web analytics

Key’s lies are nothing new

Written By: - Date published: 11:39 am, July 29th, 2010 - 26 comments
Categories: accountability, john key, national - Tags: ,

The Nats lied and promised their way in to an election win in 2008. That was always going to make it difficult for them as the honeymoon glow wore off. Now they’re being squarely confronted with their failure on one of their biggest empty promises of all. Even John Armstrong (eventually) gets it:

Key figures out how to bamboozle with the best of them

A politician who does not twist statistics to suit his or her argument is not by definition a politician. John Key’s big attraction, however, has stemmed from being seen to be not indulging in such behaviour. But yesterday, the Prime Minister revealed he is is as capable of Machiavellian manipulation of the figures as the rest of the pack.

It could be argued that he had no choice but to defend his Economic Development Minister, Gerry Brownlee. But Key’s choice of figures was nothing short of outrageous in being so brazenly selective.

Brownlee got into trouble in Parliament the day before by claiming that the income gap between New Zealand and Australia had narrowed since National came to power in 2008.

Labour MPs did their own calculations. Finding their figures contradicted Brownlee’s assertion, they sought to ping him, while leaving the Prime Minister with the dilemma of contradicting a senior Cabinet colleague or backing him even though he was wrong. Loyalty dictated John Key take the support option.

Ummm – WTF? Sorry, snorted my coffee there. Loyalty to Gerry dictates that Key lie? How about loyalty to the country?

To loud guffaws from the Labour benches, Key told Parliament that he had been advised that the gap between gross average weekly earnings in Australia and New Zealand, adjusted for purchasing power parity, was $160.25. “That is certainly a lot less than it was in 2005, when it was $187.60.”

Indeed it is. But National did not win the 2005 election. It was elected in 2008 when – according to Key’s own figures – the income gap had narrowed to $138. Since then, the gap has widened by around $22. Without those figures in front of them and still coming to grips with Key adjusting them for “purchasing power parity”, all this seemed to pass Opposition MPs by. So Key did it again.

When Labour leader Phil Goff asked why Key and Brownlee were spreading this “misinformation”, the Prime Minister kept spreading and fudging. …

And so on. Well, it may be a revelation to Armstrong that Nice Mr Key is a liar, but there are plenty of us out here to whom this is very old news indeed.

26 comments on “Key’s lies are nothing new”

  1. tsmithfield 1

    Armstrong agrees with the figures that Key gave. So why call it a lie?

    • Bored 1.1

      Sometimes you get a moment of pure joy. I just looked at the who posted box and saw tsmithfield on Key’s lies are nothing new ….the instant thought occured without having to read the article that one of those little moment had just occured, something oxymoronic in the line above stood out like the proverbial…a post from Mr Mendacity himself on lies.

    • joe bloggs 1.2

      TS – calling John Key’s comments lies goes with the turf unfortunately. The paranoid conspiracy theorists on the left have a nasty habit of pointing the bone at the right and this posting’s another sorry example.

      Look no further at the rabid Left-wing outrage over Paula Bennett – even when Natasha Fuller admitted to fabricating evidence she presented to 3 News, the cries of corruption continued.

      And so another commentator at The Standard has just shown what muck rakers the neo-lib left really are.

    • Ari 1.3

      Because he’s comparing oranges to mandarins by trying to imply he’s grown wages.

      He’s trying to claim he’s improved wages since the election, but he’s talking a low figure from the middle of Labour’s term, (instead of the figure at the beginning of his own term of government) and comparing it with now. That would be like me saying that everyone should buy their own home after having inherited a family house from my parents, say.

  2. tsmithfield 2

    Key told Parliament that he had been advised that the gap between gross average weekly earnings in Australia and New Zealand, adjusted for purchasing power parity, was $160.25. “That is certainly a lot less than it was in 2005, when it was $187.60.’

    Indeed it is.

    Key made an entirely factual statement. As the quote above shows, Armstrong agrees with that. Key can make a comparison with any time period he wants to. He clearly stated the comparison period was 2005. No lie in that so why say there is? Heck, even Marty’s graph on the previous article agrees with this.

    • jimmy 2.1

      lol ts, boss hog was elected in 2008 not 2005. I believe the point of the post was about picking and choosing statistics. Whats the quote again? Lies, outright lies….

    • Pascal's bookie 2.2

      “But ts’s choice of Armstrong quote was nothing short of outrageous in being so brazenly selective.”

