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On having a more representative Parliament

Written By: - Date published: 6:33 pm, July 4th, 2013 - 323 comments
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meritYou know, I give the Labour Party a lot of stick but I’d like to congratulate them on having the courage to face up to the lack of women’s representation in our Parliament.

Don’t give me this ‘merit’ bullsh*t. You can start by putting to one side the idea that MPs are chosen purely on merit as it is – this is politics we’re talking about.

The fact is unless you believe there aren’t 60 women in the entire country who could be good MPs then you have to accept the problem isn’t women being crap, it’s structural.

Labour could sit around waiting for society to eliminate all structural barriers and usher in full gender equality, but frankly I’d rather they did something about it now.

That’s why it’s so deeply ironic to see the all this squealing from National – a party of the elite that’s dominated by privileged white males and whose policies reflect its narrow social base.

Labour represents a wider constituency, which is why one of the first things you notice when you go to a Labour Party conference is how much it looks like New Zealand. Labour’s caucus should too, yet at the moment only 14 of Labour’s 34 MPs are women and the proportion hasn’t increased in nearly twenty years.

The proposals being debated at the moment aren’t without controversy (this is the Labour Party after all) and some of them won’t make it through. One of the proposals – to have women-only selections if the local electorate wants it and the NZ Council agrees* – has got a fair bit of attention today, but it’s just one of many ideas that will be debated, discussed and voted on by members. That’s democracy – it’s messy, but it’s how it should be.

So, well done to Labour for having this difficult but important debate.

What I’d like to know now is what National’s doing to address its lack of women MPs. Any ideas?

* Ironically, this proposal mirrors one introduced recently by the austerity-loving, welfare-bashing UK Conservative Party. So much for ‘PC Gone Mad’.

323 comments on “On having a more representative Parliament”

  1. McFlock 1

    lol

    What one might call a “king-hit counter example”. :)

  2. Populuxe1 2

    Well a priori I’d like to start with enquiring about what specifically prevents women getting ahead in New Zealand politics that couldn’t be addressed by the existing list system? I don’t mean general patriarchal pressures, but parliament specifically.

    • McFlock 2.1

      Isn’t that a contradictory question?

      • Populuxe1 2.1.1

        No – I require some more detailed points than just “it’s partiarchy, supid. Check your privilege.” I would rather address specific dynamics rather than sweeping gestures.

        • McFlock 2.1.1.1

          So, basically, you want a full description of patriarchal pressures to be spoon-fed to you in comments on a blog?

          Start here. Then click the links in the “see also” section.

          • QoT 2.1.1.1.1

            No, I think Populuxe wants us to pretend that “general patriarchal pressures” aren’t in of themselves sufficient to lead to fewer women in politics, and unless we can come up with enough parliament-specific reasons, obviously we’re just lying and actually there are 61 women MPs in the House of Reps right now.

            • McFlock 2.1.1.1.1.1

              Ah.
              Probably something to do with the plumbing, then. And, oh, periods or something.

            • tracey 2.1.1.1.1.2

              +1

              Gender or race advancement always ends up as a negatively framed shitfight full of pejoratives. Their arguments tend to be similar to those that propose God must be real because *I* can’t prove he isn’t.

              I think white men in the world actually believe that it is perfectly logical that they rise to the top through merit… How emasculating if it weren’t “true”.

              • Rogue Trooper

                how Apophatic tracey; Via Negativa ? ? ?

                could read, or not, St Dionysus the Aeropagite, although some cataphatics may be required for assembly. ;)

            • Populuxe1 2.1.1.1.1.3

              I can think of a list of women I wish there were fewer of in the National caucaus. Before you can have women-only seats , you have to have the women candidates in the first place, which is why I suggested gender-targeted candidate colleges – or is this going to turn into one of those “Oh I’m so much more oppressed than you” pissing matches? Or are you really wanting to paint women as timid victims? Not sure.

              • QoT

                Before you can have women-only seats , you have to have the women candidates in the first place,

                Sure. Which is why no one is actually suggesting the Labour Party randomly draw electorates out of a hat and demand they appoint women candidates without considering the context.

                Under the rule change, from my understanding, LECs have to request the women-only shortlisting. And given they’re the LECs, I have this weird hunch that they might be kinda qualified to know if there are sufficient prospects in their area.

          • Populuxe1 2.1.1.1.2

            No, what I’m implying is that if there are specific issues in the parliamentary setting, they need to be individually addressed rather than this naive, ham-fisted approach which is contrary to the spirit of democracy.

            Wouldn’t it make more sense for Labour to set up something like gender targeted candidate colleges specifically to encourage women? And if Labour really want to pursue direct intervention, why not put more women on their list rather than placing strictures on who can run in what electorate? Change the culture rather than just stick a bandaid on it.

            And what best serves the needs of the electorate – I think the voters have the right not to be experimented with.

        • The Fan Club 2.1.1.2

          For the lols, poppy, you may as well look at the substantial literature on this, much of it summarized in the Selection Working Group’s report.

    • karol 2.2

      Why “parliament specifically”. The fact that the NZLP is considering changes to the candidate selection process, seems to indicate that the, or part of the problem lies there.

      I’m not a member so I don’t have a lot of knowledge of how it works in the LP in practice. However, comments on TS point to candidates being selected by shoulder-tapping by existing MPs and/or party officials. This would be open to selection from the people with power in the party and work in favour of the status quo and against shifting to a more equal selection.

      • lprent 2.2.1

        However, comments on TS point to candidates being selected by shoulder-tapping by existing MPs and/or party officials. This would be open to selection from the people with power in the party and work in favour of the status quo and against shifting to a more equal selection.

        Not really. The preselection mostly consists of who can be bothered even wanting the job. It really is a pain of a task and should only be done if you don’t have anything better to do with your time – ie almost anything else. It is a job with so many downsides. For a starter you have to actually be nice to some people.

        As readers of this site will be aware, that is not one of my notable nor favoured nor desired traits in myself or anyone else. I tend to find it gets in the way of getting things done in a reasonable time frame. Of course most of the work of government is not about that basic point of value. It is about being perceived to be doing things while actually slowing the rate of change down to a pace that people across society can stand. Niceness and politeness are crucial parts of the grit required for a glacial pace.

        Dropping the level of conversation down to that of your average talk back listener is also important. In fact these days it really has to go to the level of being a whaleoil reader – which of course means that it is even politically more stupid than the requirements for being a political journalist…

        So most of all of the possible candidates eliminate themselves prior to even thinking about selection. Some of them get pushed into it, but usually try to get in unwinnable positions – like standing for Labour in the King Country.

        So lets say that you have the required level of either dedication to glacial change (think Helen Clark) OR the required level of self-stroking ego that blinds your ability to accurately assess your own abilities (think Aaron Gilmore for an extreme example); THEN the party MP’s, officials, and various interest groups become important.

        Personally I made a decision a long time ago that I had better and more productive things to do with my time (programming), and that I’d find a suitable MP(s) to help out. Helen Clark was pretty useful in that regard.

        Edit: Hah! Then I look at the post and find Aaron there trying to make me puke..

        • tinfoilhat 2.2.1.1

          You should definitely have run for parliament.

        • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 2.2.1.2

          The preselection mostly consists of who can be bothered even wanting the job.

          Which is why parents of young children – particularly mothers – will never be adequately represented in Parliament.

          • Populuxe1 2.2.1.2.1

            Would you prefer the mothers of young children be marched into candidate college at gun point?

            • weka 2.2.1.2.1.1

              That’s stupid. Guess what Pop, you can arrange anything so that it is attractive to certain people. Our parliamentary system was designed by white wealthy men for white wealthy men, so, understandably enough the structure of that system was made to suit them, and thus wealthy white men are attracted to it. If it had been designed by say mothers, it would automatically include childcare and facilitiate things like breastfeeding. Support systems would be in place so that women with kids could function within the environment knowing that their kids were also attended to.

              What you are saying is that people should adapt to the wealthy white male structure or fuck off. I’m saying, let’s change the system so that we can have true representation.

              • Populuxe1

                You cannot serve two masters – have you been a young mother recently? It’s pretty much an all consuming business, as are affairs of state.

                • McFlock

                  Ah. There shouldn’t be more female MPs because they might get pregnant.

                  • Populuxe1

                    No that is not what I said at all, but if I break my leg, I don’t enter a marathon the next day. A woman can choose to do whatever she likes, she’s welcome to try to do both – but I think it’s a big ask unless like some US politicians you have a bunch of nannies.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Oh, so you think there are solutions to the issue of how damaging a political career currently is to family life, then? That’s encouraging.

                    • Populuxe1

                      So you agree a political career is damaging to family life then? Or do you have some special contempt for family life and those who choose to prioritise it?

                    • McFlock

                      lol

                      So now women are under-represented in parliament because they choose to prioritise motherhood over politics, not because of the attitudes of people who select candidates.

                • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                  *whoosh*

                • Rogue Trooper

                  “you’re gonna have to serve somebody”- Dylan ;)

                • weka

                  “Would you prefer the mothers of young children be marched into candidate college at gun point?”

                  “have you been a young mother recently? It’s pretty much an all consuming business, as are affairs of state.”

                  Make up your mind Pop, which is it – young mothers, or women who have young children?

                  I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but shock, horror, women have always had kids and worked. It’s just that now more of them get paid.

                  There is no reason why some women with young children cannot also be in politics. That largely depends on the kind of person she is, how much support she has, and whether the party she belongs to is willing to change the structures to allow women with kids to do well.

                  We would be so much better off with more women with young children as MPs. They’re likely to look past the next three years for a start, when considering policy.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Oooh, a typo – so glad I could have given you your jollies. Pretty sure women with older children can remember back that far. And still overly optimistic about the ability of a mother of young children to multitask two of the most important and stressful jobs in the country. Unless she’s Wonderwoman and has a staff of nannies and feels ok having her children raised by strangers most of the time, I do not see it happening. It is a matter of focus.

                    “I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but shock, horror, women have always had kids and worked. It’s just that now more of them get paid.”

                    You are priceless. You might want to do some reading on early childhood development and what members of parliament actually do in their very, very long days.

        • tracey 2.2.1.3

          “Dropping the level of conversation down to that of your average talk back listener is also important. In fact these days it really has to go to the level of being a whaleoil reader – which of course means that it is even politically more stupid than the requirements for being a political journalist…”

          Mostly it seems to be about directing conversation to reinforcing strongheld (and largely unsupported by fact/evidence) views of a certain group of society. God forbid the world should be any way other than how they view it from their respective living rooms or office floors. People are naturally resistant to change and “dated” (even if failed) lparty policy is ideal for assuaging those fears… If things cant go back to the “good old days” then it’s better they stay as they are…

          The “good old days” are, of course, a myth.

  3. BM 3

    Explaining is losing.

  4. Colonial Viper 4

    Electoral suicide. Expect the Roy Morgans in August to reflect this.

    • BM 4.1

      Wait till a few within Labour get in the media and try to justify this.

      Blah, blah, it’s all the fault of Men

      Blah, blah it’s all the fault of white Men

      Blah,blah, it’s all the fault of white heterosexual men.

      John Key, must be the Labour parties biggest fan, every time the bastard looks in trouble
      Labour comes out with this sort of stuff.

      It’s quite hard to believe.

      • McGrath 4.1.1

        I have to agree. What was Labour smoking when they thought up this genius plan!

    • tc 4.2

      FFS Labour try and get some fundamentals right like having members that can get some coverage in their portfolios. Finance, Industrial relations, Transport, akl, health, education etc etc…..what a bunch of useless has beens ‘led’ by an amateur.

      • Populuxe1 4.2.1

        IK, R? They can’t even sort their portfolios out in the first place – all that needs to be sorted out before they can even contemplate overhauls like this.

    • Tangled up in blue 4.3

      Yep.

      Bad political move by Labour.

    • Blue 4.4

      If there is one thing Labour is good at, it’s shooting themselves in both feet.

  5. feijoa 5

    Well, one might get treated like Julia Gillard for starters
    It’s an absolute disgrace the way she has been treated.
    Helen had similar treatment though not as much in the dregs of the gutter as the Ozzies

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      Did you see Gillard’s knitting photo? I’m surprised that did not save her Prime Ministership. Perhaps strumming a guitar would have been more appealing.

    • tracey 5.2

      Pretty close, her sexuality was constantly questioned as a negative… if not to her face behind snickering hands and in blogs.

  6. Wolf 6

    Labour also needs to introduce a policy so that the gays are more equally represented in the parliament. I think there needs to be a policy so that there is a minimum of 10% gay candidates for full true true representation. They should be given a higher position in the list to ensure that they get into parliament. This needs to include gay women to, so that gay women are represented. The gays have such a unique perspective on life. Viva la Rainbow!

    • felix 6.1

      Are gays actually under-represented in the labour caucus though?

    • Populuxe1 6.2

      Don’t forget transgender, queer, intersex, bisexuals, gingers, monobrows, people who don’t like television sport, little people, wiccans, vegans, and anyone with an unusually spelled name.

  7. Bill 7

    2c worth.

    I’m thinking patriarchy is a bit more than structural barriers – it’s an entire culture. And that suggests women encouraged into and promoted through the structures of patriarchy would (needs must) ‘adopt’ certain patriarchal values and even weaken the argument (though not the need) for a genuine cultural revolution and make the attainment of that revolution much more difficult through their presence having a ‘masking’ effect on the reality of how we are as a society.

