web analytics

Open mike 08/10/2015

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, October 8th, 2015 - 107 comments
Categories: open mike - Tags:

openmikeOpen mike is your post.

For announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose. The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the Policy).

Step up to the mike …

107 comments on “Open mike 08/10/2015 ”

  1. Tony Veitch 1

    In the words of Eliza Dolittle, My Fair Lady:

    Words! Words! I’m so sick of words!
    I get words all day through;
    First from him, now from you! Is that all you blighters can do?

    Don’t talk at all! Show me!
    Never do I ever want to hear another word.
    There isn’t one I haven’t heard.

    Don’t wait until wrinkles and lines
    Pop out all over my brow,
    Show me now!

    This TPPA thing has got beyond words – I want some action (peaceful, of course!)
    I want to let this f. awful government know that not all New Zealanders can be so blatantly disregarded! I want to march and shout some slogans.
    I marched down Riccarton Road on a miserably wet day in September; now I want to do so again!
    And I want to do so as much for my own self-respect as anything. I want to be able to look my grandchildren in the eyes when this country had completely gone to the dogs and say – “I fought against the foreign takeover of our country!”
    I marched in 1981 and have always had a warm feeling about that – though I admit to being frightened at the time. I have put my name down for the climate change march in November – does that qualify me for Key’s ‘rent-a-crowd’ one third?
    This has got beyond words – let’s have some action! Show me how! And when!

    • Rosemary McDonald 1.1

      “…does that qualify me for Key’s ‘rent-a-crowd’ one third?”

      ….and “misinformed”
      ….and “politically irrelevant”

      What did ‘is nibs say about ‘third term arrogance’?

    • Rosie 1.2

      Onya Tony. I’m a “rent a crowd” third too. And a Labour and Green voter, so am another third according to Key. Who do we invoice for services provided to promote democracy btw? Cos, you know, in Key’s world, everything is for sale.

      FYI. I spoke to a friend who is involved in the organisation around TPP. Like you, I’m keen to get out there again. As far as I know there isn’t anything in the pipeline as yet – BUT, there will be. Thats for sure.

      I think it’s possible that organisers are holding off until we have access to the text of all 30 chapters. Once we have that information we plan strategy for activity. Thats just my theory.

      Listening to Alistair Thompson on Scoop Politics on Radio Active this morning – he mentioned that without knowing the full content of the deal we are really only shadow boxing. I thought that was good way of looking at at. It’s not until the deal gets tabled in congress that we and the other 11 countries get to know the content, and thats thirty days after.

      I think there will be a delay before we hit the streets again.

      Don’t hold off organising your own local march though 😀

      PS: Do you keep an eye on Action Station? They were involved in co organising the last march. Sing up and receive their email news.

      • tracey 1.2.1

        according to Groser we all think “the TPP eats babies”. No hysterical rhetoric there then, the deal clearly stands on its own merits.

  2. vto 2

    Did Key really use the words “goddam awful place” ??

    what a dick

    • RedBaronCV 2.1

      From yesterday’s stories it sounds like he did.

      Other than that the rest of the stories seemed to focus on “how hard it for poor Mr Key & the rest of the party to get there and how unpleasant it had all been”.

      Left the lasting impression that it was all about me, me ,me… look how tough I had it but zero empathy for the people who have to live their lives there.

    • Ffloyd 2.2

      And I bet he said Gaaaad Dayam Arful place and then spit on the ground. GI Johnny, our own Yankey.

    • Lanthanide 2.3

      TV1 6pm news bulletin lead with the line. I thought it was a bit on the nose for a 6pm broadcast, but I guess we’re not that god faring any more.

      bf said that because they were quoting the leader of the nation, they were allowed to say it.

      • maui 2.3.1

        I think the TV1 audience can put up with almost anything if they can embrace Hosking. Just dont mention Hager, Assange et al. Red rag to a bull.

