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Open mike 03/05/2019

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  1. AB 1
    3 May 2019 at 7:54 am

    Morning all. Juan Guaido here. That's G U A I D O, in case you're not familiar with the spelling. It's now or never. Operation "Enduring Hydrocarbons" enters a new phase today. Our removal of the illegitimate dictatorship starts at 11.30am outside Devonport Naval Base. Get along there Aucklanders! Bring a packed lunch and a rain jacket. Cash donations also welcome.

  2. Incognito 2
    3 May 2019 at 7:55 am

    Avengers: Endgame for scientists.

    Gravitational waves hunt now in overdrive

  3. Dennis Frank 3
    3 May 2019 at 8:02 am

    Is it even possible for Maori to be racist towards each other?  Some folks seem to believe it is:  "National Party deputy leader Paula Bennett has accused Minister Willie Jackson of racism, saying he questioned whether she's Māori enough."  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/willie-jackson-paula-bennett-locked-in-fierce-racism-row.html

    And how can we tell if someone is Maori enough anyway?  Genetic analysis?  Ought there to be a public record of their exact percentage for funding purposes, perhaps part of the census?  Interesting road opening up here, but ought we to head down it?

    "Jackson's Labour Māori caucus colleague Peeni Henare went further, actually questioning whether Bennett is Māori enough."  Big call, claiming the second question is further than the first, but that's journalists for you.  Just questions so far.  No actual judgments.

    • Rosemary McDonald 3.1
      3 May 2019 at 8:33 am

      "I haven't seen her contribution to the community for Māori kaupapa, I haven't seen her on the marae, I haven't seen her dry dishes, I haven't seen her do a karanga – therefore, it should be raising the question," he said.

      Henare manages to tick at least two boxes with this.  Bennett (who is a sad apology for a human being) is condemned as being not Maori enough by a Maori male because she doesn't behave the way he thinks a Maori woman should?

      Sigh.

      Criticise the woman for her many, many appalling words and actions as a politician, but damning her because she fails to fit his view of an acceptable Maori woman is a sacking offense.

      Stupid men.  Poor Ardern having to sort this one out.

      • Dennis Frank 3.1.1
        3 May 2019 at 8:43 am

        Turns out there was context that the Newshub report didn't mention:  "How does he [Jackson] determine whether the Māori in the Mana in Mahi programme are Māori enough to be counted?" she asked after Jackson said of the 143 clients have been placed in the programme 75 participants – some 52 per cent – identify as Māori."

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12227351

        Henare's position is also expanded here:  ""blood quantum simply isn't enough" when it comes to being Māori.  "I've always felt that you have to reach a threshold of need, participation and contribution in Māori Kaupapa. If you don't, of course, questions are going to be raised."  He said he was "more than happy" for those questions to be raised of anybody who claims to be Māori who does not meet that threshold."

        Science would measure the blood quantum via genetics, but he's making it clear that there's a cultural determinant that applies equally.  Where does that leave urban Maori who have evolved several generations since the colonial era, many of whom apparently become disconnected from their tribal roots?  Required to re-enculture themselves to qualify?

        • solkta 3.1.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 9:04 am

          Science would measure the blood quantum via genetics,

          No, Social Science would look at culture. Biology has nothing to do with it other than the person having a Maori ancestor.

          • Dennis Frank 3.1.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 10:53 am

            You really believe blood is a cultural construct??  Most people believe it is a physical thing.  Science usually proves stuff by examining physical evidence.  Seems like Henare is acknowledging that via his reference:  "blood quantum".  He then includes culture as part of identity.

            His application of both/and logic seems appropriate to me, yet your comment excludes the biological part of Maori identity.  That seems wrong.  Why do you disagree with Henare?

            • solkta 3.1.1.1.1.1
              3 May 2019 at 12:55 pm

              No, blood is a red liquid that transports oxygen and nutrients through the body.

              Social Science studies the shared ideas of social groups and how people identify as part of a group.

              Maori get to define what "Maori" is not some racist Pakeha prick like you using racist Pakeha ideas about 'race'. To be Maori a person must have at least one Maori ancestor, as i said, and identify as being Maori. That is the way it has always been.

              Henare does not specify any particular amount of 'blood quantum' and i assume this is just a clumsy way of saying some genetic heritage. Henare would be out on a limb with his other comments about level of involvement, i would think. Jackson said as much.

              Again i am not sure if you are being stupid or just the shit stirring prick that you obviously are.

              • alwyn …
                3 May 2019 at 1:09 pm

                "Maori get to define what "Maori" is".

                Fascinating. Does that mean that Bennett is entitled to decide that neither Jackson nor Henare is a Maori? Would that mean that Peeni Henare would be disqualified from being an MP from a Maori electorate seat and that there will be a by-election?

                Or can only a Labour MP make such decisions and what you really mean is that some animals are more equal than others, as Orwell would put it?

                • solkta …
                  3 May 2019 at 1:15 pm

                  It is defined in Tikangi. I use "Maori" in a collective sense. You might not know it but we don't say 'Maoris'.

                   

                  • alwyn …
                    3 May 2019 at 1:49 pm

                    Even I know that.You surely don't imagine that you are a unique source of knowledge about such things do you? So what? It doesn't change the question. Who get to make the call? You surely aren't going to tell me that it must be unanimous are you?

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 1:58 pm

                      "The call" was made a very long time ago when Maori first started breeding with Europeans.

                    • alwyn …
                      3 May 2019 at 2:52 pm

                      Well that is certainly a masterpiece of Delphic ambiguity. Given the names Jackson, Peters, and Bennett it is pretty clear that they had ancestors who indulged in the activity. The jury is still out on whether Henare qualifies.

                      Doesn't answer the question of course.

                       

      • ankerawshark 3.1.2
        3 May 2019 at 9:30 am

        Completely agree Rosemary

      • marty mars 3.1.3
        3 May 2019 at 9:38 am

        + 1 yep – willie is a wanker – he needs to decolonise his mind.

        • solkta 3.1.3.1
          3 May 2019 at 9:40 am

          It is Peeni Henare who Rosemary is quoting.

          • marty mars 3.1.3.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 10:10 am

            Sorry. Both Peeni and Willie need to decolonise their minds – this 'not Māori' enough stuff is colonisation 101. 

            • Rosemary McDonald 3.1.3.1.1.1
              3 May 2019 at 10:47 am

              Exactly.

              Sigh.

              I know 'all's fair'etc. but even pakeha me sees this kind of shit as being just what The Man ordered.

              I am disappointed they both fell into it.

        • greywarshark 3.1.3.2
          3 May 2019 at 10:15 am

          Willie doesn't believe in being PC.   Sometimes I don't like his approach, but this morning on Radionz he made his point for not being a slang-free society.   A  bit of to-and-fro is more honest than rigid people complying with the conventions as well as the laws, and being completely shuttered and negative in their minds as to the humanity of the situation.

          • marty mars 3.1.3.2.1
            3 May 2019 at 10:25 am

            any anti PC person is a wanker too imo – willie loves the sound of his own voice is about his depth

            • greywarshark 3.1.3.2.1.1
              3 May 2019 at 10:43 am

              Being PC in everything is just so PC marty mars.   Good to keep on going round in circles, keeps you in touch with yourself, otherwise one can get lost in the harakeke.

            • cleangreen 3.1.3.2.1.2
              3 May 2019 at 12:09 pm

              Oh Marty you are also anti PC all the time !!!!!!
              never; – rubbish;

              So when will we see you as a PC?

              Never in my life.

              • marty mars …
                3 May 2019 at 12:27 pm

                You lost me but it's all okay – I am a full on card carrying believer in political correctness as it is known by its enemies and kindness as it is known by its friends. 

                • cleangreen …
                  3 May 2019 at 12:52 pm

                  Marty Keep it up and you may join the human race eventually. smiley

                  • marty mars …
                    3 May 2019 at 12:56 pm

                    I can say with surety that the word 'race', in all its lurid connotations, is one of my least favorite words – I might even be so bold as to put it at the top of my disliked words or perhaps the bottom depending upon my fickle mood.

    • solkta 3.2
      3 May 2019 at 8:51 am

      Obviously being Maori, as with any ethnicity, involves more than just having a genetic component. My grandfather was Scottish but there is nothing in the way that i live my life or understand the world around me that is particularly Scottish. I could not claim to belong to this ethnic group.

      It is always hard to know if you are as ignorant as you pretend to be.

       

      • greywarshark 3.2.1
        3 May 2019 at 9:11 am

        Being in the kitchen helping with the tremendous hospitality that Maori turn out for their cultural purposes is one of the Maori women's cultural activities, and the men set everything up, dig the hangi and set it up etc.

        It's just division of duties for the successful outcome to a function and not to be judged by pakeha women as not coinciding with their efforts to gain mana and standing for women who have had to fight their way up from a lower status than Maori women had.

        • solkta 3.2.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 9:14 am

          I think you meant to reply to Rosemary.

          • greywarshark 3.2.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 10:19 am

            I was just tacking myself on to the end with a general comment.  It sometimes interferes with the flow of the comments and replies to come in late and add something a bit different solkta.

            And agree Sacha.   I was stating what I have learned from having been on marae helping and been told and observed what I referred to in my earlier comment.

        • Sacha 3.2.1.2
          3 May 2019 at 9:15 am

          Not just women who dry dishes on marae these days. It is being used as a metaphor for humbly serving community.

        • cleangreen 3.2.1.3
          3 May 2019 at 12:24 pm

          Well said greywarshark.

          I have been on many marae events and my grandson is of Ngati-porau, of nga whanau me nga hapu o Ngati Porou, so I enjoy Maori serving of food with aroha and hospitality it is very warm.

          I speak very little Maori sadly, but my heart is there but the life is to short.

      • Sacha 3.2.2
        3 May 2019 at 9:12 am

        “It is always hard to know ..”

        Ignorance is as ignorance does.

      • vto 3.2.3
        3 May 2019 at 9:46 am

        solkta "My grandfather was Scottish but there is nothing in the way that i live my life or understand the world around me that is particularly Scottish. I could not claim to belong to this ethnic group."

        Can I suggest that you have it quite back-to-front.

        It isn't that scots have moved away from scottishness, it is that scottishness has moved forward to new places and cultural activities, thus re-defining that ethnicity.

