More dirty politics revealed on The Nation today

Written By: - Date published: 6:15 am, June 6th, 2015 - 218 comments
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You might want to tune in and watch The Nation this morning at 9:30. Here’s yesterday’s teaser:

Tomorrow morning on The Nation, an investigation into allegations of more dirty politics by blogger Cameron Slater. A former confidant of Slater’s has supplied The Nation with documents, texts and bank statements raising serious questions about his online activities and plans to hit back against some of those who attacked him last year.

So what was “the mission” that these two men embarked on? Lisa Owen has an exclusive report.

Key-Slater-Farrar

09:30 Available now broadcast and live stream

218 comments on “More dirty politics revealed on The Nation today ”

  1. Tracey 1

    Ben?

  2. weka 2

    “@lprent: @lprent On my 56th birthday. I go on camera for the first time in the seven years of running The Standards systems. Clean up NZ politics …”

    Happy birthday Lynn, and thanks again for all the hard work.

    • Tracey 2.1

      on demand tv then for me.et me know it its a good watch weka….

    • Colonial Rawshark 2.2

      Coming out with a splash! Great. I am confident that you have support from (almost heh) all of us here who comment on The Standard! Good on you Lynn.

    • Kiwiri 2.3

      Happy birthday, Lprent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      You know you are on to something monstrously good when your birth date has at least two numbers of the sign of the devil beast LOL (will I get banned for saying this)?

      Popcorns with birthday cake today, either concurrently or serially.

      Give the candles a good blow …

  3. Popcorn for breakfast?

  4. linda 4

    Thank you to the standard in era of plastic news the standard ive us a formum away from corperate control

  5. linda 5

    I wonder when slaters legal troubles are going to really hit the fan or is it he one of the untouchables

    [Fixed typo – skater’s are cool, slater not so much! TRP]

  6. Kiwiri 6

    Would it be possible to livestream The Nation?

    Or maybe not, hence Lprent said he was off to look for someone who has an aerial that works.

      • Kiwiri 6.1.1

        Nice. Thanks very much, dv 🙂

      • Kiwiri 6.1.2

        Yuck, the boagan was on and I turned off the volume. Will let it run till someone who sounds and looks better comes along.

        • David H 6.1.2.1

          Yeah her and Henare are on their usual Rants. And the usual comment’s from henare “Suck it up”

          • Kiwiri 6.1.2.1.1

            from the marshy dark bog:

            “don’t give me evidence …”

            (i did turn back the volume because i wanted to listen to the others)

          • weka 6.1.2.1.2

            Henare did manage to say something sensible near the start, I don’t think Boag said anything reasonable the whole time.

          • Aaron 6.1.2.1.3

            I got there too late and had to listen Henare as well. I never realised what a total dick he was. Trying to say that the younger generation has it better off because they have interest free loans these days – ignoring the fact that older generations never needed to borrow money to go to university!

            Is he really that thick or does the director tell him to play it as a caricature of an offensive and not very bright right winger?

            I couldn’t work out why the people on the left of the screen didn’t just lay into him for being a complete idiot either.

            • tracey 6.1.2.1.3.1

              Name his 3 best achievements as a MP/Minister or whatever roles he held

              • Alpha Z

                ‘(Name his 3 best achievements as a MP/Minister or whatever roles he held)’

                does farting in the house count?

        • Dialeybr 6.1.2.2

          As a baby boomer, I have to say I was appalled at the smug self-satisfied attitude of the team, and their inability to actually debate the issues. The young ones totally showed them up. And what is it with Boag and her painted on eyebrows?

          • weka 6.1.2.2.1

            The Nation were pretty stupid putting those boomer panelists on (although the dude on the right seemed ok). FFS, how about some acutal debate instead of the sideshow that was.

        • b waghorn 6.1.2.3

          I’ve heard the horrible old bat say she rents a couple of times but not one reporter has asked her why, and if she has any holiday homes or investment property.

          • Kiwiri 6.1.2.3.1

            The young chappie made a good point that the old bat has a choice to rent.

