered rape/sexual violence etc.

              She consented to sex with him so as long as he wears a condom. He decided to mount her early morning without a condom, he is in the fault.

              for what its worth, your guy is a useless fuck, putting his partner at risk of sexual transmitted diseases, pregnancy. And that useless fuck put himself at risk of sexual transmitted diseases and potentially 20+ odd years of child support. Dumb as fuck he is this Assange dude and a coward.

  4. Bazza64 4

    For Julian Assange trying to avoid jail time, he has effectively ended up in jail in the Ecuador Embassy in UK. Possibly only safe place for him might be Russia, but he would then be their puppet & wouldn’t dare expose their secrets or he would be off to Siberia for some harsh employment. Notice Greenpeace haven’t been back to protest Russian oil exploration, they know they would not be so lenient a second time.

  5. mickysavage 5

    OK this is one of those subjects that gets people going …

    Reuters has reported on some of the list. They include:

    1. Assange had ever been an “agent or officer of any intelligence service”.
    2. Assange had previously been employed by the Russian government
    3. Assange is, or has ever been, close to the Russian state, the Kremlin or Putin.
    4. Assange bleaches his hair
    5. Assange is a hacker,
    6. Assange has ever neglected an animal
    7. Assange has poor personal hygiene.


    So any of these demonstrably proveable as being false?

    And why should Wikileaks of all organisations seek to suppress information?

    • Bazza64 5.1

      Well put MS, I don’t know enough about the 7 points to comment, but when the organisation that doesn’t like secrets seeks to impose its own, you know it starts to smell. Even supporters of JA must concede on this point if not the others?

    • Stunned mullet 5.2

      “Cleaning out the cat box is a crime against humanity!” – Assange

      • Morrissey 5.2.1

        That was witty. Have you thought of writing comedy scripts for …..ooohhh, Mike Hosking?

      • lprent 5.2.2

        I don’t clean out the cat box myself. While it was a joint decision to get Mort. I figure the person who wanted the kitten should also learn the downside of having a kitten. 😈

        Opps – off topic..

    • Morrissey 5.3

      You think it’s amusing do you, Mr Presland?

      No wonder you took the name of that bloke notorious for standing behind Britain: “where she goes, we go.”

      Don’t think he would have been so depraved as to laugh at the persecution of a journalist, however.

      • mickysavage 5.3.1

        No I don’t. I have always had doubts about Assange and his hero status.

        But as I said let’s analyse this story. Is it true that Wikileaks is trying to stop the media from printing stories about Assange and if so how does it square up with Wikileaks’ role?

        • Morrissey

          What doubts were those? And what does it matter if he’s a hero or not?

          What evidence are you aware of that supports those ludicrous fantasy charges concocted by the U.S. and its U.K. vassal?

        • CapnInsan0

          I’ve read through the comments thus far, I don’t seem to see an answer to that question here. It strikes me as pretty rank hypocrisy but then I’m not surprised by that turgid little worm Assange.

      • Richard 5.3.2

        Dunno about about Presland, but I think some of the reactions to TRP’s article are hilarious.

        Shouldn’t Wikileaks be demanding the release of all Ecuadorian records regarding Assange’s pet care and personal grooming rather than demanding silence?

    • joe90 5.4

      TFW when you’ve pleaded guilty to twenty-five charges of hacking and related crimes and then you send a not for publication email to half the world’s media telling them not to call you a hacker.

  6. Morrissey 6

    We’ve encountered this orchestrated display of glee at the suffering of Julian Assange before tonight, of course….


  7. Tricledrown 7

    An Egotist but engaging in open debate freedom of speech even if he got it wrong by becoming a Putin/Trump Troll.

    • McFlock 7.1

      Sort of sums up the contradictions – used freedom of speech to expose massive abuses by states, threatens people who might spread mean claims about him. Threatens to sue those people who spread those claims, suing using the same legal system that he skipped bail on. In some ways a hero, but possibly an abuser of his own power over others. Exposed abuses by some states, strangely silent on the abuses of other states and possibly even a pawn of those even more abusive states.

      People can be complicated.

  8. francesca 8

    This is pretty much clickbait.
    And disappointingly ugly tabloid stuff at that
    The kitty litter and personal hygiene bullshit, is clearly designed to humiliate.and taunt someone the UN has decreed is being illegally detained.
    The UN working committee found that in 2016


    and more recently , this past December said that Britain should allow Assange to leave the Embassy without fear of arrest or extradition

    Oh but the UN ,huh guys ,those pansies?And Assange bleaches his hair? must be a pansy too.
    And what? his organisation is warning reporters to stop rechurning old lies? the hypocrite!We’re dining out on the lies,don’t stop the fun

    You guys make me sick
    Forget the cruelty displayed here and take the opportunity to sign Varoufakis’ DIEM25 petition


    • Drowsy M. Kram 8.1

      Thanks francesca; signed. And thanks to TRP whose post provided a platform for information sharing – a good example of what The Standard is all about.

    • “The kitty litter and personal hygiene bullshit, is clearly designed to humiliate.and taunt …”

      That’s kind of the point of the article, Fransesca. I never knew Assange was a smelly cat abuser until Wikileaks told me. What were they thinking? Was it run by Assange first? And, tin foil hat alert, is somebody in Wikileaks deliberately trying to make him look bad?

      • francesca 8.2.1

        You still dont know Assange is a smelly cat abuser!
        But you choose to believe it
        And it wasnt Wikileaks who told you that
        It was the Guardian who first published that,yonks ago, having been given the feed from the new more easily US intimidated Moreno led Ecuador govt. Surely you are not that far behind the eight ball?
        Everything Wikileaks asserts are defamatory and libellous lies has already been published .Theres nothing new
        What is truly astonishing is that reporters have managed to get away with all of the 140 allegations, stating them as truth, for as long as they have
        What is more astonishing is the way journalism has sunk to the point where a fellow journalist can be so attacked by other , I hesitate to give them the title “journalist” reporters. All journalism suffers when these attacks are normalised
        I refuse to believe you weren’t aware of that
        I’ve read that bullshit multiple times in multiple publications, from the same source repeated ad nauseam.
        And here’s you, repeating it as if it was brand new
        You never knew about those claims ?..give me a break, you are being totally disingenuous, either that or you really haven’t been paying attention

        • gsays

          thanks francesca for putting it bluntly and far more eloquently than i could.

          • francesca

            Well thanks gsays for saying that
            I’m gobsmacked and wonder if the author had even read the 140 allegations that Wikileaks say are defamatory and libellous at the time he wrote his hitpiece
            Wikileaks links to articles that demonstrate why the allegations are untrue.
            TRP comes up with nothing but snide taunts
            Most unbecoming

            • te reo putake

              Er, did you actually read the post? I made it clear that I hadn’t read the gagging list. It wasn’t publicly available when I wrote the post and I wrote that I thought it would soon be leaked anyway. Which it has been.

              • francesca

                and yet you rushed to print regardless?!!

                • Morrissey

                  francesca, the facts are irrelevant. What matters is the smear. Defamation has its own ghastly dynamic; you can see that by counting the number of posters just on this thread who have not the slightest idea of anything about this case but are joining in with the denunciation. The same thing happened regularly in the Deep South after the Civil War until the 1930s, and it was a regular “feature” of life in Red China, and in Indonesia in the 1960s.

                  • francesca

                    Exactly, and there’s a very mobbish excitement in all of this I’ve witnessed before , it gives me a chill
                    We’ve got a punching bag here with his hands tied
                    Line up all you husky red blooded fellows!

