Latest primaries – Rubio gone

Written By: - Date published: 1:44 pm, March 16th, 2016 - 95 comments
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Results are coming in from Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio in the US primaries.

Early days in some states but at the moment it looks like a clean sweep for Clinton, and possibly for Trump (Kasich is ahead in his home state Ohio, but only 4% reporting at time of writing). Update: Ohio has been called for Kasich. Rubio lost his home Florida.

See The Guardian: Rubio ends campaign as Trump and Clinton win Florida – primary day live

95 comments on “Latest primaries – Rubio gone”

  1. aerobubble 1

    See what happens when Trump, a democrat, runs for the Republician nomination for President. lol

    • aerobubble 1.1

      Come on already. Trump is media saturated golden child, the liberal drinking coolaid media democrat lovers are all behind him.

    • Mike C 1.2

      @AeroBubble

      Yes … Trump is a “Money-Making Capitalist Racist Sexist Pig who Loves Guns and War”.

      He has one foot in the Democratic Party and the other in the Republican Party.

      Trump has got a truckload of street cunning coming out of his mouth and his arse. LOL.

      • Colonial Viper 1.2.1

        Trump doesn’t love war, drones and regime change anywhere like what Clinton does.

        • swordfish 1.2.1.1

          Yep, she’s dangerous. Very much immersed in the highly sanitised abstractions of the Washington Consensus, she was the leading proponent in the Obama Administration of the hawkish doctrine of “liberal interventionism” and “humanitarian war” promoted by Susan Rice and, in particular, the influential Samantha Power. These three pushed hard for the Libyan debacle and then extended the same rationale to Syria.

          When it comes to opportunities to demonstrate toughness, nothing quite sets Clinton’s pulse racing like a good “humanitarian intervention”. US Presidential candidates, of course, have long felt the need to at least pay a certain amount of homage to the “exceptionalist” creed, but Clinton’s attachment to the faith borders on the obsessive. The idea of “America’s unique responsibility for global leadership” has always , of course, simply been a euphemism for military intervention, where the US supposedly has a unique role in leading the world towards a democratic future of an implicitly capitalist and neo-liberal nature. Held with as much religious fervour and as little regard for contrary evidence as the kind of dogmatic faiths that these Liberal Democratic Hawks usually like to deride.

          Essentially, the pursuit of what she calls in her memoir “violent extremism” provides an open-ended excuse for on-going military intervention, no matter how hare-brained.

          Despite all the soaring rhetoric, it’s little more than GW Bush/Cheney-style interventionist US foreign policy, the usual Imperial adventures, serving to legitimate all the familiar aims of furthering the interests of US big business. In contrast to the somewhat greater restraint of the pragmatic Realist tradition, not to mention the more Isolationist tradition.

          Exceptionalists like Clinton seem congenitally unable to conceive of a multi-polar world where some nations might just prefer to go their own way. They don’t acknowledge the legitimacy of other nations’ interests.

          And she certainly has all the chaos and blood of the now failed state of Libya on her hands – Libya now routinely referred to as “Hillary’s War”. Sec of Defense Gates, VP Biden and Nato commander Wesley Clark were all opposed / Clinton, Power and Rice all emphatically urging action. Cheney would have been proud.

          Like good Cold War warriors, US exceptionalists, of course, reject the very concept of spheres of influence. So Clinton, for example, characterises Nato’s eastward expansion as a bulwark against “Putin’s aggression” (she’s compared him to Hitler). Rather than the provocation (and betrayal of an earlier American President’s pledge to Gorbachev) that it clearly was.

          She also describes herself as “staunchly pro-Israel”, which as well as entailing strong support for Israel’s regular massacres also apparently means being anti-Iran. As Obama was signalling his intention to accept a diplomatic solution with Iran, Clinton continued to fuel fears about Iran vis-à-vis Israel, warning the Iranians that the US could “totally obliterate them”, and argued for “crippling sanctions” against them. It’s been argued that, to placate pro-Israel voters, Clinton would have liked the sanctions to be even tougher. The key aim, according to one of her aides, was to punish Iran, somewhat undercutting all the humane rhetoric underpinning liberal interventionist claims.