    • weka 7.1

      Or, you get enough women in parliament, and things start to change eg you get a properly funded Ministry of Women’s Affairs that in turn steers funding towards the community, and grassroots women’s community groups have an easier time organising (cuts to the Ministry’s funding by the incoming National govt in 1990 had a big impact on the ability of women’s groups to survive. The benefit cuts didn’t help either. I’d like to see NACT try that with a caucus of 50% women, and a cabinet close to that).

      The more women you have in parliament, the less pressure there is on women MPs to play the macho game, and the more the culture of parliament can be changed. It’s only because women are so outnumbered that the pressure to be blokes remains so strong.

      Personally, I think the govt should legislate that all parties ensure gender equity amongst their MPs. Some people are afraid that this means we’ll end up with a parliament full of Jenny Shipleys and Ruth Richardsons, but I think it will be more a spread across the spectrum and parliament would hang onto good women MPs like Marilyn Waring, Ann Hercus and Jeanette Fitzimmons.

      • Bill 7.1.1

        If patriarchy only existed within the confines of parliament, then I’d whole-heartedly agree with your comment. But it doesn’t. It exists through-out society. It’s everywhere, including within grassroots/community groups – and is usually much more subtle and pernicious than mere expressions of ‘blokiness’.

        I don’t know any solution that doesn’t include an appeal to a proper understanding of the phrase ‘the personal is political’. And that is not, obviously, something that can be prescribed from on high or something that can be ‘legislated’ for.

        • weka 7.1.1.1

          Not sure what you mean in the first paragraph. How does the existence of the patriarchy throughout society mean that one shouldn’t address bits of it at a time eg in parliament?

          And with all due respect, how many feminist collectives have you worked in? While it’s true that many women internalise patriarchy, that doesn’t stop women from working together collectively to effect change.

          I guess what I am saying is that ‘genuine’ cultural revolution is more likely to take place where people have access to resources and things are easier. Whereas you seem to be saying that getting gender equity in parliament would some how mask the need for revolution? Well it’s already masked, so why not tip the odds a bit more in its favour?

          “And that is not, obviously, something that can be prescribed from on high or something that can be ‘legislated’ for.”

          Why not? We legislate against things like sexist discrimination for the betterment of women and the whole society.

      • tracey 7.1.2

        “things start to change”

        God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, anything but change. That scares folks like BM and Winston the most… unless it’s change that puts themin a better (perceived) position of course.

  8. wtl 8

    There is actually a sure-fire way for Labour to fix this policy and turn the debate around: simply alter so that it is clearly about ensuring ~50% female-male representation regardless of which gender is under-represented i.e. allow “all male” electorates if it does happen that males become under-represented. In practice, this change would have no real effect. However, it makes it clear that this policy is about equality. And the headlines can no longer be that it is ‘women only’ or ‘man ban’ or whatever.

    • The Fan Club 8.1

      Ughhhh Jesus fuck the thing is I don’t give a damn if there’s 60% female representation. Floors not ceilings guys.

      Also, in point of fact, that’s not possible, cause the proposals out today are the proposals going to annual conference. (that being the way internal party democracy works.)

      It is funny to see members who continually complain about the lack of democracy etc whinge about this (am think of cv here), a fine example of internal democracy…

      • QoT 8.1.1

        I do have to agree. Especially with the people saying “OMG this is such a terrible political move!!!”

        It’s not a political move. It’s [part of] the [possible] will of the membership. And it warms my dead feminist bitch heart to see a party’s membership stand for principle over [what many people assume is] electability.

        • tracey 8.1.1.1

          ++11

          National gave the media a great way to frame the proposal, man-ban, and they took it and run. As much as it’s about the National party reaction, it is also about media, including women, who chose to take that framing and run with it. Accordingly it is now a negative thing, and it doesn’t even yet exist as a policy.

          Eddie, perhaps you could change the merit picture to a montage… Banks should be there, Worth, Field and so on…

        • Bob 8.1.1.2

          QoT, do you agree with Sue Moroney’s statement “In the Labour Party we’re really clear that we want to be more representative of the New Zealand society at large”?
          If so, do you think we should kick some Maori out of parliament? 23/122 MPs are of Maori descent, representing 18.9% of Parliament, but only 14.6% of NZers (according to the 2006 census) are of Maori descent. Maybe we could replace some of these Maori with Asians who, like women, are also underrepresented in parliament?

          • QoT 8.1.1.2.1

            Shockingly, I have no problem with less-privileged groups getting (hardly significant) over-representation. Maybe we can replace some of the horde of older, upper-middle-class white men first (what proportion should they get, pray tell?)

        • Populuxe1 8.1.1.3

          The only potential female empowerment I can see this possibly delivering is Judith Collins’ premiership in 2014.

  9. tsmithfield 9

    Personally, I think it is quite condescending towards women to suggest that they might need some sort of preferential treatment to get selected rather than on the basis of their own merits. Labour would be better to take steps to actively encourage women to apply to be candidates. So long as the selection process is fair, then the gender balance problem will be addressed if there are more women applying.

    • tracey 9.1

      I think they are taking more steps to actively encourage women to apply… hence the proposal… Gives the message from the top down that you are welcomed and wanted.

      • Populuxe1 9.1.1

        Then they should just say that, rather than implying they can’t do it without goalposts being shifted.

    • aspasia 9.2

      But perhaps not as condescending as your assumption that Labour and women are somehow two different entities and that Labour (apparently not female) should be encouraging women to be candidates. It does not seem to have dawned on almost anybody in this debate that the proposals come from Labour women who have already spent DECADES doing all your kindly meant suggestions. But having raised women’s representation in the Labour caucus from 4 to 14 by years and years of arduous effort ( none of this happened by accident or evolved inevitably) the process is now stuck and probably going backwards. In other fields of endeavour the phrase “low hanging fruit” is often trotted out at this point. The next step towards more equal representation will take greater effort. Once women become about 30% in any context they are perceived by men ( and some women) to be a majority. The result of all our strenuous hard work, though, is perceived by commentators such as Tim Watkins on Pundit as just the natural state of affairs in the Labour Party. It is not! One minute’s cessation of effort and the rock begins to roll back down the hill.

      Two points for the “Labour shooting itself in the foot again” brigade to consider. 1. In 1981 62% of women voted National. 2. National only has the female representation in Parliament that it does because Labour has created a benchmark that has National has needed to make some efforts to match.

      By all means win back the male blue collar vote. Much of what is needed to do that is good for women too. But if misogyny is the only strategy to reclaim these voters Labour needs to be very aware that women’s support is neither natural or inevitable.

  10. jaymam 10

    Labour already chooses list MPs by balancing gender and ethnicity during the election process. I think that is a bad idea. This new idea is even more stupid.

    • Anne 10.1

      At the Labour regional list conferences I have attended delegates have been particularly sensitive about ensuring a reasonable balance of gender and ethnicity. If there is a fault with the current system I suspect it lies further up the hierarchal ladder and not at membership level.

      I’m inclined to agree with CV. Labour does love to open itself up to misrepresentation… and laying the foundation for false perceptions to be created amongst the public at large. Think light bulbs and shower roses. Just because the party currently has a lower ratio of women representatives probably has more to do with electoral misfortune (think lightbulbs and shower roses) than a return to patriarchal style selection processes.

      • Colonial Viper 10.1.1

        Where is Labour’s sense of spin and timing in putting out a proposal like this? Ok, say I don’t like the details of the proposal for whatever reason – but at least the party could be presenting it to the public and media sphere in a politically sharp way. In order to raise important gender equality issues that we face in our society and how Labour is looking to address them.

        Isn’t the ability to do this like bread and spuds for any political party? Why isn’t it happening? Why is it being left to fall flat on its face? The proposal is a liability IMO but does that mean that the execution and presentation needs to be a liability too?

        I mean, wtf.

        • McFlock 10.1.1.1

          Spinning and delaying (sorry, “timing”) remits and proposals from the membership?

          Yeah, that would be a better look /sarc

          • Colonial Viper 10.1.1.1.1

            Yeah, like its just sooooo good right now McFlock /sarc

            • McFlock 10.1.1.1.1.1

              I agree. I can see you’d support it 100% if the Labour head office had delayed and “spun” remits for conference. My mistake.

              • Colonial Viper

                If a political party can’t even do basic PR preparation and framing, it’s toast. The fact that you think that’s OK, is not a surprise to me.

                • McFlock

                  Go on, show us how the super-Viper would have spun (sorry, “framed”) these remits in such a way that the tories would not be saying exactly the same shit?

                  And if they’d delayed it based on the coverage of the KDC hearing, I reckon there are good odds that you’d have been bitching about anti-democratic suppression of remits in labour (or somesuch bullshit).

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Go on, show us how the super-Viper would have spun (sorry, “framed”) these remits in such a way that the tories would not be saying exactly the same shit?

                    Nah. Don’t waste my time.

                  • weka

                    Someone suggested this morning that Labour could have used social media, and had several good posts up on the issue before WO got hold of it.

                    • lprent

                      They aren’t very good at that…

                    • McFlock

                      Maybe.

                      But I reckon it would still have the same result: flash in the pan now with screams of “sexual discrimination”, maybe another at conference, forgotten by next year. And Labour lives with it, becomes more inclusive because of it, and takes a move back towards the left.

                    • weka

                      Except, we could have been having a discussion about what the proposed rule change is, and how it could work, instead of this on the back foot defense thing because WOKB are in rant mode.

                      It’s kind of pathetic still having some hope that Labour might get its shit together though.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Why would they need to do any media on the issue? It’s just one of twenty or so proposals to go to conference and it is an internal issue, not one that needs a press release.

                      I’ll be voting for it, btw.

                    • The Fan Club

                      It’d be kinda improper for Head Office to use media to try and sell members on proposed rule changes. We’re not that kind of party.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Nope, but you could issue a press-release saying something like “issues to be considered at next months meeting will include…” staid, boring, etc. Then the story is that you’re thinking about something, and newsflash! It’s a non-story.

                    • The Fan Club

                      Except, ah, they did that. About lunch time yesterday, at the point they intended to release those proposals, absent the leak from WO.

                      The proposals have been around for months. The Party can’t always be paranoid about internal democracy.

                    • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                      Paranoid? How about proud of it for fuck’s sake?

                      The proposals have been around for months, but the best time to talk about them was just after Cameron Slater introduced them to the public. Naturally.

        • AmaKiwi 10.1.1.2

          Yes, CV. this is a PR disaster.

          Mentoring. MPs and party leaders mentor people you want to see move up the ladder into Parliament.

          Watch David Cunliffe. He is often encouraging (mentoring) young, minorities, and women.

          If there is a quota system, it is in his head, not in the party rules.

          Mentoring is how Helen Clark brought so many women into Parliament.

          • Alanz 10.1.1.2.1

            “Mentoring is how Helen Clark brought so many women into Parliament.”

            I can’t see Shearer capable of doing any mentoring, whether that is mentoring upcoming young potential leaders, ethnic candidates or women.

            But I can see him needing a lot of mentoring for quite a while yet.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1.1.2.1.1

              Bugger. I’ve been looking for someone to teach me the finer points of mumbling insincerely while looking tough and peeling a mango.

            • Rogue Trooper 10.1.1.2.1.2

              lolz Alanz

  11. Im speechless, Im without speech.

    Go right ahead Labour and push this thru, your giving National a third term.

    • felix 11.1

      Yeah, because no-one in their right mind would vote for a woman.

      • Brett Dale 11.1.1

        Felix:

        yeah because this is what this is about, huh.

        So felix, if you wanted to run for the labour party in your district, but cant because
        of your gender, your fine with this??

        Im honestly truly stun by the bs here.

        I thought you had integrity.

        • felix 11.1.1.1

          I don’t know what you mean. It’s not as if I could just “run for the labour party” now.

          I think you might be a bit confused about what the Labour party is, Brett. It’s not like a public swimming pool where anyone who feels like it can jump in and have a go on the slide.

          [lprent: You're losing it - how could you forget to reference peeing in the pool? :twisted: ]

          • Brett Dale 11.1.1.1.1

            Felix:

            Im guessing, someone can join the labour party, and then put there name forward to be a candidate for them, in what electoral they live in?

            Well isnt labour saying now, we will just pick female candidates for certain areas.

            How can anymore not be disgusted with this.

    • weka 11.2

      “Im speechless, Im without speech.”

      We wish.

  12. Curtis 12

    What a great distraction from the GCSB Bill the mainstream media have pulled here. OH NO! Labour are going to discuss equality at it’s annual conference lets take to the streets! Who gives a toss what dodgy crap the Government is getting up too!

  13. redbaron77 13

    The public is likely go along the idea of a more representative parliament and Labour is right to take steps toward addressing this issue. However its going about it the wrong way with a hamfisted change to its rules that essentially posits Labour naively favoring gender over talent . Aside from adding to the perception that Labour is “too PC” and out of touch, the proposal is likely to grate against a deep-seated value of equality that is an integral part of New Zealand culture. However if Labour launched programme that actively looked to seek out and developed great talent from across society that would add value to New Zealand life then it is more likely to fly with the voting public who will recognise the benefits of a more representative pool of people in its line up including gender.

    • swordfish 13.1

      Absolutely agree with redbaron77 and CV. The political naivety is just breathtaking. Verbalised a loud “Oh for fuck-sake !!!” when I heard it on my car radio (courtesy of Radio NZ National News) while driving down Boulcott St towards Willis St (as it happens, but that’s not important right now).

