Open mike 04/11/2013

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  1. phillip ure 1
    4 November 2013 at 7:38 am

    (this one is interesting..)

    http://www.alternet.org/activism/revolution-mind-underway

    “..Revolutionary changes that once seemed impossible –

    – can suddenly become possible..”

    phillip ure..

    • Tiger Mountain 1.1
      4 November 2013 at 8:07 am

      Another take on the marxist view of the “subjective” factor long being a major impediment to necessary revolutionary change while “objective” factors–the material bleeding obvious state of a world on the brink indicates that need.

      Does our social being determine our thinking or vice versa? Luckily some people break the mold like many scientists and political activists. ‘Mortgage captives’ certainly need to wake up and join them. Societal breakdown is not that far away when you look at our road rage cities, supermarkets with 2–3 day stocks, digital banking systems etc.

      • Colonial Viper 1.1.1
        4 November 2013 at 8:13 am

        Petrol stations which cannot operate pumps in a power cut.

        • Tiger Mountain 1.1.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 8:50 am

          You beat me to it Viper, read the pump article after posting. A city going ‘down’ would soon become a landlocked version of a powerless cruise liner. As Christchurch people would know well.

          After years of living in the North with tanks full of rain water and seafood across the road such thoughts do surface when living in the super city. VTOs observation is what one of my farm owning mates (across water from Whangarei) always gets worried about when there is a bird flu scare or whatever. Wind, solar, water tanks and gardens are the way to go.

          • vto 1.1.1.1.1
            4 November 2013 at 9:21 am

            Know of a few people in east Chch who have built in such resilience post-earthquake… So that they can survive almost indefinitely without wider support. Of course any such people or dwellings will also be sought out by the starving hordes in such circumstances…..

      • vto 1.1.2
        4 November 2013 at 8:21 am

        “Societal breakdown is not that far away when you look at our road rage cities, supermarkets with 2–3 day stocks, digital banking systems etc.”

        Yep, never has society been more fragile given the weaknesses that are inherent in most of our systems today. It will only be realised when it happens unfortunately.

        Have always said that the most scary person to be in this situation would be a farmer within 50km of a major population centre – lotsa new friends arriving to eat his sheep… and fuck all he can do about it… if he values his life …..

        never mind, couldn’t happen here, nah, not in nz, got a nice house, good neighbours, shiny New World down te road, gotta go to work, put out of mind, smell the roses…

        • Tat Loo (CV) 1.1.2.1
          4 November 2013 at 8:37 am

          Have always said that the most scary person to be in this situation would be a farmer within 50km of a major population centre –lotsa new friends arriving to eat his sheep… and fuck all he can do about it… if he values his life …..

          You a city lad or a farming lad? You have many friends in the city who are a crack shot with a .223? Or who know how to skin and gut a deer?

          Personally, I’d back the farmer, his couple of mates and the farm hand over any rabble from the city, just so you know.

          • vto 1.1.2.1.1
            4 November 2013 at 8:43 am

            Plenty – probably more per km2 than in rural areas but I don’t think it would pan out like that…. but terrible subject and unpleasant to consider anyway, sorry..

            • Tat Loo (CV) 1.1.2.1.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 8:47 am

              I reckon New Zealanders usually know how to work these things out between themselves for the best, anyways.

          • vto 1.1.2.1.2
            4 November 2013 at 8:51 am

            Why would the farmer defend his flock? When society has broken down like that? What would he do with them anyway? Put them on the non-existent freighter to a UK supermarche?

            And if his mates are helping him then who is looking after his mates farms? Does that not leave them open?

            And the description of thousands (probably tens of thousands) approaching starvation as “rabble from the city” I think misses the situation and various more unpleasant characteristics of the human bean entirely.

            It is an unpleasant subject but its reality as a possibility should be considered in light of the fragility of our society…. in particular the fact that supermarkets and cities have only 2-3 days of supplies at hand.

            • Tiger Mountain 1.1.2.1.2.1
              4 November 2013 at 9:20 am

              My 2–3 days come from Civil Defence people I have talked to and that may not include panic buying by some.

              Lets be optimistic though and keep on trucking for positive change as many of us Standard commenters do in real life.

          • greywarbler 1.1.2.1.3
            4 November 2013 at 9:29 am

            Tat
            Farmers now can’t cope with the determined animal thieving either dead or being trucked off. We don’t hear about it very often because our news choosers don’t bother about this sort of important information getting to the general public. I think that Scott Guy case revealed an iceberg of dirty dealings in rural areas.

            You might hear it on the rural news on Radionz but because of the silo system they have it’s not so likely in the national news. That gets taken up with readings of victims statements after court cases. So emotional and caring.

          • Puckish Rogue 1.1.2.1.4
            4 November 2013 at 10:27 am

            Sorry no you’re wrong, well its good in theory that will happen the problem is most rabble stick together and have an inflated sense of entitlement: “you have what we want so we’ll take it”

            Which means there’ll be one helluva lot of people sticking together vs very few farmers looking after a lot of land meaning it would be very difficult to defend and if you’re defending one farm what happens if another group goes to your farm…

            You only need to see what happens in other countries when it all turns to crap to see what happens though I dare say a farmer near a small town will do better

            • Naturesong 1.1.2.1.4.1
              4 November 2013 at 10:44 am

              I think you’re confusing ‘entitlement’ with desperation, or starvation.

              The effect being that it makes your use of that word to elicit an emotional response and thereby influence opinion less effective.

              Carry on

              • weka …
                4 November 2013 at 11:13 am

                “I think you’re confusing ‘entitlement’ with desperation, or starvation.”

                People with a sense of entitlement will do things differently when desperate than those without. Having a sense of entitlement isn’t necessarily a bad thing of course.

            • weka 1.1.2.1.4.2
              4 November 2013 at 11:00 am

              Hmmm, lots of different variables here that people are glossing over. How fast a collapse happens will be a big determiner in what happens after that. I wonder if a very fast collapse (as in, running out of supermarket food) will see most big city folk sitting tight, waiting for the authorities to sort it out, and then by the time they are starving they won’t have the energy to walk very far. The more resilient people will get out straight away. The less resilient that make it to farm land, won’t know how to catch a sheep let alone kill and find a way to eat it that doesn’t make them sick.

              “You only need to see what happens in other countries when it all turns to crap to see what happens though I dare say a farmer near a small town will do better”

              Where are you thinking? Because three the most immediate examples that spring to mind suggest that we might be ok. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the country people did relatively ok, it was the city people that had a hard time. In Cuba, which went through a kind of Peak Oil in a year, the general population did well. People got hungry at times, no-one starved, and the general health of the country improved. In a more acute situation, the resiliency of city communities in Iraq during the invasion was pretty impressive eg when the local authorities collapsed, the people previously employed in the power companies kept some of the electricity supply going without getting paid (for obvious reasons). The banks closed, but quickly a street level of banking started up. Humans are naturally co-operative and evolutionarily adapted to work in community. I don’t mean that terrible things wouldn’t happen (they happen already), but that it’s not a given that we would all turn into single units fighting for survival. The ‘Man Alone’ myth in NZ has a lot to answer for.

              I live in the South Island and just see huge numbers of resilient and creatively skilled people, so I tend towards Tat’s view.

              The more we think these things through now, and start putting practices and infrastructure in place, the better we will handle what happens. There are people in NZ have been doing this for a very long time, and now there are lots of people doing it. We need to reach a certain percentage of the population, not sure how many that is.

              I also think this is geographical within NZ. I think mostly about Dunedin in terms of a big city because it’s the one I am most familiar with and it’s closest to where I live. But the issues for coastal Otago will be very different than those for say Auckland.

              • karol …
                4 November 2013 at 12:39 pm

                I don’t know why everyone is assuming all us city folk will be after the farm animals in the country come the apocalypse. I can’t remember the last time I ate any animal meat.

                But I do know a lot of city/suburban folk who are pretty good fruit & veggie gardeners. I’d hang close with them and the places where water can be collected. Leave the others to fight to the death over farm animals.

                • weka …
                  4 November 2013 at 5:33 pm

                  It takes a long time to grow vegetable food karol. People will easily starve before they can grow a potato or apple. I think vto’s point was that in a relatively fast collapse people are going to be after the meat once the supermarkets run out.

                  “But I do know a lot of city/suburban folk who are pretty good fruit & veggie gardeners. I’d hang close with them and the places where water can be collected.”

                  When people talk about there being 3 days of food in the supermarkets, I haven’t seen the analysis of actual food country wide outside of supermarkets (as in gardens, market gardens etc), but I suspect that it’s not great. Most cultures traditionaly have relied on storing food. We don’t do that locally very well and much of it is reliant on freezing and refrigeration.

                  There are a couple of other issues here. One is that most (as in nearly all) of our food production relies on long distance transport. No petrol = no food. The other is that fruit and veggies don’t sustain people for very long. You need fats, protein and complex carbs too. Most vegan protein in NZ is imported (beans etc). Cheese and milk will fail pretty quickly without petrol except in small rural areas. Nuts are seasonal or locked up in storage. Lots of people will subsist for quite some time just on carbs, but where is all the wheat going to come from? (not from home gardeners). We are all very vulnerable when it comes to food, including vegetarians.

                  Even with a longer time frame for collapse (as in the Cuba scenario), you still need to get food production localised very quickly. I agree that there are lots of good gardeners still in NZ, but we need these skills much more widely spread within the population.

                  • greywarbler …
                    4 November 2013 at 6:27 pm

                    I think that people with veges might find when they get up in the morning that all the veges are out of the ground and away. Even before they are fully developed. Then what. People don’t have trouble applying linear rationality – I am hungry, they have a lot of food, my need is greater than theirs. Therefore I am entitled to help myself and take it all so we have some for later.

                  • karol …
                    4 November 2013 at 6:54 pm

                    OK. Thanks, weka.

                    Then we need to be looking at longer term food production. I actually don’t think relying on sheep and cows is the answer either. I would rather we were looking at how local communities could be self-sustaining.

                    How difficult is it to grow the required beans and/or nuts, grains etc in NZ?

                    • weka …
                      4 November 2013 at 7:17 pm

                      Not hard at all in technical horticultural/gardening terms karol. We already grow grains and nuts well, and the alternative people are starting to grow legumes. But getting people to grow them at a large enough scale to feed local populations, there are substantial economic and structural barriers, due to how farmers and gardeners are forced into systems that benefit capitalism, and how people are channeled into buying from supermarkets. For those that can afford to, supporting Farmers Markets, vege box schemes, CSAs, gate sales, retailers that prioritise local produce etc, is very helpful.

                      On the bright side, in a medium paced collapse scenario we would quickly stop exporting food we grow and be able to eat it ourselves.

                      Sheep and cows are important for wool and leather too, as well as diary. In Cuba they farmed animals like rabbits, and ate a lot less meat.

                      If we ate the whole animal (edible parts), we would need less animals, and there would be more land/resources for growing other kinds of foods.

                    • greywarbler …
                      5 November 2013 at 12:27 pm

                      If there was a world problem and we couldn’t get the food we need we might still have to export food that we need here, because of the contracts that were set up to supply stuff to others. And they would say they need it too.

              • Ennui …
                4 November 2013 at 3:16 pm

                I live among-st plenty….plenty for me to feed myself anyway. But it would not be if I had to share with the rest of Wellington. And even if we did a Cuba how many of us would have the skills? Maybe we should reprogram ourselves historically: plague, famine disease are only (in a historic sense) banned from our expectations. They are merely resting in the antechamber awaiting to re-enter the door.

