Not funny

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Kiwiblog now has a cartoonist and it’s simply disgusting stuff. I’m not going to post the cartoon because I don’t want the image on our blog (you can see it here) – it mocks Folole Muliaga, an ill woman who died needlessly. It’s irredeemably uninsightful, unfunny, and offensive.

It really speaks to both David Farrar’s political nous and personal judgment that he would publish such material, let alone state that he thinks it’s funny. It’s Whaleoil level stuff. I don’t know what Farrar is thinking.

89 comments on “Not funny”

  1. the sprout 1

    what a prick. i hope the muliaga family pay farrar a visit to express their concerns.

  2. Felix 2

    And Davey’s actually proud to have this shite on his blog.

  3. Joker 3

    Perhaps we should call a Jihad on Denmark I mean Farrar for this craven use of the holy Muliaga image.

    (Actually I think a Jihad on a person would ba a Fatwah)

  4. Disengaged 4

    For someone that dislikes Farrar and Kiwiblog so much you spend a great deal of time talking about him/it and referring people to his site.

    Its much like the people who watch Southpark just so they can write an outraged letter to the BSA. How about you just don’t look?

  5. Tane 5

    Actually I don’t think this site has referred to Kiwiblog in about a month, during which time Farrar has referred to us several times. You may be confusing us with Kiwiblogblog.

    Personally I don’t dislike the man, though I question his judgement at times like these.

  6. all_your_base 6

    Yeah, Disengaged, my feeling is that you can let crap like this pass and say nothing or call it how you see it. This is the kind of nasty sh*t we can all do without.

  7. Disengaged 7

    It is the fine line that we travel when we value freedom of expression.

    As Tony Blair said “What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.”

  8. Policy Parrot 8

    The Muliaga cartoon is very offensive. Perhaps we should boycott all publications that carry that cartoonist’s work until either a public apology or until the cartoonist is dropped from all media.

  9. Tane 9

    Disengaged. What a silly argument. All freedom of expression means is you don’t get put in prison for expressing your views. It’s not a blank cheque to be offensive or a shield to hide from well-deserved criticism.

  10. Disengaged 10

    I’m not saying it’s a shield to criticism. In fact, part of the price for freedom of expression is that people have the freedom to criticise your work.

    But freedom of expression means more than “just not being put in prison”. It also means that we as “reasonable” people must accept that some things that people say or do are going to offend us.

    I guess what I’m saying that asking a whole lot of people to view something that you know they are going to be offended by seems rather counter productive.

    Have you raised your concerns with the cartoonist?

    Also for what it is worth, I have stopped visiting Kiwiblog as I do not feel comfortable with most of the views expressed by the commentors. The increasing number of “Labourmustbeliquidated” and “Labour is scum” type pseudonyms and correspondingly downgrade posts is a turn off. Even thought I am more right leaning than left.

  11. Policy Parrot 11

    By the way, the cartoonist’s name is Michael Botur.

    BTW – Disengaged – the Muliaga cartoon has nothing to do with politics – it is not a legitimate target and is plain disrespectful.

  12. More faux outrage. have any of you actually looked at the cartoon? Or have you looked at it and lack the wit to understand the context?

  13. Tim 13

    Disengaged – freedom of speech also means we’re allowed to criticise the cartoonist for his shit cartoon.

  14. Policy Parrot 14

    BB, you are comparing a deliberate disconnection with a potential for blackout beyond the control of authorities.

    Its not faux outrage at all – I’m sure the death of a relative of yours was funny to some, but I can’t see how it would be funny to you, or for me for that matter.

    I’d doubt whether it would be in good taste either.

  15. barnsleybill. perhaps you could enlighten us as to the wit in the cartoon?

  16. Tane 16

    As a_y_b said,

    Yeah, Disengaged, my feeling is that you can let crap like this pass and say nothing or call it how you see it. This is the kind of nasty sh*t we can all do without.

    No one bothers telling people like Whaleoil that he’s filth because he’s irrelevant and in any case well beyond the point of no return. I’d expect someone like Farrar to know better, especially if he wants to maintain an air of respectability.

  17. all_your_base 17

    barnsleybill – if you lack the empathy to see that a Mrs Muliaga’s death isn’t appropriate to make fun of I’m not sure any amount of persuasion from the commenters here is likely to get through.

  18. Tim 18

    I’ve looked at the cartoon. It’s puerile and offensive because it makes a mockery of a woman’s death. It also looks like an 8 year old with pen-holding difficulties drew it (in fact all of this guy’s cartoons look like a schoolboy drew them). They’re certainly not witty or funny, unless you still laugh at fart noises and America’s Funniest Home Videos.

    Nobody’s going to put a fatwa on the cartoonist, so there’s no point in making hysterical comparisons to the Danish cartoonist or quoting Tony Blair.

    Freedom of speech is important so we can see what low lives these people are. They’re perfectly entitled to draw the cartoon to expose their bigoted idiocy. However, I reserve my right to say what a shit cartoon it is and that it exposes the seedy mentality of a lot of kiwibloggers.

  19. Where in the cartoon itself or in any of the accompanying text does it suggest humour.. Forget the tag at the bottom. DPF suggested it pushes comfort levels and it certainly does. if you cannot see the correlation between the govt strip mining profits from the SOE power companies and them tub thumping about their heartless attitude whilst overseeing another power crisis I give up on you lot. Not everything is blue or red.

    How do you reconcile people dying for lack of power with Cullen receiving 10 bucks per week per household in dividends from these companies?
    Money that has been spent on social policy that events in the crimezone of south Auckland would suggest have not worked. But hey as long as you guys can keep blogging from your safe little govt jobs there are no problems right?

  20. Speaking of whale oil and mrs Muliaga, didnt the whale have a little bill paying (cell phone mind you) issue of his own a while back?