            There is more than meets the eye. In another forum, there should be some digging to see why she is renting (tax arrangements? getting ‘dead’ equity out of a house into money-making ventures?), who she is renting from (yet another arrangement to benefit her own, while she spins money into other stuff?), what financial/tax advantages she derives from the rental scheme, etc.

            • weka 6.1.2.3.1.1

              She had some story about their property being leasehold so it made more sense to rent than buy. But then she went on to say that some people choose not to buy, rent instead, and put their savings into a holiday home or investments. She really is completely clueless.

              • tracey

                Many homes in Remuera have been leasehold with rents going to the Dilworth Trust to ensure the running of Dilworth School.

              • Kiwiri

                She was not that clueless.
                She wanted to take an angle that would make her look like she didn’t have a vested interest. And then she quickly found that she was foolishly opening herself up to a losing argument. So she took a u-turn and tried to run another point .. that she didn’t quite realise yet would make it into another losing point.

                Someone should go through her selfish, stupid and venal blatherings, and point them out for what they are.

                Anyone knows whether The Nation puts out transcripts?

              • tracey

                she means the people she knows

                • weka

                  who are you replying to?

                  • tracey

                    kiwiri

                  • tracey

                    oops, was replying to you, as you suspected, clever clogs, until I said kiwiri.

                    “But then she went on to say that some people choose not to buy, rent instead, and put their savings into a holiday home or investments.”

                    • Scintilla

                      Boag: Botox has frozen her forehead, eyebrows painted on and barely moving. She is a reptile. They came across as bullies, nasty and belligerent. Shame on them. Particularly shameful that Tau tried to put down the young ones for not having families already. You can bet your boots that if they had started families, Boag & Tau would have ripped into them for having children they couldn’t afford.

                      Always makes me cross, too, when oldies go on about the terribleness of high interest rates way- back- when. Actually, you could buy a good house in a provincial city for 30 or 40 grand in early 80s. A plain old state house was even less. Yet they try to sell paying a mill for a festering shack in Grey Lynn at only 6.5% interest as a better deal.

    • weka 6.2

      Mediaworks’ entertainment division live streams it.

      http://www.3news.co.nz/video

    • lprent 6.3

      I discovered live streaming on my workstation. Lyn tells me that I need to get a more balanced sound system – too much base.

      It’d be nice if I could easily livestream to the TV

  7. TheContrarian 7

    Da faq, why is Michelle Boag dressed as an ad for McDonalds

    • weka 7.1

      I thought it appropriate. Christ but she is not only politically abhorrent she’s stupid as well. Apparently Students are better off now because they get an interest free loan, ffs.

      • Tracey 7.1.1

        wow @ Boag… just wow…

        yell, yell, yell, pretend fact, pretend fact, cost/benefit anaylsis, cost/benefit anaylsis, cost/benefit anaylsis

        it would be nice to look after the vulnerable but Boag and her Remuera friends shouldn’t have to contribute toward it…

        On fairness Boag says”that’s all very nice” but I am not paying for it.

        • millsy 7.1.1.1

          Well, im sure she would be regretting those words when she has to pay a lot more for that private security detail when she leaves her Remuera enclave.

