Open mike 02/01/2022

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  1. Dennis Frank 1

    Prejudice against folks who get high to improve their mental health remains in the media. Media don't reflect grass-roots reality!

    A couple years after California legalised cannabis for adult use in 2016, Danielle Simone Brand decided to try it. A journalist in the US Pacific Northwest, Brand, now 42, found cannabis left her feeling “better and more embodied, happier in my body and mind”. Looking at legal cannabis as a wellness tool, she quickly liked how using the substance herself bettered her ability to parent her two children, now 8 and 11.

    “Cannabis helps me in certain transitional moments,” she says. “I can more easily set aside my workday to-do list, along with whatever challenges and frustrations I've experienced that day, and get into the kind of headspace where I can patiently help with homework or make dinner with my daughter.”

    Brand, the author of Weed Mom: The Canna-Curious Woman's Guide to Healthier Relaxation, Happier Parenting, and Chilling TF Out, says cannabis helped her slow down enough to linger with her kids at bedtime. Because she was so often in a hurry to get them to bed at a reasonable hour – and buy some rest for herself – Brand says she was missing out on time when her kids were keen to connect. That meant she failed to hear important details about what they were learning, how they felt about school and their relationships with friends.

    Brand says ‘cannamoms’ like her aren’t a new phenomenon – she has seen years of mothers using cannabis to parent. https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20211116-the-cannamoms-parenting-with-cannabis

    The first time researcher Heather McIlvaine-Newsad became aware of cannamoms was around 2018, due to the emergence of Facebook groups devoted to the new social movement. An anthropology professor and co-founder of Western Illinois University’s interdisciplinary minor in cannabis and culture, McIlvaine-Newsad noted some of the Facebook discussion groups had been running for several years. Today, she says there are more than two dozen such groups on Facebook, boasting several thousands of members.

    53-year-old Barinder Rasode also felt her stress ratchet up during the pandemic. With three children, aged 28, 25 and 17, the Vancouver, British Columbia-based mother struggled to parent amid Covid-19, especially while trying to explain to her youngest child what was going on. “You’re dealing with a teenager whose world has got turned upside down, and you’re confined in a small space, all together, for more hours than anybody should,” says Rasode, a former municipal politician turned CEO of medical-cannabis business-incubator GrowTech Labs.

    Many cannamoms, including Rasode, Thomas and Brand, all ‘microdose’ cannabis – using the plant or its extracts in small doses.

    That's the key point for therapeutic usage. The homeopathic analogy applies. Just use enough to shift your state of mind. No more is necessary.

    Why? The psyche is a complex system. Gestalt shifts result from tiny triggers. Neuroscience has documented the various ways different parts of the brain contribute their function to consciousness, and also has moved on to document how feelings produced throughout the body likewise affect our outlook, behaviour, and decision-making. Such practical holism informs our grasp of health nowadays.

    • Blazer 1.1

      Wondering if these cannamoms ,start off….'cannakids'….I hope not,although it is hard to imagine…they won't.

      • Dennis Frank 1.1.1

        I hope so. They'd be likely to become the ones that rescue humanity from mainstreamer-driven cultural toxic sludge.

        • Blazer 1.1.1.1

          I've seen it affect people in different ways…functioning potheads,psychotics and schizophrenia….

          • Dennis Frank 1.1.1.1.1

            Me too, in 1972. It became obvious that some users just don't do moderation. The concept of self-discipline is too alien..

          • bruce 1.1.1.1.2

            Different strokes for different folks. Its a sorry description of those that have control that they should mandate that we only have access to the two most lethal.

          • Shanreagh 1.1.1.1.3

            A family member has the unerring ability to 'friend' the non functioning potheads. Some are truly sorry specimens particularly when the overuse is coupled with an innate lack of intelligence and the cannabis use started in the early teens. Some of them are not able to hold down a steady job and never will. I find it very sad.

            • bruce 1.1.1.1.3.1

              I've been to the wards (note the plural) of non functioning people with fetal alcohol syndrome, truly disturbing individuals who never had a chance, never even had the choice, some not able to survive without assistance. I found that incredibly sad. No choice comes without repercussions. But that the government should dictate that alcohol is the only choice for an activity that seems to be intrinsic to mankind is truly heinous.

