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Naomi Klein correctly calls Tony Abbott a Climate Villain

Written By: - Date published: 8:30 am, September 6th, 2015 - 71 comments
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Tony Abbott is a special breed of politician.  His climate change denying tendencies are well known.  He hates windmills and without a sense of irony is deeply worried about their potential environmental effect while being totally oblivious to the damage that coal is causing to the world’s environment.  Such is the level of his hatred he has plans to establish a Windfarm Commissioner to handle complaints he is sure that will occur about these evil structures.  As long as you do not walk into them I have found windmills perfectly safe and their contribution to a sustainable future cannot be denied.

And Abbott loves coal and thinks it is good for humanity. Rupert Murdoch has a lot to answer for.  A very talented satirist would find it hard to further satirise how insane Abbott’s world view is.

Naomi Klein recently visited Australia and despaired at what Abbott’s government is doing to Australian climate change policies and to the world.

From the Fifth Estate:

Naomi Klein controversially called Tony Abbott a “climate villain” before arriving in Australia to promote her latest book, This Changes Everything.

Now she’s arrived on our shores she hasn’t backed down, and she’s not mincing words.

“One of the things I think is important about Pope Francis’s intervention in the climate debate is it reminds us that climate change is a moral crisis, that there are huge numbers of lives at stake,” Klein told media gathered at Sydney Opera House ahead of Saturday’s talk at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas.

“He calls destabilising the planet’s life support system a sin. That’s not language I use. I call it a crime. But too often we use this bloodless language, this very bureaucratic language that glosses over the huge moral crisis that we are in the midst of. So I stand by saying that these are villainous acts; they are I believe criminal acts.”

Klein is visiting Australia to promote her book This Changes Everything and to discuss its basic theme, that there is a direct conflict between what our planet needs in order to be hospitable and what our current economic system needs which is short term growth and profits above all else.

“Talking about that in Tony Abbott’s Australia seemed to make a good amount of sense, because this is a government that shows – perhaps more than any other government on Earth – what that conflict looks like and what the costs of that conflict actually are.”

Klein said market fundamentalism waged war on the taxing and regulating of corporations, but that we had to tax those who had the most in order to pay for the transition to a low carbon economy, including moves to mass transit and renewables.

“What we see in Australia is the exact opposite,” she said.

“Despite the fact that there’s a global boom right now in renewable energy, your government has overseen a precipitous decline in investment in renewable energy.”

Klein said she owed Mr Abbott a debt of thanks, because he was her book’s best marketer in Australia.

“He’s proving the thesis every day, every time he tells Australians that they need to choose between the economy and climate action. That is a lie. We can have a much stronger, fairer, more stable economic system and still act on climate change.

“It’s just that we do have to change the kind of economy that we have. We can create many more well-paying jobs if we invest in renewables, energy efficiency, public transit. The latest studies show we’d create six to eight times more jobs in those sectors than if we invested the same amount of money in the extractive sectors.”

The problem is that in countries like Australia, it is extractive jobs that are commonly the only ones put on the table.

“When we look at a country like Germany that is taking this transition seriously, what we see is that it is a huge job creator.”

“They have created 400,000 jobs in this transition. They’ve also deepened their democracy because they’ve taken back control over their energy grids in hundreds of cities and towns.

“We can have a better economy than we have now if we take climate change seriously.”

Canadian leader Stephen Harper is also criticised.

“Stephen Harper has acted as this sort of malevolent older brother offering tips on how to vilify indigenous people and grassroots activists and people who dare to use their country’s laws to defend their land as some sort of security threat, and how to market planet destabilising carbon as something ethical and good for humanity.”

She said she hoped Abbott was still taking notes, because the Conservative Party was in dire straits.

In Canada, Alberta, which has had 44 years of conservative rules, the left-wing NDP party was voted in in May because Albertans were “sick of the boom-bust rollercoaster”.

“And now we have a federal election coming up in October. Stephen Harper is not doing well in the polls, so I hope that Tony Abbott is still taking notes from Canada,” Klein said.