    • Tracey 7.2

      “Hamburglar – The Hamburglar was a pint-sized burglar in 1971-2011 and was one of the first villains on the commercials. He is dressed in a black-and-white hooped shirt and pants, a red cape, a wide-brimmed hat, and red gloves. His primary object of theft was hamburgers, hence his name. The character, like Grimace, started out as a villain, only he was old, had a long nose, gray hair, and was called the Lone Jogger in some 1970s commercials, sporting a shirt that said “Lone Jogger”. Hamburglar spoke in gibberish which was often translated by Captain Crook. He was revised in 1985 where his look changed from a trollish old man to a red-headed Dennis the Menace-type child who spoke, wore a shorter brimmed hat, and a black cape with yellow in the inside. Previously his unintelligible muttering became the familiar “robble robble.” In the 2000s, McDonald’s experimented with the possibility of animating the characters to improve ratings. In “The Wacky Adventures of Ronald McDonald,” he takes on a new sporty appearance wearing green goggles, a leather jacket, striped shirt, shorts and sneakers. He loves playing tricks on his friends and still loves burgers. The very last appearances of Hamburglar on television were prime time commercials promoting the dollar menu. One spot featured the Hamburglar and Grimace with Cedric The Entertainer, and the very last spot featured the Hamburglar with tennis stars, Venus and Serena Williams. Various other spots featuring the Hamburglar and characters alongside famous celebrities were planned but were canceled. A conflict emerged between agencies as to whether to continue using the characters or follow through with ad agency Leo Burnett’s desire to elevate the “I’m lovin’ it” campaign and phase out the characters completely. The later was chosen, and the Hamburglar and the McDonaldland characters were not retired. Hamburglar was voiced by Howard Morris in most commercials, Charlie Adler in some 1980s commercials and ‘The Wacky Adventures of Ronald McDonald, and Carl W. Wolfe in some 1990s commercials.[1]”

      just saying

    • Sanctuary 7.3

      She is a dreadful woman, that is why.

    • maui 7.4

      Hehe, she had a decent go at Genter at the end there too. Pretty much saying don’t mess with the power structure I represent, you guys (Greens) are inferior and much frothing at the mouth.

      • tracey 7.4.1

        Genter continues to impress me. I love her passion and her grasp of the issues close to her passion.

        • Sans Cle 7.4.1.1

          Agree: after she fastiduously wiped Brownlee in the pre-election debate, she has nothing but my full admiration. She is smart, sassy, articulate and not afraid to take on the “old-guard”.

          • tracey 7.4.1.1.1

            If she starts to get traction,, expect some digs about her “not being a kiwi”

    • Anne 7.5

      She has no dress sense.

  8. Sable 8

    The sleaze wagon rolls on….

  9. ankerawshark 9

    Happy birthday Lynn.

    Great to have birthday on 06.06………………

  10. ankerawshark 10

    On that debate with Gen X Y versus the boomers. I felt ashamed to be a boomer………..Michelle Boag looked completely crazy

  11. weka 11

    #nationtv3 tweeters went very quiet during the Rachinger piece.

  12. Pernille 12

    http://www.localmatters.co.nz/Hibiscus+Matters/June+2015/Residents+fight+proposal+to+lift+Arkles+Bay+set+net+ban.html

    Very interested to see the Slater story on the Nation. Just a day ago I was surprised to see his face on front page of the local rag.

  13. Skinny 13

    Slater says “I don’t break the law…end of story”

    From what I have seen on The Nation certainly appears like a few laws have been broken. Think the story has a few more chapters than Slater wants. Including a chapter in jail. As a commenter I am less than impressed Slater is wanting to break the law to obtain my private details. Think I will contact my lawyer and seek advice to press charges against Slater and whoever is his client? This is bloody disgraceful and I’m most annoyed.

    • weka 13.1

      Classic Slater tactic, bald faced denial in the face of bald face facts.

      I’m curious as to the line from the police or tv3 as to why the investigation is going to be complicated and long. Haven’t the police been involved for months?

      • marty mars 13.1.1

        The funniest bit was the text from slater – nats are not the funders or words to that effect.

        • weka 13.1.1.1

          Weren’t the funders named in the original docs that Rachinger put up on medium? Can’t remember who they were.

        • freedom 13.1.1.2

          “funder are not nats”
          A weird sentence, even for a text.
          Suggesting ‘the funder’ is not an individual?
          Deepening the tone of the ‘conspiracy shadow’ looming over Slater’s shoulder?

          • tracey 13.1.1.2.1

            John must have had a different hat on then

          • Anne 13.1.1.2.2

            I see TC has mentioned “Israelis” and didn’t Slater have links to an American outfit closely associated with the Tea Party?

