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Annette King, Phil Twyford, David Clark and Shane Jones to the front bench.
Moroney and Little promoted and given added responsibilities.
Mallard sent to the backbenches, where Cunliffe stays (although now with portfolios).
Hipkins to Education full-time.
They’re already in order here (although only first 20 are “ranked”, and if Clark is “front bench” the front bench now extends to 12…)
1 David Shearer – Leader; Security Intelligence Service; Science and Innovation
2 Grant Robertson – Deputy Leader; Employment, Skills and Training; Arts, Culture and Heritage
3 David Parker – Finance; Attorney-General
4 Jacinda Ardern – Social Development; Children; Assoc Arts Culture and Heritage
5 Clayton Cosgrove – SOEs; Commerce; Trade Negotiations; Assoc Finance
6 Annette King – Health
Pending final AG Report: Shane Jones – Regional Development; Forestry; Assoc Finance
8 Phil Twyford – Housing; Auckland Issues; Assoc Environment
9 Maryan Street – Environment; Disarmament and Arms Control; Assoc Foreign Affairs (ODA)
10 Chris Hipkins – Education; Senior Whip
11 Nanaia Mahuta – Youth Affairs; Māori Development; Assoc Education (Māori)
12 David Clark – Economic Development; Small Business
13 Sue Moroney – ACC; Early Childhood Education; Women’s Affairs
14 Su’a William Sio – Local Government; Pacific Island Affairs; Inter Faith Dialogue; Assoc Foreign Affairs
15 Phil Goff – Foreign Affairs & Trade; State Services; Defence
16 Darien Fenton – Junior Whip; Labour (incl Health and Safety); Immigration; Assoc Arts, Culture and Heritage
17 Damien O’Connor – Primary Industries; Food Safety
18 Clare Curran – Communications and IT; Broadcasting; Open Government; Assoc Economic Development
19 Andrew Little – Justice; Tourism
20 Megan Woods – Tertiary Education; Assoc Science and Innovation; Assoc Transport (Christchurch)
Remainder of Caucus listed by length of time in the House
Trevor Mallard – Shadow Leader of the House; Internal Affairs (incl Ministerial Services); Sport & Recreation; Assoc Finance
Lianne Dalziel – Canterbury Earthquake Recovery; Civil Defence & Emergency Management; Earthquake Commission; Associate Justice
Ruth Dyson – Conservation; Senior Citizens; Disability Issues; Land Information
David Cunliffe – Revenue; Fisheries; Assoc Finance
Parekura Horomia – Māori Affairs; Treaty Negotiations
Moana Mackey – Climate Change; Energy & Resources
Iain Lees-Galloway – Transport; Veterans’ Affairs; Assoc Health (Alcohol and Drugs)
Raymond Huo – Building & Construction; Statistics; Associate Ethnic Affairs
Rajen Prasad – Ethnic Affairs; Social Inclusion; Assoc Social Development
Kris Faafoi – Police; Corrections; Assoc Health (Aged Care)
Carol Beaumont – Consumer Rights & Standards; Associate Employment, Skills and Training
Louisa Wall – Community & Voluntary Sector; Assoc Health (Inequalities); Assoc Sport and Recreation
Rino Tirikatene – Customs; Assoc Māori Affairs
Ross Robertson – Assistant Speaker; Racing; Assoc Disarmament (Small Arms)
Not too bad really. Cunliffe’s talents are under-utilised, though.
With Revenue & Assoc Finance he’ll be right back into the tight 4 of finance (with Parker, Clark on Econ Dev & Cosgrove on SOEs/Commerce), even without a position.
But interesting that he gets fisheries off Jones – a good sign that some of Jones’ defence of the Fishing Industry was going a bit far? Now if they could only stop him talking about the Greens as well…
I think you might be dreaming Bunji. More likely they (2 of them anyway) will undermine or misconstrue just about every contribution he tries to make.
Anne – I second your concerns!
Dumb dumb dumb – This is neither merit-based nor putting our best foot forward. Need our best and our brightest on the front bench. Leaving people like Cunliffe and Louisa Wall languishing on the back bench is only proof that people are scared of him – not that they are keen for the LP to win in 2014. Doesn’t do anything to unify the party either…
For fuck sake.
I just listen to the press conference, Shearer said re: Parker that he has “led the debate on the transformation of our economy” and that “there is no-one in the parliament with the depth of understanding of the challenges we are facing [other than Parker].”
What complete and utter bullshit.
Agree dancerwaitakere. Its a real insult to Cunliffe for him to be made underling to the likes of Parker.
It’s a shame, because he has shown real talent and conviction, but Cunliffe’s position is of his making.
He’ll be back. The party will bring him back into the fold.
“onsos” – excuse me, who is “the party” on your mind when saying this?
Absolutely agree with onsos. Having interviewed David Cunliffe, it’s apparent he’s an intelligent man and a talented politician, but he is where he is because of his actions. What is most important right now is solidarity. Despite good intentions and intelligent debate, the notion of solidarity is definitely something many contributors on this website fail to understand or perhaps care about.
Yeah thanks for absolving the ABCs of their bullshit manufactured drama and knifing during and after Conference last year, what a great analysis from you.
You may have conducted an interview, but you didn’t uncover much did you.
Did Cunliffe foolishly leave his back exposed during Conference last year? Yes he did. But that’s probably because he didn’t expect the blade to be slipped in between the ribs by his caucus “mates”. What a rat ship.
RE your comment CV – AGREED!
Good to see advancement for David Clark. He has made a mark in his first year. It’s a damn shame caucus is not mending fences and making use of Cunliffe’s talents.
It also seems to be a bit of a boys’ club, with only 35% of the top 20 being women. I think Louisa Wall should have had a nod for all her work on marriage equality.
You may be right as far as the percentages go.
I cannot believe however that if they were decided on merit any of Arden, Street, Mahuta or Fenton would be in the top twenty. Indeed if MPs were chosen on merit I don’t think that they would even be in the House.
40% (8) of top 20 are women, although only 3 in top 10.
You’re right. I miscounted.
Too eager to point out the injustice of it all eh Pete..
Perhaps a lesson in there somewhere!
National only 3 women in top 10 as well.
don’t forget kareoke
But the left are meant to aim to be better than National, right?
But National only have 6 women in top 20 (cabinet), so better representation at that level at least…
Given the concentration of talent in the labour caucus, it should really be something approaching the opposite way around.
David Clark’s mark – as far as I can tell – is that he’s a numbers man. All his Red Alert blogs are about numbers. Where is the “people” instinct in that ? And putting him into economic development when he’s barely been in Parliament two years – that’s a laugh …… farcical …. if it wasn’t so sad. We’ve got a good economic development spokesman, and he’s been downgraded. And THAT is very sad. Bye bye Labour.
David Shearer became the leader of the party after two and a half years in Parliament. Why let inexperience stand in your way?
This is really sad for Labour – cannot you see the mistake of putting David Shearer in the leadership role?
David Clark’s numbers posts were because he was Revenue spokesperson. He’s a Presbyterian minister – there’s a fair amount of “people” instinct in that…
I’m just happy to see an attempt at renewal.