              Its not about good and bad or protecting a population, if it was we would see regulation of sugar, its simply bad law and a rotten government unwilling to do the right thing.

      • Gezza 1.1.2

        I was 16 when I first tried it in 1973.

        Those days we got it via contacts as “Buddha Sticks” from off the ships at Port Taranaki. It was wrapped around matchstick-thin sticks of bamboo & came from SE Asia.

        I rolled a cigar-sized doobie out of four cigarette papers for my mates at a party in Waitara. Got stoned as frack & it freaked me out – although it made the contemporary music we were playing on the stereo about 3 times as interesting – I found I could hone in on drums, bass, guitars, keyboards, vocals, BVs & hear them with pristine clarity like never before.

        I was so stoned that when I stepped off my mate’s doorstep to leave for home (about a four inch height) it was like I was experiencing slow motion & the step seemed about a foot high. Not hallucinating as such, just felt very much in an altered state of consciousness. Thank goodness another, rather straight, mate who didn’t partake drove us home to New Plymouth.

        When I got home at about 2 am I was freaking out that I might have damaged my brain. I was much too stoned to even talk to my older brother who saw my red eyes, guessed what was happening, & told me to go to bed before my parents saw me.

        Woke up the next morning & I was fine. No after effects at all. Man, this is way better than booze, I concluded.

        It didn’t become a regular feature of my life until my mid-20s. I never got it from gangs. I always seemed to be able to find non-gang sources (at work or when out socially) who just quietly grew their own & sometimes sold oz bags on the side. I also grew my own (in amongst carefully selected tall marigolds) for about 10 years.

        It was never available at my school in my schooldays, though I believe it IS commonly available there nowdays.

        I’m glad I never got onto it when at school. I had enuf trouble concentrating when bored as it was. If I’d being doing dope in my schooldays I’d have had no idea what we’d just been taught after every class.

  2. Drowsy M. Kram 3

    Should Team Kiwi keep trying to slow it down, or just let 'er rip? I'd prefer to err on the side of caution, but ‘we’ may not have much choice.

    Untangling what Omicron means for New Zealand's approach to the pandemic [Stuff; 2 January 2022]

    Will everyone catch Omicron?

    You may have heard NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard warning the public that everybody should expect to get infected by the Omicron variant.

    That’s pretty gloomy, but is he wrong?

    I asked Hunter, Plank and Martiniuk about this.

    Basically he is correct,” Hunter replied. “Nothing in medicine is 100 per cent, but the large majority of people will get Omicron.

    Martiniuk said she did not know. “But wouldn’t you rather delay getting it until a few years from now? Wouldn’t you rather get it when there are better treatments and better vaccines?

    Plank certainly doesn’t agree with Hazzard’s messaging. He sees it as defeatist, but he acknowledges the minister probably has a point. The sheer speed at which the virus spreads, and the fact it evades vaccination, means that once it starts spreading it’s going to infect a lot of people – although maybe not everyone.

    But that doesn't mean you don’t do anything to try and slow it down or stop it,” Plank says, “And there are still vulnerable groups, and we really need to keep those groups in mind.

    Unite against
    COVID-19
    https://covid19.govt.nz

    • Dennis Frank 3.1

      Nothing wrong with slowing it down, applying the precautionary principle. However the unity stance is never going to work – particularly if directed against Gaia.

      Problem with academics is lack of Gaian consciousness. Ivory-tower syndrome rules their thinking. Plank always seems sensible & I haven't disagreed with any of his views, but he's bound by his indoctrination like all the others. To grasp the evolutionary context, one must think outside the academic square.

    • Jester 3.2

      There could already be people in the community with it that don't realise they have it. Remember many people don't know they have it until the test result comes back.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 3.2.1

        Good point, Jester, there certainly could be – guess we'll find out soon enough.

    • Bill 3.3

      I already commented on that article on another thread, so won't repeat myself.

      Instead, and in light of the official narrative crumbling (and not a moment too soon), I'll post these wee lines from a piece of Guardian reporting today

      The government said a further 154 people had died in England within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19.

      Separate figures published by the Office for National Statistics show there have now been 174,000 deaths registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate.

