Key on the Teina Pora compensation

Written By: - Date published: 11:24 am, June 16th, 2016 - 74 comments
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Do the Nats have a decent, compassionate bone in their collective bodies?

74 comments on “Key on the Teina Pora compensation”

  1. gsays 1

    On a rare occasion I watched TV news.

    I was struck by the footage of teina pora.
    He was smiling in each clip.

    Wonderful ‘framing’ by the ptb.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 1.1

      That’s the plan by the look of it. Nothing to see here… not even the man who lost a couple of irreplaceable decades.

      I think 8 million is fair.

  2. Richardrawshark 2

    Don’t hate me understand the counter argument

    What about the mongrel mob, what about his family who set him up. what about taking the blame for a crime you did not commit, usually for the promise of a patch and the 10k reward.

    what about the victim losing justice because he chose to take the blame. This was also way before his fetal alcohol syndrome was even known as a problem, what about all the others convicted over the years for lesser crimes that could claim the same defence.

    2.5 mils pretty damn good considering he walked into a polioce station and diverted police resources at a time when results were all that mattered dare I say encouraged by government?

    This is all BS. we have bigger fish to fry and I don’t want to see the opposition stooping too this beat up when we have bigger issues like a government like national.

    Teina is not saying this, everyone else is using it as a political football. give me a break.

    • BM 2.1

      Another sensible comment there, Richard.

    • Bullfuckingshit Richard – injustice is injustice

      Go get your bigger fish if you want – no one is stopping you, what are you waiting for?????

    • M. Gray 2.3

      Actually I don’t agree with you Richard when we see something is wrong, should we just ignore it or challenge it. Too many people have expressed racist and discriminative views on Teina Poras compensation. Unlike you I have grown up with this sort of bull-shert you get sick and tired of this happening so you speak out and take a stand. National need to be accountable for all their policies and actions. I listen to Adams talking this morning and she was saying for compensation they don’t follow the other compensated cases as they are all different. But the law is suppose to follow precedents but they don’t. Funny how the Government can move the goal posts when it suits them. And now we have all these nasty right wing d -heads with their outrageous nasty and entrenched racist/discriminative comments this is not acceptable in our country any longer and people like myself and others will not stand for it.

    • Rosemary McDonald 2.4

      Another way of looking at this is that you’d have to have a significant level of fuckwittedness not to see that Teina Pora had at least a learning disability…if not actually spot that he was seriously affected by FASD/FAD.

      This was most definitely a recognised ‘disorder’ back then…the police should have seen that they were dealing with a person with ‘special needs’.

      Instead, the police exploited his disability and vulnerability.

      For a quick and easy conviction. Picking low hanging fruit.

      Again.

      Double the compensation.

      • JonL 2.4.2

        and take it out of the police budget!

      • framu 2.4.3

        lets not forget that the police had to show pora what house the crime was commited in – he had no idea when asked to point it out

        regardless of whatever sins pora might have done at the time the police had ample chances to pull the plug – they didnt

    • Rae 2.5

      Absolutely none of which makes it okay to imprison someone for a crime they did not commit, especially, as is pretty damned clear, they were fitted up, and none of which means that adequate redress should not be taken once they slow lumberous process of righting the wrong reaches its end.
      This is not Minority Report

    • Tim 2.6

      Agreed richard, the opposition really shouldn’t waste their time on this

  3. Greg 3

    It would mean he doesnt have to work.

  4. shorts 4

    “Do the Nats have a decent, compassionate bone in their collective bodies?”

    No – well not unless it concerns one of their own

  5. Lanthanide 5

    There have been some who are saying he never could have earned that much money in 21 years (given his “poor prospects”), so it’s more than enough for him.

    I think there’s an alternative angle there – would any 18 year old agree to be imprisoned for 21 years, to get a payout of $2.5M at the end of it?

    I doubt it.

    • Richardrawshark 5.1

      Depends on your prospects in life, I actually know plenty around here that would consider it. I know one who was given a house to murder someone in jail, who was already on a murder charge. At that time the house was worth about 100k, you remember the mr Asia’s associates stabbings in the mount don’t you.

      Plenty have done major time for financial assistance.

      you know the police actively or used to do a thing called TIC, taken into consideration, when they ask people they arrest for a crime to take other crimes on themselves for sentence and cooperation browny points in front of the judge?

      good way of fudging stats and making a small number of the population responsible for most of the crimes.

      time people stopped talking shit on justice.