            • felix 13.1.1.2.2.1

              Yep, they’re called the National Party 😀

              • Anne

                Well, he said it wasn’t a “Nat.Party funder” which is a dead giveaway. It was an outfit with an association with the Nat Party but not them. I think I go for the American connection.

                Teaser… 😈

                • felix

                  Always have to remember with Slater and John Key and their type, the words don’t have to mean anything in particular.

                  “Not Nats” could mean “Nats but not on behalf of the party”.

                  Or it could mean “Nats who want to break away from the party”.

                  Or it could mean “Nats trying to undermine other Nats”.

                  Or it could mean “Nats but I’m lying, as usual”.

                  • Anne

                    True…….

                    In that case, I go for:

                    Or it could mean “Nats but I’m lying, as usual”.

            • Paul Campbell 13.1.1.2.2.2

              Remember that when Dirty Politics went down Slater was MIA for a while, on some junket in Israel ….

        • whateva next? 13.1.1.3

          who else would be interested ?

      • Marvellous Bearded Git 13.1.2

        I wonder what is going to come out of the woodwork if this goes to court….

      • Skinny 13.1.3

        I knew the guy was a mug but honestly thought he would be a hell of a lot smarter than leaving any trail. Goodness me txts, emails and bank transfers. His client must be very nervous watching this morning. What an amateur lol. Glad Colonel Mustard his tight security.

    • Funny thing for a convicted criminal to say!

    • Jester 13.3

      Skinny.
      Wouldn’t laying a police complaint give Slater what he was after in the first place? That being your real life identity

      Kind of like the Streisand effect.

      • Skinny 13.3.1

        Did I say I…. nah got a good friend who posts on here who has kindly offered to front the complaint. Better employed sitting out the back room in the spin and accounts payable departments.

      • lprent 13.3.2

        Doesn’t worry me. I’ll be making a complaint shortly.

        • linda 13.3.2.1

          can we crowed fund a private prosecution of slater

          • lprent 13.3.2.1.1

            It is an interesting question. But we should see what the police decide to do first. If they (for whatever reason) decide not to, then it is time to decide what to do.

    • tracey 13.4

      Slater posted articles he had not written as his own. He then recorded “clicks” those stories attracted and which he converted into advertising and funding revenue. That’s deceit/fraud.

  14. They did the story well i thought – left everyone to talk, nudged it along – pretty strong evidence at first glance – you looked and sounded good lynn – will be interesting to see where it all goes to.

    • weka 14.1

      I thought that too, let the story unfold and let the police get on with it (and Slater if he wants to sue).

      • tracey 14.1.1

        Interesting that Slater has nothing to say when he is not controlling the framing. Now who does that remind you of?

    • lprent 14.2

      The camera is merciless.

      I can see the 30kgs that I put on since I had to give up smoking and dieting in 2011 after having heart attack.

      🙁

      Oh well – better than being dead.

      • tracey 14.2.1

        I Have sympathy. That happened to me some years ago when I was on Secret New Zealand. I saw the woman masquerading as me and wanted to do the Heimlich maneuver to make her cough me up.

      • Kiwiri 14.2.2

        Portion size. Gradually reduce them.
        And put some of those snacks out of reach from the desktop, like at the other end of the room so that you have to walk over to get some. And keep them there.

        • tracey 14.2.2.1

          “Portion size. Gradually reduce them.”

          At first I thought you were poking fun at “Supersize me Boag”

        • lprent 14.2.2.2

          I generally avoid snacks, and I don’t eat a lot.

          The only way I ever found to not increase weight was considerable exercise (ie army level) or very low carb diets or near starvation to the point that I can’t program. Right now I am happy to just stabilise the weight and keep increasing exercise slowly.

          • Hami Shearlie 14.2.2.2.1

            The Warrior Diet may help – not dieting as such just eating your main meal at night and not much in the day – Also Garcinia Cambogia to reduce the appetite before that main meal may help too!!