          She’s been an aggressive critic of Obama’s allegedly “timid” reluctance to arm “moderate” rebels in Syria, to the extent that she’s been attracting admiring glances from various leading Neo-Conservative ideologues (Victoria Nuland, married to leading Neo-Con and co-founder of the Project for the New American Century, Robert Kagan, moved from Cheney’s staff to Clinton’s after the latter became Sec of State). And like every good Neo-Con, Clinton’s given to soaring abstractions about the inevitable spread of democracy, with an emphasis that military force is necessary for “the global good”. Obama finally yielded to interventionist demands from Clinton/Rice/Power amid the hysteria over ISIS, leading to the remarkably incoherent / counter-productive Syrian policy the US pursues today.

          At the same time, Clinton also made Afghanistan a much harder, longer, more tortuous trial for all concerned, siding with the generals against Obama’s better instincts.

          As one astute reviewer of Clinton’s 600 page quintessential candidate’s memoir (Hard Choices) put it: “Recent history becomes a series of rescue missions, staged opportunities for heroism worthy of Hollywood, mobs of brown-skinned extras look up to see helicopters – we are saved ! The Americans have arrived ! Such are the dreams that hover unarticulated in our political unconscious, allowing our leaders to redefine war as humanitarian intervention.”

          • Colonial Viper 1.2.1.1.1

            Hi swordfish, could I edit your comment for clarity and put it up as a standalone post?

            • swordfish 1.2.1.1.1.1

              Yep, no probs, CV. Cheers.

              I can see why you want to edit for clarity – reading it back, I noticed some irritating repetition (and some slightly pompous rhetoric here and there).

          • Chooky 1.2.1.1.2

            +100…in other words Hillary Clinton is a BIG menace

      • Chooky 1.2.2

        What we have been wondering is … is Trump actually a REPTILE?

        …and what is under his GINGER toupee?

  2. alwyn 2

    Trump, for crying out loud.
    How could US Republicans be so stupid.
    The man is a nut.
    I was personally in favour of Kasich (not Kaisch by the way) but anyone beating Trump looks impossible.
    It makes a preference very easy doesn’t it? to paraphrase the old slogan of the 1968.
    “Dump the Trump”

    • r0b 2.1

      Yeah thanks, fixed typo.

    • joe90 2.2

      How could US Republicans be so stupid

      .

      Gosh, that’s a hard one, alwyn, but perhaps the rump of the old south and those Reagan Democrats finally twigged.
      /

      This was always coming. The contempt dripping from Williamson’s writing, and from that pathetic appeal from alleged conservative “leaders” never was far from the minds of the Republican elites. They so easily distracted the “Reagan Democrats” with shiny-object social issues while shoving most of the nation’s wealth upwards that they almost can be forgiven for thinking that the tactic would work forever. I mean, it worked for George W. Bush, for god’s sake.

      http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a43042/republican-elites-turn-on-trump-supporters/

      This is absurd if you think of economic policy in pragmatic terms. But it is perfectly sensible if you think of economic policy as a moral framework built around the protection of natural economic rights. “They failed themselves,” Williamson sneers about poor whites. The marketplace hasn’t failed the white working class; the white working class has failed capitalism.

      http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/conservatives-to-white-working-class-drop-dead.html

    • Richard McGrath 2.3

      Interesting, of late the media have been determined not to mention the guy coming second in the GOP race, Ted Cruz. Perhaps they think by shutting him out of the MSM news the voters will forget about him…

  3. Andre 3

    Ohio and Florida are likely the two biggest swing states in November. They’ve gone pretty solidly for Clinton.

    • joe90 3.1

      AP Politics Verified account
      ‏@AP_Politics

      BREAKING: Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic primary in Ohio. @AP race call at 8:38 p.m. EST. #Election2016 #APracecall


      AP Politics Verified account
      ‏@AP_Politics

      BREAKING: Gov. John Kasich wins the Republican primary in Ohio. @AP race call at 8:54 p.m. EST. #Election2016 #APracecall

      edit: Florida – 84% returned, Clinton leads 138 to 52

      • Sacha 3.1.1

        Watch Repug party elites swing behind Kasich now.

