web analytics

Open mike 03/06/2022

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, June 3rd, 2022 - 87 comments
Categories: open mike - Tags:


Open mike is your post.

For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.

The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the Policy).

Step up to the mike …

87 comments on “Open mike 03/06/2022 ”

  1. Jimmy 1
    3 June 2022 at 9:05 am

    Sounds like the police had a good night last night in Pakuranga arresting 12 people. Good result as long as its not a catch and release policy.

    Pakuranga arrests: Residents 'frightened' after gang incident in east Auckland overnight | Stuff.co.nz

    And Andrew Coster apologises!!!!!! He's obviously getting some pretty harsh feedback from the front line officers.

    Police Commissioner Andrew Coster apologises after backlash from officers over pursuit comments | Newshub

    Reply
  2. Blade 2
    3 June 2022 at 9:05 am

    Mark Mitchell has had his meeting with Andrew Coster. According to Mitchell the meeting lasted two hours; was positive and Mitchell will respect the office of the police commissioner( why?). He wants police to get back to core policing.

    So fucking disappointing. I think of all the victims that crime will continue to churn out under Mitchell's watch as police minister. I really can't in all honesty continue to bag Poto Williams when her replacement will be little better.

    Sure, National may increase police numbers by 300. Open two closed police stations. Have a foot patrol every second day down Auckland's empty CBD. But that's just tinkering.

    1- Will they arm the police?

    2-Will they ban all gang patches in public areas?

    3- Will they build a huge super max prison so criminals who commit minor offences repeatedly with few consequences at present, can be jailed?

    Nope.

    Hell, I could cut drink driving offences by 20-35% overnight. I could get an 80% success rate in resolving who had killed a Maori baby. The whanau would be more than happy to cough up the offender.

    Then there's this paywalled BOPT headline:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/gang-member-prison-rates-at-seven-year-low-but-proportion-of-incarcerated-gangsters-increases/SFTUUA23F2VQKYDYDOQEGXFIQY/

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/pollies-mps-mark-mitchell-and-megan-woods-on-mitchells-meeting-with-andrew-coster-the-pacific-and-mahuta-and-the-latest-polls/

    Aotearoa…a gangsters paradise.

    Reply
    • Muttonbird 2.1
      3 June 2022 at 9:29 am

      According to Mitchell the meeting lasted two hours; was positive and Mitchell will respect the office of the police commissioner (why?)

      Would you prefer politicians with the police portfolio did not resect the office of the police commissioner?

      I don't think you would because this means police would be under direct control of the government which is, by definition, a police state.

      Mitchell has been told off for telling the police what to do in the media. He appears to have got the message which is good but his behaviour should worry all Kiwis; you can imagine the daily interference in police operations were he ever minister.

      Reply
      • Blade 2.1.1
        3 June 2022 at 9:35 am

        ''Would you prefer politicians with the police portfolio did not respect the office of the police commissioner?''

        Respect is earnt. When the commissioner is not doing a good job, that should be pointed out to him and options explored. Mitchell failed on that account. The Commissioner and his office are basically intertwined.

        ''Mitchell has been told off for telling the police what to do in the media.''

        I know nothing of this. Could you explain further?

        Reply
        • Muttonbird 2.1.1.1
          3 June 2022 at 9:50 am

          In this context respect is not earned, it is formally prescribed. See the two bullet points under definition 2 below:

          verb respect

          1. admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

            "she was respected by everyone she worked with"

          2. have due regard for (someone's feelings, wishes, or rights).

            "I respected his views"

            • avoid harming or interfering with.

              "it is incumbent upon all hill users to respect the environment"

            • agree to recognize and abide by (a legal requirement).

              "the crown and its ministers ought to respect the ordinary law"

          My reading was that in the meeting Mitchell had been asked by Coster to stop interfering in police operational matters via the media (told off). That's why he has said, "he will respect the office of the police commissioner".

          Reply
        • AB 2.1.1.2
          3 June 2022 at 10:05 am

          Respect is earnt (2.1.1)

          Eh? Mitchell supposedly said "respect the office". That's nothing to do with individuals – it's respecting the constitutional arrangement that makes police operational matters a no go area for politicians. As Muttonbird said – without that, you've taken the first step towards a police state. Most likely, Mitchell said "respect the office" to make it clear that he didn't respect the individual. Mitchell has always appeared to me as a sub-verbal, incipient thug – not surprising he needs something as simple as the importance of this constitutional convention pointed out to him.

          Reply
          • Pataua4life 2.1.1.2.1
            3 June 2022 at 10:28 am

            A reply to all.

            According to Mitchell the meeting lasted two hours; was positive and Mitchell will respect the office of the police commissioner

            I think you will find this statement was made in reference that he wouldn't talk about what was discussed in the meeting on the open airways and I can't find fault with that.

            As soon as Labour has gone so is Coster. History will show him a failure as is Poto Williams. Crime under Labour just like the public Service always goes up.

            Reply
            • Muttonbird 2.1.1.2.1.1
              3 June 2022 at 10:33 am

              I think you will find this statement was made in reference that he wouldn't talk about what was discussed in the meeting on the open airways.

              That would be a first time for Mitchell.

              Reply
            • Blade 2.1.1.2.1.2
              3 June 2022 at 11:10 am

              I wonder what was said off the record?