    • tracey 2.4

      and Corin Dann (sp) was almost breathless with his excitement at being in a war zone… reminds me why I prefer Mike McRoberts. The coverage struck me as highlighting that it’s all about

      The PM (as it should be); and
      The journalist

      In no particular order

  3. grumpystilskin 3

    Good to see most aren’t buying the pro tpp rhetoric from our media and pointing out the downsides to journo’s..
    For example, have a read of the replies to fran o’sullivans article in yesterdays herald.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11524807

    • vto 3.1

      Old neoliberal farts like Fran O’Sullivan and John Key really do seem to believe their own bullshit, in an almost religious fervour. It is like they cannot abide any alternative views. Their minds cannot fathom that there are other ways of structuring society and trade. They are stuck in a time warp.

      They are well past their use-by date (the 1990’s)

  4. Manuka AOR 4

    Doctors Without Borders are calling for an independent investigation into the hospital airstrike in which a dozen doctors were killed, – 22 people in all, including adult and child patients:
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/doctors-borders-calls-independent-probe-deadly-kunduz-hospital/story?id=34310266

    “In Kunduz, our patients burned in their beds. MSF doctors, nurses and other staff were killed as they worked. Our colleagues had to operate on each other.”

    “Today, we say enough. Even war has rules.”

    More on the ever-changing nature of the official story here: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/06/doctors-without-borders-airstrike-afghanistan-us-account-changes-again

    • savenz 4.1

      +100 Manuka AOR – would be keen to see further analysis of this on the Standard too.

      It seems unfathomable that the USA can just murder (either deliberately or by accident) so many doctors, patients and other staff at the hospital and the international community does nothing. Is this the international and media response – Meh?

      Even if the MSM seem reluctant to report it properly with analysis I hope the blogs can look at it.

      Look at what the difference when a muslim kills someone in Paris – massive widespread international condemnation and dialogue – funeral with all the international dignitaries invited (and some who were not).

      What the F is wrong with the world?

      • Manuka AOR 4.1.1

        And in a sad irony, Docs without Borders are vocal opponents of the TPP:
        ” the TPP will still go down in history as the worst trade agreement for access to medicines in developing countries, which will be forced to change their laws to incorporate abusive intellectual property protections for pharmaceutical companies.”

        ” As the trade agreement now goes back to the national level for countries’ final approval, we urge all governments to carefully consider before they sign on the dotted line whether this is the direction they want to take on access to affordable medicines and the promotion of biomedical innovation. The negative impact of the TPP on public health will be enormous, be felt for years to come, and will not be limited to the current 12 TPP countries, as it is a dangerous blueprint for future agreements.”
        http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/statement-msf-conclusion-tpp-negotiations-atlanta

    • One Two 4.2

      Perhaps the hospital was deliberately targeted due to DWB opposition to TPPA

  5. Wairua 5

    Key must have been in Iraq when it approved cruise missile transit to Syria.

    Does this mean we declare war on Russia ?

    Peter Sellers once made a film called ‘The Mouse that Roared’ ..
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_That_Roared_(film)

  6. Tautoko Mangō Mata 6

    @Tony Veitch
    My initial reaction to the signing was exactly like yours. I have managed to push my anger down to a level where I can do now think more rationally and make better plans to fight this more effectively.
    The current situation is this:
    1.Only the trade issues have been revealed.
    2. The Herald in particular is doing the soft-sell PR job for Groser, Key
    3. The ISDS, the selling of land to foreigners and minimal dairy gains are really the only negative issue that are out in the public domain.
    4. The fine print fishhooks have yet to be revealed so the arguments surrounding these cannot be had to inform the general public of the negative consequences.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11525498

    I think we will need to take to the streets but the events need to be well planned, well publicised, with all groups co-ordinating, similar to the big antimining march in Auckland. It needs to be after the text is released so the negatives are indisputably out there so the public can see that we are not just a pack of angry feral, left wing nutters but have damn good reasons for marching and what’s more, they want to join in because they agree.