Her conclusion struck an optimistic note.

…Klein finished by saying she recognised that while the political situation was less than ideal, Australia was full of “climate heroes”, with one of the most powerful indigenous rights movements in the world, and vibrant and innovative campaigns.

“The world is watching and cheering every victory.”

71 comments on “Naomi Klein correctly calls Tony Abbott a Climate Villain”

  1. tc 1

    Abbott is fronting the worst oz govt in living memory, he’s hamstrung by his lack of popularity both in and outside parliament and it’s all his own doing.

    Public broadcasting, human rights, privacy etc are all under attack by an array of underperforming ministers, some even Howard deemed not fit to hold office like brandis, Morrison etc.

    Abbott attacks with Wupperts media outlets assistance are becoming more unhinged as time passes, his recent attacks on Gillian Triggs being a good example.

    His position on wind farms and coal just illustrates what a knuckle dragger he is and the liberals would’ve dumped him by now if labor had someone electable leading them.

    He’s still PM because Murdoch says so and Malcolm is waiting patiently and there’s no panic whilst shorten leads labor so expect more of this from this righteous twat.

  2. Naomi Klein just had a child, she is now part of the problem. Her opinion doesn’t count anymore.

    • weka 2.1

      You’re still alive and using a computer, so neither does yours.

      • Robert Atack 2.1.1

        I didn’t ask to be born, I haven’t contributed to the problem, curse my mother if you need to blame anyone (i do)

        • weka 2.1.1.1

          How disappointing, that’s such a cop out on the ideological front. When it comes down to it, you are just like everyone else, right? “I havven’t contributed to the problem” Really? I don’t believe you.

          Because you could kill yourself Robert, if you really believe that a human being on the planet is inherently a net contributor to cc (I assume you are advocating that women who get pregnant unintentionally have an abortion whether they want to or not). Or, less drastically, you could stop using your computer and the internet, and all the other modern day lifestyle things you still use despite their contribution to climate change.

          There are a great many things we can to do limit the impact of climate change on the planet, and I believe that limiting population is one of them. But blaming women who have kids is hypocritical, illogical and ultimately unhelpful in trying to effect the social change we desperately need.

          • Robert Atack 2.1.1.1.1

            Listen to what I am saying FFS.
            The future is fucked for human habitat, the CHILDREN are going to suffer, the only way a child is going to avoid this future is to not be here, ie that little refugee poster child isn’t suffering is he?
            It wouldn’t matter if I did what you want me to do (just be patient, I’m sure as hell am not going to hang around), even if the planet was full of 7.2 billion Weka’s we would still be going extinct.
            Even if all the Weka’s left the planet tonight, @ 400+ ppm CO2 human habitat is guaranteed to disappear .
            I would rather take the precautionary principle than rely on politicians and uninformed people.

            • weka 2.1.1.1.1.1

              I do understand your position Robert. I just disagree that Klein risking the suffering of her child renders everything she then says and does re cc irrelevant or invalid.

              You don’t know that we are past the point of no return re extinction, it’s an assertion that you can’t back up. So when I respond to you, that’s always the context. My own belief is that we can still do things to lessen the impact (even if we are heading for extinction).

              I also don’t think you get to determine the value of someone else’s suffering. Maybe Klein’s child is the one that saves a whole lot of other people. You are basically talking philosophy, and that’s always going to be debatable.

          • b waghorn 2.1.1.1.2

            I don’t think suggesting suicide to someone with clear issues is appropriate here or anywhere !

            • marty mars 2.1.1.1.2.1

              yep – it is taking it too far imo

            • Robert Atack 2.1.1.1.2.2

              I kind of thought so to, I think Weka. knows I can handle it, but it is a shame I will not be able to read the obituaries to see how Weka and its family is going.

              • weka

                I don’t have a family, but if I did I certainly wouldn’t be suggesting they kill themselves any more than I was suggesting you do.