  21. barnsley. Noone has died for lack of national power supply. There is plenty of production capacity, just a lack of water at present

    A woman died because her power was cut, needlessly, and then, it seems, the inaction of the family and the hospital conpounded things. that has nothing to do with the amount of power generation with have or the current low hyrdo lake levels. Even if it did, the cartoon would still not be witty.

  22. Steve.
    That is the very first time I have seen a commentator from the left call the circumstances surrounding the death of that woman with anything resembling calm reason.
    Maybe that cartoon has actually produced one reasonable comment.
    Thanks.

  23. gobsmacked 23

    Clearly freedom of expression includes the freedom to offend.

    But is this freedom-loving fearlessly offensive cartoonist the same person who strongly complained to the Broadcasting Standards Authority, about a supposedly “humorous” item, because he was … offended?

    http://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/2007/2007-139.htm

    Is he offended by day and offensive by night? Or are they two different people?

  24. Felix 24

    Freedom of speech means that:

    1. Davey can publish a picture
    2. Steve can say it’s offensive
    3. disengaged can display his misunderstanding of the concept
    4. barnsley can spew his usual faux-discontent

    and everyone now has a better understanding of where the others are coming from.

    Neat isn’t it?

  25. SweeetD 25

    [ill-informed and disgusting comments. take it to Kiwiblog. And if you post like that agian here you’ll be banned. SP]

  26. MikeE 26

    I’m more offended from someone trying to build political capital out of her tragic death, a family member offering $150 to pay for a fight at a gym, yet unwilling to pay the power bill of roughly the same cost.

    Then all people (from both sides of the political spectrum) dragging this through the media, when the family probably just needs support and the ability to grieve.

  27. Disengaged 27

    Pray tell Felix how have I misunderstood the concept of freedom of expression?

  28. Policy Parrot 28

    sweeetd – how can one “pay the bill” if they don’t have any money?

    And how do you know that she “ate herself to death?” I didn’t see that in the coroner’s report.

    The family have some responsibility for sure, but that doesn’t make it funny – that is the point we are making here.

  29. SweeetD 29

    what was ill informed about my comments?

    I know you have made a saint out of the women, but ‘ill health’ was created by her own obesity.

    The oxygen being turned off did not kill her, it was the failure to get her to hospital.

    She had a history of not paying her power bills.

    So, again, what was ill informed pierson?

    [ok, then, your comments were just disgusting. SP]

  30. ben 30

    To be fair though Farrar does pay his own bills.

    [lprent: Are you suggesting that I don’t pay the standard’s bill? It is the fastest known way to get kicked off here permanently and with a high degree of malice on my part. After the attacks from the rabid right morons I have adopted a simple negative tolerance policy that even they understand.

    If that isn’t the case then I’d suggest to say what you mean in a hurry otherwise I’ll dump you out later today. This head cold is making me cranky and I feel like some malevolent play.]

  31. James Kearney 31

    No he doesn’t, he bludges off Inspire.Net.

  32. randal 32

    disengaged you dont seem to understand that farrars blog offends everybody and not just tory apparatchiks. are you thik?

  33. David,

    If you have any respect for the dead I ask that you write the Muliaga family an apology.

    IT

  34. Grow up and get a sense of humour you gormless pc gits.
    Pull the plug on this place because it kills the secretion of endorphins. Use some visual imagery like Helen in a cell?
    Haha – boring dicks.

    [dad. You wrote to us asking for your permanent ban to be lifted and promising that you would contribute substantively. You’ve been doing so well, but the last few days you’ve been slipping into your old ways. Don’t let down our trust in you. Moreover, I’m not sure that the Republicanz party would appreciate their candidate for Christchurch Central making statements like this in public. SP]

  35. Lukas 35

    see D4J… you just go and say something like that and paint all of us right leaning people here with the same brush… please just learn to hold your tongue man!

  36. Sure Lukas,right leaning going around in left circles, my point was laughter transcends all human beings.

  37. Disengaged 37

    Randal, I understand that Kiwiblog offends SOME people. I don’t agree with a lot of the posts there and I certainly don’t agree with a lot of the comments made there. BUT, He still has a right to have his blog and to post things on it that many people may find offensive.

    If people think that I am thick because I want to live in a country where people are free to satarise things or voice their opinionseven though they may cause offense to some then so be it.

    I am puzzled by your phrase Tory Apparatchiks though as I would deem that t be an oxymoron. Also the plural of apparatchik is apparatchiki. Now who is the thicky? 😉

    Captcha: Trinidad Sweater. Wouldn’t it be a little warm for a wooly jumper in the Caribbean?!?

  38. Matthew Pilott 38

    MikeE – blame the media – if something bad happens they take on the role as collective counsellor to the nation, priest at the funeral, and “explain” to us what the family “must be going through”.

    As Maynard said: “It’s no fun ’till someone dies… why don’t we just admit it”.

    Buggered if I know how such an attitude in reporting will change.

    P.s – who’s the ‘someone’ trying to make political capital that you refer to?

  39. Lukas 39

    how on earth was that point made in your comment D4J?

  40. MikeE 40

    Matt: The certain relative who up untill recently was a labour candidate, launching his campaign off the death of a family member who could not pay her bills.

    I find it disgusting that he can offer money for people to fight slater in a boxing ring, being almost the same amount of cash required for the power bill, yet he was either unable or unwilling to contribute said cash to his family member – whom he and many other claim died as a result of said unpaid power bill.

    I’ve watched family members die too, but I would NEVER use them for political capital, especially in these circumstances.

    I’m sure the Children in the family would prefer support, rather than people drugging their mothers name through the gutter (as I said on both sides of the spectrum) for pure political gain.