            • TheContrarian 14.2.2.2.1.1

              Yah, the main-meal at night thing is weird. Bill Bryson about the evolution of dinner being the main meal in his book At Home (I mean the books title is At Home, not that it is at home – though it is.)

            • Draco T Bastard 14.2.2.2.1.2

              I prefer having the main meal as breakfast. Although I’ve now progressed to having two smaller main meals with light snacks in between. Throw in some minor exercise (I either bicycle or walk everywhere) and I’m feeling fitter than I have in years.

              PS. I have NFI how this thread got from Dirty politics to diet.

              • I have found the feast and famine diet works for me – over a week 2 days eat whatever (vegetarian), 2 days not much, 1 day fast – mix it up, keep the body guessing.

                • felix

                  And the remaining two days, just cakes?

                  • more of a savory fan than sweet

                    • felix

                      But what about the other two days?

                    • The other two days eat normally – breakie, lunch and dinner – the not much days may miss any of those meals. Sometimes a 2 day fast fits or an extra eat whatever day fits. Please note this works for me and I don’t know the health or physiology of others so check with your trusted health person before making personal changes to your eating.

                    • felix

                      So four days regular eating, 2 days minimal, one day fast?

                      Are you doing that in any particular order?

                    • more like 1 day fast (sometimes 2), 2 days low (perhaps miss 1 or 2 meals), 2 days normal (3 meals a day normal sized), 1 day eat whatever and the other day add to the other days – so maybe 3 low instead of 2 or 2 eat anything instead of 1 – mixing it up, no particular order, keep my body guessing, eat when hungry, don’t eat when not and so on. I don’t work on the calendar week eg Monday always fast – rolling week, depending on where I’m at (that is listening to my body, being aware of what is happening eg if I had some hole digging to do I may make sure that i fast after that job not before – but not always). Basically not having a set pattern. All the family are meat eaters (happy meat though 😉 – except for me so I often make my own meals or when I cook I cook vege for everyone.

                      I may call this the savage diet

              • tracey

                LOL Lynn thought he looked fat on TV 😉

  15. Enough is Enough 15

    you looked great and sounded very restrained

    • lprent 15.1

      Good thing they didn’t use my closing comment then. Something like
      “Cameron Slater is the arsehole of the local internet”

      • tracey 15.1.1

        Don’t worry, by his own words and deeds… the conclusion is the same 🙂

      • felix 15.1.2

        Oh I think that came across pretty clearly Lynn, both from your words and his 😉

      • Scintilla 15.1.3

        Should I be concerned if I get oddball emails? Had one a week or two ago, apparently from a school admin person, (which I would be likely to open I guess) , which simply said “Order”, with an attachment. Strange. Didn’t open it.

        • lprent 15.1.3.1

          If you don’t know exactly what it is, then assume it is spam or worse. Trash it.

          • Kiwiri 15.1.3.1.1

            What I have done in the past is to pick up the phone and ask the sender whether she/he had really sent it to me and what the attachment is all about. And then, even if legitimately sent, I would run the attachment through the anti-virus scanner.

      • Treetop 15.1.4

        The word hypocrite said it all.

        I wonder what the cops make of Slater crying wolf.

  16. mickysavage 16

    Well done lprent and happy birthday!

  17. mickysavage 18

    Isn’t it funny how without a shred of embarrassment Slater wanted to find out if authors on the Standard were up to the same thing that our National equivalents were (ghost writing of posts by parliamentary staffers, use of Parliamentary resources to conduct political attacks on opponents).

    • This would simultaneously make it OK for Ede to have done the hit-jobs he did, while also requiring some kind of criminal investigation/summary dismissal for the imaginary Labour staffers involved.

      Rightwing logic, you can’t beat it (because it doesn’t really exist.)

  18. Amanda Atkinson 19

    Something isn’t right, I doubt Slater would trust someone that much, so soon after a hack on his own site. He’d have his own trusted network of people. Asking someone (a stranger) to make a political hack, after only knowing them a few weeks? …. don’t think so. To lodge a complaint with the cops, about something he was doing himself at the same time, with same person (Rachinger), giving evidence to the cops about Rawshark, but also having that same person, hack on his behalf? Don’t think so. It’s doesn’t fit. It doesn’t work.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 19.1

      What doesn’t it fit with?