              Reply
              • Peter …
                3 June 2022 at 11:50 am

                Maybe off the record Mitchell told him that when the national/Act Government comes in they'll:

                1 – Arm the police

                2 – Ban all gang patches in public areas

                3 – Build a huge super max prison so criminals who commit minor offences can be jailed

                4 – Increase police numbers by 300.

                5 – Open two closed police stations.

                6 – Have a foot patrol every second day down Auckland's empty CBD

                7 – Cut drink driving offences by 20-35% overnight.

                Oh, and go along with ACT and liberalise gun laws.

                Reply
            • Drowsy M. Kram 2.1.1.2.1.3
              3 June 2022 at 11:17 am

              In mid-February 2021, Coster's efforts to combat gang and gun violence were criticised by the National Party's Justice spokesperson Simon Bridges, who described Coster as a "wokester commissioner" in a Twitter post.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Coster#Police_Commissioner

              Simon who? History will show who of those two was the greatest failure.

              Coster's decision to rule out "enforcement action" was criticised by the National Party's police spokesman Mark Mitchell, who claimed that Coster had lost credibility as Police Commissioner. On 2 March, Police evicted the remaining anti-mandate protesters following a violent riot.

              Seems you’re right P4L, not only would Coster be gone under a National party-led govt, I doubt that he would have been appointed in the first place.

              https://www.transparency.org.nz/blog/transparency-and-intelligence

              Reply
            • Incognito 2.1.1.2.1.4
              3 June 2022 at 11:31 am

              Crime under Labour just like the public Service always goes up.

              [links required]

              Reply
          • Blade 2.1.1.2.2
            3 June 2022 at 4:03 pm

            ''Eh? Mitchell supposedly said "respect the office". That's nothing to do with individuals – it's respecting the constitutional arrangement that makes police operational matters a no go area for politicians.''

            Like I said, the office of the commissioner and the commissioner( individual) are intertwined. The constitutional separation of the office from political interference is a given( but not proven over the years). The man in the street doesn't make such a fine distinction.

            ''Most likely, Mitchell said "respect the office" to make it clear that he didn't respect the individual.''

            That is supposition. If true, it means Mitchell is playing games hoping voters ( wink,wink) can read between the lines. Many won't.

            Again, if National had any intentions of introducing hardline policing, Mitchell should have gone after the commissioner… and it shouldn't have taken two hours. Two hours is a mighty long time. Maybe they had gingernuts, a latte and a chat about rugby.

            Reply
        • Incognito 2.1.1.3
          3 June 2022 at 10:12 am

          Mitchell failed on that account.

          How do you know? Where you present at the 2-hour meeting? Did you read a full first-hand account in the media? No? Then you’re making up stuff again.

          The Commissioner and his office are basically intertwined.

          Nope

          Reply
      • lprent 2.1.2
        3 June 2022 at 1:20 pm

        Mitchell has been told off for telling the police what to do in the media. He appears to have got the message which is good but his behaviour should worry all Kiwis; you can imagine the daily interference in police operations were he ever minister.

        There is a reason why the police, armed forces, judiciary, and a few other branches are directly responsible to the crown. In other words at exactly the same level as parliament. Parliament allocates funding for them, but has no direct operational control. They are subject to the crown.

        Basically because no-one trusts a politicians over the long term. There are always a few idiots with a limited understanding of how our society operates at a structural level and inclined towards short-term stupidity.

        Reply
        • Ad 2.1.2.1
          3 June 2022 at 3:53 pm

          Similar could be said for many other Crown entities:

          ACC, NZSuperFund, NZTA, Kainga Ora, Crown Infrastructure partners, NZPost/Kiwibank, all Universities, Kiwirail, RBNZ, TVNZ, Transpower, the majority shareholdings in power generators, and a lot more.

          Some still respond to Ministerial direction and media grief, but often quite faintly. Some are statutorily protected. Most would have the independence to tell even the Minister of Finance where to stick it. A few have workarounds.

          Raises the question of how the new water entities will be treated as kinds of public entity.

          Reply
    • KJT 2.2
      3 June 2022 at 10:07 am

      "1- Will they arm the police?

      2-Will they ban all gang patches in public areas?

      3- Will they build a huge super max prison so criminals who commit minor offences repeatedly with few consequences at present, can be jailed?"

      Maybe "they" will.

      National has a long track record of ignoring evidence and doing the things that increase, not reduce crime. Like sending minor offenders, the mentally ill, literacy challenged, and silly teenagers to "crime University"/Prisons. Dog whistling to those who ignore the evidence and think “tough on crime” actually works.

      The Police commissioner is heading towards evidence based approaches, that really do reduce crime. Reducing crime is the goal, is it not?

      Your revenge fantasies are the approaches that have been shown not to work. What will you say if your prescription is adopted and there is more crime, recidivism, and crime victims.

      Reply
      • Blade 2.2.1
        3 June 2022 at 4:22 pm

        ''Your revenge fantasies are the approaches that have been shown not to work. What will you say if your prescription is adopted and there is more crime, recidivism, and crime victims.''

        The day you front up with some original ideas of your own, is the day I will take you seriously. That goes for Peter above who's forced to copy my korero. frown

        But, to be fair, you sometimes fluke good points. For example:

        What will you say if your prescription is adopted and there is more crime, recidivism, and crime victims.''