Mallard and Dalziel have allowed themselves to be shuffled down in the interests of renewal – bravo to them.
I’m disappointed not to see Cunliffe back on the front bench (but I know that’s not how politics works in the “real world” – alas!)
And just personally, congratulations to my MP David Clark – watch that man!
All in all, not a bad job from Shearer.
I am absolutely astonished that Lianne Delziel has been thrown out of the top 20,she has
been a strong fighter for those in Christchurch and has been very good in parliament arguing
for the people of Christchurch.
I always felt that David Clark has promise,so, he deserves his spot.
The reshuffle is an opportunity missed to show the public,voters,members that there
is a democratic bone in the labour leadership and you don’t have to lick someones boots
to rise to the top.
It is incredulous that the Shearer leadership is continuing on a path of the divide and rule
style of politics, if ever there was a need for the labour leaderhsip to be inclusive and
concillatory was now, however what labourites have got is a fingerlicking hope that the
winds blow fair and the masses follow.
Well they won’t, rest assured.
Perhaps its the bad smell that hangs around her with the Peter Ellis case, among other things. Arguing for the people of ChCh, perhaps depends who you speak with, and about what!
While I can’t go into specifics, and I don’t directly deal with ministerial/MP enquiries, I can definitely say that from an internal EQC perspective I’m very happy that Lianne has gotten all of the disaster and EQ-recovery related responsibilities, she takes them incredibly seriously and her office works directly with us just as hard as she does in parliament for Christchurch, and she clearly deserves to be in Cabinet especially given the importance of her responsibilities.
While we’ve gotten good support from the current government in a lot of ways, I’d really like to see how things would function if she had responsibility for the recovery, and what CERA might be like.
Was it on National Radio or whatever, Christchurch is NOT well presented in the new line-up, and that is a REAL worry, given it is still the second largest city, and the major centre down south. Now is David Shearer Mt Albert and Auckland centric, perhaps?
So the top 10 is blindingly ABC, making Jacinda Ardern perhaps the most left wing out of the top 10.
Does anyone really think this is going to be a great progressive Government come 2014?
If they wanted some real renewal, lets see Moana instead of Maryan. Louisa instead of, well, anyone of the other 19 on the list above. In fact hasn’t Louisa been an MP now long enough to qualify her for leader. But no, a hard working MP sits in the ‘unranked’ backbenches.
Not too bad? I say it’s actually bloody shit.
It looks to me like all those who supported Cunliffe 15 months ago have been shunted down to/or remain at… the bottom of the heap. And you call that political nous? No, it’s idiocy and indicates that David Shearer is an integral part of the vendetta that continues to be waged against a handful of colleagues by a bunch of Labour Finks.
I was a strong suppporter of Shearer once. Now its gone.
I see Fink 2 is no 10. (Fink 1 is 21)
Yep Nothing to make me even think of reconsidering leaving Labour for the Greens and this vendetta against Cunliffe and his supporters has to stop. And there is also nothing to wake up the 800,000 that said fuck ’em last time maybe it will be 1.5 Million this time. Yep and Shonkey wins by default.
Prefacing her mild opposition to the most draconian of NAct’s welfare bashing with the honorific “Comrades” is all that I can see that makes Ardern even remotely left wing. “Comrades, we agree that there is a problem with benefit fraud but think the National approach is slightly harsh, even though we won’t promise to repeal this anti-worker law, comrades” is a satire of student politics, not a left-wing contribution.
Murray Olsen: WELFARE is NOT a PRIORITY for Labour according to the re-shuffle! Full stop, basta, realisation with a hammer hitting head, brain, promptu, claro now. I expected nothing else, and that exposes the two facedness of the present Labour Party.
If you are a beneficiary, left there in despair, you are out there, hung to dry, by Nats, and Labour will do fuck all for you and me!
Four of the top ten are bloody ex parliamentary staffers. When is the Labour Party going to look like one?
Our top Socialist performer Darien Fenton gets Labour issues. Robertson gets Employment. Clark gets Economic Devleopment. Take your pick who will electrify the economy to generate the 200,000 full time jobs it now needs.
Mind you can’t do a worse job than National.
might be an ohm or two of resistance, yet,
David Clark 🙂
Darien Fenton 🙂 (could be worse)
Big Dave as an Assoc.:) 🙂 🙂
Iain Lees Galloway 🙂
I like you ad but you are being so seriously optimistic.
“Socialist performer”? Why don’t you read Red Rattler’s contributions on The Standard and learn a bit moe about what “socialism” is, then apply That Standard to Fenton et al and see how much “Socialist performance” we actually have here.
FFS Ronald Reagan and Michael Cullen were fraking socialists under your scale.
Yep. It appears that factional loyalty means more than ability in the modern day Labour caucus?
And also, doesn’t Grant Robertson’s workload seem a bit too light?
A big talking “light weight” can only carry “light weight”!
Quite a few people would be happy if it were lighter. Much, much lighter…
This is NOT Renewal.
This is NOT prmoting on the basis of talent!
This is NOT putting a line under the Leadership doubts!
What message is in this line-up that moight connect to the 800,000 who did not even vote?
What message is in here that would inspre a young person to join Labour?
What in the shuffle puts us in a better position to win in 2014?
Are we going to continue to faill to land strong sharp punches when Key’s defence is down, ala Sky City, Education, Christchurch and GCSB?
Are we going to send a message to our activist that if they show impatience they will be igmored?
Are we coing to continue doing the same thing, hoping for a different outcome?
Shearer will have to do a lot better in his re-shuffle next February. A Lot Lot better.
Exactly. Another year wasted, as far as I can see.
Exactly – agree – this is a half way to nowhere reshuffle. It has promise but doesn’t deliver. Is not using the best talent in the House either. Cunliffe is underutilised in the House already as far as I can see- except that every time he does speak he trounces the hell out of his colleagues with the number of views on YouTube (if that’s anything to go by). Not even his mother could hit those kind of numbers going at it every day. Sheesh Shearer, wake up and smell the puppeteers! You are better that that, surely?!
Reading the new Central Leader edition and other news in Auckland, Cunliffe is resigned now to save trees in the Waitakere area that is part of his Titirangi and New Lynn electorate. I do not blame him. If you are rejected and rejected (I can tell some stories), you finally resign and escape into something little, that makes you feel better. What else can you choose. Next he will likely head off too, working for WTO, ILO, UN of whatever organisation, or the EU may find him inspiring to solve their probs. Hey, endless opportunities overseas, that is what 40 to 50 plus thousands of “patriotic” “Kiwis” realise each year, aye?!
In that top 10, Cosgrove, King, Hipkins and Twyford have the power the make decent hits on the government. But pound for pound, they need fresh blood at the 2014 election to really best the newly refreshed National bench.
Pretty surprised that Transport is taken off Twyford and given to Ian Lees-Galloway. Twyford has done a good job on it, and it’s totally interrelated with the Housing portfolio. If you get Transport right, you can tilt the whole Auckland electorate. If you win Auckland, you can (now) win the country. Does this signal they are readying Juie-Ann Genter for Transport- I think so. Odd move.