  41. Lew 41

    I know Michael Botur pretty well, and I know him to be an entirely decent and humane person.

    I’ve spoken with him about these cartoons and I think there’s a lot of presumption about their purpose. In the particular case in question, I think it’s clearly a dig at Mercury (and the government by proxy) rather than laughs at the expense the Muliaga family – though I agree it could have been more tasteful. I’m pretty sure the ‘toons weren’t drawn just for KiwiBlog, but as part of general observations about life in NZ. I think reactions to their content (though not their quality, to which responses have been similar on both sites) have been coloured somewhat by the presence on that site, rather than elsewhere.

    NZ needs more satire. You might not like this or value it, but it’s not of nearly the same degree as Stan Blanch or Whale Oil, and Michael isn’t that kind of person.

    L

  42. T-rex 42

    Great to have the added depth Lew, cheers.

  43. Lampie 43

    Should be forwarded to Larry Williams on NatZB and other media sources, perhaps then they will not take him serously especially if he supports this (having it on web would show that)

  44. Lampie 44

    Forward it to Larry Williams on NatZB and other media, perhaps they won’t take him serously

  45. Lew. I still don’t see what the satire or humour is.

    And Farrar is listing them under the title ‘kiwiblog cartoons’, so he’s taking them on as part of his brand. So, you’re right, if the cartoon had appeared on some other no-name blog like the Hive or something I would have ignored it.

  46. Hoolian 46

    Yeah, Disengaged, my feeling is that you can let crap like this pass and say nothing or call it how you see it. This is the kind of nasty sh*t we can all do without.

    Oh good. So you agree then that the Catholic Church had every right to go to the BSA and complain about the “Bloody Mary” episode on Southpark?

  47. Hoolian. Of course the Catholic Church had every right to object to something they found objectionable.

  48. T-rex 48

    Precisely.

    And I have every right to think that the catholic church have a mentality fresh from the dark ages in many regards.

    Gotta love that freedom!

  49. Felix 49

    disengaged:

    I meant to suggest that you misinterpreted the objections to the cartoons as being somehow contrary to the principle of free expression when really they were nothing of the sort.

    But I didn’t mean anything serious by it and I hope I haven’t offended you.

    Hoolian:

    Are you trying to run one of those obtuse BrettDale-esque arguments along the lines of “if you object to anything you have to object to everything”? Yawn.

  50. Lew 50

    Steve: “I still don’t see what the satire or humour is.”

    You don’t see satire in the idea that a government-owned agency might cut power to a needy customer because of a general shortage? The humour’s black and it might be crass to you, but that doesn’t mean it’s not there.

    “And Farrar is listing them under the title ‘kiwiblog cartoons’, so he’s taking them on as part of his brand.”

    When I talked to Michael (yesterday, after they went up) he wasn’t aware they’d been published. The guy draws a lot of cartoons, he sends them off to various outlets for publication and they may or may not get published. That’s how freelancing works.

    Perhaps DPF would like to confirm the cartoons’ status for the record, though he doesn’t have any public duty to do so. I can say with certainty. Again, for the record, your line of `Kiwiblog has a cartoonist’ is false, though unless Michael contacts you about it you don’t have any public duty to clarify anything there, either.

    L

  51. Matthew Pilott 51

    mikeE – I missed that whole thing. Fighting slater in a boxing ring?? I don’t get any of it but never mind, I’ll find out.

  52. Jon 52

    “The Muliaga cartoon is very offensive. Perhaps we should boycott all publications that carry that cartoonist’s work until either a public apology or until the cartoonist is dropped from all media”

    Or you could just boycott Kiwiblog?

  53. ben 53

    Sounds like you could use a few beers SP. Lighten up, brother

  54. gobsmacked 54

    DPF, introducing the cartoons on Kiwiblog:

    “Michael Botur specialises in political cartoons, and has kindly offered to supply Kiwiblog readers with a series of them during election year.”

    The word “offered” doesn’t leave much room for doubt there. They are Kiwiblog cartoons, for Kiwiblog readers.

  55. Matthew Pilott 55

    Jon – clearly no experience in activism…

    Ben – not from SP – read it again…

  56. Lew 56

    gobsmacked: “The word “offered’ doesn’t leave much room for doubt there. They are Kiwiblog cartoons, for Kiwiblog readers.”

    Just because they were offered to Kiwiblog doesn’t mean they were drawn for Kiwiblog. They might have been (I didn’t ask), but it doesn’t necessarily follow. In any case that’s not what I disputed; I disputed the `Kiwiblog now has a cartoonist’ opening line. I know Michael is not Kiwiblog’s captive cartoonist because I know what he does for a living, and it’s not draw cartoons for Kiwiblog. I know his work is also published elsewhere than Kiwiblog.

    L

  57. Anita 57

    Avoiding the shouting about free speech for a moment…

    I am fascinated that someone as closely connected to National as DPF would post those cartoons. It seems like a high political risk for a low possible pay off.

    Is this simply an un-checked rush of blood to DPF’s head? In which case, what will/should National do to distance itself from the embarassment?

    Or is it (yet another) of the Nats using Kiwiblog to float a potentially risky tactic/idea at arms-length and see if it should become part of the National strategy? If so, why are they sure DPF’s actions will never reflect back directly on the party?

  58. Dean 58

    “A woman died because her power was cut, needlessly, and then, it seems, the inaction of the family and the hospital conpounded things. that has nothing to do with the amount of power generation with have or the current low hyrdo lake levels. Even if it did, the cartoon would still not be witty.”

    You still haven’t broached the topic of the amount of money the government gets from everyone’s power bill. Or how regulated by government the power generation industry actually is. Or how much the prices have risen. I’d be interested in your opinions on these matters, because I suspect that they wouldn’t marry up with this statement.