        Good point. I would say. ''Well, I'm wrong. What I have suggested, hasn't worked. I'm sorry, we need to try something else. At least it's one strategy we can cross off the list.''

        See, I care about innocent victims. I want something that helps them. I don't have a ego regarding this issue. I'm not trying to protect an ideological position like so many on this blog. Hence my caning of those liberal sops who call themselves the National Party.

        Reply
        • KJT 2.2.1.1
          3 June 2022 at 4:33 pm

          Oh. I've fronted up with plenty of ideas about what works.

          Don't need "original ones". I leave that to people who have researched it at length. Who have proof of what works. I'll leave those who think their individual uneducated "opinions" mean jack shit, to Facebook warriors like yourself.

          If you cared about "innocent victims" you would, like me be advocating for approaches to crime reduction that works.

          I know it is over your head, but less crimes equal less victims.

          Your approach has been tried for decades. It doesn’t fucking work!

          Tough on crime nitwits, and politicians who pander to them, do not address underlying causes, so we get more victims.

          Reply
          • Blade 2.2.1.1.1
            3 June 2022 at 4:47 pm

            Look, your trouble is you are believing your own bullshit.

            ”Don't need original ones". I leave that to people who have researched it at length.”

            You aren't capable of original ideas. People who have researched things at length don't have a mortgage on good ideas. If they did we wouldn't have as much crime as we have today.

            ''Your approach has been tried for decades. It doesn’t fucking work!''

            No, it hasn't. I have two original ideas to start with that haven't been tried.

            1-How to reduce drink driving offences overnight,

            2- How to make whanau cough up a suspected baby killer.

            Reply
            • KJT 2.2.1.1.1.1
              3 June 2022 at 4:51 pm

              Two that are not original and that have been tried and failed elsewhere.

              Eco-ing the "Sensible sentencing trust is hardly "original thought".

              Reply
              • Blade …
                3 June 2022 at 4:56 pm

                That's a lie. Don't flounder around, provide a link.

                Reply
                • KJT …
                  3 June 2022 at 7:24 pm

                  To your "original thoughts"?

                  Don't think I want to rummage around in that mess.

                  Reply
                  • Blade …
                    3 June 2022 at 10:09 pm

                    Provide a link. I'm calling you out. You are a liar. And you need to be shown as such. Your comments are vacuous and sloppy. You put nothing into your posts…and it shows.

                    Reply
                    • KJT …
                      3 June 2022 at 10:32 pm

                      Really lost the plot. Eh.

                      It is OK to ask for help with your violent fantasies, you know!

                    • Blade …
                      3 June 2022 at 10:45 pm

                      Don't deflect. I'm not letting you get away with lies and trolling when you can't muster an argument, or back yourself up. Here's an example:

                      ''Really lost the plot. Eh. It is OK to ask for help with your violent fantasies, you know!''

                      Sad bottom of the barrel stuff.

                      Of course you could apologise and admit you may have got things wrong. I had to do that yesterday.

                      Blade…
                      2 June 2022 at 9:54 pm
                      That was incorrect. My apologies.
                      What I should have wrote was ”I’m a beneficiary of the trust board,” not a member of the trust board.

                    • Incognito []
                      4 June 2022 at 2:03 pm

                      You did not have to correct yourself and apologise, you chose this on your own accord. We would have been none the wiser about your ‘error’. In fact, you had an earlier opportunity to correct your ‘error’ (here: https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-31-05-2022/#comment-1891353), but you failed to do so then!?

                      Seems to me you’re making up stuff here to suit your narrative and when it does no longer suit your narrative you ‘correct’ it (aka twist & change). If so, that would be disingenuous and not commenting in good faith and it would mean we cannot take your comments at face value.

                    • Blade …
                      4 June 2022 at 3:27 pm

                      You may have got the wrong end of the stick.

                      ''You did not have to correct yourself and apologise, you chose this on your own accord. We would have been none the wiser about your ‘error’. In fact, you had an earlier opportunity to correct your ‘error’ (here: https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-31-05-2022/#comment-1891353), but you failed to do so then!?''

                      I had to correct myself when you pointed my error out indirectly because what I had written was factually incorrect. I hadn't previously corrected my error because I hadn't noticed it until your post.

                      ''Seems to me you’re making up stuff here to suit your narrative and when it does no longer suit your narrative you ‘correct’ it (aka twist & change). If so, that would be disingenuous and not commenting in good faith and it would mean we cannot take your comments at face value.''

                      Fair enough, I can't change your perceptions of me. Would your perceptions also apply to the KJT's comments above?

                    • Incognito []
                      4 June 2022 at 3:38 pm

                      My perceptions depend on context and (can) change over time. My perceptions of your comments don’t apply equally to comments by others.

                    • Blade …
                      4 June 2022 at 3:41 pm

                      I got it.

                    • Incognito []
                      4 June 2022 at 3:42 pm

                      I sincerely doubt it but time will tell.

    • gsays 2.3
      3 June 2022 at 10:26 am

      Maybe try living in the States.

      The cops are armed, got a death penalty, super-max prisons, Hell they even have a incarceration industry they've gotta have crime under control…

      Reply
      • tc 2.3.1
        3 June 2022 at 2:50 pm

        Totally.