                • Again I ask, have you read the post? It’s not about the list, it’s about the foolishness of exposing Assange to ridicule, which is why ‘the Streisand effect’ is in the title and talked about in the post. The second point is the hypocrisy of a self identified ‘transparency’ organisation trying to gag the media. I didn’t need to know what was on the list to write about that issue either. In short, Wikileaks have royally fucked this up.

                  • francesca

                    Gag the media my arse
                    Governments and monied up corporations do that
                    Whats here is a list of untrue statements that are repeatedly published as if true.
                    It is making quite clear that these statements are false, defamatory and libellous and why they are so
                    Many citations provided
                    Read the thing through and you might learn something
                    And spare me the faux concern for Assange “exposing him to ridicule”
                    Its people like you who do that very thing

                    • Morrissey

                      “Learning something” is irrelevant, francesca. All that matters is the defamation, the stream of accusation—whether fantastical or not, it doesn’t really matter after a while—and the constant belittlement and abuse.

        • te reo putake

          No, I’m being totally serious. I had no idea about his alleged personal hygiene issues until Wikileaks raised the matter. I do vaguely recall the cat legal case, but, again, until Wikileaks raised it, I didn’t know he’d been found to have the let the animal down.

          Again, this is the point of the post. If Wikileaks hadn’t have bought the Streisand effect down on Julian’s haloed head, little of this would be in the public domain. As a defensive strategy, this is the pits. It has simply exposed Assange to ridicule. And, to repeat another point made in the post, he’s isolated, alone, under pressure and now being laughed at. This cannot be good for him on a human level. What were they thinking?

          • Morrissey

            No, I’m being totally serious.

            Yes, you are. You deserve to be paid for this work, te reo. The likes of Luke Harding and James Ball and Mike Hosking get paid for their similar serious efforts on behalf of the intelligence services, but you’re doing it gratis.

            You could use this thread as evidence of your suitability for payment.

            • te reo putake

              Why do you assume I’m not being paid, Moz? The real question is whether the dosh is in US dollars, Russian roubles or the dead rodents that the alien lizard people use for currency.

            • Adrian Thornton

              @Morrissey, Interesting post and thread here, probably not a bad indication as to who would end up being the camp guards when push comes to shove…

              • Morrissey

                I think of them more as the louts shouting and laughing at the government-designated target.

                Today it’s Julian Assange, but in the future it could be Nicky Hager, or Jon Stephenson.

                • Andre

                  Hager and Stephenson have the courage to front up to the authorities whose misdeeds they put in the hard yards to uncover. Assange doesn’t put in any hard yards to uncover anything nor has he the courage to front up.

                • Sacha

                  “Today it’s Julian Assange, but in the future it could be Nicky Hager, or Jon Stephenson.”

                  You’re telling us you see no difference in the character of those three men?

                  • Morrissey

                    They are all journalists who have incurred the wrath of governments for exposing the crimes of military forces.

                    That’s all that matters. You don’t believe those fantasies concocted against Assange, do you?

                    • Andre

                      Assange isn’t a journalist. He’s at best a middleman publisher. Apparently with some pretty twisted malicious partisan ethics.

                    • Morrissey

                      Assange isn’t a journalist.

                      Doesn’t matter what he is. You know what you have to do, and you’re doing it. Good man!

                      He’s at best a middleman publisher.

                      Whatever he is, he deserves to be destroyed. As we are told.

                      Apparently with some pretty twisted malicious partisan ethics.

                      ???? What are you talking about?

                    • Sacha

                      “That’s all that matters.”

                      In your world, so it seems.

                    • Morrissey

                      So now you’re accusing me of joining in the mob activity, are you?

                      And you forgot to answer my question: Do you believe those fantasies concocted against Julian Assange?

                    • francesca

                      Indeed, and here’s a list of Wikileaks journalism awards

                      View at Medium.com

                      Though I’m aware this has no weight against blind prejudice and hate

          • francesca

            TRP…Totally serious?
            I doubt your seriousness, taken up with personal hygiene and kitty litter as you are
            If by now you have read the 140 allegations you will have seen that the vast majority concern fictitious claims eg Manafort’s visit to Assange that never happened,
            Here’s another example
            “it is false and defamatory to deny that Julian Assange is an award-winning editor, journalist, publisher, author and producer who has won the highest journalism award in his country, the Walkley, among many others. [https://defend.wikileaks.org/about-julian/]
            It is false and defamatory to suggest that Julian Assange or WikiLeaks has ever, through intent or negligence, revealed a source [in fact, in the case of alleged source Chelsea Manning, the allegation by the State is that Manning spoke, in a knowing breach of WikiLeaks’ security rules, to a researcher for Wired magazine, Adrian Lamo, who promised him journalistic confidentiality, only to then inform on him to the FBI. Lamo subsequently died in March 2018, aged 37]. ”

            Way down the list are the petty personal assaults.These are the ones Reuters has chosen to highlight,crafted in to a hit piece, picked up verbatim by all other news sources, and pounced on by you
            Go to the source, read the allegations and the rebuttals, dont just lazily run with a Reuters piece without doing due diligence.

            Get serious TRP, if you’re going to publish a piece you know will be contentious, do the research.
            Its incredible to me that you were not aware that every single one of the 140 allegations has already been published, some of them many times.They have been out there in the public domain for some time.
            Pay attention
            Dont go for the easy sniggers

  9. Dennis Frank 9

    Definitely an entertaining story! Is it appropriate here? Yeah, features left-wing stuff. I fully concur with TRP. Does JA deserve credit as a whistleblower still? Of course! Is he above criticism? Of course not!

    “LONDON (Reuters) – WikiLeaks on Sunday advised journalists not to report 140 different “false and defamatory” statements about its founder Julian Assange” in “an email sent to media organizations and marked “Confidential legal communication. Not for publication.””

    When a media organisation advises other media organisations not to report fake news, is that a political issue? Yes. Is it ethical? Ha! Depends if the news really is fake or not, eh? Truth lies in the eye of the beholder most of the time. Fake news can be proven so, but usually citations of it are mere assertions.

    As MS has demonstrated with his list of seven examples – if they really are taken from the invisible list of 140. From their advice: “journalists and publishers have a clear responsibility to carefully fact-check from primary sources and to consult the following list to ensure they are not spreading, and have not spread, defamatory falsehoods about WikiLeaks or Julian Assange.”

    Hard to argue with that. We expect media professionals to be accurate. However, media repetition of rumour is a thing, and always has been. Attempts to eliminate it from cultural practice therefore seem doomed to failure. Newsworthiness is an editorial judgment. Media owners and operators will assert their right to decide, and some will seek profit from providing consumers with interesting rumours regardless of their truth-content.

    JA, like Trump, is a walking illustration of the Shakespearean character-flaw theme on the global stage. Both are exemplars of narcissism, and generators of infotainment. Reuters notes that it was a 5,000-word email, so the issues at stake are considerable. Too deep for Twitter, by miles. We should probably thank them for keeping what Gordon Campbell calls `long-form journalism’ alive.

  10. ropata 10

    If Hillary Clinton wants Assange assassinated, then he must be doing something good in the world.

    Blaming Assange for Trump’s election is just puerile American MSM crap that nobody* takes seriously.

    Useful distraction from the real issues though

    (* with a functioning prefrontal cortex)

  11. WeTheBleeple 11

    The world is full of imperfect people – I’d wager 100% of them. But we like to cut down to size any who would stick their head above the norm, and especially if they should challenge the status quo.

    I remember when I kicked a bullies ass after the third assault on small guys (including stealing their boots) – he then convinced everyone he was a victim and I a bully as after I called him on his shit he came after me and subsequently wound up in Hospital. People are cowards and when you catch them out, they’re liars.