    • Kevin Welsh 2.3

      Shit, why stop there? Why not go back 10, 20 30 40 years? Or even better, why not do what you usually do and pick on an obscure part of the argument and hijack the thread in an entirely different direction.

    • MikeG 2.4

      ts – you also have to look at what question Key was answering. It was asked in the context of the National govt closing the wages gap with Australia – so why did he go way back to 2005 – that was still the 2nd term of the Labour govt?!!

      Even Farrar has admitted that Brownlee made a fool of himself around this issue.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.5

      Defending the indefensible again I see TS.

      Jonkey lied by omission (he purposefully left out critical information that disproved what he said) but it’s still lying.

  3. tsmithfield 3

    All he was doing was comparing the worst point under Labour with the worst point under National. That is a perfectly valid comparison to make. If National had just left office then it would be appropriate to compare the end point under Labour with the end point under National.

    • Lanthanide 3.1

      A valid comparison is not the same as a relevant comparison. You can make all the “valid comparisons” you want, but if they aren’t relevant, they don’t matter.

      • Ari 3.1.1

        Actually, validity requires relevance, because validity is the logical process of laying out a link between factual claims and a hypothetical conclusion. Irrelevant information to an argument is never valid, but it can be factual.

    • jimmy 3.2

      Yeah the point BEFORE working for families took full effect. No massive redistribution would close the gap, oh wait…

      Anti spam: wait

    • Draco T Bastard 3.3

      TS, he lied in an attempt to make the NACT government look good. It was, and is, immoral.

  4. John Armstrong 4

    Tsmithfield…You are reading too much into what I wrote.. I was not making any judgment on the accuracy of Key’s figures, merely pointing out that ‘indeed” $160.25 is less than $187.60. I was trying to show Key was being highly selective, even when quoting his own figures. The piece was a parliamentary sketch — not an analysis of the actual size of the income gap.

    • tsmithfield 4.1

      I do realise this John.

      However, I have just been making the point that it is a real stretch to call it a lie.

  5. T(its-on-a-bull)Smithfield 5

    TSmithfield – ‘it would be appropriate to compare the end point under Labour with the end point under National.’
    Please say you are looking at the imminent ending of this regime…..or just the last time this electorate got wise and got rid of this sort of appallingly crappy dangerous self-interested bossman style of governance.
    captcha – shames

  6. Blue 6

    If you want a good laugh, have a read of Duncan Garner’s latest blog on this topic.

    The last sentence alone is pure comedy gold.

  7. johnbrash 7

    John Key is a liar who does not care about working people. I live in a small rural town and most people do not trust John Key. I think it is disgusting that a man like John Key can be in government when he does not represent the majority of New Zealanders.

    • graham 7.1

      Your town must be out of step with new zealand if you look at the polls.
      A small question does anyone work in your town ?

  8. Pat 8

    Speaking of lies, hows this one for a doozey:

    “So does Phil Goff have your full support until the next election”

    Cunners: “Yes he does”.

    • eye saw 8.1

      Cunners”That is the election for leader of the opposition not the general election”.

      Liar?.

      Depends how you look at it.

  9. tsmithfield – I had something to say to you, but saw my anti-spam word first, so I’ll simply pass that on to you.

    embarrassed

    • graham 9.1

      Heres a question?
      Every day john key is abused here called shonkey,liar,corrupt etc but yet he is the most popular PM in 30 years.National is over 50% in the polls. so either the people dont believe the Standard or no reads it?