      It may only be one of many proposals and it may involve various caveats but it now seems to be dominating the news in a particularly crude, unnuanced (and entirely forseeable) way. Labour is now the Party with the “Man-Ban”. Way to reconnect with the average voter.

  14. millsy 14

    I think Labour needs more inspiring candidates. Regardless of gender. It seem they are all PolSci and MBA graduates these days.

    • Tamati 14.1

      MBA?

      Can’t think of any. All B.A’s and Law Degrees.

      Not that I think they should be chasing the MBA type!

      Perhaps some more people who haven’t spend half their working life in a University, some real life experience would be good. Some actual working class people wouldn’t go a miss. Just because they haven’t gone to Uni, doesn’t make them stupid.

      • tracey 14.1.1

        I remember when a real working class woman went to parliament (Sue Bradford) she was another who got pilloried and parodied the entire time…

      • Populuxe1 14.1.2

        Whenever I hear someone suggest academics don’t live in the real world, I have this vision of a humanoid creature in tweed that photosynthesises and reproduces by binary fission.

    • lprent 14.2

      Huh?

      I think that Cunliffe has a public admin degree. Parker was a lawyer. That is about as close as any of the current MP’s got to to a MBA (like my antique Otago one). Mind you, National are no better. Lots of talk about business – but mostly I just see a lot of business amateurs who are more used to brown-nosing their mates than actually making a business (Steven Joyce comes to mind).

      Since Helen Clark left, I think that Phil Goff is the only polsci degree in Labour. I could be wrong on that. But basically polsci these days is like a compsci degree – if you do it, then you tend to leave the industry early.

      I think that you’re just making it up myself.

      • Chris 14.2.1

        Shane Jones has a Masters in Public Admin… think he did Pol Sci first. Joyce has a Degree in Zoology… perfect leader for the nats

        • lprent 14.2.1.1

          Shane Jones… Ummmph. Well I’m sure that doesn’t diminish the value of those degrees. I just think he has crap political instincts at both a strategic and a tactical level. No amount of training can correct entirely for that.

          Interest courses and degrees are actually fun to do. And surprisingly effective at what you wind up using out of them. Certainly I get quite a lot of interviews based on me taking history courses. But not as many as I get from the comment about being addicted to multiplayer online startrek on the DEC 1170 at Waikato in 1980.

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 14.2.2

        Let’s have a quota to address the lack of polsci graduates.

        • vto 14.2.2.1

          A quota for beneficiaries too.

          A quota for union members.

          A quota for rich pricks.

          A quota for Pacific Islanders.

          A quota for immigrants.

          A quota for Asians.

          A quota for males.

          A quota for the disabled.

          A quota for christians.

          A quota for fish.

          A quota for the young and a quota for the old.

          A quota for the quota-holders.

          I mean really, where do you stop? Where do you stop?

          • Colonial Viper 14.2.2.1.1

            I think we should have a quota for capable leaders.

          • marty mars 14.2.2.1.2

            “Where do you stop?”

            When we get to equality and the disadvantaged in our society are not structurally and daily discriminated against by those who have advantage for no other reason than they ‘belong’ to the right group.

            • Colonial Viper 14.2.2.1.2.1

              The poor are the most structurally descriminated against on a dauly basis.

              Why is there not a quota for them, using your own criteria?

              • McFlock

                maybe you should have suggested a remit at your local branch meeting.

              • rosy

                Gotta +1 that for a Labour Party that is meant to represent the needs of the poor. But equitable representation for poor women. I wonder how that would go down?

    • tracey 14.3

      Did you just make that up????

  15. Te Reo Putake 15

    Pop quiz! Guess which wannabe MP this comment is from:

    “I can’t understand why the Labour Party would be emphasising something like this when they’re trying to get the focus on jobs and power prices and the need to get wages up, so strategically it doesn’t make sense to be talking about this right now.”

    She did not feel a need to be pushed forward as a candidate based on her gender.

    “Certainly I wouldn’t stand in a seat where I felt like the implication was I couldn’t win it on my own accord without some ‘special help’,” she said.

    “That’s the thing about quotas – for me they are short-term measures, they’re a kick-start when needed.”

    While there could be a need for quotas in countries such as Afghanistan – where women have been excluded from the political process – that was not the case in New Zealand.

    “We absolutely need more women represented in Parliament – but we need a diverse section of women represented in Parliament – and I think that’s more effective.

    “I feel there needs to be a diverse range of women represented in political processes and in the Labour Party, but I think this is a blunt instrument.”

    • felix 15.1

      “We absolutely need more women represented in Parliament – but we need a diverse section of women represented in Parliament – and I think that’s more effective.”

      Any idea what she means by this? I’ve read and re-read it a few times and I have no idea.

      • vto 15.1.1

        I think it’s a bit like how they talk when they give dairy farmers big dollops of money

    • tinfoilhat 15.2

      Trevor Mallard ?

      • Te Reo Putake 15.2.1

        Nope, but right end of the island. For what its worth, Damien O’Connor was even worse:

        West Coast-Tasman MP Damien O’Connor said he was confident his electorate would “not ask for something so stupid” as a women-only candidate selection.

        • QoT 15.2.1.1

          Stupid enough to (s)elect Damien O’Connor …

        • Chris 15.2.1.2

          Having been part of a branch committee and LEC, I suggest Damien doesn’t know his electorate as well as he thinks.

    • karol 15.3

      I cheated and googled it. That’s the way with Blairite Third Wayers – want to have it both ways and end up a contradiction in terms.

    • tracey 15.4

      “While there could be a need for quotas in countries such as Afghanistan – where women have been excluded from the political process – that was not the case in New Zealand.”

      This is like saying we don’t have poverty in NZ because here people are way better of thanin the Sudan.

      Until people understand that the real key to equality of selection is opportunity, they really ought to keep their comments to themselves… And opportunity doesn’t mean “they can apply if they want to”.

  16. Matthew Hooton 16

    The fundamental flaw in this debate is the idea that gender is the main factor in whether or not one is represented in parliament. Speaking personally, the person who has best represented my economic views in parliament in Ruth Richardson; my law and order views Judith Collins; my Treaty of Waitangi views Chris Finlayson; my child discipline views Sue Bradford; my foreign policy views Don’t McKinnon. People’s ideas and diligence are much more important in terms of being effective as representatives than gender.

    • How do you feel about our representatives not being representative of us?

      • felix 16.1.1

        He’s cool with it, as long as they’re representative of him.

        • Tamati 16.1.1.1

          Perhaps he should be asking, should Parliament represent our views, or represent us demographically?

      • Matthew Hooton 16.1.2

        Micky:
        You seem to imply that women can only be represented by women and men by men.
        That is a bit of an insult by you to Helen Clark isn’t it?
        Presumably, although you are male, you felt she represented you well?
        But she didn’t really represent conservative, anti-abortion Catholic females did she?
        And are you saying David Cunliffe can’t represent women?
        Or that Judith Collins does?
        All crazy.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 16.1.2.1

          Where does Mickey “imply” that?

          Oh, in your “mind”. Are you telling the truth about what you think today?

          • Matthew Hooton 16.1.2.1.1

            Because in a discussion about a gender quota, he says our parliament, not having a 50:50 gender split, is not representative of “us”.

            • tracey 16.1.2.1.1.1

              Which is an interesting from someone whose daily bread is very much based on perception isn’t it Matthew?

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 16.1.2.1.1.2

              Yes, which you twisted into a weasel question about whether an individual can be represented by another one with no regard to the overall makeup of the group as a whole. Nice shot, well played, etc.

              Sixteen out of fifty nine. Tell me, do you think the low-life gender bullying endemic in right wing circles is to blame for drop-kicks like Gilmore and Bennett and Key being selected in favour of talented female candidates, or is it something else?

    • tracey 16.2

      Which is why we need as many people believing (and actively pursuing) representation is open to them. Collins and Richardson, for example, had made it a long way up the glass ceiling before entering politics. They were used to succeeding in a very patriarchal environment already…

      It is human nature to appoint, favour those who reflect ourselves or seem “like us”. But when you know better it is discrimination born of wilful ignorance.

      • Rhinocrates 16.2.1

        It was said of American East Coast country clubs that they always had one Jew on the board whose job it was to ensure that no other Jew was allowed to join. More or less the same principle applies to Hoots’ specious blithering about how “representative” NACT is.

  17. Matthew Hooton 17

    The fundamental flaw in this debate is the idea that gender is the main factor in whether or not one is represented in parliament. Speaking personally, the person who has best represented my economic views in parliament in Ruth Richardson; my law and order views Judith Collins; my Treaty of Waitangi views Chris Finlayson; my child discipline views Sue Bradford; my foreign policy views Don’t McKinnon. People’s ideas and diligence are much more important in terms of being effective as representatives than gender.

    • Socialist Paddy 17.1

      The fundamental problem with your comment Matthew is my sense of deja vu …

    • felix 17.2

      “The fundamental flaw in this debate is the idea that gender is the main factor in whether or not one is represented in parliament.”

      What a lovely strawman – ooh look I can see his little ears!

      • Matthew Hooton 17.2.1

        Um, do you have a point to make?

        • weka 17.2.1.1

          His point was that your comment had no bearing on what is actually being debated and was posted as a way of diverting attention from the real issue.

          ie no-one has said that “gender is the main factor in whether or not one is represented in parliament.”. That’s just stupid.

        • vto 17.2.1.2

          Mr Hooton I think you should just defect and get over it

        • felix 17.2.1.3

          Yep, and it was very straightforward.

          No-one has claimed “gender is the main factor in whether or not one is represented in parliament”.

          I’m surprised you didn’t manage to follow that, there weren’t many big words for you to read. Did you get confused by all the not-believing-your-obvious-bullshit in between them?

          edit: what weka said

        • mickysavage 17.2.1.4

          I am sure the Greens will be happy to have you as a member but they may be cautious on your effect on Green policy …

    • Sable 17.3

      You really are the doctor Jekyll and Mr Hide of voters aren’t you.

      • felix 17.3.1

        Hardly. He listed National, National, National, a private member’s bill, and National.

        More like Doctor National and Mr National.

        • Matthew Hooton 17.3.1.1

          That’s right. They have represented me well, with gender, sexuality and other identity aspects not being relevant. On the grounds someone needs to be the same gender as you to represent you, Labour males must have felt terribly unrepresented at the highest levels from late 1993 to late 2008.

          • fender 17.3.1.1.1

            Don Brash is the best fit for you.

            • felix 17.3.1.1.1.1

              Matthew is so far out on the wing, and so unaware of his position there, that he doesn’t even realise that could be taken as a slight.

          • felix 17.3.1.1.2

            Are you considering voting Labour next year Matthew?

          • Rhinocrates 17.3.1.1.3

            other identity aspects not being relevant.

            “Relevant”

            Translation “I’m alright Jack/Jill. I’m so comfortable with my privileges, I can’t even see them.”

    • Rhinocrates 17.4

      I wonder who Hoots thinks represents his views on race, considering his egregious attempts to promulgate the worst stereotypes of the violent “dumb bros” in his recent NBR column?

  18. felix 18

    I’d have no issue with this if women were grossly underrepresented in the Labour caucus. You know, like they are in National.

    But are they though? It’s pretty close. Is the proportion falling over time or rising?

    I guess I’m not asking whether it’s worthy, which in principle it is, but whether it’s needed.

  19. Colonial Viper 19

    NZers voted in John Key in 2008 with just 16% women at the top of the National list. Think about what the electorate views as important right now, and focus there.

    • karol 19.1

      Is it just about getting voted into government then, and not about what the party represents?

      • Colonial Viper 19.1.1

        Wrong question. Instead, answer the question, what is the electorate waiting for from Labour.

        • McFlock 19.1.1.1

          Really? Because it sounded a lot like the old “not the right time for this, focus on the real issues, we’ll get around to your silly little identity-politics issue some time”.

          • weka 19.1.1.1.1

            +1. It’s interesting seeing that creeping into the debate in the past few hours.

            • Colonial Viper 19.1.1.1.1.1

              Suit yourself weka. Think about a broad church Labour Party which is representative of the interests of the entirety of society, but somehow can’t climb above 32% in the polls.

              And try and figure out where the disconnect is. If you accept that there even is one, because it sounds like most of you think that this is putting Labour right on track.

              • weka

                well just to clarify CV, I don’t think this will do anything fundamental to change Labour in the short or medium term. It’s not going to make up for the problems of Shearer or the ABCs or that Labour is disconnected from their traditional constituency or that Labour are still co-opted by the neoliberals.

                As far as I can tell the problems with Labour are to do with its internal power structures and the fact that the membership can’t effect change. And to be honest, I’ve been watching this debate about what is wrong with Labour for the last 18 months and I don’t see any real substantial change, even with the conference remits last year. Or to put it another way, putting the gender equity issue aside now won’t help your cause.

                Gender equity should happen in the same way as say legalising gay marriage. There is never a ‘good’ time, so may as well be now. The rule changes should just be part of a number of ongoing measures that reflect changes in society irrespective of the bullshit that is in parts of the caucus.

                In terms of the long plan, the point McFlock makes is not new. Women are well used to the argument to sit and wait. Once the glorious revolution happens then we can sort out the problems of gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability etc etc. Trouble is that women got sick of waiting (along with everyone else), and we know from bitter experience, if we don’t keep pushing these issues through, they will never get addressed.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Trouble is that women got sick of waiting (along with everyone else), and we know from bitter experience, if we don’t keep pushing these issues through, they will never get addressed.