                • weka …
                  4 November 2013 at 7:21 pm

                  How much plague, famine and disease did pre-European NZ experience?

                  Everyone has skills. Not everyone has to grow food, lots of other things that need to be done too. Learning how to trade equitably will be a big community-wide need.

                  • Naturesong …
                    4 November 2013 at 8:33 pm

                    I’m wondering how many Ann Rand deciples would suddenly become “eaters” and have to rely on those of us that have the knowledge to grow food, raise and butcher animals, husband bees etc

    • Rogue Trooper 1.2
      4 November 2013 at 10:12 am

      Climate Change + War, Starvation, Poverty, Flooding, and Disease
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/international-politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503226&objectid=11150809
      -world-wide fall in incomes
      -a more violent, diseased, poorer future.

      IPCC

  2. Maureen 2
    4 November 2013 at 7:39 am

    Patrick Gower ‏@patrickgowernz 19h
    Labour has introduced a female quota system that will see men demoted down the party list at expense of females

    How is it that a leading news organisation can have such a biased political editor? I kind of know the answer to that question but it still astounds me.

    • Paul 2.1
      4 November 2013 at 7:41 am

      He’s the Sean Hannity of New Zealand

    • bad12 2.2
      4 November 2013 at 7:52 am

      The Alfred.E. Nuemann of political reporting Gower, TV3 and Media-Works in a free society are obviously free to broadcast,(subject to complaints) whatever they like which would seem to include out-right lies as ‘The News’,

      What tho worries me is that TV3 and Media-Works gain funding from the State via NZ on Air which is said to be the difference between those entities remaining solvent or not,(this in my mind imparts to Media-Works a duty to report political matters in a fair and balanced manner),

      i will suggest again that an incoming Government of the left ensure that all NZ on Air funding for this organization be stopped, if the organization wants to be one that favors the political right over the political left then they should be made to fund their own political broadcasts…

      • Maureen 2.2.1
        4 November 2013 at 8:02 am

        I suppose we can say that John Campbell provides some sort of balance because the issues he reports on are more likely to be taken seriously by the left.

        As far as the gender issue goes, I thought a political editor might be able to put it in a broader context by looking at other countries who aim for 50% representation by women. It’s not as if these policies came down in the last shower. Norway?

        • framu 2.2.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 8:59 am

          “I suppose we can say that John Campbell provides some sort of balance” – you could say that, but its missing the point a bit

          its not the campbell and gower balance each other out (which they dont) – its that gower actively practices spin, fabrication and generally interviews his own opinion instead of anything even vaguely like journalism.

          Im no JC fan boy, and sometimes i find campbell live misses the mark – but hes far more of a journalist compared to “i just made some shit up” gower

          Its not so much left vs right – its journalism vs made up bullshit

        • Ad 2.2.1.2
          4 November 2013 at 9:12 am

          We should not worry quite so hard. Labour stories are dominating the airwaves like they haven’t for years.

          The gender story is immensely softened and will play well in the longer term next year.

          The insurance story will run and run.

          And the housing and Christchurch rebuild stories are money for jam.

          The MSM have so few factional fight stories now that they have to argue about policy. This is a massive shift. We are gonig to torn Paddy and the rest into policy wonks.

          The only trick left is to frame policy into stories that bounce right. That’s a job for the media team in the Leaders’ office.

          • BM 2.2.1.2.1
            4 November 2013 at 10:44 am

            The gender story is immensely softened and will play well in the longer term next year.

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/
            O’rly?

            The Man Ban will be such an albatross around the neck of labour, face facts the election is already lost.

            • Ad 2.2.1.2.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 10:47 am

              Best of luck with that.
              We know where our votes come from.

              • BM …
                4 November 2013 at 11:04 am

                Honestly, I know you guys don’t see it or refuse to see it.
                But the Man ban is just like the anti smacking, light bubs, shower head stuff that destroyed the last Labour government.

                This shit is voter poison on steroids, Key must be walking around today with a grin a mile wide.

                • McFlock …
                  4 November 2013 at 12:23 pm

                  That would make a change from the tired, bored, and slightly cranky look he’s had on his face for most of this year’s media conferences.

                • amirite …
                  4 November 2013 at 2:32 pm

                  BM – Oh yeah, all these things are waaaay worse than the wholesale spying Key has sold us to.

                • David H …
                  4 November 2013 at 5:36 pm

                  Really BM so why are you the only one going on about a so called man Ban?

                  • jaymam …
                    4 November 2013 at 7:37 pm

                    Well I’ll go on about it too. Choosing MPs by gender or sexual orientation or any other category is an extremely stupid thing for Labour to do. Go on, have a separate article about this and invite comments and a vote, I dare The Standard. As an LEC member I have participated in the choice of candidates for the Labour list (and also the Green list). Members should choose the best people for the job.

            • Te Reo Putake 2.2.1.2.1.2
              4 November 2013 at 12:04 pm

              If the election is already lost, then your work here is done, BM. Come back again in 12 months and let’s see how that plays out, eh?

              ps, can I suggest that hysterical use of the phrase ‘man ban’ and claiming that its electoral poison falls in to the category of ‘panicdotal evidence’?

      • David H 2.2.2
        4 November 2013 at 10:04 am

        I see they are going to cancel Nightline, and put on Paul Henry. Talk about dumbing down.

      • Watching 2.2.3
        4 November 2013 at 10:54 am

        i will suggest again that an incoming Government of the left ensure that all NZ on Air funding for this organization be stopped, if the organization wants to be one that favors the political right over the political left then they should be made to fund their own political broadcasts…

        Bad12 You have never stated whether you have lived and worked in a country whereby the state controls the media by ownership or by fear. I don’t mean travelling or viewing their media from the outside but living their on a daily basis for a reasonable period – f.. even the sports comments were controlled. In my case I am not referring to the UK/Aus/US type of countries

        Your comments raises two points:

        1. The next step from funding control is editorship – there is nothing for free.

        2. If we accept your idea then the flip side is that the right can also impend this policy when they return to office with one subtle change. I guess BM would have Campbell cancelled within a week.

        The problem with living in a democracy is the Bad12 see the media favouring the political right while BM and his mates see the media as the voice of the political left. It just a view & if the government interferes in the media we no longer have a democracy. It either funding for both sides or no-one.

        Sorry Bad12 you write some good stuff at times but not this one.

    • Sanctuary 2.3
      4 November 2013 at 9:44 am

      Gower is absolutely obsessed with this issue. I wonder why? Is he a closet transgender? Does he dress up in women’s clothes when he is at home? Why on earth does it get him so excited? He carries on like it is the biggest scandal since Watergate, when the rest the country doesn’t give a toss.

    • Saarbo 2.4
      4 November 2013 at 12:07 pm

      Gower is a disgrace.

  3. bad12 3
    4 November 2013 at 7:43 am

    We can debate the pro’s and con’s of the State establishing and owning an insurance company ad nauseum, probably in terms of today’s political landscape point to such a policy as a radical departure from the Neo-liberal norm which it obvious is if you have no knowledge of the 1970’s the peak years for Government ‘ownership’ of all sorts of business,

    What of the politics tho, 2 weeks befor David Cunliffe’s Conference announcement Winston Peters came out of the NZFirst Conference loudly proclaiming ‘the bottom line’ for any Party seeking the support of NZFirst after the 2014 election would be that very same thing, the establishment and ownership of an insurance company by the Government,

    Labour and David Cunliffe could hardly have failed to have noticed that except for the name, where a comic might suggest Labour have inserted an ass into the policy, the policy, Winston’s bottom line, are the same,

    The political signal???, on the surface we have the makings of a coalition arrangement between Labour and NZFirst after November 2014 that has little in the way of impediment bar the number of Cabinet positions needed to keep NZFirst intact and reasonably happy,

    Of course if we were to see a conspiracy around every ballot box we might begin to suspect that David Cunliffe in a cunning move has reached out a large hand to NZFirst voters with the question, ‘why vote for the insurance company offered by the sMall party when you can vote for exactly the same from the bigger party’, after all on the current numbers,(as i see them), if Labour can reach across and half inch a small part of NZFirst’s voting support effectively leaving that Party below the 5% thresh-hold this would guarantee, in the carve up of the remaining NZFirst vote when the election night numbers are crunched, a Labour/Green Government,

    Of course there is also another scenario where ‘the plan’ is to present after 2014 a Labour/NZFirst bloc to the Green Party attempting to formulate a coalition with the Green Party giving ‘confidence and supply’ similar i might add as the cozy arrangement of the previous Labour Government…

    • Paul 3.1
      4 November 2013 at 7:49 am

      Solution…vote Green to keep Labour honest.

    • Ad 3.2
      4 November 2013 at 9:14 am

      The options need to be kept open at this stage in case numbers change of the minor parties in the next 12 months. Who knows maybe the Greens and NZFirst will have to figure out how to work together if they want power.

      • Naturesong 3.2.1
        4 November 2013 at 9:26 am

        Pretty sure the greens can work with Winston as long as he doesn’t act like a complete fuckwit.

        • Ad 3.2.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 9:41 am

          Certainly you can count on Winston to change his mind. Also helpful to see Norman fold like origami on printing money. 😉

          Perhaps agreement won’t be as hard as one imagines.

          • bad12 3.2.1.1.1
            4 November 2013 at 10:30 am

            Fold???, pragmatic politics from Russell Norman once He realized Labour had no stomach for engaging in what is now mainstream economic practice by a number of major economies,

            Nationals 80 billion dollar debt mountain simply hamstrings the following Government forcing that Government to raise taxes or ‘do nothing’ thus leading it away from longevity,

            National and Labour’s borrowing intentions simply leads to the impoverishment of the next generation to pay for the comfortable lifestyle of today and/or the injection of the IMF into the country running our economic and social policy…

            • Ad 3.2.1.1.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 10:49 am

              Fold. Like origami.
              You’re too easy to tease.

              The Greens need to get back into the ring.

              • Tat Loo …
                4 November 2013 at 10:55 am

                Correct. The Greens had 20 months of relatively easy training and looking good. Now its time for them to step up to the 2014 championship fight.

                National is already gearing up, big time.

                Norman should have stuck to his guns for a little bit longer to make the point – the NZ Government has a monopoly on the creation of NZ Dollars. It can do so whenever it likes, in order to move real resources and people where they need to be.

              • bad12 …
                4 November 2013 at 3:25 pm

                Ad, stupid comment of the day, who carried the Opposition fight to National scoring the hits while David Shearer tried to learn how to string more than 6 words of the English language together as one coherent sentence…

            • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1.1.1.2
              4 November 2013 at 12:13 pm

              RN knows how the monetary system works, knows that it really needs to be changed and knows that Labour won’t do a damn thing to change it.

              National and Labour’s borrowing intentions simply leads to the impoverishment of the next generation to pay for the comfortable lifestyle of today and/or the injection of the IMF into the country running our economic and social policy…

              QFT

              The government should never borrow money as it is sovereign and thus can print all the money it needs. Along side this the government needs to stop the private banks from creating money.

          • Naturesong 3.2.1.1.2
            4 November 2013 at 11:00 am

            It’s not about printing money as much as who should do it: http://blog.greens.org.nz/2013/05/27/private-money-printing-takes-off-again/

            At the time Dr Norman floated the idea it would have performed three key positives;
            1. Kick started inflation which was below the reserve banks target (was abour 0.1% iirc),
            2. Helped stabilise the exchange rate, and potentially saved a significant portion of the 40k manufacturing jobs that went to the wall over the last 18 months
            3. Resulted in a much lower govt debt that will now have to be paid back via taxes.