    In the meantime, we need to educate those around us as more information comes to light, get people involved in planning placards, street theatre, ready for the big marches.
    5. Let’s all learn the lyrics of Twisted Sister’s “We’re not Gonna Take It”
    Oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore

    we’ve Got The Right To Choose And
    there Ain’t No Way We’ll Lose It
    this Is Our Life, This Is Our Song
    we’ll Fight The Powers That Be Just
    don’t Pick Our Destiny ’cause
    you Don’t Know Us, You Don’t Belong

    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore

    oh You’re So Condescending
    your Gall Is Never Ending
    we Don’t Want Nothin’, Not A Thing From You
    your Life Is Trite And Jaded
    boring And Confiscated
    if That’s Your Best, Your Best Won’t Do

    oh…………………
    oh…………………
    we’re Right/yeah
    we’re Free/yeah
    we’ll Fight/yeah
    you’ll See/yeah

    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore

    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore
    no Way!

    source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/onehitwonders/werenotgonnatakeitlyrics.html

      • savenz 6.1.1

        I also think there should be a consumer campaign run too. For example buy no milk products day, buy no meat day, buy nothing day, buy no overseas goods day etc.

        Don’t go to Bunnings are get that garden hose etc.

        Now that money is the new god and lobbyists are the messengers, when the end consumer fights the money, the lobbyists start listening.

        This is what happened in the 90’s with cruelty free animal testing – consumers stopped buying and changed the way the company did business.

        As voters democracy might be gone, but as consumers we still have choice and a lot of ability to damage corporations.

        • savenz 6.1.1.1

          If Kiwis stop buying stuff for a month (use car less etc) that will scare the pants off the Nats and be great for the environment too.

          • vto 6.1.1.1.1

            go places without taking money or plastic with you

            it is very refreshing

            F R E E D O M ! !

        • grumpystilskin 6.1.1.2

          Turn off the TV, that’s your biggest corporate agent.
          Seriously, do it. Your desire for new widgets will soon disappear.

          • Sabine 6.1.1.2.1

            + a billion or so.

          • Nigel Gregory 6.1.1.2.2

            +1
            Not only that but your tolerance for people shouting at you really declines….

          • savenz 6.1.1.2.3

            @Grumpystilskin – already mostly stopped watching TV. Don’t watch TV news anymore although I have heard early morning news is a lot better than 6pm.

            Also another thought, don’t use the phone day.

            I’m no economist but not consuming anything for one day (banks also affected) would wipe off millions in the economy I would have thought. A powerful message.

            Get onto the US – if the US consumer stopped consuming for one day – the lobbyists would have a heart attack. No TPP.

          • Rosemary McDonald 6.1.1.2.4

            I fear it will be an uphill battle to deflect the faithful from their pilgrimages to worship at the alter of the Great God of Shop.

            http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/72592453/shoppers-flock-to-aucklands-new-northwest-mall

            Telly is rubbish. haven’t watched it for ages. I visually filter out all advertising.

            When the I search for a particular product to buy and the google picks that up and bombards me with pop up ads…I do a search for something REALLY obscure.

            Like “buy submarine”.

            Try it. Hilarious.

          • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.2.5

            +1

            That is the big one. Get rid of the TV and a lot of the worst manipulation goes away.

    • Tony Veitch 6.2

      Thank you TMM – your response, and those of the others, are just what I needed – a boost to my flagging enthusiasm. This fight is far from over!
      I shall be emailing all the Green, NZ First and Labour MPs in the Christchurch area, letting them know that support of the TPP will have electoral consequences.
      I shall be spreading the word as far as I am able among my friends and family – and yes, also waiting until the nasty aspects of this agreement can no longer be hidden from the public.
      But let’s get the people who planned the September marches on board again – make it bigger and more emphatic and really stick it to this (to paraphrase jonkey) goddam awful government!

      • Rosie 6.2.1

        “But let’s get the people who planned the September marches on board again – make it bigger and more emphatic and really stick it to this (to paraphrase jonkey) goddam awful government!”

        Hi Tony. Not sure if you saw my response to you at 1.2. There WILL be action 😀

        You’re right, the fight is far from over. There is just a pause for gathering strength and planning the next steps. From what I hear some of the organisers are quite exhausted because they have been involved intensively in the anti TPP movement for three years now.

        • Puckish Rogue 6.2.1.1

          Well I wish you all good luck, I don’t think you lot will change anything but at least you’re doing something you believe in and thats good

          • Rosie 6.2.1.1.1

            I don’t know if it will either PR. Our Government’s mind is made up, and Grocer wouldn’t wear the shame of NZ not singing to the deal.