    This is, to me, the press complaining about Assange. It is Assange complaining about the press. It is a pathetic-go-round.

    How dare Assange have an opinion, being flawed as he is. How dare he be less than perfect. How dare he start to flake around the edges after all this pressure for all this time.

    Pick him apart. Join ranks and curse the stranger. Form long loud opinions over what his punishment should be. More detrimental labels, please.

    “Put him up against the Wall” – Roger Waters.

    • Morrissey 11.1

      The British and U.S. regimes and their de facto megaphones are not seeking to destroy Julian Assange because he has an opinion. They’re seeking to destroy him because of this…..

  12. Andre 12

    Here’s the list, allegedly.


    Put your coffee down before reading it. If it’s a spoof, it’s a goody.

  13. Ross 13

    Naomi Wolf, a feminist author, is not known to casually defend rapists and yet she defends Assange. I can see why.

    Based on my 23 years of reporting on global rape law, and my five years of supporting women at rape crisis centers and battered women’s shelters, I can say with certainty that this case is not being treated as a normal rape or sexual assault case. New details from the Swedish police make this quite clear. Their transcript of the complaints against Assange is strikingly unlike the dozens of such transcripts that I have read throughout the years as an advocate for victims of sex crimes.


    • lprent 13.1

      Yep. Naomi Wolf describes my position on the Swedish allegations of “rape” against Assange. They are just dubious and stink to high heaven of other motivations than legal ones.

      Marianne Ny: Making an arse of Swedish law.

      The process used and the legal basis looked completely bogus right from the start. It looked like a way to attack Wikileaks and specifically to pull Assange into the hands of compliant legal domain so that he could be dragged to the US.

      Now that isn’t to say that I particularly like Assange or Wikileaks.

      Wikileaks has been useful in providing a way to throw light on to a variety of dubious practices by states and companies. But Wikileaks as an organisation have also been extremely careless and callous about the effects on various parties. They have a strong tendency to drop screeds of information and simple speculation out without bothering to read it themselves and to be responsible.

      It has impacted on people who really haven’t been doing anything worse than legally following their own paths and opinions.

      That lazy and arrogant philosophy that lies at the core of Wikileaks seems to come directly from Assange. He appears to be a anti-social narcissist and in my view I wouldn’t trust him.

      My view on Wikileaks isn’t helped by the deliberate campaigns by them (and presumably Assange) in the 2016 election campaign to smear Hillary Clinton. That was done with information of no particular transparency or political value that was quite clearly and carefully placed to cause the maximum political damage with its timing.

      Moreover the information was just as clearly sourced from the hackers of the security apparatus of the Russian government.

      In my opinion, that dropped Wikileaks from being a useful but flawed transparency outlet to just being another organisation of PR flacks spawning ‘facts’ that you can’t trust until you dig into their motivations for publishing it. You also have to start to wonder where they lying by omission.

      • Morrissey 13.1.1

        So you buy into those conspiracy theories propagated by the Clintons and their cronies. Do you have any evidence at all to justify your belief? Or is it a religious commitment to Saint Hillary?

        • lprent

          So you buy into those conspiracy theories propagated by the Clintons..

          Nope. I am also not some credulous dimwitted techno illiterate politico-religious fanatic in the way that you so often appear to present yourself (hey, if you want to try to frame a meme, then I am happy to present a mirror).

          Do you have any evidence at all to justify your belief?

          FFS: I’m a programmer who also runs websites, mail servers, and network systems both for work, for home, and for this site. I’ve done so at various level and with various systems since the mid-80s while the net has been growing. I am about as interested in political personalities as I am interested in reality shows or celebrity. My political ideas are almost entirely structural and tend to be being reluctantly socialist mainly because unconstrained market forces are completely useless at longer term planning.

          I’m also, when it comes to computer systems, completely uninterested in ‘evidence’ that you could take to court a decade after the intrusions happen. Only a complete technically illiterate jerkoff like you would be concerned about that kind of crap. It allows for the kind of ‘plausible deniability’ that so clearly makes your panties go wet with excitement as you engage in meaningless and simple minded ‘debate’ about the number of pins and angel can dance on… In other words, a legally based argument

          I’m interested in viable and likely threats. It doesn’t matter if it happens to be teenage script bunnies or opportunistic privacy illiterate like Slater and co, spam artists, security agencies, troll gangs, or just simply minded fools like you.

          With technical threats I look at the commentary around the nets by people concerned with network and server intrusions, not to mention the continuous and ongoing attempts to intrude into my systems. There is a hell of lot of it from various players. But intrusions from Russia, China, and the US being towards the top of the pile along with some bit-players from other areas. Russia and the US are the major politically interested parties and this isn’t hard for even my systems to track those kinds of attempts on my systems.

          It is my opinion that the likely source of the documents from the DNC and other sources presented by Wikileaks just prior to the 2016 election was most likely sourced from the Russian security and given to Wikileaks specifically to try to get Donald Trump elected. That also happens to the general belief around the tech-head areas of the net as well as every moderately credible security agency and company, both public and internet, that has looked at it.

          It follows the standard Russian hacker patterns that we have all become so accustomed to over the last 20 years. Just like the same patterns we see for the Chinese, the USA, spammers, google, and whoever. It also, at a political level, was far better for the Russian government to have a idiot like Trump as US president than a hawk like Hillary Clinton. This is hardly news. That was all that you saw prior to the election from the Russian media and even from parts of the Russian government.

          Now I have no idea of how you think the net operates, but we don’t work off evidence when we secure against threats. We work off threat levels and tend to get somewhat draconian about protecting our systems based on probabilities. Which means that everyone has been been securing against each of these threats as they arise.

          Now I don’t expect that very dimwitted indoctrinated fool like yourself can understand this concept of people making up their own mind. Personally I think that you seem to require your opinions to be spoon feed for you from something the Intercept because you your brain appears to be quite short of exercise.

          However I suggest that on this site you respect the opinions of others while disagreeing with them. That alternative is that I may indulge myself in actions to express my opinions about people trying to shut down robust debate about their opinions. I really can’t afford the time to write highly simplified explanations for you every day.

          • Morrissey

            NAPOLEON: [shouting angrily] …credulous dimwitted techno illiterate politico-religious fanatic… [anger-induced coughing fit]…simply minded fools like you…. dimwitted indoctrinated fool…[splutter]…. Personally I think that you seem to require your opinions to be spoon feed for you from something the Intercept because you your brain appears to be quite short of exercise. … [continues]….

            BREEN: [sotto voce, wounded] Bit harsh, surely?

            • lprent

              Bit harsh, surely?

              Nope. I have a standing personal policy that if I see someone acting like a dickhead to others to shut down debate, then I am perfectly prepared to escalate in a reverse mirror form.

              I take whatever they do, multiply the same debate tools that they were using by a major factor with my own personal thoughts about them, intersperse it with thoughts on the subject and blow it back on them.

              This is my deliberate policy to ensure that people I run across involved in a public debate and who I consider have been acting like an arsehole learns to respect the other participants.

              On the net there are always much more effective arseholes around – ones who have been using those same tools and techniques for way longer. Most of the time they choose not be one. But there are always fools to educate or re-educate.

              If you don’t like the mirror response to one of your ploys, then I’d suggest that you don’t use or limit your use of the technique.

              I’d also suggest that trying to shift into the whining victim technique as you are doing right now really isn’t a solution. With me it just becomes a prelude to more education.

