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Not my family, bro

Written By: - Date published: 4:10 pm, October 17th, 2007 - 25 comments
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richie-2.jpgRadio Live reports that Richard Lewis and his Destiny Party have decided to form a new Christian party, this time without Gordon Copeland.

They’re calling it the ‘Family Party’ and are trying to pose as a broad-based Christian movement. They have obvious reasons for doing so, but in politics it’s the money and the troops on the ground that matter – and Destiny has easily enough of both to make sure the party stays firmly under their control.

Lewis says the party intends to target the Manukau and Mangere electorates with policies focusing on ‘the rise in prostitution, street gangs, alcohol and drug abuse.’ There’s no mention of how the Family Party intends to tackle the poverty wages, insecure work hours and casualisation that lie beneath these social problems, but I suspect Lewis doesn’t really care. After all, he was happy to lead Destiny into the last election with an economic platform that was decidedly unfriendly to the families he claims to represent.

Former United Future MP Paul Adams has been announced as the party’s deputy leader. He’s that dude who went on a fast against the Civil Union Bill. Judging by this article from the Dom Post (Aug 7, 2002) he should fit in just fine:

[Adams] refused to say whether he stood by his views on locking up Aids sufferers and homosexuality being wrong, but said classrooms lacked male role-models and so he would not want a cross-dresser teaching his children. He said yesterday Aids sufferers should be publicly identified. “I think it’s only fair”

They can call their party whatever they like, but kicking the poor and beating up on the weak aren’t my family values. And I suspect they’ll soon find the good people of South Auckland don’t think so either.

25 comments on “Not my family, bro ”

  1. your comment is waiting moderation 1

    Well at least national may have a coalition partner

  2. Pascal's bookie 2

    “Lewis says the party intends to target the Manukau and Mangere electorates with policies focusing on ‘the rise in prostitution, street gangs, alcohol and drug abuse.'”

    Hmmm. Snoop dogg family values eh? Not what I expected and I don’t think their target market are that into the whole voting thing, but I’m kind of hoping they make it.

    Question time will be a hoot.

  3. Robinsod 3

    Well knock me over! I’ve been looking for someone my vote was worth wasting for since McGillicuddy Serious shut up shop. I may have found my party.

  4. Kybosh 4

    I just heard the best story about Lewis – turns out when he was a cop in the Hutt, he’d get his mates to pull up at a spot where they could see into his bedroom and he’d give them a bit of a show (without letting his date know of course). Dodgy dodgy cops eh??

  5. rjs131 5

    But i guess the people of Mangere voted in taito philip field and he has such a great attitude towards exploiting vulnerable people in society, so they might actually do well

  6. r0b 6

    Robinsod: “I’ve been looking for someone my vote was worth wasting for since McGillicuddy Serious shut up shop”

    Ho! Another fan of the McGillicuddy. Thank goodness not everyone takes politics seriously.

    Pascal’s Bookie: “I don’t think their target market are that into the whole voting thing”

    The turnout in those electorates was kinda crucial in the last election, so there could be a spolier effect. If they ever get off the ground that is. Which seems unlikely. (If Pascal won his wager, then there are some mysterious ways indeed).

  7. Margaret 7

    I was always particularly fond of the McGillicuddy policy on abortion. I don’t think the Family Party would like it though…

    Mangere could be very interesting next year. With Field possibly standing as an independent, Lewis standing too (and he will start campaigning now, building on work he has already been doing, which could see him as an outside contender), and possibly Su’a William Sio for Labour (he may enter Parliament early next year due to the Hartley and Yates retirements, the job’s his if he chooses it ahead of his Manukau City Council spot). All three will have some crossover appeal, although I understand that Sio is not as socially conservative as the other two. What if the Maori Party run someone too??!!

  8. r0b 8

    “I was always particularly fond of the McGillicuddy policy on abortion.”

    Hehheh! Not that I would ever. Well….. No – of course not.

    But anyway, you seem pretty well informed about Mangere. I hope you’ll find somewhere at The Standard to post your impressions as the situation develops.

  9. Benodic 9

    Actually I remember John Key refusing to rule out the failed Destiny/Copeland party as a coalition partner when asked. I wonder if he’d likewise consider going into coalition with these goons? The man seems desperate enough to get into power…

  10. Trent 10

    Oh I don’t know, Destiny seems to have its following amongst those you claim to be poor and weak, quite a following by all accounts, pissed off because they are tithing to a church instead of a union? A smart union would choose a demographic that could afford to tithe to both.

  11. Tane 11

    Trent, you’re sounding desperate. First of all, the union movement and Destiny Church are entirely different beasts, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand the difference.

    But even on your terms, the union movement has 370,000 members and Destiny has what, 10,000? You’ll have to try harder than that mate.

