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2:49 pm, May 31st, 2016 - 19 comments
Categories: housing, john key, labour, national, spin - Tags: geof simmons, houses, housing, housing crisis, lies, state houses
Good work by Geoff Simmons at the Morgan Foundation:
Fact check: John Key & Steven Joyce on housing
In a speech on Friday, Prime Minister John Key claimed that under National, twice as many new houses were being built as under Labour. Steven Joyce followed that up by stating “Auckland’s housing problems are a regulatory issue, primarily, and [the result of] a long period of under investment in housing which was caused by a strangling of red tape.”
Are they right? Only if you are prepared to contort the statistics in the most favourable way possible.
Key’s spin is to compare the lowest point possible under Labour – as the GFC was kicking in, to the highest under National. If you compare averages:
In fact, under Labour around 600 more houses were built per quarter than under National’s term thus far.
That was about housing consents. What about state houses? This graph was going the rounds on Twitter a while back. Labour builds the houses.
Morgan Foundation fact-check of the govt's housing bullshit: https://t.co/jXUXqDTnlw tl;dr, it's a fact that it's bullshit
— Alex (@ShakingStick) May 30, 2016
Fact checking by the Morgan Foundation. Seems the Nats may just not be very good at housing. https://t.co/y14yOM2a3Q pic.twitter.com/KjhgzAlgJA
— Deborah Russell MP 🐝 (@BeeFaerie) May 31, 2016
Why has MSM not exposed his lie?
That’s a rhetorical question, right?
What has the National Party not exposed the lies of the National Party?
Anything Key says is now to be taken with a grain of salt. At his very best a lie wrapped in the truth is all we get.
The Morgan Foundation could do some good by just becoming the NZ version of Politifact.
Contort statistics in politics?, shock horror scandal So its true in some context and not in others, wow what and observation I will be mindful of not taking everything a politician says in future as gospel now that I know they may just be construing statistics in thier favour , thank you for this profound enlightenment
In which context is it true?
Are they right? Only if you are prepared to contort the statistics in the most favourable way possible
Joyce and Key? You’re correct, they are only right if the statistics are contorted in the most favourable way.
I’m sure he’s comfortable with that actually.
Yeah, politicians tell lies, so… let’s just sit back and let them. That’ll fix everything. Good plan, General Melchett.
I, for one, have had it with politicians continued lying to the public. I don’t know what is worse….the lying by people who are meant to be working for US……or…..the continual shrugging of shoulders and ..”well, what do you expect…they all do it” and acceptance, passive or active by a population who seem inurred by the whole damned sordid spectacle and accept all this bullshit!
You get the politicians you deserve…………how low has society sunk.
That consent graph actually tells a story in itself. You can see the effect that the Building Act 2004 had on Auckland!
While it was an absolutely necessary Act to ensure we don’t end up with another leaky home situation, it is clear that the Act also brought building in Auckland to a standstill.
All of which would go to back up the point that Steven Joyce was making.
It would be interesting to get the numbers for the attached graph, as it does look by eye that consents across 2015 full year would be about double the consent for 2008 full year, in which case Geoff Simmons may have just proven John Key to be telling the truth…hard to tell though because I can’t find the John Key full quote anywhere…
Yeah right. More like it reinforces why the idiots from National are useless at housing.
That hiatus was correcting National’s previous complete fuckup with their deregulation of the building standards causing the leaky building disaster in the first place.
I wasn’t exactly happy to find myself in a leaky building in 2006 due to lax building inspections in 1997/8. The numbers of builders crawling over my apartment block and virtually all of the housing built under National’s idiotic deregulation and lax liabilities was why there weren’t any to build any houses. They did it for more than decade and I still see a lot of housing going under the white plastic every month to still fix up National’s unimaginable lazy idiocy.
Tends to point to why National MPs should never be allowed to touch housing policy. They always screw it up as badly as they have this time.
Ummm what was your ‘point’ again? National are born-to-screw-up?
That National took 6 years to get building consents above the level that was occurring under Labour during the leaky building crisis and then the GFC; but nowhere near the level under labour previous to that.
The GFC didn’t kick in until the dying months of the Labour Government. National managed the majority of the fall out from 2008.
The consents graph shows a rapid decline from 2004 through 2008, and then a gradual increase ever since, accelerating in recent years. The graph also omits current activity, which has consenting at historically record levels.
It is also ludicrous to publish a graph about state housing in a post about house building more broadly. The government does not need to own social housing, in fact it would far better if it owned less, and let the market provide houses where the need is the highest.
The government does not need to own social housing, in fact it would far better if it owned less, and let the market provide houses where the need is the highest.
Clearly the current state of people living in cars in Auckland makes a mockery of such a statement. And before you blame council or government for that please note that there is at least 20K empty houses (I heard national supporters tell me that it is more like 60K) plus more than enough land already consented to be built on that is not…
People have always lived in cars in Auckland. Under bridges, in public parks, it’s been going on for years. I highly recommend you read Chester Burrows analysis at http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/80470425/mp-chester-borrows-has-his-bulldust-radar-on-high-alert. He calls bs on these claims well and truly.
Sunny on planet key currently bob out on one of the many golf courses.
Meanwhile at a recent Master builder conference it was reported that builders would leave the industry if they had to guarantee the standard of their house building. Nekminit….. we have a shortage of builders. This government is getting sillier by the day. Don’t worry, the market will provide! Isn’t that how we got into this crazy situation?