                I do think it’s likely we will get to a point where people choose to leave for all sorts of reasons related to CC. I’m not sure we are ready to talk about that yet though.

            • weka 2.1.1.1.2.3

              I’m not suggesting Robert kills himself. I’m pointing out that in the extremity of his general position on CC (which I know reasonably well), he is a hypocrite for condemning Klein while still keeping himself alive or using his computer etc. The solution to that hypocrisy isn’t to kill himself, it’s to have compassion for others, and to smarten up his critical thinking.

              We’re all hypocrites when it comes to CC. We shouldn’t be damned for that.

              • M8 I burn plastic regularly, if it doesn’t go out in the free ‘recycle’ collection it gets burnt, I’m way past caring what my actions do for the environment, my job is turning nature into firewood (builder) I don’t tell my clients how dumb it is to have children, I mean I get to build bedrooms for the little buggers, so that’s all good by me)
                I’m just pointing out to people who think they can change things how pointless it all is …. you know, getting all the “I told you so’s” on the record.
                I’m not saying do this or do that ie don’t use a computer, or breath. I’m saying it doesn’t matter what you do.
                Having 10 or no children will change nothing for you or the environment, all I’m saying is the only way to reduce future suffering is if there are less people to suffer.
                If every human left the planet tonight, it would still go to crap.
                When some clown starts talking about reducing CO2 etc , they are just showing they have been sucking the hopium pipe, or their salary is dependent on maintain the lie – see most scientists tied to university’s or Govt jobs. Even watering down the message got Jim Salinger the sack,
                Jason Box (google him) said about 18 months ago “We are fucked” – he only just manged to keep his job, he wants to buy some land on Greenland, when it becomes available )
                I’ve built a 60m2 glass house, and ‘created’ another 100m2 garden about 12 years ago, on our 3 hectare property, but after working out most of my neighbors would be knocking on the door demanding food, I’ve let the whole garden go to weeds, what is the point? If I don’t have anything I will not be a target.
                Good luck with your denial.

                • weka

                  Thanks Robert, that’s the best demonstration so far that you are indeed a serious part of the problem along with the CC deniers and promoters. There are so many ways in which having a garden has a point, but if you, given all your attention to this matter, haven’t figured it out there’s probably not much I can say that is useful.

                  The more I see of your view, the more it just looks like self-absorption. You don’t seem to care about the planetary ecology, it’s all about how you personally feel about human suffering, which you then project into your politics. Nothing wrong with that except the dishonesty and the fact that it places you as part of the problem.

                  As I will keep mentioning, you don’t know it’s too late, you’re taking that one on faith.

                  btw, I’m not denying what you say about the realities of CC itself (as opposed to the consequences for humans). It’s possible that what you say is true. We just don’t know yet, and everything else flows from that.

                • Robert, I think you are a sentimentalist – reducing people’s future suffering is a nice ideal – guess what mate – we all die – dying is in some ways the easy bit because it will happen. Dying isn’t the key, how we live is what makes us who and what we are.

                  Plus I cannot think of a worse job for someone with your stated views than the one you have – irony bummer that one.

                  • Corokia

                    Nothing very sentimental about …
                    “I said we needed to ban all immigration and place a machine gun @ every 100 meters around NZ,”

                    Naomi Klein correctly calls Tony Abbott a Climate Villain

                    Every climate change discussion, in comes Robert with his ‘nothing can be done, give up now and don’t have kids because it’s too cruel to bring them into this world’. I can’t reconcile the supposed concern for future children with the idea of placing machine guns on our shores to keep our fellow humans out.

                    • weka

                      it seems similar to militant vegans to me. It’s ok to harm humans to prevent the suffering of animals. Never made sense to me.

                    • Robert is bluster and bullshit imo. Personally I don’t give a fuck what he says but then I’ve got a 7 month old and 8 year old so I’ll be working hard to prepare them for life whatever it brings.

                      btw it wasn’t a compliment – ” sentimentalist: a tendency to have or express feelings of love, sadness, etc., especially in a way that seems foolish or excessive : a sentimental quality”

    • Pat 2.2

      we may as well set up the militias now

    • Paul 2.3

      That seems quite a churlish comment.