      • Anno1701 5.1.1

        A little bird told me Teina went down to protect an important police informant at the time

        dont know how true that is , but its certainly feasible

      • North 5.1.2

        Time you stopped talking shit instead of talking Justice, Richardrawshark. According to your ‘argument’ a miscarriage of justice is more or less objectionable according to how high or low the victim of that miscarriage of justice sits on the social spectrum.

        Well done on your big fail. However it arises. Racism, scorn for a perceived underclass, or just plain stupid nastiness, it’s a fail. Compounded by your mindless speculation about where Teina Pora would have ended up.

        Amy Adams tells the lie that the Cabinet has implemented Justice Hansen’s report. It has not. Justice Hansen’s report recommended 2.5 adjusted for inflation. While it has discretion to implement that recommendation the cabinet has refused to do so. So hag Adams lies. And you talk the strangest shit.

        • Richardrawshark 5.1.2.1

          Not at all north,

          My points are this.

          He was not that innocent he was an MMM prospect or hanger on. He had connections with Rewa through the gang.– take into consideration for remuneration

          He has already been awarded 2.5 million which is a shit load of money.

          We all know the police cocked up but so did he by perverting the coarse of justice etc.

          Some people act as if the police took advantage of a dumb deaf mute with 3 arms. 70’s early 80’s fetal alchohol syndrome, well known please he’s not a moron.

          The police should have known something was up when he didn’t even know the house.

          His Family should not have encouraged and even went along with the police to get him reconvicted on his appeals where are they held responsible?

          They, Teina and the mob, stuffed up an investigation, and the culture of advancement in the police force for results is not mentioned either.

          everyone including I am sorry to say Teina are at fault and 2.5 mills a load of cash, he’s sorted for life as long as he follows financial advise and isn’t used again.

          How much do you really need? 10 mill? why not 20, how about 21 whats a year in jail worth over that 21 years he may have won lotto twice.

          2.5 mil, he doesn’t want it give it too me then.

          Oh P fkn S, you know who’s moaning, his fkn lawyers straight away, you know why, it’s not about Teina is it? perhaps a little truth about the cut his lawyers are getting. Of coarse THEY want more.

          • McFlock 5.1.2.1.1

            There’s a long history of mentally vulnerable people being coerced into false confessions by police for a “result”.

            Sometimes the cops genuinely thought they had the right person, and got a successful confession.

            Other police just figured they needed someone and the person they had was close enough – if they actually got the right guy it was a happy coincidence.

            The one person in this case who was definitely not at fault was Teina Pora: he was way out of his depth before he even fell in with the MMM crowd, let alone the police.

            • Richardrawshark 5.1.2.1.1.1

              I’ll meet you half way then McFlock give him 5, but heck if 2.5 mil ain’t a fortune, and how can you put any value on any of it? Too even value a year lost of your life when you only get one is immeasurable against the age of the universe and the miniscule amount of time you are alive to enjoy it.

              I just think this is greedy lawyers, and vested interests. How about give him the money already stop bothering him anymore and let him live the rest of his life, or at least make the decision himself.

              • McFlock

                As I said somewhere else, as soon as you start quibbling over the cash, it cheapens the apology.

                It’s like putting money in a charity box, and then demanding change.

                The sum set for Arthur Allan Thomas was $100,000 for every year. That was a nice round number, and maybe half a million in today’s money if he was paid in 1980 so geninely lifechanging.

                So, really, you could simply adjust for inflation or round it up afterwards. But sticking with a thirty year old total is just cheap. Tacky.

          • Trey 5.1.2.1.2

            Yes Richardrawshark Malcolm Rewa had Mongreal Mob connections. No it would be highly unlikely that he would have had contact with Rewa through the gang as Rewa was a patched member of Highway 61.

          • North 5.1.2.1.3

            You’re still talking shit arsehole. The question is whether he did what they said he did and he fucking didn’t so your rave is patent racism and classism. So fuck you little John Key and little Amy Adams. You don’t have an ounce of credibility…….you or one of yours who served 21 years for horrendous crimes you/they didn’t do……would you be giving us racist, classist raving as you are now. No. A plague on you……and yours. Not that yours deserve penalty for your thick outlandishness.