        This idea that ethnicity has strict rules around what you have to do to belong grates like fingernails down a chalkboard. It makes no sense and I reject it. Humanity and its ethnicities have long been in a state of flux and change – immigrating, colonising, going to McDonalds, it never stops moving.

        Similarly with maori – it shouldn't be that you have to conduct yourself in certain ways to be that ethnicity, it should be that whatever activities you conduct in your life as a maori become a part of that ethnicity. This is, after all, how that ethnicity and its current cultural activities came into being in the first place…

        You have it all backwards imo

        • solkta 3.2.3.1
          3 May 2019 at 10:01 am

          it should be that whatever activities you conduct in your life as a maori become a part of that ethnicity.

          No it should be whatever Maori do as a group. Otherwise you are just talking about 'race'.

          I do get your point that culture is not static, but it has to be morphing from one set of parameters to another. Maori culture is obviously different from what it was pre European contact, but it is still distinct from that of other groups.  

           

          • vto 3.2.3.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 10:07 am

            "No it should be whatever Maori do as a group"

            But it is being done as part of that group – that was my point and why I said “whatever activities you conduct in your life as a maori”. Whatever one does with one's life is as part of that group. I don't see how one person's life can be separated out from the group like you suggest.

            • vto 3.2.3.1.1.1
              3 May 2019 at 10:20 am

              A little more to add:

              The principle I outline above is the exact same principle used by maori for various claims made under te tiriti for matters which maori previously had no knowledge of, let alone activity in. For example, radio waves.

              Willie Jackson is being empty-headed with his claims  and he should turn his mind to this principle, which he has supported countless times himself in the past. What a nincompoop

              • greywarshark …
                3 May 2019 at 3:22 pm

                He's a great little talker Willie J is.  

                My understanding of the the claims for the Treaty are that the tikanga is not set in stone;  the Treaty is a living thing, changing with times, developments, experiences and perceptions.   So the Treaty that was perceived at the time that it was signed, is still the Treaty at a different time but with some different perceptions about it.   The main one being that there was an agreement made to preserve and maintain elements of life.

                As for being a Maori, my understanding is that it is variable. There may be blood relationships, or it may be acceptance relationships through marriage or even if someone has been accepted as one of the group and become a sister or brother by agreement.   This then requires that person to fulfill family duties and responsibilities to that group, hapu or marae, if they want to be fully included.   It seems to me that it is a matter of heart, and acceptance, and mutual commitment.

                But all Maori aren't equal;  different groups have their own ways and perceptions.  One tribe may not accept someone from another.   And one of my relatives is both Maori and pakeha, pale skinned, from a South Island tribe.   Some of them are not fully accepting because of the pale skin.   When in Northland around 1950, that tribe's similar attitudes were isolating which led to loneliness.

        • Skunk Weed 3.2.3.2
          3 May 2019 at 5:03 pm

          I am a bit confused I am part Irish/Scottish/Greek/English on my mothers' side of the family, however a family DNA test has come back as mainly Iberian ie Spanish/Portugese and on my fathers side I am mainly Scottish & Maori so what does that make me ?

          Sounds like a whole heap of B/S IMHO ?

          • Halfcrown 3.2.3.2.1
            3 May 2019 at 6:58 pm

            "so what does that make me ?"

            Probably a well balanced decent person.

            Going off to a tangent my wife has done my family tree. There is a bit of Scottish, Irish and German in me.   I had to have a Cataract operation a few years ago and the surgeon said he was going to fit a Zeiss lens in my eye. I can now say honestly that there is a bit of German in melaugh  

          • BM 3.2.3.2.2
            3 May 2019 at 8:24 pm

            Genetics is a bit of a lottery.

            Your siblings may have common genetic ancestry, but what you end up with could be completely different from what your brothers and sisters have.

            Each individual inherits their own unique mix.

      • greywarshark 3.2.4
        3 May 2019 at 10:25 am

        solkta

        As an example of how threads can be disrupted and hard to follow when the reply doesn't state the original commenter, you at 8.51 am saying about being ignorant comes below mine at 10.15 am so you were not referring to me.  

        It seems it was referring to either Dennis F or Rosemary M further up at 3.1…

        • solkta 3.2.4.1
          3 May 2019 at 1:21 pm

          The indent shows plus it says in the "Comments" list which is surely where most start from.

      • marty mars 3.3.1
        3 May 2019 at 10:22 am

        The non apology – it's attitudes like jackson expresses, those distorted views, that directly contribute to the appalling statistics young Māori are over represented in – disgraceful.

    • Sacha 3.4
      3 May 2019 at 9:18 am

      "Interesting road opening up here"

       

      There is nothing remotely interesting or useful about dinosaur racism. Keep it to yourself.

      • Dennis Frank 3.4.1
        3 May 2019 at 10:21 am

        People who think racism ought not to feature in public discussion are rare nowadays.  You part of a dying breed??

        • Sacha 3.4.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 11:14 am

          Anyone who uses the words 'blood' or 'quantum' is not adding anything useful. Back under that rock with you.

          • Dennis Frank 3.4.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 11:23 am

            Look, if you want to criticise a Labour MP then do so directly, like Marty.  Being so oblique just makes you seem dishonest.  And since when have you ever tried to add anything useful to this site??  All you seem capable of is random misunderstandings of the discourse.

            • Sacha 3.4.1.1.1.1
              3 May 2019 at 11:32 am

              You have taken Henare's stupidity and run with it. Above you have said things like:

              "your comment excludes the biological part of Maori identity. That seems wrong."

              and

              "Ought there to be a public record of their exact percentage for funding purposes, perhaps part of the census?"

              which is inexcusably ignorant in this day and age. Life is too short to put up with fools polluting the public pool. Such nonsense would be warmly welcomed at Kiwibog.

              • Dennis Frank …
                3 May 2019 at 12:00 pm

                So explain why you disagree with the Labour minister's reference to the biological part of Maori identity, and why you disagree with applying a metric to that.  And why you lack a sense of humour.  🙄

                • greywarshark …
                  3 May 2019 at 1:49 pm

                  Dennis F

                  You are so sure of yourself.   You might remember the quote about who are fools and who are wise.   When you start talking about Maori proving that biologically you are going back over arguments made decades ago, even a century.  

                  If you know so little about Maori matters better you stay out of giving your opinions – you haven't got up to first base and need to go away, read up and learn.   Everybody needs to do some homework for themselves so they can discuss from the point of view of some appropriate authority.

                  • Dennis Frank …
                    3 May 2019 at 2:24 pm

                    So does that mean you didn't notice that the Labour minister referred to "blood quantum"??  Or do you think blood is not biological??

                    Did you also not notice that I mostly asked questions?  Which of my opinions are you actually referring to?  Did you notice that respondents failed to address what he actually said?  Do you think such evasion of political comments is what this website ought to feature, and if so, why?

                    If you get my drift, it ain't about me at all, no matter how hard some respondents are trying to spin it.  It's about the news!

                    • greywarshark …
                      3 May 2019 at 3:36 pm

                      It is a good thing for a pakeha to sit back and let Maori sort matters out between themselves.   Feelings and tikanga, expectations and resentments may have to be worked through and require a truce between them to their mutual resignation.  

                      That is for them to work out.    You can't cut perceptions into thin slices and put them under a microscope.    Until you are required to make a decision because you are in a position requiring decisions or legality, then it would be discerning of you to remain politely in the background. 

                      If as a pakeha, you have seen the strong feelings that can arise after the death of a parent between the various siblings, you might have an idea of the emotional aspect to be worked out in relationships.

                      Who is the she who was trying to boss you?

                    • Dennis Frank …
                      3 May 2019 at 4:29 pm

                      Sacha @ 3.4 & 3.4.1.1 and she seems to be coming from a pc position, which I'm allergic to.  I get where you're coming from.  Unfortunately, to me it looks and smells like censorship.

                      So my stance is that I have as much right to comment on cultural & political matters in Aotearoa as anyone else.  To the extent that Maori stuff affect us, I comment on that. If it doesn't affect the pakeha world, I don't.  This item does.

                      The reason is that a new bit of political culture was invented by the three Maori MPs involved.  You will see that I introduced the topic with a question that goes straight to the heart of it.  The significant point is that nobody has answered the question!!  I've seen that pattern since I was a child in the 1950s.  Adults would freak out when I asked a simple question or made a simple comment.  They would literally freeze, with a look of fear in their eyes.  Somehow, I was born with an uncanny knack of uttering the unspeakable.

                      Nowadays they call it speaking truth to power.  When the power lies in social convention, speaking truth shatters it, enabling progress.  Those in denial of Maori racism voiced against Maori will studiously continue to evade what has actually happened.  It's part of the traditional leftist preference for delusion over reality.

            • cleangreen 3.4.1.1.1.2
              3 May 2019 at 12:27 pm

              Dennis,

              Bossy bossy you.

              • Dennis Frank …
                3 May 2019 at 12:46 pm

                Huh??  Felt like she was trying to boss me, actually.  Can't you recognise push-back when you see it?

                • cleangreen …
                  3 May 2019 at 12:57 pm

                  Dennis you are very prominent on blogs and that shows you are very opinionated, and 'that is trying to boss' by sheer inference.smiley

                  • Dennis Frank …
                    3 May 2019 at 2:26 pm

                    Oh, I see.  Could say the same for you, eh?  Takes one to know one!  smiley

          • Gabby 3.4.1.1.2
            3 May 2019 at 4:08 pm

            Every so often I get just a wee whiff of eau de fascist off ol' franko.

            • Dennis Frank 3.4.1.1.2.1
              3 May 2019 at 4:36 pm

              And yet I've often mentioned here that my political praxis has been anti-fascist since 1970.  Funny, eh?  😎

              • solkta …
                3 May 2019 at 4:40 pm

                Yes it is funny that you are such a fucktard that you don't understand your own ideas.

                • Dennis Frank …
                  3 May 2019 at 5:16 pm

                  Leftists thinking centrists are rightists is way funnier.  No wonder they struggle to figure out which way is up.  Reality is so hard for such dimwits to grasp, as you keep on demonstrating…

                  • solkta …
                    3 May 2019 at 5:37 pm

                    You don't seem to even know what you think you are let alone what you actually are. Yesterday you were claiming to be Green, but while the Green Party dose not generally identify as being Left it very certainly does not identify as being Centrist.