        National plan's been hatched watching 'Mayor of Kingstown' as a way to regenerate provincial NZ via incarceration.

        Reply
      • Blade 2.3.2
        3 June 2022 at 4:29 pm

        Their justice system is shot. They have regional police forces. They have poorly trained police who rely more on toys and gizmos to get the job done.

        But they send people away for life. They never taste freedom again. You can't commit crime if you are in jail.

        Check out my clip I posted the other day – China v USA.

        Reply
    • Jimmy 2.4
      3 June 2022 at 1:38 pm

      Interesting / scary comment on the video around 2:30' – "30% of enquiries to the dairy and small business Association from dairy / small business owners, was asking how they obtain a gun licence"

      They have decided to take security matters in to their own hands. It will only be a matter of time until one does fight back.

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/06/calls-for-pm-jacinda-ardern-to-declare-crime-crisis-as-dairy-owners-arm-themselves-amid-spike-in-violent-robberies.html

      Reply
  3. aj 3
    3 June 2022 at 10:18 am

    Democracy means different things to different people. This is a short thread on the 2022 Democracy Perception Index Report 2022 – the world’s largest annual study on how people perceive democracy.

    It is commissioned by "The Alliance of Democracies Foundation", founded by Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former NATO Secretary General and former Prime Minister of Denmark.

    Every year, this is by far the most interesting study on democracy because it doesn't rely on the opinion of "experts" but on people's actual perceptions.

    As such the results are often surprising and it raises profound questions of what democracy actually is.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1532236805143027713.html

    Reply
  4. Pataua4life 4
    3 June 2022 at 2:12 pm

    Yes I know it behind a paywall. You can get a summery of facts over at the Daily Blog

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sale-of-the-century-55-60-of-aucklands-large-scale-state-land-to-be-sold-for-private-ownership/F6WLWIURSPW2UMRKGUD5Z6PUTY/

    Good ole Labour, such a party of the left.

    wink

    [You’re now 2 links short of a Happy Meal. Put up the links or take a week off. In Pre-Mod until you oblige – Incognito]

    Reply
    • Incognito 4.1
      3 June 2022 at 2:30 pm

      Mod note

      Reply
    • Pataua4life 4.2
      3 June 2022 at 3:31 pm

      Only one Link short and here it is:

      https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/crime-at-a-glance-dec2020.pdf

      Bit old but the easiest one I could find.

      What is states – crimes against property has gone down. I suspect people are no longer reporting as they know the crime won't be resolved.

      Crime against people has gone up.

      I firmly believe that I am correct in my original statement.

      We know gun violence has gone through the roof. Auckland has more shooting incidence per week than Mahuta has MFAT meetings. Gang violence is out of control, Labour is soft on crime, it is just a fact that NZ knows

      [Nope, you’re still 2 links short and you’re wasting my time because this clearly doesn’t support your assertion.

      I don’t care if you go for the easiest one or if you genuinely believe your own assertions to be correct or what you suspect or if “it is just a fact that NZ knows”. I care about you providing evidential support for your claims, which shouldn’t be too hard if they’re correct, as you allege. If somebody else provides them for you in the meantime you’ll still receive a ban – how unfair is that? Put up or shut up.

      You did so well with your other link about the Public Service under Labour!

      Since you mention Mahuta again, a few days ago you hinted at corruption charges (https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-policies-dont-add-up/#comment-1891222) but you never followed up on these when I asked you about it. Here’s your chance and use your words carefully. The odds have been raised to a fortnight ban – Incognito]

      Reply
    • Ad 4.3
      3 June 2022 at 3:44 pm

      Kainga Ora is now structured commercially so that it keeps delivering housing construction no matter which party is in parliament. It does this by ensuring that it raises its own capital through property sales, and then spends it on intensive housing on the remaining land. Might not sound particularly leftie in the socialist sense of controlling the means of production, but it's a way of extracting the politics out of it as much as possible.

      This has been going on for a while. The results you can see for yourself.

      If you went up to the Sky City revolving restaurant you might just see the extent of it from Pt England to Mangere to Oranga to Mt Roskill to Hobsonville to Northcote.

      Brand new high quality intensified integrated communities.

      Reply
      • Poission 4.3.1
        3 June 2022 at 3:54 pm

        Yeah so commercial they (this time last year) issued a 300m$ inflation bond( coupon rate 2.5%) going to be paying 7.5% for a longtime unless they get cost inflation out of their builds.

        Reply
        • Ad 4.3.1.1
          3 June 2022 at 4:27 pm

          I can't speak to their commerciality …

          … but best of luck to them if they can generate fixed price contracts that all the main banks seem to require for lending now.

          Reply
          • Poission 4.3.1.1.1
            3 June 2022 at 4:44 pm

            Debt has blown out to 7.1 billion,with new debt being around 4.2% .NZ building costs have increased by 20% last 12 months,Australia 9%.

            Australia also has seen building consents for new houses decrease by 33% over the last 12 months,and mortgage pain has not even started there.