Links to post

Leave a Comment

Show Tags

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Hotel no place for children in care
    ...
    2 days ago
  • Maybe not, Minister? Nick Smith’s housing measure suppressed
    Sir Humphrey: Minister, remember the Housing Affordability Measure work you asked us to prepare back in 2012? Well, it’s ready now.Minister Smith: Oh goodie, what does it say?Sir Humphrey: Nothing.Minister Smith: Nothing?Sir Humphrey: Well, sir, you asked us to prepare ...
    2 days ago
  • Inflation data shows many New Zealanders are worse off under National
    The latest inflation data from Statistics New Zealand shows that too many New Zealanders are now worse off under the National Government, said Labour’s Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson “Consumer Price Inflation (CPI) is now running at 2.2 per cent, and ...
    3 days ago
  • Another emergency housing grant blow out
      Emergency housing grants data released today show another blow out in spending on putting homeless people up in motels, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.   ...
    3 days ago
  • Families struggle as hardship grants increase
    The considerable increase in hardship grants shows that more and more Kiwi families are struggling to put food on the table and pay for basic schooling, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. ...
    3 days ago
  • More tinkering, no leadership from Nats on immigration
    National’s latest tinkering with the immigration system is another attempt to create the appearance of action without actually doing anything meaningful, says Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. ...
    4 days ago
  • Suicide figures make for grim reading
    The 506 suspected suicides of Kiwis who have been in the care of mental health services in the last four years show that these services are under severe stress, says Labour’s Health spokesperson David Clark.   “If you do the ...
    5 days ago
  • Pay equity deal a victory for determination and unions
    The pay equity settlement revealed today for around 55,000 low-paid workers was hard-won by a determined Kristine Bartlett backed by her union, up against sheer Government resistance to paying Kiwis their fair share, says Labour Leader Andrew Little. “Labour welcomes ...
    5 days ago
  • DHB’s forced to make tough choices
    The Minister of Health today admitted that the country’s District Health Boards were having to spend more than their ring fenced expenditure on Mental Health, says Labour’s Health spokesperson David Clark.   “The situation is serious with Capital and Coast ...
    1 week ago
  • Nats break emergency housing pledge – deliver just five more places
    Despite National’s promises of 2,200 emergency housing beds, just 737 were provided in the March Quarter, an increase of only five from six months earlier, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    1 week ago
  • Research underlines need for KiwiBuild
    New research showing the social and fiscal benefits of homeownership underlines the need for a massive government-backed building programme like KiwiBuild, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Social data security review too little, too late
    The independent review into the Ministry of Social Development’s individual client level data IT system is too little, too late, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. “The Minister of Social Development has finally seen some sense and called for ...
    2 weeks ago
  • More questions raised on CERA conflicts
    With the admission that three more former CERA staff members are under suspicion of not appropriately managing conflicts of interest related to the Canterbury rebuild, it’s imperative that CERA’s successor organisation Ōtākaro fronts up to Parliamentary questions, says Labour’s Canterbury ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour to tackle Hutt housing crisis
    Labour will build a mix of 400 state houses and affordable KiwiBuild homes in the Hutt Valley in its first term in government to tackle the housing crisis there, says Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. “Housing in the Hutt ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Farewell to John Clarke
    This wonderfully talented man has been claimed by Australia, but how I remember John Clarke is as a young Wellington actor who performed satirical pieces in a show called “Knickers” at Downstage Theatre. The show featured other future luminaries like ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    2 weeks ago
  • Valedictory Speech
    Te papa pounamu Aotearoa NZ Karanga karanga karanga; Nga tupuna Haere haere haere; Te kahui ora te korowai o tenei whare; E tu e tu ... tutahi tonu Ki a koutou oku hoa mahi ki Te Kawanatanga; Noho mai noho ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Buck stops with Gerry Brownlee
    The fact that the State Services Commission has referred the CERA conflict of interest issue to the Serious Fraud Office is a positive move, but one that raises serious questions about the Government’s oversight of the rebuild, says Labour Canterbury ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Teachers deserve a democratic Education Council
    Teachers around New Zealand reeling from the news that their registration fees could more than double will be even angrier that the National Government has removed their ability to have any say about who sits on the Council that sets ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Free trade backers are simply out of touch
    Are the backers of free trade out of touch with public opinion? This was the question asked when the Chartered Accountants launched their Future of Trade study. I was astonished by the answer in a room of free trade enthusiasts ...
    GreensBy Barry Coates
    2 weeks ago
  • John Clarke aka Fred Dagg will be missed by all Kiwis
    The man who revolutionised comedy on both sides of the Tasman, John Clarke, will be sadly missed by Kiwis and Aussies alike, says the Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little.   “I grew up with Fred Dagg and I am ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s modern approach to monetary policy
    A commitment to full employment and a more transparent process to provide market certainty are the hallmarks of Labour’s proposals for a new approach to monetary policy, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Greens back Labour’s plan for monetary policy reform
    Labour plans to change the way we do monetary policy in New Zealand and the Green Party supports them fully. We’re now of a single mind on this. Labour will move away from our reliance on a single, unelected person ...