Really odd that Maori is outside the main portfolios, and can be “handled outside of the front bench”. With the decline fo the Maori party in the polls there is a great opportunity to reclaim mana with Maori right across the country; the whole privatisation of further national assets is going to require major engagement. Wrong move.
Same with Christchurch rebuild. It’s where the majority of non- social welfare expenditure is going to go in the next decade from Government: it needed better oversight that this. Wrong move.
I’m not convinced by Street at 9; I’m sure she’s a senior figure but her portfolios don’t warrant the position, and she has been utterly ineffective. Wrong move.
Can’t understand the gift of Economic Development to David Clark. I can’t see him staring down any boardroom in any part of the top end of town. Jones – much as he is greasy – can do that. I have heard him called lazy and incoherent in Parliament. Clearly he has supporters.
Mahuta did well to hang on at 11; with a new baby and not really firing all of 2012, can’t see her being ranked solely on merit. I guess still better bet than a retiring Horomia.
Cosgrove has the main dish for this year: whether can can really re-heat the anti-asset sale campaign at all. It’s completely out of the public mind now. And it’s yet to be seen whether he can land clean hits on anything. But he has good rhetorical sparkle, which does count on tv and radio.
Put a line under those to 10 names and ask: will this lift the polls into enabling us to believe in a change of government? Only the future of the country hangs on that.
To Ad – Mahuta is there because she’s Ratana – and anyhow when you demote your top Maori player, you have to have someone else up close (No 11) to cover that spot otherwise it looks like an insult to Maori.
Actually demoting Parekura IS an insult to Maori. Shearer doesn’t know what he’s doing .
And rOB how can it be “not bad ” for Cunliffe to be made junior to Parker ?
Nope – this is not a good line-up. Mr Shearer’s so-called mediation and negotiating powers are nowhere to be seen. He’s kept all the rightwingers on the front bench, he’s thrown a nod to Pacific Islanders and Women with Su’a and Sue, and he’s left many Labour activists without much to cling on to.
Interesting vote in Dom Post’s poll on Shearer’s reshuffle – good 30%, not so good 30% and bad 30% – with over 1100 votes. (Note these are approximate only – couldn’t be bothered going back to check for exact figures).
Any shift in any Maori placement is going to put Maori noses out of joint, every time. It’s the most nuanced territorial role in the country.
However here’s another metric: which of the front bench could initaite and write bold policy?
– King can, and has already with Housing
– Parker can, and with Cunliffe’s assistance was good with CGT
– Twyford can, particularly in Transport
– Robertson is certainly a good policy facilitator
Of course there are others, who have not been included.
But is this the core of the brains of the outfit?
Is that enough, or do we need a fresh brain injection in 2014 intake before storming the heights wth policy is possible?
Labour Housing and CGT were “bold” policies? I think that’s underselling what the concept of “bold” actually means.
My horizon keeps lowering under this version of Labour.
I find that best for the sanity, blood pressure, and cortizol levels.
Ah yes, a survival strategy, fair enough.
Labour, like Nats have done all the time, are “re-marginalising” Maori voters, that is clear.
They think they get away with it now, since the Maori Party lost it’s power and credit, and even Hone is struggling with family issues that grow over his head, and that start to stain his Mana Party. This is EVIL stuff. Add the open immigration policies that both Nats, ACT and Labour have promoted for years, and Maori will be on the tiny margin and fringe for good, lost and betrayed once and for all.
I am still mystified that tangata whenua give any of these f-ing big parties any credit and let them get away with all this BS.
Hone is far too sort, and Maori Party are losers and sell-out artists.
Maybe Tame Iti will come up with a new “movement”, aye???
The only shuffle I want to see from Shearer is “off”….Call this leadership? It’s pathetic.
Then perhaps you’d like to outline what leadership is and what it is that Labour needs to do to A with regard to policy in each area and B: win the next election.
Get a charismatic leader with brains.
And isn’t it sad that this is all that is required to win an election in this day and age.
Don’t worry about good policy just be charismatic (in fact you don’t even need the brains).
@ Polish Pride
I don’t know your occupation is, but it is definitely NOT sales.
Life has ALWAYS been about selling, whether it is a product, service, or policies.
The problem is voters are now just being sold a face. And too many bought it. But the face – the product – has caused a lot of damage,
No not in sales. I’m in the business of fixing shit thats broken. Something politicians clearly don’t know the first thing about.
What Arfamo said below is unfortunately exactly right
And if you think life is about selling, sadly you don’t know the first thing of what ‘life’ is about.
@ Polish Pride
I simplified. My life is NOT about selling. But too often people think because they have a great service or product or do a great job the public should reward them. Sales is about 1) understanding people’s problems; 2) solving those problems.
You can be a mystic or an artist or whatever and take great satisfaction in it, but don’t get angry that you are poor.
Likewise, a party can have what they imagine to be brilliant policies but they must understand what people’s problems are and explain how they will solve those problems.
Well so far “the face” party in government hasn’t solved any problems. Just created more.
Their supporters would disagree.
Their supporters would disagree because their supporters that are being looked after – not the general population. And who are you calling charismatic? John Key?? They guy is a JOKE. Most people I know who voted National voted for “change” rather than for JK – he really only appeals to white, mainstream, “sales” type people anyway. Selling stuff is for people who either A) love money or B) lack talent
A good product sells itself…
Hitler was,a charismatic leader and like it or not had brains . The worlds still recovering .
Shearer is a decent understanding leader who I have no doubt will turn out to be an excellent
Social Democratic Labour PM. Just keep watching the Standard.
However instead of finding fault just work to get those none voter out who were the reason we now have this dreadful gang of Right Wing ant worker Tories.
National’s number 5 minister is CERA. the labour spokesperson is an unranked backbencher. notagoodlook.com
Isn’t Lianne looking at the Christchurch mayoralty?
to JS – Lianne said recently she wasn’t interested in the Ch’ch mayoralty. Maybe this is a not-so-subtle tip to get her to change her mind. I hope she doesn’t.
Curran. Open Government. Snigger. How do Standard commenters and posters feel about that one?
Well I think she really embodies the heart, soul and values of open government and open debate. 😈
“I think she really embodies the heart, soul and values of open government and open debate.”
Did you mean
I think she really thinks she embodies the heart, soul and values of open government and open debate.
Yes especially that lol
I had a manager like her once – she was so narcissistic that she was convinced that the was “quirky” and “outrageous” and that everyone loved her for it (rumour had it that she idolised Ruby Wax and wanted to be like her). She cost the organisation hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements to people she abused.
That organisation, led by a former Labour cabinet minister, can’t fire her because they can’t afford the payout she’d demand.
That’s irony for you. >:(
Just a note lprent: THE EDIT FUNCTION IS NOT WORKING AT ALL.
Mainly I continue to chortle/cry at the label – a cliche so cliched the first episode of Yes Minister was named after it. Thirty-three years ago.
lol I had actually forgotten that…
I should probably mention that she’s still trying to get the National council to put rules in place for members who blog and censures for those who are deemed to have blogged inappropriately.
Aren’t right-wing, neo-fascist viewpoints in the Labour Party looked upon with horror or has that now changed?