                    • Sacha …
                      3 May 2019 at 6:46 pm

                      You can imagine how the other Greens felt with a shithead like that in the nest. Fly away, grey cuckoo.

                    • Dennis Frank …
                      3 May 2019 at 7:21 pm

                      I've told the history of that here several times over the past few years.  The Values Party schism in the mid-seventies was caused by the leftists and centrists being unable to do consensus.

                      I was too radical that decade to join either group.  I persuaded the Greens to go left in '91 when Jeanette Fitzsimons led a session on the question at our conference.  My reasoning was that the Bolger govt had already captured several leading environmentalists, so we had to form a viable alternative.  Nobody wanted Labour (due to Rogernomics).

                      There's always been many in the Green Party who prefer non-alignment, but the conference decision was pre-MMP and we had a binary choice only.  Russel Norman's straw poll at the 2015 conference (65 in the session) showed the leftists were half the number who put their hands up for the traditional Green position (neither left nor right).  I saw that happen.

                      The problem with people like you & Sacha is the perennial one of always operating from the position of ignorance, while pretending to know stuff.  Sad the way the leftist belief system makes many adherents delusional.

                    • Pat …
                      3 May 2019 at 7:22 pm

                      and yet it is

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 7:30 pm

                      @sacha

                      He likes to pretend that he has some significant history with the Greens but from what he has said on here it seems that had some involvement in the very early years but then left as he was not a good fit at all. The crap that he has talked today about 'race' would have gone down like a lead balloon both then and now, as would most of his ramblings.

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 7:39 pm

                      @pat

                      Is your reply to me?

                      Yet they are Left or Centrist??

                    • Pat …
                      3 May 2019 at 7:44 pm

                      yet they are centrist…as are their voter base…a more middle class party would be hard to find…their one saving grace is in danger of disappearing altogether.

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 7:52 pm

                      @Pat

                      The Greens cannot be Centrist as their policies are more Left than Labour's. Winston is Centrist and he is currently fucking up most Green policy objectives.

                      Centrist does not mean "middle class" and Left does not mean exclusively working class. Karl Marx was very middle class for fucks sake.

                      The Greens come to the same place as the Left on social policy, they just get their by a different route.

                    • Pat …
                      3 May 2019 at 7:58 pm

                      "The Greens cannot be Centrist as their policies are more Left than Labour's."

                      Are they?..and even if they are Labour are hardly 'left' as they subscribe to neoliberalism…as stated the Greens are , and are supported by the middle class as their voter demographic displays…but you keep telling yourself otherwise, it may come true one day

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:00 pm

                      To explain it another way, when Greens say they are not Left or Right they mean that they don't really fit on that spectrum. Centrism fits on that spectrum, right in the middle of it. 

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:09 pm

                      @Pat

                      The Greens have had a policy for Capital Gains Tax longer than Labour and still do. The Greens are responsible through their agreement for the welfare changes announced today. I can't be fucked giving you more examples but there are many. You can go to the relevant websites and compare. 

                      Yes Labour are not as left as they once were, the Greens are further left, if measured on that spectrum, like i said. Left and Right are only relevant to the context so in NZ Parliamentary Politics today Labour are still left of centre.

                      And also like i said Centrist does not mean middle class. Have you not heard of Karl Marx? There are huge numbers of lefty middle class people. There is also a significant number of working class people who vote National.

                    • Pat …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:12 pm

                      Karl Marx?…wasnt he the brother that couldnt act?

                    • Sacha …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:15 pm

                      "He likes to pretend"

                      Yep, a whole lot of figjam pretension.

                    • Pat …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:22 pm

                      I have ignored much of the Greens nonsense and voted for them the past 3 elections for one reason only, climate change…if they fuck this opportunity up they will never see my vote again….the question you have to ask yourself is how typical am i?

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:31 pm

                      @Pat

                      It will be Winston who fucks the Climate Act if anybody. The Greens could bring the gummint down over it, but that would lead to a hugely messy election and probably a Nact led gummint.

                      No you are not typical of a Green voter. There is about 6% of the vote that is core Green. After that they mostly take votes from Labour. When labour could not find an effective leader people walked to the Greens, and then back again when they finally did.

                       

                    • Pat …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:35 pm

                      lf i have voted Green the previous 3 elections im part of that core vote…you cannot know how typical my attitude is…and nor can the party…time will tell.

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:41 pm

                      @Pat

                      When i say 6% are "core Green voters" i mean voters who support the Green Kaupapa. By saying I have ignored much of the Greens nonsense and voted for them the past 3 elections for one reason only, climate change you are making it very clear that you are not a core Green voter. 

                      I have voted for them in every election where they have been an option as i have always supported most of their policies.

                    • Pat …
                      3 May 2019 at 8:58 pm

                      oh dear you are truly delusional…the Greens received approx 6.3% of the vote last election , or 162000 party votes….whats membership?..id suggest significantly less. probably around 10% of that figure….thats your Green Kuapapa, not the votes.

                    • solkta …
                      3 May 2019 at 10:53 pm

                      @Pat

                      Had you considered that you might be part of the 0.3%.

                      The Greens peaked at i think 12.6% in the polls and that was directly after Metiria's speech. They picked up some lefty vote on the back of that. Then Metiria lost control of the narrative and Ardern became Labour leader and went hard on Climate Change, Fresh Water and Child Poverty. 4-5% (percentage points) went back to Labour and 1-2% of swing voters got the frights. The Greens dropped back to mostly their core vote. 

                      If you think you can sort Climate Change without caring about people then best you buy a gun. You will need it. France has started down that road.

                       

              • Gabby …
                3 May 2019 at 6:02 pm

                Don't gnosis all that funny franko.

            • Drowsy M. Kram 3.4.1.1.2.2
              3 May 2019 at 5:41 pm

              Don't know about 'facist', but this lefty’s noticed franco’s rather fond of labels.

              It's part of the traditional frank preference for delusion over reality.

    • Grantoc 3.5
      3 May 2019 at 9:36 am

      Dennis

      Ask Willie Jackson; he's is the self appointed expert in determining who is or is not Maori.

      Furthermore you could ask him what methodology he uses to make such a determination.

    • Jenny - How to get there? 3.6
      3 May 2019 at 11:46 pm

      Is Hone Harawira Maori?

      |Is Willie Jackson Maori?

      Of course they are, 100 percent of the time.

      In my opinion Paula Bennet is Maori when it suits her, and not when it doesn't.

      That is, she plays on her heritage when there is a political advantage to be made from it. But mostly ignores it.

      Paula Bennet raises the objection that being Maori is not defined by being able to speak Maori. 

      And she is right.

      And I know that for many with all the will in the world, it can prove to hard to pick up the reo, especially if you have been raised exclusively in the Pakeha tradition.

      Bennet has a point there. 

      But for anyone who ever wanted to get in touch with their Maori Heritage, surely Paula Bennet has had more than enough opportunity to learn Te Reo, that is, if she wanted to.

      I mean, despite being in a relatively well paid job, (opposition MP), with relatively little to do and able to set her own agenda. And presumably, with the pick of professional support, able and willing to walk her through it. (If she chose to avail herself of it) has she ever tried to learn the language?

      Has she ever taken the time, has she even ever made the effort?

      I think if she did, it would be the making of her. 

       

  4. Dennis Frank 4
    3 May 2019 at 8:15 am

    "Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has been called upon to lead the war against killer robots."  What, harangue them to death??

    "Mary Wareham, advocacy director of the Arms Division of Human Rights Watch, is leading the global campaign to ban fully autonomous weapons…  Wareham said New Zealand is the only country in the world to have a Minister for Disarmament and Arms Control, referring to Peters.  Asked if the world needs Peters to lead the war on killer robots, Wareham responded: "Certainly. I think he would be an excellent leader.""

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/winston-peters-called-upon-to-lead-war-against-killer-robots.html

    Well, okay, Aotearoa leading the way is excellent, but Winston probably ought to delegate the task to Arnie – who knows the scene inside-out.  He said he'd be back, eh?  Now's the time!

    • Psycho Milt 4.1
      3 May 2019 at 9:21 am

      Wtf?  Haven't they seen those Terminator movies?  A war against killer robots is a terrible idea!  Humans are squishy and easily disabled, no match for robots at all.  Wouldn't it make more sense to just not build the killer robots in the first place?

  5. Dennis Frank 5
    3 May 2019 at 9:16 am

    "The Justice Select Committee is currently considering a bill to establish the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC), which would review convictions and sentences and decide whether to refer them to the appeal court.  Currently, if someone believes they have suffered a miscarriage of justice they can apply to the Governor-General, who seeks advice from the Minister of Justice, for exercise of the Royal prerogative of mercy that can be used to grant a free pardon or to refer a conviction or sentence back to an appeal court."

    So a less-paternalistic option.  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112421737/mps-urged-to-not-appoint-judges-to-commission-for-miscarriages-of-justice

    "Nigel Hampton QC, forensic science consultant Dr Anna Sandiford and investigator Glynn Rigby, submitted for the New Zealand Public Interest Project.  They endorsed the idea of a Commission, but urged caution with appointing judges and suggested adding a provision to allow an appeal after death.  In their experience miscarriages of justice usually revolved around poor or inadequate investigation, forensic science, legal defence and sometimes overzealous prosecutors."

    I'm pleased to see this group lobbying for a body more representative of the public.  The legal establishment has often victimised people in the past.  I first suggested a public accountability mechanism in 1991 when I wrote the second draft of the Greens justice policy, as convenor of their justice policy working group.  Andrew Little's proposal is a weaker alternative, but it will improve the current system.  Keeping the judges out of the review group would serve the public interest, but allowing one or two to participate as advisors could also work well.

  6. A 6
    3 May 2019 at 9:17 am

    OMG plant based beef has arrived!

    Gluten, soy and GMO, and most importantly meat free burgers are on sale from 7 May at BF 🙂  I can't wait to try it out.  Don't think I'll be able to totally eliminate meat (on a keto diet) but every bit counts. 

    Now if only we could get rid of packaging.