    I’m on the fence on this one, but I would like to know the family’s weekly income and expenses before making a judgement. Yes, that includes the food bill.

  59. Felix 59

    …his work is also published elsewhere than Kiwiblog.

    Just out of interest, where else?

  60. T-Rex 60

    Dean – how regulated by the government IS the generation industry? I’d love a link. As far as I can tell it’s actually not that heavily regulated at all, which is why it’s actually not that bad!

  61. Lew 61

    Felix: He’s done covers, interior illustrations and ‘toons for Salient, which DPF cites. He’s also self-published a few things. I don’t know Michael’s work as well as I know him, so I’m not an authority here. The point I’m trying to make is that he’s not DPF’s pet cartoonist, as is implied.

    L

  62. Dean 62

    T-Rex. it’s 2/3rds owned by the government.

    I guess in some quarters that’s not considered “heavily regulated” but if you think regulating the rest is the key to lowering power prices then you might want to take a look at what’s happened to the cost with only 2/3rds.

  63. randal 63

    it was only regulated so the nats could payout on their election promises to the right wing friedmanite nutters and look at the trouble it has caused. everybody arguing like american business commentators instead of getting on with the substantive issues like the productive capacity of the economy. meanwhile generating capacity has been sacrificed for quaterly figures. the country has become inane.

  64. Actually the best satire comes from subjects that may cause offensive.

  65. andy 65

    the country has become inane.

    pure genius 🙂

  66. T-Rex 66

    Dean – it’s 2/3rd state owned enterprises.

    SOE’s act like companies. The only difference is that the profits go to the govt, not to shareholders.

    Explain to me how that’s a bad thing? You’re complaining that some fraction of your power bill is paid, through the SOE’s, to the govt? You’d rather it went to a private entity so you never saw it again?

    The regulation that occurs has nothing to do with the SOE’s, it’s done by the electricity commission. I’m trying to learn more about that now, because I actually think the system works well and I’d really like the facts to rebut arguments like the one that Jum has quoted from Bradford in the 100 things thread.

  67. ak 67

    Bretty: Actually the best satire comes from subjects that may cause offensive.
    mmmmm… and the best humour is unintended – like this “sagacity” with kohanga grammatical skills.

    And this entire thread: nothing like the old right-wing sense of humour oxymoron to spotlight the classic contradictions at the heart of Toryism. (Heeeee what a laugh – respected woman dies tragically due to heartless corporate cutting power and now the lakes are getting dry – such an obvious connection! Hilarious or what??? And such clever artwork!
    Hey – polls in Nats’ favour – I know! I know! – piccy of National leaders in a big wave crashing over Labour leaders! Brilliant! Laugh – I almost died!)

    Sorry Lew – I’m sure he’s a lovely man ‘n all, but even dad4garbage’ll be squirming at this dross.

    Here’s an interesting poser for your analytical antenna but: is it the innate lack of compassion and humanity in your classic tory that leads to his inability to appreciate the delicious subtleties of humour – or is it his essential humourless pessimism that generates the cold-hearted disregard for his fellows?

  68. Respected woman????, from what i heard she didnt follow much of what her doctors told her? and her family intead of running to the neighbors, they just grabbed a guitar and started singing.

    They were factors in her death.

  69. And then there was that cheap ripoff of Hokusai’s wave.

    Not only do the right have no sense of taste but they also lack artistic sense.

  70. Dean 70

    “Explain to me how that’s a bad thing? You’re complaining that some fraction of your power bill is paid, through the SOE’s, to the govt? You’d rather it went to a private entity so you never saw it again?”

    T-Rex, at first you questioned how much was owned by the government, and now you say you knew how much but you want to make excuses for it anyway?

    Maybe you shoudl donate 150 odd dollars to the next south auckland family who can’t afford to pay their power bill after over 10 phone calls and letters. Brendan couldn’t, so perhaps you could be the person to show him how the SOE model works so well.

    “You’d rather it went to a private entity so you never saw it again?”

    Heaven forbid any kind of profits went to a private entity! The sky might fall.

  71. Tane 71

    Lew, he might be your mate but he’s crossed the line on this one.

    To back up SP, it was also clearly labelled as a ‘Kiwiblog Cartoon’. Note Farrar’s comment on today’s effort:

    At this point in time I’ll remind Gerry that as a good editor, I don’t censor our cartoonist! 🙂

    He’s pretty clearly being branded the Kiwiblog house cartoonist, whether he likes it or not.

  72. Swampy 72

    “if you cannot see the correlation between the govt strip mining profits from the SOE power companies and them tub thumping about their heartless attitude whilst overseeing another power crisis I give up on you lot.”

    Thanks, Barns. What seems to be conveniently overlooked again and again is that Labour passes the buck on social responsibility when it comes to the electricity SOEs and some of the others that they can suck billions out of. TVNZ is being turned from a profitable business into a cash sink in the name of better programming (means nothing to me – I don’t watch TV) yet the most contentious for the average householder is their electricity bill and the activities of SOEs like Solid Energy which mines dirty coal in ecologically fragile areas.

    The billions sucked out of the electricity SOEs in special dividends to pay for election promises (Meridian alone supplied $800 million for a roading package in 1995, and about $200 million just this year to help the government buy back Toll Rail) certainly hasn’t gone into improving the electricity supply which should be a much higher priority. This money is over and above the regular dividend of something like $300 million a year. I think Labour should stick to taking the normal dividend and leave the special amounts in the companies as they are just coming out of electricity consumer’s pockets to pay for election bribes.

  73. Swampy 73

    “SOE’s act like companies. The only difference is that the profits go to the govt, not to shareholders.

    Explain to me how that’s a bad thing? You’re complaining that some fraction of your power bill is paid, through the SOE’s, to the govt? You’d rather it went to a private entity so you never saw it again?”