            In the US where markets are better informed,construction costs responded in real time (as did unsold new housing stock) with lumber falling 55% in 2 months.( 58 cents a board foot)

            https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/commodities/lbs

            Reply
      • Visubversa 4.3.2
        3 June 2022 at 5:28 pm

        Absolutely. There are sites that are more suitable for the kind of medium density housing that Kainga Ora is delivering now, and there are sites that are not suitable for it. It makes sense to sell the latter, particularly if they are small, and fragmented from previous sell offs by National governments. Also some sites on major arterials are less suitable for the kind of community based developments and also need extensive noise attenuation and particulate control from 30 to 40 thousand vehicle movements per day. In many cases the private sector can develop these better.

        Reply
  5. Adrian 5
    3 June 2022 at 2:53 pm

    Dairy owners would have a far easier and safer life if they stopped pushing drugs like cigarettes and vape shit.

    Reply
    • Ad 5.1
      3 June 2022 at 3:46 pm

      So many of them are marginal that about half of them need to shut anyway.

      Not a fun prospect but it's more likely you will buy milk and bread from the petrol station anyway. It's just that kind of society.

      Reply
  6. Jimmy 6
    3 June 2022 at 3:48 pm

    Avoid Papakura at the moment, there has been a daytime shooting.

    Police operation underway in Papakura, Auckland – NZ Herald

    Reply
  7. adam 7
    3 June 2022 at 3:58 pm

    I'm going to talk smack about the propaganda coming out of businessnz.

    So if you don't like that sort of thing please scroll past – thank you.

    It's just another think tank from the school of hard right shitfuckery trying to manipulate the agenda with fake experts.

    With their half baked adds all over YouTube, full of fear and half truths.

    I'm surprised, they have not cried "think of the Children"

    https://www.yourworkyourway.co.nz/

    Greedy wankers are going to be greedy wanker I suppose. And screw working people actually getting a decent wage from you greedy scum.

    Working people will never get a fair go, when so many have let cupidity taint their souls.

    Reply
    • weka 7.1
      3 June 2022 at 8:14 pm

      I saw a meme earlier in those colours saying if 10% of people want a fair pay agreement 100% of people get it. Thought their comms team needed to sit and have a bit of a think about that.

      Reply
  8. Ad 8
    3 June 2022 at 4:24 pm

    June 9th is when the US January 6th Commission finally goes straight into prime time tv.

    (75) Pat Attention – YouTube

    According to the committee, they will "present previously unseen material documenting January 6th, receive witness testimony, preview additional hearings, and provide the American people a summary of its findings about the coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and prevent the transfer of power."

    That's our calendar next Friday.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-january-6-committee-hearing-june-9-primetime/

    This is when some of the darker group texts, QAnon influence, and attack orders get truly exposed as the insurrection plan they actually were.

    Reply
    • Puckish Rogue 9.1
      3 June 2022 at 6:25 pm

      Way past time he was shown the door.

      Reply
    • Louis 9.2
      3 June 2022 at 7:13 pm

      From your link "The data, given to the NZ Herald through the Official Information Act, showed annual assaults on staff increased in seven of the last 10 years"

      "He cited what he considered a long-standing problem"

      "In a statement, Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis referenced the "prison crisis" inherited by the Government in 2017 when the prison population had increased beyond 10,000. Since then, it had reduced 27 per cent. However, he said more serious offenders – including gang members – had been locked up during this time which posed a risk to staff. "This brings its own challenges, particularly to staff who have to manage a heightened environment where mental health issues and methamphetamine addiction are also increasingly more prevalent," he said. Davis said staff deserved to feel safe and the Violence and Aggression plan was one way to reduce assaults. He referenced the $23 million from Budget 2022 given to hire an extra 64 staff across the three prisons facing the most challenges in this area – Auckland Prison, Christchurch Men's and Mt Eden. That was part of the extra 518 staff who would be hired during the next four years"

      Reply
      • Blade 9.2.1
        3 June 2022 at 7:29 pm

        First off, National aren't on duty. Labour is.

        Since then, it had reduced 27 per cent ( prison population)

        Question: where are the people who would have formally been in prison for more minor offences?

        ''However, he said more serious offenders – including gang members – had been locked up during this time which posed a risk to staff. ''

        Correct. However, the gang population is exploding. 10 years ago a major hole in gang numbers would have occurred with the number of gangsters now locked up. Nowadays the gangs always have the numbers to fill in shortfalls in their ranks.

        Reply
  10. Blade 10
    3 June 2022 at 10:03 pm

    ''National was on duty during that time.''

    Yes, but my point is they haven't been in the wheel house for the past 6 years – Labour has. The blood is on Labours hands. Just like Labours responsibility for crime will be passed on to National next year, regardless of what Labour has or hasn't done regarding crime.

    ''Do you have a link to cover your last paragraph?''

    No, I don't. There is no need. It is general knowledge and has been in the news time and again. In fact, on another blog, I pointed to a huge increase in gang numbers close to a year before the issue started being reported in MSM. How did I know? From extended family in the mob who told me about new recruiting methods being employed. It's all about numbers.

    Reply
    • Louis 10.1
      3 June 2022 at 11:46 pm

      You acknowledge that National were in power during that time, but then claim its all Labour's fault, despite efforts to address long standing issues. No one said it could be sorted over night. Consequences from the National government didn't suddenly disappear when National got kicked out in late 2017. It hasn't been 6 years.

      Well if you think Labour has blood on its hands, then so does National.

      "Just like Labours responsibility for crime will be passed on to National next year"

      Like Labour inherited the shambles National left and there is no guarantee that National will win the election next year.

