On a schism by the unrighteous and immoral

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1. dv 1

   20 June 2023 at 3:29 pm

   I first read Trump minions as Trump morons.
   • Patricia Bremner 1.1

     20 June 2023 at 4:37 pm

     Trump minions to Trump morons… makes sense to me
     • dv 1.1.1

       21 June 2023 at 10:09 am

       YES
2. Incognito 2

   20 June 2023 at 3:50 pm

   Yes, not surprising and almost inevitable. The political undead tried and failed to get traction in the Local Elections and are walking straight into another defeat in the General Election. However, this will still leave quite a few disenfranchised voters/people even more frustrated with the system & establishment.
3. Dennis Frank 3

   20 June 2023 at 3:51 pm

   Folks may get the Conservative party mixed up with the New Conservative party. This lot:

   I am an ordinary citizen, just like you… A runaway street kid from a life of abuse, violence and dysfunction with all that that entails, to a primary school teacher and the founding director of a charitable trust, and now law student.

   I know too well the issues our society is struggling with from broken families, broken mental health and addiction services, to broken housing. We need solutions, not separatist policies which do not move the people forward in unity. New Conservative has solutions with common sense, practical, realistic policies. https://www.nc.org.nz/team

   New Conservative has a new language, set apart from the status quo.

   They may not have thought this through properly: to move the people forward in unity isn't easy while using a new language. Most folks in Aotearoa prefer English.

   Also, inventing a new language for a political party will be seen as radical by most, not conservative. Political marketing doesn't work well on the basis of contradiction.
4. observer 4

   20 June 2023 at 4:06 pm

   Quite a contrast with 30 years ago, when Jim Anderton managed to unite 5 different parties under the Alliance banner. The parties (including the Greens) understood that there was a clear path forward, and they followed it …

   1) Campaign for MMP. Win referendum.

   2) Same election (1993) get a bridgehead under FPP (Anderton and Sandra Lee).

   3) Remain united for MMP election, 1996. Get 13 MPs.

   4) Go their separate ways in 1999.

   Better to bury differences and break up after several terms, than never get into Parliament (or government).

   Moral of story: leftie co-operation works, rightie "me me me" does not.
5. Peter 5

   20 June 2023 at 4:19 pm

   DemocracyNZ's fortunes are likely rest on King’s candidacy in the Northland electorate?

   Clean that off the whiteboard. King has as much chance of winning the seat as Billy Te Kahika has of being elected
   • tWiggle 5.1

     21 June 2023 at 12:04 am

     Billy TK is appealing a 4 month prison sentence for incitment at a Queen St anti-lockdown rally under Covid measures. His appeal (grift) for funds from supporters focuses on staying out of jail, so doubt he's an election goer. He may even be in The Big House by then.

     nzherald Apr 2023 .covid-19-lockdown-breach-billy-te-kahika-vincent-eastwood-win-fight-to-discuss-case-on-social-media
     • tWiggle 5.1.1

       21 June 2023 at 4:28 pm

       Sorry, Billy TK Jnr.
6. Ad 6

   20 June 2023 at 4:44 pm

   Since this is 2%+ wasted vote on the day, does that effectively gain votes for a left government, or a right government?

   Does this wasted vote pull votes mostly away from Labour+Greens, or National+Act?
   • Sanctuary 6.1

     21 June 2023 at 8:28 am

     Most of those don't vote anyway. As sovereign citizens they are not the (legal) entity named on the rolls voiding the contract with the corporate entity of New Zealand as referenced by Magna Carta and the treaty of Westphalia. Also, we all know the government uses the opportunity to impregnate the ballot papers with nanobots to track you after the election.
     • SPC 6.1.1

       21 June 2023 at 9:02 am

       The sad thing is how NACT is moving into that orbit – creating the concept of a gated community of those with health insurance, children in private schools studying for places in foreign universities, seeking a small sized nation state capability and growing their wealth here as a landlord class with limited tax contribution into their community. Very much the Magna Carta Lords of the Manor ruling above the lower class whose opinion counts for nothing.
       • PsyclingLeft.Always 6.1.1.1

         21 June 2023 at 9:41 am

         And all very ironic considering they (including Roger Douglas and cronies, et al) created so many of NZ's present day problems.