Clearly it’s different when it’s Curran doing it, because, you know, she believes in Open Government! So it can’t be authoritarian bullshit!
Slow learners in that caucus 😈
Does she realise membership is voluntary?
Does she fecking realise that she owes a duty to her members to represent the best interests of the Labour Party and that they do not owe her an obligation of preserving her privilege.
Time for someone to put their hand up for Dunedin South.
A 4,200 majority to Curran. If a sitting Cabinet Minister decided to stand in that seat, that majority may start looking very very thin 😈
I’d settle for cliché. The way she does open government it’s bloody newspeak.
That said, she does the admirable job of not completely sucking in the IT portfolio. It’s so easy to do so incredibly badly that I think that actually does deserve praise, even though she doesn’t really *get* IT entirely.
“Mr Shearer said his decisions were based on choosing the best person for each job.”
Except Shearer is not the best person to be leader.
Major reshuffles like this must be run on the ability of capability and merit. The only relevant metric in choosing who goes where on the field is the winning strength of the team going into 2014.
The shame is, I don’t think that this is what has happened here.
Dude, you’re obviously a tory, so why do you care? Or are you just here to try and stir things up…?
Tories are allowed to care about how a Labour government would be run, too, just as long as they aren’t concern trolling. The same way we give a hoot about which National MPs are ministers and cabinet members- because we want competent people in important jobs, even if we don’t agree with them.
ACC taken from a heavyweight (albeit down towards the bottom of the ranking) who knew something about the portfolio and given to a lightweight who knows little and probably cares even less. Ardern’s promotion could be seen as realization that welfare matters to Labour’s base but, OTOH, was probably for packaging reasons. I think Clark and Parker will work well together (they have before) but a shame Cunliffe remains outside. King didn’t do Ryall any damage in health last time; little chance she will do so this time round, either. Labour needs to have someone understudying Goff in Foreign Affairs and Defence; he won’t be there forever, while the Nats have screwed up both portfolios (thanks to McCully and Maestro Coleman).
In case you missed it, Anette King answered your comment at (25)…
I find it incredibly hard to care about reshuffles generally, though I would just like to ask one pertinent question. Have any frontbenchers been matched with portfolios that reflect their careers before they entered parliament? If not, why not?
What if your career before Parliament was Parliament?
Will Labour be able to show the electorate that it has what it takes to be different and to deliver, and hence to turn out the 800,000 who did not vote in 2011.
18 months and counting down, to the next elections.
Viper the Nats are doing the job for Labour r.e the hundreds of thousands of non engaged non voters. With all the nasty welfare/ privacy/ youth/ education etc policies the slackers will come out to vote national out. Should be a good contest between Labour & Greens as to who gets the huge party votes on offer.
Yep could be a windfall for the Greens if they stick to their principles and keep to their guns.
Especially if they keep ignoring climate change. Yeah right
Only your vote appears at risk and you only get one
Hahaha, yes the key Labour Party voter, the Kiwi slacker who wants some stuff.
Fa’afoi gets Police and Corrections?
Nigga puhlease!…just cos he prolly got a few cuzzies on the inside don’t mean he knows shit about jack.
Crushers gotta be pissing herself laughing thinking how this chump is gonna try keep her honest.
Polly you have had too many crackers! Chris is a top guy in my books but I won’t be justifying that to you.
Little should have got ACC ( scheming Sue?… I nod my head in disbelief) & associate employment Robbie needs a hand with all the jobs he has.
Oh yes Kris how right you are QoT, no offense damn not so smart phone… Umm should look up and check tho lol
Top guy, schmop guy…
What qualifies him to be Labour’s police and corrections guy?
Congratulations to DS on making his first significant moves toward making labour an even smaller party in 2014.
The old guard is expectedly featured, loose cannons (jones) and non performers (Curran etc) not demoted and obvious matches not made (Twyford keeping transport to go with housing, Little getting employment or similar) and DC being thrown a bone attached to some minders.
The ‘peter principle’ in action as expected, the hollowen and advsiers like Hoots etc will be very pleased.
Aye. It is almost as if ABC are setting Shearer up by making him make the divisions in Caucus even more stark. Cunliffe supporters are almost all demoted and Shearer supporters or those whose support he bought off are promoted.
What is the bet that Robertson within the next 12 months stages a coup “in the interests of the party”. Shame he did not think about the interests of the party 15 months ago.
And don’t get me started on Shane Jones. I bet he touted himself to both sides to get himself the biggest advantage.
Relying on Jones to be an effective member of the team sums it up for me.
The man’s never been anything but a loud mouthed, rude, self serving lazy ineffective member of both gov’t and opposition. In a word untrustworthy.
Aye. The fecker is as much a socialist as I am a Monarchist. He is Labour’s version of Peter Dunne but without the social graces.
He has done nothing for the party. Yet he has so much power?
It is time for the members to take their party back from the careerists and timeservers and psychopaths.
Precisely the post of bullshit you can reliably expect from the ABCers ruling the Labour caucus.
Talentless, divisive, myopic.
A triumph of self-interest over duty – Roger Douglas would be proud.
For your information Michael I have never been up against Ryall . I left health in 2005. Two ministers followed me who were against Ryall as opposition spokesperson- Pete Hodgson and David Cunliffe.
I would say I wish you the best of luck Annette, but you don’t need it, you have a wealth of experience to draw on. It would be good to see some hits on Ryall, he’s got more teflon than DuPont. I am hoping that the people who don’t seem to match up to the portfolios ( I don’t need to elaborate, plenty of people already have) are in preparation for handing some portfolios to the greens. I have faith, I haven’t written off Labour in the least, but if you leave the greens in the lurch again, I will be getting on my soapbox.
Thanks Annette. I look forward to you engaging the health sector against the mendacious Ryall.
@ Annette, great to see you engaging with us, you apply yourself well in the house,strong
and articulate and i have often thought you would make a good leader.
I have no faith in Shearer, would you consider the leadership at all ?
It will be interesting to see you in action Annette, given your extensive experience in the portfolio, which I think dates back to opposition in the 1990s? But I am curious about how you choose to engage with commentators here. I seem to recall one of the previous times you came on there was a series of questions that you didn’t get back to.? From my experience watching stuff, I think one of the most important aspects of real engagement in this social media space is the art of following and replying. Of course we’re happy to know your reading but the next step would be cool too…
And teenaged boys.
I stand corrected, Annette. Go get him. May I suggest that a pledge by Labour to restore DHB cuts to Disability Support Services (in real terms, no faffing about with “details” that undermine the entire pledge – cf “income related” [sic] rents for HNZ tenants) and cancellation of contracts awarded to foreign loss-leaders, with no compensation, would be an excellent way for you to begin your new role.
Annette, I hope you will read the emails that a mate of mine sent to you and Ardern, re “Rising to the Challenge”, the NatACT agenda for mental health and addiction services for the coming 5 years!
NO extra money, NO extra care that can be measured, NO support of relevance, much of lies, lies and more lies by a Nat led government, so now come you, in your new portfolio, being the “old” one, and on which I congratulate you, and which I picked correctly as being given back to you.