            • Trey 5.1.2.1.3.1

              I totally agree that Teina was wrongfully convicted and deserves compensation.
              My point to richard was that in that Teina was mongrel mob and rewa was highway 61 it further proves that there was no way that he committed the crime.
              Teina should never have been convicted in the first place but “IF” it was just a mistake once Rewa was convicted of the rape Teina should have been automatically released as this proved his innocence.

    • North 5.2

      Excellent point @ 5 Lanth’.

      Demonstrates the ludicrousness of the speculation that Teina was headed nowhere anyway and accordingly the miscarriage of justice he suffered is markedly less egregious than it would be for those whose prospects we speculate to be much brighter.

      To the extent that Bill Hodge of Auckland University engaged that speculation and produced an obviously misbegotten analysis suggests a classism in him which I can barely believe lives there. He must have been having an off day.

  6. Skinny 6

    Mr Key says “there are plenty of people who think Mr Pora didn’t deserve $2.5 million.”

    Who are these people saying this? 20 years wrongfully locked up behind bars and plenty of people say Pora is deserving of nothing.

    What a deceitful liar Key is!

    • Yep + 1 on that skinny

    • M. Gray 6.2

      Compulsive liar and so is his Minister of Social development its a prerequisite for being part of the party

    • Johan 6.3

      Mr Key doesn’t hide “being an idiot” very well;-)))

    • gsays 6.4

      Hi skinny, dunno about you.. I would prefer my ‘leaders’ to operate with higher principles than ‘ what some people think’ or ‘I reckon’.

      • M. Gray 6.4.1

        Its interesting that people have not talked much about the culprits here and that is our Police force. Our taxes are paying for their f …ups and how many have they made and continue to make.

  7. fisiani 8

    Key was correct “the cabinet does not have to pay compensation”
    Factually correct.
    Choosing to make a payment was a compassionate choice.

    • Rosemary McDonald 8.1

      “Choosing to make a payment was a compassionate choice.”

      NO.

      If anything, it was a cold, cynical PR exercise.

    • “the cabinet does not have to pay compensation” may well be “Factually correct” but your;
      “Choosing to make a payment was a compassionate choice” is nothing more than opinion. I note, fisiani, that your opinions are given little credence here and I can see why that is.

    • Richardrawshark 8.3

      You got your shades on Fisiani, you know the sunshine beaming out of John Keys arse is blinding don’t you?

    • Clare 8.4

      go away nasty person

  8. ankerawshark 9

    I really object to Key’s comments “If he doesn’t like it he can give it back” or words to that effect.

    Kind of like, “like it or lump it”. A terrible thing to say to somebody wrongfully imprisoned for 20 years. Disgusting and heartless.

  9. Mark Wilson 10

    Just because you don’t agree with someone’s point of view does not make them lacking a “decent, compassionate bone in their collective bodies” or :”disgusting and heartless.”
    The left get bogged down in a fantasy world where reality doesn’t intrude.
    The issue is that the right understand that wishing and hoping gets zero results.

    For a start Pora will not get to see all but a fraction of the money by the time his feral relatives (read what the judge said about them) and the Mongrel Mob take the money – what hope has someone with his mental abilities of keeping the money – nil!

    Why should the taxpayer fund the Mongrel Mob?

    • North 10.1

      The damp squib PM effetely witters on with “I do worry…… ” about the little prince getting responses to his “look at me look at me…..” show-off antics. Yet in respect of Justice for Teina (and, therefore, for the nation) it’s pretty much yawn……followed by a dog whistle to racist sociopaths. Suggestion…….Teina is bloody lucky to be getting anything, more or less. Again……no parent would hold out as a role model this characterless detritus Key.

    • North 10.2

      Ladies and Gentlemen………I give you the fetid racist and sociopath, Mark Wilson !

    • McFlock 10.3

      isn’t it going into a trust for him? Thought I saw that on the news last night.

      So try again, marky mark

      • North 10.3.1

        Actually, it’s not the business of fucking racists where the fucking money goes. Of course the racists (and there’re a few call themselves Lefties who’ve shown themselves to be racists on this thread) will underline their racism by questioning every fucking aspect of things……point is none of these wiseacres spent 21 years banged up and wore the stamp of “murderer……rapist”, as TOTALLY undeservedly did Teina.

        Whom EVERYONE now knows was never a murderer or a rapist. Thank you very much Super-Vanity-Cop-Steve- Rutherford now living in deservedly ignominious retirement in the Bay of Plenty or somewhere. You stole 21 years of a man’s life, arsehole. And I’m very sad to learn that it was Paul Davison QC now a High Court judge who twice ‘successfully’ prosecuted Teina. Twice sent him to jail for crimes we all now know he never committed. That’s where ‘The Law’ loses all it’s meaning.