    • b waghorn 19.2

      Just in case you missed it slater is not a rational sane man

    • tracey 19.3

      Sometimes people’s hatred (rational or otherwise) for someone or something can make them do foolish things.

    • lprent 19.4

      After observing Cameron Slater for a number of years (and read the dialogue in Dirty Politics), I have come to the conclusion that Slater doesn’t have “trusted” peopel around for very long.

      I think that they are trusted for about as long as it takes him to find some reason to look down upon them. Then he doesn’t trust them because they are “weak”.

      Read Dirty Politics. See his ‘private’ options on the people that he trusted the previous year to the people he’d only started trusting now. But a classic example is the way that the joint gotcha site started and died.

      I find it incredible that anyone can run anything like that. And I am a rampantly arrogant programmer with an MBA and oversized ego (ask anyone who knows me).

      I find that it is so much easier just working with people as they actually are,agreeing to disagree on some things, and working as a team for whatever common goals can be found. But that’d involve Slater in respecting people, working with people who aren’t sycophantic toadies, and I really don’t think he is wired for that.

    • Treetop 19.5

      Slater is ego driven and has to fill his big ego.

  19. Sacha 20

    Fairfax story has Slater claiming he loaned Rachinger money because he is a ‘generous’ soul and that he voluntarily handed over his computer and phone gear to the Police already:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69160673/cameron-slater-denies-hacking-allegations

    Hopefully we get to see that tested in court.

  20. weka 21

    Any ideas why the documentation having been online compromises the police investigation?

    A police spokesman said police received a complaint regarding an alleged attempt to procure the hacking of a computer system and it was being investigated by Counties Manukau CIB.

    “There are a number of complexities to the investigation, including the posting online of documentation which has already compromised the investigation, which is making our inquires more difficult.”

    Police were taking a “cautious approach” and any decision on charges was “some way off”, he said.

    Slater said he was not aware of any police investigation and he had not been contacted by police in relation to these allegations.

    “I’ve got nothing to hide from any police investigation.”

    “I’ve been totally open with the police…I’ve given them my computer, I’ve given them my phone, I’ve given them everything voluntarily.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69160673/Cameron-Slater-denies-hacking-allegations

    • Anne 21.1

      Police were taking a “cautious approach” and any decision on charges was “some way off”, he said.

      Police talk for “we’re gonna run a mile from this one”.

      The very fact they haven’t “raided” Slater’s home yet they couldn’t wait to get into Hager’s home says it all!

      • weka 21.1.1

        yeah, but I’ve been trying to remember what the time period was between DP being publishes and the raid on Hager. Anyone?

        • Anne 21.1.1.1

          The book launch was around the middle of August last year. Slater was “on holiday” in Israel – courtesy of the Israeli government. He returned around 2 weeks after the launch and immediately laid a complaint with the police about the “hacking of his computer site” by rawshark. There was a hiatus of about 3 weeks (during which time we had an election and the Nats won) and then wham… the police turned up at Hager’s home and spent 10 hrs turning it upside down. Hager happened to be in Auckland that day. Coincidence the police chose the same day to raid his property? I think not.

          Looking back it is absolutely incredulous that the police chose to go all out for Hager and rawshark when all they did was expose the political criminality that had been occurring for a long time by individuals close to Key at the time, and at least two of whom had worked in the PM’s Office.

          Edit: checked it out. Book launch 13th Aug. Slater must have laid complaint early to mid Sept. Election 20th Sept. Hager raid 6th October.

          • Bill 21.1.1.1.1

            From reports that I’m not about to dig up atm, the search was taken to be more likely inspired by stuff he was doing for ‘the intercept’. Sorry, but I can’t remember details beyond that. So yes, it was a fishing expedition, but nothing to do with ‘Dirty Politics’ per se.