                  You know a lot of women who want to get on to the Labour list? Great, should be about 13 places for women in caucus after the 2014 elections.

                  Let me know when you think Labour is going to be able to push through legislation mandating a 50% female quota in Parliament and for the public service as a whole.

                  • weka

                    “You know a lot of women who want to get on to the Labour list? Great, should be about 13 places for women in caucus after the 2014 elections.”

                    That’s your job mate, not mine. And if Labour doesn’t have enough women wanting in, what does that say about Labour? Maybe you should talk to the GP about how they manage to get people interested.

                    “Let me know when you think Labour is going to be able to push through legislation mandating a 50% female quota in Parliament and for the public service as a whole.”

                    Strawman.

            • The Fan Club 19.1.1.1.1.2

              Oh yeah. Internal Democracy, but only when it’s manly democracy, not femmy shit. FFS.

          • Colonial Viper 19.1.1.1.2

            Fuck your pretty progressive theoretical spin and strawmen quotes. This thing is an electoral anchor, accept it and move on.

            • BM 19.1.1.1.2.1

              I disagree, I think it needs to be openly discussed, no holds bared barred for at least the next six months.

              I nominate weka to be the main spokesperson.

              [lprent: Public nakedness is not appropriate for this forum. Please use a dictionary. :twisted: ]

              • Colonial Viper

                BM, and here I was thinking you were a crappy sexist Righty who didn’t have a sense of humour! ;)

            • McFlock 19.1.1.1.2.2

              If the labour party was run along your lines, it’s be as “left” as and popular as Chris Trotter.

              • Colonial Viper

                Seems to me its getting there just fine mate.

                • McFlock

                  Nah, it’d have work really hard to be the “Waitakere-man” fuckup you want it to be.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Go away and say something nice about Shearer. Or at least how he’s not that important in the lead up to 2014, and its really all about policy getting traction.

                    • McFlock

                      Such a shame. After all your dictats about how Labour should be a party of principle and promote genuine socialist principles such as equity and true representation of the membership (and how it would be if only Cunliffe were leader), suddenly you get all bitchy when somebody tries to bring Labour closer to that ideal.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      More straw men quotes? Good on ya McFlock. On the other hand do you want me to come up with a few instances where you say whoever leads the party into 2014 is quite unimportant, and its really just about good policy?

                    • McFlock

                      Meh. Do whatever you hsve to do in order to pretend that whenever you look in the mirror a fucking hypocrite doesn’t stare back.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Sticks and stones McFlock.

          • Populuxe1 19.1.1.1.3

            Not when identity politics pissing matches get in the way of the rights of the electorate.

        • weka 19.1.1.2

          “what is the electorate waiting for from Labour.”

          To get its shit together. This is one way it can do that, but obviously it’s not the only, nor even most important way. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen though. Or do you have a time when you think it would be better to do this?

          • Colonial Viper 19.1.1.2.1

            Or do you have a time when you think it would be better to do this?

            yeah, not today.

            • weka 19.1.1.2.1.1

              = never.

              • weka

                btw, you think this is bad, wait until you see what happens when abortion becomes a political issue in NZ again. Are you going to say then too that it’s not the right time (because it almost certainly will be a bad time)?

                • Colonial Viper

                  Hey weka, great idea, lets start promoting abortion law reform as a top election issue for 2014.

                  • The Fan Club

                    Why the fuck not? I mean, Christ you fucker, you crucified the party for your own ego trip, but now we do something that’ll make a real change it’s “toe the focu group line”?

                  • weka

                    So you are ok with women’s poor access to reproductive health services and think it’s ok for this issue to be put off indefinitely? And what happens if the ultra conservatives make it an issue? Will you still think that the left shouldn’t move on this? We should let abortion rights degrade further?

                    This is what I meant in the Assange debate when I said that women are well used to men on the left marginalising issues that are important to women but not to men. It’s old, old news CV, and it doesn’t wash anymore.

                    Besides, your arguments are getting weak now.

                    Let me put it another way. Labour are fucked. I think the gender equity issue should happen because it’s the right thing to do, and I don’t believe that it would make that much difference to the election next year. But if it does then (a) Labour are way more fucked than I thought, and (b) good, it’s about time they fell over so something else can take their place (whether that’s just the ABCs being moved on, or whether Labour is eventually replaced by the Greens and Mana). You can’t blame the failings of the Labour party on gender equity policies, that’s extremely ridiculous.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You can’t blame the failings of the Labour party on gender equity policies, that’s extremely ridiculous.

                      Ahhh. You conclude that because gender equity policies are a significant priority for you. But it is actually not what I blame the Labour Party’s failings on.

                      Which is a complete disconnect to what the NZ electorate, men and women, are looking for from Labour right now.

                      BTW this proposal is electoral suicide for Labour in 2014. I said it earlier and just want to make sure people know that I stand by it.

                    • weka

                      “Which is a complete disconnect to what the NZ electorate, men and women, are looking for from Labour right now.”

                      [citation needed]

                      “BTW this proposal is electoral suicide for Labour in 2014.”

                      How? Specifically, how does the timing and implementation fit with the election?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      [citation needed]

                      Are you serious? A frakking citation is going to make the claim credible or not? Who from? Naomi Wolf?

                      How? Specifically, how does the timing and implementation fit with the election?

                      There must be only one focus for 2014. Establishing that Labour is fit to govern the nation on behalf of all its people.

                      But whatever, who gives a shit. I’m off this train for the evening.

                • Colonial Viper

                  I mean, can you tell me if there is a better time than 2014 for Labour to start pushing progress on this issue again?

                  • weka

                    No I can’t, because I’m not closely enough involved in what is going on. You’d have to ask the women that are directly fighting to maintain abortion rights about timing. As I said in the other comment, there is also the issue of whether it’s the fundamentalists that will push the issue into the forefront. The left really doesn’t want to be on the backfoot with this if that happens.

    • weka 19.2

      “NZers voted in John Key in 2008 with just 16% women at the top of the National list. Think about what the electorate views as important right now, and focus there.”

      Some NZers voted in John Key in 2008 with just 16% women at the top of the National list. Think about what the electorate views as important right now, and focus there.

      fify

      But not sure what your point is. Do you mean that Labour’s move towards gender equity won’t get them votes? Can you see that having more women MPs might be a good thing irrespective of election strategy?

      I’m not sure if more women MPs on the left will get the left more votes or not. We should be doing it because it’s the right and fair thing to do. I’d be happy if NACT did it too.

      • Colonial Viper 19.2.1

        Good luck with that. I mean it. Really hope it flies electorally.

        • weka 19.2.1.1

          It works for the GP (women feel valued and attracted to the party as a result of the gender policies). You might want to ask what it is about the Labour constituency that means it might not work for Labour, if that’s what you think.

          On the other hand, you could offer support to women working within Labour to make the policy work (or be adopted). I’d be interested to know how the rule change was developed. Does Labour have a women’s issues group?

          • The Fan Club 19.2.1.1.1

            Hahaha do you mean the notorious “women’s council”? Because yes Labour has one of those. It also has a whole bunch of other bits. This proposal came from the org review via a working group and NZ council.

            • weka 19.2.1.1.1.1

              So, would it be fair to say that the number of women in those parts of Labour had an influence?

              • The Fan Club

                You mean, would it be fair to say women’s (as a sector) and women [as a a group] are really heavily involved in this proposal? I would say “very fucking much”.

                • weka

                  So we could perhaps conclude from that that having women in the Labour party serves women well?

                  • The Fan Club

                    Yeah, it’s almost like reliying of blokes like cv isn’t a super reliable way of getting anywhere…

                    • weka

                      so it might be a good idea to putt structures in place so that women don’t have to rely on men who won’t advance their issues :-)

  20. RedLogix 20

    Seems to me that the blokes have had a very generous crack at the job for a few millenia now, and so far seem to have made an almighty bodge of it.

    How about total “man ban”? Could only be an improvement….

    • Colonial Viper 20.1

      They should have kept the vote to white Christian men of good standing with at least a quids worth of property.

    • vto 20.2

      Sounds good to me redlogix, could do with some time off

      • weka 20.2.1

        “How about total “man ban”? Could only be an improvement….”

        Except that women don’t tend to naturally work as the top level in dominating societies. I’d prefer an egalitarian system that took into account the skills and values of all genders without locking individuals into gender specific roles.

      • Colonial Viper 20.2.2

        Sounds perfect. Missus and her family already make most of the dough.

        • vto 20.2.2.1

          i think the missing link in all of this weka viper is the missing link of the male. how do you overcome that?

          • weka 20.2.2.1.1

            What do you mean?

          • lprent 20.2.2.1.2

            …missing link of the male. how do you overcome that?

            Ah the straight line – how can one resist..

            What you have to do is to fix the weak arse Y chromosome so it doesn’t suffer quite as much genetic deformation… Females have a much more robust and stable genetic profile (just as they do in the human social world as well)..

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome

            By one estimate, the human Y chromosome has lost 1,393 of its 1,438 original genes over the course of its existence, and linear extrapolation of this 1,393 gene loss over 300 million years gives a rate of genetic loss of 4.6 genes per million years.[14] Continued loss of genes at the 4.6 genes per million year rate would result in a Y chromosome with no functional genes — that is the Y chromosome would lose complete function — within the next 10 million years. Comparative genomic analysis, however, reveals that many mammalian species are experiencing a similar loss of function in their heterozygous sex chromosome. Degeneration may simply be the fate of all nonrecombining sex chromosomes due to three common evolutionary forces: high mutation rate, inefficient selection and genetic drift.[10] Furthermore, comparisons of the human and chimpanzee Y chromosomes (first published in 2005) show that the human Y chromosome has not lost any genes since the divergence of humans and chimpanzees between 6–7 million years ago,[15] and a scientific report in 2012 stated that only one gene had been lost since humans diverged from the rhesus macaque 25 million years ago.[16] These facts provide direct evidence that the linear extrapolation model is flawed and suggest that the current human Y chromosome is either no longer shrinking or is shrinking at a much slower rate than 4.6 genes per million years estimated by the linear extrapolation model.

            Ask a silly question – get a silly but informative answer :twisted:

    • Sable 20.3

      Yes, because Helen Clarke and Jenny Shipley did such a great job when they were in office. Sexist PC claptrap.

      • weka 20.3.1

        Helen Clark got the legislation passed that allowed midwives to attend births without a doctor present. That legislation transformed midwifery services in this country, including midwifery education, the professionalisation of midwives, and gave women a much better standard of care than they had before. Whatever else you say about Clark, she did do something outstanding for the women of NZ.

        (apparently Shipley was pro-women when she first came into parliament too, but go swallowed up by the old boys network).

  21. Tanz 21

    It’s a sexist idea. Gender should be irrelevant, and merit more important. Men generally make better bosses in my experience, they are more relaxed and fairer, on the whole. But merit should win out, and isn’t discrimination against the law?

  22. Sable 22

    I think anyone should have the right to run for political office irrespective of their gender, race or sexuality. The real problem is the “quality” of politicians in this country as this piece touches upon.

    I’m not anti Labour but I do believe Clarke did real damage to the party and its perception amongst voters, a price they are still paying today. Equally Keys is doing National no favours at all, but then they are the party of the rich so perhaps being an “ass” is part of the job description.

    In truth its not what’s between your legs but between your ears that matters.

    • weka 22.1

      So why do you think there aren’t more women in parliament?

    • Pete 22.2

      Clark kept the plates spinning in the air for three terms, but ultimately failed in succession planning. Which is understandable. It can be the case that once a successor is identified, the leader becomes a lame duck and can’t get anything done.

      Labour is still trying to find its way after Clark and I don’t think history will speak of Shearer in the same way it does of Kirk, Lange and Clark. In the absence of sound political leadership, there’s a lot of directionless factionalism and in-fighting, which doesn’t inspire much confidence.

  23. Saarbo 23

    This paragraph sums it up for me, spot on Eddie!!!

    “Don’t give me this ‘merit’ bullsh*t. You can start by putting to one side the idea that MPs are chosen purely on merit as it is – this is politics we’re talking about.”

    This is great, I support it 100%!!!

    Labour needs to become a party of PRINCIPLE, it then needs politicians that can sell their (Labours) message. I was watching Citizen A tonight and they mentioned that no matter what Key says he remains NZ’s most popular PM. Basically National’s 40% to 50% support dont care when Key Lies, which reflects on these people pretty badly…people watch Key and they think that because he can brush anything off by bull shitting then they can too, I sometimes wonder how damaging Key’s leadership will be to New Zealand longer term.

    I guess we (Kiwis) have always seen ourselves as an honest bunch, and in my business I rely on honesty and 95% of Kiwi’s are bloody honest, but you still get around 1 in 20 that will try and do a Key and bull shit. I suspect we will see this ratio increase as Key makes bull shitting in New Zealand part of everyday life, we’ll be no different to Aussies soon.

    Labour needs to do more of this!!!

  24. AmaKiwi 24

    The first rule of politics is, “Get elected.”
    The second rule of politics is, “Get elected.”
    The third rule . . . . .

    Does anyone here (besides CV) want to win the next election?

    • weka 24.1

      Taking this issue out of the next Labour conference will do nothing to help Labour win, because it’s not what Labour’s problem is.

