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Open mike 06/11/2013

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195 comments on “Open mike 06/11/2013 ”

  1. Tracey 1

    Herald and nats gloating about john key betting 50 bucks on the melbourne cup yesterday then go on to say that joyce says no harm proved from sky city deal… herald and key showing a deep understanding of the issues then.

  2. Tiger Mountain 2

    So ‘backbuster’ Veitch returns to the ‘top’ of the stinking pile that is sports radio. Should people be given a second chance? I am all for the possibility of rehabilitation, except few get genuinely offered it in the NZ justice system. It is who you know for this misogynist.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11152047

    • amirite 2.1

      He has never shown remorse, only self-pity for ‘being hard done for’. A despicable, loathsome little turd.

    • millsy 2.2

      Well, “Veitchy” won’t have to worry about filling Deaker’s boots.

      According to “Deaks”, the reason why our sportspeople arent winning enough is because there are too many women teachers in our schools, and they dont keep score at netball matches, etc.

      • greywarbler 2.2.1

        I see a sportsperson dying in his 50’s. Husks of people is what some sports people have become as they get older. And people like Deaks and Veni, vidi, veitchy will sit in their boxes and pass judgment on the heaving masses below like Roman senators at the colosseum. Those who can do, those who can’t exercise their mouths.

        • Ennui 2.2.1.1

          Cant comment for Veitch. As for Deaker I applaud his decision to retire and congratulate him on the pleasure he has given lots of sports fans over the 20+ years of his weekly TV show. I watched his final appearance where he replayed his favourite interviews, it seemed to me he gave women equal time, interviewing to some great sports women like Devoy, Roe, Faumoina and others. It was a great show if you are a sports fan. So from me, thank you and go well Deaks.

          PS Could he do? He at-least tried, got to his level, and as a consequence had a good handle on his subject. And as a sports interviewer he succeeded admirably, check the ratings.

          • Morrissey 2.2.1.1.1

            Ennui, you must be joking. What you have written reminds me of the rubbish that was printed after “Sir” Paul Holmes died; i.e. you have either forgotten or are deliberately repressing what an offensive, racist, and just plain uninformed sports commentator Deaker was.

            Your bit about his treatment of women is extremely misleading, given the comments he made and encouraged on his show, and his defiant re-hiring of Boot-boy Veitch.

            I’m preparing a retrospective of “Deaks”, which I’ll have up in the next few days.

    • karol 2.3

      How much longer are we going to see these establishment guys defending, supporting and promoting guys who are rape culture role models?!!

      Veitch back on air; Radio Live defending Tamihere & Jackson (FFS, if the girls were under age it’s statutory rape, whether they were drinking or not! What’s wrong with those guys?!)

      And, as Martyn Bradbury posted, the police are quick to jump on the vigilantes, but not so quick to follow up the rape allegations.

      • Rogue Trooper 2.3.1

        yes, the Police have indicated that protection would be assigned to the ‘roasters’ if their safety was at risk.

      • Matthew 2.3.2

        Willie and JT are on the radio right now, trying to justify their disgusting interview yesterday.

        • Virginia Linton 2.3.2.1

          Can’t justify what is not justifiable. Tamihere is a misogynist … Labour should never let him back as an MP.

  3. Tracey 3

    I am for rehabilitation but there also need to be consequences. I am involved in sport as my business and change channels if he is on. Actually its when I reacquainted myself with nat radio.

  4. karol 4

    Coming up this week on Al Jazeera 101 East: The promo today talked about NZ’s very high prison stats, and that Maori are majorly over-represented in NZ prisons:

    101 East airs each week at the following times GMT: Thursday: 2230; Friday: 0930; Saturday: 0330; Sunday: 1630.

    The title: “Locked up Warriors” and the photo with it, indicates they are borrowing from the movie: “Once Were Warriors”.

    • Colonial Viper 4.1

      Too much of what our “Justice” system is doing to Maori and Pasifika under 30 just perpetuates the cycle of crime. The fact that Justice and Corrections are also being asked to try and compensate for the severe failings in our social-economy is also a crime in of itself.

  5. lprent 5

    minify was stopping the comments/opinions tab on the right on firefox. Turned off.

    • Rogue Trooper 5.1

      some sensitive moderation occurring Lynn

      • lprent 5.1.1

        I see that. However it appears to be pretty much targeting you. I’d advise resetting the router to pick up a different IP.

        • McFlock 5.1.1.1

          targeting you, as well as the Norts and Southers, Rogue 🙂

          • Rogue Trooper 5.1.1.1.1

            “When Rogue Trooper arrived at Fort Neuropa he discovered that everyone was suffering from “Siege Mentality” ( and neglecting their Robe-Runners…)” 😉

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1.1.1

              😎

              • Rogue Trooper

                well, what else can a Trooper do…

                • Colonial Viper

                  Avenge his buddies and find out the truth, of course 🙂

                  • Rogue Trooper

                    been thinking about Dunners…visited there a few times…bigger city, more scope for employment…interests…less heat…, lotsa’ hills though for a cyclist…and competition for work…sigh…still, it is being discussed. (coulda’ mailed you, but hey…Forgettaboutit! ) 😉

                    • Colonial Viper

                      It’s a nice spot and there are definitely opportunities down here, often niche but talent is always appreciated. I think this will be one of the renaissance cities of the 21st century 🙂

    • ghostrider888 5.2

      seems to be some hyper-sensitive moderation Captcha occurring this morning

      • lprent 5.2.1

        Ok. That is triggered from akismet. I removed one layer (cloudflare). But I also changed a few params on the conditional captcha so they’d go to moderation and I could have a look at them.

        (of course got to work and immediately ran out of time to look at them. Doing release work. *sigh*)

  6. more from russell brand:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/russell-brand-democratic-system-newsnight

    (excerpt:..)

    “..He more than any of us – is aware that politicians are frauds.

    I’ve not spent too much time around them – only on the telly –

    – it’s not pleasant;

    – once you’ve been on Question Time – and seen Boris simpering under a make-up brush –

    – it’s difficult to be enthusiastic about politics..”

    phillip ure..

    • Tiger Mountain 6.1

      nicely written if slightly overlong, will keep things fizzing with several references RB makes

  7. ghostrider888 7

    test, seems to be some hyper-sensitive moderation captcha occurring Lynn

  8. Tracey 9

    Nz looking bad in another oecd ranking… only ahead of greece for percentage of income required for accomodation…

    despite high employment disposable income below oecd average. That would be a fail under national standards.

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11152041

    Didnt john key say one of the reasons for his ecomic plan was so we dont end up like greece?

  9. ghostrider888 10

    well, we do have an abundance of ruined buildings…

  10. Rogue Trooper 11

    …to haunt us

  11. Tracey 12

    Millsy

    I was so pleased to see deaker finally go imagine my horror at his replacement. It wasnt a well kept secret. As soon as I heard veitch was on saturday I knew what was coming…

    and people wonder why ewe have young men trashing on girls and women. None so blind as those who will not see.

    • Draco T Bastard 13.1

      Good write up of that over at No Right Turn:

      And lest anyone think we’re immune: we have exactly the same definition of terrorism here, and a penalty of life imprisonment for committing a “terrorist act”.

      So the exact same thing can happen here.

  12. Galeandra 14

    Have just read today’s Bowalley Road post on KiwiAssure in which Chris Trotter argues that caucus is still wobbly.

    Two salient quotes-

    ” In David Cunliffe Labour now has a leader who is willing to be as radical as his party. Significantly, it is the third leg of the tripod – the Labour Caucus – which is visibly wobbling. The KiwiAssure policy is a worrying case in point. Radical in intent, radical in expression, but disappointingly conservative in execution”

    “At the conference just concluded a distressingly large number of Labour MPs put on a display of childish pique that bodes very ill for the party’s future.”

    • Rogue Trooper 14.1

      childishness displayed on both sides of the House.

    • weka 14.2

      “but disappointingly conservative in execution”

      Example?

      • Galeandra 14.2.1

        Weka, Trotter’s ‘ example’ (?) is a brief critique of the policy around KiwiAssure, and is not too different from some mainstream commentary I’ve read: a quote to save you reading it for yourself 🙁

        “the average Labour supporter might well object: “What on earth is the point of a state-owned insurance company that will, in every respect that matters, be indistinguishable from its private sector competitors?”

        Given the fate of AMI, that same voter might also ask what would motivate the ordinary Kiwi family to put its faith (not to mention its future financial security) in a state-owned insurer that not even its own creator is willing to stand behind?…”

        • Colonial Viper 14.2.1.1

          yep. I wrote similar yesterday. If KiwiAssure relies on the same foreign re-insurers as today’s crop of insurance companies does, and not the sovereign balance sheet and money creation potential of the Crown, then its unfortunately not much more than a front shop being set up.

          The NZ Herald editorial on the subject has it 80% right I think.

          • Lanthanide 14.2.1.1.1

            Yeah. It really skewers the (I thought perfect) example I came up with for why a state insurer would be better than the private ones: people in CHCH are stuck in a fight over liability between the insurers and EQC, where state-owned insurer could just pay the money and do the paperwork later. But if actually the state-owned insurer is just the same as a private one, that potential benefit vanishes.

    • Draco T Bastard 14.3

      Two Out Of Three Ain’t Enough

      And, yeah, it’s a good column. Labour, despite their new leader and the enthusiasm of its membership ain’t yet the radical party it needs to become.

  13. chrissy 15

    Heard key telling Cunliffe that he could be needing life insurance himself at some time. Sounded like a threat to me.

  14. Red Horse 16

    I’m looking forward to Labour crushing Trademe too. The fees are too high and it’s just a giant corporate only worried about its shareholders. I’m sure everyone will switch to KiwiTrade to keep them honest.

    Same goes with Xero. A billion dollar company once again only pleasing shareholders. KiwiAccounts is another great business Labour could get in to.

    Come to mention it, McDonalds is just taking all it’s money overseas. KiwiBurger is something real everyday New Zealanders could afford!

  15. ianmac 17

    On Campbell Live last night John had an interview with Steven Joyce Re the failing film industry. After the frenetic Simon Bridges and ditto John Key I was surprised that Mr Joyce seemed to listen to the questions (rather long) and answer in reasonably concise manner. Sounded reasonable even though I have a prejudice against the smug Joyce but….

    • Rogue Trooper 17.1

      ahhhh yes, Mr Joyce, unable to transfer the subsidies to Warner Bros. to the small end of the film-making industry, yet bending over backwards to the extraction industries, surveys, legislation…
      Must think we have cloth for ears and buttons for eyes.

    • joyce..like collins..is in full campaign mode..

      ..to be the successor to key..

      ..and as such..like collins..both having been in full sneer-mode for five long years..

      ..have both now taken on the sysiphian-task/are making that giant leap ..

      ..to appear to be human..

      ..i find joyce trying to be ‘nice’ decidedly oleaginous in nature/result/outcome..

      ..whereas collins flashing her thin-lipped smile/grimace..

      ..is just downright scary..

      ..(and has been known to make dogs howl/hens stop laying….)

      phillip ure..

  16. captain hook 18

    see the dompost this a.m. for a letter saying that finning sharks is sustainable.
    I dont think so but hey.
    prove me wrong.

  17. Rogue Trooper 19

    soo Nick Smith on Midday Report is claiming New Zealand import more building materials to address the 30% premium on price New Zealand sourced-materials have over Australian equivalents, and, wait for it, …. for builders to advise customers of kickbacks (rebates) they have received from suppliers. Good Oh, (builders not too chuffed, as rebates relate to bulk supplies not individual specs, and equivalent to sales incentives in other industries and professions ). Will physicians, hairdressers and panel-beaters be required to do the same in the future, in a Totalitarian state near you.

    postscript- And the Conservatory missing from the plans? Fletchers.

    • KJT 19.1

      Doesn’t explain why NZ ‘sourced’ building materials are 2/3 the price in Australia.

      Maybe we should just re-import NZ building materials from OZ.

      • Colonial Viper 19.1.1

        Ah. Whoops.

      • KJT 19.1.2

        Or. We can just borrow more to buy more short lived poor quality crap from China.
        Then borrow more again in ten years to replace and repair it as we repeat the leaky building saga.

        And replace our builders with dodgy cheap untrained foreigners. Oop’s we do that already as most of the good tradesmen have gone to Australia where they get paid. Instead of being limited to peanuts an hour by Fletchers stranglehold on Christchurch..

        If you really want to know why building is expensive here, look at the middlemen.

        Ask why it costs less to build a house in Oz even though builders earn twice as much.

        • Colonial Viper 19.1.2.1

          China will be happy to lend us the money to buy more of their short lived poor quality crap. A happy money go round, as we exhaust our world’s resources on throwaway materials.

  18. Red Horse 20

    Something new from Labour :

    KiwiKai

    It will replace all these nasty multinationals who are poisoning us with their terrible food and taking all the money overseas.

    KiwiKai will serve delicious meals approved by every health board, lobby group in the country. Delicious.

    Labour will spend 14 million dollars building a website where people can see the menu. Another 9 million on developing fun apps for the iphone and Android ecosystem. Kids will be able to log in and play awesome games that shows them how healthy their dinner will be.

    To order, kiwis will just need to file a form 36 working days before they want their awesome takeaways. Orders will be delivered using public transport only.

    KiwiKai – keeping kiwi families healthy.

    • bad12 20.1

      Can someone get rid of this F**king TR0LL, it’s fruitloop comments have become less than the height of stupidity…

      • fender 20.1.1

        LOL, don’t worry about a red horse that has obviously kicked itself in the head. It’s clearly lost it’s rider but I’m sure Key will wager a cool 50 bucks on it…

      • Draco T Bastard 20.1.2

        +1

    • the pigman 20.2

      Is this your 3rd form English political satire project?

      C- (and it’s off to the knacker’s yard with you!)

    • KJT 20.3

      Bloody good idea. Kick McD’s and their disgusting food and employment practices into touch. Ha Ha.

  19. Tracey 21

    Is it dead yet? Can we flog it?

  20. CeeH 22

    This is an ad that has been circulating through social media. Alarming!

    http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/national-1972-%E2%80%9Cnigger%E2%80%9D-campaign-ad-clearly-implausible-%E2%80%93-but-where-did-it-come-from/

    Ever wondered why the labour party is so loudly opposed to apartheid?
    Ever wondered why lazy good for nothing maoris and islanders are defended by the labour party?
    Ever wondered why the labour party want more Kenyan wogs let into the country?
    Ever wondered why the labour party side with the viet cong?
    – because they’re soft on niggers
    – of any colour – black niggers – brown niggers – yellow niggers
    You name it and Norm Kirk will be prostrating himself before them?
    Vote National the white man’s party!

  21. Puckish Rogue 23

    “Cunliffe called Key the “Kiwi-spoiler,” someone who had beaten up on Kiwbank when it first started, KiwiSaver, KiwiRail and now KiwiAssure.

    Key responded on KiwiBank. Yes it was a good little business.

    “I might point out though this it has taken $860 million of taxpayers’ money and it has never paid a dividend in 10 years.”

    He challenged Cunliffe to name another bank operating in New Zealand that had an insurance company, and offered insurance on the same property they were lending on.

    “They do not do that.”

    Cunliffe: “Is he aware that ASB Bank own Tower Insurance? If he is, why is he asking such a stupid question.”

    Within minutes of Cunliffe’s comment, National’s research unit – or perhaps a few friends in the insurance industry – had got the message to Key that Cunliffe was wrong.

    ASB did not own Tower. They sent the list of owners. Key tried to read through the list.

    Eventually Labour’s deputy, David Parker, and possibly the source of his leader’s error, did the honourable thing and acknowledged the error by asking Key: “Has he received any advice that ASB in fact own Sovereign Assurance?”

    Key: “Yes it does own Sovereign and let us get to the better bit…Sovereign provides life insurance, and the way [Cunliffe] is going, he will need life insurance.”

    D’oh!

    • Colonial Viper 23.1

      Ouch, that’s bad…

      • Rogue Trooper 23.1.1

        if it was not for the reality that Brownlee and Key had to hold up proceedings and bully the speaker to achieve their pyrrhic victory; really PR, is that all you have today, are we to go to bed hungry without any supper?

    • Francis 23.2

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t KiwiBank been making a profit for the last few years? My understanding was that it’s profits have been helping to prop up NZ Post (which should have always remained a Government department, and certainly should never have had unfair competition forced upon it, whereby it is at a disadvantage because it has statutory social obligations).

      Besides that, there’s more to government than making a profit. One of the main purpose of KiwiBank was to introduce government-owned competition into the market to drive down unnecessary fees – something which it has achieved well.

  22. aerobubble 24

    Labour policy- the man ban is merely following Key’s own policy of closely stacking front bench parliamentary seats with women, while banning men to the back and sides. Abbotts man ban policy is significantly problematic as it conflicts with his single woman policy.

  23. greywarbler 25

    The Bruce Jesson talk is on line. Do other people know how to make it easily available.
    I haven’t tried but with my expertise I will probably not succeed.

  24. Morrissey 27

    “A little bit insipid….”
    Godawful new Hobbit song fails to impress as Panel plumbs new low

    The Panel, Radio NZ National, Wednesday 6 November 2013
    Paul Brennan, Joe Bennett, Ellen Read

    Long-suffering listeners to The Panel have been assailed by some utterly disgusting, insultingly shallow and banal aural dreck over the last eight years. Just off the top of my head, I recall the cruel laughter directed by the likes of Chris Trotter at victims of state repression; the mad anti-democracy rants by Michelle Boag; the snarling attempts at character assassination by Dr Michael “Bonkers” Bassett; the honking hypocrisy of lawyer and former ACT MP Stephen Franks, a spokesman for the knife-loving S.S. Trust, lecturing in tones of heightened gravitas about modern “wickedness”; the halfwitted observations of Nevil “Breivik” Gibson; the insane raving of Christine (Spankin’) Rankin; and the haughty denunciation of “these people” (Egyptians) by Rosemary McLeod.

    But, even bearing in mind all of that depravity and mediocrity, I believe that the nadir was reached at 4:45 this afternoon. For some reason, producer Susan Balducci saw fit to play thirty seconds of “I See Fire”, a dire, plodding, tuneless dirge by Ed Sheeran, written for the latest New Zealand taxpayer-funded Peter Jackson snore-fest The Desolation of Smaug. After what seemed like thirty MINUTES of sub-Chris Rea pap, there was an uneasy silence in the studio. Realising that he was expected to say something vaguely supportive about the dog, Joe Bennett showed uncharacteristic restraint and said: “It’s not to my taste.” Not even Ellen Read, who is a diehard supporter of the dodgy deal foisted on the National Government by Warner Bros. that has led to such truly terrible “product”, could work herself up into defending this one. After an uncomfortable pause, she delivered her verdict: “It’s a little bit insipid.”

    Susan Baldacci, a little taken aback by the lack of respect for this piece of shit, lamely explained that Sheeran had written the dirge for the end credits—“which is not where they’re going to play a real rocker”. She got no support from Paul Brennan, obviously as appalled as Bennett and Read.
    ———————-
    If, like me, you’ve been of the opinion for the last decade or so that the song Céline Dion sang for Titanic was the worst in the history of the movies, then you may change your mind after you click on THIS….
    http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/05/listen-to-ed-sheerans-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-song-i-see-fire-4175112/

  25. chris73 28

    – Paula Bennet telling it like it is

  26. Morrissey 29

    “Telling it like it is.” Chris, your loyalty is of the same order as that desperately mugging Hamilton West MP behind Bennett—unstinting and clearly uncritical.

    Since you obviously respect her, or pretend to at least, maybe you should tell her that every time she says something cruel or dishonest, she puts on another kilogram.

    • chris73 29.1

      Its amusing how quickly the left descend to personal attacks when they hear something they don’t like so are you saying theres something wrong with being overweight? That if shes overweight she can’t do her job?

      You can attack her policies, her views etc etc but attacking her over her weight is a bit, well desperate really

      Women have enough hurdles to overcome (especially in politics) without people like you expecting them to live up to some (probably impossible) body image

      • felix 29.1.1

        I’ll trust you not to take Morrissey as speaking for anyone but his deluded self.

        • Morrissey 29.1.1.1

          I’ll trust you not to take Morrissey as speaking for anyone but his deluded self.

          “Deluded”? How so? You’d better explain carefully and clearly why you’re suddenly in Camp Bennett, so as to dispel the impression that you are irresponsible and lazy.

          • felix 29.1.1.1.1

            Piss off Morrissey you twisted fuck.

          • McFlock 29.1.1.1.2

            “Thinking Morrisseey is a deluded fuckwit” does not equal “Supporting Paula Bennett”.
            Believing those two statements to be equal is to be deluded.

            Was that explanation clear enough?

            • Morrissey 29.1.1.1.2.1

              “Thinking Morrisseey [sic] is a deluded fuckwit” does not equal “Supporting Paula Bennett”. Believing those two statements to be equal is to be deluded.

              Was that explanation clear enough?

              No it was not good enough, as I’m sure you knew perfectly well as you sent that ill-advised, illogical message of support for our struggling friend into the blogosphere. You foolishly decided to back a surefire loser by coming in behind felix’s indolent exercise in abuse. I advise you to desist from this path, my flocculent friend; we all know you never prosper in these exchanges.

                • Morrissey

                  Indeed.

                  Cancel that nasty message I posted about you being untrustworthy; your gracious admission of defeat shows you are indeed the gallant we always suspected you were.

                  🙄

                  • wtl

                    I’d watch out if I was you, your comment is getting awfully close to saying you *wned someone, which is something that lprent highly frowns upon.

                    • Lanthanide

                      If it were up to me, Morrissey would’ve been banned months ago.

                    • lprent

                      Close, but not quite there. Not like this one from my work field where someone traced a vessel course with the word below…

                      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24586394

                    • Morrissey

                      your comment is getting awfully close to saying you *wned someone…

                      This is very awkward. I receive a gracious concession by my friend and occasional adversary felix. I try to behave like a gentleman, and acknowledge his good manners—and I find I’ve blundered into another minefield.

                      Lower down this thread, two more people have coyly rolled their eyes in the submission posture; I have also politely saluted their good manners. Could you explain how that makes me the one in the wrong here?

                    • lprent

                      It is pretty simple. Claiming victory in an environment where the best that can be hoped for is “..agree to disagree..” merely starts flamewars of the na-nah-de-dah type that are so common when you listen to the playgrounds of primary schools. One side claims “victory” / “owns” / “pwned” and resolutely holds to that. The other sides pour derision. And it escalates….

                      Eventually I have to wander to crack heads as the shrill screaming of the children disturbs the adults and they start to defend their offspring..In fact school sports matches often descend into this.

                      I find that grabbing the first person to claim victory and exiling them for some time works wonders at reducing my workload. Which is of course my primary motivation. My secondary is that I don’t have to read the boring squealing.

                      So argue all that you like. But to try to claim victory without a very explicit statement from the other person (something that I see maybe 5 times a year here) and you will find this is a very dangerous business. Start gloating and (as you say it) you find the site becomes a minefield…

              • McFlock

                Was that explanation clear enough?

                No it was not good enough

                Your answer is irrelevant to the question.

                You really are in a wee universe all to yourself.

                ‘The Breen Delusion’. Heh, catchy.

        • chris73 29.1.1.2

          I know, I’m probably on his list now… 🙂

      • MrSmith 29.1.2

        But Chris I bet all those staving beneficiaries are finding it hard to take instruction from someone who can’t even control how much she puts in her mouth.

      • Morrissey 29.2.1

        Thanks for the support, mon amie. Call me a susceptible ninny, but I’m always chuffed when a woman rolls her eyes coyly like that.

  27. Treetop 30

    TV3 are doing a proper job regarding exposing how inadequate the police have been regarding their management of the gang of young thugs.

    I missed the first minute of the news, what I heard was enough.

    What a brave person she is to have spoken out about making a complaint two years ago.

    • chris73 30.1

      I support the police and believe that most of the police force are good people wanting to help and do the right thing

      On this though the ball was dropped badly and I’d support an inquiry to see why it was so badly run and to make sure it didn’t happen in the future

      • Rogue Trooper 30.1.1

        and The Vote found the confidence of New Zealanders in their police force to have…
        (clue: it is not risen…We all know who that concerns!).

      • Treetop 30.1.2

        I cannot support a service when they are incapable of stringing facts together to prevent people from being dismissed when a serious crime has occurred.

        Is there something wrong in NZ in how those who investigate rape are being trained and supervised?

      • felix 30.1.3

        “On this though the ball was dropped badly”

        Nah, not dropped. Handed off. Or kicked for touch, perhaps.

    • Anne 30.2

      But out of respect for the victim and her family Police are unable to discuss this particular situation any further, however the victim’s complaint is still part of the continuing investigation and should new supporting evidence come to light as part of the ongoing enquiry , the decision in this case not to prosecute will be reviewed.

      I was about to say unbelievable. But it’s not…

      http://www.3news.co.nz/Roast-Busters-victim-asked-to-re-enact-alleged-rape/tabid/423/articleID/320311/Default.aspx#.UnnT1CehsiI

      • felix 30.2.1

        So everything the police have said this week is a lie. Not wrong, not mistaken, an out and out lie.