            It was dropped because conditions started to change (inflation started to rise, and the govt borrowed the money – that someone else printed).
            And it became politically untenable; an effective tool trashed so a cheap political point could be scored by national.

            • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1.1.2.1
              4 November 2013 at 12:22 pm

              +1

              National have much to answer for in their trashing of our economy. Actually, so does Labour as they’ve not been doing enough to highlight just how National have been trashing it and they’re not going to make the necessary changes to bring it back into balance.

        • bad12 3.2.1.2
          4 November 2013 at 9:43 am

          Yes, looking at the relevant policy positions on a lot of the economic stuff to me is like looking at ‘the Generation Gap’, both the Green Party and NZFirst are saying much the same thing while perhaps proposing to arrive at the same objective by differing means…

        • David H 3.2.1.3
          4 November 2013 at 10:12 am

          Well make him Foreign Minister again he was very good in that job last time. It would also keep him traveling as well.

    • Francis 3.3
      4 November 2013 at 1:36 pm

      I thought NZ First’s bottom-line policy was a government-run KiwiSaver scheme…

      Though I do know that a publicly owned insurance company was also one of their policies. Both of them are good ideas.

  4. vto 4
    4 November 2013 at 7:55 am

    How on earth will Cunliffe built 10,000 houses in Christchurch in 4 years?

    It is not possible.

    simply
    not
    possible

    and raises questions around his credibility if he goes around promising silly shit like that..

    • BM 4.1
      4 November 2013 at 8:13 am

      Problem with Cunliffe is that he believes his own bull shit and that makes him a very dangerous man.

      • risildowgtn 4.1.1
        4 November 2013 at 8:22 am

        Better than people believing Key’s own bullshit when you can tell he doesnt with those deadpan eyes

        • Jim Nald 4.1.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 8:29 am

          Ok, the Natz’ Sesame Street word-for-the-day is “dangerous”. This comes after a few that have been tossed off such as “extreme narcissist” , “over the top”, “slight smugness”, etc.

      • Ad 4.1.2
        4 November 2013 at 10:51 am

        Surprisingly the polls are saying that more and more of New Zealand do as well.
        See you in November and weep into your beer.

      • Pascal's bookie 4.1.3
        4 November 2013 at 11:04 am

        “Problem with Cunliffe is that he believes his own bull shit and that makes him a very dangerous man.”

        Wait, I thought he was a two faced prick who said anything?

        • Jim Nald 4.1.3.1
          4 November 2013 at 11:19 am

          “two faced … anything”

          I thought John Key’s supposed blind trust bought that one already for his political epitaph. Or is he wanting to sell his stake on that down to 49% ?

      • greywarbler 4.1.4
        4 November 2013 at 11:19 am

        Problem with BM is that he believes his own bull shit and that makes him a very
        destructive, conniving man.

    • Colonial Viper 4.2
      4 November 2013 at 8:16 am

      Labour’s policy with KiwiBuild has been 100,000 houses in 10 years. I suppose Labour thought that 25% of those builds around ChCh could be done.

      • vto 4.2.1
        4 November 2013 at 8:24 am

        I think the policy is bold and should be aimed at with all resources. But some tempering of enthusiasm with reality should probably take place. 2,500 extra houses per year in Chch in its current state by a new entrant is pretty mind-boggling. If they can do it then they should but I seriously fail to see how on many various fronts confronting such an effort.

        • Colonial Viper 4.2.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 8:29 am

          It will require a big ramp up, and also IMO, the re-establishment of the Department of Public Works.

          • vto 4.2.1.1.1
            4 November 2013 at 8:36 am

            Sure, but the ramp up is not possible imo. That is 10 houses each and every working day. If you start putting some actual numbers and people and materials against it and compare it to current levels of activity and shortages the problem becomes very clear. Not possible.

            But as Donald Trump says in the first line of his first book – if you are going to bother thinking at all then you may as well think big…

            • Lanthanide 4.2.1.1.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 8:46 am

              These are the sorts of numbers of houses we’re going to be needing to get the city back up on it’s feet anyway.

              I do wonder where they’re all going to go, though. Wigram Skies development is 1,600 houses and around 1,000 at Aidanfield.

              Aidanfield started in 2002 and section sales are just winding up now (with an obvious boost post-earthquake), Wigram Skies will be going for another 5-6 years before it’s all built.

              • Draco T Bastard …
                4 November 2013 at 12:30 pm

                I do wonder where they’re all going to go, though.

                Well, my hope would be for medium and high density houses in the city centre(s).

            • bad12 4.2.1.1.1.2
              4 November 2013 at 8:47 am

              Labour during the Kirk years were building 4000 State Houses a year, admittedly not in the one city…

            • Tat Loo (CV) 4.2.1.1.1.3
              4 November 2013 at 8:52 am

              We have to decide as a society how important this is for the nation and for the people of Christchurch.

              God forbid we consider what we did in the old days of the war – materials and fuel were strictly rationed so that everything possible was directed into the nation’s efforts. Factories and workshops were re-tasked on manufacturing and processing key products seen as critical.

              Sure, but the ramp up is not possible imo. That is 10 houses each and every working day.

              Realistically, it would start off being 2-3 houses/day, then by the last year be at a rate of 20 houses completed per day.

              (Bearing in mind that each house will still take several weeks to build, but once in the production pipeline…)

              • Ad …
                4 November 2013 at 9:17 am

                Exactly Tat. Run it like there’s a crisis of that scale …. hmmm call it a city-destroying earthquake type crisis … use the powers the state already has to accelerate things.

            • greywarbler 4.2.1.1.1.4
              4 November 2013 at 9:36 am

              vto
              Don’t talk the housing plan down before its even started. It will be big and worthwhile even if the target isn’t met. And you in your spare time can keep an eye on it.

              You are in Christchurch aren’t you? Keep up the pressure on the Dept send reports to The Standard, and keep them reds up to the mark. First catch your election, then simmer for a year, then bring to the boil. Voila – c’est si bon (that could be for some in Akaroa), kapai!

              • vto …
                4 November 2013 at 11:33 am

                yes greywarbler we are in Chch most of the time and right in the heart of quake zone, rebuild, insurance, red zone, green zone, everything everything…. that is why I doubt the ability to implement the policy. I see and work in that sector right now and see the constraints referred to.

                But give it a crack by all means. Go hard and think big. Lordy knows NZ is overdue for some change in the way things are attended to…

                The policy will be one enormous herculean effort that is for sure. If it gets pulled off then I will be the first to applaud.

                A better way to get into it though may be to prepare the first, say 200, homes so they can start within weeks of election, with a plan of action to bring the balance up to speed with urgency. That would require a small team of people to be working on this from right now. Is there such a team working on it? Working on anything to do with implementing the policy? Right now? curious …..

                • greywarbler …
                  4 November 2013 at 5:23 pm

                  vto
                  Like your thinking. There’s life with you around, and others like you, so there’s hope too.
                  Gerry is the Big Man down there? What’s he doing for the little people outside
                  the CBD? So far outside they have seemed invisible. Caravans as temporary accommodation? I understand that one park has been taken over for quarters for all these builders that are going to be doing good stuff. Riccarton I think it was.
                  But that means that there are less places for the displaced Easties.

                  • Naturesong …
                    4 November 2013 at 8:48 pm

                    With all the building happening in Christchurch, it’s a opportunity for a lot of apprentices; builders, plumbers, electricians etc.

                    Is that happening, or are they just importing tradesmen and scrounging labourers where they can?

            • Pete 4.2.1.1.1.5
              4 November 2013 at 4:52 pm

              There’s some very good prefabricated homes out there.

          • bad12 4.2.1.1.2
            4 November 2013 at 8:43 am

            i think you will find that the next Labour/Green/NZFirst Government will ‘explain’ the 2500 houses built in the Christchurch area as the ‘sum total’ of all houses built including by private owners,

            i wonder just how many homes are involved in the other ‘leg’ of Labour’s plans for Christchurch housing, 100’s???, 1000’s, there’s probably as David Cunliffe said on National Radio this morning one hell of a lot of quite decent housing in ‘the red zone’ that with minimal repair will make a great addition to the States housing stocks,

            As cheap as cheese as well, some of these houses are apparently fit to live in now, their only problem being that they are in the red zone and i would assume Government would have to provide some monies to the Christchurch Council so as to restore sewerage and water facilities,

            i can tho hear Brownlee right now thinking ”oh no you don’t” and getting ready to send in the demolition crews…

            • Lanthanide 4.2.1.1.2.1
              4 November 2013 at 8:47 am

              “i think you will find that the next Labour/Green/NZFirst Government will ‘explain’ the 2500 houses built in the Christchurch area as the ‘sum total’ of all houses built including by private owners,”

              They are promising 2,500 “affordable” houses per year, so they can’t simply count all existing private construction because a lot of this won’t be affordable. The media are also reporting that the plan is apparently to sell the houses to first-home buyers only, which again means they can’t simply count all private construction as being part of the plan.

    • Ad 4.3
      4 November 2013 at 9:15 am

      Talked to Carter Holt or Fletchers recently about modular homes?
      In fact checked the number of multi-unit consents either confirmed or underway in Auckland right now?
      TransportBlog has been making a feature of just the approved ones ready for construction over the last month.
      Check it out.

      • bad12 4.3.1
        4 November 2013 at 9:26 am

        Aha, and that is what Phil Twyford has made reference to, if you have a factory,or any number of them, you can churn out ‘flat pack’ or totally constructed housing like they turn out cars from an assembly line,

        There is not the need for 2 or 3 builders per house construction, labourers can assemble all the various components in the factory overseen by a qualified builder, factories need not run one shift per day, 3 shifts 24 hours a day will churn out 3 times the housing,

        Some of the totally factory assembled housing which is then trucked to it’s site i have seen online is quite modern ‘flash’ housing…

        • Ad 4.3.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 9:43 am

          It’s quite odd to see a fully fitted bathroom complete with sockets craned into the side of a house. Think Ikea on steroids.

          German firms have been doing the high-end versions for many years. In fact I was contemplating engaging them for the Wanaka house.

          • bad12 4.3.1.1.1
            4 November 2013 at 10:35 am

            And if they are clever, while the components of the actual houses are constructed in the factories any number of labouring crews can be putting in the foundations, footpaths and gardens…

            • Tat Loo 4.3.1.1.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 12:56 pm

              There are a few youtubes up with the Chinese building 15 story hotels in under a week. Concepts such as modular design and prefab components have been in use for a very long time. The Koreans helped take over the tanker building industry using those ideas.

    • joe90 4.4
      4 November 2013 at 9:41 am

      It is not possible.

      Of course it is, the late Barry Beazly saw the possibilities when he and his father modelled their franchise on the tract housing they’d seen in the US where, between 1947 and 1951, in just one municipality 17,447 homes were built by Levitt and Sons.

    • Draco T Bastard 4.5
      4 November 2013 at 12:26 pm

      Of course it’s possible. It really just comes down to ensuring that a couple of thousand builders from outside Canterbury live there for a couple of years and then go back to their home.

      • weka 4.5.1
        4 November 2013 at 12:32 pm

        Yeah, because the only thing you need to build thousands of houses is builders /sarc.