        • alwyn 3.1.1.1

          One can only hope so.
          At least Kasich is capable of being President. as is Clinton.
          Trump as the candidate, with a chance of winning should scare the bejesus out of everyone. The man is mad.

          • mikesh 3.1.1.1.1

            Trump at the moment has an outside chance of becoming president; but without his “political incorrectness” he would have no chance whatsoever, so perhaps much of it is for electoral purposes only.

    • AmaKiwi 3.2

      Andre

      This was a primary open only to democrats. There is no assurance Clinton will carry Florida against Trump or any Republican.

      • Andre 3.2.1

        Sure. But in the states that are likeliest to matter in November, the Democrat voters appear to be solidly behind their likely eventual nominee.

        I’d be really worried if Sanders had won solidly in all the swing states, but Clinton got the nomination because of strong support in the other states. Because then there would be a big risk enough swing state Sanders supporters would just stay home in November, tipping it to the Republican.

  4. joe90 4

    Burn

    OhNoSheTwitnt ‏@OhNoSheTwitnt

    Breaking: Rubio aborts campaign

    OhNoSheTwitnt
    ‏@OhNoSheTwitnt

    Fitting that Marco Rubio aborted his campaign not because it was it was his choice but because some men decided for him.

  5. weka 5

    I’m glad Rubio said this this week before he stepped aside (I wouldn’t call it an emotional tirade so much as a man speaking the truth when he doesn’t normally).

    http://www.upworthy.com/marco-rubios-emotional-tirade-against-donald-trump-is-required-viewing-for-every-voter?c=ufb1

    If you don’t want to listen to the protestors, there’s a conservative saying it. You’ve been warned America, but I guess that’s the point, it doesn’t matter, because the Trumpites support violence so long as you are on the right side.

    • Mike C 5.1

      @Weka

      I love Donald Trump … and I am a Middle Right Voter.

      Thought that most of the folks around here would want Trump to become President of the United States … because he is against the TPPA?

      Oh that’s right … Hillary is also not backing it. LOL.

      So do Labour Party Voters support Clinton or Trump … because I am confused by the hypocrisy.

      • Andre 5.1.1

        You’ll get along just fine with Colonial Viper.

        • Mike C 5.1.1.1

          @Andre

          That’s fantastic !!!

          I don’t feel so alone in here anymore.

          Thanks for that.

          You have become my friend. (Smiley Face).

      • weka 5.1.2

        What did you think of what Rubio was saying in the video?

        • Mike C 5.1.2.1

          @Weka

          That it is a shame that the Republican Party Heirachy didn’t allow Rubio to speak his own mind previously … instead of all of the practiced media responses that Rubio has given to the Media prior to that.

          Rubio seemed almost normal in that video footage … and you have to wonder why he didn’t speak out like that much earlier?

          • weka 5.1.2.1.1

            I think it’s obvious why he didn’t, but I was asking you what you thought about what he was saying about Trump.

            • Mike C 5.1.2.1.1.1

              @Weka

              That what Rubio was saying about Trump could be true.

              Does that give you the answer you want and need?

              Because even though that video was about an hour long … and I only watched the start of it … that is the conclusion I came to in that short space of time.

              • weka

                The vid is 16 mins and no that doesn’t answer my question.

                • Mike C

                  @Weka

                  With all due respect … I gave you an answer that was my own personal view of what Rubio was saying about Trump.

                  Perhaps you could clarify your question further for me.

      • DoublePlusGood 5.1.3

        If you love Donald Trump you cannot in any reasonable way be considered “Middle Right”.

        • Mike C 5.1.3.1

          @DoublePlus

          I love “The Donald” and I have always been a Middle Right Voter … and … sometimes my personal Political views go to the Left.

          See if you can figure all of that out. LOL.

          • DoublePlusGood 5.1.3.1.1

            All it really tells me is that your views are not consistent with each other and thus warrant you thinking critically about them more.

            • Mike C 5.1.3.1.1.1

              @DoublePlus

              So because I am a Centre Right Voter … I am not allowed to sometimes agree with the Lefts Political Policies … or like Donald Trump?

              I didn’t know that there was a Rule Book stating this to be so. LOL.