      So you cant back yourself up. I am not surprised.

      Reply
      • Blade 10.1.1
        4 June 2022 at 12:11 am

        You obviously can't understand what I'm writing, or you are being wilfully ignorant.

        I'm noticing when you Lefties run out of an argument you become surly and nasty very fast.

        I'll try one more time.

        National is not in power. Labour is. National cannot do a fucking thing about crime because they are not in power. Labour can do something about crime because they are in power. It matters not what National did before. It matters not what supposed mess National left Labour. It doesn't matter. But it matters big time for Labour because they are the government.

        BTW.., have you read that link you posted? Talk about a gift for people like me. It's also a record for future generations to understand the dynamics of failure when ideology trumps common sense and real world needs.

        Quote from your link. Talk about bs of the first water. Tell that crap to crime victims, frightened citizens and dairy owners.

        ”Government goal:

        This Government has made a commitment to create a more effective criminal justice system and safer New Zealand. Achieving these long-term objectives will require systemic reform consistent with New Zealand values and aspirations, across the whole of the criminal justice system and the social sector. This will involve public engagement, partnerships with iwi/Māori and other community groups, legislative reform, investment in new services and operational change – amongst other things.”

        Reply
        • Louis 10.1.1.1
          4 June 2022 at 12:27 am

          "I'm noticing when you Lefties run out of an argument you become surly and nasty very fast"

          That's what you are doing and you are being deliberately obtuse.

          "showed annual assaults on staff increased in seven of the last 10 years"

          National had been in power during some of those years. Labour has only been in power since late 2017, not 6 years like you falsely claimed and they are trying to do something about it. You cannot discount National's time in govt because it doesn't suit your narrative. National left an appalling legacy.

          Re link, I don't think you understood it.
          “This Government has made a commitment to create a more effective criminal justice system and safer New Zealand. Achieving these long-term objectives will require systemic reform consistent with New Zealand values and aspirations, across the whole of the criminal justice system and the social sector. This will involve public engagement, partnerships with iwi/Māori and other community groups, legislative reform, investment in new services and operational change”
          So what’s wrong in that exactly?

          Tell me, when National were in govt, did you blame them for the “crime victims, frightened citizens and dairy owners” or have you conveniently forgotten the ram raids, the attacks on the dairies, liquor stores?

          Reply
    • Incognito 10.2
      4 June 2022 at 2:22 pm

      You’ve been told before that you can argue your opinions but not your facts.

      Yes, but my point is they haven't been in the wheel house for the past 6 years – Labour has.

      You are wrong! Megan Woods said in a debate in Parliament 2 days ago that they have been in government for four and a half years.

      It's all about numbers.

      You raised it, you should put up the numbers, and it is that simple. You cannot hide behind “It is general knowledge and has been in the news time and again” and some vague stuff you may have heard from your “extended family in the mob”. The media megaphone is rarely a good source of facts but a very good source for hype & emotion.

      You are an unreliable commenter with regards to facts and supporting claims of facts. You must lift your game or your comments will be moderated.