    • lol – won’t be many commenting under your rules robert – luckily, as weka noted, your input is irrelevant at best.

    • Corokia 2.5

      This is the same shit the climate deniers throw at anyone who speaks out- according to them (and Robert Atack) you must somehow exit society before you are allowed to speak out.

      According to Robert, the human race must stop breeding now because nothing can be done and we are all going to die soon. So if the outcome is already known Robert, why does it bother you that people listen to Naomi?

      • Robert Atack 2.5.1

        Because Crokia, her idiot comments give fools hope, and pop out comes another victim. It is not my fault this rock has become human unfriendly.
        I’m just sooooooo happy I don’t have to watch my children suffer.

        • Corokia 2.5.1.1

          You seem pretty “human unfriendly” and you sure as hell don’t come across as happy about anything, unless sharing a message of impending doom does it for you.

  3. dukeofurl 3

    Interesting that Jeremy Corbyn’s brother Piers Corbyn is a well know , if off beat weather forecaster in the UK. ( Ken Ring is probably our equivalent)
    As far as AGW goes he is in total contradiction:

    “The piece, and the Global Warmers camp in general, while pretending to be objective skilfully avoid applying sound science and provide no answers to the mounting evidence which refutes the crumbling Global Warmers theory. It puts lipstick on scientific fraud but it remains fraud.”

    His website weatheraction
    http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact48

    • weka 3.1

      what exactly would you like to be discussed here duke?

    • Kelly-Ned 3.2

      A valuable link Duke. I wonder if they could update it with even more recent data?
      Few people are willing to genuinely investigate for themselves the truth behind global climate change. And it does change, the argument is about what causes it.
      Some are saying that NZ will experience an increase in extreme rainfalls over the coming years.
      However the truth is that we always have had a cycle of fairly localised heavy rain falls. A colleague of mine has put together this site which records NZ rain events of the last 150 years.
      The data indicates that the most severe events occurred in the first 50 of the last 150 years. Now what does that suggest?
      But don’t take my word for it. Have a look for yourself.
      http://www.nzextremerainfalls.com/index.html

      • weka 3.2.1

        Are you saying that there is no such thing as AGW?

      • Tricledrown 3.2.2

        Kelly Ned.
        You have data but no control.
        Most Rivers that caused flooding have had flood mitigation work.
        Deforestation has taken place.
        Many other factors to be included.
        Cynicism is not a substitute for science.

  4. Corokia 4

    Naomi Klein at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas is up on you tube.

  5. johnm 5

    Both Naomi and Tony are now irrelevant, they’re being outstaged by a climate which is taking off doing its own thing and nothing we do can stop it! Gaia harmonised the climate but we successfully disabled her! 🙁

    Refer Lovelock’s ” The revenge of Gaia ” Actually Gaia is not taking revenge she’d still harmonise things if she could.

    I believe Lovelock’s insight into Gaia should have won a nobel prize , it’s a whole universe more important to our lives than e=mc squared, yet this critical insight is ignored! probably it’s now too self evident and doesn’t require a PHD to understand it.

    • Corokia 5.1

      “nothing we do can stop it! ”
      So we ignore it, do we? Roll over and die?? Do nothing?

      • weka 5.1.1

        There’s plenty we can do, and for those of us that care about Gaia, doing those things is an imperative.

      • johnm 5.1.2

        Hi Corokia

        Well, yes our best path now maybe to at least cut back on fossil fuel pollution as far as humanly possible though that won’t stop the Planet eventually settling into a new hot equilibrium.
        Adaptation to what’s coming: 1. Limit population to a steady self replacement figure, maybe only one baby per couple max. 2. No more immigration of any sort 3. No more growth that’s finished, a steady state economy, to make that work we must end wealth and the culture of greed and share the wealth and income of this land with all kiwis, all must be housed properly no more greed. 4. prepare a fortress NZ that’s self sufficient and doesn’t rely on exports. 5. Everyone become vegetarian. All this doesn’t guarantee survival on a Planet moving to hot conditions and high sea levels never before experienced by man in his entire history, but its worth a try.
        O yes, stop fing the atmosphere flying here there and everywhere like a bunch of mad lemmings who’ve sprouted wings!!