That goes in line with the NatACT “welfare policies”, now before Parliament, about which your party has only offered “moderate” criticism, but hey, was it not the additional “health spend”, that was to make it all “work” and get sick and disabled into some form of work again???
I look forward for your delivery of attacks and more, to the “rile” bastard on the other side!
Your last chance this may be, to put your stamp on NZ politics to change for the better.
For your information Annette King I don’t think the Labour Party has an ounce of moral fibre left in its body. I started out my work career as a school dental nurse too, and I’ve followed your political career with much interest. I’ve been involved with the Labour Party in some form or another since the early 1970s and yes… I know where a few bodies are buried. Not yours I hasten to add – have to cover oneself these days with the paranoid mutterings coming from the third floor of Bowen House.
So, what do we have now?
A leader who thinks its smart politics to dump on anyone who didn’t vote for him in Dec 2011, and who continues to punish them. Pathetic. Now we know the real reason why Charles Chauval quit the nest. Perhaps Labour’s most fiercely intelligent legal mind too. And don’t anyone throw in the rejoinder he has denied it because he has no choice but to do so.
A fellow called Chris Hipkins who calls a colleague a Fink… and then proves to be the one who is the Fink. The parliamentary leadership arranges for him to spy on the counting of a caucus “secret ballot” so he could leak the results to them… who voted what way etc. Pathetic.
Another fellow called Trevor Mallard who has been leaking like a sieve to the media for how long? The past four years? Pathetic.
But wait… they get rewarded. Yes, we all know Mallard’s demotion is a Clayton’s demotion..
I could go on but I won’t… no wonder Labour is a divided mess, and the current parliamentary leadership team (official and unofficial) must take the vast bulk of the blame.
Tomorrow I send in my LP membership renewal form . . . shredded.
Go on then, you’ve been promising this for a while.
@ George D
Spoken with the defiance of one who blames everyone else for his unpopularity.
Always be mindful of the environment, recycle, re-use and have a safe wipe of your bottom if that saves water, other paper or whatever other resource that could be wasted instead. You are hero if you can do this AK, you are worthy, indeed.
I think Jane Clifton was having a ‘go’ at TS when on Jim Mora’s Panel. She made some veiled remarks about certain bloggers being paranoid?, or something about the present leadership driving the decisions, and said that Annette King was very popular. Some people just can’t get beyond treating politics as a sporting contest, where picking the next winner is merely a talking point.
Aha… now that is interesting!
Well she probably hears more of the anti ts perspective than the pro to be fair… might help if she read it?
I heard that too.
I thought it a bit unwise for her to comment about suggestions by a few “fear and loathing prone people who tend to write on a few blogs” that people like King, Mallard and Goff are “evil people in control of the Labour Party“. She apparently found the suggestions ridiculous.
Such a comment goes beyond political commentary and starts to look like personally defending particular politicians by going out of her way to ridicule their critics. The hesitant delivery suggests that she was aware that she was treading a fine line.
Podcast is here
The comment is about 19mins 40s into the tape for those interested.
I’m not sure Jane Clifton is in a very informed position to determine just how many people are represented on this blog – certinaly quite a few more than her “mate” in Parliament would probably like to admit?
Mora is a CRAP WEAK twit.
The interview remonds me how much the innner wellington crowd id seperated form teh rest of NZ.
List to it in full. BORING middle class salaried smug gits
“I think Jane Clifton was having a ‘go’ at TS when on Jim Mora’s Panel. She made some veiled remarks about certain bloggers being paranoid?”
Yes, I get paranoid every time I have to think about what the hell goes on in NZ. I am not alone though!
( Shaking head shaking head) We Labour are screwed, National could easily get a third term. Being a Labour member is like being a Liverpool support, aint won shit for a long time and isnt likely to win in the foreseeable future.
3 Tory terms is fairly common though, historically.
And Labour only need to get 31% or 32% on E-day to take the Treasury benches. (Although Winnie would have to co-operate…)
“Although Winnie would have to co-operate”
Break out your prayer beads…
David Shearer on Annette King: “She was voted 3rd most sexiest woman in Parliament” (speaking on Newstalk ZB).
And it’s a prepared line, coz he’s just repeated it on Radio Live with Duncan Garner.
Memo to David: ask Phil Goff about Liz Hurley. This really doesn’t work.
Nice bit of disrespect there for a senior politician. Hope Annette reads out the sexiest men list. Remind me again – how many women vote labour –
Fewer by the day
Yeah, they appear to have the US republican disease – lets just go for the white male vote
Please tell me he didn’t really say “most sexiest”. If he can’t even handle basic grammar what the hell is he any good at?
Also, even ignoring the sexist wank, it’s a piss-weak deflection from the fact that King is many things, but hardly a fresh new face to bring a fresh new approach to healthcare.
Fekk I hate agreeing with you, but it is such B Grade sexist wank. What sort of crass pillock would make such a pathetic statement? More to the point what sort of pathetic political party would allow this bunch of nonentities to parade as MPs? I am so bored with Labour.
Imagine what would happen if Graham Henry/Richie McCaw left one of their star players on the bench during a key game – we would think they were idiots. I cannot think of any clearer sign of fearful and weak leadership than what Shearer has just done re: Cunliffe.
If you want to win, field your strongest team – make the most of the talent you have.
I’ve been a LP member in the past, but there’s no way I’d consider getting involved again while Shearer’s at the helm.
Shearer was asked by Larry Williams if Cunliffe was going to roll him: Shearer replied “Bring it on”.
He made it clear he was joking but by then my head was already on the desk …
Sounds a bit like his recent comments that there is ‘absolutely’ room for homophobic views in the Labour Party. He has an unfortunate way of opening his mouth and thinking later – something that usually rules out a political career for most other people. The ABC crowd seem to be blind to this.
If Shearer insists on staying around, please at least someone get him some media training!
Too late for training talavera. The game is on. The ball is in play.
He fumbles, he drops, he scores another own goal.
He’s had media training!! He just doesn’t have the nouse to apply it intelligently. They obviously told him he needs to sound tougerh so now he responds to media prods like a chest-beating gorilla and it just doesn’t work.
*tougher. Gawd. When will the edit function be fixed.
Actually I think he’s had lots of media training and on an ongoing basis. Is goods to see that he has improved, though I guess you could argue it’s off a low base!
Aye I no longer cross my fingers hoping that he does not make a complete tosspot of himself and I am confident that he will be barely adequate.
But FFS is this what we are allowed to expect? What other miraculous qualities does he bring to the job that allows us to ignore his rather large inadequacies?
He can talk down an AK74 pointed to his face and save millions of people. Also something about being able to successfully negotiate with terrorists and rebels?
Should get on great in Tuhoe country then 🙂
Totally agree, talavera! The biggest idiot and worst leader that Labour have ever had is Shearer. The most arrogant EVER!! What kind of man would stand for the leadership, lose 9 out of 10 debates and STILL put himself forward?? They’ve given Cunliffe some portfolios to use his great intelligence and innovative thinking, yet have made sure he’s in the background so he can’t get any publicity or credit!! The ABC crowd are very used to the big fat salaries (some have been there since the 1980’s) and don’t want a leader who will shake things up – it’s all about keeping big salaries, and safeguarding personal advancement, much more important than the Labour Party membership and the general public who are suffering!!