    What matters is that we are in an electricity crisis and the amount of new generation capacity being built hasn’t kept up with demand over the past decade. The result has been a series of electricity crises.

    Now, I’m a customer of Meridian Energy and I know, it’s a fact, that my power prices keep rising. Supposedly this is to pay for new generation. But now I find that Labour has taken over a billion dollars of capital out of Meridian as a special dividend (also called a capital repatriation). That capital will now have to be found from somewhere else when it is needed in the future. As the government is the sole shareholder, the other forms are either directly in consumer prices, or indirectly by borrowing (the costs of which are then recovered in consumer prices). So we can expect to be paying higher power prices still, just to fund election year spending promises.

    I also know that if these companies were privately owned they would be far more regulated than they are in government ownership. Are SOEs subject to the Commerce Commission? I’d guess not because the ComCom tends to have a thing about monopolies except for State owned ones which seem to escape their scrutiny.

    To answer your point, there is an obvious third option and that is putting the money back into the country’s electricity needs.

  74. I think the point has been missed from my earlier comments.
    At no stage did I suggest that the soe power companies should be sold, that is something I am personally against.
    But the monopoly/ duopoly profits that Cullen has ripped from these companies is shameful. He of course has had no choice, the almost doubling of govt spending in the last nine years has needed to be funded from somewhere. In fact Cullen would probably make an outstanding senior manager in a large monopoly private company. His ability to suck every last available cent from his many revenue sources is outstanding. His ability to spend that money is unfortunately for all of us terrible.
    The crisis that the individual and the country is now facing has been made a lot worse than it needed to be by the unconstrained spending.

  75. T-rex 75

    Dave/Swampy.

    Man.

    It’s a competitive market. You aren’t compelled to buy your electricity from Meridian. You can just as easily buy it from Contact – a private company who isn’t giving any money to the govt. Why don’t you, since they’re so much cheaper? Oh wait. They’re not. They’re the same price in fact. So clearly Meridians prices are not, in fact, the result of the govt telling them to hike prices.

    Have you seen what’s happened to Contact’s share price over the last few years?

    Swampy – It’s not a monopoly, there are 5 major competing companies! And it IS regulated, the Electricity Commission persistently looks for an acts upon what it calls “undesirable trading scenarios”.

    Dean – I don’t think YOU even know what your point is. Except maybe that you think power costs too much… in which case by all means, start a power company.

    Jesus.

    bill – Meridian paid dividends to the govt because that’s it’s JOB. It’s an SOE. That’s what SOE’s do. It’s also mandated to run its business in a sustainable manner. Just like any other company.

  76. sustainable obviously does not include making sure little old ladies are NOT sitting in the dark eating their pet food cold, because buying a train set is more important than reinvesting in extra generation.

  77. T-rex 77

    What matters is that we are in an electricity crisis and the amount of new generation capacity being built hasn’t kept up with demand over the past decade. The result has been a series of electricity crises.

    We are not in an electricity crisis. We’re in a DRY YEAR. This is what happens now and again when you are largely dependent on hydro power. Now I know you’re about to say that the irresponsible Labour government failed to regulate the industry (that National deregulated) adequately and stifled investment in new generation, so I’ve made a list for you of new generation that has come online since Labour came to power in late 99.

    2000 – Otahuhu B – 380MW
    2000 – Mokai – geothermal – 96MW
    2002 – Manapouri upgrade – 125MW
    2004 – Huntly Gas Turbine – 50MW
    2004 – Hai Nui Windfarm Stage 2 – 4.8MW
    2004 – Mangahao hydro – 4MW
    2004 – Te Apiti Wind – 72MW
    2005 – Wairakei Geothermal – 16MW
    2007 – White Hill Wind – 58MW
    2007 – Huntly e3p gas/steam turbine – 385MW

    A few I’ve missed, no doubt, but those are the major ones.

    So, in that time, a total of 1.2GW of new capacity has gone in… and looks like the strong majority of it is actually baseload thermal generation! So Labours approach over the last 8 years to a semiregulated electricity market has improved our energy security AND positioned us to move to a renewable future… as evidenced by the huge renewable generation projects that Meridian and Contact are both planning at present.

    So you’re wrong. I eagerly await your retraction.

  78. T-rex 78

    Barnsley – How many little old ladies do you know sitting in the dark eating cold pet food? If you know any, it is not because there is no power, because there is. It is probably because they can’t afford to heat their homes, which would be because the social wage that you and your ilk so ferociously oppose increasing is not sufficient.

    It’s got absolutely nothing to do with power generation.

    You retard.

  79. back at ya on the tard comment. Your social wage concept would have needed to increase by more than 70 % in the last five years to keep pace with duopoly power prices.
    Generation and prices are linked, that would be supply and demand!

  80. T-rex 80

    1) It’s not a duopoly. You can tell see, because there are more than two participants.

    2) Yes, because as we all know, power prices are the sole expense faced by beneficiaries.

    3) Yes, they are. Good job on that. Well spotted. Sharp as a tack you are. So do you think National made a mistake by deregulating the industry? I don’t actually, I think the semiregulated model is going great, but hey, all I’ve got to prove my case is the absense of a power crisis and continued investment in power generation along with a feasible roadmap to a renewable energy future. While YOU’VE got an imaginary old lady eating catfood. The advantage clearly lies with you. I assume she’s eating catfood because of the price of power too?

  81. Contact, the SOE grouping and who? The todds in the king country or the tauranga group that is owned mostly by Infratil.
    Tell me smartarse how much genearating capacity is owned outside of Contact and Mikeys cash cows??
    Central planning and ownership for transmission AND GENERATION could have been retained with professional management. Unfortunately we have fragmented the lot but kept the civil service scum running it. The clowns at the top of the soe’s are pretty much the same ones that drew a govt paycheck before split up. The worst of both worlds.