        • Corokia 5.1.2.1

          “No more immigration of any sort.” FFS! So we just let other Pacific Islanders die in their flooded homelands!

          • johnm 5.1.2.1.1

            Hi Corokia
            Pacific Islanders are ours so we’d make an exception for them 🙂

            I know: First there was one exception, then there were two, then there……

        • Robert Atack 5.1.2.2

          I remember being at a foreshore and seabed meeting when Bill was the opposition leader, Mark Sainsbury asked me what I thought of it all, I said we needed to ban all immigration and place a machine gun @ every 100 meters around NZ, that truth went down like a ton of bricks )

        • Bill 5.1.2.3

          I get kind of sick repeating this, but…population is a sustainability problem and nothing to do with climate change. Climate change is about accumulative emissions.

          • adam 5.1.2.3.1

            Always someone with the Malthusian side track. Over that line of argument – I just wish people would start reading the science journals.

            • weka 5.1.2.3.1.1

              I wish people would spend more time in their garden and adjust their politics accordingly 😉 Finite world, no way around that, no matter what it says in the science journals.

              • adam

                Finite yes, but a few extra mouths will make no difference. The Malthusian side track, has been the dire predictor of the collapse of civilisation for the last 200 years – It really is an idea built on sand.

                Women in control of their own bodies, now that will make a difference. Have Indigenous people stopped being shafted – that will make a difference.

                We need to change the economic system – that is the problem. It’s not all the people who are the problem, but the few who consume to much.

                • weka

                  Women in control of their own bodies, isn’t that about population?

                  The Malthusian issue here isn’t about a few extra mouths, not sure why you have framed it like that. It’s about big jumps in populations that also want lifestyles that are not nor ever going to be carbon neutral.

                  I disagree with johnm’s fortress stance, and I kind of agree with Bill’s point about CC and population in theory, but I still don’t see us feeding and sheltering ourselves and mitigating CC and that’s not from a human perspective, that’s from an ecological one. Yes population is a sustainability problem, but that’s not divorced from CC, not least because there is only so many people that any landbase can sustain before the people need to start using fossil fuels. We’re well past that point globally and shifting to green tech won’t change that fact.

                  • adam

                    We have the ability to grow and feed large populations without fossil fuels.

                    It’s the life style and economics which are the real problem in climate change. It’s consumption.

                    And yes women being in control of their bodies do have a effect on population, but I’m more interested in solving all these problems at once. Because we have no choice.

                    The plutocracy in charge are committed to profit, greed and the pursuit of capitalism at the expense of us, as a species.

                    Now I don’t give a dam about population arguments, nor the earth dying arguments. My argument is way more simple.

                    If people do not over throw the utter corrupt plutocracy who at present govern, and replace it with a more inclusive system – it’s humans who will die. Not the planet, us. The planet will go on, with us being a blip. We as a species need to decide, if we want to live or die.

                    Me I’m on the living side – it’s awesome!

                    • weka

                      “We have the ability to grow and feed large populations without fossil fuels.”

                      What are you basing that on? What’s the upper limit population that NZ could support for food and shelter?

                      “It’s the life style and economics which are the real problem in climate change. It’s consumption.”

                      If we established a base line sustainability (i.e our use of resources doesn’t outstrip their ability to renew), there would still be an upper limit of how many people could live in any given space. In these conversations I don’t see any discussion of that other than that oh we can feed heaps of people. We don’t actually know that.