        Sorry DtB, but it’s just not as simple as that. There are also issues of where the builders come from and the effect that that has on their home communities.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.5.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 2:04 pm

          Organising the builders is the hard part as it’s actual people and their lives you’re dealing with. The materials are easy.

        • Tat Loo 4.5.1.2
          4 November 2013 at 2:23 pm

          NZ used to do this kind of thing all the time, with hydro towns, etc. People only think its hard because for 30 years we’ve been conditioned to believe that NZ could no longer perform major nation building.

          • Draco T Bastard 4.5.1.2.1
            4 November 2013 at 3:31 pm

            Yep. We have the capabilities but we’ve been conditioned to believe that we don’t.

            • weka 4.5.1.2.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 5:20 pm

              Or more correctly we have to recreate the situation where this would be possible. In this sense I think vto is right. It’s not just a matter of building x houses in x years. It’s about all the things that are needed to make that happen beyond the hammers and timber.

              My non-builder dad and his builder mate built the first house my parents lived in. It’s a different story today because of the changes to the building act post-leaking buildings, and because consent processes are extremely time and money consuming now. It really is a different world. Plus what’s been mentioned about the change in culture.

              • Draco T Bastard …
                4 November 2013 at 7:06 pm

                Two things:
                1.) A council can, and does, do more than one consent at a time
                2.) A while back there was talk about consenting designs. In other words, a house built to that design could be built anywhere in the country without the design needing to be re-consented. All that would need to be done would be the foundations for the specific section thus speeding up the process. Don’t know if this actually went through but it seems reasonable.

                It’s not just a matter of building x houses in x years.

                That’s exactly what it’s all about. Yes, it’s going to take some organisation and planning but it can be done and it can be done by government faster and better than it can be done by “the market”.

        • TheContrarian 4.5.1.3
          4 November 2013 at 4:41 pm

          I do enjoy Draco’s “Just so…” stories.

      • joe90 4.5.2
        4 November 2013 at 12:37 pm

        Transportables DtB, during it’s heyday the Mount Maunganui yard building homes for the Tokaanu and later the Huntly scheme was shipping five to seven completed homes a week.

    • amirite 4.6
      4 November 2013 at 12:34 pm

      Why, John Key stated this morning that National are building over 20,000 houses already , so where are they? On Planet Key?

      Audio of Key saying that here at 6:10:
      http://www.radiolive.co.nz/AUDIO-PM-John-Key-slams-Labours-insurance-plans/tabid/506/articleID/38752/Default.aspx

  5. greywarbler 5
    4 November 2013 at 9:55 am

    Did you hear about the film Son of an Art Dealer. It’s about an isolated guy who has priceless paintings by old masters shut away in dark rooms to preserve them. He received them from his father who was an art dealer in Germany who authorities think, received them from Nazis who stole them from Jewish estates. He is a bit of a recluse, selling off an occasional one when he needs cash. But it isn’t a film, it’s true.

    What a moral hazard. He thinks what is the sense of returning them as the Nazis probably killed their owners. If no-one knows then I can keep ‘my precious’ close and never be found out. If I reveal I have them then I am a marked man for notoriety and punishment. If I leave them somewhere anonymously people will be hunting for the source. Tainted objects of beauty, in a film he would die with the paintings around him, fine funerary pieces beside him, like an Egyptian dignitary. Apparently he has been found out in real life. The aftermath of war rolls on.

    But now we have another event to worry about. Bill talked about Fukushima and the delicate task of moving the fuel rods. They had another 5 earthquake near there the other day. And there is always someone who talks down the dangers that need to be faced. Someone with a Three Mile Island connection. Bill’s Sunday notes about it sounded more reliable. Look up Bill in the search line up top if you want a catch up.

  6. phillip ure 6
    4 November 2013 at 10:27 am

    reasons to be nervous about fukushima..

    http://www.alternet.org/environment/fukushimas-radiation-gusher-could-entire-pacific-fishery-be-tainted

    “..80,000 gallons per day of radioactive water – for 942 straight days –

    – dumped into the Pacific –

    – and counting..”

    phillip ure..

  7. greywarbler 7
    4 November 2013 at 11:11 am

    What’s this business of volunteer firefighters taking on the regular work that paid firefighting teams should do at Blenheim airport. I can’t believe at the callous way that the good nature of the volunteers is being abused. They sacrifice their personal and family time to carry out what are irregular, hopefully, safety interventions on behalf of their local area communities. But that good nature is being taken advantage of by people with the budgets to pay for the services they want.

    The government, through the Defence Force personnel and equipment, used to provide a seven day service to Blenheim airport. Now, ‘because of budget constraints’ its weekdays only and I think only 8 to 5p.m So what is done – call in the volunteer fire brigade, bleed them till they’re dry.

    The volunteers offer their services and join a responsible, trained, and supportive team ready to drop their own concerns to attend to the community’s serious events of destruction, injury or death. They should not have extra work dumped on them. Their management does not seem as supportive of them as I would expect. In fact there were ructions some years ago, where they were being taken advantage of.

    And besides the Blenheim situation, firefighters are being loaded with the task of calls to cardiac arrests at present done by St Johns Ambulance. The reason being given is ‘if they are in the area, and able to provide more timely assistance’. I suppose this relates to ‘the golden hour’, time that can be crucial for the recovery of seriously ill patients. But I view this as a serious interference in the lives of these people, adding to the time spent on their volunteer work and away from their own responsibilities. They will have jobs, paid work, so their employers are involved also, they sacrifice time too, having to find a way to fill the gap caused by an employee firefighter’s call-out.

    In the USA they have firefighters who are also ambulance workers.. I think they are two different jobs, each with its own specialised knowledge required. The firefighters, because they are given training in the care of injured persons, are now having these efficiency and cost-saving vultures load them with extra work in this field. The thin edge of the wedge? These managers co-operating with worker hours are stealing time from their lives, their work, their family, their personal time. Because they are responsible and good-natured people, it is not easy for them to refuse or even protest. But this abuse of altruism must not be allowed to continue.

  9. tricledrown 9
    4 November 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Vto we were building 10,000 more homes a year up till 2008
    Technology has moved on in the building industry simple affordable homes can be built quickly.
    Cooky cutter + factory built homes like in Australia where whole suburbs are built with different facades claddings colours excetera.
    The capacity is available I am in the building industry .
    The workforce is available theirs an oversupply of building materials in the world as well as an oversupply of trades.Just about every developed country has an oversupply of builders so no problem their like wise materials if NZ can’t make Asia can.

    • vto 9.1
      4 November 2013 at 12:12 pm

      Well I hope you’re right and I’m wrong tricledown. Maybe we in Christchurch can’t see the wood for the trees, so to speak….

  10. aerobubble 10
    4 November 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Labour loses ChCh seat, giving Key an increased majority. Voters are outraged that Key is profiteering off the ChCh earthquake and is forced into an early election.

    • phillip ure 10.1
      4 November 2013 at 3:29 pm

      aerobubble..

      ..apologies for being so slow on the uptake..

      ..but could you explain/fill-in the bits/events/causes inbetween those three events..?

      ..’loss’..’outrage’..and ‘early election’..?

      ..i’m not quite keeping up here..

      ..i’m just not ‘getting it’/how you are getting from one to the next….

      ..phillip ure..

      • aerobubble 10.1.1
        6 November 2013 at 3:38 pm

        I could be very wrong, parliament may have some measure that balances the vote when a bi-election takes one MP out of parliament. Since Key needs ACT and Dunne, having that extra vote (lose of ChCh MP as she went on to become Mayor).

  11. tricledrown 11
    4 November 2013 at 12:23 pm

    BM Boorish Mysogynist.
    National are in trouble according to Matthew Hooten they expect to loose the next election they can I’ll afford to offend half the population.

  12. greywarbler 12
    4 November 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Young girls, police think one could be 13, being sexually compromised or actually raped and put on Facebook.

    How come there isn’t a case to be brought against those involved under the Human Rights Act. Where is the respect for privacy and for the personal rights of the girls?

    And the police have been monitoring the Facebook pages, have apparently identified some of the young men and women, and have allowed it to continue saying that they were waiting for some evidence to show up, or one of the girls to make a complaint.

    It seems like collaboration almost. Not sharp action. Not getting onto Facebook to get it taken down. Apparently commercial TV3 did that, not our public protectors.

    And one remembers Louise Nicholls and the macho and morals raincheck that the force has had revealed in the past and the thought, is it the same now can easily arise again. Don’t the police care about their reputation? I would expect them to be very sensitive and anxious to clean up their act It really seems that sporting codes are tougher on their people and bad publicity than our Police.

    • Rogue Trooper 12.1
      4 November 2013 at 12:31 pm

      been waiting for QoT to revisit the topic of R.C. after seeing articles and police positions on this charming offensive . Good old social media aye!

    • aerobubble 12.2
      4 November 2013 at 12:34 pm

      Yeah, its okay it seems for parents to not protect their kids from slander, and Police can sit on the case until ‘a real crime’ turns up. Sorry, but police heads should roll. Police must protect minors when parents fail to. Its clear that parents have a clear civil case of slander, that these young men cannot prove they raped or gotten drunk minors.

      • idlegus 12.2.1
        4 November 2013 at 2:14 pm

        the cop on the telly kept saying they were waiting for one of the girls to be “brave” enough to come forward, he kept repeating that word “brave’. the fb site was brought down after the journalist got involved. the police say some of the girls were underage, then the boys got them drunk, had sex with them, then bragged about it on facebook. i cant see how this is not a crime.

      • greywarbler 12.2.2
        4 November 2013 at 5:35 pm

        aerobubble
        Don’t be too hard on parents. Social science study shows that parents have less authority now against the countering messages from the various media, sexualisation of young girls etc.

        The girls use their good looks etc to try and be popular with the boys. It’s very strong pressure they put on parents to let them be free, go out, stay up late, fib about where they will be.

        Learning to respect and value themselves is something that is hard to teach them. They like staying out late, being ‘adult’ in their minds, never thinking that bad things will happen to them. And leave possibly indelible memories.

  13. aerobubble 13
    4 November 2013 at 12:30 pm

    A child is beaten, harmed, Police can act. But what
    if abuse is alledged? Police cannot act? Surely not.
    Well children pictures are being posted online, with
    comments that they were gotten drunk and raped.
    Police cannot investigate the parents? Since the
    parents have a duty of care to protect their children.
    Parents have an obligation to their kids to protect
    them, even against allegations of being ‘loose’,
    drunk, where this is not the case. Who has the
    responsibility to protect children standing in the
    community if not their parents, and parents who
    do not, and leave their children with potential self-harming
    pressures. Pretty sure children don’t want to be
    called drunken sluts. The fact that some young men
    may have alledgely raped, given drink to minors and
    publically humilated minors, should not stop Police
    removing these children from parents for their own safety
    since even the allegation is harmful to a child.
    And parents have a responsibility to act to protect their
    children. If young men assert online of activities that
    are illegal and involve minors, and parents do not
    make complaints, against slander of their children.

    The civil case is a slam dunk, since these young men’s
    assets can be seized and sold off to provide reparations,
    as they are hardly going to prove they raped minors, gave
    minors alcohol. Why should lousy lazy parents who do not
    protect their children, children who will be left exposed to
    potential continued harm, psychological and even repeat…

    Why have Police sat on their hands for so long! Police can’t
    cherry pick which offense, or which offender, especially when
    a minor is incapable of laying the complaint themselves.

    Its has nothing to do with it being the internet that was the
    publishing forum.