      Bit of a shift from the reporting of these past few years that would have read along the lines of – "another 154 Covid deaths" and "there have been a total of 174 000 Covid deaths"

      While I welcome the change, I'd really quite like the bastards behind the ubiquitous "project fear" reporting of these past few years to be dragged into public view and dealt with appropriately.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 3.3.1

        We can take comfort in recent UK trends (30th Dec. 332 deaths, 31st Dec. 203 deaths, 1st Jan. 154 deaths – a year ago it was 592 deaths per day [7-day moving average] and rising), and in the roll-out of boosters and new treatments for COVID infections.

        Should be a doddle for all but the seriously ill and/or dying from now on – 'cry freedums' trumps "project fear". However, we may not be out of the dense woods just yet – let's touch base in 3 – 4 weeks to re-examine the pandemic success story that is the UK. And keep an eye out for new variants of concern, why not.

        NHS ‘already overwhelmed, in a parlous state'

        Dr Chaand Nagpaul, BMA council chairman, has said it is “wholly erroneous to talk about the risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed”, adding that the new year began with the NHS “already overwhelmed, in a parlous state, and with patient care suffering”.

        He described staff as “exhausted”, and added: “A key priority for the government this year must be to properly invest in doctors’ wellbeing, recognising that the NHS cannot afford to lose any more of its workforce without dangerously jeopardising patient care.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic#Misinformation

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation

    • Byd0nz 4.1

      Well nothing will change until the people of the world somehow unite and create a World without money system. We are still in a primitive stage of evolution so a World without money system could be a long time in the waiting.

      • Stephen Doyle 4.1.1

        The BIG question is how do you control greed?

        • Gezza 4.1.1.1

          Regulation. And taxation.

          Has Biden succeeded in taxing the shit out of the wealthy, as he intended?

          The only other way to control greed is by making it morally reprehensible to society, but even Christianity & Islam – which both try to do that – have spectacularly failed in that regard.

          • Blazer 4.1.1.1.1

            Speaking of…morals…arise Sir Tony Blair…what rogues gallery would be complete without his admission.

            A man who ignored 1million people protesting in London,and went ahead with a war of death and destruction in Iraq,based on a litany of…lies.

            Wonderful world…beautiful ..people.

      • Gezza 4.1.2

        I dunno how practical a world without money is. Money has been around for so long because it’s just so practical.

        But we could sure do with a major reform of the international currency markets that are still far too much controlled by the US & allow the US to strangle economies of countries they don’t like or whose leaders or policies are inconvenient to their government or the major corporations who fund their politicians.

        • Byd0nz 4.1.2.1

          Well I have an opinion piece on that,too big for here but can be read as a free download at: http://byd0nz.com

        • alwyn 4.1.2.2

          If you really want to have a world without money you are going to have to come up with a simple way to trade your work for others..

          If you, a maker of shoes, but who likes strawberries, wants to find a way of exchanging your shoes for someone else's strawberries how are you going to do it without having the intermediary of money? How do you find a seller of strawberries? What do you do if they don't want a new pair of shoes? What do you do if you really want some strawberries next month and not today? What if you only want a small amount of strawberries in comparison with a large pair of shoes?

          etc, etc, etc. Money, in some form or other is perhaps the greatest invention of, and the most useful thing ever created by, the Human Race.

    • Gezza 4.2

      The experience of Hungary, Kazakhstan, Russia and Turkey – to name just the best-known recent cases – show that a transition from some kind of power-sharing democracy to despotism can happen rapidly, in not much longer than a decade.

      That was certainly the case in the 20th Century & nothing has changed. In fact it can happen even more quickly these days, imo. Look how many people in the US bought into the “Trump’s the solution” madness from the “get-go”!

      Thanks for that. A good read & well-made points.

    • Dennis Frank 4.3

      Democracy loses credibility when it fails to deliver. Find a National or Labour voter & target the bugger. See if you can wake him up. From your source:

      Despotisms in practice strive to learn the arts of nimble governance. They do more than repeat the mantra of “popular sovereignty”: their leaders harness public opinion polling agencies, think tanks, election campaigns, happiness forums, policy feedback groups, online hearings and other early warning detectors.