        And thank you very much racist fucking idiots who somehow overlook the fact that he never never never fucking did it. Idiots. It’s like they think he’s ‘sort of’ guilty. No wonder that Ponce Key keeps getting re-elected in this country. With thinking like that spoofing all over. No respect. None at all. Especially for shits who call themselves Left.

    • Hanswurst 10.4

      Just because you don’t agree with someone’s point of view does not make them lacking a “decent, compassionate bone in their collective bodies” or :”disgusting and heartless.”

      You’re absolutely right. What makes them disgusting and heartless is publicly treating an issue of ruining somebody’s life purely as a matter of accountancy, and lying by saying that the government’s hands were tied in setting the sum.

      One of the biggest problems with the Right is that they live in a fantasy world in which arguments from principle and reason are seen merely as assaults on their God-given “freedom” to have things happen as they please.

    • Halfcrown 10.5

      “The left get bogged down in a fantasy world where reality doesn’t intrude.”

      No they don’t mate, what they like to see is a bit of justice and fair play. But I realise fair play and justice to you right wingers is treated as a fantasy, you don’t know the meaning of, because in the Ayn Randian dreamworld there are no such things as fair play or justice – Oh, yes there is, I forgot, the more money you have, the more fair play and justice you will be shown. It is survival of the fittest, fuck you Jack get out of the fucking way as there is a dollar to be made (note, made not earned) and as I have a few dollars I have an overwhelming sense of entitlement.
      Sure you are right saying it could end up in the hands of the Mongrel Mob, but hopefully his team of lawyers who appear to be very compassionate are advising him on how to safeguard his money.
      I also would not like to see my contribution to the tax take ending up in the hands of the Mongrel Mob, no more than Rio Tinto or A J Hacket, or Warners, Jackson, or private schools, or Charter Schools, etc but he well deserves compensation like lots and after he has been paid wherever it ends up is not our concern.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.6

      The left get bogged down in a fantasy world where reality doesn’t intrude.

      Meanwhile, on Earth, the question of whether right wingers in general are heartless is a matter of opinion. Personally I think they’re incompetent, corrupt, greedy and dishonest, because I can measure those things against objective criteria.

      I note your utter disregard for Teina Pora’s human rights. and venture to suggest that, since you seem literate, and possibly therefore, educated, your ethics may be lower than even the Mongrel Mob’s.

      What’s your excuse for promoting your pathetic vengeance fantasies over his right to compensation?

      • Halfcrown 10.6.1

        Nice one Anonymous

      • North 10.6.2

        The telling point however is this……see one of ‘their’ little boys or girls in the shit…….up in court or whatever…….oh there are a thousand reasons why it’s just a terrible mistake……why this good kid really shouldn’t be proceeded against, or at least must be treated advantageously differently. Yes I see it daily and daily I see District Court judges finding reasons why this little darling shouldn’t be treated roughly like the next defendant called……the little Maori boy or the little Island boy. And oh how they the judges congratulate themselves nevertheless.

        I’m 40 years in practice now and to my discredit it’s only been in the last two or three years that I’ve recognised the foul discriminatory essence of it. Why else do we have this extraordinary over-representation of brown people in the hinaki ?

  10. Ross 11

    Apparently National told Pora that he had to make an “immediate” decision whether to accept or decline its miserly offer. WTF?

    Anyway, Amy Adams has now said that the offer isn’t time bound. All National has to do is adjust the offer for inflation and give Pora $4.5 million. That’s what a compassionate government would do.

    Labour-Greens could of course state unequivocally that when elected it will fairly compensate Pora and won’t be so miserable as to short-change successful applicants. National were quick to pay millions to Rio Tinto but a guy who’s spent 21 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit, meh.

    http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/why-isnt-cabinet-doing-what-it-says-it-should-for-teina-pora

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/81141316/teina-pora-may-challenge-25-million-compensation-offer-from-government

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      We are not asking for Government to act “compassionately” – we are asking Government to act justly.

    • North 11.2

      Yeah, that’s what I want. In the next election campaign level up against that effete thing The Ponce Key a promise to make a further payment of at least 2.5 mill’. To sheet home that we are a nation concerned with righting injustice as best we can, as opposed to further slighting the victim of that injustice. And of course the victims of the injustice include that poor woman and her family. In that their emotions and their pain were commandeered and so disrespected as to have them understand and believe at least initially that Teina Pora took their loved one from them. An outrage which they are now wise to.