    • Rogue Trooper 13.1
      4 November 2013 at 12:32 pm

      minor minions 😉

    • weka 13.2
      4 November 2013 at 1:08 pm

      “The fact that some young men may have alledgely raped,”

      Aero, not quite sure what you are on about but:

      1. if you say that the rapes are ‘alleged’, then why are you not insisting that the other behaviours are alleged too? eg the children needing protection.

      2. why are you focussed on the parents of the victims instead of the parents of the violent offenders? Why not advocate removing the rapists from their parents as a way of solving the problem?

      Sorry, but your whole comment smacks of making the victims the problem instead of the men doing the raping. And that just contributes to rape culture.

      • aerobubble 13.2.1
        4 November 2013 at 1:24 pm

        Okay, its alleged that Police have discovered a website where young men alleged they’ve given drink and had sex with minors.

        As minors parents have a duty of care, I don’t see a difference between smacking a child and calling them a drunken slut, so I don’t see a difference between someone else calling them a drunken slut.

        As fr the focusing but, obviously Capone was not taken to court for being a mobster but for tax fraud. Authorities cannot ignore one crime because they don’t have enough evidence for another.

        And its has to be noted, you seem to not realize that a victim of crime can become the victim of that crime again, and the parents have a duty to protect. Parents can immediately bring civil proceedings against these young men, and will win since what is the defense, evidence they got minors drunk and had non-consensual sex with them?

        Its going to be pretty hard for these young men to continue if they are paying civil damages and their car has been sold.

        • weka 13.2.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 1:36 pm

          Dude, they didn’t have “non-consenual sex”, they raped them.

          Parents can’t stop children from being raped. Lock children up and they just get raped at home. And the rapists outside the home just find someone else to rape. The problem here is the RAPISTS not the teenagers, or the teenagers’ parents.

          “Authorities cannot ignore one crime because they don’t have enough evidence for another.”

          The issue here isn’t lack of evidence. It’s the police not doing their job properly and instead buying into rape culture. RNZ has had a good overview of this at the top of their news in the last vew hours, go listen to it properly.

          Suggesting that the parents prosecute civilly instead of the police prosecuting criminally just supports rape culture too. I also doubt that the women that have been raped want to be paid by their rapists. Or were you suggesting that the money go to the parents?

          • Colonial Viper 13.2.1.1.1
            4 November 2013 at 1:45 pm

            Seems like a civil prosecution should be brought immediately as nothing else is being done, and it does not preclude a criminal prosecution down the track.

            • weka 13.2.1.1.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 2:38 pm

              What McFlock said below. Plus you need to realise the social context this is happening within. Many of the people around those girls, and some of the girls themselves, won’t be calling this rape yet. Aero can go on about parental responsibilities for protection, but there is a societal protection issue here too. Those young women have been left in a situation where they are being damaged. Society needs to stand up and take responsibility for this, so that as well as caretaking those teens the culture also changes.. Otherwise, even if some boys get sued, not alot will change.

              A strong message needs to be sent that both protects the young women right now, but also changes how the men involved are thinking and acting.

              Even if it turns out that the police can’t lay charges (which I don’t believe on the basis of what I have read so far), they could still be going into those communities and dealing with this at that level. Rape Crisis and the NZ Police could collaborate on naming rape culture and then re-educating that generation coming through. The reason the Police don’t do that is rape culture.

              • Ennui …
                4 November 2013 at 3:05 pm

                What I find most disturbing about this whole episode is that there is a moral malaise, a disconnection. I watched the young men on TV, it left me feeling sickened and empty. Where was the “empathy” that made your fellow person a person, and not just a material object to be used, abused and thrown aside like a cigarette butt? How can those young men grow up so lacking emotionally? What does that say about their self awareness and their visions of their own futures?

                I wont comment on the Police and “rape culture”. What I will say is that the Police did not appear to have fully explored the legal avenues open to them, the line was their hands were tied without witnesses coming forward. Somebody with more legal knowledge might wish to comment on this: it appeared to me that there was a conspiracy to commit an illegal act at minimum.

                • Tat Loo (CV) …
                  4 November 2013 at 3:09 pm

                  People are largely a product of the family, social and urban environments that they are exposed to.

                  The more sociopathic we make society at large, the more sociopathic individuals are going to be.

              • Tat Loo …
                4 November 2013 at 5:49 pm

                Those young women have been left in a situation where they are being damaged. Society needs to stand up and take responsibility for this, so that as well as caretaking those teens the culture also changes..

                I can’t see the politics of the situation allowing any real societal changes to be made: damage to our young people and throwing them on to the scrap heap is something which has been quite acceptable in NZ for a long period of time.

                Everywhere you look in this case there are victims. Those young guys, the perps, say they were done for multiple counts of rape and put away for 10-15 years each, well they will come out after that with next to zero educational and job prospects, just lots of criminal connections from the prison. More young NZers wasted.

                It’s also quite easy to say “society needs to stand up and take responsbility” but that’s very vague and anyhows it falls on to the relevant local communities and the immediate families involved more than anyone else.

                Rape Crisis and the NZ Police could collaborate on naming rape culture and then re-educating that generation coming through. The reason the Police don’t do that is rape culture.

                Get the politicians to order the police to do it then, and provide the budget. If you think it will make any difference.

        • McFlock 13.2.1.2
          4 November 2013 at 2:12 pm

          So the parents need to hire a lawyer to do the job that the police won’t, otherwise it’s the parents who are being negligent?

          And, of course, hope that little jimmy mcphoto’s daddy isn’t rich enouch to hire a slew of lawyers and bankrupt them with counter-suits.

          It would be pretty hard for these young men to continue to offend if the police were pressing charged, or at least saying something other than claiming not to be able to do anything without a complaint. Fucksake, they can get murder convictions without having a body, but they can’t do anything when a crime is posted on FB?

          • aerobubble 13.2.1.2.1
            6 November 2013 at 3:36 pm

            There’s a room, there’s alcohol, they have to been supplied, parents have to know where their kids are, and Police can act in case of endangerment of minors.

    • Tat Loo 13.3
      4 November 2013 at 1:17 pm

      I would have thought that some kind of privacy charge would be an easy one to go for – not unlike some recent cases of guys getting done for filming up skirts or hiding cameras in bathrooms etc.

      But someone has to lay a complaint I suppose…

    • Draco T Bastard 13.4
      4 November 2013 at 2:17 pm

      If young men assert online of activities that are illegal and involve minors…

      If they’re doing that then it amounts to a confession of crime with intent and they should be going to jail.

    • greywarbler 13.5
      4 November 2013 at 5:45 pm

      The parents protecting their girls, if they are at work all day and looking after children and family all night, their girls might slip out and get into trouble. Parents aren’t able to be in three places at once.

      The parents aiming to have responsible boys with standards of behaviour. What do they teach their boys about decent treatment of girls and other people. Do they see their job as just to feed them lots of meat and take them to sports games, and make sure they pass their exams. Is there any talk about personal standards, about respect for others, about not just yielding to whatever animal impulse passes through their minds?

      If those parents knew their son was involved in this facebook stuff what are they doing and saying to him with anger and sorrow as to his behaviour? It’s not all about girls being foolish and losing their heads. Most girls wouldn’t think of ganging up to enjoy a boy who they are controlling. Perhaps they should, instead of being victimised and used as playthings by males abusing the girl’s very essence, her femaleness and intrinsic desire to relate to a male which drives the world and always has.

      • greywarbler 13.5.1
        4 November 2013 at 6:48 pm

        Can my comment come off moderation. Down from No.13 from 17..45 Thanks

        • lprent 13.5.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 6:58 pm

          It has been a long day. Get up at 0430 (after barely sleeping) to catch a 6am flight back to Auckland. Then off to work after a shower at home on the way through. A bit too vague to capture a transient bug with Aids to Navigation (AtoNs) that showed up on friday after I’d left for conference. Finally left a couple of devices running with logging on overnight. Headed home for some kip at 4pm….

          Done.

          Now the creation of dinner….

  14. Brett Dale 14
    4 November 2013 at 1:33 pm

    How in the hell arent these ” Roast Busters” rapists arrested for rape??? This is beyond repugnant.

    • Pascal's bookie 14.1
      4 November 2013 at 1:41 pm

      It’s called ‘rape culture’ Brett.

      Listen to the policeman talk about how they can’t arrest anyone because no victim has been ‘brave enough’ to make a fomal statement. That there is rape culture. that’s what them there feminists are talking about.

      Then go read the discussion at Public address, particularly this comment from Emma Hart, though there are many more:

      http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-narcissists-and-bullies/?p=299955#post299955

      • idlegus 14.1.1
        4 November 2013 at 2:17 pm

        yeah that cop was disgusting. they said they had a word with the ‘boys’, ‘dont brag about it fellas, otherwise you gonna get busted…’ or somethign along those lines?. those boys families must be utterly embarrassed, well i hope so!

      • Brett Dale 14.1.2
        4 November 2013 at 2:24 pm

        Pascal:

        I understand that, but surly there is enough evidence, why not seize these rapists cell phones/computers, I think its a safe bet that they took pictures of their victims in a state
        of undress, that would be child pornography, then you can arrest them.

        Ps: thanks for the link.

        • Pascal's bookie 14.1.2.1
          4 November 2013 at 3:41 pm

          Well there’s all sorts of things we might think the police could have been doing. We know, for instance, that they don’t hesitate to use the GCSB to track cellphones and metadata. We don’t know what sort of things for exactly, but we’ve been told it’s drugs and money laundering.

          Tracking a gang of rapists who gloat about their activities however, seems to be not a priority.

          • Brett Dale 14.1.2.1.1
            4 November 2013 at 3:58 pm

            Pascal:

            you know, I have to say this, its disappointing, that the left are saying stuff about the police, the right are saying stuff about the girls drinking..

            IMHO what needs to be said, is that these rapists are the ones to blame 100%, its rape and they belong in jail.

            • McFlock 14.1.2.1.1.1
              4 November 2013 at 4:02 pm

              Who is tasked with investigating crimes and then prosecuting alleged offenders in court, thus enabling them, if guilty beyond reasonable doubt, to be put in gaol?

            • Pascal's bookie 14.1.2.1.1.2
              4 November 2013 at 4:10 pm

              Well to go to jail, generally requires being arrested.

            • Pascal's bookie 14.1.2.1.1.3
              4 November 2013 at 4:13 pm

              Also kind of weird, that you criticise me, when you said pretty much the same thing:

              but surly there is enough evidence, why not seize these rapists cell phones/computers, I think its a safe bet that they took pictures of their victims in a state
              of undress, that would be child pornography, then you can arrest them.

              But you know, the left and the right are just the same. Coz questioning the police and blaming the victims is the same.

              • Rogue Trooper …
                4 November 2013 at 5:23 pm

                sigh, maybe these days have been coming ever since gamers began having vicarious sex in Grand Theft Auto. Certainly evidence of more dehumanization of victims by offenders in these social trends. Been similar rings of men found offending on a huge scale in the UK. Generally facilitated by the admission of drug and / or alcohol. Yet we hear that the Taliban are misogynist…

                • greywarbler …
                  4 November 2013 at 5:54 pm

                  RT
                  What I read about the UK seemed to be Indian/Pakistani men with white girls. I think that the high barriers against some cultures having sex outside marriage, mean that they look at western women who don’t keep to that rule, thinking that they are ‘easy’ and don’t deserve any respect as people. The dark side of the purity culture. The division of women into saint or whore, respect or availability.