    • Saarbo 24.2

      Why have labour made (and sticking with) Shearer as Leader then? If you created a list of factors that are most important in getting elected I’m sure your party Leader would sit at the top, way ahead of small constitutional matters such as this.

      Tau Henare and his National mates might be happier in the Muslim Brotherhood.

  25. AmaKiwi 25

    The topic was, “On having a more representative parliament.”

    Answer: Break the whipping system.

    Your MP does NOT represent YOU. She/he is the obedient slave of the leader.

    “Would you care to comment, Mr. Cunliffe?”

    DC: “No comment.”

    Obey the leader or be expelled. Them’s the rules.

    • Colonial Viper 25.1

      Just about time to end the political party system of MPs…

      • AmaKiwi 25.1.1

        Agreed.

        But how?

        • Pascal's bookie 25.1.1.1

          There is no answer to this question.

          Parties exist for a reason in democracies. They are not top down things created to control thought.

          They exist because there is no consensus. There really truly isn’t. People really truly disagree with each other, about all sorts of things and in all soprts of ways.

          So when you have a parliament, people will form coalitions with people who have similar views to them, in order to outvote those with less similar views. Over time, those coalitions will become more and more formalised. People will stand saying I’m like these people and I oppose those other people.

          If you do away with parties, ban them, or whatever, they will just evolve again under a different name. Political parties are an emergent characteristic, if you like, of the polis.

  26. John Drinnan 26

    Have i gor this right? Fourteen of Labour’s 34 Mps are women. But people think that men should be shut out of some electorates to it can get past 50 per cent.
    ]

    • Pascal's bookie 26.1

      Not really John.

      Firstly I very much doubt that this policy is a knee jerk response to the current make up of the caucus. This is a structural debate, not a suggested bandaid.

    • karol 26.2

      No. It would like the caucus to get up to 50% (not over) by 2017.

    • QoT 26.3

      No. We think men should be locked in tiny cages and fed scraps.

  27. AmaKiwi 27

    What difference does it make? The only opinion that counts is John Key’s.

  28. Green machine UpandComer 28

    Well that’s a shame. I really wanted to stand for the Labour party, but I’m not going to be given a fair go as they already have enough males.

    • weka 28.1

      Why don’t you go and read the actual proposed rule change. Then you will be able to make an informed comment and know what you are talking about. Surely an asset for someone wanting to be an MP.

      • AmaKiwi 28.1.1

        “I really wanted to stand for the Labour party”

        I hope you enjoy following orders and justifying to the voters why you voted for something you don’t believe in.

        We call that hypocrisy. In parliament it’s called being a team player.

  29. Frustrated 29

    I’m a woman and I think this policy is sexist, demeaning and ridiculous.

    It’s like admitting that the Labour Party can’t trust its own processes to pick talented women with leadership abilities, so they have to bring in a silly blunt rule. How can Labour’s female MPs be taken seriously if people think they only got the job through positive discrimination?
    Are we really willing to reject talented male candidates in ‘women only’ electorates? Won’t this simply encourage males not to bother voting in those electorates?
    The trick is to address the barriers that stop women from wanting to go into politics in the first place – the aggressive, combative culture of Parliament, the long hours and family-unfriendly nature of the job, the requirement to have a huge ego and crack schoolboy jokes….

    Get the basics right Labour – simply choose quality candidates who are intelligent, quick-witted, articulate, compassionate, have people skills, are consistent in their values, are focused on core issues like jobs, health, education, affordable housing, keeping national assets, and who have the charisma to inspire other NZers to follow them.
    I don’t care what sex, colour, sexuality or how many limbs they have!

    Yes, it would be nice to think that eventually we’ll get more MPs in Parliament who reflect the diversity of our society, but isn’t that gradually happening anyway? Under the last Labour govt we had the world’s first transsexual MP and she did a great job.

    I made the mistake of voting for a new mayor in my city based on the fact that she was female, as the other candidates were all older males who seemed quite conservative and dull. I assumed she might take a broader view of the city’s future direction. How wrong I was, she’s been one of the worst of the lot. It was wrong of me to stereotype another woman – some are good, some are bad, just like men, and lesbians, and ethnic minorities, and people who own Fords/Holdens.

    I appreciate that it’s hard for women to get their issues on the agenda without equal representation in Parliament, but I really don’t think this policy is the right way to go about it. Positive discrimination doesn’t work in the long run, it only angers and marginalises talented people.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 29.1

      “…Labour Party can’t trust its own processes to pick talented women with leadership abilities…”

      But a change to the process is the wrong way to go about it?

      I think you’ll find, in the real world, positive discrimination only angers racists and misogynist cry-babies.

      • Populuxe1 29.1.1

        “I think you’ll find, in the real world, positive discrimination only angers racists and misogynist cry-babies.”

        Are you still beating your wife?

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 29.1.1.1

          The argument is that positive discrimination only angers talented people. Perhaps you can see a similar flaw in that sentiment.

          • Populuxe1 29.1.1.1.1

            Not really. You pass over a talented person for someone of lesser ability but who ticks all the diversity boxes and see what happens.

    • karol 29.2

      The system in political parties, especially the National Party is biased toward selection of male candidates.

      How can Labour’s female MPs be taken seriously if people think they only got the job through positive discrimination?

      By your reasoning, given the traditional masculine bias in parliament, how can any male MPs be taken seriously?

    • weka 29.3

      “Are we really willing to reject talented male candidates in ‘women only’ electorates?”

      Can you please give a citation that this is what Labour intends to do?

      “I made the mistake of voting for a new mayor in my city based on the fact that she was female, as the other candidates were all older males who seemed quite conservative and dull. I assumed she might take a broader view of the city’s future direction. How wrong I was, she’s been one of the worst of the lot.”

      Sure, but can you see that your mistake wasn’t in voting for a woman per se, it was because you thought that voting for a woman outside of other factors like competency was a good thing to do. No-one is suggesting that Labour favours candidates who are women but who are incompetent. It’s a complete misunderstanding of the issues to think that the proposed women candidates won’t be competent.

    • Rogue Trooper 29.4

      yes, made for interesting reading until the last sentence (thanks OAK)

    • QoT 29.5

      a silly blunt rule

      Right, so we’ve established early on that you haven’t bothered finding out what the actual proposal entails.

    • Mary 29.6

      “How wrong I was, she’s been one of the worst of the lot.”

      Do you live in Whanganui?

  30. AmaKiwi 30

    @ Frustrated

    “choose quality candidates who are intelligent, quick-witted, articulate, . . . . and have the charisma to inspire other NZers to follow them.”

    If Labour had a leader like that, they could win an election.

  31. Santi 31

    What is going on at Labour? This policy is ridiculous, absurd, even for those who do not support the party.
    Copying the Greens is no good, no good at all.

  32. chris73 32

    I think Labour needs to be strong and show it will not bow down to opinion polls, this is a brave move forward and will only benefit NZ in the long term.

    Any backtracking now and it will look like they’ve been scared off so they need to push on through with this

    Stand strong Labour and don’t give in to the rampant sexism that pervades NZ

    :)

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 32.1

      Two possibilities here.

      1. You know this is at a “proposal” stage rather than actual policy, but lying about it makes you feel clever or
      2. You’re ignorant and too stupid to fact check your assumptions.

      Which is it?

      • Winston Smith 32.1.1

        Neither, its more like having fun at Labours expense because when they’ve got National on the ropes they do something stupid to take the heat off National (again)

        Its almost like they don’t know what to do when they have the ascendency… :)

  33. Descendant Of Sssmith 33

    Affirmative action policies are sometimes necessary and it would be great to see the Labour Party more representative.

    It seems to me though that the list is the ideal way to fix the gender imbalance and to provide a way for introducing and mentoring new (more women) MP’s to parliament.

    We initially saw this with the introduction of both more female and non-European MP’s and while there was the occasional and spectacular failure in the main we saw more diversity and spread of representation.

    In general I still want my electorate MP to be a person understanding of and committed to local issues and prepared to work on constituent issues.

    List MP’s on the other hand can and should be used to address both gender and ethnic imbalances and to provide a training ground for up and coming MP’s and succession planning

    Pairing the new list MP up with their future constituency location MP to develop those community relationships and get the support of the local people at some point in the future would be part of the succession planning.

    This approach gives someone at least three years to learn the parliamentary ropes, learn select committee processes, etc.

    Too often the list is being used to protect existing power bases rather than as both a balancing and development tool.

    • Pascal's bookie 33.1

      See any problems with using the list as a way of ensuring diversity?

      • Descendant Of Sssmith 33.1.1

        Some experienced MP’s might have to fight a bit harder for their electoral seat?

      • karol 33.1.2

        A lot of females added to the bottom of the list to ensure overall gender balance, while males hog the top positions?

        Gender balance is an issue in politics, and candidate quotas is one way to try to tackle it. Another is mentoring potential candidates, providing them with skills and political knowledge to give them confidence and capabilities to stand as a candidate.

        The biggest and most fundamental problem that I see for women (and LGBTi) people in politics is in the stereotyping. It has a major impact on women MPs in senior and leadership roles. it impacts on the kinds of ways women are expected to behave to be politically successful: ie the need to balance “feminine” presentation with “masculine” traits deemed necessary for political success.

        This impacts on the kinds of portfolios women in the governing party are given.

        Quotas may go some way to countering this. But I think there needs to be more awareness by selectors of how gender traits are perceived (by themselves and the public, via the way the media portrays them).

        My biggest criticism right now of the Labour caucus, gender-wise, is that it has a very male-dominated leadership team. And it panders a lot to gender stereotyping (eg Shearer’s courting of John Tamihere a while back).

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 33.1.2.1

          There’s also the personal stress. Can you imagine the reaction if anyone went after Bronagh Key the way the National Party went after Peter Davis?

          MPs get a lot of personal abuse directed at them; the men’s families are off limits.

          • Populuxe1 33.1.2.1.1

            Unless you’re Hone Harawira – though I seem to remember a while back that Max Key copped some attention for tweeting homophobic comments or some such.

        • Descendant Of Sssmith 33.1.2.2

          No not to the bottom of the list but to the top. I thought that was self explanatory.

    • Tangled up in blue 33.2

      I agree that positive discrimination is fine in some contexts. But 14 of Labour’s 34 MPs and 8 of their 22 electorate MPs are women. I’m not convinced that it’s necessary here.

  34. One Anonymous Knucklehead 34

    On first blush it looks like a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

    On closer inspection, it appears that the walnut is made of teak, or maybe oak :)

  35. AmaKiwi 35

    My MP could be a two-headed tri-sexual Martian for all the difference it makes.

    Your MP does NOT represent their constituent. They serve at the pleasure of the party leader. They are dogs on a leash unless they get to the head of the pack.

    How could any self-respecting person approve a bill on which 29 pages were blacked out? Do you imagine all National MPs are so thick that everyone of them supports the GCSB changes or charter schools? Of course not.

    Get the power to recall your MP and suddenly they will serve YOU.

    Liberate your MP. Make him/her accountable to the voters in YOUR electorate.

  36. AmaKiwi 36

    Wikipedia: “A recall election (also called a recall referendum or representative recall) is a procedure by which voters can remove an elected official from office through a direct vote before his or her term has ended.

    “Recalls, which are initiated when sufficient voters sign a petition, have a history dating back to the ancient Athenian democracy[1] and are a feature of several contemporary constitutions.

    • Colonial Viper 36.1

      You answered your own question :)

      There should be an option to recall specific pieces of newly passed legislation as well.

      • McFlock 36.1.1

        Nah. Too californian. They ended up with too many projects and not enough taxes to pay for them.

        Someone suggested an 18-month expiry for some legislation (might even have been you), which needs to be re-passed to become permanent. I’m probably more into that than recalling legislation or MPs, although with firm electoral finance limits the recall option isn’t so bad.

        I reckon the more pressing alteration is around lowering the threshold for list seats, so you don’t get the 2008-11 situation where one party just missed out on the threshhold but another ended up with five mps by virtue of an electorate seat, even though it got many fewer party votes.

        Side note: “many fewer”? “a lot fewer”? “much fewer”? Hmmm.

  37. Adrian 37

    The first thing a potential candidate needs is legitimatcy, so offer an electorate a candidate that is deliberately chosen from only one sex and see how that goes.
    Should go well, ay.

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 37.1

      Actually if they are a quality person it won’t matter.

      Positive discrimination means that you favour one group when you have more than one person suitable.

      So if you have three suitable people, two male and one female, you would choose the female.

      Quite a simple concept to grasp.

      Now if the issue is that there are stuff all suitable people regardless of gender or ethnicity then Labour is in extremely poor shape.

      • tracey 37.1.1

        AAA+++

        Succinct and simple and look how many posts we had to wade through to get to it. THIS is how Greens describe their policy. WHY is that so hard for Labour…

        The blind leading the blind over there. The Labour Party will be single-handedly responsible for National’s second and third (if they get it) terms and any damage done to our country (further asset sales and attached lolly scramble) will be on their collective heads. I wonder if that’s a message sinple enough for them to comprehend.

        I wanted Shearer to be leader. However I heard him speak after Norman on the radio about the GCSB… he is still awful…

      • Adrian 37.1.2

        In reality it does because the perception would be that the selected female was inferior to the quality of males in the selection process therefore the males had to be eliminated purely on the basis of gender, or a whole new undefencible political concept of Gendermandering.
        Whatever electorate, even a safe left one, that this stunt would be pulled in would be unwinnable.

        • Descendant Of Sssmith 37.1.2.1

          Bullshit.