    GreensBy robert.ashe
    2 weeks ago
  • Greens back Labour’s monetary policy reform
    Labour plans to change the way we do monetary policy in New Zealand and the Green Party supports them fully. We’re now of a single mind on this. Labour will move away from our reliance on a single, unelected person ...
    GreensBy James Shaw
    2 weeks ago
  • Govt drops ball on Masters Games housing squeeze
    Families currently living in emergency accommodation face being forced out onto the street as motel accommodation in Auckland is filled up by contestants and visitors of the World Masters Games in coming weeks, says Labours social development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • State inquiry for Nga Morehu – The Survivors of State Abuse
    The Prime Minister must show humanitarian leadership and launch an independent inquiry into historic claims of abuse of children who were in State care, says Labour’s Deputy Leader Jacinda Ardern. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Coleman – ‘overwhelmed by disinterest’ and ‘conked out’
    Today’s trenchant criticism of the Government’s health policy by Ian Powell the executive director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists must trigger action by the Minister, says Labour’s spokesperson for Health David Clark. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Statement on Syria
    Like the rest of the world, I have been horrified at the chemical attack on innocent Syrians that led to the deaths of so many men, women and children,” says Labour Leader Andrew Little. “The deliberate attack on civilians as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The hard truth about that soft drink ad
    I am relieved that Pepsi has pulled its ridiculous commercial that obscenely co-opted the #BlackLivesMatter movement. At the very least, it was an awkward failure that tried too hard to be something it could never be. At its worst, it ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    2 weeks ago
  • Journalism Matters: Interesting the public in the public interest
    Last week I launched two policies to support Kiwi journalism because as Bill Moyers put it, “the quality of democracy and the quality of journalism is deeply intertwined.” Journalism matters because it’s how we discover what’s happening in our world, ...
    GreensBy Gareth Hughes
    2 weeks ago
  • Homeownership rate hits new low; KiwiBuild needed now
    The homeownership rate has fallen to just 63.1 per cent, according to Statistics New Zealand’s newly released Dwelling and Household estimates. That’s down three per cent under National to the lowest level since 1951, confirming the need for Labour’s KiwiBuild ...
    2 weeks ago
  • OECD endorses Labour’s Future of Work approach
    An OECD report released today, highlighting the need for increased support for workers who are made redundant, is a strong endorsement of the direction of Labour’s Future of Work Commission, says Labour’s Employment spokesperson Grant Robertson. “We welcome the OECD’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The Government knows diddly squat about health funding
    Asked about the funding of the Auckland Regional Public Health Service, the Associate Minister of Health was at sea today on the typhoid outbreak, says Labour’s Health spokesperson David Clark.   “When I asked Nicky Wagner who was responsible for the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Nicky Wagner blames disability workers for Govt’s funding failure
    Nicky Wagner displayed disrespect and sheer arrogance when she insulted disability support workers today, says Labour’s Disability Issues spokesperson Poto Williams. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Parata in denial over special education crisis
    Hekia Parata has her head buried in the sand when it comes to the pressure that schools are under as they attempt to cope with an increasing number of children with severe behavioural and other learning support needs, says Labour’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Data-for-funding move hits Privacy roadblock
    The Government’s much-criticised grab for private client data from social service organisations has suffered another defeat after the Privacy Commissioner’s damning report, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni. “This is a defeat for the Government’s plans to force social ...
    2 weeks ago
  • New research shows need for government-led house building
    Research by economist Shamubeel Eaqub shows the need for the government to lead the building of affordable starter homes, as would happen under Labour’s KiwiBuild policy, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Kiwis need answers on typhoid outbreak
      The Ministry of Health wasn’t told about the typhoid outbreak until 11 days after three people from the same church were admitted to hospital, says Labour’s spokesperson for Health David Clark.   “It is no longer credible for the Minister ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Maori Party gets it wrong again on RMA
    The Māori Party is missing the big picture on National’s Resource Management Act reforms by supporting a fundamentally flawed Bill, says Labour’s Local Government spokesperson Meka Whaitiri. ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Maori Party error own goal on GM
    The Maori Party amendment to the Resource Legislation Amendment Bill does not achieve what they say it does on genetic modification, says Labour’s Environment spokesperson David Parker. “Their amendment relates to the new powers given to the Minister to over-ride ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Is the Government dragging its feet on typhoid?
    Serious questions have been raised about the Government’s handling of the Auckland typhoid outbreak which has claimed a life, says Labour’s Health spokesperson David Clark.   “It’s tragic that a woman has died and that at least 15 people have ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Tell us what you think is great
    We think Aotearoa is great so we’re incredibly excited to show you this video campaign. It’s the result of a five-day adventure around New Zealand where over 80 people shared their homes, their unique part of the country and their ...
    GreensBy James Shaw
    3 weeks ago
  • Need for independent inquiry still remains
    The need for an independent inquiry to get to the bottom of allegations still remains despite the Prime Minister’s stubborn refusal to call one, says Labour Leader Andrew Little. “Bill English has again failed to do the right thing and ...
    3 weeks ago