        • alwyn 5.1.3.2

          Just remember the old (1964) parodies of Goldwater’s campaign slogan.
          They applies perfectly to Trump
          “In your heart you know he’s right, far right”
          or, and this really applies to Donald “In your guts, you know he’s nuts”

  6. Ad 6

    Off you go Sanders.
    You’re just not going to make it.

    • weka 6.1

      why do you care?

    • Olwyn 6.2

      I don’t think you get it Ad. Primarily, Bernie leads a movement. If he gets the nomination, and then goes on to become president, the movement will be beside itself with joy. If he doesn’t, the movement will still be there, and hopefully still building and exerting its influence. People need hope, and whenever I see these dismissive remarks of yours, I feel personally affronted. It comes across as if you think that those the establishment can’t be bothered with should just give up.

      • weka 6.2.1

        +1 Olwyn

        I don’t get it. I can understand someone supporting Clinton, but the antipathy towards Sanders from a leftie strikes a bum note.

        • North 6.2.1.1

          If you look at Ad closely Ad’s always been like that. Almost like he/she doesn’t want Lefties to fuck up his/her ‘consumateness’ in whatever Ad thinks he/she is so consummate at. Can’t be bothered looking back but I’m thinking that Ad was just the same about Corbyn. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

          Ad is Borat……ah ah ah sorry Borad.

        • North 6.2.1.2

          Ad’s a Leftie maybe but he/she is a wahanui first……a big mouth who thinks the extent of the world is the extent of his/her cogitations. He/she is a boring oppressive fuck in my book. With a superiority complex hard. To be straight up.

          • Ad 6.2.1.2.1

            Just relax a little.

            People who dish it on Clinton should take a little gentle ribbing.

  7. Chooky 7

    Interesting that the troops don’t have much faith in Hillary…and favour either Sanders or Trump

    ‘US troops divided between Trump and Sanders over military hotseat’

    https://www.rt.com/usa/335731-us-troops-divided-sanders-trump/

    “US troops are split between the ‘all guns blazing’ Republican Donald Trump and the anti-war Democrat Bernie Sanders on the issue of which presidential candidate should assume supreme control of the armed forces.
    While political commentators still debate whether foreign policy is seen as a major issue by regular US voters, the fact that somebody new in 2017 will have their finger on the button for war surely plays on the minds of the country’s military personnel.

    After all, it is these men and women – based in around 150 countries – that will be doing the hard yards on the battlefield…

  8. Wayne 8

    Well, its increasingly looking like Clinton versus Trump.

    I don’t see any prospect of Sanders eclipsing Clinton. He would need around 65% in all of the upcoming primaries to beat her. That is not going to happen. In fact the reverse is more likely. As it becomes clearer that Clinton has an insuperable lead, Sanders support will drain away. As someone who supported Hillary Clinton in 2008, it is good to see that her time has now finally come.

    I have in fact been surprised that Sanders has done as well as he has. He has always seemed to me an improbable, and in my view a potentially dangerous (by this, I don’t mean he is reckless) President. But he would be isolationist and in my view the world would be much worse with an isolationist America.

    In fact this is the same charge that I would also level against Trump. His nativist, protectionist stance would be dangerous for the world. The last time it was tried, in the early 1930s with the imposition of protectionist tariffs, it turned the 1929 Wall Street crash into a world wide depression.

    Nevertheless Trump is likely to be the Republican nominee. He will go into the convention with probably 45%+ delegates. The next closest, Cruz I guess, will have less than 35%. It would be pretty hard to deny Trump the nomination in those circumstances.

    So all power to Hillary in November this year.

    • Ad 8.1

      That’s the logic your felliw Republicans will have when they go through a super-mess convention, have a few ’68-style riots of their own, and figure it was Hillary all the way.

      Hillary will get it done.

    • Mike C 8.2

      @Wayne

      What’s the story about the possibility that Hillary Clinton might be charged with an offense in the mean time prior to the actual Presidential Election?

      There has not been anything much said at all about Clintons alleged misdemonours in the media.

      So if she goes to prison after she perhaps gets elected as the President of the United States … then what happens next?

      • Phil 8.2.1

        The VP becomes President.

        • Mike C 8.2.1.1

          @Phil

          Yeap … but who is the Vice-President of the USA likely to be at this point in time if Clinton becomes President?