    • Psycho Milt 6.1
      3 May 2019 at 9:24 am

      There's no need for meat-free burgers in NZ.  Much of our livestock is grass-fed on land that wouldn't be suitable for growing crops anyway.  Or should be…

      • greywarshark 6.1.1
        3 May 2019 at 10:52 am

        Business news on Radionz this morning.   Investors very interested in new food non-meat business.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48110704

        Is plant burger firm Beyond Meat really worth $1.5bn?  The US firm, which counts actor and environmentalist Leonardo DiCaprio among its investors, will now offer its shares at between $23 and $25.

        The decision to increase the price from the original range of $19 and $21 indicates strong demand for the shares.

        But Beyond Meat is loss-making and does not know when it will report a profit.For its most recent financial results for 2018, Beyond Meat said losses hit $29.9m, slightly below the previous year but above a $25.1m loss in 2016…

        Beyond Meat is one of a number of so-called "unicorn" companies – which are privately-backed firms worth $1bn or more – to sell their shares to public investors this year.

    • cleangreen 6.2
      3 May 2019 at 12:35 pm

      yes A

      And get the BF foods sent by train not by ‘dirty carbon emissions trucks’ please.

  7. greywarshark 7
    3 May 2019 at 10:33 am

    While we discuss politics and racism there is 'humanism' to argue for – us against technology and its weaponisation and the increasing trend of technology to destroy our lives, gradually or suddenly.
    Dennis F at 4 also refers to this.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/388334/mps-urged-to-take-strong-stance-on-killer-robots

    And also the denial of rights and robbing of land and livelihood from people inconveniently positioned on land with uses for other people. 19th century the Highland Clearances in Scotland – large scale sheep farming over-turning the people’s smallholding-croft system.

    Today one example is Western Papua bandied around to major powers, with Indonesia hosting and a USA? firm mining copper on West Papuan land with reprisals against protest that have resulted in deaths. A seeker of info trying to find truth jailed.
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/388357/indonesia-jails-polish-tourist-who-met-with-papuan-rebels

  8. adam 8
    3 May 2019 at 11:19 am

    The empire does this to their own, what do you think your worth… 

     



  9. bwaghorn 9
    3 May 2019 at 11:53 am

    I cant reply 

     

    @ pshyco milt 

    Better enjoy it while it lasts . They are rapidly planting the hills killing off our way of life and you grass fed beef 

  10. bwaghorn 10
    3 May 2019 at 11:56 am

    I just watche a vid saying that all methane once its broken down into co2 created from cattle is used to regrow the pasture the cattle grew on . A continuous cyclel that adds nothing new to the atmosphere as long as cattlenumbers dont rise. .

    True ? Or bs ? 

    Keep it simple please 

    • The Al1en 10.1
      3 May 2019 at 12:19 pm

      I read that termites produce more methane than the worlds cow herd combined.

      I will do my bit for climate change by eating beef, but those bugs, you're all on your own.

       

      • Andre 10.1.1
        3 May 2019 at 12:36 pm

        A quick google suggests termites worldwide produce around 20 million tonnes of methane per year, around half of which is oxidised before it even leaves the mound.

        Whereas cows belch around 150 million tons per year of methane, all of which goes straight into the atmosphere.

        So cows are responsible for around 15x more methane than termites.

        • The Al1en 10.1.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 12:50 pm

          I'll have to search for the article I read when I'm home from work, as obviously, I wouldn't have mentioned it if I hadn't read it.

          • The Al1en 10.1.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 5:32 pm

            I can't find the piece I read the other day, which would have been mainstream and not dubious, but I had a google, too.

            I found a few things that were roughly stating the same thing, though some looked dodgy, the like 12 posts to back their questionable science, so I won't advocate for them here.

            I'm happy to be corrected by proper scientists and science, so if their consensus is termites aren't heavier methane producers than cows, so be it.

            A few sites put the emissions of termites way above the 20 million tonnes figure, but note the mounds and underground networks act as filters.

             

            Either way, I'll still eat meat, but not bug meat.

            • McFlock 10.1.1.1.1.1
              3 May 2019 at 5:40 pm

              Yes, eating insects or larvae is all well and good, but it's not for me.

               
              edit: unless they’re processed AF and look/taste/feel like fillet steak.

              • The Al1en …
                3 May 2019 at 5:59 pm

                Yeah, nah, I'd rather eat that fake crap in the supermarket which costs twice as much as cow mince but with only half the flavour… Or look at rabbit, dog and cat as a cheaper, tasty alternative.

                 

                • McFlock …
                  3 May 2019 at 6:07 pm

                  One thing that revolted me about soylent green was that they took actual meat and made it taste like tofu and lentils.

                  Oh, and the cannibalism, of course…

                • Andre …
                  3 May 2019 at 6:17 pm

                  The pigs are still gonna be in trouble though. I'm only gonna give up bacon when they pry it out of my cold dead jaws.

                  Cats- nah. Turning sunshine into protein in plants is horribly inefficient. Taking another step and running that plant material through an animal to make meat protein just compounds the inefficiency. Taking yet another step and running animal protein through an obligate carnivore to produce slightly different animal protein compounds the inefficiency yet again.

                  • The Al1en …
                    3 May 2019 at 6:22 pm

                    But there are so many of them in the hood, free range meat and all that.
                    The birds would thank you.

                    Agree about bacon, but I don’t eat it myself any more – Been called a pig so many times it’s like cannibalism.

            • Andre 10.1.1.1.1.2
              3 May 2019 at 5:48 pm

              Yeah, I can't quite get up any enthusiasm for eating invertebrates either.

              While I eat very little meat, I really can't be arsed with the effort and planning needed to get the full complement of nutrients needed from a fully vege diet. But I'll be quite happy to eat vat-grown animal cells processed into burgers and sausages and mince.

              • solkta …
                3 May 2019 at 5:59 pm

                I can't quite get up any enthusiasm for eating invertebrates either.

                I had a really yummy prawn curry last night. Does that count?

                • Andre …
                  3 May 2019 at 6:10 pm

                  Ewww. Prawns inhabit the same ecological niche in the sea that cockroaches do on land. Or is that lobsters? I forget. Not doing filter-feeders either.

                  • McFlock …
                    3 May 2019 at 6:11 pm

                    Hmm. the prawn thing is bringing me around to the idea. "Cockroaches: prawns of the basement". "Land prawns", maybe?

                    They did it with canola oil.

                • McFlock …
                  3 May 2019 at 6:10 pm

                  Actually, fair point. If cockroaches had a prawn texture, I might try them as long as they were peeled, de-legged and decapitated.

                  But locusts deep fried onna stick would be a bit of a stretch

                  • solkta …
                    3 May 2019 at 6:18 pm

                    In this curry they just had the tails still on. It is a little off-putting when they still have a face.

                  • McFlock …
                    3 May 2019 at 7:04 pm

                    Thinking about it (close to dinner time, after all), I've squished many a land bug, and none of them looked like raw prawns on the inside. Unless the goey innards turn solid when cooked, like an egg does?

              • The Al1en …
                3 May 2019 at 5:59 pm

                @Andre – See above lol

      • cleangreen 10.1.2
        3 May 2019 at 12:40 pm

        Allien how can eating meat be good for climate change?

        That just encourages raising more Cattle doesn't it?

        • The Al1en 10.1.2.1
          3 May 2019 at 12:55 pm

          Im happy to take a steak or burger for the team to get rid of all those cows, but veggies and veganauts, you animal lovers, if you plan to get rid of all the cows, are you happy to pull the trigger? And if you're not hypocritical about it, ignoring the obvious cognitive dissonance, why can't I eat what you slaughter?

        • Gabby 10.1.2.2
          3 May 2019 at 4:12 pm

          I think Al0on was being faecetious cleany.

    • Andre 10.2
      3 May 2019 at 12:28 pm

      Currently the methane concentration in the atmosphere is around 1900 ppb. Prior to the early 1800s it was very steady at around 700 ppb. The extra methane is responsible for somewhere around 1/4 to 1/3 the global temperature rise since the 1800s, and it's all due to human activities of various kinds, including vastly increasing the global numbers of ruminant livestock.

      Yes, it's true that methane oxidises to CO2 and water in the atmosphere, with a half life of around 8 to 12 years. (Half life means every molecule emitted has a 50/50 chance of surviving one half life,and a 1:4 chance of surviving two half lives, 1:8 chance of surviving 3 etc). But while that molecule of CO2 exists in the atmosphere, it is over 100 times more effective at trapping heat then the CO2 molecule it will oxidise into.

      The relatively rapid decay of methane means there's a fairly good "bucket with a hole in it" analogy for thinking about methane concentration. Imagine a bucket with a hole in it, and a tap filling it with water. The water flowing in represents the methane we're dumping into the atmosphere, the height of the water in the bucket represents methane concentration in the atmosphere, and the water flowing out represents methane getting oxidised to CO2 and water in the atmosphere. The flow of water out of the hole is a bit responsive to the water level, it flows a bit faster with a high water level, a bit slower with a low water level.

      Things were fairly well in balance up to around the 1800s at a fairly low tap flow, and a fairly low level in the bucket, and a low outflow. But when we turned the tap up by finding and burning fossil fuels and increasing agriculture all across the world, the water level rose dramatically. A big part of that turning the tap up was hugely increasing numbers of ruminant livestock. Now, if we choose to turn down the tap a bit, by decreasing ruminant numbers and/or finding ways to reduce methane emissions from ruminants, then the level of water in the bucket/methane in the atmosphere goes down, and the extra global heating reduces.

      • cleangreen 10.2.1
        3 May 2019 at 12:45 pm

        smiley Yep and stop using vehicles with internal combustion engines and oil derivatives to make tyres, so rail with steel wheels and electric locomotives is our future.

        • Andre 10.2.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 1:08 pm

          What is it with you that every topic needs to somehow get turned to trains? Was your childhood spent desperately wanting a train set to play with and you never got one for Christmas?

          • Drowsy M. Kram 10.2.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 1:36 pm

            Some 'love' trains, others prefer critiquing those with a bee in their bonnet.

            Takes all kinds…

          • greywarshark 10.2.1.1.2
            3 May 2019 at 2:04 pm

            No Cleangreen wanting trains is because of a large part of adulthood petitioning the government to grow some brains, and do the transport thing in a way that is sustainable and provides amenities that Vogel realised in early colonial times..   