          • Adrian 37.1.2.1.1

            Try it and you’d finish behind the McGillicuddy Serious Party! The candidate would spend the entire campaign defending the selection process and the fact that they were selected in a discriminatory fashion, meanwhile poverty, health disparities, and true gender equality issues etc wouldn’t get a look in.

            • Colonial Viper 37.1.2.1.1.1

              Labour is too blind to take off its beltway glasses and see the obvious. Make no mistake; the measure will pass and Labour will be pilloried all over again by the media going into election year.

    • AmaKiwi 37.2

      “The first thing a potential candidate needs is legitimatcy.”

      No. The National candidate in my (Labour) electorate needs GPS to find his way to the electorate.

      Under MMP, the party vote is all that matters.

      Key, Goff, and Cunliffe don’t live within a 4 hour walk of their respective electorates.

  38. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 38

    Your post has a picture of Aaron Gilmore, presumably to show that the person who was 56th on National’s list would have done a better job had he been selected solely on the basis of his gender. Fair enough.

    Anyone remember Alamein Kopu? Selected by the Alliance only because she is maori and a woman. How’d that turn out?

    • tracey 38.1

      How many more can you name, that fit your paradigm, and how many that don’t? Worth, Banks? Capill, ….

      • jaymam 38.1.1

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Awatere_Huata

        “Shortly before the 1996 election, Awatere Huata joined the ACT New Zealand party. This surprised many commentators, as ACT was not generally associated with the sort of cause that Awatere Huata had previously supported. She was ranked in fourth place on ACT’s party list…”

    • felix 38.2

      “Selected by the Alliance only because she is maori and a woman.”

      Yes, it’s inconceivable that a maori woman would be selected on any other basis.

      The problem beautifully illustrated, thank you gormless.

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 38.2.1

        Felix, what other knowledge and experience did she bring? Her years of unemployment immediately before entering Parliament clearly prepares her well for the hard work and high moral standard she applied during her stellar parliamentary career. But give her a tick for representing an entire gender and one whole ethnicity.

        • felix 38.2.1.1

          I don’t know. What did Aaron Gilmore bring? What does David Bennett bring? What does Chris Tremain bring?

          I can’t think of a single useful quality or skill between the three of them. So I guess by your reasoning they were only selected on the basis of their ethnicity and gender.

          • Populuxe1 38.2.1.1.1

            Yes, actually – they were more than likely shoulder-tapped because they were white and male. It’s still a bunch of undemocratic shit.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 38.2.1.1.1.1

              Except Gilmore is maori.

              • Populuxe1

                Is he? It’s hard to tell under all the grease.

              • felix

                Really gormy? What’s his iwi?

                • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                  I do not know. Why?

                  • felix

                    Because I don’t know and I thought you might, seeing as you’re the only person on the planet who had any idea about his no doubt proud maori heritage.

                    Not that it has any bearing on the comments above. I still have to assume, according to your own claims, that he was selected only on the basis of his ethnicity and gender.

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      you’re the only person on the planet who had any idea about his no doubt proud maori heritage.

                      Do you doubt it?

                    • felix

                      I don’t follow. Do I doubt what?

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      That he’s maori.

                    • felix

                      I have no reason to doubt you.

                      But it makes no difference to him being selected only for his ethnicity and gender, does it?

  39. tracey 39

    Wow, look at the number of posts, for my sins I read them all…

    A party that is lagging in the polls is generating this much vitriol over a proposal

    I don’t know, I guess it just seems like some folks find this kind of suggestion threatening, but to what, they say “fair play”, but the evidence is the system has been contra fair-play for hundreds of years. It has improved in that time but why not keep improving it?

    Encourage more women to put themselves forward for candidacy and election. What a truly horrible concept and a true affront to notions of fair-play.

    I googled the policy and all I got was links tot he media discussion (I use that term sparingly) of it.

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 39.1

      It’s a good discussion to have though.

      You’ve seen the easy reversion to a male dominated party in National after it too made some headway.

      You’ve seen the Maori Party with both male and female co-leaders and Greens the same.

      It shouldn’t be surprising that the left wing parties move to a much more equitable playing field.

      Letting the right paint this as a nonsense and set the portrayal of it as such is problematic to a small extent but those things should be expected and will blow over in a few days.

      It will get supported within Labour or it won’t but the discussion and the debate will be worth it because it can only advance equality and equity issues.

      Hopefully there will also be discussion on workers rights, welfare systems and so on as well.

      • Waffler 39.1.1

        Agreed. It’s a good discussion to have. It’s a shame that they couldn’t have framed the discussion better and been less reactive.

        Personally I think 50% should be the target – and judicious use of the list is a good way to get that.

  40. Delia 40

    Until I was about 25 everyone in parliament was a man usually white. Us girls growing up got the message you do not matter in the affairs of running the country. How can National justifiably criticise Labour for this, when they themselves have a target system to get women on boards. What is the difference? The more women in parliament the better. National it has nothing to do with you, how Labour selects its candidates anyway.

  41. tas 41

    Asians are even more underrepresented than women. Asians make up 10% of the population, but less than 5% of MPs. (They are also an important voting block.) Will Labour take action to ensure there are more asian MPs?

  42. Populuxe1 42

    Here’s a good left wing critique as to why this is a silly idea on Labour’s part
    http://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/the-gender-trap.html

    • Pascal's bookie 42.1

      The author clearly wants deeper changes in Labour, and that’s great.

      But as a critique of this proposal it’s a mess.

      The author says that Labour should be doing other things, but that doesn’t mean that doing this is what’s stopping those other changes from happening.

      The things the author wants to see could happen alongside these changes, or without them. They are not connected in any way, so far as I can see.

      • Colonial Viper 42.1.1

        The piece is fairly simple. Labour is happy to pursue issues of gender balance as it doesn’t pose a challenge to the capitalist and neoliberal portions of its economic thinking.

        • Pascal's bookie 42.1.1.1

          Yes, and?

          the problem isn’t the gender issues, it’s the failure in other areas.

          Failing as well on gender issues sounds like a great plan.

          • Colonial Viper 42.1.1.1.1

            Shall I spell it out for you? These measures would get 3 more female MPs into today’s Labour Caucus.

            Celebrate this success in “gender issues”, by all means.

            • Pascal's bookie 42.1.1.1.1.1

              So?

              The author says that Labour should be doing other things, but that doesn’t mean that doing this is what’s stopping those other changes from happening.

              The things the author wants to see could happen alongside these changes, or without them. They are not connected in any way, so far as I can see.

              Adress this, or GTFO.

              How would not doing this help with the other changes?

              I see Jones and others whinging about this, but I don;t see a peep out of them in terms of actually making the other changes. So what gives?

              • Rosetinted

                I want it all, and I want it now! And why not? We have been waiting long enough to see good women, Maori and other ‘minorities’ to get into the padded chairs of decision making, structural change and power.

                A forward move by a political body to make way for more capable women to advance shouldn’t take up all available energy to make change and progress people’s, and the country’s circumstances. That is if the body concerned is not so diseased, frail and sick and wasting away that it cannot summon the vitality to make positive moves to save itself and the rest of us who care about the country’s direction.

                We will still get some good girls who have too much undeserved respect for male views and the status quo that such women have left leave, but then that’s just another diversion from clear thinking like alcohol, and we’ve plenty of lushes we accommodate in our leading figures. Maybe they all will learn to be more discriminating in their standards and vision eventually.

                • Rosetinted

                  I’ll just reply to myself, talking to oneself often produces…? The idea of Labour having a set 50% of women on their list is arbitrary and sounds sexist and patronising. Also pc and ideological.

                  Just because someone clicks their tongue disapprovingly and says they have thought of a way to make things fairer and better, doesn’t mean that they come up with a sensible and workable idea. Labour gone middle class away from beating poverty and bad working conditions, tends to attach itself to nice theories too often short on practical outcomes.

                  More women of merit should be encouraged, and it just can’t be left to electorates who might tend to find a male, middle aged lawyer, to be a more suitable candidate than an active Labour supporter from a factory with good political nous. (Few of those around because of a lack of factories now, and perhaps that is because of too many middle class lawyers, men and women, getting picked! A vicious circle.)

      • The Fan Club 42.1.2

        The people who are against this change are against deeper changes also. All one fight.

    • fender 42.2

      Looks to be an article about how it’s futile for Labour to do anything until it shakes off the neo-liberal fleas.

      • Colonial Viper 42.2.1

        Nope – its an article which expects Labour to keep doing everything but challenge the neoliberal economic paradigm of growth through free markets and free trade.

    • RedLogix 42.3

      I’m not too surprised at how this modest proposal (it’s not all that radical really) has brought out the reactionary underbelly of this country. It’s par for the course really.

      The underlying idea to promote gender equity is a good idea, but the execution from Labour has been appalling. Sheer lack of political skill at every level.