            Then again, there is so much that may be revealed in the coming months, that maybe the government may find they have a riot on their hands. Even the placid and sleepy might even go “Huh?”

            If Congress does ratify this, meaning we then go ahead, then it becomes a very important point in our history. There has to be a reaction to that.

            • Puckish Rogue 6.2.1.1.1.1

              What will most likely happen in the upcoming months is NZ will see theres more benefits then negatives and eventually everyone will wonder what the big deal was

              • maui

                An interesting take from Planet Key.

              • Rosie

                Yep. Righto PR…………….. 🙄

              • tracey

                I opposed it because I don’t buy Wayne Mapp’s notion that secrecy was required to secure negotiating positions. John Key recently admitted that we, and our allies, spy on each other for commercial reasons. Therefore, no one had a secret negotiating position. ALL governments leak information that suits them. Labour did, National does and so on. So WHY the secrecy this time?

                Wayne Mapp says dissenters who NEVER supported a FTA can be discounted cos they have always opposed but won’t address the corollary, that someone who NEVER opposes one is equally as questionable ( on his logic).

                Kelsey has been very clear that she opposes the opening of the door to erosion of soveriegn decision-making through a closed door tribunal made up of former or current corporate lawyers, with no chance of Appeal.

                Fair questions to ask I would have thought.

                Key says we won’t be sued. BUT he hasn’t told us what he bases that on. There is plenty of evidence that other governments have been sued. There is NO history of such suing in the FTA’s we are in… but some of the countries we are now climbing into bed with DO have a history of suing under those clauses. THAT is a significant difference.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  So WHY the secrecy this time?

                  That’s easy – they didn’t want the people to know by how much they’re being sold out for until after it was done.

                  Key says we won’t be sued.

                  Key knows that’s a lie. The ISDS wouldn’t be in there if we weren’t going to be sued.

              • Draco T Bastard

                That can’t possibly happen as there’s essentially no benefits and lots and lots of downsides.

        • Tony Veitch 6.2.1.2

          Thanks Rosie – am looking forward to doing something concrete and effective to stop this travesty of democracy going any further.

    • Rosie 6.3

      +1 Tautoko Mango Mata.

      Agree that organisation for protest needs to take place after content of the deal is revealed. Then we know exactly what we are dealing with and can formulate a plan for appropriate reaction.

      LOLs. At one of the TPP demo’s in Wellington, prior to the last one we all did a sing along to We’re not Gonna Take It. It was the best!

    • Bearded Git 7.1

      @Pat
      To continue from yesterday, it appears nothing is certain on the banning of house sales to overseas purchasers. Labour may well have the option of modifying the OIA (which has been exempted from the TPP) so that it can implement its policy.
      From the Herald today:

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11525498

      The list of “things to look out for” from Jacobi and Rosenberg when the fine print comes through are interesting.

      • Pat 7.1.1

        as always the devil is in the detail , however that link (thanks) suggests to me that there may be room for restricting foreign investment under the provisions of the CURRENT overseas investment act….and dosnt remove the risk of ISDS prosecution should any future government wish to change the act….my take.

  7. left for deadshark 8

    Come on Radio NZ, this is the problem you get when we have an art critic doing serious political journalism, that was rubbish.

    No I can not link RNZ Wiki leaks
    .

    • Bearded Git 8.1

      @left
      Agreed. She didn’t seem very well briefed. Assange had to correct her on facts several times and it sounded like he was thinking “why on earth is she asking this?”.

      • left for deadshark 8.1.1

        Ta….
        Twitterback radio without the talkback, don’t get me wrong, I like a lot of Lynn’s work else were on that station. 👿

  8. Northsider 10

    “..according to the ….mad breathless fanboys of the right wing press, after today’s speech to the Tory party conference Davie Cameron is the new voice of the left. In other news, Hannibal Lector is the new voice of veganism, Ian Paisley is the Vatican spokesman on ecumenicalism, and the BNP are the new UN Commissioners for Refugees.”

    https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com

    An entertaining read.