    This is starting to creep me out by the way, I think we might both be arguing the others corner…!

  82. T-rex 82

    The SOE grouping of Genesis, Meridian, and Mighty River you mean? Who are all charged with maximising their own profit and are in competition?

    Or are you saying there’s a conspiracy now?

    Sorry?!? The CLOWNS at the top?

    Keith Turner was been Meridian CEO since it’s inception and he’s got a PhD in Engineering, I think clown is a long way off the mark.

    I don’t know the rest of them personally, but I don’t understand why you think the business model (and yeah, we are both kinda taking the others corner here – I’m playing the EC semiregulation card to support my ideology though!) has failed so completely?

    The power hasn’t gone out, so we clearly haven’t actually run out. If new generation was worth so much, someone would build more of it. As it is, they’re adding new generation at a rate to keep prices sufficient to pay off the cost of capital. What on earth else would they possibly want to do???

  83. Matthew Pilott 83

    t-rex – you missed Whirinaki, 2004, 150MW! How could ya? heh maybe you have a mental block related to anything Brownlee says…

    What I gather is that our present generation capacity is on the order of 6,450MW or so. Needs to grow at 150 MW a year, and there’s a good 2,000MW in various pipelines – there are many that won’t happen, but enough that will.

    Anyone reckon Centrebet could do well from taking punts on the RMA? I’d put fifty down on the Port Waikato wind farm.

    I think that half of that 2,000 MW is wind, and that the latest theory is that wind and hydro are good partners for the supply side – but there will be the odd calm/dry year I guess!

  84. T-rex 84

    Isn’t Whirinaki govt owned?

    I was only including stuff that came through market actions.

    But you’re right, whikinaki represents great forethought on the part of the EC. So I’m even more justified in my views! Cheers 🙂

    I’d put $1k on port waikato, and another $1k on Hayes.

    I’d also probably quietly bet a few bucks on meridian’s project aqua not being dead yet.

  85. Matthew Pilott 86

    Ah sorry didn’t realise they were non-government-owned, your list. Yep sure was the Glorious Labour Government that had the foresight to build such a power plant. Maybe they should have gone with gas though…

    I did love Big Jer going rampant about a peaking plant…peaking.

  86. Hoolian 87

    And I have every right to think that the catholic church have a mentality fresh from the dark ages in many regards…Gotta love that freedom!

    Good, then you must also support the freedom for Kiwiblog to post whatever cartoon/idea/expression they wish. If you don’t like it, protest it or boycott the blog but don’t bother getting on your soapbox and proclaiming that it should be removed just because you disagree with it.

    Its not an obscene image – I’m sure the Office of the Censor wouldn’t even look at it.

    I find 60 per cent of your blog grotesquely offensive – so therefore should it be banned?

    If you support freedom of expression, then you must support ALL freedoms of expression and not just the ones that follow your line of thought.

  87. Hoolian. No-one’s saying it ought to be banned. People are saying that if Farrar had any judgement and was a good person he would not post such material. that’s freedom of expression in action.

  88. T-rex 89

    Good, then you must also support the freedom for Kiwiblog to post whatever cartoon/idea/expression they wish

    I absolutely do. It’s handy to have such a simple and fast way of identifying morons.

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    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    2 weeks ago
  • Guardian: Poll shows DISASTER for Corbyn and the End of Times
    The Guardian - ever eager to forewarn of doom and disaster on the left - are leading with a new poll from Opinium, which puts the Conservatives 15% clear of Labour.Con 38% +2Lab 23% -1Lib Dem 15% -5Brexit 12% +1Green 4% +2This isn't good news, and it would be very ...
    2 weeks ago
  • How prostitution became the world’s most modern profession
    Being and Being Bought (Spinifex Press, 2013) by Kajsa Ekis Ekman  A synopsis and commentary of Chapters 1-2 by Daphna Whitmore Ekman, a Swedish journalist and critic, brings together a Marxist and feminist analysis of prostitution and surrogacy in this groundbreaking book She opens the discussion with a definition of ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Clever legal fellow on Scottish challenge to Brexit
    I make no claims to having much legal knowledge,  so I defer to those trained in this area.I am very much enjoying this twitter stream from m'learned friend in Edinburgh, deciphering the legal arguments around the Scottish court challenge to Boris Johnson, based on the charmingly obscure principle of Nobile ...
    2 weeks ago
  • An Open Letter From Closed Minds.
    Ivory Folly? The University of Auckland’s Vice-Chancellor, Professor Stuart McCutcheon, upheld the right of the radical nationalist group, Action Zealandia to exercise their freedom of speech – not matter how distasteful that speech might be. A wiser community of students and scholars would have nodded their agreement and moved on. ...
    2 weeks ago