                • weka …
                  4 November 2013 at 6:03 pm

                  “sigh, maybe these days have been coming ever since gamers began having vicarious sex in Grand Theft Auto. Certainly evidence of more dehumanization of victims by offenders in these social trends.”

                  I do think that things we do for ‘recreation’ affect our thinking and behaviour. But pack rape of drunk girls in social settings is not new and predates computer games by a long way. This is about rape culture RT. Modern violent culture overlays that for sure, but it’s not the core of it.

            • Morrissey 14.1.2.1.1.4
              4 November 2013 at 5:45 pm

              you know, I have to say this, its disappointing, that the left are saying stuff about the police, the right are saying stuff about the girls drinking..

              IMHO what needs to be said, is that these rapists are the ones to blame 100%, its rape and they belong in jail.

              You really are a fool. Everyone else here is making a serious attempt to talk about (yet another) police failure, and you’ve once again tried to sidetrack discussion by launching into one of your wandery and confused speculations about left and right.

              Please stay on your own blog, where you can continue to write all sorts of silly things, and bother nobody.

              • Anne …
                4 November 2013 at 7:49 pm

                Morrissey, I don’t think Brett is deliberately trying to sidetrack. He’s as angry about it as the rest of us – just looking at it from a different perspective.

                • Brett Dale …
                  4 November 2013 at 9:21 pm

                  Anne:

                  Thanks, like everybody else in newzealand, I feel disgusted at this.

                • Morrissey …
                  5 November 2013 at 4:28 pm

                  I disagree, Anne. Brett Dale has an established track record of attempting to derail serious discussions by making bizarre comments like he has done, yet again, here. You are being very charitable in your assessment of this pest.

        • Sosoo 14.1.2.2
          4 November 2013 at 4:45 pm

          So you want to convict people who are 16 or 17 years old for child pornography because they took naked pictures of a 15 year old?

          FFS. They would all be minors in the US.

          • weka 14.1.2.2.1
            4 November 2013 at 6:05 pm

            Are you saying that minors shouldn’t be charged with crimes?

            Or that publishing photos of naked teenage girls on the internet without their consent that isn’t a crime?

          • Brett Dale 14.1.2.2.2
            4 November 2013 at 9:24 pm

            Sosoo

            I want to prosecute people who get underage girls drunk, rape them, film it,
            share it on the internet, and then show off about it, and then try to recruit other rapists if they pay them 20 dollars.

            You do understand what happen was rape?

    • Sosoo 14.2
      4 November 2013 at 4:16 pm

      Because New Zealand has always been a hotbed of drunken teenage promiscuity, and the police have better things to do than listen to the tales of adolescent braggarts and fantasists.

      Here’s what the cop said:

      “We’ve told them their behaviour is verging on criminal if not criminal, and suggested it cease,” says Mr Scott. “Some of the boys and their families were compliant and we believe they have stopped associating with the group.”

      That’s the common sense response in my view. They’d never get a conviction, as half of NZ has engaged in drunk teenage sex.

      • weka 14.2.1
        4 November 2013 at 5:37 pm

        Are you saying that if a 15 yr old girl is so drunk she can’t speak or move, and a number of teen boys put their penises inside her, that SHE is having ‘drunk teen sex’?

        • Morrissey 14.2.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 5:48 pm

          Are you saying that if a 15 yr old girl is so drunk she can’t speak or move, and a number of teen boys put their penises inside her, that SHE is having ‘drunk teen sex’?

          Sounds familiar. Three years ago Murray Deaker and Andy Haden were pushing the same obscene argument….
          http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/deaker-says-haden-treated-unfairly-3638070

        • Pascal's bookie 14.2.1.2
          4 November 2013 at 6:23 pm

          And what if one of the penises in question was attached to the son of a cop.

          • idlegus 14.2.1.2.1
            4 November 2013 at 6:30 pm

            one of the boys is the son of an ‘international celebrity’, the other, the son of a cop, according to tv3…certainly beginning to stink. tho the cop on rnz did make a lot of sense, but now this comes out?

  15. Virginia Linton 15
    4 November 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Good on Carol Beaumont for asking why the police have not done more about these jerks for two years. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11151264 How many victims could have been saved had they expressed public concern long before now?

    • weka 15.1
      4 November 2013 at 2:41 pm

      The more that comes out the worse it gets 🙁

    • weka 15.2
      4 November 2013 at 2:51 pm

      Reading the Public Address thread now. This –

      Kyle Matthews, About 4 hours ago

      To quote one of our criminal lawyers:

      “Leaving aside that what is being described here is very clearly rape, it seems pretty clear that it’s also making an intimate visual recording without consent in terms of s 216 of the Crimes Act.”

      Also, honestly, two years? At some stage the police wouldn’t want to get a little proactive and put some weekend surveillance in when young women are being raped? Even if it didn’t lead to convictions, it might have had a preventative measure – excuse me sir, just before you go any further, can we talk to the young woman and you? Oh she’s smashed, I think she can come with us and not with you. Thanks.

      That’s a pretty clear indictment of how the NZ Police view rape, still. And how much this society values young women (or young men for that matter). Consider how much time, effort, money the police put into other crimes where they know they are occuring over 2 years. Hell, consider how much effort went into the Tuhoe raids. The men in this situation are in fact domestic terrorists.

      • Brett Dale 15.2.1
        4 November 2013 at 4:28 pm

        Not sure if this is there twitter account, but its called roast busters and seems to be supporting them

        @ki_suvaSPJ

      • greywarbler 15.2.2
        4 November 2013 at 6:19 pm

        How society views young men and young women. How young men and young women view themselves. How they value themselves and have pride in themselves. Thoughtful questions?
        There will always be the need to protect oneself against addictive booze and other drugs. Also people who would like to get something valuable from you for free. Mugging or hugging can have similar outcomes! It is sad to see behaviour that was illustrated and written about in the 1700s occurring today. Can’t we learn?

        There is a famous Hogarth picture of a drunk mother slumped on the ground, her baby falling out of her arms. This was shown alongside a sign ‘Drunk for 1 penny, Dead drunk for tuppence, Straw for nothing’!!
        Hogarth was disturbed about the venality of the government encouraging distilling as it used grain which was suffering a slump in sales, and the gin sales caused consequent decay of society. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane

        http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/Mothers-Ruin/
        In the 1730’s notices could be seen all over London. The message was short and to the point
        ‘Drunk for 1 penny, Dead drunk for tuppence, Straw for nothing’!!
        In London alone, there were more than 7,000 ‘dram shops’, and 10 million gallons of gin were being distilled annually in the capital…

    • felix 15.3
      4 November 2013 at 4:44 pm

      The NZ Police not investigating the pack-rape of drunk women?

      Quelle surprise.

    • Chooky 15.4
      4 November 2013 at 5:18 pm

      Virginia Linton+100….there needs to be some sort of official inquiry into this

  16. Pascal's bookie 16
    4 November 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Noted commie journo Chris Keall, of the NBR:

    https://twitter.com/ChrisKeall/status/397200560702513152/photo/1

    “Official NZ govt site should be used by the govt of the day for straight info, not school-boy shots at the opposition”

    • Murray Olsen 16.1
      5 November 2013 at 9:31 pm

      That’s the sort of rubbish you’d see in a third world dictatorship, and shows why Tories should never be allowed near the levers of power.

  17. Penny Bright 17
    4 November 2013 at 4:26 pm

    FYI

    PROTEST! Oppose the TICS and International Convention Centre Bills!

    WHEN: Tuesday 5 November 2013 (Guy Fawkes Day)
    TIME: 12 noon – 2pm
    WHERE: Outside TVNZ (Corner of Hobson and Victoria Streets Auckland City)

    (Both the TICS and International Convention Centre Bills listed on the provisional NZ Parliamentary ‘Order Paper’ for 5 November 2013 http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0001954127 )

    While this National/ACT Government continues to violate citizens lawful rights to privacy, freedom of expression and freedom of association under the TICS Bill, ( http://techliberty.org.nz/changes-to-the-tics-bill/ ) there has been no ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering at Sky City under the International Convention Centre Bill, which effectively allows anonymity to money-launderers and organised criminals?

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/increased-risk-of-money-laundering-at-sky-city-no-due-diligence-by-auckland-council/

    Quite unbelievable, in my considered opinion, that OFCANZ (illegally) sought and obtained the assistance of the GCSB in the unlawful surveillance of Kim Dotcom, and charged him with money-laundering, yet have not lifted a finger to do ‘due diligence’ on the arguably FAR bigger money-laundering threat arising from the International Convention Centre (Sky City) Bill?

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SKY-CITY-OFCANZ-OIA-REPLY-NO-DUE-DLIGENCE-RE-MONEY-LAUNDERING-bright-penny-06-c211711-2-sent-reply.pdf

    A GREAT look for New Zealand – ‘perceived’ to be ‘the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (along with Denmark and Finland) , according to the Transparency International 2012 Corruption Perception Index?

    NOT!

    http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results

    Protest organised by Penny Bright and Jax Taylor.

    Those opposed to the TICS and International Convention Centre Bill are welcome!

    Cheers!

    ‘Her Warship’ 😉

  18. Pascal's bookie 18
    4 November 2013 at 4:39 pm

    The PM thinks the young rapists are disgusting and that they should grow up.

    https://twitter.com/felixmarwick/status/397193896733593600

    • felix 18.1
      4 November 2013 at 4:47 pm

      Maybe they could grow up and join the police.

    • McFlock 18.2
      4 November 2013 at 4:54 pm

      they should grow up and get past that rapey phase that many young torieboys go through, but they can keep their knighthoods because they got those awards for other reasons. /sarc

    • gobsmacked 18.3
      4 November 2013 at 5:08 pm

      Key’s comments at presser:

      These young guys should just grow up,” Key said this afternoon.

      “I guess, as a parent, I find the issue very disturbing and abhorrent really.

      “I mean, you are talking about youngsters who are at a very delicate age.”

      Key defended the work of police, who have spent two years investigating the gang, without any charges brought.

      “It is very difficult to progress this issue, if someone isn’t prepared to make a formal complaint.

      “And it’s a very challenging situation for a young woman to put herself in that position.”

      It’s very revealing – the first instinct of the authoritarian-conservative … defend police.

      Victims come first, but authority comes firster.

      • weka 18.3.1
        4 November 2013 at 5:18 pm

        “a formal complaint”

        Would like to see a legal opinion on this. I was of the understanding that for statuatory rape, a complaint by the underage girl wasn’t necessary for someone to be charged.

        • Murray Olsen 18.3.1.1
          5 November 2013 at 9:46 pm

          In my last year at school, one of my friend’s sister was found to be having sex with her boyfriend two weeks before her 16th birthday. The police charged the guy even though she begged them not to. He was about 6 months older than her, and his father was a truck driver. That was a while ago, but they certainly didn’t need a complaint then. This case stinks in more ways than one.

      • Rogue Trooper 18.3.2
        4 November 2013 at 5:41 pm

        Wow, just wow.no mention of the crimes being committed. gobsmacked indeed.

  19. Brett Dale 19
    4 November 2013 at 4:50 pm

    What PM Key should’ve said. is…

    “These guys are rapists who belong in jail for rape, and if they have filmed their victims, they are also guilty of child pornography”

  20. Brett Dale 20
    4 November 2013 at 4:51 pm

    This is not a FUCKIN case of teen boys behaving badly its a case of people gang raping under age girls.