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    This post is part of the 100 Days ProjectDay 36Craft Kitchen is an organic, gourmet sort of cafe which opened near the corner of Ponsonby and Great North Roads a bit over a month ago.  The first week it was...
    Notes from the edge | 22-08
  • Letter to the Editor – Transparency in government – do we have it or no...
    . . from: Frank Macskasy to: Dominion Post <letters@dompost.co.nz> date: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 subject: Letters to the Editor . The Editor Dominion Post . Some National Party supporters are keen to over-look allegations of wrong-doing and dirty politics in...
    Frankly Speaking | 22-08
  • Letter to the Editor – Transparency in government – do we have it or no...
    . . from: Frank Macskasy to: Dominion Post <letters@dompost.co.nz> date: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 subject: Letters to the Editor . The Editor Dominion Post . Some National Party supporters are keen to over-look allegations of wrong-doing and dirty politics in...
    Frankly Speaking | 22-08
  • Letter to the Editor – The Marianna’s Trench or Pluto?! WTF was Key hol...
    . . from:      Frank Macskasy to:           Sunday News <editor@sunday-news.co.nz> date:      Fri, Aug 22, 2014 subject: Letter to the editor . The editor Sunday News . He says he doesn’t know about Judith Collins...
    Frankly Speaking | 22-08
  • Letter to the Editor – The Marianna’s Trench or Pluto?! WTF was Key hol...
    . . from:      Frank Macskasy to:           Sunday News <editor@sunday-news.co.nz> date:      Fri, Aug 22, 2014 subject: Letter to the editor . The editor Sunday News . He says he doesn’t know about Judith Collins...
    Frankly Speaking | 22-08
  • Letter to the Editor – Just what is the Prime Minister’s role?!
    . . FROM: Frank Macskasy SUBJECT: Letter to the Editor DATE: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 TO: The Listener <letters@listener.co.nz. . The editor The Listener . John Key says he knew nothing about the activities of his one-time media consultant, Jason...
    Frankly Speaking | 22-08
  • Letter to the Editor – Just what is the Prime Minister’s role?!
    . . FROM: Frank Macskasy SUBJECT: Letter to the Editor DATE: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 TO: The Listener <letters@listener.co.nz. . The editor The Listener . John Key says he knew nothing about the activities of his one-time media consultant, Jason...
    Frankly Speaking | 22-08
  • A life working for social justice, David Shearer
    I believe New Zealand can be the best country in the world, where everyone can get a fair go and anyone prepared to work for it can achieve their dream....
    Labour campaign | 22-08
  • Key’s pathetic excuses
    Aug 15, 2014Aug 18, 2014Aug 18, 2014Aug 19, 2014Aug 20, 2014...
    The Jackal | 22-08
  • Is Whale Oil a journalist (2)?
    Some time ago, I wrote about Cameron Slater’s claim to be a journalist, which he is invoking for the purposes of protecting his confidential sources. The District Court ordered him to turn over his sources in a defamation case brought...
    Media Law Journal | 22-08
  • Government considering starting CRL on time
    I’ve long suspected the realities surrounding the City Rail Link and its close relationship to some of the biggest development projects in Auckland would in some ways force the governments hand and require an earlier start than 2020. Yesterday the...
    Transport Blog | 22-08
  • Poll of polls
    Polity's poll of polls is up to date, over at the Poll of Polls page. The short version, good to use as a more-or-less pre-Dirty Politics baseline, is: National: 50.4% Labour: 26.4% Greens: 12.0% NZF: 4.6% InternetMANA: 2.3% Conservative: 2.1%...
    Polity | 22-08
  • Primary Teachers Rise Up!
    I have been a primary teacher for 35 years and for over half of that time I have been an active member of the New Zealand Educational Institute, New Zealand's largest education union. NZEI Te Riu Roa represents 50,000 members, including...
    Local Bodies | 22-08
  • Friday melts, weird weather and whales (it’s been a long time…)
    It’s been a long time since my last post: apologies for that. You may blame a bad cold, an urgent need for root canal work, the peak of the truffle season (and truffle tours for culinary heroes1 ), the start...
    Hot Topic | 22-08
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies – Today No. 29: It’s a left-wing smear campaig...
     Key: 'Left wing smear campaign'   Key continues to back Collins    John Key is wrong. He is not the victim of a smear campaign, and here's why: First, let's define "smear campaign". Wikipedia: A smear campaign, smear tactic or simply smear is...
    Arch Rival | 22-08
  • How Many National MPs are Corrupt?
    Reading through the ‘dumps’ of information allegedly showing Scumbag Adulterer Cameron Slater’s messages with National Party Hacks, there is a lot of discussions about money changing hands, Tobacco Companies making ‘donations’, and so on. Not only has Key’s Office and...
    An average kiwi | 22-08
  • Tolley feeds Slater too
    Because of Nicky Hager's excellent book, Dirty Politics, we know that a number of senior National party officials and Ministers have been caught out supplying information and content to the Whale Oil Beef Hooked blogsite, information that Cameron Slater uses...
    The Jackal | 22-08
  • Unsurprising
    No bloggers have signed up to join the Online Media Standards Authority. This isn't really surprising. For a start, membership costs $500 a year (and ten times that if too many people complain) - well beyond the means of most...
    No Right Turn | 22-08
  • Nelson fishing museum satire or not?
    Apparently, unless Fairfax is now taking on The Civilian in the field of satirical news, the Minister of Conservation Nick Smith and fishing magnate Peter Talley are planning a fishing museum in Nelson. And the Minister considers this "ambitious new...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 22-08
  • Steering By The Real: Chris Trotter Responds To Paul Buchanan.
    Uncharacteristically Idealistic: Normally a cool-headed realist (as befits an expert in international relations) Dr Paul Buchanan has taken issue with Chris Trotter's "cynical" Bowalley Road posting Dirty Politics - Is There Any Other Kind? by offering a passionately idealistic defence of...
    Bowalley Road | 22-08
  • This should not have taken five years
    Back in 2009, after the Herald was given information showing that National MP Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi was suspected by the Immigration Service of paying off a woman at the centre of allegations he had made bogus job offers, Immigration Minister...
    No Right Turn | 22-08
  • Poll of Polls update – 22 August 2014
    The latest Herald Digipoll has just been released, and with a polling window running from 14 August to 20 August, the entirety of the polling was completed following the release of Dirty Politics. The results show a sharp fall of 4.9% for National. However,...
    Occasionally erudite | 22-08
  • Hard News: In The Green Room
    Next Thursday, John Key and David Cunliffe will meet in the first TVNZ leaders' debate. At the same time, Green Party co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman will appear in The Green Room, a "companion" debate streamed live online.I'll be...
    Public Address | 21-08
  • Walking in Manukau
    Just over a month ago I was out at Manukau City, at the open day of the new MIT, which doubles as Manukau station. This is a brilliant facility, with world class integration of land use and transport. If you...
    Transport Blog | 21-08
  • World News Brief, Friday August 22
    Top of the AgendaThai Junta Leader Appointed PM...
    Pundit | 21-08
  • Review finds community water fluoridation safe and effective
    A press release from the Royal Society of NZ today. I think the “take home message is: “The panel concluded that the concerns raised by those opposed to fluoridation are not supported by the scientific evidence” A review of the...
    Open Parachute | 21-08
  • Seismic testing stopped in Norway but coming soon to Northland
    Seismic testing for oil in the Arctic Barents Sea, commissioned by the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate has been stopped four days after it began and one month ahead of schedule after Greenpeace exposed it to the media. But off the coast...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 21-08
  • Hard News: Friday Music: A Strange Road
    It was one thing when the Electoral Commission declared Darren Watson's 'Planet Key' song and video to be an "election programme" under the Broadcasting Act. But quite another for it to then find it to also be an "election advertisement"...
    Public Address | 21-08
  • More proof
    Adam Bennet in the Herald reports: New evidence has emerged appearing to contradict Prime Minister John Key's claim he was never told by the SIS it intended to release politically sensitive secret documents to Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater. But...
    Polity | 21-08
  • Up Front: Oh, God
    I'm not a militant atheist. I've always been grateful that I was raised by a good Christian woman; one who believed in kindness, and giving, and generally not being a judgemental homophobic arsehole. Those people's voices are largely missing from...
    Public Address | 21-08
  • New Fisk
    Air strikes? Talk of God? Obama is following the jihadists’ script...
    No Right Turn | 21-08
  • Key fails to keep his lies straight
    When evidence emerged yesterday that John Key had been briefed on Cameron Slater's expedited OIA to the SIS, he was quick to deny it. Apparently when the SIS director and the Ombudsman referred explicitly to "discussions with the Prime Minister",...
    No Right Turn | 21-08
  • Enter the Mad Butcher
    One aspect of the disgusting messages between National party propagandist Cameron Slater and his accomplice Aaron Bhatnagar that hasn't been picked up on by the mainstream media yet is their discussion about Peter Leitch AKA the Mad Butcher.This part of...
    The Jackal | 21-08
  • NEWSFLASH: John Key Clone Used to Fake News Conference
    Incredibly “Left Wing Smear” Campaigners have used a time machine, travelled back to August 8th 2011, with a Clone of John Key (That they made days before, using number eight wire and Oravida Milk Powder), and held a News Conference...
    An average kiwi | 21-08
  • Norway in sneak attack on the Arctic
    The Esperanza has been in Svalbard, in the Arctic, for a few weeks now and we recently became aware of something urgent and disturbing. A seismic company called Dolphin Geophysical, commissioned by the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate, has begun seismic mapping...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 21-08
  • Vote Choice: Social Media Round-up
    We will return to our regularly scheduled coverage of party leader’s position on abortion. Meanwhile, this week’s Vote Choice series focuses on what we have heard from supporters across social media. We’ve also listed some interesting resources that can help...
    ALRANZ | 21-08
  • “Dirty Politics” and The Teflon Man
    . . The release of Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Secrets” has unleashed more of a political firestorm than many had anticipated. (Or, perhaps some did.) The glare of publicity has been shone like a laser-beam into the darkest, most noisome...
    Frankly Speaking | 21-08
  • “Dirty Politics” and The Teflon Man
    . . The release of Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Secrets” has unleashed more of a political firestorm than many had anticipated. (Or, perhaps some did.) The glare of publicity has been shone like a laser-beam into the darkest, most noisome...
    Frankly Speaking | 21-08
  • Is Penlink worth it?
    As the Council puts together its 10 year budget over the coming months there will be some really big questions that need to be addressed in the area of transport. When to start City Rail Link? How fast to build...
    Transport Blog | 21-08
  • Abandoning Science – And The Planet
    Weeping For The Planet: The famous "Crying Indian" advertisement, produced by Keeping America Beautiful, struck a deep chord with Americans when it first screened on "Earth Day" - 22 April  1971. It was a time when both the Left and the...
    Bowalley Road | 21-08
  • Peters: With Real Representation, Real Progress
    Speech – New Zealand First Party Early this month, the New Zealand First candidate for Tauranga, Clayton Mitchell, organised a meeting between local city councillors and myself. You will recall that back then he and New Zealand First gave a...
    Its our future | 21-08
  • The Green Party’s campaign video
    The Green Party's 2014 election campaign opening broadcast.A cleaner, fairer, smarter New Zealand.http://greens.org.nz #LoveNZ...
    The Jackal | 21-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
  • PRIME MINISTER’S DENIAL AT ODDS WITH NATIONAL PARTY STATEMENT
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has today released an email from the General Manager of the National Party that directly contradicts recent statements from the Prime Minister in relation to the 2011 breaches of Labour Party website databases. In his stand-up...
    Labour | 16-08
  • Labour committed to a healthier NZ for all
    A Labour Government will shift the focus of the health system from narrow targets and short term thinking to make public health and prevention a priority, Labour’s health spokesperson Annette King says. Releasing Labour’s full Health policy today she said...
    Labour | 15-08
  • Time Key took responsibility for Collins
    It is well past time for John Key to take some responsibility for the misuse of power and information by his Minister Judith Collins, and follow through on his last warning to her, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “The evidence released...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Dear John, time to answer a few questions… – Harawira
    “When Cameron Slater says about Kim Dotcom ‘I have lots on him…death by a thousand cuts…wait till you see what comes out in coming weeks on that fat c***t’, you have to ask whether this is the same Cameron Slater...
    Mana | 14-08
  • MANA CANDIDATE FOR IKAROA RAWHITI OPENS UP ABOUT SUICIDE
    “This week suicide has claimed yet more lives in whanau and communities in Ikaroa Rawhiti, and my heart goes out to those who are dealing with such a tragic loss”, says MANA candidate for Te Ikaroa Rawhiti, Te Hamua Nikora....
    Mana | 14-08
  • Offshore betting in Labour’s sights
    A Labour Government will clamp down on offshore gambling websites that deprive the local racing industry of funds, Labour’s Racing spokesperson Ross Robertson says. Releasing Labour’s racing policy today, he said betting on offshore websites is a major threat to...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Key has serious questions to answer on Dirty Politics
    John Key must answer the serious questions raised in Nicky Hager’s new book which reveal examples of dirty politics that New Zealanders will be deeply concerned about, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Many people will be disturbed by the evidence...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Creating an inclusive society for disabled people
    A Labour Government will provide free annual health checks for people with an intellectual disability, Labour’s Disability Issues spokesperson Ruth Dyson said today in announcing Labour’s Disability Issues policy. “We will also employ another 100 additional special education teachers and...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA name change
    This is to advise all media that on the 24th of July the ‘Mana’ party name was officially changed to ‘MANA Movement’ under the Electoral Act 1993.  The inclusion of the word ‘Movement’ in our name shouldn’t come as a surprise...
    Mana | 13-08
  • New Zealand must help in the growing Iraq crisis
    The humanitarian crisis in Iraq looks certain to get worse before it gets better,” said David Shearer Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealand should urgently pledge increased humanitarian assistance to United Nations agencies and NGOs present on the ground....
    Labour | 13-08
  • Allegations of migrant worker rort should be investigated
    Labour is calling for an investigation into the alleged exploitation of workers at Hutt Railway workshops, hired to repair asbestos-riddled DL locomotives. Hutt South Labour MP Trevor Mallard has written to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment asking that...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Medical and dentistry students get reprieve under Labour
    A Labour Government will restore the right of medical and dentistry students to get student loans after seven years of study because it is the right thing to do, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says. “Hard on the heels...
    Labour | 13-08
  • National must stop meddling with ACC before the election
    The redesign currently occurring at the Accident Claims Corporation (ACC) for sensitive claims needs to be put on hold immediately, said the Green Party today.The Green Party is concerned about work currently underway at ACC involving the sensitive claims service...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Markets slow but first home buyers still hurting
    First home buyers are hurting more than ever as the supply of affordable houses in the market dries up, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “The Reserve Bank will be happy LVR minimum deposits and rising interest rates have dampened...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Green Party celebrates MOU win on contaminated sites
    The Green Party is celebrating the announcement of a national register of contaminated sites today, and $2.5 million to start cleaning two sites up. The Green Party and the National Party agreed to include toxic site management work in their...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Emergency staff at breaking point
    The Southern DHB is so cash-strapped it is failing to fill nursing rosters, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson David Clark says.  “Every day emergency department nurses arrive at work knowing they are likely to be carrying more than their recommended workload. ...
    Labour | 12-08
  • ACC minister fails in mission to change culture
    The latest damning report by the Auditor General shows that the ACC Minister has failed to fulfil her mission to fix the sick culture at ACC and real change will not come till a new Government is elected, the Green...
    Greens | 12-08
  • Labour’s regional development fund to support Palmerston North
    Labour will consider a proposal to develop an inland port at Palmerston North, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The Palmerston North community has developed plans for an inland port which will bring jobs and economic growth to a region which...
    Labour | 12-08
  • Green Party announces priorities for Christchurch
    The Green Party has today announced its plan for a fairer, smarter and more democratic Canterbury rebuild, with a focus on smart transport solutions, restoring local democracy, and keeping Christchurch's assets.The plan sits across all of the Green Party's priorities...
    Greens | 11-08
  • Rock-star economy unplugged by China log jam
    The collapse of log prices due to oversupply in China threatens to wash the gloss off what remains of National's so-called rock-star economy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Already this year the price of milk solids has plunged by more...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Accessible healthcare also affordable
      It is obvious from Tony Ryall’s hasty attack of Labour’s plans to extend free GP visits to older people that he hasn’t bothered to actually read the policy, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. "Mr Ryall’s response to Labour’s...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Full details of oil execs’ junket revealed
    Full details of a $237,000 taxpayer-funded oil executives' junket in 2011 have emerged.National paid the nearly quarter of a million dollars to wine and dine 11 oil executives in New Zealand during the World Cup.The trip included yachting, wine tasting,...
    Greens | 10-08
  • TDB Political Diary for 2014 Election
    Here are the political events TDB will be covering this election. I will be live tweeting these events and  blog reviews will follow the next day. Internet MANA launch – August – Sunday 24th – 1pm, Western Springs School Green...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • One man’s struggle to find a copy of Dirty Politics
    I’m typing this on top of Dirty Politics.  I got the last copy yesterday morning at the local branch of a chain bookshop.  I was really in to get the paper.  I know it sold out – everyone knows - but the first thing...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • From Tucker to Key – while you were out