            If you took any real interest in what people on this blog are really on about apart from just a way to keep you from ennui you would know this.  I think you come from the USA and no doubt things are different there.

            You don't get anything done in NZ unless you are prepared to keep on about it for a couple of decades.    If you ever want anything done that is good for the country Andre, don't ever think that you will get it for Christmas because Santa will see how good and right you are.  Down here in the Southern Hemisphere you have to make sure that you keep asking because your notes to Santa often get mislaid.

            • Andre 10.2.1.1.2.1
              3 May 2019 at 3:40 pm

              Wags asked about methane cycling in and out of the atmosphere and cows as a part of that cycle. Termites and methane is clearly a closely related topic. So WTF is the story with hijacking the thread to go completely off-topic to trains? It makes trying to follow the original topic and related topics very disjointed.

              Especially when it's so easy to just start a new separate thread about trains. Nobody is going to object to that. But thread hijacking is a really good way to get people's backs up.

              • greywarshark …
                3 May 2019 at 7:37 pm

                You said Andre: Now, if we choose to turn down the tap a bit, by decreasing ruminant numbers and/or finding ways to reduce methane emissions from ruminants, then the level of water in the bucket/methane in the atmosphere goes down, and the extra global heating reduces.

                That caught Cleangreens attention because he always reads your good comments, and then he thought of other ways to help the CC count of whatever go down plus the extra global heating reducing, and then he put in the bit about how using trains would be beneficial for that. So all quite easy to follow when you see the activist mind at work.

                Trains to Gisborne and the usefulness they will have towards saving fuel and carbon credits and so on are top of the bill for Cleangreen and rightly so being more important than lots of things we discuss. 

                And because we have to say everything to NZ politicians and planners a thousand times before they ever hear of the idea, Cleangreen is just bringing the count up.

          • BM 10.2.1.1.3
            3 May 2019 at 2:33 pm

            Because trucks are driving past his house and stirring up dust. If I remember correctly a quarry opened up down the road from where he lives.

            Being an older retired gentleman this is no doubt driving him nuts which are leading to the never-ending pro trains anti-truck ranting.

             

             

          • gsays 10.2.1.1.4
            3 May 2019 at 6:01 pm

            What is it about trains vs trucks?

            In no particular order: energy efficiency for moving goods up and down this skinny country

            less diesel pollution from the electrified part of the rail network,

            no rubber compound pollution from trains,

            the trucking industry subsidised by the rest of us to pay for the damage the trucks do to roads,

            trucking industry being poorly paid, hardly unionized and often exploitative of its workers,

            the damage done to other motorists when colliding with a truck.

            I am sure there are a few more.

            Nothing to do with wanting a train set.

            • Andre 10.2.1.1.4.1
              3 May 2019 at 6:32 pm

              Those are all good arguments to use in a thread about transport modes. But what is their relevance in a thread about methane cycles and cows?

              • Drowsy M. Kram …
                3 May 2019 at 6:45 pm

                "Another visit from the thread purity police, lol." – yes, it's a thing.

                Events seem to conspire to derail my life – why should a blog thread (on Open Mike) be any different?

                Someone else will have commented (over the years), but why is it "Open Mike" (< 2 million Google matches) rather than "Open Mic" (> 17 million Google matches)?  English/US difference?

                [Agree that ‘thread derailing’ is poor etiquette, so apologies for derailing the derail, just for a bit of fun.]

                • Andre …
                  3 May 2019 at 6:59 pm

                  The thread's all over the place now, nobody's gonna give a shit anymore.

              • gsays …
                3 May 2019 at 6:54 pm

                 Had just finished work and had a cantankerous manager have a crack.

                I picked up a touch of snark in yr comment and that was what I was responding to.

                To draw a long bow, those cows are generally about 'coz A, the are dairy and their milk leaves by truck or B, they are beef cattle and their protein leaves by truck.

                You can't have your methaney livestock in isolation.wink

      • bwaghorn 10.2.2
        3 May 2019 at 4:26 pm

        Good info but you didnt answer the question . 

         

        • McFlock 10.2.2.1
          3 May 2019 at 4:46 pm

          Remember, the (primary) problem is heat absorption. Because methane is 20 times more greenhousey than CO2 that part of the cycle increases global warming.

          But also, some fertiliser comes from fossil sources, so reintroduces more carbon compounds into the atmosphere in addition to the cycle.

          And lastly, there's the "what was the land used for previously" question: burning the rain forest to make a cattle farm releases most of the carbon that was sunk into tree mass.

          So the idea of "continuous cycle" is true to a point, but contributions to GW are often not as simple as that concept would suggest.

           

        • Andre 10.2.2.2
          3 May 2019 at 5:43 pm

          It's a factoid that's been taken out of its relevant context and used to hokey up some special pleading for some that don't want to take responsibility and make changes.

          As a standalone assertion, that methane rapidly oxidises to CO2, and that plants take CO2 out of the atmosphere to be eaten by cows that then belch methane back into the atmosphere in a continuous cycle, is correct. And it is also correct that if numbers of cows do not change (and other methane emissions do not change) then methane levels in the atmosphere won't change.

          But the context needed to understand the significance of that cycle is very important. First, methane levels now are nearly triple what they were throughout all previous human history, and the methane levels we have now are incompatible with maintaining a livable climate.

          The massive increase in ruminant livestock numbers we now have over what was present through all previous human history is a significant contributor to the extremely high methane levels we now have. Reducing ruminant livestock numbers is one of the easiest steps we could take to reduce methane levels.

          • Drowsy M. Kram 10.2.2.2.1
            3 May 2019 at 6:14 pm

            A quick Google revealed a recent (2019) paper (in a well-respected scientific journal) that suggests scientists still don't know enough to accurately predict trends in atmospheric methane concentrations.

            Interpreting contemporary trends in atmospheric methane
            Alexander J. Turner, Christian Frankenberg, and Eric A. Kort
            PNAS (Feb 2019) 116 (8) 2805-2813.

            "We show that net-zero cost emission reductions can lead to a declining atmospheric burden, but can take three decades to stabilize."

            https://www.pnas.org/content/116/8/2805.short

          • bwaghorn 10.2.2.2.2
            3 May 2019 at 9:34 pm

            Thank you . 

            Its important that facts are known and reported as such . 

            I run into ranting cockies alot and i want to be on solid ground if im going counter their shit . 

            Numbers i believe have peaked and will head down from here . 

            • BM 10.2.2.2.2.1
              3 May 2019 at 10:05 pm

              I'm guessing you saw the same video I saw, have a read of this comment

              Open Mike 04/12/2018

              • BM …
                3 May 2019 at 10:22 pm

                Fuck this new editor sucks donkey dick, it seems to want to truncate the URL, hopeless.

                I'll repost the comment

                 

                I put up a video about cows, methane and surprise, got accused of being a denialist

                I realize this is a touchy subject, but people probably misunderstood where I was coming from, I’m not a scientist or have vast in-depth knowledge of climate change.
                I posted a video which I thought was interesting as it was saying something completely different from what I’ve seen in the media and thought I’d put it up here and get feedback.

                Asking questions doesn’t make one a denialist.

                Now about methane

                Methane concentrations have increased from around 775 parts per billion in pre-industrial times to around 1800 now, due entirely to human activities

                In the video methane and ruminants(cows) was shown to be a natural cycle where methane was endlessly recycled and nothing changed and everything was kept in balance, obviously if more cattle are added then the amount of methane would increase.
                So I went and had a look to see if cow/beef numbers have increased massively in the past 50 years and surprisingly they’ve been rather static.

                That also got me thinking pre-industrial there must have been a shit tonne of natural ruminants like Bison, Deer etc. and before them big animals like mammoths which would have been belching out methane by the tonne as well as many wetlands which have been destroyed due to farming

                I then came across this article which I found interesting.
                https://lachefnet.wordpress.com/2016/07/03/la-chefs-editorial-methane-and-global-warming/

                The question the author was trying to answer was why methane levels didn’t start to rise until the industrial age.

                According to the author
                One reason methane levels remained flat was that cattle and other ruminants (wild and domesticated) lived in intact grassland ecosystems and helped build healthy soils that contain soil microbes called methanotrophs that reduce atmospheric methane (2). Thus maintained grassland ecosystems function as methane sinks, and bank as much as 15% of the earth’s methane (3) Tillage for crops reduces the soil’s capacity to bank methane (as does exposed uncovered soil) plus also releases carbon into the atmosphere (4). Use of synthetic fertilizers also adversely impacts soil methanotrophs (5). Glyphosate in no tilled systems according to industry funded research doesn’t impact soil microbial activity. Though research by other researchers contradicts this industry perspective and details how herbicides like glyphosate adversely change the makeup of soil microbes (6).

                If that is the case because all our dairy and beef is grass fed we do not actually have that much of an impact on global methane levels? should we even be paying carbon taxes?

                Or if we do shouldn’t it be more vegetable growers and not so much farmers?

                The author points the finger more at natural gas and writes.

                Meanwhile the methane from fracking and natural gas extraction, transportation and refining, in general, apparently has been underestimated significantly maybe by 5 times or 500% per some recent studies on this topic (9). Not to mention China is massively increasing their use of natural gas and fracking. Coincidentally, the largest increases in methane levels occurred in the 1960’s when natural gas use increased significantly- nearly ten-fold.

                 

                • solkta …
                  3 May 2019 at 10:40 pm

                  Oh god we have seen that shit on here before. I'm sure it was you who posted it too. It is Friday night, give us a break for fucks sake.

                  Robin Grieve, Act candidate for Whangarei. Act, the only party that has ever argued that buffer zones between GE and organic farms were viable. My suggestion was napalm every 30 seconds. 

                • solkta …
                  3 May 2019 at 10:44 pm

                  Yeah Bison and Deer all over Aotearoa. We have had that discussion before also. Mindless stuff.

        • greywarshark 10.2.2.3
          3 May 2019 at 7:47 pm

          FYI bwaghorn’s question waas:

          <i>I just watched a vid saying that all methane once its broken down into co2 created from cattle is used to regrow the pasture the cattle grew on . A continuous cyclel that adds nothing new to the atmosphere as long as cattlenumbers dont rise. .