            • Anne 21.1.1.1.1.1

              Hi Bill. All the reports at the time indicated they were really after rawshark and they believed evidence of his identity would likely be among Hager’s papers and his computers of course. In fact, from memory the police actually conceded it was rawshark they were mostly interested in.

              • Sacha

                That’s what they said. Doesn’t rule out other motives.

                Recall reading at the time that Hager is also working on a book exposing alleged police corruption, material for which was amongst that seized.

              • Bill

                Any other motive couldn’t be aired, could it? They (the authorities) knew he was working on Snowdon stuff as well as stuff related to what Sacha says below.

                Rawshark was the entry ticket, not the reason.

                • Anne

                  Oh yes, there was probably more than one reason why they raided Hager. The rawshark one was the one to receive the publicity.

                  Its deeply ironic isn’t it. The police who are charged with the task of preventing and investigating crime go all out to gather gen on the whistle-blowers rather than the individuals who are carrying out the criminal activities. Which is why I don’t believe they will conduct a proper investigation into the latest Slater shenanigans.

    • Could be as simple as publishing evidence online makes it easier for a defence lawyer to claim it’s been tampered with, or revealing details which were only known to the investigation makes it harder to use the evidence to support witness testimony. I’m not thinking of the specifics of this case, just the general investigation of crimes and confidentiality of evidence side of things.

  21. linda 22

    iam glad slater got duped what comes around goes around it couldn’t happen to a nicer chap

  22. millsy 23

    Boag and Henare are in complete denial about how good the baby boomers had it compared to young people today.

    Sure they had no ipads, or ‘interweb’, but they could walk into a job just like that, no CV’s no interviews, no needing experience or anything. And when you got a job, it was at a decent wage, with regular pay increases so you could pay that 18% interest. The government and bosses didnt expect parents to subsidise them, which is why people could move out, get married and have kids when they were 18-21.

    And Henare’s family probably got big fat redundancy payments (and in some cases, cheap loans to start their own businesses). People forget that that most of the small businesses in this country were started by those laid off by all those non existent entities.

    What do young people have to look forward to today? A lifetime as a freelancing hipster, still flatting at 35, never quite getting enough money to get ahead.

    I wish I was born in 1960, as opposed to 1980.

    • Gangnam Style 23.1

      “A lifetime as a freelancing hipster” – I’m afraid so, I & my peers are all 70s children, this describes us pretty well.

      • vto 23.1.1

        Here’s an option for you – drop out. Fuck trying to emulate the previous generations – leave them to buy and sell their lemon houses to each other, don’t get a job source an income instead, totally opt out from THEIR system and norms…

        Strike out on your own gangnam and millsy. If the previous generations wont let you into the playground then tell them to get fucked and go elsewhere.

        Ignore them totally.

        • weka 23.1.1.1

          That’s very good vto!

          • vto 23.1.1.1.1

            Thanks, but it aint nothing new …. it is how manwomankind advances in part isn’t it? ….. have found that the freedom, excitement and confidence that comes with slamming shut a door that one is supposed to walk through and heading off in my own direction very empowering (though at times brisk) over the centuries

    • Alpha Z 23.2

      (‘Boag and Henare’)

      Two old farts.

    • dv 23.3

      Henare said the housing corp charged 20% interest in the 80s
      That was wrong.
      We paid 3%

      What was missed in the ‘discussion’ was the cost of housing cf to pay.

      WE paid 3x salary, now the same house is 6.8x he equivalent salary

      There was also a govt saving scheme that helped for your first house.

      AND
      was it Boag who said she had to pay for her education.
      She did NOT have to pay fees, she have to pay to feed her self.

      • Sacha 23.3.1

        Caviar was never cheap.

      • Tracey 23.3.2

        he confused hc with banks after the 87 crash. easy enougb mistake when you talk solely out of your arse.

        • Sacha 23.3.2.1

          it’s the vibe, your honour

        • dv 23.3.2.2

          We were paying 14% on 2nd mortgage in the early eighties.