          Clinton doesn’t want Sanders as her Deputy … so who is she likely to pick right now?

          • North 8.2.1.1.1

            I’m tripping now…….Bill ?

          • joe90 8.2.1.1.2

            Julian Castro, I reckon.

          • AmaKiwi 8.2.1.1.3

            “Clinton doesn’t want Sanders as her Deputy” Really?

            That’s a very tough call to make. She might want Sanders inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in. Like Cheney and Biden, Sanders is too old for a White House run in 8 years, so she doesn’t have to worry about Sanders stabbing her in the back. She’d like to have his young first time voters.

            There are many reasons she might not want Sanders. But don’t rule him out. They have been amicable towards each other in the debates.

            Not even his close advisers imagined JFK would want Johnson as V-P. But he offered him the spot because JFK needed Johnson’s southern votes to win the White House.

            • Ad 8.2.1.1.3.1

              If it was West Wing season 7 Clinton would go for a southerner as well.

              Or California. Pelosi?

              Or if she wants real policy attack, Warren.

            • Phil 8.2.1.1.3.2

              In a ‘normal’ election season, I’d say the running-mate pick doesn’t matter much at all. But the enthusiasm of Sanders’ support might be a significant factor to consider in his favour.

              On the other hand, the VP is responsible for heading up the Senate (and has deciding vote in the event of a tie?). The 2016 senators up for re-election are those that were last elected in the 2010 republican ‘wave’ election and there is a good chance the senate could be tied (the Dems would need to win back four seats, which is an entirely realistic prospect).

              If Clinton is president, she may want someone more compliant to the party line to head up the Seante.

              • Andre

                Sanders also keeps his Senate seat until 2018 if he doesn’t become P or VP nominee. He replaced a Republican in 2007. There’s no guarantee Vermont would elect a Democrat to replace him.

                • Phil

                  If a sitting senator becomes P or VP, there is no vote to replace that individual. Instead, the Governor of Vermont has authority to appoint a replacement senator. The sitting (D) Governor is not standing for re-election.

                  Vermont leans strongly Democrat, so it’s unlikely the Republicans will pick up this senate seat through the back door.

    • Anne 8.3

      Surprise me and come out and say it loud and clear Wayne. The thought of Donald Trump in the White House fills you with absolute horror.

      No diplomatic niceties – just a straight down the middle admission. Then I will know that both sides of the NZ political coin are as one on this frightening possibility.

      • Wayne 8.3.1

        Anne,
        Not “absolute horror”, but I am clear in my support of Clinton above either Cruz or Trump. Having met her, she is real smart, has clear insight, has an international outlook, and has good and honourable intentions. However, I don’t have quite the fear of Trump as many on the left do. I suspect he would not be nearly as bad as many apprehend.
        But Hillary will be way better. Especially for New Zealand and the Asia/Pacific. And no doubt she will be hoping Obama gets TTP through on his watch, probably in the lame duck Nov to Jan session. That way it is done before she gets into the Whitehouse.

        • Anne 8.3.1.1

          Can you not see the similarities between the modern day Trump rhetoric and the Hitler rhetoric of the 1930s? I’m far less convinced he would moderate his stance if he should gain the presidency. He may do so initially, but his megalomania is likely to ultimately increase in direct proportion to his increase in power.

          • Wayne 8.3.1.1.1

            Anne,

            The Hitler analogy should be reserved for the very worst. For instance Pol Pot, or Milosevic who both directly ordered the mass killing of tens of thousands of civilians. It is why the comparison has been made with ISIS, after they lined up thousands of people and machine gunned or beheaded them.

            Trump, might be boorish, loud mouthed and pugnacious, but he is not in the same realm.

            A better comparison is Berlusconi, or to take a New Zealand example, Muldoon. Neither were good for their respective countries. Maybe Hugo Chavez is also a comparison, but even that is probably going too far.

            As for Trum’ps megalomania, to the extent that it exists, the US political system, with its diverse sources of power and it checks and balances, would limit it. The US has a very robust democracy, and Trump cannot break it, even if he is the President.