              Personally my usual response to that kind of pitiful whining is usually to escalate even more by one of the many techniques. Essentially to make the whiner look ridiculous in whatever they say – usually by poking into their shaky edifice of assumptions or just a simple torment escalation of seeing how fast I can make them get into a seething frenzy.

              And I like to do this clinically.

              Or you could simply decide to enjoy a robust debate without going off and trying to drown other people expressing their opinions. Learn to disagree with them without the pointless and stupid histrionics..

              Incidentally, I’d note that you didn’t manage to deal with any of the substantive points in my comment before starting to whine. Is that because you can’t provide a rebuttal or because you are so self-adsorbed that you can only think of yourself?

          • Dennis Frank

            “It is my opinion that the likely source of the documents from the DNC and other sources presented by Wikileaks just prior to the 2016 election was most likely sourced from the Russian security and given to Wikileaks specifically to try to get Donald Trump elected. That also happens to the general belief around the tech-head areas of the net as well as every moderately credible security agency and company, both public and internet, that has looked at it.”

            I came to that opinion too. Independently. It’s all about motivations, really. Folks who value their time do stuff when it’s in their interests. Perhaps Mueller gets off on being a conspiracy theorist. I reckon Occam’s Razor tells us Putin didn’t need to collude with Trump: they just knew their interests overlapped in regard to the election. So my prediction is that Mueller’s investigation is a unicorn hunt, and it will fail to find one.

            Not to suggest that he’s wasting time. It’s in the public interest that geopolitical collusion intended to subvert democracy is exposed – if it happens.

            • lprent

              Sure and someone dug that information out of the DNC and other sites. It is a bit like the Don Brash revelations in the middle of the last decade in terms of where it could have been sourced and how. In that case the material certainly wasn’t hacked because of what the type of info was and how it was presented. Nor was it collected from another source like a e-mail recipient. It obviously came from within .

              With the DNC and other data from the rest of the democrat side, it was the inverse. It is really hard to get that kind of widespread data from anything else apart from wide well resourced hacking.

              Sure the US has agencies who can do that, and they are effectively inside that whole network. However bearing in mind the way that the US services operate, it’d have been very hard for them to access and collect that kind of data without having half of the rest of the security apparatus coughing up on them, not to mention that many of their allies security would have done it in a heart beat. But they have some pretty extensive tracking of access and use these days as a result of repeated exposures in the last decade. It would have been really hard to conceal from audits and other agencies.

              It would have certainly been exposed since the election because there was a hell of a lot of review after the election even if you exclude the Mueller inquiry or the congressional and justice inquiries.

              And because of the breadth of the hacks it was scaled at an operational level that was pretty damn high in required skills and resources to penetrate such a range of sites from the outside. There simply aren’t that many organisations who groups of people with that level of skills.

              And if you look at the other known players at that level in the tech community. It gets even clearer. The Chinese knew that they’d have a problem with a Trump presidency as did all of the Europeans. The other bit players like North Korea simply had no real motivation.

              But Russia sure as hell had motivations. They didn’t like Hillary Clinton as a possible president after the way that she’d been constraining them as SecState. She was way more hawkish on Russia than Obama.

              That also have the units with the technical skills. The various intrusions of their cybernauts into the nets of their bordering states over the last two decades has certainly proved that. And the intrusions came in with the distinctive styles of their units (and in computing ‘style’ is damn near fingerprint levels of authentication).

              Plus of course their public responses to the accusations was in the their characteristic arsehole ‘plausible deniability’ style of “no of course we didn’t do it (but we did (but you can’t prove it))” that is so distinctive a part of their operations that they should try to patent it – they are the only ones who use it. Hell – they have been doing that particular technique all the way back to at least the 18th century that I am aware of. You only have to look at the partition of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in the 1770s-1790s to find similar examples.

              Essentially I have to think that those like M who try to insinuate that the Russian government was not involved in the US hacks against the democrats in 2016 all the way up to their eyeballs must have some interesting motivations and some pretty high levels of self-delusion.

              Sort of like the same levels as the odd idiots I run across who seem to think that the USA is a banner of democratic principle rather than being the prime example of how you can fuck democratic principles up.

  14. Morrissey 14

    Watch the following tape. It features a regime which was, after this incident, supported by the U.S. and U.K. governments for the next eleven years.

    How do you think individual members of today’s discussion group would have acted had this been available for our amusement or horror/outrage forty years ago?

  15. Nik 15

    my difficulty with this and most other news is I have no reliable basis to know which parts if any are the slightest bit true. especially when people love to hate someone so passionately, that intensifies the perceived sense of biased agenda. the news is like a frankfurter, marketed as nutrition but in fact a pulverised and reconstituted mess of god knows what.

  16. One Two 16

    TRP has a knack for writing articles which garner high numbers of responses…this is another example…not one of the more well thought out examples, IMO…

    Given TRP’s long standing, unambiguous articles and commentary over a number of years about JA, delineating these articles from the author, is somewhat moot…

    We all just want to laugh at the person stupid enough to publicise the things they wanted hidden

    No, not everyone…Some of ‘we’ would like to get a clear enough picture of [any given subject] to have a chance to get close to ‘truth’….given that ‘truth’ is impossible in the human condition….

    JA is likely suffering mental health issues, which is not something that should be made light of….such as this article can be interpreted as doing….

    • Cheers, one two. I did raise the mental health aspect in the post and in a later comment. It’s one of the reasons this move from Wikileaks is so foolish. However, Assange is the author of his own misfortunes. If he’d defended the rape allegations in Sweden as he should have done, it’d be all over now. Even if he was found guilty, he’d have done his time by now and been free to go about his business.

      That’s the problem with martydom; it’s often pointless, painful and counter-productive.

      • One Two 16.1.1

        If he’d defended the rape allegations in Sweden as he should have done, it’d be all over now. Even if he was found guilty, he’d have done his time by now and been free to go about his business


        Speculation is all ‘we’ have, eh…JA could also be ‘missing’, or dead….

        I prefer not to speculate on unknowns…things which did not happen…

      • lprent 16.1.2

        If he’d defended the rape allegations in Sweden as he should have done, it’d be all over now.

        Only if you think that being locked up in the US legal system (for anything from a grand jury to prison for espionage) means it was all over. Basically the inditements that have been exposed (by accident) in recent months show pretty conclusively that Justice Department was actively trying to create extraditable accusations stand up in particular styles of court systems.

        I think that he made the right decision not to go back to Sweden. I haven’t seen a damn thing that indicates he couldn’t have been caught up in an extradition to the US from Sweden. In fact I think that a request properly formatted would have received some prompt attention.

        Whereas from the UK it would have been pretty damn difficult for the same reason that it is hard to extradite Kim DotCom from here.

        • McFlock

          Except that the only reason he wasn’t successfully extradited to Sweden was because he jumped bail in the UK. So why couldn’t the US have used the same process?

          • francesca

            one opinion

            “Seeking asylum for a legitimate reason is different than “absconding”. The British government knew exactly where Julian was and what he was doing at every moment. He was in London in one of their embassies. They could have gone to him, met with him, at any time if they wanted to check his bail status. Here are definitions and synonyms for absconding. Julian Assange did none of these: absconding –

            leave hurriedly and secretly, typically to avoid detection of or arrest for an unlawful action such as theft.

            “she absconded with the remaining thousand dollars”

            synonyms: run away, escape, bolt, flee, make off, take flight, take off, decamp;

            make a break for it,take to one’s heels, make a quick getaway, beat a hasty retreat, run for it, make a run for it;

            disappear, vanish, slip away, split, steal away, sneak away, clear out, duck out;”

            • Morrissey

              Doesn’t matter what he did, francesca. “Absconding” implies he’s a criminal, so “absconding” is the word to use.