  21. tc 21
    4 November 2013 at 5:23 pm

    The Boiler Suit and other working class looks coming this way…

    “In the last Australian election Liberal strategist Mark Textor put then-opposition leader Tony Abbott in a bright velcro vest and hard hat right at the centre of campaign pictures. Now in Britain his partner Lynton Crosby has further developed the working look by putting his client, Prime Minister David Cameron, into a boiler suit.”

  22. chris73 22
    4 November 2013 at 5:30 pm

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9358829/Cunliffe-backs-gender-quota

    In case you’re all wondering what readers of stuff think theres a poll

    • weka 22.1
      4 November 2013 at 5:40 pm

      Surely even you can see the leading bias in the way the ‘poll’ question was asked.

      Do you agree with Labour’s MP gender quota?

      Yes it’s a good idea, we need more female MPs

      No, MPs should be selected on their merits, not their sex

      Dumb fucks.

    • McFlock 22.2
      4 November 2013 at 5:41 pm

      🙄

    • gobsmacked 22.3
      4 November 2013 at 5:46 pm

      In case you’re all wondering what readers of stuff think theres a poll

      wondering- No, we aren’t
      readers – No, they aren’t
      think – No, they don’t
      poll – No, it isn’t

    • Morrissey 22.4
      4 November 2013 at 5:53 pm

      “Readers of stuff”? LOL. You mean: what highly organised National Party supporters have been told to vote.

      How many times did YOU vote, as a matter of interest?

      • chris73 22.4.1
        4 November 2013 at 6:08 pm

        Once, only seems to allow one vote per PC or at least it doesn’t seem to change the total if you vote more then and of course left wingers would never organize to vote on an on-line poll (thats sarcasm by the way)

    • Tat Loo (CV) 22.5
      4 November 2013 at 5:56 pm

      I don’t expect the gender quota policy to be particularly popular amongst voters as a whole. But that wasn’t the point of the remit. Hopefully some professional polling is done on the issue some time soon.

      • chris73 22.5.1
        4 November 2013 at 6:15 pm

        Well I would have thought that if you encourage more women to run for office then you’ll get a greater pool of talent to select from

      • jaymam 22.5.2
        4 November 2013 at 8:15 pm

        I can tell you right now that the genda quota policy is exceedingly stupid and could be enough to stop Labour winning the next election. Get rid of it, and quickly!

  23. Rosie 23
    4 November 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Roastbusters. (as per conversation above) So on the news just now it’s been said that one of the boys’ is the son of an entertainer and another is the son of a cop, no mention of whose sons they are. Since this isn’t a case of name suppression because we’ve never got as far as the courts with this, what is it? Do the lawyers for the father prevent their clients names from being broadcast? Why are they protected when the girls aren’t?

    Why did the cop say last night they couldn’t do anything because none of the girls have been “brave” enough to come forward? The shame isn’t theirs to own, so did he really mean “they haven’t come forward because they don’t feel supported enough to do so”? Why did the reporter feel it necessary to say that one of the victims had already lost her “innocence”? How is that relevant to her being raped?

    Age old rhetorical questions. The problem is they are still being asked.

    • chris73 23.1
      4 November 2013 at 6:38 pm

      One of those times when I just think WTF is going on with guys these days and yeah I think that maybe some laws could be looked at…I dunno maybe a lawyer could explain it better but maybe the burden of proof required to start an investigation could be lowered if the alleged crime involves under age kids, drugs or something

      • weka 23.1.1
        4 November 2013 at 7:25 pm

        “I just think WTF is going on with guys these days”

        Chris73, this is not new behaviour. The difference now is that people are willing to talk about it, and talk about it as rape (thank-you feminism for all the hard work in the past few decades). Plus there is the internet which alters the discourse hugely. And of course the internet allows those young men to be complete arseholes in a much more public way. But make no mistake, this behaviour has been around for a very long time.

        • greywarbler 23.1.1.1
          4 November 2013 at 8:20 pm

          It’s possible that chris73 has not met the type of bloke that’s an exhibitionist. That would take a photo of his penis and send that to someone he wants to interest or shock or both.

          There’s a lot going on that doesn’t enter many people’s understanding. From that behaviour going on to more advanced titillation is a few steps. I think the word that covers both the male, and female behaviour in being attracted to these sleazebags, would be hedonism – .
          the pursuit of pleasure; sensual self-indulgence.

    • Pascal's bookie 23.2
      4 November 2013 at 6:41 pm

      God only knows why someone wouldn’t want to go the police to say they were raped by a cop’s son. Hardly worth mentioning really eh?

    • weka 23.3
      4 November 2013 at 7:26 pm

      “Why did the reporter feel it necessary to say that one of the victims had already lost her “innocence”?”

      christ, did they really use the word ‘innocence’?

      • Rosie 23.3.1
        4 November 2013 at 8:41 pm

        I’ve only got the website link with text, not the actual reporters words but they did relate to the young woman who was interviewed below:

        “One girl, who is choosing to remain anonymous, says the Roast Busters stole her soul.
        “They don’t understand how I feel inside; they don’t understand how this has hurt me,” she says.
        Police say the girl is one of a number of drunk, underage victims they’ve interviewed about being exploited by the Roast Busters”

        http://www.3news.co.nz/Roast-Busters-sons-of-high-profile-entertainer-cop/tabid/423/articleID/320034/Default.aspx#.UndLx3CBnrc

        It was one of those “if/but” unnecessary sentences that acts as a disclaimer to the information provided. I wonder if TV3 sought to minimise her reality and her pain by pointing out that the victim had lost her virginity as an underage person. By saying it, they were already discrediting the criminal act of the young men involved.

        PB: Yeah, I mean why would you need to feel “brave” when faced with the potential parent of your rapist. How many young women were threatened with the line: “don’t even bother with the cops, my dad is one, bitch” And still the same spokesperson for the cops said tonight, that had nothing to do with their lack of action…………

  24. greywarbler 24
    4 November 2013 at 8:37 pm

    I hope that someone has warned the Afghani interpreters and their families about the Bangers being exploded on November 5th, and before and after. Four very loud bombs blasts have just gone off. They could sound like IEDs.

    As fireworks which were meant to be colourful things, these are a sham. I hate the things, and I think they should be limited to one public place, where people can buy one or two to let off in a field or something and there is a set piece to watch and it raises money for the local firefighters, appropriately. And too many fireworks especially bangers get held over and exploded at various times during the year long after November 5th.

    • Rosie 24.1
      4 November 2013 at 9:01 pm

      Yes, on to a another topic, that of Guy Fawkes. We do have a number of refugee’s from war zones living in NZ and I’ve wondered before what they think of NZer’s sense of fun at blowing things up in the night suddenly without warning, at this time of the year.

      Today, yet again, I’ve signed what seems to be an annual petition to govt to ban the private sale of fireworks. As usual it was from animal welfare orientated group. As usual it will be ignored. Who wants to be the government that bans “fun” ? No one so far.

      I’m all for public displays in a controlled environment. Better that than leave explosives in the hands of folks that intentionally set out to harm domestic and farmed animals that the SPCA have to deal with every year. Let alone the stress caused by fireworks to animals kept indoors on Guy Fawkes night.Tomorrow, I’ll spend half the evening lying under the bed trying to calm our cat friend down.

      Our suburbia encroaches onto farmland where we have several bird species that are nesting with their chicks as well as sheep with their lambs and cows with their calves. As well as all the development these animals have to cope with (this is another story for another time)they have to cope with sounds that are frightening to them. Got to marvel at human sensitivity and intelligence.

      • aerobubble 24.1.1
        8 November 2013 at 4:17 pm

        Its essential for democracy to have outlets for political expression. Celebrating the bomber of parliament by burning his image is for me the one finger to both the terrorists, and the authoritarians who would see any chatter about government to be unlawful. And then there is the very real gain that we manage fireworks and control gun powder.

  25. lolitasbrother 25
    5 November 2013 at 1:14 am

    you are a load of fun Rosie

    • greywarbler 25.1
      5 November 2013 at 10:37 am

      lolita or somebody’s brother
      You obviously can’t get to sleep because of the fireworks and the noise or the worry that you won’t have any fireworks and noise if intelligent people can stop this childish expensive destructive ritual.
      Adequate sleep is very necessary for clear thinking and the growth of brain function and general health. Before you get to be somebody’s partner, or somebody’s father it would be a good idea to get lots of sleep.

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    This morning the sky was bright.The birds, in their usual joyous bliss. Nature doesn’t seem to feel the heat of what might angst humans.Their calls are clear and beautiful.Just some random thoughts:MāoriPaul Goldsmith has announced his government will roll back the judiciary’s rulings on Māori Customary Marine Title, which recognises ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 day ago
  • Foreshore and seabed 2.0

    In 2003, the Court of Appeal delivered its decision in Ngati Apa v Attorney-General, ruling that Māori customary title over the foreshore and seabed had not been universally extinguished, and that the Māori Land Court could determine claims and confirm title if the facts supported it. This kicked off the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the Royal Commission report into abuse in care

    Earlier this week at Parliament, Labour leader Chris Hipkins was applauded for saying that the response to the final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care had to be “bigger than politics.” True, but the fine words, apologies and “we hear you” messages will soon ring ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    1 day ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Friday, July 26

    TL;DR: In news breaking this morning:The Ministry of Education is cutting $2 billion from its school building programme so the National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government has enough money to deliver tax cuts; The Government has quietly lowered its child poverty reduction targets to make them easier to achieve;Te Whatu Ora-Health NZ’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • Weekly Roundup 26-July-2024

    Kia ora. These are some stories that caught our eye this week – as always, feel free to share yours in the comments. Our header image this week (via Eke Panuku) shows the planned upgrade for the Karanga Plaza Tidal Swimming Steps. The week in Greater Auckland On ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    1 day ago
  • God what a relief

    1. What's not to love about the way the Harris campaign is turning things around?a. Nothingb. Love all of itc. God what a reliefd. Not that it will be by any means easye. All of the above 2. Documents released by the Ministry of Health show Associate Health Minister Casey ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    1 day ago
  • Trust In Me

    Trust in me in all you doHave the faith I have in youLove will see us through, if only you trust in meWhy don't you, you trust me?In a week that saw the release of the 3,000 page Abuse in Care report Christopher Luxon was being asked about Boot Camps. ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 day ago
  • The Hoon around the week to July 26

    TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking about the Royal Commission Inquiry into Abuse in Care report released this week, and with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent on a UN push to not recognise carbon offset markets and ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Friday, July 26

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 26, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Transport: Simeon Brown announced $802.9 million in funding for 18 new trains on the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines, which ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • Radical law changes needed to build road

    The northern expressway extension from Warkworth to Whangarei is likely to require radical changes to legislation if it is going to be built within the foreseeable future. The Government’s powers to purchase land, the planning process and current restrictions on road tolling are all going to need to be changed ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    1 day ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #30 2024

    Open access notables Could an extremely cold central European winter such as 1963 happen again despite climate change?, Sippel et al., Weather and Climate Dynamics: Here, we first show based on multiple attribution methods that a winter of similar circulation conditions to 1963 would still lead to an extreme seasonal ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago
  • First they came for the Māori

    Text within this block will maintain its original spacing when publishedFirst they came for the doctors But I was confused by the numbers and costs So I didn't speak up Then they came for our police and nurses And I didn't think we could afford those costs anyway So I ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    2 days ago
  • Join us for the weekly Hoon on YouTube Live

    Photo by Joshua J. Cotten on UnsplashWe’re back again after our mid-winter break. We’re still with the ‘new’ day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when we have our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm.Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Will the real PM Luxon please stand up?