  9. wyndham 11

    http://campaign.labour.org.nz/our_position_on_the_tpp

    Just a reminder on those Labour Party “bottom lines”.

    • Nigel Gregory 11.1

      Wyndham….exactly.
      So Labour does not support the TPP right?

      • wyndham 11.1.1

        Yes. That’s how I see it.

        • Northsider 11.1.1.1

          Not how Sir David Shearer of IISS lineage, Grant Robertson and David Parker will be advocating in the Caucus. They will be pushing hard for conformity with the fictions “middle ground consensus” .

          Sir David and Lady Anuschka will get that cushy ambassador spot from National or Labour: there don’t care which. They are not going to allow bloody left wingers dirty their clean establishment credentials.

  10. Michael 12

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/business/72752247/labour-to-carry-on-regardless-of-tppa–ardern

    Labour to carry on regardless of TPPA – Ardern

    A Labour Government will make laws without regard to the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement and if necessary “face the consequences”.

    That was the view of Jacinda Ardern, Labour MP and spokesperson for small business, speaking at a Chamber of Commerce event in Rotorua on Tuesday.

    “When we’re in Government we’ll continue to legislate as we would and we’ll face the consequences,” she said.

    Good to hear it in solid, straightforward terms now.

    • Puckish Rogue 12.1

      Easy to make promises when you know you don’t have to back them up untill 2020

      • weka 12.1.1

        easy to make promises when no-one else can see the fine print.

      • stigie 12.1.2

        Yes PR, always easy to make promises in opposition ?

        • One Anonymous Bloke 12.1.2.1

          “These tax cuts will be fiscally neutral…no GST rise…brighter future…higher standards…”

          I see what you mean.

          PS: found out about Google’s personalised searches yet Stigie? I’d hate to think my charity was going to waste.

      • Tricledrown 12.1.3

        PR isideous arrogance Nationals unwritten policy .

      • Michael 12.1.4

        What would you prefer?

        If Labour came out and said they’ll support the TPP wholeheartedly, you’d call them right wing neoliberals who are weak.

        When they criticise it, and say they won’t be following its regulations – the regulations of an international agreement – and will implement their policies anyway, you call it empty promises and weak.

        What do you want from the Labour party?

    • Draco T Bastard 12.2

      Quoting article:

      Overnight Tuesday the five years of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) deal came to a close.

      More lies from the MSM – the TPP negotiations were started something like ten years ago – by Labour.

      “It wasn’t just state to state, it was corporate to state.”

      It was the corporate takeover of the state.

  11. Rosie 13

    Really sick of reading about sicko’s abusing farmed animals:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/286410/farmer-jailed-for-'horrific-animal-abuse

    Within that article is a link to another story about a Whakatane man who starved calves to death.

    Read that one only yesterday, and now one today.

    Read another two weeks ago about about a farm manager and staff who abused dairy cows, forced extremely lame cows who were in acute pain to walk 2km to an offal pit where they shot them. The farm manager and a farm hand were charged for that and other abuses.

    These stories crop up far too frequently in the farming section on stuffed.co.nz

    But surely this is just tip of the iceberg stuff, the cases that end in convictions.

    After long campaigning, over decades, only now are customers purchasing free range chicken eggs and pork in supermarkets, and not just at health stores and farmers markets as before. They have finally grown aware of the cruelty of factory farming and it is more widely known about.
    How long will it be before we can expose the culture of farmed animal abuse, dairy, cattle and sheep, understand the depth of the abuse and remedy the situation?

    Why, in an agricultural nation are we so backwards about animal welfare?

    • Draco T Bastard 13.1

      Why, in an agricultural nation are we so backwards about animal welfare?

      Because our free-market, low wage culture, requires that we cut corners to save ‘costs’.

    • Belladonna 13.2

      Why as a people are we so backward about animal welfare? There is only one way to stop this constant and horrific abuse of animals and that is to go vegan.

    • McFlock 13.3

      I go with the free market argument, too.
      Farmers cutting back on feed and help means the remaining staff are underpaid, overworked and in precarious (and often dangerous) employment.

      We can’t expect people to care more about animals than the economy cares about people.