    • North 11.3

      How much did the Saudi ‘sheep farmer’ get ?

      • M. Gray 11.3.1

        21million spent on Keys flag pet project and millions on the Saudi farm bribe and NZ women can’t and won’t get more paid maternity leave and we have low birth rates so we have to rely on immigration very sad indeed.
        Family violence on the rise and no money for our Womens refuges.

  11. Ross 12

    Let’s not forget that former Justice Minister Judith Collins had the opportunity to pardon Teina Pora but she preferred that he spend more time in prison.

    Collins of course was a big supporter of Peter Ellis and, when she was in Opposition, signed a petition requesting a Commission of Inquiry into his case. But as soon as she became a Minister, she quickly lost interest in Peter Ellis.

    She doesn’t seem to have any political will or moral courage where miscarriages of justice are concerned.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/9020990/Govt-must-not-intrude-on-courts

    • M. Gray 12.1

      Her and her husband are too busy plundering our swamp Kauri up North and selling our water overseas

  12. dave 13

    the is no justice with national bain and pora should walk away from any dealing with this rotten corrupt government you will only get justice from a government that has principles it tisn’t the key government.

  13. dave 14

    key has basically said stiff shit to pora ,bain ,and rest of the wrongly convicted and the homeless god this fuckin government has to go .

  14. vto 15

    .

    key has no soul

    .

    • Mosa 15.1

      Or decency ,morals, honesty, compassion,sincerity, self respect, courage, a concience, decency, or principles.

  15. vto 16

    Amy Adams cringing justification mincespeak two days ago, and her explanations of how the system works.. well ……..

    Adams said “The system works well with its appeal processes in that it picks up cases such as Taina’s. However, this proves the system works to avoid injustice because 99.999% of cases never get overturned.”

    ….. jeeezzuz….

    Did Adams suggest that the system only gets it wrong 0.001% of the time?????

    Does anybody believe that?????

    I would suggest that the 99.999% of the time statistic indicates that the system is NOT working, not that it IS working… That 99.999% figure indicates that there are many more people suffering injustice as that figure should be significantly lower…

    Does anybody know where else in human society and history, people and their systems get things right 99.999% of the time??? If so, I would like to hear it..

    It
    does
    not
    happen

    the 99.999% figure indicates failure not success

    never trust the crown

  16. Ross 17

    Now police are saying that Pora is in fact guilty! Breath-taking. Is it any wonder that miscarriages of justice don’t get corrected or, for those that do, can take a very long time.

    Detective Superintendent Andy Lovelock – who holds the Burdett homicide file – told Stuff’s investigative team in a phone conversation on June 3: “The police position is that Teina Pora is a co-offender with Malcolm Rewa. That hasn’t changed.”

    By then, police had a copy of the report which has declared Pora innocent.

    The pursuit of Pora appears to have been relentless, with detectives seeking new evidence right up until the case went to the Privy Council in late 2014.

    Then, in February this year, on hearing one of the witnesses who assisted Pora’s case was dying “the police approached him to see if he wanted to change his evidence”, McKinnel says.

    “It was at the time when the case was in the hands of Justice Hansen. They had all the evidence pointing towards Teina’s innocence in their hands. And yet here they are approaching a man who they knew was dying – and did die soon after that – to see if he would change his evidence. That to me says everything you need to know”.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/81164960/teina-pora-police-continued-to-seek-evidence-to-get-him-at-all-costs

  17. North 18

    The Police adopted a similar ‘never say die and stuff justice’ approach in the David Dougherty miscarriage of justice. As I recall in the second round their pose was that if Dougherty wasn’t the sole offender then he was present as a criminal accomplice who did not himself physically offend. “If he didn’t do it he facilitated it…..” sort of thing. Now the same pose with Teina apparently. How do they sleep at night ? I know……reflexive resort to their essential racism and their detestation of those they perceive as a perpetually guilty underclass.

  18. Mosa 19

    I would like to acknowledge that the victim Susan Burdett died a horrible death in what was supposed to be the safety of her own Home where she should have been safe.
    This seems to be forgotten here and the anguish for her family never goes away.

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    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    5 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    6 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    7 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    7 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    1 week ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 week ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago

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