  12. Trent 12

    My point was that like Destiny Church, Unions suck off the poor and the weak for their thithes and you just don’t like the competetion.

  13. Trent 13

    Actually Tane, your response bears no resemblence to the comment I made. Who cares if the union movement has 370,000 members, that wasn’t the point.

    The point is that both the union movement and Destiny Church seek to suck money out of the so-called poor and weak (and I’d be really annoyed to be labled as such by a union).

    You guys are competing with the Church for what little money the “poor and weak” have, and I suspect that both of you are winning when it comes to taking their money.

    As an unpaid volunteer budget advisor, the four pieces of advice I give to any person seeking my advice are:

    1. Cancel any Church tithes.
    2. Cancel any union membership.
    3. Cancel Sky TV.
    4. Renegotiate interest bearing HP’s.

    Largely in that order.

  14. Nih 14

    Unions usually only ask an annual membership of around $200. Tithing is far more excessive.

    You were doing better talking about masturbation Trent.

  15. Trent 15

    Nih, classless I have never talked about what you dream about achieving.

    And $200 (a figure that I would dispute) is an aweful lot to some for no return.

  16. Nih 16

    Dispute away. My partner’s union charges $200 per annum.

    If you have a job, you can afford to join a union. Simple. That doesn’t mean you have to as they’re mires of bureaucracy themselves, but it’s not exactly a lot of money.

    And yes, you were discussing masturbation and calling people wankers in another thread where you raved on for several posts. It’ll take more than a few days to shake your troll history, but keep at the reasoned discussion and you might eventually outrun it.

  17. Tane 17

    Trent, your ignorance is stunning. If you think collective bargaining brings no return then you’ve got no idea. The pay rises alone amount to far more than $200 a year.

  18. robinsod 18

    Hi Trent – welcome back. So you advised people to leave their unions (which offer pretty much the only real protection they have at work)? You are a shitty little man aren’t you?

  19. Pablo 19

    So Trent you advise people to cancel their union membership before they cancel their Sky TV? Nice one.

    Perhaps you could also direct people to the recent report by University of Sydney that finds:

    “Collective bargaining produces the best pay outcomes for low-skilled workers. Those on AWAs (Australian Workplace Agreements) work the longest hours, contributing to the higher weekly wage outcome. While all full-time employees reliant on award arrangements work the shortest hours (around 40 hours per week on average).”

    (reported by the Standard the other day)

    Nothing like informed advice is there?

  20. Margaret 20

    Have you considered Trent that your advice to cancel union membership fees could actually be costing those you advise money?

    Unions often offer a range of discounts, which obviously non-members cannot access. Then there is the ability to access advice, advocacy, even legal representation, free of charge if you are a union member. Other commenters have already covered the significant financial benefits of being a union member.

    Trent maybe you should consider that your advice might be driven more by your ideological convictions than actual proof that it will save people money, especially as Sky is way more expensive than union membership.

  21. Nih 21

    Trent, for whom do you solicit advice? You don’t have to identify yourself personally, but now would be an ideal time to open up regarding this advice center you volunteer for.

  22. Trent 22

    Wow touched a nerve here didn’t I. I do volunteer work for a free budgeting advice service, its free to any one who wants to use it, and yes, I do advise clients to quit unions, because I can get them a better deal one-on-one with their employer. It has worked really well so far for those I have advocated for. See, some individuals deserve to be marketed individually instead of being lumped into the collective dross.

  23. Trent 23

    Oh, and no Nih, I see no reason to reveal to you the community service I volunteer my services to. Union people have an “interesting” way of dealing to their competition. I’d rather carry on my service to those who are better served by me thanks.

  24. Nih 24

    What makes you think any of us are ‘union people’?

    Clearly you have no credibility. You saw someone, somewhere, talking about giving financial advice for free and adopted it for use on the internet.

    You should add ‘saving puppies’ and ‘looking for justice for NZ’s kids’ to that lineup.

  25. Trent 25

    “Clearly you have no credibility.”

    In your little mind maybe, by I take considerable pleasure in seeing people achieve their goals once unshackled from their churches and their unions. They thank me and I get invited to significant events in their lives. So your little three liner of a reply on the net doesn’t really count.

    “What makes you think any of us are ‘union people’?”

    This is “The Standard” What else are we to expect, Tane is a committed unionist and its pretty safe to assume that others here are too.

    “ou [sic] add ‘saving puppies’ … that lineup.”

    No helping out fellow human beings who’s potential has been locked up by leftist thinking is far more important to me right now. Moreover, I haven’t seen the left attemt to suppress the lives of puppies through collectivisim (micro-chipping aside) so I won’t be helping them out just yet.

    “justice for NZ’s kids'”

    Point out an injustice (other than Sue’s amendment) and I’ll gladly take up that cause.

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