      The rulers of the new despotisms are deception and seduction perfectionists. They do all they can to camouflage the violence they wield against those who refuse to conform.

      Using a combination of slick means, including calibrated coercion masked by balaclavas, they manage to win the loyalty of sections of the middle classes, skilled and unskilled workers, and the poor. Despotisms are hard governments in soft velvet form. They work tirelessly to lure their subjects into subjection. Voluntary servitude is their thing.

      Voluntary servitude is the ethos of your typical Nat/Lab voter. They are literally unable to think of what else to do with their lives.

      So my point is our mainstreamer political duopoly is already operating to simulate democracy just like the despots. They just use a bit more of that velvet…

    • RedLogix 4.4

      Excellent article.

      It's worth keeping in mind that whenever we tear down the achievements of liberal democracy – that you're also serving an despot's purpose knowingly or not.

  3. Puckish Rogue 5

    Cricket, cricket, cricket!

    A decent start to the test, a bit disappointing losing Blundell at the end but its still 258 runs in the bank with 5 wickets in hand

    Minimum target from here would be at least 350 and then we'll see what the bowlers can do on this pitch.

    A good start to Youngs career as opener but its a shame we can't seem to produce another opening partner for Latham (at least it means we can put him in the team)

    Blundell hasn't been going too well of late but he deserves more of an extended run in the role (maybe swop with Ravindra in the batting order?) however hes not just replacing an all time NZ great, hes replacing one of the best wicketkeeper/batters of all time

    Having said that Cleaver, Fletcher and Seifert are all doing well in FC cricket so a decent score in the 2nd innings would do him a world of good.

    So a team, in the near future, of:

    Latham

    Young

    Williamson

    Conway

    Nicholls

    Ravindra

    Blundell

    Jamieson

    Southee

    Wagner

    Boult

    Isn't too shabby, maybe would like to see more of Patel and Jamieson maybe a position too high but still pretty good.

  4. Anker 6
    • Excellent choices for the Black Caps PR. I will miss Taylor.

    on another recreational note, West Side Story 2021 is definitely worth seeing. I am not going to make any judgements about which version is better. I love this musical and both movies are wonderful. One of the differences though is that I found the gangs quite scary, especially the Jets. There was a look of deprivation about them and the violence felt more authentic to who the characters were (rather than unfortunate accidents in the 1960’s version).

    I couldn’t help but think of the gangs in NZ and how we hear about these scenarios in the news.

    • Puckish Rogue 6.1

      Whats good about this team is that we also have Mitchell in the reserves and hes shown to be more than able to make the step up to top order international batting.

      We've got good pace bowling reserves, plenty of wicket keeping/batters floating about. If we could just sort out the spinning options we'd be a threat in all conditions.

  5. Anker 7
    • Excellent choices for the Black Caps PR. I will miss Taylor.

    on another recreational note, West Side Story 2021 is definitely worth seeing. I am not going to make any judgements about which version is better. I love this musical and both movies are wonderful. One of the differences though is that I found the gangs quite scary in the 2021 version, especially the Jets. There was a look of deprivation about them and the violence felt more authentic to who the characters were (rather than unfortunate accidents in the 1960’s version).

    I couldn’t help but think of the gangs in NZ and how we hear about these scenarios in the news.

    • Anker 7.1
      • PR what about Ajaz? And is Santner still injured?
      • about to bowl, this should be interesting. Hope it’s not a walk over! Not fun to watch
      • Puckish Rogue 7.1.1

        Santners no good at test level (very good white ball player though)

        Disappointed with Patel not playing and I think we're a batter or all rounder short

  6. Bill 8

    The "poster child" politicians for liberalism just can't help themselves. From Jacinda's "be kind" before openly guffawing at creating a divided NZ, to this corker from her "poster child" predecessor.

    https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1477360402338095113?s=20

    • Blade 8.1

      I think he was a black slave in a former life. He’s now a white 'waste of space' liberal who's conflicted. He now realises ''black faces don't matter.''

    • weka 8.2

      don't know who BLN are, but in this tweet, they are clearly misrepresenting what Trudeau is saying.