              For the same reason, you’ll often hear the autocue readers on New Zealand television thoughtlessly and automatically informing us that Assange is “holed up.”

            • McFlock

              He was on bail. He failed to follow the conditions of his bail by leaving the jurisdiction of the UK. Therefore he jumped bail. That is his bail status.

              • francesca

                It could be argued that he was unable to comply with the surrender order because he had been lawfully granted asylum, under threat of extradition for political reasons.
                Assange was granted asylum before the British issued an arrest warrant.

                • McFlock

                  They tried the “political” angle in the UK courts. It got chucked out.

                  He was on bail.

          • lprent

            I don’t understand the question the way you have framed it.

            Guessing… Ummm….

            Sweden is in the EU and so is the UK for a limited number of weeks. That means that there are requirements for them to respond to requests within the legal bounds of other member states (I’d have to look up what that is – European Arrest Warrant ) which is in the UK legislation.

            This means that the UK courts have few options on sending him to Sweden regardless of the offense. So this isn’t really a extradition, it is a just the exercise of an arrest warrant. Therefore it doesn’t have the usual protections that surround most extraditions. In particular not being able to extradited to the third country. Or of a principle of speciality preventing prosecution for other offenses than those on the extradition request.

            However the US just has a extradition treaty with the UK. So the rule sets are quite different. The UK requires equivalent offenses / processes. There is nothing similar in UK law to grand juries. So Assange can’t be extradited for a grand jury. He can’t be extradited for about half of the offenses that the US could try for because there is no equivalent. Many of the other offenses carry potential death sentences and the UK will not extradite on those (eg espionage).

            However Sweden has quite a different legal structure and a different extradition structure. https://www.government.se/government-of-sweden/ministry-of-justice/international-judicial-co-operation/extradition-for-criminal-offences/

            Many of a prosecution structures are similar. So grand jury in particular would be permitted. So would any offense that wasn’t a death penalty offense. There are protections for political or military offenses. However in this case arguing them would have probably been moot – they are designed for refugees from home governments. Not for a aussie who is being sought for a offense on the US. Many of the possible criminal offenses share a common structure between the US and Sweden that doesn’t exist with UK laws. That was because the US system picked up quite a lot of law from the Napoleonic Code. There would be quite a lot of offenses that could be used by the US that would match with US laws and which wouldn’t have the limits of UK law.

            As far as I can see, the only protection could have been the kindness of the Swedish government in not allowing a extradition and maybe the Swedish Supreme court somehow decreeing it to be a political extradition – which is what it would be. As has been pointed out elsewhere the Swedish government has a spotty record in this respect, and the Supreme court has sometimes been consulted after the fact with some extraditions.

            Basically if Assange wanted to remain safe from extradition to the US for political crimes, he was a lot safer staying in the UK than going to Sweden.

            • McFlock

              Except that the UK courts in Assange’s Swedish extradition hearings dealt with equivalence issues in the differences between UK & Swedish arrest policies.

              I also suspect that, like with KDC in NZ, the extradition that the yanks might attempt from wherever will be for internationally-regarded crimes relating tangetially to the primary reason the yanks want him. E.g. if wikileaks gets income in the US and transfers it between bank accounts, by saying wikileaks did espionage the operating funds become illegal income and transferring between accounts becomes “money laundering” (which is illegal in most Western/Northern nations). So the formal extradition is for money laundering. ISTR that’s the argument regarding KDC.

              The other thing is that the only “spotty” case for the Swedes was a rendition soon after 911, at about the same time the UK was watching the yanks torture UK citizens. Frankly I think the UK is the more risky option, given that the Swedes would need to run an extradition to the US by the UK first.

              • lprent

                …given that the Swedes would need to run an extradition to the US by the UK first

                No they don’t – where in the hell did you get that idea from? That isn’t a restraint on the Swedish government or courts.

                It isn’t a extradition to Sweden. It is a simple EU arrest warrant. That means that the principle of specificity (which is what you talking about) simply doesn’t apply.

                BTW: Money laundering in the way that you’re looking at it is unlikely to be an extraditable offense in the UK. Or here for that matter. That is because in both jurisdiction of the relevant acts is related to the local jurisdiction. The prosecution for money laundering is usually where the money wound up. The latter is on a proceeds of crime type act – see something like https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/commercial-law/uk-law-on-money-laundering-commercial-law-essay.php for the UK. Ther eis a prosecution for the crime itself in the country where the crime occurred.

                • McFlock

                  Yes, it was an extradition to Sweden. E.g., paragraph 1 one one of the UK court decisions (my italics)):

                  On 2 December 2010 the Swedish Prosecution Authority (“the Prosecutor”), who is the respondent to this appeal, issued a European Arrest Warrant (“EAW”) signed by Marianne Ny, a prosecutor, requesting the arrest and surrender of Mr Assange, the appellant. Mr Assange was, at the time, in England, as he still is. The offences of which he is accused and in respect of which his surrender is sought are alleged to have been committed in Stockholm against two women in August 2010. They include “sexual molestation” and, in one case, rape. At the extradition hearing before the Senior District Judge, and subsequently on appeal to the Divisional Court, he unsuccessfully challenged the validity of the EAW on a number of grounds.

                  So specificity applies.

                  On the money laundering, that was a from-memory re: KDC. I’m pretty sure they’re not trying to extradite him for the copyright stuff. Could be wrong, but one legal wrangle at a time 🙂

                  • lprent

                    It might have been described as a extradition hearing. But it wasn’t done on what the usual international extradition laws provide. This is more like a transfer between states in a federal state.

                    The EU commission justice site is pretty clear on where they are trying to head on this. And the EAW has its own specific set of rules and the principle of specificity isn’t one of them. That is international law, not EU law.

                    • McFlock

                      Ah. the term is “Speciality” and seems to apply to an EAW, as well.

                      Saves me linking to US and Aus references to inter-state domestic extradition.

                    • lprent

                      Ah yeah. Looking at it I got spell checked badly the first time and then kept repeating.

                      Happens when I’m programming . English has piss-poor compilers.

                      Interesting about the EAW. I am damn sure that when I researched this a few years ago looking at the cases on the 2003 UK extradition Act (which changed to allow the EAW), this was one of the discussion points about how this diminished the principle of speciality.

                      I’m starting to make mistakes in the code as well. Time to stop trying to fix this c++/cli crap and head home.

                    • McFlock

                      I couldn’t remember the term from the last instance of the Assange argument, either.

                      It does open up say an Algerian in Sweden being extradited to Italy on an EAW for fraud, orchestrated by the French because they reckon Italy will be a softer touch for an EAW to ship the guy to France on trumped-up terrorism charges (because Algeria), so it is a bit weaker – it’s just not a blank cheque for the US.

                    • lprent

                      Sure. On the other hand that kind of gaming has been in there ever since extradition was first legalised (1833 in Belgium according to Britannica).

                  • lprent

                    KDC: They were trying to get him on a racketeering and money laundering charges based on wire fraud originally . The racketeering has no equivalent in NZ law – the criminal conspiracy doesn’t transfer. The money laundering is irrelevant because of our local proceeds clauses. That would be a separate subsequent case in NZ for what is here.

                    The extradition case has pretty much devolved into relying on NZ criminal fraud laws.

                    The principle of specificity gets interesting at that point because I doubt that the US could try him on racketeering or money laundering now. Not to mention that the US justice department failed to attempt to actually follow process for a lot of their actions – which will hurt their case under US laws.