            • crashcart 8.3.1.1.1.1

              I think you missed the point there Wayne. People are not comparing 1944 Hitler to Trump. It is the rhetoric he used when he was initially forming the Nazi Party. The xenophobic (then anti-semetic) statements. Inciting violence from his supporters against legitimate protestors.

              I doubt he would go full blow Hitler in the future but he seems to have read his play book on how to take power.

              • Wayne

                Crashcart,

                Hitler is not the right comparison, and I had the 1930’s in mind, as well as the 1940’s, in my previous post.

                By the early 1930’s before he had become Chancellor, Hitler had tried the Munich putsch of 1923, he had written Mien Kampf, and there were the quasi -military Brownshirts, who used extreme violence (ie killed people).

                I am sticking with the Berlusconi comparison. To me it is by far the closest analogy to the Trump phenomena. It is also worth recalling that Muldoon personally punched protesters, and was quite proud of it.

              • Anne

                It is the rhetoric he used when he was initially forming the Nazi Party. The xenophobic (then anti-semetic) statements. Inciting violence from his supporters against legitimate protestors.

                Thanks crashcart. That is precisely what I meant. It’s interesting we have to dot every ‘i’ and cross every ‘t’ with these righties and yet the lefties are able to recognise the distinctions without any trouble. Something to do with open and closed mindsets perhaps?

        • North 8.3.1.2

          Oh “Dr” what a spittling fuck you are…..there ya go…..”However, I don’t have quite the fear of Trump as many on the left do. I suspect he would not be nearly as bad as many apprehend.”

          A “suspect” which accommodates the likes of you to do the double-handed shake shake shake whatever the season. You are a piece of self-interested shit when it comes down to it Wayne.

          • Sacha 8.3.1.2.1

            Dr Mapp has a doctorate. Those quote marks make you look like an ass, not him. Best to attend to the argument, not the person.

        • DoublePlusGood 8.3.1.3

          “an international outlook” – yes, one that involves destabilising countries so she can create more terrorists to fight. Not a very smart international outlook.

        • One Two 8.3.1.4

          “has good and honourable intentions…”

          Everyone has different levels of development, awareness and intuition

          That one is at a particularly low level

        • AmaKiwi 8.3.1.5

          “I don’t have quite the fear of Trump as many on the left do. I suspect he would not be nearly as bad as many apprehend.”

          Wayne, can you translate that into German so I can look up which German politicians said that in 1933?

      • North 8.3.2

        Call on “Dr” Wayne to come up with real shit ? And not have the Tory Monocle fixed firmly on the main chance Anne ? Silly you !

        It’s not for nought he’s called “Main Chance Wayne in Sun or Rain”. Wayne wouldn’t compromise the Faustian possibility of Ambassador Wayne presenting credentials at the Faustian Trump White House (no one else wanting it…..awwh maybe Potato Hekia.) All for the good of The World of course yeah yeah yeah……and continued bludging/junketing on ‘The Gubmint’……theirs and ours.

        C’mon Anne……thought you knew your bludging Tories better than that.

  9. Wayne 9

    Mike C,

    Yes I have been reading that. But I don’t see it happening.

    From what I understand the State Department emails on her own account were classified retrospectively. It does not seem any truly secret emails were ever in her own email account. It seems that it was material that would be classified in NZ as “restricted”, which is the lowest classification level, and in many cases it is hard to see why it is classified at all.

    But in the US, who knows what some zealous prosecutor will do?

    But surely it is really only a technical offence, if one at all.

    • Mike C 9.1

      @Wayne

      How would I know anything about “Presidential Legal Shit and Stuff”?

      The other Clinton came close to being impeached … so why is it so hard to imagine that this Clinton couldn’t possibly be impeached?

      It happened to Nixon.

      One thing I have learned in life … is to “Never Say Never”.

    • RedLogix 9.2

      The issue may not pivot on the exact classification of the emails. The mere fact that she was conducting public business on a private server seems to contravene all manner of law and protocol relating to official record keeping.

      Or to put it another way; I simply cannot think of an innocent explanation for it.

  10. gristle 10

    Trump, Rubio, whoever. Look at how the election will be stolen. Focusing on the primaries allow all sorts of robbery to occur.

    In low income suburbs the number of polling stations can be as low 20% the number of polling stations in more affluent suburbs on a pro rata basis.