      • Rosie 13.3.1

        Odd. I checked for replies early evening and there weren’t any, yet DTB posted a reply at 3.19.

        Now I’ve run out time to get back into this subject.

        Good points however, alot that could be expanded on there. Will have to wait for another day.

    • tracey 13.4

      At least the guy yesterday got 4.5 years in prison.

  12. vto 14

    .

    TPP equals 1% economic gain by 2030

    .

    unbelievably useless

    .

    Adern is right to say they will continue to legislate regardless, especially in light of how little would be lost, in 15 years time, if it gets ditched. 1% is nothing.

    1% is nothing. Just pay it and ditch the piece of shit

    For fucks sake 2.7billion aint much different to Bill English’s handout to his mates who invested in South Canterbury Finance at 1.7billion

    ha ha ha ha ha ha how fucking useless

    • Tricledrown 14.1

      A few crumbs is all Grosser and co have been fed.Michael that figure of $ 2.7 billion is highly dubious.
      As the loss side of the balance sheet is not included.
      Biologicals the cost of keeping longer patents will wipe that out by itself as this government has deliberately covered up the %’s that pharmac will be purchasing for now it is small but by 2020 it will be 15% + of purchases by 2030 it could be half of all purchases.
      Then their is loss of local purchasing for govts and local bodies.
      That could include health boards.
      Then the right to sue .
      This is a pigs arse of a trade deal pushed by pigheaded pirates.

      • northshoredoc 14.1.1

        There is no increase to the patent term of medicines in NZ under this proposed TPP agreement.

        Your figures on the percentage of biologicals as a percentage of total spend of pharmaceuticals is incorrect – suggest you have look at PHARMAC’s website where this information is published – regardless as i have said before there is no increase to the patent term of medicines in NZ under this proposed TPP agreement.

        Regarding local purchasing for government and councils – this will most likely still go through a tender process with the purchasing body making the decision based on the specifics of the tender.

        • vto 14.1.1.1

          Good deal eh doc?

          What would your better half (presuming you have one) think if you got home after years away toiling for a pay rise and came back saying … “yes honey, I did it… 1% rise in 15 years time!… Lets go out and celebrate…”

          ffs

          • One Two 14.1.1.1.1

            Some will always support

            Some will never support

            At this early stage it appears that NZ (read every TTP nation other than the USA) is going to be screwed on various levels

            With the agreements and legislation being authored and directed by private company’s and corporations, the likelihood of positive impact for people as a whole, is extremely low.

            The likelihood of negative outcomes flowing through by becoming part of this agreement, are immeasurably high

            Contracts, words and definitions used as weapons

          • northshoredoc 14.1.1.1.2

            “Good deal eh doc?”

            Increased trade is a good outcome, yes I’m pro trade and agree with the former prime minster and current trade minister on the importance of trade to the NZ economy.

            • vto 14.1.1.1.2.1

              yeah nah that wasn’t the question was it

              • northshoredoc

                @VTO the question you asked was irrelevant piffle, I’m avoiding such rubbish so as to avoid massively long pointless threads.

                • vto

                  What? You consider the 1% gain after 15 years piffle?

                  I guess you’re right, it is piffle. The entire TPP is piffle.

                  And this is even more classic piffle … “Increased trade is a good outcome, yes I’m pro trade and agree with the former prime minster and current trade minister on the importance of trade to the NZ economy.”

                  • BM

                    Are you an exporter or importer vto?

                    • BM

                      You run a business that turns over some where between 10 million and a 100 million, so I’m assuming it would be something to do with exports or imports.

                      I would think the TPPA would have quite an impact on your bottom line if you’e in exports, or is the TPPA of no to relevance to your business?

                    • vto

                      What would have a bigger impact on our business’s bottom line is a more robust and financially healthy lower income sector…. not pandering to already successful pharmaceutical companies and big tobacco….

                      ffs, this stuff aint rocket science…. every business in NZ would do better if the base of our society was actually strong. This is where the effort should go – into making the low income demographic wealthier..

                      .. it builds all the way up doesn’t it BM. Like any foundation.