          • mauī

            Except that the only reason he wasn’t successfully extradited to Sweden…

            I didn’t think you could be extradited for questioning? I thought you had to be charged and he hasn’t been charged to my knowledge.

            • te reo putake

              Sweden issued an arrest warrant in late 2010, maui. He was ordered to be extradited on that basis by a British court in early 2011. He appealed and lost. He appealed again and lost again. It was after that final appeal in late 2011 that he broke his bail and did a runner.

              I imagine different countries have different thresholds for what triggers an extradition request. However, once issued, the arrest warrant was valid Europe wide, so the British courts would have needed some pretty good legal reason to overturn it. In three separate hearings, they found no reason why he shouldn’t return to Sweden.

            • McFlock

              Your “knowledge” is inadequate:

              But, even if the court was constrained to determine whether someone was an accused by solely considering the question of whether the prosecution had commenced, we would not find it difficult to hold that looking at what has taken place in Sweden that the prosecution had commenced. Although it is clear a decision has not been taken to charge him, that is because, under Swedish procedure, that decision is taken at a late stage with the trial following quickly thereafter. In England and Wales, a decision to charge is taken at a very early stage; there can be no doubt that if what Mr Assange had done had been done in England and Wales, he would have been charged and thus criminal proceedings would have been commenced. If the commencement of criminal proceedings were to be viewed as dependent on whether a person had been charged, it would be to look at Swedish procedure through the narrowest of common law eyes. Looking at it through cosmopolitan eyes on this basis, criminal proceedings have commenced against Mr Assange.

              154. In our view therefore, Mr Assange fails on the facts on this issue.

              TLDR: He was in the process of being prosecuted for sexual assault when he left Sweden.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 16.1.3

        “Martydom” [sic] seems a pitiless pejorative – ADS?


  17. Morrissey 17

    “However, Khashoggi is the author of his own misfortunes. If he’d defended the disloyalty allegations in Riyadh as he should have done, it’d be all over now. Even if he was found guilty, he’d have done his time by now and been free to go about his business.

    That’s the problem with martydom; it’s often pointless, painful and counter-productive.”

  18. Kerry 18

    So u either support Assange or u support mike hosting!? Get a grip! Both are talentless arseholes who peddle there own brand of lies!

    Assange has proven time and time again his only concern is HIMSELF…..oh and his good friends trump and Putin!

    • Morrissey 18.1

      I’ve seen several posts on this thread that are quite remarkable for their ignorance and their malice. I’ve perused Kiwiblog and Whale Oil and Russell Brown’s sad site. So I thought that I was inured to the fatuous, the footling, and the frabjous.

      But equating Assange and Hosking? Take a bow, fool: you are officially the stupidest person on the Internet today.

      [Way too abusive, Morrissey. Apology, please. TRP]