                      If people do not over throw the utter corrupt plutocracy who at present govern, and replace it with a more inclusive system – it’s humans who will die. Not the planet, us. The planet will go on, with us being a blip. We as a species need to decide, if we want to live or die.

                      This I utterly reject. We are facing mass extinction of multiple species and ecosystems. If the planet is a whole, then we are saying that we will cripple this organism via incredibly suffering and destruction but that’s ok because eventually it will recover, despite the timeframes of recovery being so far outside our own that we can barely conceive of them.

                      Worse, we are part of the planet. What you have just described sets us apart, and it’s that setting apart that got us into this situation in the first place, all the way back the people who told the story of Adam and Eve being kicked out of the garden. Every aspect of human societies that are non-egalitarian have their roots in this separation from nature.

                      I of course agree with the bit about humans needing to replace the organising systems they use, but those systems will continue to be self-defeating and destruction-promoting until they are nature based.

    • Paul 5.2

      I do wonder whether the ‘too late, we’re doomed’ brigade are the new cover used by climate deniers.
      Can you not see that your standpoint suits them?

    • Draco T Bastard 5.3

      Actually Gaia is not taking revenge she’d still harmonise things if she could.

      Nature doesn’t negotiate, doesn’t compromise, and doesn’t take prisoners.

      It’s a lesson we’ve failed to learn so far but are about to get an object lesson in.

  6. Ad 6

    Kelly-Ned good collection of instances there.

    Fig. 196 on the decade by decade bar graph of high rainfall events is particularly instructive.

  7. johnm 7

    Hi Corokia

    If you’re really interested here are some links which should convince you of the seriousness of our situation:

    The Arctic Methane Monster’s Rapid Rise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wqErF9Rct8

    Methane Monster II ~ Demise of the Arctic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L19JBY0kNmo

    Arctic Death Spiral and the Methane Time Bomb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoztduCa1uw

    Dr Natalia Shakhova East Siberian Arctic Shelf – Methane And Climate Change.

    Will Humans Survive the current Sixth Great Extinction? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150623-sixth-extinction-kolbert-animals-conservation-science-world/

  8. Corokia 8

    I’ve been listening to Radio Ecoshock for years, I know the situation is dire, but I refuse to side with those who suggest machine gunning those who seek refuge here. “Fortress NZ”, NO WAY. We are all humans on this planet the climate of which is being changed by the fossil fuel burning of a large group of us, no matter how bad it gets we should not give up on our humanity.

    • + 1 I agree. Fuck Fortress NZ and all who want to sale in her and yes that was deliberate!

    • miravox 8.2

      +1.
      Aside from the humanitarian imperative, there is the notion that we (as a nation) are complicit and profited so we bear the cost alongside everyone else (completely, not just throwing a bit of money it the pot).

  9. It’s pay back time mother fuckers

    • weka 9.1

      Wow, that is nasty. Death cult, fear mongering propaganda promo. Nature hates me? Way to go McPherson (although I have no idea if he endorses that video).

      • Bill 9.1.1

        Heh – “nature hates me” or “being out to get me” kind of excludes me from being a part of nature. Must be a fallen angel afterall then. Who’d have thunk it!? 🙂

        Oh, hang on. Or was that song merely composed by someone exhibiting some degree of psychotic detachment?

        Jeez. There go my wings. 🙁

        • weka 9.1.1.1

          That would be a whole nother conversation, the extent to which humans misperception of their place in nature is a mental illlness 😉

          If we’re not part of nature, we don’t have to care if it’s destroyed – we always have space or biodomes!

      • johnm 9.1.2

        Hi Weka

        I don’t believe he’d endorse that video and its payback motherfuckers nastiness. Guy is a PHD Professor and gives his message in a very human and considerate way. What he has said is that if magically human industrial civilisation collapsed and our numbers declined dramatically along with our impact, the Earth’s biosphere would recover though with now abrupt climate change taking off by itself that may no longer be true. Our hubris has got us into this mess, not much can be done now. Most humans are innocent in this debacle, we’ve fallen into a “progress trap” unfortunately there’s no way out, hate and a condemning attitude just makes things more bitter.