                      .. which is why restricting foreign ownership in order to drive down all capital values will help

                      .. but we ALL know that lowering capital values is like speaking of the devil, such is the religious fervour of the right wing on these matters

                      … lower the capital values – high capital values are only damaging

                    • tracey

                      vto, BM doesn’t understand that you don’t just want to make more and more money for yourself. His head might explode

                    • vto

                      Yep I come across them types all the time in real life – they just cannot fathom other ways of going about life and business. They really are bamboozled by it. If it aint about money then they just glaze over….

                      Wayne’s world
                      Wayne’s world

                    • tracey

                      good on ya vto for being the type of employer you are. I know a few who operate a similar way. It is possible.

                  • northshoredoc

                    No you must have misread my comment.

                    I remarked that the question you asked was piffle.

                    • vto

                      Oooohhh…..

                      Commentary on the extent of the gain (1% in 15 years) resulting from the TPP is considered piffle. Do you think we should just bend even further over and not comment on the outcome of the TPP?

                      Is a 1% economic gain in 15 years piffle?

                      I think it is.

                      After all that means at that level of achievement a 10% increase will take 150 years – ha ha, may as well pack the bags and head to the beach …

                      you are off the planet doc

            • Draco T Bastard 14.1.1.1.2.2

              Increased trade is a good outcome

              Not necessarily. In fact, that just proves your position is ideological belief rather than a considered position.

              As I say, if there was a truly level field there would be only minimal trade as each country would produce for itself from its own resources. The added costs of trade would prevent trade.

        • Pat 14.1.1.2

          would be a little concerned about filling one of your scripts if you consider there is no difference between 5 and 8.

          • northshoredoc 14.1.1.2.1

            Sigh – Pat I’ve explained the difference between data exclusivity and patent term from a NZ medicines regulatory perspective a number of times, have a look at my previous comments on this using the Standard’s dinky search function.

            • KJT 14.1.1.2.1.1

              Yes. You have now proved several times that you have no fucking idea what the TPPA says. Or don’t want us to know, like most of it’s supporters.

              • northshoredoc

                🙄 congratulations you have managed to add nothing to the discussion yet again.

            • Pat 14.1.1.2.1.2

              I know its tiresome having to deal with mere mortals doc but humour me awhile and confirm a point or two for me if you would

              – it is your contention that due to the WTO 20 year drug patent period it has no impact on Pharmacs ability to purchase generics whether the data exclusivity period is 5 or 8 years as both fall well within the 20 years (leaving aside evergreening)

              – the additional costs to NZ under the TPP will be negligible and essentially for administration

              -Pharmaceutical companies need this period to recoup Rand D costs and to provide a return on investment, therefore the drivers are financial

              – the advocates for the increased data exclusivity period of 12 years in the TPP negotiation were the pharmaceutical companies and their lobbyists

              would that be a fair summary?

  13. esoteric pineapples 15

    There was an interesting conversation (if short lived when a ban was threatened) on whether retiring CTU president Helen Kelly, who has lung cancer, smoked (she doesn’t as far as I know). I’m a huge admirer of Helen and this post isn’t about her but about the fact that lung cancer sufferers, and to a lesser extent other cancer sufferers are often blamed for their illness (the first quote and link below touch on this subject.)

    In fact, one new set of research findings (see second link and quote) has found that in the majority of cases people who get cancer are simply unlucky. This raises an interesting question about how much responsibility we are placing on cancer sufferers for having the disease and why we are doing this. Has the health industry become over-zealous, for instance? Is it a result of society pushing all responsibility on to the individual. Or is it a great conceit we now have the power to control our health when in fact we often don’t.

    We have managed to demonise smokers but bowel cancer is the second most common form of cancer and we don’t have an easy target for that. If there was a lifestyle that society disapproved of that was known to contribute to bowel cancer, would people who participate in that also be demonised?