Maybe some people wanted a ineffective Labour leader…or at least one who would not break the neo-liberal grip on this country if she/he won. Tony Blair was supported by business in the UK because he was never going to undo the Thatcherite revolution. The Labour right are too compromised by the events of the 1980s…after all, it was a cabal of them that ushered in NZ’s own revolution which turned it from an egalitarian society to the free market dog it remains today.
I think you hit the nail on the head there.
Yeah right !
I think the argument that the old guard are only there for the salaries isn’t the reason they stay. Politicians of their experience and stature would most likely get far higher paying jobs if they left. I think they just really believe in the direction the party is going which we may not all agree with but you can’t fault them for doing what they believe is best for the country.
But they are proved wrong repeatedly. They do not have any principles and they cannot gain ascendancy in the opinion polls.
They are double losers. They should feck off and let the next generation take over.
Please name 4 organisations which you believe would offer (or have offered) ex Labour Government ministers jobs paying $250K pa or more.
No talavera: ever heard on 10 man rugby? You play a bunch of forwards who have no subtelty, just bash and crash, plus a first five and half back whose instruction is to kick the ball. The other 5 backs are mere spectators, their job is to not offer anything that looks like flair or is risky. Labours list are entirely capable of the stodgy game plan, it requires little IQ, attempts nothing.
The end result is the opposition lose because they try something and get shut down by the negativity, Labours 10 men win by one point, the crowd is bored and go home unhappy. They lose their fan base and produce far less than meets the eyes. Sad really.
So if merit had been the sole criteria, which of the new Top Ten would be there?
– Shearer? Wouldn’t make the top 20.
– Robertson? Practically silent outside the beltway.
– Parker? Hasn’t landed so much as a jab on Joyce.
– Ardern. Has sustained good profile, without major damage onto Bennett.
– Cosgrove? Hasn’t focused the anti- asset sale petition project, and should have made far stronger SOE hits. Maybe top 20.
– King. Labour’s only standout policy in 5 years.
– Jones? Should have had a slow public rehabilitation, nor pre-emptied public release of A-G report. Also wouldn’t make the top 20.
– Twyford. Strong performer. One to unquestionably deserves the place, on merit.
– Street? So risibly weak that should no longer be in Parliament.
– Hipkins Great hits, but so’s a Piniata. Maybe top 10 as a growth prospect.
Instead we get yet another slow revenge play, like Hannibal salting the fields before the Romans arrive.
The best chance of beating National as a Labour team is to have your best performers ranked in the highest place. Not this.
Anyone game to rank what a purely merit-based shadow Cabinet top 10 would look like?
Ok so here is the counterfactual, run as if (my version of) merit was the sole criteria. My version being that this would be the best bunch and best grouping from what we have in Labour now for changing the government. With attractive policy groupings.
1. King. Leader, SIS.
2. Cunliffe. Finance, Economic Development, Savings and Public Capital, SOE’s.
3. Ardern Poverty Alleviation (replacing Social Welfare), Children
4. Parker. Science and Innovation, Commerce, Attorney General, Justice
5. Dalziell. Health, Senior Citizens, Superannuation
6. Twyford. Housing, Transport, Auckland, Regional Development, Canterbury Rebuild
7. Robertson. Environment, Conservation, Climate Change, Primary Industries, Food Safety
8. Mahuta. Treaty settlements, Maori, Constitutional Reform, Internal Affairs
9. Goff. Trade, Defence, Disarmament, State Services, Immigration
10. Hipkins. Education, Tertiary Education, Maori Education
Finance is too big to have anything else substantial in there apart from maybe Savings and Public Capital which may be complementary.
I reckon GFC part two is going to start up in earnest sometime during 2014 or 2015…who ya gonna call???
Cullen did it, it’s possible.
Re Ardern: What the hell is she doing?
On Tuesday (yesterday, 26.02.) the Nats used staged questions to ask Bennett on the “success” of “reforms” in welfare, so she “sold” her “Future Focus” crap, as if it was the best selling item in town.
Ardern, like on hundreds of other cases, sat there, never bothered to raise any “supplementary question”.
She recently “profiled” herself in Auckland’s Central Leader paper, showing off with people from BAMA, a beneficiary advocacy service in Mt Albert. So what the f*** has Ardern done to help beneficiaries, or to raise their concerns, I ask? NADA!
She should not have kept the social welfare portfolio, but then also, who else in Labour’s caucus would bother?
re: Robertson, curiously mute on Nick Smith’s decision to “call in” the proposed toll road to Fiordland, and also the monorail. Politicising what should be a full and independent hearing with full media and public scrutiny is simply wrong. Robertson should have shouted that out hard. There’s a surprising number of blue-greens in English’s electorate who would have welcomed the political support about their opposition to these projects.
When Nick Smith assents the monorail (as we know he will), will Twyford or anyone else break out with a rendition of the Simpsons’ “Monorail Song”, just as Brownlee did to Twyford about Auckland’s City Rail Link?
No game changer.
Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government 😆
You can see very clearly that ‘the wankers’ are taking the most serious issues seriously …………….
Moana Mackey – Climate Change; Energy & Resources
Not knocking Moana, (I’m sure she is as inept as any of them) But the 2 main ‘issues’ we face don’t even get in the top 20, let alone #1
Economic growth and surplus now expected to return 2015/2016
Here’s a new theme in answer to the ABC’s
‘ABS ‘ Anyone But Shearer’.
There is ABS brakes,(i think), well they need to be applied and soon.
a mediocre start that demonstrates some awareness of the life-long Labour voter’s pissed-offness. There’s till time before the next election to demonstrate that egos aren’t trumping representation.
Not YET enough for a change though in my (and probably about 30 others in family & friends) to give a party vote to a left alternative (OTHER than Labour) even though they may reluctantly support a Labour electorate candidate (Robertson).
The least worst option is no longer Labour especially when there are options where alternative political parties have shown a repeated commitment to principle, unlike Labour who demonstrate a paranoia towards highly intelligent, logical and rational candidates with ideas and a commitment that isn’t based on a sense of entitlement resulting from longevity as politicians.
There’s time, but brinksmanship with the voter is not a good idea. For us – it’s no longer about opting out – but opting back in! as there is with many others.
Best outcome – bovver boy at the back, but its a crying shame there’s not an over-ambitious, insipid little prick placed as doorman standing just behind the back bench.
Sorry but there it is. It’s the reserves and the golden oldies.
It’s like if the Nats put Collins and Ryall on the back bench and gave the top jobs to Aaron Gilmore and Tau.
Feck, tell Steve Joyce someone’s leaked the plan !