    500,000 voters are being wiped from the role as people with the same first and last name committed felonies or they are thought to have double voted even though addresses do middle names are different. Note not actually double voted. This of course is happening most in swing states.And they focus on people with non white sounding names.

    Vote on a Tuesday to make it inconvenient for working people.

    Gerrymandering of Congress seats to get a majority

    Permanent exclusion of ex prisoners from the electoral role.

    Trying to make 600,000 Peuto Recians to have to show proof of citizenship and voter enrollment to vote.

    Each State having a choice on how votes are to exercised. Mechanical devices (remember the hanging chad) other have ballots and others have computerized systems.

    Each state stacks their state’s electoral commission with their dominent party hacks.

    Look how the election can be stolen cause it happened with Bush.

  11. millsy 11

    Hopefully Sanders lands a place in Hillary’s cabinet.

    Perhaps Housing and Urban Development. I heard he did great things with regards to that area when he was mayor of Burlington, VT?

    • aerobubble 11.1

      The republician party is a party of smoke and mirrors, it could get away with it because growth from cheap oil kept allowing them to destroy as the market kept picking up or papering over the mess. Not anylonger. Trump rightly spied a party over extended in its bullshit, out of touch with its consumer and highly leveraged that anyone on the ticket got little oversight and a weight of yes men to push them on.
      The Republician was and is a ethically corrupt party on steroids. Trump is just exposing how idiotic it has become, necessity, Republican white males aren’t enough anymore to get them over the line.

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  • Petrol companies promise prices will come back down once peace is restored to the Middle East
    BP, Z and Mobil all insist that petrol price hikes are temporary, “in a very literal sense.” The nation’s major petrol providers are trying to allay customer fears over prices, promising that they’ll move to lower them again “immediately” when the Middle East is returned to its formerly peaceful state. ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 day ago
  • All Blacks unveil boat for Rugby World Cup 2019
    South African coach Rassie Erasmus says he has no idea what they’re going to do about the boat. In a highly anticipated press conference this afternoon, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has finally unveiled the team’s boat for its Rugby World Cup 2019 campaign. In a press conference that went ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 day ago
  • An increasingly shoddy coverup
    The Operation Burnham inquiry continued to question senior NZDF staff today, and their shoddy coverup over their knowledge of civilian casualties continue to fall apart. If you recall, first, we were asked to believe that it was all a series of "mistakes and errors": a senior officer with multiple degrees ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • If we are to avoid making the earth uninhabitable, we need to rapidly decarbonise our civilisation, and cut emissions to zero as quickly as possible. This seems like an impossible task, but its not. Pushing hard on a few technologies and trends will let us halve emissions in a decade:Greenhouse ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • A further attack on transparency
    The Local Government Act 2002 Amendment Bill (No 2) had part of its committee stage yesterday. its a generally tedious bill about the nitty-gritty of local government reorganisation. But it includes a clause making the Local Government Commission subject to the Ombudsmen Act, and hence the OIA. Great! Except of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Ihumātao and Treaty settlements
    Yesterday Ihumātao's mana whenua reached a consensus that they would like their land back, and asked the government to negotiate with Fletcher's for its return. The government's response? Try and undermine that consensus, while talking about how doing anything would undermine existing Treaty settlements. The first is just more bad ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Protecting our history
    Its Suffrage Day, the 126th anniversary of women winning the right to vote (but not stand in elections) in New Zealand. And to celebrate, the government has bought Kate Sheppard's house in Christchurch:The government has bought Kate Sheppard's former home in Christchurch for more than $4 million. The Ilam villa ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ostracising the coal-burners
    The UN climate summit is happening in new York next week, and unlike previous years, coal-burners and denier-states are not being invited to speak:Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Jojo Tamihere Salutes Herr Goff.
    Get Back Jojo! The elation in Mayor Phil Goff’s camp may be easily imagined as they watched social media light up in indignation at challenger John Tamihere’s "Sieg Heil to that" quip. Just when JT’s notoriously right-wing, sexist and homophobic stains were beginning to fade back into his ‘colourful’ past, ...
    2 days ago
  • Hard News: A fun but flawed weed documentary
    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    2 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    4 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    4 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    4 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    4 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    5 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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