  10. maui 10

    For all those worrying about climate change, in my mind it is just a symptom of our industrialised world. If you want to do something about it then become un-industrialised and self sufficient as much as possible. Trying to convince others that they should reduce their energy output I think may be largely a waste of breath. Either our unsustainable economic system is going to de-industrialise us first or we can do it on our own terms.

    • Bill 10.1

      We don’t have to be ‘un-industrial’.

      All we need to do is quit with stupid production and then stop driving the remaining industrial processes with fossil fuels while replacing market mechanisms with other, far more sensible ones. Market abolition ties in with ending stupid and purely profit driven production that has no social benefit.

      Self-sufficiency won’t give you much of a life span and is why we are co-operative little beasties. Non-exploitative inter-dependency, not self-sufficiency, is the way forward.

      Since (very approximately) 50% of emissions come from 1% of the people who are using fossil fuels, and if we’re wasting our breath trying to convince them to reduce their energy use, then we need to find new words and arguments that will convince them (I don’t think anyone has actually confronted that 1% with the consequences of their profligacy yet) or actions need to be developed and executed that will stop them.

      • maui 10.1.1

        But our entire society is driven by fossil fuels, I think we will always find stupid ways to use them because literally everyone in society has vested interests in their use. They get people from A to B, they get food from around the world to within a few kilometres of where people live, people make a lot of money in their use.

        Our two leading political parties philosophy revolve around keeping society running the way it is, leaving about 10-15% of the vote wanting an oil reduced society.

        Bill McKibben has been protesting about climate change for what 25 years now? Though I respect the work he has done, and it probably has raised awareness for the cause, has it got us closer to reducing fossil fuel use in the western world?

        I agree that we have to cooperate in a self-sufficient lifestyle and that it’s going to be more successful doing it with other people. I’m not sure if telling others that they must go green is going to solve the problem. That’s why I think going green yourself and forming a self reliant fossil free local community is a way to show others how to fix the climate problem and hopefully that would snowball, otherwise you’re just relying on the politicians to make the calls and the changes.

        • Bill 10.1.1.1

          Just coming back on one point.

          Yup – our entire society is powered by the burning of fossil fuels. And the best available science is telling us in no uncertain terms that if our governments are to front up to the accord they signed in Copenhagen back in 2009, then the entire planet must be fossil free in terms of energy by 2050. That’s for a very slim outside chance of temperature rise staying below 2 degrees.

          Under that scenario and in line with commitments signed up to at Copenhagen, the likes of NZ needs to be completely off fossil fuel energy by about 2040 or thereabouts.

          Of course, as humanity we can put off doing anything and lock three degrees (which we may already have achieved) or four degrees and/or non-anthropogenic warming (which we may also already have done) into the mix.

          Being optimistic, because I don’t think there’s any other sensible option, the reductions demanded by science will entail crashing the market economy. So maybe we should get on with things on that front if fossil is just too profitable to abandon? 😉

  11. Draco T Bastard 11

    Biosphere Collapse: The Biggest Economic Bubble Ever

    The real threat to human well-being is not that there is too little economic growth. Rather, it is that there is too much, and that we have overshot how much growth can occur without collapsing our shared environment.

    The industrial growth economy is ravaging natural ecosystems. Stocks of natural capital – including water, soil, old-growth forests, wild fish, etc. – are being pillaged to artificially inflate short-term economic growth numbers.

    Modern industrial capitalism’s narrow focus upon GDP growth as a measure of a society’s well-being utterly fails to account for the very real and detrimental costs of liquidating Earth’s natural life-support systems.

    • Yet for some strange reason the environmental political party – the Greens – support continued economic growth … for at least the next 65 years, via Kiwi Saver for the new born ?
      There is no such thing as a green economy – growth is growth.

  12. save NZ 12

    +1 – MickeySavage and Naomi Klein.
    +100 for calling Abbott a criminal.

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