      From Tucker to Key – while you were out...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Amnesty International – Justice is not Blind in Ferguson
    When a US cop pulls a gun on an unarmed man, he could be acting upon a series of impulses that have been formed since before he or she could talk. What does that police officer see in front of...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Putting an end to zero-hour contracts in 2015
    All around the world attention is being drawn to what have been dubbed in the UK “zero-hour contracts”. These are contracts that don’t have any guaranteed hours even though the worker may be regularly employed. Unite Union has been struggling...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • NZ’s Foreign Aid: The Party Policies Compared
    For the past two elections, I’ve cast my vote based on a single question, which party promises to give the most money in foreign aid? I grant that this is a fairly narrow and simplistic lens through which to judge...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Steering By The Real: Chris Trotter responds to Paul Buchanan
    WHEN ACADEMICS take to blogging the rest of us best be careful. And when they offer comment on the subject of dirty politics we should all pay attention. I will always remember my history lecturer, Dr Michael Cullen’s, confident dismissal...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Interview Between Selwyn Manning & Sean Plunket Over SIS Release of OIA...
    During a RadioLive interview between host Sean Plunket and managing director of Multimedia Investments Ltd, journalist Selwyn Manning, a fiery exchange developed after Plunket attempted to “wet flannel” the issue of whether the Prime Minister has been truthful over what...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • “Even though my hours are being cut, my rent doesn’t get cut to compens...
    Fast Food = Slow Pay   Lola is a manager at a major fast food chain. Last year her employer arbitrarily cut her hours from 32 hours to anywhere between 18 and 26 hours each week. “I said I can’t...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Hate Politics has no place in NZ Politics
    I wasn’t going to write about Nicky Hagar’s ‘Dirty Politics’.  There are plenty of policy issues to discuss. Then I read the book, and what it reveals strikes at the very heart of our democracy. My overwhelming feeling is one...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Pak’nSave pull adverts from Whaleoil
    Pak n Save have replied to complaints that their adverts were appearing on hate speech site Whaleoil by deciding to block their adverts from appearing on the site. Their reply… Congratulations for Pak’NSave on making this type of ethical stand. They...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Herald Poll – Why the Greens will hit 15%
    The biggest problem for John Key is that there are swathes of National Party voters who are educated and decent people whom will be forced to read Dirty Politics out of intellectual curiosity and will be horrified by what National...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Dirty Politics and Dirty Media
    The Nicky Hager book is mind blowing on so many levels. The revelations of government ministers and their staff colluding with vile and hateful schemers to attack other people, is truly ugly. When the dust settles on the illegalities, immoralities...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • “You just have to keep on fighting” – an interview with Metiria Turei
    We’re meeting in her office. It’s austere, though she does have a nice teapot. The view is startling. One can map the Bowen Triangle, though the teapot is still more interesting. A group of pink faced men are running across...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Taxation and Real Estate – turning housing debate on its head
    The debate about property prices in New Zealand is disingenuous. It is clear that there is a global process in which speculators are using massive amounts of unspent and borrowed money to blow bubbles in the world’s major asset markets....
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – Faith and politics
    In a week which has seen our collective focus shift to those who see politics as a great game to be manipulated for their own ends, it is timely to reflect on the fact that many people are in fact...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Government’s Own Guidelines Show John Key Would Have Been Informed Of SIS...
    Analysis by Selwyn Manning. INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ACQUIRED, sourced from the State Services Commission, states in black and white the tight guideline requirements that must be followed whenever the SIS informs a Prime Minister of any pending release of...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Simply Not Credible: Dr Tucker’s “clarifications” are only making thi...
    THAT DR WARREN TUCKER, Director of the Security Intelligence Service in 2011, agreed to the release of politically sensitive material – thereby intervening in an on-going contretemps between the leaders of the National and Labour parties – without receiving the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: Evidence of Collusion between the NZ Herald and Imm...
    . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the Herald...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Dear Canon NZ – Malevolence should induce revulsion, it shouldn’t be ce...
    Giovanni Tiso’s analysis on Slater is possibly the best in NZ… It’s been a good week for some of us. A week of feeling vindicated, offeeling galvanised. Where it goes from here will depend on several factors, some of which are largely...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • 5AA Australia: After Dirty Politics Can National Provide Stable Government?
    AS WE ALL KNOW New Zealanders and Australians do not like political parties that are unstable, or can no longer assure us that they are able to provide stable government. And the big question for Kiwis as we prepare to...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • SIS letter means it’s over for Key
    It’s over. I may not agree with all of Phil Goff’s positions, but you can’t question his integrity the way Slater did in Dirty Politics and not be deeply concerned that our Secret Intelligence Agency is being used for political...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • who to vote for in Epsom
    who to vote for in Epsom...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • The Rise and Fall of John Key – who will be the next leader of National P...
    . . It was all set to go: Teamkey would be the cult of personality that would do Stalin, Mao, Reagan, Thatcher, or any of the Nth Korean Kim Dynasty, proud.  National and it’s “Teamkey” propaganda strategy   would cash-in Big Time...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Who said Kiwis couldn’t get a fire in their bellies over an arcane intern...
    An amazing team of activists has taken the campaign on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) to local governments throughout the country. Their latest triumph came last Monday when the Dunedin City Council endorsed a resolution expressing concern about the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National’s Dangerous Education Agenda Exposed
    Putting aside the dirty politics coming out of the Beehive and the right-wing blogisphere, there are some very strong signals that another term of a National Government would do even more serious damage to the public education system. The Education...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • We can have clean politics and get our democracy back.
    Something is rotten in our politics and it stinks. Dirty politics has sadly become one of the defining features of this election campaign. In the light of recent revelations about the extent of nasty and disingenuous political strategies, it would...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Book burning copies of Hager’s book? The next generation of National Part...
    It seems we are getting the next generation of National Party Dirty Politics now. There are claims the Young Nats in Hamilton are buying up copies of Dirty Politics and burning them. One witness was contacted by the Waikato Times...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National Party Poetry Day Haiku
    Key’s inbox and Cam’s poison most foul, there he blows hoist by own harpoon...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Why Cunliffe will be the next PM
    David Cunliffe will be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Labour’s inclusive and positive TV adverts… …are in stark contrast to National’s team of white people powering away from the rabble of the ‘others’… …the messaging is vital and crucial...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
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    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Te Kuiti man imprisoned for images of young children
    A Te Kuiti man caught with pictures of children being sexually abused has been sentenced to ten months imprisonment. Sickness beneficiary Daniel James Parry, 35, appeared for sentence in the Tauranga District Court today (Friday) after pleading guilty...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Japan Maritime Training Squadron visit – Open Day, Band
    • The Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force Training Squadron will make port in Auckland from Wednesday 3 September to Saturday 6 September...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • MP Perk Transparency Needed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the increase in taxpayer-funded entitlements for MPs and their families published on the legislation website this afternoon . Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Debating the future of Auckland’s housing
    With only weeks until the General Election, Auckland’s mounting housing crisis will be put under the spotlight in an Election Debate hosted by the School of Architecture and Planning at the University of Auckland. The debate’s topic “Market forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Let’s sort this out – Human Rights Commission
    A Whangarei woman allegedly censured for greeting customers with Kia ora can get in touch with the Human Rights Commission says Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy. “We really need to resolve these kinds of issues. I had thought that...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Aged Care Association welcomes Labour’s wages policy
    The New Zealand Aged Care Association welcomes the Labour Party’s announcement that if elected, it will raise the minimum wage for aged care workers within its first 100 days in Government....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Honorary doctorate for Secretary-General of the UN
    An Honorary Doctor of Laws degree is to be bestowed on His Excellency Mr Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, by the University of Auckland on Wednesday 3 September, both in recognition of his role as an international statesman...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya
    The New Zealand Bar Association joins the International Bar Association (IBA) and other Law Societies and Bar Associations worldwide over the reported surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya, President of the Bar Association of Sri Lanka....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Bob Parker, China State Media and Tibet Forum
    Former Christchurch mayor was signed up to position statement without his knowledge; observed “happiness” in Tibet as Tibetan protesters elsewhere shot by security forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • “Walk the talk to reduce the wage gap”
    There’s just a few weeks left to convince the candidates of all political parties that reducing the wage gaps makes good sense....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Digital Currency on the Drawing Board
    Government policies and digital currency ideas and issues will come together at three public workshops next week....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • NZ Cycle Trail welcomes $8 million fund
    Government funding of $8 million to maintain and enhance the Great Rides of New Zealand will help ensure the trails are delivering the best possible visitor experience, says Evan Freshwater, Manager Nga Haerenga The New Zealand Cycle Trail Inc. (NZCT)....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Judges Comments Bonkers – McVicar
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar is accusing a Judge of forgetting that he is the gate-keeper for the community and not a benevolent caregiver for law breakers. "The comments by this Judge are not just alarming, they're completely...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Oxfam: World must suspend arms sales to protect civilians
    As the New Zealand Government prepares to ratify the global Arms Trade Treaty, and after ceasefire talks collapsed and violence erupted yet again in Gaza yesterday, Oxfam is calling on all states to immediately suspend transfers of arms or ammunition...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Degrees in Picking up Rubbish
    Responding to the Fairfax media report of a University of Otago survey of Wellington’s street-connected walkways, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Another Union row
    “ The teachers union the NZEA is getting ready for another industrial dispute. These disputes now only occur in the government sector. National has no one to blame but themselves” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Whyte: Speech to Grey Power
    National’s failure to increase the age for super and reform health is a threat to every New Zealander’s security....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Local Govt should not go into business
    “No one should take any comfort from the fact that “Infracon”, a roading company in Tararua and Central Hawke's Bay, is to go into liquidation. This puts the future of more than 200 jobs in doubt. ACT sympathises with those...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Join the hikoi to end child poverty in New Zealand
    CPAG is calling on people across society to join a march from Britomart to Aotea Square in Auckland to demand action on child poverty in Aotearoa....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Ngapuhi Chair Says Enough of the Political Sideshow
    Time for side-shows to end so we can focus on future of our nation – Raniera (Sonny) Tau, Chairman, Te Runanga A Iwi O Ngapuhi...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Commissioner of Police v Kim Dotcom And Ors
    An order is made extending the duration of the registration of the restraining orders issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia on 10 and 25 January 2012 and registered in New Zealand on 18...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Labour Announcement on Future of Hillside Workshops Welcome
    Labour leader David Cunliffe’s announcement in Dunedin today that a government led by his party would re-open Hillside Railway workshops was welcomed by the Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU). ‘Since the workshops were shut down in late...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Primary teachers and principals vote to put kids first
    Teachers and principals have voted overwhelmingly against the Government’s controversial “Investing in Educational Success” policy, including proposed highly-paid principal and teacher roles....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunkett: Educating for Success
    In all the turmoil stirred up by the "Dirty Politics" revelations, the real issues that the campaign should be about have been put to one side....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Dirty Politics – Number One Bestseller and Back in Stores
    An exposé of the hidden side of New Zealand politics, Nicky Hager's book, Dirty Politics , has been in hot demand since its release last Wednesday....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Epsom: profiling NZ’s most controversial electorate
    Welcome to the wealthy inner Auckland electorate of Epsom: home of coat-tailing, the Tea Tapes, a convicted outgoing MP... and heavy newspaper and magazine readership....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Families Free From Violence campaign and website
    We are pleased to announce the launch of our Families Free From Violence campaign and our new Families Free From Violence website. This website has been created to encourage people to take responsibility for ending family violence by seeking help...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • PSA And DHBs Reach Settlement on Five Collective Agreements
    The 20 District Health Boards are pleased to reach settlement via mediation on five Multi Employer Collective Agreements (MECAs) with the Public Service Association for 12,000 mental and public health nurses, allied, public health and technical staff,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Refusal to complete census results in 46 convictions
    Failing to fill out a census form has resulted in the convictions of 46 people, Statistics New Zealand said today....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Council Amalgamations Still Bad Deal
    Northland, Bay of Plenty, and Wellington ratepayers should not be seduced into accepting the amalgamation of their Councils by a recent amendment to legislation allowing for local boards not community boards, Chris Leitch, Democrats for Social Credit...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • DHB industrial action withdrawn
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has withdrawn notices of industrial action covering 12,000 health workers at District Health Boards (DHBs) across New Zealand, after progress was made in mediation....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Aged Care Pledge Needs Better Target, Says Care Agency
    Labour’s pledge to set up an aged care working group to address industry concerns is good to see, but appears to skirt the obvious issue of a looming lack of beds and carers for our rapidly growing elderly population, says...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Social inequality still rife in New Zealand
    Social inequality has worsened over the past decade in New Zealand, a new study from Victoria University of Wellington shows....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Working towards a living wage and more Māori in paid work
    The Māori Party will build on the gains it has already achieved in Government and accelerate job opportunities particularly for young Māori....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Deepwater Group Supports Changes to Catch Limits
    The Deepwater Group says the increase in the Total Allowable Commercial Catch for hoki shows the benefits of a long term commitment to build biomass in this major New Zealand fishery....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Ohariu candidate Sean Fitzpatrick
    “Our Ohariu candidate will be Sean Fitzpatrick. Sean has strong ties to the region and I’m glad to hear he will be doing his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the area,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Tauranga candidate Stuart Pederson
    “Our Tauranga candidate will be Stuart Pedersen. Stuart has strong ties to Tauranga and I’m glad he has agreed to do his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the electorate,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party scores massive own goal
    Green Party scores massive own goal as their own policy auditor criticises their fiscal plan...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party’s own Auditor of their Budget finds it dodgy
    “The Alternative Budget released by the Green's does not even stack up in the eyes of their chosen auditor – Infometrics” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • “Bromance” Marriage Stunt Insulting Says LegaliseLove
    A promotional competition asking two best mates to get married in order to win an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup is insulting, marriage equality campaign LegaliseLove Aotearoa claims....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Cannabis Party first to register for 2014 General Election
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party became the first party to register for the 2014 General Election today, when it meet with the Electoral Commission in Wellington at Midday....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • PGA: Addresses NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today addressed a celebration to mark New Zealand’s imminent ratification of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which is expected within the next few weeks....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
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