          True ? Or bs ?  Keep it simple please </i>

          • Pat 10.2.2.3.1
            3 May 2019 at 8:05 pm

            the problem is that there are multiple sources of methane other than ruminants…a major contributor is the gas industry…which is unrelated to the flow argument and growing

    • greywarshark 10.3
      3 May 2019 at 1:57 pm

      It's never simple bwaghorn – about natural processes.

      What do you mean they are rapidly planting the hills killing off our way of life.   Do you mean that hillside pastures are being taken up by tree plantations?   Pinus radiata?  

      I understand that the idea of planting widely allowing grazing between once the trees have got established is probably the way to go.   But don't know for sure, and if so what species?    Is it possible for us to not have pinus but another one kinder to the soil.   

      Perhaps they should be planting big bamboos – not keeping on the old mousewheel of pinus radiata because – fast and it's what we know.    Couldn't there be some R&D money to help with trials for diversification that would be studied and published benefitting all with the information.

      • Graeme 10.3.1
        3 May 2019 at 3:17 pm

        I understand that the idea of planting widely allowing grazing between once the trees have got established is probably the way to go.   But don't know for sure, and if so what species?    Is it possible for us to not have pinus but another one kinder to the soil.   

         This was put to bed with a lot of trials by the old Forest Service in the 70's.

        Result – crap trees due to the wide spacing leading to too much branch / canopy and crap pasture due to the shading and water draw by the trees.  I think most of the trials were abandoned after less than 15 years, at least the one I had a little to do with at Tikitere was.

        • greywarshark 10.3.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 3:47 pm

          That is interesting.   So can't put trees in for plantation purposes wide spread.   What if the trees were like tagstase? and the animals could both graze grass and the tree, and get shade, and the farmer have some advantage from carbon credits from the tree left in situ?   Shade is going to be something that cannot be ignored with the advent of CC becoming hot as hell out there, which would be a variable not high at the time of the trials you referred to.

          What do you say about the scenario I put together for possible adoption in the coming years.   I guess the old Forest Service in the 70's was still steeped in p.radiata, so different tree – different result perhaps.   And edible.    And maybe more opportunity for understorey growth with other tree types as I think pinus kills and dries off undergrowth.

          • bwaghorn 10.3.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 9:39 pm

            Tagasaste would last 5 seconds around cows. 

            Heard of an area that has lost 100 000 stock units to trees lately . At roughly 1 job per 5000 stock units thats a massive whole in the community.  Less kids in schools less partners doing other work . Etc . 

            • greywarshark 10.3.1.1.1.1
              3 May 2019 at 9:50 pm

              That's a giant change of finances.    Not much coming in for 20-30 years so who would be parking so much finance in the trees for that long, and they might burn down.    Would they get insurance in the first place?

              Even when foreign money or aggregation of farms happens, there are managers and workers required.    Going into trees like that will certainly take people out of the area.

  11. Dennis Frank 11
    3 May 2019 at 12:43 pm

    British local body election results are coming through:  https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-48131095

    Professor Sir John Curtice, "polling expert":  "There have been some remarkably good figures for the Greens so far, who on average are running at 12% of the vote in the wards that they are fighting, up 5 points on their performance in last year's local elections."

    • Dennis Frank 11.1
      3 May 2019 at 2:35 pm

      Update from Curtice:  "Note that in contrast to the position for Labour, compared with 2015 the Conservative vote is down much more heavily in the south of England (by 8 points) as compared with the north of England (by 2 points). If this pattern continues then Tory losses in the south of England tomorrow could still prove to be quite substantial."

  12. The Al1en 12
    3 May 2019 at 1:26 pm

    Labour are tanking at the moment, with 2 councils lost and -50 councillors.

    They may yet, even though polling at around 30%, win a general election, though it'll be more down to Farrage and his brexit it party bleeding support from the Tories at about 18% nationally.

    The lib dems are the nights winners, so far, which may also impede on labour in those 3 way seats they need to win to take a majority at parliament.

    • Drowsy M. Kram 12.1
      3 May 2019 at 5:58 pm

      “Labour are tanking at the moment…”

      Thanks for that BBC link, Dennis.

      As of 6 pm (NZ time): So far the Tories have lost 16 councils and Labour three.

  13. Kay 13
    3 May 2019 at 2:18 pm

    Welfare working group report just released. Perfectly reasonable recommendations but given this report only exists as part of the confidence & supply agreement with the Greens and would never have happened otherwise, it's safe to say the vast majority of it will be watered down, delayed or totally ignored, especially the raising of the core benefit rates. 

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/388392/recommendations-on-welfare-system-reform-released

    • greywarshark 13.1
      3 May 2019 at 4:33 pm

      Kat

      Keep questioning I think and they won't be able to get away with a watered down version.    It sounds so promising that i feel tremendously hopeful.  If there is a spark of old Labour to be dug around and watered, it might send up shoots and flower.    A thing of beauty and a joy forever.   

      Beneficiaries who work will be able to earn more before their pay is docked, and the sanction against solo mothers who don't name the father of their children will be scrapped, as the government begins its overhaul of the welfare system.

      If bennies can earn much more, then they can get themselves onto the work train when possible.   If they can get child sitting during school holidays then they can work that into an earning scheme that will provide those needed shoes, the sports gear, the inclusion of their kids in events at school.

      And not naming the father gives them the option of not including a ne'er-do-well into the family life the mother is trying to build.   He may know himself but won't have the department after him for money and it is better if the aim is to help the mother to become self-sustaining which is a good role model for the youngsters.   Not having a druggie, alcoholic or play-acting father around, will make for stability and will be likely to cut into the stats for domestic violence.   There is choice involved as to whether to have occasional visits or not if the father is a degenerate or just unreliable.   It is a blow to a child if a visit is set up and the child is ready and waiting, and the father doesn't turn up, or is drunk and disorderly, or is subtly demeaning of the mother’s efforts so the child is left idolising the idea of him as generous, and the mother as being unworthy, and not to be fully loved which would cut into the mutual support that builds good family ties and relationships.

      National bereft of effective positive ideas as usual with their usual expressions of negativity.   Louise Upston with this one:

      "National disagrees with the bulk of the report, which would see fewer obligations imposed on beneficiaries and fewer incentives to get back into work. 

      They still haven't caught up with womens lib yet.   To them it was university women's lib, so they could grab the well-paying jobs when available that came with perks like maternity leave.  Ordinary women were neither to share this bounty, or receive the respect due to mothers and partners trying to bring up healthy children, with values of honesty and kindness, with hope for a skilled job at a decent wage.   'Dragging up your kids' is the disparaging view of better-off National looking at lower income people's efforts, and they fund to match and perpetuate that malign view.

       

      • Kay 13.1.1
        3 May 2019 at 4:49 pm

        @Grey- my view of welfare does tend to be through the illness/disability lens, ie the one that rarely gets mentioned. Incentives to work mean absolutely nothing to a lot of us, but being able to pay for medical treatment without starving, does. That's not to say I'm not interested in what else is happening in general, but we don't tend to rate much of a mention. Besides, it's hard for the bashers to have a direct attack at us so no air time in the media either. I wish I could join you in feeling hopeful. But history dictates that, even if a few positive changes occur over the next few years, as soon as the government changes again- and being NZ it inevitably will- the first thing the Nats will do is attack welfare. 

        Something slightly amusing though- I noticed Stuff had opened their comments section for this story, so I posted a comment reminding them about their new policy of not opening stories about beneficiaries for comments, and was the temptation to let back in the bashers too much for them? Funnily enough the comments are now closed 🙂

        • greywarshark 13.1.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 5:41 pm

          Kay

          After reading your and Rosemarys comments i realise that I don't know much about the disability allowance.    The welfare net has been set far too high for anyone to be able to fall into it for years.   The stupid way that supplements etc were set up should have been adjusted for inflation at the beginning and often were not.   

          Anyway here is a cute little UK ad from the past about finding work that the increased front line staff might copy.

          Jobs for women.

            We might get something in the Budget but Ms Sepuloni doesn't sound promising.   'Staged implementation' makes me think of a performance of Shakespeares 'All's Well that Ends Well' .
           

          • Gabby 13.1.1.1.1
            4 May 2019 at 12:34 am

            Maybe Robbo will find it in his heart to throw more money at suffering property developers.

    • Rosemary McDonald 13.2
      3 May 2019 at 4:41 pm

      Announcement made…https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/112435767/government-to-scrap-benefit-sanction-for-solo-mums-employ-263-frontline-staff-to-help-beneficiaries-find-work

      Some improvement…getting rid of the sanction for solo mums who don't name the father and increase the amount earned before abatement but….sweet fa for anyone else.

      However, Sepuloni said the Government had decided against a recommended move to increase benefit levels by up to 47 per cent immediately so Kiwis could "live in dignity", and was instead "looking at a staged implementation" of change.

      It would also allocate $76.3 million for 263 new frontline staff with the sole "focus of helping more people into meaningful and sustainable work".

       

      So, it looks like more of the arbeit mach frei that the Nats were so fond of.

      When I saw the headline you linked to Kay I thought of you. I've said this before, but when Peter graduated from the Supported Living Payment to the Super we were actually able to save a few dollars while living almost full time in our Bus and largely free camping.

      That is how much difference there is between the SLP and Super.

      Maybe they're saving something for those on SLP as a Budget day headline?

       

       

      • Kay 13.2.1
        3 May 2019 at 4:55 pm

        @Rosemary, I'd like to think so but it seems pretty clear they're not going to increase any of the core benefits. The one thing they could do (and it wouldn't upset most of the voters either) is getting rid of that pathetic cap on the disability allowance, $62/week or whatever it is now. It hasn't been lifted for years. That would help a lot without having to roll things over onto TAS etc, minimise paperwork.

        My rent is now $30/week more than my core benefit so I'm existing entirely off the supplements which I'm maxed out on, and I doubt I'm alone…

        • Rosemary McDonald 13.2.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 5:17 pm

          The list of recommendations….