      They claim that he said unvaccinated people are them unscientific, misogynists and racists, and that he was attacking unvaccinated people.

      Whereas what he actually said is two things:

      1. there are vaccine hesitant people, and they will keep trying to convince them
      2. there are another group of people who are "ferociously against vaccination", and who tend to be anti-science, racist, misongynist. They are small group.

      Here's a transcript,

      Why BLN would want to conflate vax hesitant people with hard core anti-vaxxers connected to Qanon etc I don't know. Seems weird to me.

      • weka 8.2.1

        just seen Robert has made the same point below.

        • Robert Guyton 8.2.1.1

          Was Bill careless in posting this, or did he intend to smear Trudeau?

          It's a poor attempt, either way. It only required reading and a little thought to expose the bullsh*t.

          • weka 8.2.1.1.1

            taking a crack at liberals, while smearing Trudeau and Ardern, in one short comment. And yep, the tweet had obvious red flags.

          • fender 8.2.1.1.2

            I don't believe Bull was being careless at all, quite the opposite in fact.

            His "divided NZ" is just more billshit, some love to play the persecution up for whatever reasons."No papers" is another one used the other day . Ffs what's this country coming to when one has to travel 50 km , pass 6 supermarkets, 8 dairies, 3 bakeries just to find a bakery with a cafe attached to it in order to satisfy a need to feel persecuted!

            • Bill 8.2.1.1.2.1

              You're correct. I wasn't being careless.

              Anyway. You want to talk to the 9 year olds who have been told they can't do any extracurricular activities next year unless they're injected and then come back and tell me how NZ isn't divided?

              You want to talk about the kids whose heads are all fucked up because "unless injected" they don't get to hang out with their school pals? (Maybe you don't recall what a huge deal peer pressure and social acceptance was as a pre-teen kid)

              Or maybe just tell me how the clip Rosemary put up doesn't mean that NZ's been deliberately divided?

              20 odd km is the distance on public transport btw (not 50km) – to the bakery I've been buying my bread from these past two years or more because it's decent bread they bake.

          • Bill 8.2.1.1.3

            You deliberately overlooking Trudeau's hypocrisy? (Blumenthal’s tweet’s arguably really quite pertinent and funny)

            The guy who runs around in black face saying racists are not going to tolerated…

            Anyway, hypocrisy aside, what do you think he means when he says those who resist the injections and who he considers to be anti-science and/or racist and/or misogynists may well not be tolerated?

            You can the circularity of his argument, whereby anyone who refuses to submit to an injection in spite of government persuasion becomes almost by definition a person harbouring personal traits or beliefs that he reckons ought not to be tolerated, yes?

            So what would the next step in this "othering" be? Open season on the deplorable un-injected?

            Scratch a liberal…. 😉

      • weka 8.2.2

        Looks like the interview was from September, I'll hazard a guess that there is broader context, including what he said next.

        BLN's website page on the piece is obviously manipulative and not journalism. There's no date or context for the video, and their headlines and brief content smack of sensationalism and trumpism (note they accuse Trudeau of being divisive while they are doing exactly that with their approach). This is the kind of shit I would expect to be passed around on FB without any attempt at fact checking.

        https://brightlightnews.com/trudeau-launches-divisive-hate-rhetoric-against-unvaccinated/

      • Matiri 8.2.3

        BLN – "Shining a light on the science and data of Covid-19. Investigate and arrive at your own conclusions." BLN is also active on Telegram – the extremists' platform of choice.

        • Bill 8.2.3.1

          The tweet was compiled by Max Blumenthal ffs. What earthly difference does it make what platform or outlet was carrying the original clip that he used in making his observation?

          And….are you insinuating that "telegram" – 'the extremists' platform of choice' (in your words) is perhaps where misogynists, racists and anti-science types gather?

          Perhaps you think, essentially in parallel with Trudeau, that Telegram, or anyone who uses Telegram is another indication (alongside people refusing injections?) of who ought not be tolerated?

          Scratch a liberal…

  7. Robert Guyton 9

    Trudeau says, "But also, there are people who are ferociously against vaccination…" and it's those he lambasts, not the "vaccine hesitant” or the broader "unvaccinated".