  19. Roni Klinkhamer 19

    How low can you go.
    You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Your level is sickening.
    Disgusting you are.
    Shame on you!
    You are vicious with all your slanderous twisted fakenews.
    That’s the reality standard: you’re a fake and anybody with some sense knows that.
    We see right through you, Your abuse and intimidation.
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  • A place of greater safety?
    Aotearoa New Zealand has committed to trying to extirpate the virus that causes COVID-19 from its shores. To do that, as a society we’ve moved to “Level 4”. That means adapting to unprecedented restrictions on our personal freedoms, particularly to our rights to move freely and associate with friends and ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    59 mins ago
  • The police and public trust
    When the Prime Minister declared a state of emergency last week, she handed the police powers to enforce it. And almost immediately, we started hearing about heavy-handed, arbitrary "enforcement" by police who (at best) cared more about order than law, or (more likely) had no idea what the rules were ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 hour ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 4
    . . Lock Down: Day 4 – A photo essay with observations . March 29: Usual wake up routine as RNZ snaps on my radio-clock. Jim Mora’s voice slowly enters my conciousness; there’s talk of a second wave of covid19 taking hold in South Korea; the week in Parliament – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 hours ago
  • COVID-19 vs New Zealand
    Yesterday, New Zealand recorded its first Covid-19 related death on the West Coast. Unfortunately this is unlikely to be the only fatality, with the virus now being found in every region of the country.However despite the significant danger, people are still unfortunately breaching lockdown rules.There’s really only one main very ...
    3 hours ago
  • Rāhui day 4
    The kids did surprisingly well today – meltdown count was about 3, and mostly fairly short ones. (And a fourth while I was writing.) Game-wise I had a go at Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark. It’s a fairly standard RPG with turn-based combat and what they call a “mature storyline” (it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    17 hours ago
  • Letter to a friend
    by Don Franks Hi David, Nice hearing from you, I’m glad to hear you’re getting by okay in these grim times. You asked how’s it going for us back here in New Zealand. You would have heard that the whole country is locked down and with breaks for exercise and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    18 hours ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 3
    . . Lock Down: Day 3 – A photo essay with observations . March 28: First day of the first weekend in Lock Down. It feels like it’s been weeks since only Level 3 was declared last Tuesday, only four days ago. Woke up this morning to RNZ; coffee; toast, ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 day ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #13
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 22, 2020 through Sat, Mar 28, 2020 Articles Linked to on Facebook Sun, Mar 22, 2020 In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters by Chelsea Harvey, ...
    1 day ago
  • Rāhui day 3
    I’m here in lockdown with my flatmate and her two girls (6 and 2) and it. is. a time. They’re usually really active so to start with the only boardgame in the house is the copy of Guess Who that the 6 year old got for her birthday. Flatmate commented ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    2 days ago
  • A test of civil society.
    The CV-19 (COVID) pandemic has seen the imposition of a government ordered national quarantine and the promulgation of a series of measures designed to spread the burden of pain and soften the economic blow on the most strategically important and most vulnerable sectors of society. The national narrative is framed ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 2
    . . Lock Down: Day 2 – A photo essay with observations . March 27 – Day 2 of our Strange New World. The Park and Ride near my suburb, usually filled with hundreds of vehicles, had just… four; . . Another drive into Wellington City on a highway nearly ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • How Do You Feel? What Do You Think?
    Fortune's Children: Under extraordinary pressure, the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will each show us what they are made of. Have they been blessed with intelligence, grace, wit, poise, toughness, empathy and humour – and in what measure? More importantly, to what extent have they ...
    2 days ago
  • Landlords are NOT an essential service
    If you’ve ever had the misfortune of having to rent a property on the open market in New Zealand, which is one of the most expensive in the entire world, you’ll likely be keenly aware of just how arrogant and entitled landlords and their real estate agents can be.Unfortunately for ...
    2 days ago
  • A “new Society” post-COVID19 will definitely emerge. The question is: on what path?
    Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    3 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: Everything you need to know about the wage subsidy
    Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    3 days ago
  • The massacre of prisoners in Modelo jail, Bogota, March 21
    by Equipo Jurídico Pueblos and Gearóid Ó Loingsigh (25/03/2020) An escape plan in question On the night of March 21st and the early morning of the 22nd, the forces of the Colombian state stormed into the Modelo prison in Bogotá, murdering 23 prisoners and injuring 83, in response to the ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • We are not America
    When the government banned semi-automatic weapons in response to a terrorist atrocity, gun-nuts were outraged. Mired in toxic American gun culture, they thought owning weapons whose sole purpose was killing people was some sort of "constitutional right", a necessity for "defending themselves" against the government. Now, the Court of Appeal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • When will we know the lockdown is working?
    Just before midnight on Wednesday March 25, Aotearoa New Zealand entered a countrywide alert level four lockdown. For at least the next four weeks, everyone who isn’t an essential worker is confined to their bubble. We are doing this to stop the explosive growth in people contracting and dying from ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    3 days ago
  • Lock Down: Day 1
    . . Lock Down: Day 1 – A photo essay with observations . Day one of the Level 4 nationwide lock-down (or, DefCon 4 as I sometimes cheekily call it) started at 11.59PM on 25 March. For a moment, most of the nation held it’s collective breath. In that brief ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • A Compelling Recollection.
    Broad, Sunlit Uplands: How those words fired my young imagination! Or, perhaps, it is more accurate to say: how those words fused, in my young mind, with the image printed on every packet of Fielder’s Cornflour. Always fascinated by history, especially modern history, I cannot hear Churchill’s wonderfully evocative words, even ...
    3 days ago
  • The Warehouse – where everyone gets a virus
    . . 24 March 2020 9.46AM Number of covid19 cases in Aotearoa New Zealand: 102 . As of 11.59 on Thursday, most of New Zealand will go into “lock down”. People will be expected not to travel to work; not to socialise; and to stay home. I will not be ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • Aggressive action to address climate change could save the world $145 trillion
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections A respected research group, Project Drawdown, finds that deploying solutions consistent with meeting the Paris climate targets would cost tens of trillions of dollars globally. But crucially, those outlays would also yield long-term savings many times larger than the up-front costs. The new 2020 Drawdown ...
    4 days ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    4 days ago
  • Coronavirus – Cuba shows the way
    We’ve been meaning t write something on Cuba and the coronavirus but have just discovered a very good article on the subject in the US left publication Jacobin.  The article looks at how Cuba, a poor country but one where capitalism has been done away with, is leading the way ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Using privacy law to prevent the death penalty
    In 2018, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey - two British citizens who had purportedly been stripped of their citizenship by the British government - were captured while fighting for Isis in Syria. The British government then conspired to hand them over to the US, and agreed to provide evidence ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • It’s Time For Disaster Socialism.
    Transformers: The disaster of the Great Depression was transformed into a new and fairer society by the democratic socialism of the First Labour Government. The disaster of the Covid-19 Pandemic offers a similar transformative possibility to the Labour-NZ First-Green Government. Seize the time, Jacinda! You will never have a better ...
    4 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #12, 2020
    Tamper with The System? Well, we already are. But there's a difference between accidentally trickling sand into a precision gearbox versus formulating a plan to alter it on the fly with improvements in mind. One action is more or less innocently unscrupulous, the other amenable to earning an easy ...
    4 days ago
  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    5 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    5 days ago
  • An equitable way to support business
    The Herald reports that the government is planning to lend billions of dollars to large businesses to keep them operating during the pandemic. As with mortgage relief, this is necessary: we need companies to stay in business, to reduce the economic damage and help things get restarted again when this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: Together Alone
    We're about to do something unprecedented as a nation. We hope that by taking this extraordinary action before a single life in New Zealand has been lost to the deadly novel virus we will save tens of thousands of lives. Our  lives. We'll do it together, in households, in isolation ...
    5 days ago
  • Why timing is everything: ‘A time to refrain from embracing’ starts today
    “There is a time for everything,    and a season for every activity under the heavens.”So writes the author of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Old Testament that’s counted as a ‘wisdom’ book and written as if by an unnamed king of Jerusalem. But who would have thought there would be a time ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    5 days ago
  • Dealing with the Covid-19 Tsunami.
    I was surprised when the prime minister described the Economic Response to Covid-19 package as the ‘largest peacetime government spend in New Zealand's history’. Reflecting – checking through history – I realised that the term ‘spend’ was crucial and the package had no income tax cuts. Even so, it has ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    6 days ago
  • What about renters?
    The government today announced the latest part of its pandemic relief package: a six-month mortgage holiday for people whose incomes have been affected by the pandemic. Which is great, because these people are going to need help, and that's what the government should be doing. At the same time, it ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Living within our means.
    Years ago the Argentine sociologist Carlos Weisman wrote a book titled “Living within our Means.” It was a critique of Argentine society that focused on the paradoxical question of why, in a land of plenty, there was so much economic instability, inequality, corruption and political turmoil. His conclusion was basically ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago
  • Transparency and the pandemic
    Parliament will be leading by example and adjourning tomorrow after a special sitting to consider an epidemic notice and state of emergency. Day-to-day oversight of the government will be delegated to a select committee. But that's not the only overight mechanism. The OIA will still be law, and (so far) ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • ‘Overjoyed’: a leading health expert on New Zealand’s coronavirus shutdown, and the challengin...
    Michael Baker, University of Otago Overjoyed. That’s not a word epidemiologists normally use, but that’s how I felt after hearing Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s announcement about New Zealand’s COVID-19 shutdown of everything except essential services for at least four weeks from midnight on Wednesday. More than anything, I just ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago
  • One way to solve the housing crisis
    How much homelessness is caused by house hoarding? We're about to find out. The pandemic has destroyed tourism, which means that house hoarders who put their hoarded properties up as short-term tourist rentals are now offering them on the ordinary rental market:Property investors are pulling properties from Airbnb to offer ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • The pros and cons of planting trees to address global warming