There are so many issues that stand out from this reshuffle but I’ve selected just three to highlight:
1. Maryan loses Health because she didn’t scored hits against Ryall. Lets look back a few years. Straight after the 2008 election, Ruth Dyson is the Health Spokesperson. She loses the portfolio because she wasn’t deemed effective in the role (Ruth demoted). The porfolio is given to Grant Robertson. He doesn’t score any hits either but he continues on a trajectory of being promoted and now Maryan is demoted for under performing (how convenient that underperformance is ignored in some instances)
2. Chris Hipkins is promoted in to the education spokesperson role because according to his caucus mates (the same ones who would have been put the resources behind him to get the publicity that he did get) he performed well while Mahuta was on maternity leave. In the ‘real’ world, if someone was seconded in to a role because a woman went on maternity leave, you couldn’t just dispense of her because you felt that her replacement had done a better job. But hey – who are we to hold the Labour Party to good employment law. It’s important to keep in mind here that the leadership never truly backed Mahuta as the education spokesperson – in fact I think it is fair to say that she was pretty much set up to fail (well done labour).
3. Louisa Wall gets her marriage equality members bill up and does a stellar job of fronting the issue (the greens could have so easily run this issue) and yet, she doesn’t feature in the list of MPs promoted….?
It’s this kind of thing that leaves a Labour voter shaking their head in dismay. You just want the party to GENUINELY get their shit together. One of Labours fundamental principles is ‘fairness’ but that doesn’t seem to factor in to labour caucus practice.
The only way Shearer is going to get any traction before the next election is probably for this crew to all now get their noses to the grindstone, get their media performances polished, and for him to let them front on all portfolio-related issues. He is a media disaster. If Labour are stuck with him, maybe he needs to rebrand himself completely as someone with a different style of political management, someone who will put together policy and manage that process, and then just direct and back his shadow cabinet. He should stop trying to match Key by mimicking his style and being the principal spokesperson. He can’t sell himself as an anti-Key. It doesn’t work. He’s not a “quick on his feet” thinker and that’s painfully obvious. The less he says, the wiser he sounds.
At the very least you’d think self interest would click in.
DC on the front bench would have dragged in a few more votes and brought a prime ministerial salary closer.
Some how Shearer doesn’t have the perspective. This country has been in some sort of recession (high unemployment) for the bulk of the last 30 years, right wing induced, and he goes ” wages haven’t moved much since 2009.” Actually they haven’t moved much since 1989.
I agree. My fear is Labour under Shearer is going to turn out to be really only National-lite, fiddling at the margins, essentially maintaining the new right economic approach of the last 30 years. I’m looking for the party that has a better plan than simply a continuation these divisive and economically corrosive policies.
I recently went to a Labour party branch meeting, what a joke. I have concluded that Labour is in a mess. There is no way that this party could run an affective government when it cant even run its own party. I come back feeling disillusioned with Labour, so will join the Green Party.
But realistically we are not going to have a strong left government in New Zealand without a strong Labour Party, certainly in the short term anyway. That is why the polls are not budging, even though National cant put a foot right. Danyl McLaughlan has hit it on the head “I’ve seen people on Twitter wondering how anyone could still support National, but if you think about the Shearer-led Labour/Greens/New Zealand First alternative, it’s hard to imagine that being anything other than a short-lived disaster. Centrist support for National seems very sensible from that perspective.”.
If this Labour party do fail in 2014 then there needs to be a massive clean out and re build, personally I believe that is probably the best path for New Zealand long term.
A shadow cabinet based on four things – merit, rejuvenation, public appeal and ability to perform with the portfolio:
1. David Cunliffe (Economic Development and Revenue)
– Whether the caucus likes it or not, DC is the best one to lead labour at this time. He’s smart and can speak competently to a range of issues. He’s also got much more public appeal than DS. The public need to believe that the the leader of the labour party can be the leader of the country.
2. Andrew Little (Deputy leader – Employment Skills Training, Labour)
– This is his area of expertise and it is what could win Labour the next election
3. David Parker (Finance)
– Only because if DC is in the leadership role there DP is the only other person really equipped to take on this portfolio
4. Jacinda Ardern (Health, Arts Culture and Heritage)
– Unfortunately she’s not ‘street’ enough to take on Paula. No one else has made a dent in Ryall but she works hard and will try to get him from every angle – it’s definitely worth a try. Auckland Central = Arts and JA hangs in those circles so makes sense that she also holds this.
5. Grant Robertson (Environment and SOE’s)
– He’s got more connections in the public sector than any other labour MP and has his hand on the pulse when it comes to SOE’s. The environment is something that could be a strength of his.
6. Louisa Wall (Social Development, Children)
– She’s tough and is like a dog with a bone when it comes to these types of issues. She could take it to Paula
7. Sue Moroney (Education and tertiary)
– Hardworking and knows the issues
8. Phil Twyford (Housing, Auckland Issues and Transport)
– Housing and transport are two major auckland issues. He’s competent and can cover these three things well.
9. Lianne Dalziel (Justice, Attorney General, Earthquake recovery)
– She has been under utilised. One of the most competent labour MPs. Should be acknowledged for being so.
10.Nanaia Mahuta (Maori Development, Youth, Associate Education)
– She seems to have resigned herself from having lost education but shouldn’t be under estimated. Give her these jobs for now but when labour wins the next election, she could take on any of the other big portfolios
Note – when you look at the above line up you see a good mix of the two different camps. Its a unifying arrangement but one that works and doesn’t compromise Labour being able to put it’s best foot forward in the major portfolio areas. This is the stuff that could win Labour the 2014 election.
Spot on….nearly but not inspired..
“Grant Robertson (Environment and SOE’s)
– He’s got more connections in the public sector than any other labour MP and has his hand on the pulse when it comes to SOE’s. The environment is something that could be a strength of his.”
The lad only knows planet government. He has not had a breath of air outside on the beltway.
It is largely dream stuff agenda but then again:
“6. Louisa Wall (Social Development, Children)
– She’s tough and is like a dog with a bone when it comes to these types of issues. She could take it to Paula”
Now that could be addressing issues I face daily, but Ardern is to me like a useless opportunist with a lifestyle she chose to “live” politics, to “further” her later “career”, and while she only shows the odd bit of appearance (Central Leader on “BAMA”, Auckland, 20.02.13), she does FUCK ALL for the ordinary beneficiary, of whom I happen to presently be one of.
Thank you Jacinda, you need to bloody learn and get the smell of sweat, stench and despair into your nostrils, before you even think of representing us!
I see and hear NOTHING that you have done for us since you have been social security spokesperson. How the f-ing hell does anybody in a party like yours get such a “job”, if I may ask? Is this a put your name in the pot and we will draw the winner kind of game?
Never to vote Labour ever again, for sure, thanks!
Clare Curran has not delivered in her Telco role: she failed to analyse and challenge the Telecom Chorus split.
Clare Curran has not delivered to the Labour organisation: she failed to deliver a basic blog site; coals to Eskimos.
Clare Curran has not delivered to the people of Dunedin. see her poor performance here
(that puts her in the same league as King, Robertson, Hipkins and Mallard- a de-facto wellinton clique member)
clare curran HAS delivered loyalty to Shearer.
she is a winner….
A pretty comprehensive list of portfolios and responsibilities.
But no shadow cabinet MP is named as responsible for Climate Change Issues.
Even the National Party makes a front row MP responsible for Climate Change.