    The comment (above) "Prime Minister @Justin Trudeau launches into an unfounded and divisive tirade on unvaccinated people … " is a crock.

  8. Puckish Rogue 10

    Just for something different (we all know who won)

  9. joe90 11

    When the Rabbi Yeshua shot a couple of Corinthians…

    https://twitter.com/HillReporter/status/1473635317806632962

  10. Dennis Frank 12

    Looks like omicron is becoming likely to be viewed as similar to the flu.

    A Belgian scientific research station in Antarctica is dealing with an outbreak of Covid-19, despite workers being fully vaccinated and based in one of the world's remotest regions. Since 14 December, at least 16 of the 25 workers at the Princess Elisabeth Polar Station have caught the virus. Officials say cases remain mild so far.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59848160

    Joseph Cheek, a project manager for the International Polar Foundation, told the BBC: "All residents of the station were offered the opportunity to leave on a scheduled flight on 12 January. However, they all expressed their wish to stay and continue their work."

    Govts have trained people to see a 64% pandemic infection rate as a calamity. Having this team of scientists treat it as no problem could cause a wave of cognitive dissonance to spread around the world with this news…

  11. McFlock 14

    test

    edit: weird. Got a wordfence 403 error in another post.

    • McFlock 14.1

      comment doesn't work sans links, either. Supposed to be in the "Good News" post, but no messages banning me from it as far as I've seen.

      I'll try posting it here, to see if the 403repeats

      attempt 1 -fail
      removing bullets – fail
      half length with links in -pass

      If someone wants to provide evidence via youtube, they have a couple of options:

      they can either link to the source document directly and "tip their hat" to the youtube video; or

      they can link directly to the timestamp of the relevant source being mentioned; or

      they can do either of the above and

      If someone wants to waste other people's time instead of actually providing evidence, they can provide a 20minute video.

      As it was, the source for his 80% figure seems to be an article from the Telegraph – not included below his video with all the other links. Funny how the basis for his assumption isn't listed with the rest of his source data. The Telegraph article also seems to be paywalled. I'm sure it's just unfortunate.

      So we've gone from it being official govt figures, to a youtuber not even bothering linking to a news article I can't read.

      [RL: Bill provided a time reference: At about 10 minutes in, the NHS figures are presented. I tested all the links and encountered no problem or paywalls. Moderation has been working to encourage cites and your initial sneering response, lacking any argument or detail, was not needed. Personally I do not do Twitter and you seem to have a thing against YT, but both are frequently used and that isn’t going to change.]

      • McFlock 14.1.1

        other half test – fail
        other half bullets removed -fail
        no colons – pass

        Now, I can offer a way that the two positions are conflicting with the same data-

        20% might be the primary diagnosis with no secondary diagnoses. Covid, nothing else. Nothing, not even a sixth finger or scabies.

        47% have a primary diagnosis of covid, with other secondary diagnoses of varying complexity

        33% have covid as a secondary diagnoses, with their primary ailment as primary dx, or they caught it in hospital.

        But then that would rely on lazy, unfamiliar, or outright misleading analyses on the part of the newspaper's source.

      • RedLogix 14.1.2

        Mod note for you.

        • McFlock 14.1.2.1

          You tested all the links. Was the telegraph link in the section below the video?

          because I'm still getting

          Just one fifth of the weekly rise in Covid inpatients was caused by people admitted to hospital because of the virus, figures suggest. …

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          "About 10 minutes in", NHS figures for admissions are presented, but then factored down with the "20%" figure from the telegraph (a link only visible as far as I can see at the bottom of the paper in the video, and had to be hand-transposed into the browser to find I wasn't allowed to read the article).

          There appears to be a fundamental citation gap in that argument, let alone from anything based on official figures for the 20% claim.

          [RL: Your carping about paywalls is easily addressed in a few seconds work with a search engine. I’m not going to do that for you. In the meantime you have failed to acknowledge my original moderation warning and are now heading into ‘wasting my time’ territory.]

          • RedLogix 14.1.2.1.1

            Mod note

            • McFlock 14.1.2.1.1.1

              Didn't realise it was a warning, and still can't find the telegraph source from the video in the links you reckoned worked fine. But now I know, so I'll leave it.

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