          Key recommendations of the welfare expert advisory group:

          • Increase main benefits by between 12 percent and 47 percent
          • Remove some benefit obligations and sanctions
          • Fully index all income support payments and thresholds annually to movements in average wages of prices, whichever is the greater
          • Index accommodation supplement rates to movements in housing costs
          • Consider introducing a living alone payment that contributes to the additional costs of adults living alone
          • Reform Working for Families
          • Reform supplementary assistance and hardship assistance so they are adequate
          • Ensure sufficient resourcing for frontline services
          • Help recipients of sole parent support return to part-time work when their youngest child is six years old
          • Prioritise a reduction in outstanding benefit debt through sustainable repayments and minimise the creation of overpayments, including reviewing recoverable hardship assistance grants
          • Instigate a cross-government approach to managing debt to government agencies

          Seems the government has largely ignored pretty much all of the suggestions.

          Mostly interested in happy- clappy headline grabbers.

          SSDD

           

          • Ad 13.2.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 7:10 pm

            A good Friday afternoon dump – to be expected from this lot, no matter what the party colour.

  14. Fireblade 14
    3 May 2019 at 4:07 pm

    It will be like a Royal Wedding.

    Congratulations to Jacinda Ardern and Clarke Gayford.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/112442442/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-and-clarke-gayford-engaged

    • Gabby 14.1
      3 May 2019 at 4:14 pm

      Sweet merciful god.

      • greywarshark 14.1.1
        3 May 2019 at 4:39 pm

        You sound very religious Gabby.    I guess we will all give thanks and prayers for their happy future together, both trying to multi-task, in a balanced modern relationship.  

    • Ad 14.2
      3 May 2019 at 4:20 pm

      Hopefully next year about 6 months from the election.

       

      And in the next term, another baby please.

       

      We're good for 50% plus and governing with either Greens or NZF on that.

       

      Nice white flowing gown with veil please. Maybe borrow Princess Di's dress.

      • indiana 14.2.1
        3 May 2019 at 5:21 pm

        Awesome…hope they do it MAF stylze!

        • Ad 14.2.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 5:26 pm

          For a third term, third child.

          So much better than any substantial policy at all.

          • Gabby 14.2.1.1.1
            4 May 2019 at 12:28 am

            Winston might veto a third child.

            • Incognito 14.2.1.1.1.1
              4 May 2019 at 9:38 am

              Why? He’ll get to be acting PM again. Don’t they have to make the job permanent of three fixed-term contracts?

              • greywarshark …
                4 May 2019 at 12:53 pm

                Do you mean so he can get his parliamentary super?  I think Winston is so super that has been allocated long ago.  And I think he deserves it as he has kept on making politics look vital and meaningful, at least some;times.

    • Fireblade 14.3
      3 May 2019 at 4:32 pm

      I hope someone's printing commemorative mugs and tea towels.

      • Rosemary McDonald 14.3.1
        3 May 2019 at 4:43 pm

        I hope you're joking.

         

        • Ad 14.3.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 5:28 pm

          It's going to happen.

          Dollar for dollar Labour donations so he can afford a 2 carat e grade vvs1 rock.

          It's all about the rock now people.

          • Rosemary McDonald 14.3.1.1.1
            3 May 2019 at 6:06 pm

            God almighty it just may be so.  frown

            I may have to go somewhere else for a while.

            A tune for a Friday, methinks…

             

             

             

             

          • patricia bremner 14.3.1.1.2
            3 May 2019 at 10:10 pm

            Ad the ring has been photographed and looks a simple tasteful affair.  Why so sour?  

    • Cinny 14.4
      3 May 2019 at 4:43 pm

      Congrats to them, that's fantastic news.

      • ankerawshark 14.4.1
        3 May 2019 at 5:34 pm

        Yes congrats to Clark and Jacinda.  Great news. 

         

        I hope they do it their way. Sure they will.

         

        LOL about the PR opportunities re the next election.

        Wedding 3 weeks out from election???????

        Seriously though, this plus the welfare reforms, very good news.

        I hope they go very very far!   And news in now Pike River agency think they have

        identified what has stopped them re-entering the mine……

        • Puckish Rogue 14.4.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 6:05 pm

          Except those pesky housing targets won't be met, the trees won't be planted and those child poverdy markers going the wrong direction isn't anything to be pleased about smiley

           

        • Anne 14.4.1.2
          3 May 2019 at 7:26 pm

          They will marry quietly and privately with no fuss. We will probably only find out after the event.

          My reason for saying so is because Jacinda and Clarke like to keep their private lives private and that is the way it should be.

      • patricia bremner 14.4.2
        3 May 2019 at 10:14 pm

        Thanks Cinny and Anne, for some decency.   I am missing veteuviper   and find much of the comment on here a little depressing and very sour,  so I am on holiday for a while from the Standard, and I notice a few other absences. Cheers.

    • The Chairman 14.5
      3 May 2019 at 6:36 pm

      It will be like a Royal Wedding.

      Their announcement is a timely distraction from the welfare report. 

      • Drowsy M. Kram 14.5.1
        3 May 2019 at 7:17 pm

        "Their announcement is a timely distraction" – too cynical?

        • The Chairman 14.5.1.1
          3 May 2019 at 7:33 pm

          A spokesman for the prime minister said the pair were engaged over Easter weekend.

          Yet, it was conveniently announced today. A day Labour once again fell short on public hope and expectations.  

  15. Morrissey 15
    3 May 2019 at 4:17 pm

    CIA puppet's attempted putsch backed by Trump, Abrams, Pompeo and           Bolton fails embarrassingly; U.S. state television (CNN) is flummoxed

  16. ankerawshark 16
    3 May 2019 at 6:13 pm

    PR you got your Slushies!  That would never have happened under Judith. A vote for her may endanger that.

     

    Yes  targets won't be met, but they are at least doing something.  If you care about those things PR don't vote for Judiths crowd, join Labour and put pressure on them to go further.

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  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago

  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    6 days ago

  • An equitable way to support business
    The Herald reports that the government is planning to lend billions of dollars to large businesses to keep them operating during the pandemic. As with mortgage relief, this is necessary: we need companies to stay in business, to reduce the economic damage and help things get restarted again when this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago

  • Hard News: Together Alone
    We're about to do something unprecedented as a nation. We hope that by taking this extraordinary action before a single life in New Zealand has been lost to the deadly novel virus we will save tens of thousands of lives. Our  lives. We'll do it together, in households, in isolation ...
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    7 days ago

  • Why timing is everything: ‘A time to refrain from embracing’ starts today
    “There is a time for everything,    and a season for every activity under the heavens.”So writes the author of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Old Testament that’s counted as a ‘wisdom’ book and written as if by an unnamed king of Jerusalem. But who would have thought there would be a time ...
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    7 days ago

  • Dealing with the Covid-19 Tsunami.
    I was surprised when the prime minister described the Economic Response to Covid-19 package as the ‘largest peacetime government spend in New Zealand's history’. Reflecting – checking through history – I realised that the term ‘spend’ was crucial and the package had no income tax cuts. Even so, it has ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    7 days ago

  • What about renters?
    The government today announced the latest part of its pandemic relief package: a six-month mortgage holiday for people whose incomes have been affected by the pandemic. Which is great, because these people are going to need help, and that's what the government should be doing. At the same time, it ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • Living within our means.
    Years ago the Argentine sociologist Carlos Weisman wrote a book titled “Living within our Means.” It was a critique of Argentine society that focused on the paradoxical question of why, in a land of plenty, there was so much economic instability, inequality, corruption and political turmoil. His conclusion was basically ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago

  • Transparency and the pandemic
    Parliament will be leading by example and adjourning tomorrow after a special sitting to consider an epidemic notice and state of emergency. Day-to-day oversight of the government will be delegated to a select committee. But that's not the only overight mechanism. The OIA will still be law, and (so far) ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • ‘Overjoyed’: a leading health expert on New Zealand’s coronavirus shutdown, and the challengin...
    Michael Baker, University of Otago Overjoyed. That’s not a word epidemiologists normally use, but that’s how I felt after hearing Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s announcement about New Zealand’s COVID-19 shutdown of everything except essential services for at least four weeks from midnight on Wednesday. More than anything, I just ...
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    1 week ago

  • One way to solve the housing crisis
    How much homelessness is caused by house hoarding? We're about to find out. The pandemic has destroyed tourism, which means that house hoarders who put their hoarded properties up as short-term tourist rentals are now offering them on the ordinary rental market:Property investors are pulling properties from Airbnb to offer ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • The pros and cons of planting trees to address global warming
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Bruce Lieberman It seems like such a simple, straightforward, empowering idea: plant trees – a lot of trees – all over the world, and watch the planet’s temperature fall. Who doesn’t love a tree or two, even far more – the right ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 week ago

  • Not a grand coalition, but a government of national salvation
    According to Newshub, Simon Bridges is open to joining a “grand coalition” with Labour as we hunker down to go into a month long lockdown. The idea is sound. Before now, the role of the opposition was to scrutinise and oppose. In the context of what almost amounts to a ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    1 week ago

  • Raise the Bar: hospitality workers & wage subsidy entitlements
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago

  • Lifting our game against COVID-19
    We need to be lifting our game against COVID-19. You and I need to help those working to prevent the spread of COVID-19 while they’re trying to lift the testing and treatment efforts. We don’t want to be playing this game running backwards. Best to play it solidly forward, from ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    1 week ago

  • The maths and ethics of minimising COVID-19 deaths in NZ
    Prof Tony Blakely, Prof Michael Baker, and Prof Nick Wilson The NZ Government must do more to clearly articulate its COVID-19 strategy: eradication or ‘flattening the curve’ mitigation. But to do so means understanding the maths and ethics of both these strategies. In this blog, we adapt our work for ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago

  • All aboard the Covid Train
    A few days ago I was starting to write something about the pandemic, which now seems unconscionable. It took the form of a letter to an agony aunt:“Dear Deidre, I have an ugly confession. I am quite excited by Covid-19.”This is how the piece went:“I’m not a psychopath, honest. Although the ...
    PunditBy Phil Vine
    1 week ago

  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #12
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Climate Feedback Article Review... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Reviews... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters The likelihood of extreme events ...
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    1 week ago

  • We are all socialists now
    Last week, the government announced a $12 billion initial package to support people during the pandemic. Today, the Reserve Bank is buying government bonds - effectively printing money - to keep up the money supply during the crisis. Normally such moves would have the right apoplectic. Instead, the National Party ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • A plea to experts: safeguard your role in public life
    I am a pundit, somebody who opines and comments on the news. There are no real qualifications to punditry though having a rudimentary way with words and good general knowledge helps. That is one reason there is a constant oversupply of would-be pundits and why it is quite hard to ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    1 week ago