          What irritated me was that Henare and Boag shouted there way through the ‘discussion’

          The head piece by the economist had some good points.
          There was little discussion on that.

          • Tracey 23.3.2.2.1

            agree. less a ddbate or a discussion and more of who can verbally bully the best… one side trying to debate. 2/3 of the other bullying

    • felix 23.4

      That was AMAZING.

      Young people: ‘But you guys went to uni for free, and even got paid to be there’

      Old people: ‘Yeah, but we never got an interest-free student loan!’

      You fucking lying idiots. You got paid to go to uni and you think you suffered a hardship because you didn’t come out of the end of it with a bill for 50 grand.

      Lying. Fucking. Idiots.

      • Tracey 23.4.1

        also financially illiterate judging by that thinking… remember the msm mockery of green candidates for not knowing the exact rate of inflation.

        sst and sh are oblivious to the entire debate but know about it cos they copied and pasted the rachinger bit.

    • JanMeyer 23.5

      “I wish I was born in 1960, as opposed to 1980”

      Rejoice in the fact the you are 20 years younger than me! Lucky bugger!

  23. millsy 24

    And Rachinger is pretty brave to take $5000 from Slater and not do anything in return.

    • Well, in fact, Rachinger did to something – just not quite what Slater was expecting.

      It’s also occurred to me that Slater is incredibly thick – thicker than I had imagined – to allegedly carry out this kind of provacative behaviour. He’s just succeeded in putting a dirty great big bulls-eye on his forehead for every leftist or left-leaning or anarchist hacker to have another go at his blogsite.

      The guy really is his own worst enemy.

      • weka 24.1.1

        +1 and he left such a trail of evidence even after DP having been published.

      • Tracey 24.1.2

        slater has zero self awareness. accordingly he can rail and mourn behaviour in others he routinely practises himself.

  24. James 25

    Yes, I don’t understand why he ( slater) would fall for something like this, is he pissed with his dad for something ?
    I just dont understand why NZ tolerates this, this is the son of the national party president FFS, 2nd time around hacking into systems for political gain.
    what country is this again ?

    • Tracey 25.1

      because he operates from base emotion. his hatred for thestandard overrode any common sense. someone was offering to attack something he hates so he was blinded. it is not uncommon.

  25. vto 26

    So, has the Standard been hacked or not?

    Forgive me if I have missed something somewhere but since this erupted some months ago there doesn’t appear to have been a categorical statement…

    • weka 26.1

      Lynn says in the interview that to his knowledge no ts had never been hacked.

      • Tracey 26.1.1

        he said it is constantly being attempted though?

        • weka 26.1.1.1

          every 5 seconds or something. I assume that’s automated spam type attacks, which is different than what Ben said he could do.

          • Tracey 26.1.1.1.1

            dont hackers run automated attacks constantly on a site seeking a weakness and opening? not receiving money or holding cc details make ts less of a target to those kinds of attackers

  26. weka 27

    Ben Rachinger has his posts back up on blogger.com now. Not sure if that’s the full lot from medium or not.

    http://benrachinger.blogspot.co.nz/2015/05/my-name-is-benjamin-rachinger.html

  27. weka 28

    Felix Geiringer has been tweeting on the legals, esp re police in/action.

    https://twitter.com/BarristerNZ

    https://twitter.com/BarristerNZ/with_replies

  28. weka 29

    @gtiso kindly translates the police statement (original police statemens in the pics)

    Giovanni Tiso
    ‏@gtiso

    I’m going to translate into standard English some statements by the New Zealand Police. Please bear with me.

    Some documents have been published online, which is making it harder for us to continue to pretend they don’t exist. pic.twitter.com/q7MpSJzDPq

    Police are taking a cautious approach, and working through a number of complex steps to wait this thing out. pic.twitter.com/Mb5uF1tuzd

    The eventual decision not to lay charges will have to wait until you have all forgotten about the case. pic.twitter.com/j0JtJiXL37

    https://twitter.com/gtiso/status/607106725800321024

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