         Its also quite the Libertarian way…gated communities with private police force, etc etc; ….

         These self absorbed jerks want a kind of apartheid. Not so much race (altho…: (

         Maybe more of a wealth based system.

         That…will never last. Plenty of history proves. And..the violence..will skyrocket.

         Their gated walls will need to be ever bigger…more private police, more weapons. Until…..
     • Ad 6.1.2

       21 June 2023 at 9:39 am

       If they can be persuadable to either not vote or vote Labour, we need to keep reaching out. One cranky and difficult conversation at a time.

       Loathe them sure, but disenfranchising them is the way to MAGA.
7. roblogic 7

   20 June 2023 at 4:51 pm

   These are the nutty fringe factions that are too obnoxious, egotistical and delusional to work with National or Act. Long may they froth in obscurity
   • Morrissey 7.1

     20 June 2023 at 4:55 pm

     …too obnoxious, egotistical and delusional to work with National or Act.

     How is it possible to be more obnoxious, egotistical or delusional than the ACT cult?

     (By the way, why does the cult leadership let Brooke van Velden keep appearing opposite the infinitely sharper Chloe Swarbrick on TVNZ1 every Monday morning? She suffers a comprehensive whopping’ every single time.)
     • tWiggle 7.1.1

       21 June 2023 at 12:31 am

       Where van Velden learnt her ACT values, as described in her maiden speech:

       "I studied economics and international trade at the University of Auckland. This is when I became an ACT supporter. Economics opened up my mind to alternative solutions to the big issues we face today, such as poverty and the environment. It was a revelation to me at the time that trade and free markets have pulled billions of people from hardship and poverty."

       And here I was, thinking it was the Depression era US New Deal, Savage's Welfare State legislation and the UK post-war Atlee government that pulled millions in those countries out of poverty, disease and capitailist exploitation. While colonialism and its capitalist predation of stable societies in Asia and Africa, in search of trade, destroyed them and plunged millions of their people into poverty, and many into slavery.

       Guess van Velden's economics classes skipped over those economic facts, and their results.
   • observer 7.2

     20 June 2023 at 4:58 pm

     We should never forget that Luxon took over a week to make the easiest decision any leader could face … ruling out Brian Tamaki.

     No moral compass and terrible political judgement.

     https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/08/31/robertson-fired-up-over-luxons-refusal-to-rule-out-working-with-tamaki/
   • Patricia Bremner 7.3

     20 June 2023 at 10:51 pm

     Well put Especially the "Froth"
   • tWiggle 7.4

     21 June 2023 at 12:13 am

     These are people who advanced on Parliament with gallows to hang all the MPs, and replace them with their own folk. National is quite happy under Luxon to pander to these disgruntled voters. But Destiny and Sue Grey's Outdoor and Freedom Party, both involved in anti-lockdown events, scent the opportunity also.

     This will be cannabilisation of mostly rightist parties, and perhaps the Greens, for the hippy-dippy crystal end of the anti-vaxers.
8. Shanreagh 8

   21 June 2023 at 9:48 am

   Language, ain't it great!

   Dwight Eisenhower

   “If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.”

   and

   tWiggle

   This will be cannabilisation of mostly rightist parties, and perhaps the Greens, for the hippy-dippy crystal end of the anti-vaxers.

   Very perceptive Lprent and now that you have pointed it out I can see why I have always felt a lack in the anti-vaxxer parties continuing into power, now that the urgency around the pandemic has passed. The slant about encroaching on freedom, that I could have run an argument on, was suppressed by the conspiracy nanobots end including the Dirty Dozen (Kennedy et al).

   They will find it difficult to now retreat or expand into sensible policies about the world in NZ ie a sane, sensible and moral cause. Their conspiratorial days are too close and too well remembered to give credibility to any but the original followers.

   Anderton & Dunne were able to cobble together parties or groups of parties because people could see the right cause and moral imperative they believed in and for these two guys, their good basic characters. Grey, Tamaki & their parties don't seem to have a right or just cause/s and their personal good characters are somewhat lacking.

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