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Bruce Lieberman It seems like such a simple, straightforward, empowering idea: plant trees – a lot of trees – all over the world, and watch the planet’s temperature fall. Who doesn’t love a tree or two, even far more – the right ...
    6 days ago
  • Not a grand coalition, but a government of national salvation
    According to Newshub, Simon Bridges is open to joining a “grand coalition” with Labour as we hunker down to go into a month long lockdown. The idea is sound. Before now, the role of the opposition was to scrutinise and oppose. In the context of what almost amounts to a ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    7 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: hospitality workers & wage subsidy entitlements
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    7 days ago
  • Lifting our game against COVID-19
    We need to be lifting our game against COVID-19. You and I need to help those working to prevent the spread of COVID-19 while they’re trying to lift the testing and treatment efforts. We don’t want to be playing this game running backwards. Best to play it solidly forward, from ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    7 days ago
  • The maths and ethics of minimising COVID-19 deaths in NZ
    Prof Tony Blakely, Prof Michael Baker, and Prof Nick Wilson The NZ Government must do more to clearly articulate its COVID-19 strategy: eradication or ‘flattening the curve’ mitigation. But to do so means understanding the maths and ethics of both these strategies. In this blog, we adapt our work for ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • All aboard the Covid Train
    A few days ago I was starting to write something about the pandemic, which now seems unconscionable. It took the form of a letter to an agony aunt:“Dear Deidre, I have an ugly confession. I am quite excited by Covid-19.”This is how the piece went:“I’m not a psychopath, honest. Although the ...
    PunditBy Phil Vine
    1 week ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #12
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Climate Feedback Article Review... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Reviews... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters The likelihood of extreme events ...
    1 week ago
  • We are all socialists now
    Last week, the government announced a $12 billion initial package to support people during the pandemic. Today, the Reserve Bank is buying government bonds - effectively printing money - to keep up the money supply during the crisis. Normally such moves would have the right apoplectic. Instead, the National Party ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A plea to experts: safeguard your role in public life
    I am a pundit, somebody who opines and comments on the news. There are no real qualifications to punditry though having a rudimentary way with words and good general knowledge helps. That is one reason there is a constant oversupply of would-be pundits and why it is quite hard to ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    1 week ago
  • Enlightenment when?
    I recently encountered the following prescription from a Faculty of Education at a leading New Zealand University. At first I wondered if it was another product of the postmodern generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/), designed to create gibberish in the postmodern form, but I’m told it is real: The “schooled” society: Towards the ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Corballis
    1 week ago
  • What the Crisis Can teach Us
    The coronavirus pandemic has of course had a major impact on individual lives and on societies as a whole. But, long after the crisis has passed (assuming it does), we will begin to realise that its real and lasting significance lies in the lessons it has taught us, if only ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Hammering home measures to stop COVID-19
    COVID-19 has plunged Aotearoa New Zealand (indeed, the world) into territory that, while maybe not totally unprecedented, certainly hasn’t been seen during the lifetimes of most of us here today. Our borders are closed to non-citizens, we’re being told not to gather in groups of more than 500 outside/100 inside, ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    1 week ago
  • What does ‘level two’ mean – and why does it matter?
    For the last few weeks, I’ve been urging you to prepare yourself, your family, business, and community for Covid-19. Now it’s time for real action.  Yesterday the director-general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield announced another 13 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand, bringing our total to date to 52. ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #12
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 15, 2020 through Sat, Mar 21, 2020 Editor's Pick Now Isn’t the Time to Forget About Our Climate Change Efforts   Tasha Tilberg, Lindsey Wixson, and Liu Wen photographed ...
    1 week ago
  • Is the Guardian becoming  a real newspaper again?
    by Jan Rivers The article has been corrected to show that it was Ewen MacAskill, former Guardian journalist and not Luke Harding who travelled to meet Edward Snowden with journalist Glenn Greenwald and filmmaker Laura Poitras.  Some of the Guardian’s well-known journalists who did not sign the protest letter are ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Life asserts itself regardless
    by Cultural Worker Late March 2020 amidst the virus. With gigs crashing and burning all around it was without much hope that I called a long standing rest home booking: “ Hi, I’m supposed to be entertaining at your place this afternoon – is it still on?” “”If you don’t ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Politics, the possible, and the pandemic
    Whenever people demand real change from their politicians, we're told that "politics is the art of the possible". The implication is that change isn't possible, so we'd better just get used to the sucky status quo. But now that there's a pandemic, a lot of things we were previously told ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The Only Way Through This Crisis Is Together.
    Together: In leading New Zealand through the Covid-19 Pandemic, the Prime Minister could do a lot worse than allow herself to be guided by the spirit of collective sacrifice and co-operation that animated the New Zealanders of 80 years ago. Most Kiwis alive today have had no opportunity to prove their ...
    1 week ago
  • GFC vs Covid-19
    It is said that generals fight the last war. In the case of the early stages of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) they had learned from the Great Depression of the 1930s and they fought intelligently and successfully. Later their advice would be ignored in favour of the Austerians who ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • Nobody Left Behind.
    Solidarity Forever: All over the world, the arrival of the Covid-19 virus has exposed the fragility of the walls we erect around ourselves and our loved ones. It has shattered our illusions of autonomy and revealed to us how utterly dependent we all are on other human-beings. Finally, we see ...
    1 week ago
  • Rebuilding a truly “Democratic” counter, or a “moderate Republican” bolt-hol...
    Looking across the various arguments for/against the leading candidates to take the Democratic Nomination, you might honestly be very hard pressed to tell. There are a number of things that have now started happening since Amy Klobuchar and “Mayor Pete” Buttigieg both threw the towel in and immediately (and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Abortion law reform a win for women
    by Daphna Whitmore Abortion is no longer in the Crimes Act in New Zealand. The law reform passed yesterday and now abortion is a medical matter between a woman and her doctor. Many women’s groups and progressive people have campaigned for reform for decades. The women’s liberation movement and some ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • How to spot bogus science stories and read the news like a scientist
    Doug Specht, University of Westminster and Julio Gimenez, University of Westminster When fake news, misreporting and alternative facts are everywhere, reading the news can be a challenge. Not only is there plenty of misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic, climate change and other scientific topics floating around social media, you also ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Why New Zealand needs to continue decisive action to contain coronavirus
    Michael Baker, University of Otago and Nick Wilson, University of Otago With some of the toughest border restrictions and a newly-announced NZ$500 million boost to health services, New Zealand is among a small number of countries with a strategy to contain the COVID-19 pandemic. New Zealand is also fortunate in ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 weeks ago
  • Parliament and the pandemic II
    As expected, the government has introduced a sessional order to allow Parliament to operate during the pandemic. You can read it on the Order Paper here, but the short version is that questions and motions can be filed electronicly, select committees can work remotely, and the the Business Committee can ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • When a virus goes viral: pros and cons to the coronavirus spread on social media
    Axel Bruns, Queensland University of Technology; Daniel Angus, Queensland University of Technology; Timothy Graham, Queensland University of Technology, and Tobias R. Keller, Queensland University of Technology News and views about coronavirus has spread via social media in a way that no health emergency has done before. Platforms like Twitter, Facebook, ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • How to survive 14 days of self-isolation
    So you’ve recently returned from overseas, come into contact with someone who tested positive, got a bit of a dry cough yourself or perhaps just want to self isolate for 14 days to avoid other people who might have COVID-19. Here are a few tips and tricks to help get ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Abortion Legislation Bill passes third reading
    Some fave speeches:     ...
    Boots TheoryBy Stephanie Rodgers
    2 weeks ago
  • Why Leadership Matters – More Than Anything.
    Our Good Fortune: Precisely because she has never been an ideologue (she calls herself a “pragmatic idealist”) Jacinda Ardern has a political nimbleness and spontaneity which, when infused with her exceptional emotional intelligence, produces spectacular demonstrations of leadership. Jacinda's empathic political personality contrasts sharply with the less-than-sunny ways of her ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #11, 2020
    2 weeks ago
  • 68-51
    The Abortion Legislation Bill has just passed its third reading, 68-51. NZ First MPs bailed because their referendum amendment didn't pass, but there were plenty of MPs to provide a majority without them. The bill is a long way from perfect - most significantly, it subjects pregnant people who need ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The ‘herd immunity’ route to fighting coronavirus is unethical and potentially dangerous
    As most of the world tries to suppress the coronavirus spread, some countries are going it alone – trying to manage the pandemic through so-called “herd immunity”. Herd immunity means letting a large number of people catch a disease, and hence develop immunity to it, to stop the virus spreading. ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Eight new COVID-19 cases today. It’s no surprise when you look at some numbers
    So, as I sit at home with a very, very slight headache (i.e. not at work when I would otherwise be so), the now familiar figure of Ashley Bloomfield reports eight new confirmed cases of COVID-19  including two in Waikato. A surprise, given that we had just twelve yesterday? No. ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    2 weeks ago
  • The WINZ Paradox versus the new COVID-19 Reality: Get real people, seriously…
    Many who advocated for, and voted for, the current Coalition – particularly those who voted Labour and the Green Party – expected to see a sea change in the reality of social services. A real, deep change of attitude, approach of process through which the system negotiates the difficult and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • The Air New Zealand bailout
    Stuff reports that the government is going to have to throw $2 - 3 billion at Air new Zealand to get it through the pandemic. Good. While international routes are basicly closed, Air New Zealand is a strategic asset which is vital to our tourism industry, not to mentioning airfreight. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Why NZ’s tough coronavirus travel rules are crucial to protecting lives at home and across the Pac...
    New Zealand’s border restrictions will come with significant job and business losses in the tourism sector, both at home and in the Pacific. But the new travel rules are absolutely necessary to protect the health of New Zealanders and people right across Pacific Islands, because New Zealand is a gateway ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • The tiniest of teeth
    Back in early 2018, as a shoddy legal tactic to try and avoid the prisoner voting ban being formally declared inconsistent with the BORA by the Supreme Court, Justice Minister Andrew Little floated the idea of greater legal protection for human rights. When the Supreme Court case didn't go the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
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