      Reply

Leave a Comment

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Meth addiction service launched in Eastern Bay of Plenty
    The Government has delivered on its commitment to roll out the free methamphetamine harm reduction programme Te Ara Oranga to the eastern Bay of Plenty, with services now available in Murupara. “We’re building a whole new mental health system, and that includes expanding successful programmes like Te Ara Oranga,” Health ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Creatives in Schools Round 4 open for applications
    Kura and schools around New Zealand can start applying for Round 4 of the Creatives in Schools programme, Minister for Education Chris Hipkins and Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Carmel Sepuloni said today. Both ministers were at Auckland’s Rosehill Intermediate to meet with the ākonga, teachers and the professional ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Opening speech for MEETINGS 2022
    It is my pleasure to be here at MEETINGS 2022. I want to start by thanking Lisa and Steve from Business Events Industry Aotearoa and everyone that has been involved in organising and hosting this event. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to welcome you all here. It is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Reconnecting across the Tasman: Australia – Aotearoa New Zealand Foreign Minister Consultations
    Aotearoa New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hon Nanaia Mahuta and Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Senator the Hon Penny Wong, met in Wellington today for the biannual Australia - Aotearoa New Zealand Foreign Minister Consultations. Minister Mahuta welcomed Minister Wong for her first official visit to Aotearoa New Zealand ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Global challenges reflected in March quarter GDP
    The volatile global situation has been reflected in today’s quarterly GDP figures, although strong annual growth shows New Zealand is still well positioned to deal with the challenging global environment, Grant Robertson said. GDP fell 0.2 percent in the March quarter, as the global economic trends caused exports to fall ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • One million New Zealanders vaccinated against flu
    More than a million New Zealanders have already received their flu vaccine in time for  winter, but we need lots more to get vaccinated to help relieve pressure on the health system, Health Minister Andrew Little says. “Getting to one million doses by June is a significant milestone and sits ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • NZ Principals Federation MOOT SPEECH -Friday 10 June 2022 
    It’s a pleasure to be here today in person “ka nohi ke te ka nohi, face to face as we look back on a very challenging two years when you as Principals, as leaders in education, have pivoted, and done what you needed to do, under challenging circumstances for your ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Provincial Growth Fund already delivering jobs and economic boost to the regions
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is successfully creating jobs and boosting regional economic growth, an independent evaluation report confirms. Economic and Regional Development Minister Stuart Nash announced the results of the report during a visit to the Mihiroa Marae in Hastings, which recently completed renovation work funded through the PGF. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Pre-departure tests removed from June 20
    Travellers to New Zealand will no longer need a COVID-19 pre-departure test from 11.59pm Monday 20 June, COVID-19 Response Minister Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. “We’ve taken a careful and staged approach to reopening our borders to ensure we aren’t overwhelmed with an influx of COVID-19 cases. Our strategy has ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Foreign Minister to attend CHOGM
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta will travel to Rwanda this week to represent New Zealand at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Kigali. “This is the first CHOGM meeting since 2018 and I am delighted to be representing Aotearoa New Zealand,” Nanaia Mahuta said.  “Reconnecting New Zealand with the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Joint Statement: Agreement on Climate Change, Trade and Sustainability (ACCTS) at MC12
    We, the Ministers for trade from Costa Rica, Fiji, Iceland, New Zealand, Norway and Switzerland, welcome the meeting of Agreement on Climate Change, Trade and Sustainability (ACCTS) partners on 15 June 2022, in Geneva to discuss progress on negotiations for the ACCTS. Our meeting was chaired by Hon Damien O’Connor, New Zealand’s Minister for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • New Chief Censor appointed
    Internal Affairs Minister Jan Tinetti has today announced Caroline Flora as the new Chief Censor of Film and Literature, for a three-year term from 20 July. Ms Flora is a senior public servant who has recently held the role of Associate Deputy‑Director General System Strategy and Performance at the Ministry ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Government tackles elder abuse
    Eleven projects are being funded as part of the Government’s efforts to prevent elder abuse, Minister for Seniors Dr Ayesha Verrall announced as part of World Elder Abuse Awareness Day.  “Sadly one in 10 older people experience elder abuse in New Zealand, that is simply unacceptable,” Ayesha Verrall said. “Our ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • New connectivity funding for more rural homes and businesses
    More New Zealand homes, businesses and communities will soon benefit from fast and reliable connectivity, regardless of where they live, study and work,” Minister for the Digital Economy and Communications, David Clark said today. “The COVID-19 pandemic has shown us time and again how critical a reliable connection is for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Phil Twyford to attend Nuclear Ban Treaty meeting
    Disarmament and Arms Control Minister Phil Twyford will lead Aotearoa New Zealand’s delegation to the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW) First Meeting of States Parties in Austria later this month, following a visit to the Netherlands. The Nuclear Ban Treaty is the first global treaty to make nuclear ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Australian Foreign Minister to visit for talks
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta will this week welcome Australian Foreign Minister, Senator the Hon. Penny Wong on her first official visit to Aotearoa New Zealand as Foreign Minister. “I am delighted to be able to welcome Senator Wong to Wellington for our first in-person bilateral foreign policy consultations, scheduled for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Government’s School Investment Package supports 4,500 projects
    State schools have made thousands of site, infrastructure and classroom improvements, as well as upgrades to school sports facilities and playgrounds over the past two and a half years through a major government work programme, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. The School Investment Package announced in December 2019 gave ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • PM Ardern shares warm meeting with Samoa PM
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had a warm and productive meeting with Samoa Prime Minister Fiamē Naomi Mata’afa in Wellington, today. The Prime Ministers reflected on the close and enduring relationship the two countries have shared in the 60 years since the signing of the Treaty of Friendship, and since Samoa ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Govt acting to increase supermarket competition
    “Food price data shows New Zealanders pay too much for the basics and today’s figures provide more evidence of why we need to change the supermarket industry, and fast," Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister David Clark says. Stats NZ figures show food prices were 6.8% higher in May 2022 compared ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • New standalone integrity entity for sport
    An independent body to strengthen and protect the integrity of the sport and recreation system is to be established. “There have been a number of reports over the years into various sports where the athletes, from elite level to grassroots, have been let down by the system in one way ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • New baby unit opened at Waitakere Hospital
    Parents of babies needing special care can now stay overnight at Waitakere Hospital, thanks to a new Special Care Baby Unit (SCBU), Health Minister Andrew Little said today. The new SCBU, which can care for 18 babies at a time and includes dedicated facilities for parents, was opened today by ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Joint Statement: New Zealand teams up with Ecuador, Kenya, and the EU to forge cooperation on trade ...
    The Trade Ministers of the European Union, Ecuador, Kenya and New Zealand have agreed to work jointly to forge an inclusive Coalition of Trade Ministers on Climate. This reflects their shared commitment to bringing the fight against climate change to the forefront of trade policy. The Ministers want to enhance ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Government open to explore a joined up public sector pay negotiation process
    The Government is interested in exploring with public sector unions a pay adjustment proposal, the Minister for the Public Service Chris Hipkins said today. This follows the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions writing to the Government proposing to enter into a process for a pay adjustment across the public ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Cabinet changes following Faafoi, Mallard resignations
    Kris Faafoi resigns from Parliament. Kiri Allan promoted to Justice Minister, Michael Wood picks up Immigration Speaker Trevor Mallard to end 35 year parliamentary career in mid-August as he prepares to take up a diplomatic post in Europe. Adrian Rurawhe to be nominated as Speaker Priyanca Radhakrishnan moves into ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Faafoi calls time on Politics
    Kris Faafoi has today announced that he will be leaving Politics in the coming weeks. Kris Faafoi has thanked the Prime Minister for the privilege of serving as a Minister in her government. “It’s been an honour to serve New Zealander’s as a Minister and as a Member of Parliament, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Further pay bump for new parents
    Paid Parental leave entitlements will increase on 1 July, resulting in up to $40 extra a week for new parents, or up to an additional $1040 for those taking the full 26 weeks of parental leave, Workplace Relations and Safety Michael Wood has announced today. “We know things are tough ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Investing to address youth homelessness
    Rangatahi experiencing homelessness are being supported by the Government to find safe, warm, and affordable places to live, the Associate Minister of Housing (Homelessness) Marama Davidson announced today.  “This Government is investing $40 million to support rangatahi and young people to find a safe, stable place to live, put down ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Transport Minister looks to power up EV imports
    Michael Wood has announced he will travel today to the International Electric Vehicle Symposium and Exhibition (EVS), hosted by the European Association for Electromobility in Oslo, Norway. “EVS is the leading international gathering to address all the electromobility issues. The conference brings together government Ministers, policymakers, representatives from industry, relevant ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago

  • Minister of Defence addresses premier Defence Summit on climate security
    Defence Minister Peeni Henare joined a panel of Defence Ministers to discuss climate security at the 19th Annual Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore today. He addressed the 2022 summit at a special session on “Climate Security and Green Defence”. The Minister was joined on the stage by his counterpart from Maldives and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • OECD undertakes leading report on the outcomes of trade for New Zealand women
    In a first in advancing the interests of women in trade, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and New Zealand have published a review on trade and gender in New Zealand, Trade and Export Growth Minister Damien O’Connor announced. The ‘Trade and Gender Review of New Zealand’ sheds light ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • BusinessNZ complaint to ILO on Fair Pay Agreements fails
    The Government has welcomed the outcome of the International Labour Organisation’s consideration of New Zealand’s Fair Pay Agreements (FPA) system, following a complaint made to it by BusinessNZ.  “Despite efforts by opponents to misrepresent the purpose of FPAs, the ILO's Committee on the Application of Standards has not found that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Speech – to Diplomatic Corps Study Tour
    Ambassadors, representatives of your many countries it pleases me to convey a special greeting to you all on this sacred land of Waikato Tainui. Fa’afetai fa’apitoa ia te outou uma I le lau’ele’ele paiao Waikato Tainui Nga mihi nui ki koutou Nga Rangatira o te Ao i tēnei whenua ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Speech – to Diplomatic Corps Study Tour – Waikato Innovation Park
    Ambassadors, representatives of your many countries it pleases me to convey a special greeting to you all on this sacred land of Waikato Tainui.  Fa’afetai fa’apitoa ia te outou uma I le lau’ele’ele paiao Waikato Tainui Nga mihi nui ki koutou Nga Rangatira o te Ao i tēnei whenua o ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Prime Ministers reaffirm close trans-Tasman relationship
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese today held their first successful bilateral meeting in Sydney this morning. The Prime Minister was the first head of government to meet with Prime Minister Albanese in Australia since the he took office. “I was really delighted to meet Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Trade Minister to attend WTO meetings
    Trade Minister Damien O’Connor travels to Europe today for the World Trade Organisation (WTO) Twelfth Ministerial Conference (MC12). While at the WTO he will meet with ministerial counterparts from other countries to discuss bilateral and regional trade and economic issues, and progress New Zealand’s ongoing EU-NZ FTA negotiations. He will also ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Government takes bowel cancer programme nationwide
    The Government’s lifesaving bowel-screening programme is now available across the whole country, Health Minister Andrew Little said today. The programme has been successfully rolled out across the country over five years. In that time, cancers have been detected in 1400 people as a result of screening. Thirty-five per cent of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Speech to New Zealand General Practice Conference and Medical Exhibition
      Tēnā tātou katoa Kei ngā pou o te whare hauora ki Aotearoa, kei te mihi. Tēnā koutou i tā koutou pōwhiri mai i ahau. E mihi ana ki ngā taura tangata e hono ana i a tātou katoa, ko te kaupapa o te rā tērā. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • O Mahurangi Penlink at the construction starting line
    The new O Mahurangi Penlink transport connection in north Auckland has passed another milestone following the signing of the construction alliance agreement today, Transport Minister Michael Wood announced today. As part of the Government’s $8.7 billion New Zealand Upgrade Programme, O Mahurangi Penlink will provide growing communities in Silverdale, Whangaparāoa ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand Principals’ Federation Conference 2022
    Tena kotou katoa, It’s a pleasure to be here with you today.  Thank you for inviting myself and my esteemed colleague Minister Sio. I do want to firstly extend the apologies of the Minister of Education Hon Chris Hipkins We have lots to catch up on! The past two and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Funding boost to empower women to farm for the future
    Women will play a significant role in how New Zealanders farm for the future, and new Government funding will help them pave the way, Associate Agriculture Minister Meka Whaitiri said. “We’ve committed $473,261 over two years through the Ministry for Primary Industries’ (MPI’s) Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures fund to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago