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Open mike 07/09/2022

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  1. Sabine 1

    oh well…….i guess someone will send an apology to the Non-Penishavers that were slandered as gang bangers and prostitutes’ and drug runners. In fact, it was WINZ that fucked up.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-outbreak-blunder-in-wellington-let-women-into-northland-and-shut-the-region-for-11-days/D3OIYTFMDOSWGRYBTHFO2VY7JQ/

    A blunder by a government worker sent Northland into an 11-day lockdown after travel documents that were meant to be declined were mistakenly approved.

    The case of three women who travelled from Auckland to Northland hit headlines in October 2021 in the midst of a Delta outbreak – but new documents released under the Official Information Act finally outline the truth behind the saga, and the reason Northland was put into lockdown.

    The OIA papers show the women – who had earlier been blamed for using "false information" to get travel permits – had no links to gangs and weren't sex workers, as had been suggested.

    Among the documents released is a summary of a police investigation into the women which found "no offence" and no "deception" in obtaining the travel documents.

    Detective Inspector Aaron Proctor's summary of "Operation Hiking" quoted an email from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment which said the travel documents were "issued in error by the Ministry of Social Development, (the error not being the fault of the applicant)".

    Another document showed it was known three days before the 11-day lockdown was announced on October 8 that human error was behind the travel documents being granted to the women.

    snip……..
    Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni said she was briefed at the time.

    “I understand that the information contained in the application wouldn’t have met the criteria at the time and it was approved in error.

    “I’ve spoken to MSD officials who are very sorry this occurred. Overall MSD staff assessing business travel register applications for travel across borders during lockdown did a great job, and while this incident was an isolated one, it should not have happened.”

    How many more of these stories will come out?

    And again, the point is not the lock down. The point is that these people were vilified, slandered, defamed, and in part by a government that could not admit to the public that a Winz Drone provided travel documents by mistake – the Winz Drone mistake.

    And dear Carmel Sepuloni, YOU should apologize on behalf of your ministry to these People that were slandered and vilified in public by government employees, the press and the public .

    • Jimmy 1.1

      Another day, another fuck up comes to light. No wonder they do not want an enquiry in to the Covid response.

      • Bearded Git 1.1.1

        Another day another old story dug up to attack Labour with even though it wasn't their fault on the information available at the time.

    • Anne 1.2

      To be fair, Sepuloni was briefed at the time but she may not have been told of the "blunder" by the Social Welfare ministry worker. That information appears to have come to light further down the track.

      Even so, I agree Sepuloni needs to formally apologise to the young women concerned. They must be deeply scarred by the experience. They will have to carry the ignominy of being charged by public opinion as gang related prostitutes which is effectively what happened. Racism was also up there from the start.

      Believe me, sweeping embarrassing situations under metaphorical carpets is par for the course when it comes to some government agencies. It has been going on for decades. The plight of the unsuspecting victim or victims is not considered to be of any consequence. Indeed they often are – or were – bullied into silence.

      I hope those young women receive compensation for what they've been through.

    • Stephen D 1.3

      I may be wrong, but I don’t remember any Govt spokesperson calling out the women for their reasons heading north.
      A citation would be useful.

    • weka 1.4

      I'd also like to know how they were accused of fraud, having gang connections and being prostitutes. Where did that come from?

      • Sabine 1.4.1

        From the article linked in my above comment.

        The women were publicly vilified for crossing the border with then Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins accusing them of using "false information to travel across the border".

        The case also saw reporters quizzing Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern over whether the women were prostitutes and former Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters was forced to apologise for falsely claiming the pair were helped by Hawke's Bay-based Mongrel Mob leader Harry Tam.

        The police inquiry summary said: "The police investigation found no evidence to suggest that (the women) had any connection to Harry Tam, the Mongrel Mob or were involved in prostitution."

        this might be a better article on this issue as it is not behind pay wall.

        https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/covid-19-outbreak-blunder-in-wellington-let-women-into-northland-and-shut-the-region-for-11-days/

        • Stephen D 1.4.1.1

          So Winston was shit stirring. But he isn’t and wasn’t a member of the Govt.

          • Sabine 1.4.1.1.1

            Yes, he was.

            And Hipkins accused them of fraud.

            So that was some shitstirring too considering it was a Winz Drone that got it wrong. But then its easy to accuse beneficiaries of fraud as that always provides a nice scapegoat behind the short comings of highly paid public servants can be hidden.

            • Incognito 1.4.1.1.1.1

              You’re shit stirring yourself, as you have no idea how much the person is or was paid who made the error. It is utterly irrelevant anyway.

            • Stephen D 1.4.1.1.1.2

              The election was at the end of 2020. All this happened in October 2021. Winston was long gone from Govt.

          • Louis 1.4.1.1.2

            yes Stephen D

      • Sabine 1.4.2

        government response here

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/chris-hipkins-defends-northland-lockdown-amid-calls-for-responsibility-over-govt-blunder/4LOTIORD7EGBRDETVUW3JR5P3I/

        Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern referred questions on the Government blunder that sent Northland into an 11-day lockdown to former Covid Minister Chris Hipkins.

        New documents released under the Official Information Act have revealed the truth about the highly publicised case of three women who travelled from Auckland to Northland in October 2021 in the midst of a Delta outbreak, putting Northland into an alert level 3 lockdown.

        The OIA papers show the women – who had earlier been blamed for using "false information" to get travel permits – had no links to gangs and weren't sex workers, as had been suggested, and their permit had been approved in error.

        Hipkins claimed there was nothing new in today's reporting as the error that led to the Northland lockdown in October last year was made public.

        • Anne 1.4.2.1

          So, Sabine you are happy for the government's opponents including the right wing media to milk the inquiry findings in order to create the perception that it was…

          all this evil government's fault n' the ministers are to blame n' we hate em so's we're going to trash em for all they're worth and forget the two women at the centre cos they don't count.

          You are doing exactly what AB @1.2.1 notes should not happen:

          … criticising Labour from the left that gives succour and support to the right-wing Jimmies (1.1) who will leverage it to discredit…

          I wrote a comment initially in support of your stand, but of you think the above tactic is going to be helpful to the young women concerned then you are wrong.

        • Louis 1.4.2.2

          The following backs Hipkins

          "The claims, along with other allegations about the woman, have been widely circulated on social media, text and email but have not been confirmed by officials or the Government.

          The Ministry of Health has not commented on the claims and Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins told a hastily arranged press conference last night that he did not have information to suggest the woman was connected to a gang.

          A reporter at the press conference said they had been told the woman is a sex worker but Hipkins said he could not confirm that – he had not been briefed that was the case"

          'Winston Peters' TV claims – woman at centre of Northland scare 'connected to Mongrel Mob'

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-winston-peters-tv-claims-woman-at-centre-of-northland-scare-connected-to-mongrel-mob/IUAPS4YERU4NNAPSCI2YOCLWVM/

          • Anne 1.4.2.2.1

            However, locations of interest were limited to two service stations as the woman had been "uncooperative" with authorities in determining her movements in the region, according to Hipkins.

            Of course they were uncooperative. They were scared witless. The authorities were intimidating in their attitude and they ran away and hid.

            I don't blame Hipkins. He couldn't possibly have known exactly what was going on. He was repeating what he had been told. Everyone assumed they were guilty and when a bunch of arseholes are spreading false stories via social media and a former deputy leader repeats them as being for real, then it is only going to make matters worse.

            I can understand why these two women seem to think it was the government's fault, but the real culprits were a) the ministry for attempting to play down the error and b) the social media 'bottom feeders’ along with Winston Peters who picked up the crap and ran with them.

            Even though we now know Govt. ministers were not to blame, I hope they will still offer them a full apology on behalf of those who were responsible for their plight.

            • gsays 1.4.2.2.1.1

              Anne, given any thought to the question I asked you on Open Mike 31/7/22?

              • Anne

                Wouldn't have a clue what you asked me on the 31st.

                • gsays

                  "

                  …. a Health Minister repeatedly getting offside with the workforce while trying to reform (rebrand) the system.

                  Uggh? The other way round imo."

                  Do you mind expanding a little on that Anne?

                  My reckons have it health staff have gone above and beyond the last 8 or so years and in particular the last 33 months, especially front line staff.

                  • Anne

                    Sorry can't answer because it is not in the context of whatever the conversation was about. One thing I can say: it was NOT referring to front line health staff. What I have witnessed – including a few days in hospital earlier this year – they have gone above and beyond. All of them deserve gongs.

    • Peter 1.5

      I want to know who was vilified, slandered, defamed. Can you give me their names so I won't vilify, slander and defame them?

      Does anyone know what Chris Bishop said about them at the time?

    • gsays 1.6

      This reminds me if what Celia Lashlie wrote about in reference to people (usually mothers) who become involved with state agencies.

      The individual is closely held to account and made responsible for every transgression or omission, and yet, MSD, WINZ, Police, IRD etc can be incorrect. Often leading to dire consequences for the people at the bottom of the heap and never be held to the same scrutiny.

      Violence always goes down a hierarchy.

      • Anne 1.6.1

        Totally agree. Have witnessed it happen to others and have also been on the receiving end. For decades there was a left/right divide too. If you were on the 'right' then a blind eye was turned on your transgressions. If you were 'left' then the lights were shone on your every move.

  2. PsyclingLeft.Always 2

    The increase since the end of the last ice age has been so fast that on this time scale, it looks practically instantaneous.

    Methane had its largest annual increase, and nitrous oxide its third largest.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/473949/most-c02-in-atmosphere-in-nearly-a-million-years

    Greenhouse gas emissions fell during lockdowns – Stats NZ

    Household emissions fell in most regions of New Zealand between 2019 and 2021, the result less use of transport during Covid-19 restrictions, Stats NZ says

    Where did emissions increase the most?

    Stats NZ said the Canterbury increase was largely from agriculture, forestry, and fishing (up 6.5 percent), and most significantly because the number of dairy cattle had increased.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/474247/greenhouse-gas-emissions-fell-during-lockdowns-stats-nz

    First Link.CO2 increase bad enough..but the Methane and NO2 increase are a clear danger.

    Second Link. Well….not too hard to see that reduced cars on roads….(often stuck in jams) would lead to less polluting gases. Sad that ..as lockdowns ended people just reverted back. Even with huge fuel increases….

    And the Dairy cattle. Not going to end until…

    https://www.renews.co.nz/series/milk-and-money-the-true-cost-of-dairy-in-aotearoa/

    • DB Brown 2.1

      They simply can't imagine a world without power cows and oil.

      • Sabine 2.1.1

        Why the fuck should we be having more rights to existance then cows? What other animal could we cull in order to save our overconsuming, lazy asses? Horses? Pigs? Dogs? Hedgehogs? Squirrels? Buffalo? Crickets? Bees? Flying insects (mind we done a good job here already).

        The problem really is that most humans can't imagine a world in which they don't have electricity to squander, they don't have supermarket full of shit that is not good for their bodies but nicely packaged, that they don't be able to pull a boat/bikes/gadgets from the North Island to the south Island for some biking on some new track in some nice natural parks for leisure and so on and so forth.

        Maybe we cull half of humanity, and safe the cows. Cows have never harmed anyone. Also, cows don't need oil, dumb arse human beings do.

        • PsyclingLeft.Always 2.1.1.1

          Wow.

        • Blazer 2.1.1.2

          But the cow population has exploded because humans want to milk them…for all they're…worth!

          • Sabine 2.1.1.2.1

            That is right. Profit for humans, human governments etc etc etc.

            Again, nothing that the cow should be carrying responsibility for, and nothing for which cows should be culled / exterminated/ kept in a zoo to preserve the species. They are the exploited natural being. Humans in their zeal for more are the exploiters, polluters and world killers.

        • DB Brown 2.1.1.3

          That's twice in a week you've called for the culling of people.

          Unhinged.

          How about you try cleaning up your diet those prions seem to be taking hold.

          • weka 2.1.1.3.1

            she's not calling for the culling of people. She's using hyperbole to point out the problems with humans.

            • Sabine 2.1.1.3.1.1

              DB Brown knows full well what i am saying. But hey, him/her/they being hyperbole about me gives them the excuse to actually not comment on the fact that I am blaming human overconsumption and the need for new shit every other day rather then cows, who are the most unlikely beast on this planet to harm anyone.

              The world ruining predator is US, humans and their need to need more in order to feel fullfilled.

            • DB Brown 2.1.1.3.1.2

              "Maybe we cull half of humanity" – gimme a break. She's doing exactly what I said.

              • DB Brown

                And apparently I'm looking for excuses.

                A fucking bore and an idiot.

                • Sabine

                  hahahahahahahaha

                  thanks for the laugh.

                  cheers.

                • Shanreagh

                  Hey RB just an idea. Why not brush up on figures and mechanisms of speech – you know metaphor, irony, sarcasm, alliteration before you try to derail an argument (because that is what you are doing) with some careless rigid approach.

                  Consider reading poetry or Shakespeare. There are more ways of expressing oneself and making an impact than a bare recitation of facts.

                  Consider Churchill from his speech to the House of Commons on 4/6/1940

                  '…

                  I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty’s Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength. Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.'

                  So memorable that my mother could recite this last paragraph, right down to intonation until the end of her life in 2010 ……from hearing on the radio in 1940.

                  • weka

                    well said. Sabine's style of political discourse is challenging but rewarding imo if one makes the effort at understanding.

                  • DB Brown

                    Last time she went on a genocidal rant I believe it was prompted by my mentioning making cheese from fermented cashews. Or maybe it was cows again. It was in recent memory. And long term, it's not so much a debating style as an unhinged asshole venting their spleen. We all vent, sometimes.

                    I just spent the morning mulching weed species to plant productive tree species. My 'green' neighbor makes some snide comment about what we determine to be weeds, as if the privet will feed us.

                    Sometimes I really can't be fucked with stupid. I don't need to be told off for not engaging with such nonsensical ranting. Sabine's points on climate are as new to me as climate change itself.

                    • PsyclingLeft.Always

                      Hi DB Brown. Sounds like you walk the talk into Positive action. Always the best way. Oh I did see you and Stuart Munro talking about Black Soldier fly? Interesting!

                      There was a Country Calendar episode on Regenerative Farming ..and Dung Beetles

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/tv-guide/120945963/country-calendar-regenerative-farming-reaps-benefits-at-linnburn-station

                      Do you have Tiger worms ? They are voracious…eat old veges, leaves, grass clippings,cardboard, even carpet ! Turns all into fantastic compost…..can even get the liquid out as it is a super growth formula !

                    • DB Brown

                      I'm not sure what worms are currently in the compost bin, though I've done a bit of worm wrangling before. I like those fast shiny native ones, good lookin' – for worms. cheeky

                      I'm keen on the more food forest approach of mulching in place and letting the critters make compost on the spot. The compost bin is simply convenient (throw scraps out window, scraps land in bin). But in drought mulch simply wasn't breaking down so plants weren't getting compost… Climate change is one MF'er of a challenge! Now we've had some wet it's better. I only lost a couple of trees to drought which is great considering I didn't water (swales to soak water in). Harvesting bananas that haven't been watered in a drought – LOL. That's pushing the edge.

                      I will irrigate some of my new trees, sparingly, as I don't want to lose my avocados (again).

                      The large privet I just dropped are still alive. They'll get coppiced and used for fuel (outdoor rocket stove summers), mushroom logs (only Tramates so far, but experimenting with four local edibles with this new lot of wood), garden poles, landscaping logs… They can stay on the perimeter and provide shelter/goods till I'm ready to replace them with something 'better'.

                      Got too much wood right now. Might make a big hugelkultur though they're very labor intensive they do build fantastic soil.

                      I've written a paper on privet's uses, it got people mighty upset. CULL that shit too apparently. The purists are pointlessly spouting ideals that no longer apply, everything's changing, keep up!

                      Only four hours food foresting today. Back inside for a nice dahl and… I just harvested, today… some kumara! Crazy but true. Harvested kumara and at the same time rooting kumara slips for the next crop. To get them real late (yet small and edible) put slips under tree drip lines in poor hard soil so they've competition for (and few) resources. They'll take all year to make you lovely wee baby kumara.

                      The Botanical Gardens on Saturday has the Auckland Tree Crop Association Annual Sale, for anyone who wants some great deals/variety/tips. I'm way excited. Clear out the bank balance and got the mate engaged with his truck.

                      A food forest, and place to teach from, that's the plan. Blame Robert if we're to yell at anyone.

                    • Robert Guyton

                      I'll shoulder the blame, no worries 🙂

                      "Mulching in place" – yes x a million – it's so elegant! Hard to watch though, over the fence.

                      Don't chip; prune, chop, snap and crunch underfoot, as if you were a bear or an elk.

                      I envy you the "Auckland Tree Crop Association Annual Sale" – if only!

                      Brought pigeon pea plants yesterday. Cajanus cajan. Excited! Dividing and relocating various bamboos today. Love it. The bananas are throwing out their first post-winter leaves and cannas are pushing through. I love this stuff 🙂

                    • DB Brown

                      Yes I'm very excited about the sale. Almost perfect timing except there's a months work down back not 2-3 weeks as I'd planned. But they will be fine sitting under the macadamia while I finish the mulch/landscaping. Close to perfect timing…

                      I have a slope downhill to the west. I'm planning tall species at back (right up to the native bush) medium in centre and small/shrubs at the top. So there's a level canopy and you walk down the hill till you are under a canopy of food. This is an extension to an existing garden/forest garden which provides much for me, I couldn't be happier except for the huge workload up front! Could call a working bee but nah, just get fit.

                      Huge Karaka stand right behind where the food forests going too. For those in the know, there'll be no shortages here.

                    • Robert Guyton

                      Karaka – nice – prepare carefully!
                      (I have them growing here, in Southland 🙂

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                    Complaining about commentators not rising to the heights of Shakespeare or Churchill in an age of Twitter is just a bit silly.

                    Best to apply facts with comments that are testable.

                    Otherwise, OpenMike just is what it is.

                    • Shanreagh

                      I disagree…….it was a plea not to be so literal when we have a beautiful language to use. The point too was being so literal actually missed the point that was being made by Sabine.

                      Who wants to be a slave to Twitter? Or, as my sister says, have brains the size of the tiny screen in front of us? Why do we need to even think of doing this in this forum?

              • weka

                oh, so you're a literalist? I hadn't picked that.

                • Incognito

                  Ecofascism is a thing, and, among other things, it proposes various ways of population control some of which even go as far as culling [certain] people. It is no joke, no metaphor, irony, sarcasm, or alliteration; it is serious.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofascism

                  • weka

                    I know what ecofascism is, but Sabine isn't an ecofascist and people reading her comment literally are misinterpreting what she is saying.

                    Maybe an argument can be made that this kind of mockery shouldn't be done, but that's a different argument.

                    • Incognito

                      I have no idea what Sabine is or is not, as I don’t know her, have never met her, and only read her comments here on TS. Her commenting & debating style can be aggressive, acerbic, antagonistic, and acrimonious at times, IMO. Others could easily mistake her comment about culling people as an ecofascist argument, particularly when it is poorly articulated with little explanatory context and no nuance – you know how hard it can be for people to clearly state here what they mean (e.g., https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-03-09-2022/#comment-1908901). Anywho, that’s it from me on this.

                    • weka

                      touche. Although I think Sabine is pretty direct. I do know her, from her comments and talking with her online over the years. I guess she would be an ecofascist and playing double game but I prefer to take people at face value.

                      And yes, it does take some work to understand her at times, which is why I made a point of pointing this out to DB. I don't think her point is poorly articulated, I think her commenting style is outside the bell curve of what is usual here. I count that as a good thing. If people are unclear they can always ask.

                  • Poission

                    The cull (population reduction) is part of the SRES emission scenarios,it requires the human population to cap at 8 billion,then reduce to 6 billion by 2100.

                    There is also a widespread increase in Eco anxiety ( mostly due to decreased Fe transport of O2 brain) a side effect of the prozac generation and increase in the size of social studies faculty's and decrease in STEM ability.

                    https://www.iberdrola.com/social-commitment/what-is-ecoanxiety

                    • weka

                      I assume that the IPCC didn't use the word cull though, which by definition means slaughter.

                    • Poission

                      No the EU just restricted european investment ( not in gas production or lng) but in ammonia production,by technology transfer constraints in Africa.

                    • Incognito

                      Eco-fascism ≠ eco-anxiety

                      However, there might be a relatively strong correlation between the two, and even causation.

                      I recommend hyperbaric oxygen chamber treatment once daily for 6 weeks and gradually lowering the dose of any mood-altering substances.

        • Pingao 2.1.1.4

          Reduce cow herd size by reducing cow breeding of new stock. Certainly stop the ever increasing cow population across the world at the expense of other animals (including insects, birds, fish) plants and terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems and reduce greenhouse gas emissions (methane and coal burning at the dairy production end).

        • alwyn 2.1.1.5

          "Cows have never harmed anyone".

          That may be true Sabine but to keep them in existence you need bulls as well. Bulls have certainly harmed lots of people. Indeed I have never yet met a farmer who would turn his back on a bull. They can attack with no warning at all.

          • Sabine 2.1.1.5.1

            Good grief, the first thing we learned as little kids on the country side was that: Do not enter any paddocks/stalls of any lifestock without competent handlers. I.e. farmers, farm hands. That included goats, cows, pigs, horses, ponies, and also…..stay away from bee hives. Ditto if you don't know the dog, don't touch/pet it, you might lose a hand. lol. Heck, some even put signs up for the townies and tourists that came for the good air cause humans are actually quite stupid.

          • Tricledrown 2.1.1.5.2

            clyptosporidium, nitrates from industrial dairy farming are killing people.Bowel cancer rates increasing in areas where intensified dairy farming areas.

        • Robert Guyton 2.1.1.6

          Humans "can't imagine", Sabine, for a number of reasons, one being the erosion of the ability to imagine anything at all, thanks to civilisations need to quell imagination for its own security. When someone with a functioning imagination appears and alerts us to their imaginings, we ring-fence, diminish and dismiss them as "crazy folk", to ease our anxiety. The recent Kim Hill interview with George Monbiot is a good example of this.

          • Sabine 2.1.1.6.1

            For what its worth we can imagine the killing/culling of animals rather then downsizing and consuming less. But i guess consuming until this planet looks like the Easter Island is a human right, or lack of imagination.

            • Robert Guyton 2.1.1.6.1.1

              It's purely lack of imagination. If everyone could "see" the outcomes of this behaviour and that behaviour, all would change. Our ability to "picture" or envision scenarios other than what we have been presented with, through movies and books; media of all sorts, Government and business decrees, religious instructions, cultural imperatives etc. blinds us to the real situation and this is exploited by those who seek the various forms of power that appeal. Our best bet, on a personal and global level, is to cultivate imagination; seek it's source, explore and share your discoveries; artists do this, and by artists, I mean everyone who does this 🙂

              • Sabine

                🙂 according to you i am such an artist. thanks.

                maybe raise that imagination in those that really believe that cows, or other animals that the human being exploits for profit is the issue.

                we know what we have to do, in general i elieve that people know, but it is hard to stop squandering resources be they cows, water, farmland and/or humans.

                in the end, we will only have ourselfs to eat once we killed everything else.

                • Robert Guyton

                  Yes, we've discovered, finally, in the Western World, that

                  "…it is hard to stop squandering resources be they cows, water, farmland and/or humans."

                  Other/earlier cultures faced the same issue and came up with solutions – rahui, potlatch etc. to rein themselves in. Our culture has yet to reach that state of maturity.

                  My hope is that we will.

                  My fear is that there isn't much time left…

                  🙂

                • Blazer

                  Shouldn't we start to…'eat the rich'…first?

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 2.1.2

        Yep. just never going to attempt a mindset change…because their minds are set in reinforced concrete. And what do "they" care about their/OUR Future? Most so focused on the end of the day… they cant even imagine what World our Children will inherit. And the others…making a LOT of Moo lah (some humour cause its a bit not)

        Anyway. Gotta keep trying ! Always rate your comments. Informative

  3. Eric Crapton Crampton has jumped the shark today, with another repulsive polemic full of distortions and outright lies in his latest Herald brainfart opinion piece.

    Clint V Smith straightened out a few of his lies.

    Then Luxon goes on TVNZ Breakfast and RNZ Morning Report and repeats this rubbish, with nobody pulling him up, or asking what National will actually *do*

    This shrill misinfo campaign from the Herald, Newshub, and other National Party regurgitators, reeks of desperation.

  4. Stephen D 4

    We were so much younger then…We were so much younger then…

  5. Eco Maori 5

    Whano These sandflys thugs are trying to take my eldest grandchild off her mother who is working with me full time what the FUCK that is how low these thugs will go use anything in the state system to get people to kiss their ass im going to Lawyer up for this bull shit

    Ka kite Ano

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    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta has wrapped up her first official visit to Papua New Guinea, reinforcing Aotearoa New Zealand’s commitment to social and economic resilience in the region.  During the visit, Nanaia Mahuta met Prime Minister James Marape and held her first in-person ministerial dialogue with Foreign Minister Justin ...
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  • Govt supports 50,000 apprentices to stay in trades and training
    50,000 apprentices supported through Apprenticeship Boost 18,800 employers have signed up to the scheme 19 percent identify as Māori, 8 percent Pacific and 17 percent are female apprentices Fulton Hogan alone have supported 245 apprentices through the scheme, of which 51 are currently being supported The Government’s Apprenticeship Boost programme ...
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    4 hours ago
  • Funding confirmed for 2026 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games
    More than $20 million is being invested over the next four years to prepare athletes for the 2026 Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games in Milan. The increased investment comes on the back of a hugely successful Winter Olympic and Paralympic Games campaign for New Zealand this year. It will see ...
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  • Annual tax rates and remedial matters Bill reintroduced
    The annual tax rates and remedial matters Bill has been re-introduced today. It is the same as the annual tax rates and remedial matters Bill introduced last week, but without the proposal to standardise the application of GST to fees and services of managed fund providers. The Taxation (Annual Rates ...
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    7 hours ago
  • Greater transparency ensured for political party donations
    Amendment clarifies the definition of ‘party donation’ in the Electoral Act 1993 Adds an offence for failing to comply with the existing obligation to transmit a political donation to the intended recipient Change will not apply to any ongoing court proceedings The Government is introducing some amendments to the Electoral ...
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  • Govt partners with industry to explore sustainable wood processing
    A new partnership between the Government and Oji Fibre Solutions could boost the development of sustainable wood products, hydrogen and bio-fuels at the Kinleith Mill near Tokoroa, creating jobs and reducing emissions across the economy Forestry Minister Stuart Nash announced today. “In order to build a low-emissions, high-wage economy, we ...
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  • Research projects set to tackle NZs biggest challenges
    The Government has announced funding for 71 scientific research projects that seek to address some of our biggest challenges such as climate change, Research, Science and Innovation Minister Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. “The Endeavour Fund provides investment in projects will help build a productive, sustainable and inclusive economy to ...
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    9 hours ago
  • First ever NZSL-led consultation to amend law
    Disability Issues Minister Poto Williams is inviting all New Zealanders to participate in the consultation to amend the New Zealand Sign Language Act 2006. "The 2006 Act was an important and significant step in supporting Deaf people in Aotearoa New Zealand, and it is time to build on progress we ...
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    11 hours ago
  • Government future-proofs Māori media
    Minister for Māori Development Willie Jackson has announced the Māori Broadcasting Strategy today. Cabinet has agreed to a three-year plan, which outlines the priorities for the Māori media sector. “Māori media plays a vital role in normalising and revitalising te reo Māori and helps us work towards the Maihi Karauna ...
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  • Post-Study Work Visa requirements confirmed
    Post-Study Work Visa changes signalled as part of the Immigration Rebalance take effect 7 September Settings for post-study work rights for students studying towards a non-degree level 7 or below confirmed International students who complete a degree or post-graduate qualification will continue to have access to open post-study work rights ...
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  • Support for sexual and reproductive health in the Pacific
    New support for access to contraceptives, family planning and other sexual and reproductive health services in the Pacific has been announced by the Minister of Foreign Affairs during a visit to Papua New Guinea (PNG). “Aotearoa New Zealand already works closely with partners offering sexual and reproductive health services throughout ...
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  • Maori Economy prepare for Climate Action during 2021 Growth
    Māori businesses are playing a key role in Aotearoa New Zealand’s, economic recovery and climate change planning according to the Tatauranga umanga Māori: 2021 report released today by Stats NZ.” Associate Minister of Statistics, Meka Whaitiri said. “I was pleased to see that $872 million worth of goods were exported ...
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  • Government law changes to enable faster consenting, more prefabs, comes into force
      BuiltReady scheme will streamline consenting for offsite manufacturers with fewer inspection requirements A strengthened CodeMark product certification will improve confidence in building product compliance with the Building Code, including offsite and prefab manufacturing products Law changes that introduce a new voluntary certification scheme for modular component, or prefab, manufacturers, ...
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  • More new high-quality public homes delivered in Christchurch
    The work to get more people into stable housing is continuing at pace in Christchurch, with six additional homes  delivered in partnership between the government and community housing provider Ōtautahi Community Housing Trust, says Housing Minister, Megan Woods. “These new houses in Glovers Road in Halswell, built to the Homestar ...
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  • How the future resource management system will better enable development outcomes
    Address to the Resource Management Infrastructure stakeholders' event   WellingtonTuesday 6 September 2022  Kia ora everyone.  Thank you for the opportunity to be here today to update you on reform of the resource management system and, in particular, to explain how the new system will be more efficient and effective, ...
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    2 days ago
  • Successful funding for COVID-19 research round announced
    Researchers from across New Zealand have received funding to undertake research into the ongoing impacts of COVID-19 and future pandemic responses. “Our response to COVID-19 has always been science led therefore it is crucial that we fund projects that give us insights into how whānau, communities and the health system ...
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  • Government invests in local infrastructure to support decarbonisation
    Communities around New Zealand will benefit from upgraded, safer, and more people-friendly streets as the result of the Government’s Streets for People programme, Transport Minister Michael Wood announced today. “The Government is upgrading New Zealand’s transport infrastructure system to make it safer, greener, and more efficient for now and future ...
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  • Government takes action to bring down youth crime
    Successful youth engagement and employment programmes to be extended to thousands more young people All children aged under 14 in Counties Manukau and West Auckland who are caught doing a ram raid will be referred to the cross agency Social Wellbeing Board to intervene with wraparound support Youth Guarantee Programme ...
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    3 days ago
  • PM congratulates next United Kingdom PM
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has congratulated Liz Truss on her election as Conservative Party leader, and pending appointment as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. “New Zealand has an exceptionally strong relationship with the United Kingdom based on our shared values, history and culture,” Jacinda Ardern said. “As Secretary of ...
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  • Phil Twyford to visit Canberra for trade-focussed talks
    Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth Phil Twyford will travel to Canberra this week for talks with Australian counterparts on key trade issues. Minister Twyford will be discussing a range of matters, including the ongoing implementation of the Pacific Agreement on Closer Economic Relations (PACER Plus), upgrading the ...
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    3 days ago
  • Trade and Agriculture Minister to visit USA to deepen bilateral and regional cooperation
    Minister for Trade and Export Growth and Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor will visit the USA this week to help further New Zealand’s economic recovery through cooperation efforts with a range of US and Indo-Pacific partners. “My focus is on export growth so we can ensure New Zealand is best protected ...
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    3 days ago
  • Aerospace sector to reach new heights with Govt strategy and funding
    New Aerospace Strategy is opened for public consultation Funding announced to support the strategy $9 million for research partnerships with NASA $3 million for research projects under the Government’s Airspace Integration Trials Programme $3.7 million for the Civil Aviation Authority to establish an Emerging Technologies Programme Launch of review of ...
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    3 days ago
  • Police given new powers to seize criminal assets
    The Government is providing Police additional tools to seize the illicit assets of organised criminals, Justice Minister Kiri Allan announced today. The raft of legislative changes are targeted at gangs and are intended to strip gang members of the benefits of their criminal activity. “This is about ensuring crime doesn’t ...
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    3 days ago
  • New programme to ‘step up’ marine reserve monitoring nationwide
    A new monitoring programme for marine reserves, coupled with a network of marine reserve rangers, will boost protection for the country’s special marine areas, Conservation Minister Poto Williams says. The Minister has announced the new Marine Monitoring and Reporting Framework today, as Conservation Week began. The framework, developed by the ...
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  • Prime Minister to attend UN General Assembly
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will travel to New York on 17 September to represent New Zealand at the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA), co-host a Christchurch Call to Action Leader’s Summit, and participate in events to promote trade, investment, and tourism. “I look forward to visiting the United States to meet with ...
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    3 days ago
  • Pathways to make New Zealand home now open
    Applications for the Green List Straight to Residence pathway open today The streamlined pathway will help address shortages in highly skilled areas  Confirmation of this year’s Refugee quota including increases in places allocated to the Middle East and Africa international allocations, and emergency/urgent resettlement places The number of places specifically ...
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    3 days ago
  • Go with Tourism Funding Speech
    Thank you to the Go with Tourism team for welcoming me to their office today. I want to acknowledge all the hard work they do, especially in helping grow New Zealand’s tourism workforce. It has been an incredibly difficult time for the tourism industry due to COVID-19. However, this time ...
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    3 days ago
  • Language week has new  lea-faka Tonga goals
    Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio is urging Tongans everywhere to embrace Uike Kātoanga’i ‘o e lea faka-Tonga - Tonga Language Week 2022, to help stop the decline in its use by the New Zealand born Tongan population.  “It has been so great to see the Ministry and Tongan ...
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    4 days ago
  • Government backs largest ever pastoral farming study on regenerative farming practices
    New Zealand’s largest ever study on the sustainability of our farming sector aims to prove to the world why New Zealand food and fibre should be always the number one choice, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced.  “The Government is backing a new $26.1 million programme to undertake the most comprehensive ...
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    6 days ago
  • Foreign Minister to visit Papua New Guinea
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta departs for Papua New Guinea next week to engage kanohi ki te kanohi with partners and visit key development initiatives in the region.  “As we continue to reconnect Aotearoa New Zealand with the world, it is vital that we invest time and effort into strengthening ...
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    6 days ago
  • Minister to visit intelligence partnership capitals
    Minister Responsible for the NZSIS and GCSB Andrew Little will visit the capitals of the Five Eyes intelligence partnership - Canberra, Washington DC, Ottawa and London – from Sunday 4 until Wednesday 14 September. He will meet ministerial counterparts and parliamentary intelligence committee members, visit partner agency headquarters, and attend ...
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    6 days ago
  • Govt backs scheme to increase tourism workforce
    The Government will invest $2 million to support Go with Tourism, an initiative that connects jobseekers with employers, to help address the workforce shortage in the industry and accelerate economic recovery, Tourism Minister Stuart Nash announced today. Go with Tourism is a unique approach to addressing labour supply issues in ...
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    6 days ago
  • Honouring our Māori language champions, 50 years on
    Ā te 14 o Mahuru ka tū tētahi hui ā-motu ki te Whare Pāremata e whakanui ana i te huringa o te 50 tau mai i te whakatakotoranga o te petihana reo Māori. Hei tā te Minita Whanaketanga Māori, hei tā Willie Jackson, kei te whakanui tēnei huihuinga i ngā ...
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    6 days ago
  • Opening Address – Cutting Edge Conference
    Mōrena, it is a pleasure to be here today. The last two and a half years have been unprecedented. We’ve been faced with, and overcome, many challenges. We’ve had to change how we live, how we work, and how we connect. While we have become accustomed to seeing each other ...
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    7 days ago
  • Deep concern at UN report on human rights in Xinjiang
    The Foreign Affairs Minister says Aotearoa New Zealand is deeply concerned at a new report that concludes serious human rights violations have been committed against ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang, and supports calls for China to respond. The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Michelle Bachelet, today released ...
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    1 week ago
  • More Government Support for flood-affected Marlborough communities
    Marlborough communities hit by the recent heavy rain will receive a further $100,000 contribution to their Mayoral Relief Fund as part of the wider Government support for the region, Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty says. Kieran McAnulty joined Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Transport Minister Michael Wood today in ...
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  • Government activates TAS response for Nelson Tasman and Marlborough Flooding
    The Government’s Temporary Accommodation Service (TAS) has been activated to support people who’ve been displaced by the severe flooding and landslips in Nelson Tasman and Marlborough regions, Housing Minister Megan Woods has announced. “TAS is now accepting registrations from those who cannot return to their homes and need assistance finding ...
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  • Govt expands Mana Ake to West Coast kids
    The Government continues to deliver on its promise to improve access to mental wellbeing services by expanding the school-based Mana Ake wellbeing programme to more than three thousand primary and intermediate school-aged children living on the West Coast. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Andrew Little marked the official ...
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  • Solar tech boost a cost saver for Māori households
    One hundred and fifty Māori households will benefit from clean, affordable and locally generated power through Government support for 16 small scale solar projects, Energy and Resources and Housing Minister Megan Woods and Associate Minister of Housing (Māori Housing) Peeni Henare say. “Our effective economic management is helping us to ...
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  • Agreed statement from Fire and Emergency New Zealand, the NZ Professional Firefighters Union, and th...
    On Tuesday 30th August Minister Tinetti brought Fire and Emergency New Zealand (FENZ) and the New Zealand Professional Firefighters Union (NZPFU) together to assist in finding a way forward in the current collective bargaining impasse. The meeting was constructive and the parties shared a willingness to work towards a solution. ...
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