    Notes: This is a free article. Abuse in Care themes are mentioned. Video is at the bottom.BackgroundYesterday’s report into Abuse in Care revealed that at least 1 in 3 of all who went through state and faith based care were abused - often horrifically. At least, because not all survivors ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    2 days ago
  • Will debt reduction trump abuse in care redress?

    Luxon speaks in Parliament yesterday about the Abuse in Care report. Photo: Hagen Hopkins/Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:PM Christopher Luxon said yesterday in tabling the Abuse in Care report in Parliament he wanted to ‘do the ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Olywhites and Time Bandits

    About a decade ago I worked with a bloke called Steve. He was the grizzled veteran coder, a few years older than me, who knew where the bodies were buried - code wise. Despite his best efforts to be approachable and friendly he could be kind of gruff, through to ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago
  • Why were the 1930s so hot in North America?

    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Jeff Masters and Bob Henson Those who’ve trawled social media during heat waves have likely encountered a tidbit frequently used to brush aside human-caused climate change: Many U.S. states and cities had their single hottest temperature on record during the 1930s, setting incredible heat marks ...
    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago
  • Throwback Thursday – Thinking about Expressways

    Some of the recent announcements from the government have reminded us of posts we’ve written in the past. Here’s one from early 2020. There were plenty of reactions to the government’s infrastructure announcement a few weeks ago which saw them fund a bunch of big roading projects. One of ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Thursday, July 25

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Thursday, July 25 are:News: Why Electric Kiwi is closing to new customers - and why it matters RNZ’s Susan EdmundsScoop: Government drops ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The Possum: Demon or Friend?

    Hi,I felt a small wet tongue snaking through one of the holes in my Crocs. It explored my big toe, darting down one side, then the other. “He’s looking for some toe cheese,” said the woman next to me, words that still haunt me to this day.Growing up in New ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago
  • Not a story

    Yesterday I happily quoted the Prime Minister without fact-checking him and sure enough, it turns out his numbers were all to hell. It’s not four kg of Royal Commission report, it’s fourteen.My friend and one-time colleague-in-comms Hazel Phillips gently alerted me to my error almost as soon as I’d hit ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Thursday, July 25

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 25, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:The Abuse in Care Royal Commission of Inquiry published its final report yesterday.PM Christopher Luxon and The Minister responsible for ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • A tougher line on “proactive release”?

    The Official Information Act has always been a battle between requesters seeking information, and governments seeking to control it. Information is power, so Ministers and government agencies want to manage what is released and when, for their own convenience, and legality and democracy be damned. Their most recent tactic for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • 'Let's build a motorway costing $100 million per km, before emissions costs'

    TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:Transport and Energy Minister Simeon Brown is accelerating plans to spend at least $10 billion through Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) to extend State Highway One as a four-lane ‘Expressway’ from Warkworth to Whangarei ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Lester's Prescription – Positive Bleeding.

    I live my life (woo-ooh-ooh)With no control in my destinyYea-yeah, yea-yeah (woo-ooh-ooh)I can bleed when I want to bleedSo come on, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)You can bleed when you want to bleedYea-yeah, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)Everybody bleed when they want to bleedCome on and bleedGovernments face tough challenges. Selling unpopular decisions to ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • Casey Costello gaslights Labour in the House

    Please note:To skip directly to the- parliamentary footage in the video, scroll to 1:21 To skip to audio please click on the headphone icon on the left hand side of the screenThis video / audio section is under development. ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • Why is the Texas grid in such bad shape?

    This is a re-post from the Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler Headline from 2021 The Texas grid, run by ERCOT, has had a rough few years. In 2021, winter storm Uri blacked out much of the state for several days. About a week ago, Hurricane Beryl knocked out ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on a textbook case of spending waste by the Luxon government

    Given the crackdown on wasteful government spending, it behooves me to point to a high profile example of spending by the Luxon government that looks like a big, fat waste of time and money. I’m talking about the deployment of NZDF personnel to support the US-led coalition in the Red ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Wednesday, July 24

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:40 am on Wednesday, July 24 are:Deep Dive: Chipping away at the housing crisis, including my comments RNZ/Newsroom’s The DetailNews: Government softens on asset sales, ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • LXR Takaanini

    As I reported about the city centre, Auckland’s rail network is also going through a difficult and disruptive period which is rapidly approaching a culmination, this will result in a significant upgrade to the whole network. Hallelujah. Also like the city centre this is an upgrade predicated on the City ...
    Greater AucklandBy Patrick Reynolds
    3 days ago
  • Four kilograms of pain

    Today, a 4 kilogram report will be delivered to Parliament. We know this is what the report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care weighs, because our Prime Minister told us so.Some reporter had blindsided him by asking a question about something done by ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Wednesday, July 24

    TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 24, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Beehive: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced plans to use PPPs to fund, build and run a four-lane expressway between Auckland ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Luxon gets caught out

    NewstalkZB host Mike Hosking, who can usually be relied on to give Prime Minister Christopher Luxon an easy run, did not do so yesterday when he interviewed him about the HealthNZ deficit. Luxon is trying to use a deficit reported last year by HealthNZ as yet another example of the ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago
  • A worrying sign

    Back in January a StatsNZ employee gave a speech at Rātana on behalf of tangata whenua in which he insulted and criticised the government. The speech clearly violated the principle of a neutral public service, and StatsNZ started an investigation. Part of that was getting an external consultant to examine ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Are we fine with 47.9% home-ownership by 2048?

    Renting for life: Shared ownership initiatives are unlikely to slow the slide in home ownership by much. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:A Deloitte report for Westpac has projected Aotearoa’s home-ownership rate will ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Let's Win This

    You're broken down and tiredOf living life on a merry go roundAnd you can't find the fighterBut I see it in you so we gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsWe gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsAnd I'll rise upI'll rise like the dayI'll rise upI'll rise unafraidI'll rise upAnd I'll ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • Waimahara: The Singing Spirit of Water

    There’s been a change in Myers Park. Down the steps from St. Kevin’s Arcade, past the grassy slopes, the children’s playground, the benches and that goat statue, there has been a transformation. The underpass for Mayoral Drive has gone from a barren, grey, concrete tunnel, to a place that thrums ...
    Greater AucklandBy Connor Sharp
    4 days ago
  • A major milestone: Global climate pollution may have just peaked

    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections Global society may have finally slammed on the brakes for climate-warming pollution released by human fossil fuel combustion. According to the Carbon Monitor Project, the total global climate pollution released between February and May 2024 declined slightly from the amount released during the same ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Tuesday, July 23

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Tuesday, July 23 are:Deep Dive: Penlink: where tolling rhetoric meets reality BusinessDesk-$$$’s Oliver LewisScoop: Te Pūkenga plans for regional polytechs leak out ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Tuesday, July 23

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 23, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Health: Shane Reti announced the Board of Te Whatu Ora- Health New Zealand was being replaced with Commissioner Lester Levy ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • HealthNZ and Luxon at cross purposes over budget blowout

    Health NZ warned the Government at the end of March that it was running over Budget. But the reasons it gave were very different to those offered by the Prime Minister yesterday. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon blamed the “botched merger” of the 20 District Health Boards (DHBs) to create Health ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • 2500-3000 more healthcare staff expected to be fired, as Shane Reti blames Labour for a budget defic...

    Long ReadKey Summary: Although National increased the health budget by $1.4 billion in May, they used an old funding model to project health system costs, and never bothered to update their pre-election numbers. They were told during the Health Select Committees earlier in the year their budget amount was deficient, ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    4 days ago
  • Might Kamala Harris be about to get a 'stardust' moment like Jacinda Ardern?

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    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    5 days ago
  • Solutions Interview: Steven Hail on MMT & ecological economics

    TL;DR: I’m casting around for new ideas and ways of thinking about Aotearoa’s political economy to find a few solutions to our cascading and self-reinforcing housing, poverty and climate crises.Associate Professor runs an online masters degree in the economics of sustainability at Torrens University in Australia and is organising ...
    The KakaBy Steven Hail
    5 days ago
  • Reported back

    The Finance and Expenditure Committee has reported back on National's Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. The bill sets up water for privatisation, and was introduced under urgency, then rammed through select committee with no time even for local councils to make a proper submission. Naturally, national's select committee ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Vandrad the Viking, Christopher Coombes, and Literary Archaeology

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    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    5 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell On The Biden Withdrawal

    History is not on the side of the centre-left, when Democratic presidents fall behind in the polls and choose not to run for re-election. On both previous occasions in the past 75 years (Harry Truman in 1952, Lyndon Johnson in 1968) the Democrats proceeded to then lose the White House ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    5 days ago
  • Joe Biden's withdrawal puts the spotlight back on Kamala and the USA's complicated relatio...

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    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • Why we have to challenge our national fiscal assumptions

    A homeless person’s camp beside a blocked-off slipped damage walkway in Freeman’s Bay: we are chasing our tail on our worsening and inter-related housing, poverty and climate crises. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Existential Crisis and Damaged Brains

    What has happened to it all?Crazy, some'd sayWhere is the life that I recognise?(Gone away)But I won't cry for yesterdayThere's an ordinary worldSomehow I have to findAnd as I try to make my wayTo the ordinary worldYesterday morning began as many others - what to write about today? I began ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • A speed limit is not a target, and yet…

    This is a guest post from longtime supporter Mr Plod, whose previous contributions include a proposal that Hamilton become New Zealand’s capital city, and that we should switch which side of the road we drive on. A recent Newsroom article, “Back to school for the Govt’s new speed limit policy“, ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Monday, July 22

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Monday, July 22

    TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #29

    A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago
  • I'd like to share what I did this weekend

    This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • For the children – Why mere sentiment can be a misleading force in our lives, and lead to unex...

    National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Order image, ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • A friend in uncertain times

    Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • The Chaotic World of Male Diet Influencers

    Hi,We’ll get to the horrific world of male diet influencers (AKA Beefy Boys) shortly, but first you will be glad to know that since I sent out the Webworm explaining why the assassination attempt on Donald Trump was not a false flag operation, I’ve heard from a load of people ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago
  • It's Starting To Look A Lot Like… Y2K

    Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Bernard’s Saturday Soliloquy for the week to July 20

    Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • Pharmac Director, Climate Change Commissioner, Health NZ Directors – The latest to quit this m...

    Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    1 week ago
  • Flooding Housing Policy

    The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • A Voyage Among the Vandals: Accepted (Again!)

    As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    1 week ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Friday, July 19

    An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Friday, July 19

    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • Weekly Roundup 19-July-2024

    Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    1 week ago
  • Weekly Climate Wrap: A market-led plan for failure

    TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • Tobacco First

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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • Trump’s Adopted Son.

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    1 week ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Friday, July 19

    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSA announced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago

  • Joint statement from the Prime Ministers of Canada, Australia and New Zealand

    Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue.  We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    18 hours ago
  • AG reminds institutions of legal obligations

    Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • More young people learning about digital safety

    Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views.  “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • Speech to the Conference for General Practice 2024

    Tēnā tātou katoa,  Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago
  • Employers and payroll providers ready for tax changes

    New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts.  “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Experimental vineyard futureproofs wine industry

    An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Funding confirmed for regions affected by North Island Weather Events

    The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Indonesian Foreign Minister to visit

    Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced.   “Indonesia is important to New Zealand’s security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,” says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
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