        1. A 13 year old laid a complaint of rape in 2011.

        2. The Police said there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

        3. The Police began monitoring the accused on facebook.

        4. The accused admitted to the victim, on facebook, that everything she said was 100% true.

        5. The Police say they don’t have enough evidence to prosecute.

        6. The Police say no one has been brave enough to come forward.

        • marty mars 30.2.1.1

          + 1 Yep all a big lie from start to finish – the lying fucks – meanwhile how many young women and girls have suffered because of our police? How many? Fucken bastards those police that sat on this shit.

          • weka 30.2.1.1.1

            Hard not to be thinking about Louise Nicholas at this point. Both because of the culture within in the NZ Police that she exposed (the word misogynistic seems entired inadequate), and because of the amount of work she did to change rape culture in NZ. The difference in dialogue now compared to then is huge.

            Fuck the police.

            I’m in the wrong part of the country for this, but I wish someone would organise a national day of action and solidarity. Can’t help but feel there is an opportunity here to make some real change.

            • marty mars 30.2.1.1.1.1

              Good idea weka about the day of action – hard to organise from Mohua but we will be marching on that day for sure. I have the utmost respect and admiration for Louise Nicholas – she is a hero in my eyes. I hope things change – but I am feeling rage at the moment, rage that the police whom we entrust have let those young women and girls down so badly. I expect deeper and worse revelations on this one.

            • karol 30.2.1.1.1.2

              (i’m logged in – why am I being asked to log in to comment?)

              Weka, a day of action has been organised.

              23 November

              On various localised Facebook pages. I did tweet @SlutWalknz asking if it was being publicised anywhere other than Facebook.

              Haven’t had a reply.

          • North 30.2.1.1.2

            There’s one already jailed for hiding police rape. Dewar. Probably paroled by now. Living quite nicely on a handsome super somewhere like Little Waihi or Wanaka.

            Like the one who proved to be Teina Poara’s evil angel.

            “Would it help if I pointed a house out Teina…….?”

    • BM 30.3

      I do find the trial by media a bit of a concern.

      Buoyed by this weeks events and ratings, I do wonder who Media works is going to set their sights on next.

      • Treetop 30.3.1

        If no one has crossed the line or proven to have not done a proper investigation there is nothing for them to worry about.

      • Pascal's bookie 30.3.2

        We could have a trial by judges if the fucking useless police did their fucking jobs.

        But they don’t seem to want to when it comes to rape for some reason, so trial by media it is, until the fucking police, start to do, their fucking job.

  28. Rhinocrates 31

    Just when you thought that it couldn’t get any worse, it gets worse.

    It turns out that the pigs knew all along:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9367982/Rape-complaint-after-Roast-Busters-teen-says

    But of course one was the son of a pig and another the son of a celebrity.

    In case you didn’t know, this is proof of endemic corruption.

    I’m probably insulting those of the bacon-flavoured kind, aren’t I?

    • the pigman 31.1

      Porcine references-wise, pigs get a bad rap. Cops, on the other hand, are often assholes. I think Anne’s link above is really the coup de grace. Asking the 13 y/o to re-enact with mannequins? Oyy… nk

      Anyway, as far as I see it, at least as the 13 y/o complainant is concerned, they don’t need much beyond the act of penetration and the admission of having done so by 1 or more of these guys to secure a conviction for sexual conduct with someone under the age of 16. Of course, if these videos that were posted online actually do exist, they would assist the evidential matrix.

      No doubt the boys will be lawyered up with the likes of Paul Mabey QC and whoever the spiritual successor to John Haigh is pretty quickly, and various girls involved will end up being subject to a lengthy defended hearing or hearings and humiliating cross-examination. Maybe just me but perhaps some sort of ADR might be more fruitful for the girls and their families?

    • BM 31.2

      The pigs?, Man of your age, that’s just sad, fool.

      • Rhinocrates 31.2.1

        You’re right, Bowel Movement – likening pigs to police is grossly unfair to pigs.

        • BM 31.2.1.1

          What ever arse wipe, the only one around here who’d be acting like a pig would be you,squealing away while your socialist mates root you up the jacksey.

          • Rhinocrates 31.2.1.1.1

            Ooh, homophobia. How witty. Now how about content please?

          • Rhinocrates 31.2.1.1.2

            Oh come on BM, kissy kissy, mwah mwah! Try harder!

            • BM 31.2.1.1.2.1

              Come on bud whats with this pigs shit.
              The vast majority of people gave that wankery up once they hit their 20’s, what are you 50+?, to be carry on like some teenager is pretty fucking tragic.

              • Rhinocrates

                to be carry on like some teenager is pretty fucking tragic.

                Indeed – I couldn’t have said it better myself. Well, actually I could, with better grammar.

                You don’t get it, do you, BM? You think that you’re a troll, but you’re a toy. Keep posting please.

              • fender

                BM objects to calling cops pigs, but just yesterday he makes this racist statement . Get off your high horse BM…

                • Rhinocrates

                  Hi Fender, somehow I don’t think that BM’s limited set of intellectual skills includes self-awareness or consistency. Still, as a toy, he’s fun to play with.

                  • fender

                    He’s gone rather quiet, guess he’s changing his engine mounts again…

                    Pity the heads’ cracked….

                    • Rhinocrates

                      Well, that’s a bit disappointing. I may be a pointy-headed intellectual, but I do like my childish pleasures now and again.

                      I guess it’s off to bed then. G’night to you.

              • Rhinocrates

                You’re ugly and your mother dresses you funny. There, let’s be done with it. It’s about as relevant, after all.

          • Rhinocrates 31.2.1.1.3

            Bloody typical – makes the overture and then won’t follow through.

      • Murray Olsen 31.2.2

        I call them ngati poaka. How sad is that?

        The hillbillies in Deliverance were all registered Republicans.

  29. Rhinocrates 32

    How about this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/207530/Hales-looked-at-second-police-file

    Familiar name?

    Looks like the blue slime don’t learn and continue to look after their own.

  30. North 33

    World’s Worst-Chosen Words Award – Mayor of Toronto talking to reporters: “I want to make it crystal clear………..”

  31. Defending our lawful rights to ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local government:

    I have been granted ‘speaking rights’ at the ‘ public input section of the 7 November Governing Body meeting commencing at 10.00am in the Reception Lounge, Auckland Town Hall’.

    ” You will be allocated five minutes in total to speak on the following subjects:

    · The apparent lack of ‘due diligence’, failure to address the increased risk of money-laundering in the Auckland Council submission on the International Convention Centre Bill.

    · Potential consequences if Auckland Council fails to uphold the RULE OF LAW regarding the statutory requirement under the Public Records Act 2005 s.17.

    · Perceived ‘conflicts of interest’ in the ‘inquiry’ into the conduct of Mayor Len Brown.”

    _____________________________________________________________________________

    My request for speaking rights:

    4 November 2013

    ‘Open Letter’ request for speaking rights at the Auckland Council Governing Body meeting to be held on Thursday 7 November 2013 at 10am at the Reception Lounge, Auckland Town Hall:

    Good afternoon …….,

    I would like to address the Auckland Council Governing Body meeting to be held on Thursday 7 November 2013, at 10am at the Auckland Town Hall, in ‘Public forum’.

    My subject matter will be:

    1) The apparent lack of ‘due diligence’, failure to address the increased risk of money-laundering in the Auckland Council submission on the International Convention Centre Bill, as outlined in the following Regulatory Impact Statement:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

    2) Potential consequences if Auckland Council fails to uphold the RULE OF LAW regarding the statutory requirement under the Public Records Act 2005 s.17

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

    Recordkeeping requirements
    Subpart 1—Key duties

    17 Requirement to create and maintain records

    (1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

    (2) Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.

    (3) Every local authority must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all protected records that are in its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act.

    3) Perceived ‘conflicts of interest’ in the ‘inquiry’ into the conduct of Mayor Len Brown.

    ie: The fact that Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, Ernst and Young and Nigel Morrison (CEO of Sky City) are all members of the unelected, very powerful private lobby group – the Committee for Auckland, who arguably are not unhappy with the performance of Mayor Len Brown.

    http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz membership

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

  32. idlegus 35

    “Based on information revealed tonight on the way underage sexual violation case has been handled, we will be referring it to the IPCA.” – Jacinda Ardern.

    • Murray Olsen 35.1

      I half expect them to say that only police actions can be complained about, and they didn’t take any in this case. As far as not treating the case any differently because one of their sons was involved – how would they have acted if one of the 13 year old girls was one of their daughters?

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