  • Enlightenment when?
    I recently encountered the following prescription from a Faculty of Education at a leading New Zealand University. At first I wondered if it was another product of the postmodern generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/), designed to create gibberish in the postmodern form, but I’m told it is real: The “schooled” society: Towards the ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Corballis
    1 week ago

  • What the Crisis Can teach Us
    The coronavirus pandemic has of course had a major impact on individual lives and on societies as a whole. But, long after the crisis has passed (assuming it does), we will begin to realise that its real and lasting significance lies in the lessons it has taught us, if only ...
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    1 week ago

  • Hammering home measures to stop COVID-19
    COVID-19 has plunged Aotearoa New Zealand (indeed, the world) into territory that, while maybe not totally unprecedented, certainly hasn’t been seen during the lifetimes of most of us here today. Our borders are closed to non-citizens, we’re being told not to gather in groups of more than 500 outside/100 inside, ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    1 week ago

  • What does ‘level two’ mean – and why does it matter?
    For the last few weeks, I’ve been urging you to prepare yourself, your family, business, and community for Covid-19. Now it’s time for real action.  Yesterday the director-general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield announced another 13 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand, bringing our total to date to 52. ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago

  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #12
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 15, 2020 through Sat, Mar 21, 2020 Editor's Pick Now Isn’t the Time to Forget About Our Climate Change Efforts   Tasha Tilberg, Lindsey Wixson, and Liu Wen photographed ...
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    1 week ago

  • Is the Guardian becoming  a real newspaper again?
    by Jan Rivers The article has been corrected to show that it was Ewen MacAskill, former Guardian journalist and not Luke Harding who travelled to meet Edward Snowden with journalist Glenn Greenwald and filmmaker Laura Poitras.  Some of the Guardian’s well-known journalists who did not sign the protest letter are ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago

  • Life asserts itself regardless
    by Cultural Worker Late March 2020 amidst the virus. With gigs crashing and burning all around it was without much hope that I called a long standing rest home booking: “ Hi, I’m supposed to be entertaining at your place this afternoon – is it still on?” “”If you don’t ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago

  • Politics, the possible, and the pandemic
    Whenever people demand real change from their politicians, we're told that "politics is the art of the possible". The implication is that change isn't possible, so we'd better just get used to the sucky status quo. But now that there's a pandemic, a lot of things we were previously told ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • The Only Way Through This Crisis Is Together.
    Together: In leading New Zealand through the Covid-19 Pandemic, the Prime Minister could do a lot worse than allow herself to be guided by the spirit of collective sacrifice and co-operation that animated the New Zealanders of 80 years ago. Most Kiwis alive today have had no opportunity to prove their ...
    Bowalley Road
    2 weeks ago

  • GFC vs Covid-19
    It is said that generals fight the last war. In the case of the early stages of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) they had learned from the Great Depression of the 1930s and they fought intelligently and successfully. Later their advice would be ignored in favour of the Austerians who ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    2 weeks ago

  • Nobody Left Behind.
    Solidarity Forever: All over the world, the arrival of the Covid-19 virus has exposed the fragility of the walls we erect around ourselves and our loved ones. It has shattered our illusions of autonomy and revealed to us how utterly dependent we all are on other human-beings. Finally, we see ...
    Bowalley Road
    2 weeks ago

  • Rebuilding a truly “Democratic” counter, or a “moderate Republican” bolt-hol...
    Looking across the various arguments for/against the leading candidates to take the Democratic Nomination, you might honestly be very hard pressed to tell. There are a number of things that have now started happening since Amy Klobuchar and “Mayor Pete” Buttigieg both threw the towel in and immediately (and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago

  • Abortion law reform a win for women
    by Daphna Whitmore Abortion is no longer in the Crimes Act in New Zealand. The law reform passed yesterday and now abortion is a medical matter between a woman and her doctor. Many women’s groups and progressive people have campaigned for reform for decades. The women’s liberation movement and some ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago

  • How to spot bogus science stories and read the news like a scientist
    Doug Specht, University of Westminster and Julio Gimenez, University of Westminster When fake news, misreporting and alternative facts are everywhere, reading the news can be a challenge. Not only is there plenty of misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic, climate change and other scientific topics floating around social media, you also ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago

  • Why New Zealand needs to continue decisive action to contain coronavirus
    Michael Baker, University of Otago and Nick Wilson, University of Otago With some of the toughest border restrictions and a newly-announced NZ$500 million boost to health services, New Zealand is among a small number of countries with a strategy to contain the COVID-19 pandemic. New Zealand is also fortunate in ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 weeks ago

  • Parliament and the pandemic II
    As expected, the government has introduced a sessional order to allow Parliament to operate during the pandemic. You can read it on the Order Paper here, but the short version is that questions and motions can be filed electronicly, select committees can work remotely, and the the Business Committee can ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • When a virus goes viral: pros and cons to the coronavirus spread on social media
    Axel Bruns, Queensland University of Technology; Daniel Angus, Queensland University of Technology; Timothy Graham, Queensland University of Technology, and Tobias R. Keller, Queensland University of Technology News and views about coronavirus has spread via social media in a way that no health emergency has done before. Platforms like Twitter, Facebook, ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago

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  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 hours ago

  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago

  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
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  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    10 hours ago

  • Strong Govt books support ‘go hard, go early’ response
    New Zealand’s ability to go hard and go early in the fight against COVID-19 has been underpinned by strong Government finances and the growing economy heading into this global pandemic, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown financial statements for the eight months to the end ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago

  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
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    5 days ago

  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago

  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
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    6 days ago

  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
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    6 days ago

  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
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    6 days ago

  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
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    6 days ago

  • COVID-19: Rent increase freeze and more protection for tenants
    Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
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    6 days ago

  • Working together to protect businesses and workers
    As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
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    6 days ago

  • State of National Emergency declared to fight COVID-19
    A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
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    6 days ago

  • Prime Minister’s statement on State of National Emergency and Epidemic Notice
    Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
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    6 days ago

  • Deadline for domestic travel extended
    People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
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    1 week ago

  • Mortgage holiday and business finance support schemes to cushion COVID impacts
    The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
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    1 week ago

  • Government working to keep air freight moving
    Minister of Transport Phil Twyford has today announced details of the Government’s support package to keep key air freight moving and ensure New Zealanders retain access to essential goods during the four-week level 4 lockdown. “The Government is working with airlines and air freight operators to ensure New Zealand’s key ...
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    1 week ago

  • New Zealand moves to COVID-19 Alert Level 3, then Level 4 in 48 hours
    New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 3 – Restrict New Zealand to move up to COVID-19 Alert Level 4 – Eliminate, in 48 hours Two-staged approach to give people and businesses time to prepare  Level 3, from tomorrow Non-essential businesses must close All events and gatherings must be ...
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    1 week ago

  • Prime Minister: COVID-19 Alert Level increased
    Good afternoon  The Cabinet met this morning to discuss our next actions in the fight against COVID-19.  Like the rest of the world, we are facing the potential for devastating impacts from this virus. But, through decisive action, and through working together, do we have a small window to get ...
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    1 week ago

  • Govt takes significant economic decisions as NZ readies for Alert Level 4 in COVID-19 fight
    The Government is announcing significant further support for the economy, workers and businesses as the country unites to prepare for Alert Level 4 in the fight against COVID-19. Cabinet today agreed to remove the cap on the Government’s wage subsidy scheme, which will inject a further $4 billion into the ...
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    1 week ago

  • Govt backs RBNZ move to support economy with lower interest rates
    The Government is backing the Reserve Bank’s latest action to support the economy by reducing longer-term interest rates, meaning lower costs for businesses and mortgage holders, and a lower currency to help our exporters. The Minister of Finance has signed a memorandum of understanding and a letter of indemnity with ...
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    1 week ago

  • Government statement on commercial cooperation during COVID-19
    The Government has asked the Commerce Commission to take account of the exceptional circumstances created by COVID-19 when monitoring business behaviour in coming weeks.   “The purpose of my request to the Commerce Commission is to make sure businesses can work together in ways that will allow them to provide ...
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    1 week ago

  • New Zealand temporarily closes diplomatic posts in Barbados and Myanmar due to COVID-19
    The New Zealand Government has temporarily closed its High Commission in Bridgetown, Barbados and its Embassy in Yangon, Myanmar due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Due to the increasing scarcity of air links in and out of Bridgetown and Yangon, and the pressure COVID-19 is placing ...
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    1 week ago

  • Supporting Māori communities and businesses through
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    1 week ago

  • Guidelines for hospitality establishments released
    The Government and the hospitality industry have worked together to produce guidelines to assist with managing and reducing transmission of COVID-19, Health Minister David Clark announced today.  The guidelines developed between the Government, Hospitality New Zealand and SkyCity Entertainment Group, set out how the new restrictions on physical distancing and ...
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    1 week ago

  • Nation steps up to COVID-19 Alert Level 2
    Four stage Alert System for COVID-19 announced New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 2 – Reduce Contact New Zealanders over 70 and those with certain medical conditions told to stay at home as much as they can to reduce risk of contact with the virus Workplaces to implement ...
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    1 week ago

  • PM Address – Covid-19 Update
    Kia ora koutou katoa I’m speaking directly to all New Zealanders today to give you as much certainty and clarity as we can as we fight Covid-19. Over the past few weeks, the world has changed. And it has changed very quickly. In February it would have seemed unimaginable to ...
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    1 week ago

  • NZ and Singapore commit to keeping supply and trade links open, including on essential goods and med...
    New Zealand and Singapore have jointly committed to keep supply chains open and to remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker welcomed the commitment. “This is an important collective response, and ...
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    2 weeks ago

  • Joint Ministerial Statement by Singapore and New Zealand -Covid-19 situation
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  • Transit between Australia and New Zealand
    Travel restrictions, closing our border to almost all travelers came into force from 23:59 on Thursday 19 March 2020 (NZDT).  All airlines were informed of these restrictions before they came into force. Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway says “The transit of passengers between Australia and New Zealand has been agreed upon and ...
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