  • Police trial new response to high risk events
    Police Minister Stuart Nash says the safety of frontline officers and members of the public will be the focus of a new trial of specialist Police response teams in three of our largest urban centres. Police have this morning released details of an initiative to be trialled in Counties Manukau, ...
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  • New awards celebrate fisheries sustainability
    The Minister of Fisheries is calling for entries for a new public award to celebrate innovation in our seafood sector. “I have established the Seafood Sustainability Awards to recognise and celebrate those throughout industry, tangata whenua and communities who demonstrate outstanding dedication and innovation towards the sustainability of New Zealand’s ...
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    2 hours ago
  • More progress for women and we can do more
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter welcomes leaders in the private sector taking action on closing their gender pay gaps to ensure a fairer workplace for all New Zealanders. Ms Genter today launched a new report, Addressing the gender pay gap and driving women’s representation in senior leadership, from the Champions for ...
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    6 hours ago
  • Proposals to curb environmental damage help our coasts and the oceans
    Government Ministers today welcomed the release of a marine environment report highlighting the four key issues affecting our oceans, estuaries and coastlines.  The release underlines the importance of government proposals to combat climate pollution, ensure clean freshwater, protect biodiversity, make land use more sustainable, and reduce waste and plastic.    Environment ...
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    17 hours ago
  • New mental health facility for Waikato
    The Government has approved funding for a new acute mental health facility for Waikato which will provide better care and support to people with mental health and addiction issues. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Dr David Clark announced the $100 million project to replace the aging Henry Rongomau ...
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    22 hours ago
  • 500 new te reo Māori champions in our classrooms
    The Government is making progress on its goal to integrate te reo Māori into education by 2025, with over 500 teachers and support staff already graduating from Te Ahu o te Reo Māori,  Associate Education Minister Kelvin Davis announced today. Kelvin Davis made the announcement at an awards ceremony in Waikanae today, for ...
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    23 hours ago
  • Minister James Shaw welcomes 2018 Census first release
    Statistics Minister James Shaw has welcomed the first release of 2018 Census data. The first release of data today, 23 September, includes key data on population, regional growth, the number of homes and the size of different ethnic groups in New Zealand. Data from the 2018 Census will support the ...
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    24 hours ago
  • Driving transparency, ethics and accountability in government use of algorithms
    Minister for Statistics James Shaw today announced a public consultation on a proposed algorithm charter for government agencies. The charter has been developed by the Government Chief Data Steward in response to growing calls for more transparency in government use of data. Computer algorithms – procedures or formulas for solving ...
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    24 hours ago
  • New Zealand and the Netherlands working together on climate change
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor, Climate Change Minister James Shaw and visiting Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte co-hosted a business roundtable in Auckland this morning focused on working together to address climate change.  “The Netherlands is an important partner for New Zealand. We share a strong agricultural history. Sustainable agribusiness and ...
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    24 hours ago
  • Protecting fairness for workers and businesses
    The Government is taking action to build an inclusive economy where more of us receive our fair share at work and businesses can compete on great products and services, not undercutting wages and conditions, Immigration and Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says. Two consultations launched today seek feedback ...
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    1 day ago
  • Indigenous Freshwater Fish Bill Passes
    The future for New Zealand’s threatened indigenous freshwater fish looks brighter with the passing of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill in Parliament today said Minister of Conservation, Eugenie Sage. “Until now, our freshwater fish legislation has been 20 years out of date. We have lacked effective tools to ...
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    2 days ago
  • Kiwis to take part in world’s biggest earthquake drill
    At 1.30pm tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of Kiwis will join about 65 million people around the globe in ShakeOut, the world’s biggest earthquake drill. The annual drill is to remind people of the right action to take during an earthquake which is to Drop, Cover, Hold, and to practise their ...
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    2 days ago
  • Rising wages and low inflation supporting Kiwis
    Kiwis are benefiting from higher wage growth and low inflation under the Coalition Government. Stats NZ data out today shows the rise in the cost of living remains low, as annual Consumers Price Index (CPI) inflation fell to 1.5% in September from 1.7% in June. “The low inflation comes as ...
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    2 days ago
  • NZ economy strong amid global headwinds
    New Zealand’s economic strength and resilience has been recognised in a major update on the state of the global economy. The IMF’s latest World Economic Outlook released overnight shows a reduced global growth forecast over the next two years as issues like the US-China trade war and Brexit take hold. ...
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    2 days ago
  • Keeping New Zealanders safer with better counter-terrorism laws
    Justice Minister Andrew Little has today introduced a new Bill to prevent terrorism and support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill gives the New Zealand Police the ability to apply to the High Court to impose control orders on New Zealanders who ...
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    2 days ago
  • Improved succession and dispute resolution core of Ture Whenua changes
    A Bill that proposes targeted changes to simplify the processes for Māori land owners when engaging with the Māori Land Court has had its First Reading today. “The approach taken by the Government is to ensure that the protection of Māori land remains a priority as we seek to improve ...
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    2 days ago
  • Speech to CTU Biennial Conference
    Let me first thank all the new unionists and members in the room. There is nothing more important to improving people’s working lives than people making the decision to care, to get on board and help, to take up the reins and get involved. Congratulations to you. You bring the ...
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    2 days ago
  • Minister ensures continued Whenuapai flight operations
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark has signed a certificate exempting the activity of engine testing at Whenuapai Airbase from the Resource Management Act 1991. The Act gives the Minister of Defence the power to exempt activities for the purposes of national security.  The certificate will mean the recent Environment Court ...
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    2 days ago
  • NZ joins Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced New Zealand will join the Coalition of Finance Ministers for Climate Action while attending APEC meetings in Chile. The objective of the 39 member Coalition is to share information and promote action to tackle climate change. It was formed in April this year, in ...
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    2 days ago
  • CTU speech – DPM
    Ladies and gentlemen, NZCTU President Richard Wagstaff, members of respective unions – thank you for the invitation to speak to you today. This might be preaching to the choir, but the importance of trade unions in New Zealand’s historical arch is difficult to understate. And it is my belief that ...
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    3 days ago
  • Police Association Annual Conference