At number 14 Hon. Tim Groser, Minister of Trade, Minister for Climate Change Issues.
This exposes the Labour Party as a CCI party.
The Labour Party under David Shearer leadership, is actively ignoring climate change. And hoping for a deal, the Greens are falling into line.
That the Labour Party can get away with this, is only because of the connivance and agreement of the parliamentary Green Party leadership.
The only front bench Labour MP who actively spoke out against climate change has been demoted and silenced.
It all points to a terrible and corrupt Obama/Romney type three way electoral stitch up in 2014. Where it is agreed by all three major parties not to challenge, or defy the powerful fossil fuel lobby.
Jenny – It is ignoring that and welfare, for sure. But they may be intent on handing the difficult portfolios to the likely Green Party coalition or support members. They will likely give them the difficult ones, so to ruin them, same as National is rubbishing the Maori Party, as Labour earlier rubbished the Alliance, as others did all the same before.
The agenda is clear, set the agenda, challenge, hand difficult jobs to the weak and small, yet needed parties, and in the end, they will try to look better, and hope for more votes. Simple, really.
In this list Climate Change is not a portfolio anymore.
The Labour Party in deliberately downgrading of Climate Change so that it is no longer a portfolio.
Ensures that whoever is awarded it, will be powerless to do anything.
How ugly, how corrupt, how tragic.
Conservation, *who*? I am totally unable to find a single connection between Ruth Dyson and conservation. Instead I found a drink driving thing. Is that all that Labour has? Really? Even Kate Wilkinson was more of a conservationist.
Nick Smith a very strong Conservation Minister. Unfortunately I do not believe that Dyson will be able to touch him.
Yeps he’s strong in a way that nobody needs… except the ‘business’ ‘community’ who celebrates him as the ‘new mining czar’, i.e. ork: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nick-smith-new-mining-czar-ck-126120
And he probably has all sorts of tricks up his sleeves, so Ruth Dyson is presumably no match for him.
This is certainly not a way to get conservationists’ votes.
And you think putting Dyson in that portfolio is a serious alternative for winning Green votes?
I’ll put it another way. National aren’t interested in winning votes of Labour. They’re looking at winning the Blue-Greens back off the Greens.
Benjamin B.: Get honest, the most “conserving” substance that exists is ALCOHOL, right!
This “reshuffle” is going make all those non voters turn out and vote for the LP at the next general election?
I do not think so.
All those non voters are looking for is a a party that cares about what matters to them, not Wall Street morally bankrupt wheeling dealing Gordon Gecko economic ideology.
Caucus cabals need very deep war chests to manipulate their membership.
The LP is bankrupt. The membership is revolting (what is new?) but are a shadow of what once was.
Shearer has the singular misfortune of being the right person in the right place at the right time to oversee the LP demise.
Until the LP caucus realises that there is actually an electorate out there, and it matters, the NZLP is doomed to failure.
Let me repeat this again:
It is time for a NEW Left Party to form and take off, the time could and should never be better. Those that honestly have ideas, answers and care for the average NZ workers and non workers, they deserve much better than this shit presented by a lying Labour Party that does not even represent workers and disenfranchised. It is trying to become a middle of the road win all votes party, to compete with a National Party under Key that did the same in 2008.
Shearer and Labour leaders need their bloody heads read to present this hopeless line up and crap to the public.
I say again, to all those that do NOT bloody GET IT.
Labour is finished, lost and gone, and think out, create, found and start a truly left of centre, social democratic, or socialist, democratically minded, resolute, dedicated, firm and bloody HONEST LEFT PARTY, thanks.
I hate repeating myself, I mean bloody well.
Overall it seems to me a compromise all around, which is really what I would have expected. It has some moves that may well be a signal for either an improved performance or further reduced responsibilities. I can’t get very excited about order other than those seated in the front row whose smiling faces should strike fear into the current government; it includes a welcome return to responsibilities for Cunliffe, and effectively a challenge to him to shine in those areas. Too much is made of personality and not enough of policies and commitments. Lets hope we see some commitments to reverse some of the more stupid / egregious of Nationals errors, while also outlining each time the principles behind such decisions. I am pleased that maternity leave is being treated seriously; I hope that Nanaia Mahuta returns in due course with added perspectives and benefits from the ability to take a slightly different perspective for a while.
There may well be further changes closer tot he election, but the priority in the next period will be bedding down, with the help of membership, the detail behind the principles the party holds, and the priorities for what looks like yet another disaster economy to be inherited by a Labour government.
great matrix of beltway thinking
Dude you are choking me up.
[Ben Clark: see ban]
Fuck “bedding down”, that is all caucus-apologists have been saying for the last 18 months. It has been an abject failure.
Meanwhile Trevor Mallard is making a song and dance on his facebook page (in case anyone cared) and is at pains to highlight that his demotion was all about his plans to be Speaker after the next election… *shudder*… while his annointed successor continues in the patsy job of shooting holes in Parata and presumably preparing for another round of flipping out at DC on television after DS loses 2014.
Drunk on his new “partner” and re-invigorated sex life, on past “fame”, arrogance, ignorance, stupidity or whatever, that is where you assign certain persons to the gutter, the toilet, the street theatre, the asylum or whatever. They surely have no more place in charge.
No more of we ask, we say, we need, weseek, we may, we think and all that, WE WANT and WE NEED that must be the bloody message, dear David, dig it, hear it, earn it and deliver it, thank you!
Labour says, stands for, and Labour IS, demands, bla bla and bla, I want to hear that, no drivel, mediocre chat talk and the likes.
Maybe, maybe, maybe one day, one night and all the rest, stand your ground thank you.
Magnificent. Shearer has shown great courage. Lianne Dalziel has been too flaky and her support of Edward Malarky and Selmans fanatical anti alcohol and anti joy campaign was a bit too far. People are meant to have a life of pleasure and joy not to slave for Bridges $550 min wage. As a middle class wastrel, its half of what I can barely survive on twice that.
David Parker and the support finance team of Cunliffe, Cosgrove and Shane Jones is immensely strong. I’m a fan of Cunliffe and Jones and believe there centrists who will try and take NZ forward with none of the extremity of Prebble and the former member for St Albans and deputy leader
“take NZ forward” to where???
Why was Dalziel singled out as flaky and not…a dozen and a half other Labour MPs who weren’t Cunliffe supporters but far more flaky?
Yeah the AK74 thing very boring and irrelevant
I just saw David Cunliffe speaking in Parliament!! Talking eloquently on child-support with no notes. A very engaging and clever man – It just confirms why he should be Labour’s leader every time he speaks. David Shearer – Look in the mirror and realise you are NOT and will NEVER BE a viable leader for the Labour Party!! And make the caucus look in the same mirror!!
Hah, yes, to me David Shearer looks like an unwashed, smelly, wet towel, and I met a fair few faces like him, generally all unappealing.
And Labour put his face on their front website 10-fold. It is like selling smelly socks to the sensitive, choosy buyers. Horrific, really, so what the hell is making those in majority in caucus tick, one wonders. It cannot be common sense and intelligence.
Ghastly all this, I am sorry, I have given up some time ago anyway. There are and will be other options.
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