    "Let’s start by acknowledging that it has been a huge year. " Police Association Annual Conference James Cook Grand Chancellor Hotel Wellington Nau mai, haere mai. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, ka nui te mihi, ki a koutou katoa. President of the Police Association, Chris Cahill; Members of the Association and ...
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    3 days ago
  • New Zealand announces a further P-3 deployment in support of UN sanctions
    Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark have announced the New Zealand Government’s decision to again deploy a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea. New ...
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    3 days ago
  • New Zealand deeply concerned at developments in north-east Syria
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says New Zealand continues to have serious concerns for peace and stability in north-east Syria. “Recent reports that hundreds of ISIS-affiliated families have fled from a camp are deeply concerning from a humanitarian and security perspective”, Mr Peters says. “While we acknowledge Turkey’s domestic security ...
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    3 days ago
  • Government on high alert for stink bugs
    Biosecurity Minister Damien O’Connor is warning travelling Kiwis to be vigilant as the high-season for the crop-eating brown marmorated stink bug (BMSB) is under way. “We’re on high alert to stop BMSB arriving in NZ. The high season runs until April 30 and we’ve strengthened our measures to stop stink ...
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    3 days ago
  • Better protections for students in halls of residence
    The Government is moving swiftly to change the law to improve the welfare and pastoral care of students living in university halls of residence and other tertiary hostels. Cabinet has agreed to several changes, including creating a new mandatory Code of Practice that sets out the duty of pastoral care ...
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    4 days ago
  • New trapping guide for community and expert trappers alike
    The Minister for Conservation Eugenie Sage has launched a new comprehensive trapping guide for community trappers to help them protect our native birds, plants and other wildlife, at Zealandia in Wellington today. ‘A practical guide to trapping’, has been developed by the Department of Conservation (DOC), and was launched during ...
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    4 days ago
  • Widening Access to Contraceptives Welcomed
    Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter welcomes PHARMAC’s move to improve access to long-acting reversible contraception (LARCs). PHARMAC has today announced it will fund the full cost of Mirena and Jaydess for anyone seeking long term contraception, lifting previous restrictions on access to Mirena. “I welcome women having greater choices ...
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    4 days ago
  • Major upgrade for Taranaki Base Hospital
    The Government has approved the next stage of a major redevelopment of Taranaki Base Hospital, which will deliver new and improved facilities for patients. Health Minister Dr David Clark has announced details of a $300 million dollar project to build a new East Wing at the New Plymouth hospital. It ...
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    5 days ago
  • Extra support for rural families
    Extra funding will allow Rural Support Trusts to help farming families, says Minister for Rural Communities and Agriculture Damien O’Connor. “I know that rural families are worried about some of the challenges facing them, including the ongoing uncertainty created by the Mycoplasma bovis outbreak. “Those concerns sit alongside ongoing worries ...
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    6 days ago
  • Howard Leaque Beekeeper programme graduation
    Thank you for the opportunity to be here to present certificates to the 16 graduates who have completed a beekeeping course delivered by the Howard League.  Let us start by acknowledging Auckland Prison’s Deputy Prison Director Tom Sherlock, and Acting Assistant Regional Commissioner of Corrections Northern Region Scott Walker - ...
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    7 days ago
  • Finance Minister to attend APEC meetings
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson leaves this weekend to attend the APEC Finance Ministers meeting in Santiago, Chile. Discussions between APEC Finance Ministers at the meeting will include the effects of the current global economic uncertainty, risks for APEC economies and sustainable development of the region. While at APEC Grant Robertson ...
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    7 days ago
  • Pacific languages are a source of strength, they ground us and build confidence
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio says for Pacific people, language can be a source of strength. It can help ground us and give us confidence. When we speak them, our languages provide us with an immediate and intimate access to our identity and our story - and ...
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    7 days ago
  • Major boost to support disabled people in sport and recreation
    The Coalition Government has announced an action plan to improve the wellbeing of disabled New Zealanders by addressing inequalities in play, active recreation and sport. The initiative includes training to develop a workforce that understands the needs of children and young people with a range of impairments, advocacy for fit ...
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    7 days ago
  • More prefab homes to be built as red tape cut
    The construction sector is being freed up to allow more homes to be built more quickly as the Government cuts through some of the red tape of the Building Act.  “Every New Zealander deserves a warm, dry, safe home and old inefficiencies in the Building Act make building slow and ...
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    7 days ago
  • Further details of Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall visit to New Zealand
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has welcomed further details on the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall’s visit to New Zealand next month. Their Royal Highnesses will visit New Zealand from 17-23 November – their third joint visit to New Zealand and first in four years. They arrive in Auckland ...
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    1 week ago
  • O’Connor in Thailand to push for RCEP deal
    Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth and Minister of Agriculture, Damien O’Connor, heads to Thailand today to attend the final Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) Ministerial meeting, as negotiations enter their final stages. “The RCEP Agreement would anchor New Zealand in a regional agreement that covers 16 countries, ...
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    1 week ago
  • Young Pacific people can access earning and learning opportunities in Hawke’s Bay, Otago and South...
    Pacific young people living in the Hawke’s Bay, Southland and Otago regions will have access to support services that have proved successful in helping young people find new earning and learning opportunities. “Tupu Aotearoa is about changing Pacific young peoples’ lives. Our young people are talented, they are smart, they ...
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    1 week ago
  • Protecting wellbeing – ACC HQSC Trauma Forum
    Introduction As the Minister for ACC I thank you all for the work that you do supporting New Zealanders in their literally most vulnerable moments. From those who hold people’s lives in their hands, to the people who research technique, technology and trends, your work is highly valued. A special ...
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    1 week ago
  • NZ economy in good shape – notes prepared for speeches in Christchurch
    Notes prepared for speeches in Christchurch – Wednesday 9 October 2019 Today’s topic, “trends and opportunities for the New Zealand economy,” is certainly one getting a great deal of commentary at the moment. Looking across the media landscape lately you’ll notice we aren’t the only ones having this discussion. There ...
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    1 week ago
  • World Mental Health Day a reminder of the importance of mental health work
    Minister of Health Dr David Clark and Associate Minister of Health Peeni Henare say this year’s World Mental Health Day theme is a reminder of why the Government’s work on mental health is so important. “This year the World Federation for Mental Health has made suicide prevention the main theme ...
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    1 week ago