    “Unlike some cancers, which typically evoke sympathy and concern, lung cancer patients often experience stigma, isolation, and social judgment. In some instances, patients with lung cancer blame themselves and are filled with regret for having failed to take the advice (liberally meted out by doctors, family, friends, and strangers) to quit smoking. Patients who smoked (even those who had long ago quit) find themselves not only battling their disease, but also rebuke and self-recrimination.”

    http://www.nypcancerprevention.com/archive_newsletter/issue/10/pro/feature/blame-victim.shtml

    “The majority of cancers are the result of bad luck rather than unhealthy lifestyles or inherited genetic faults, scientists have discovered.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11320497/Most-cancers-are-caused-by-bad-luck-not-genes-or-lifestyle-say-scientists.html

    • One Anonymous Bloke 15.1

      Thanks for posting this EP.

      I’ve been way, way too angry to respond to Infused’s vile insinuation on the HK tribute thread.

    • tracey 15.2

      pineapples

      yesterday my partner and were driving home from a funeral. We started talking about stress and so forth. She mentioned that from time to time mention is made of the impact of stress on illness. She mused “Has anyone studied terminal illness suffered by survivors of active duty since WWII? Cos” she continued” “you can’t get much more stressed than being shelled and shot at and freezing etc”.

    • McFlock 15.3

      yep – just as we have the deserving and undeserving poor, now it’s going into the deserving and undeserving sick.

      Looking for an excuse to ascribe blame/inferiority is the first step towards looking for an excuse to let people die.

  14. Nigel Gregory 16

    Jacinda Ardern’s comments are most welcome. It’s good to see Labour committing to policies in the interests of the majority of our citizens.
    I’ll take her comments at face value, bravo.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/business/72752247/labour-to-carry-on-regardless-of-tppa–ardern

  15. joe90 17

    Congratulations LP and TS, your very own stalker blog.

    http://www.donotlink.com/gxfe

    • weka 17.1

      Pretty poor content, we need better critics.

      Aren’t they on a ban currently?

      Someone did suggest a comment of the day feature recently, who was that?

      Edit, it was Pasupial,

      Standard Changes

    • One Anonymous Bloke 17.2

      Nah, that George person had that niche covered a long time ago. Your link is more wannabe-beige than the authentic variety.

  16. Smilin 18

    Lasso the operative word on US foreign policy and trade

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Humanitarian support for Bangladesh and Myanmar
    Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta today announced that New Zealand is providing NZ $8.25 million in humanitarian assistance to support refugees and their host populations in Bangladesh and to support humanitarian need of internally displaced and conflict affected people in Myanmar.  “Nearly four years after 900,000 Rohingya crossed the border ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 mins ago
  • Feedback sought on future of housing and urban development
    New Zealanders are encouraged to have their say on a long-term vision for housing and urban development to guide future work, the Housing Minister Megan Woods has announced. Consultation starts today on a Government Policy Statement on Housing and Urban Development (GPS-HUD), which will support the long-term direction of Aotearoa ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Clean car package to drive down emissions
    New rebates for electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles start July 1 with up to $8,625 for new vehicles and $3,450 for used. Electric vehicle chargers now available every 75km along most state highways to give Kiwis confidence. Low Emission Transport Fund will have nearly four times the funding by 2023 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Progress towards simpler process for changing sex on birth certificates
    The Government is taking the next step to support transgender, non-binary and intersex New Zealanders, by progressing the Births, Deaths, Marriages and Relationships Registration Bill, Minister of Internal Affairs, Jan Tinetti announced today. “This Government understands that self-identification is a significant issue for transgender, non-binary and intersex New Zealanders, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Crown speeds up engagement with takutai moana applicants
    The Crown is taking a new approach to takutai moana applications to give all applicants an opportunity to engage with the Crown and better support the Māori-Crown relationship, Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Minister Andrew Little says. Following discussions with applicant groups, the Crown has reviewed the existing takutai moana application ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Alcohol and Other Drug Treatment (AODT) Court opens
    The Minister of Justice, Kris Faafoi, and the Minister for Courts, Aupito William Sio, have welcomed the opening of a new Alcohol and Other Drug Treatment (AODT) Court in Hamilton. The AODT Court (Te Whare Whakapiki Wairua) addresses situations where substance abuse and offending are intertwined. “New Zealanders have told ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • EU and UK FTAs top of list for first ministerial trip since COVID-19
    Trade and Export Growth Minister Damien O’Connor today announced details of his planned visit to the United Kingdom and European Union next week, where he will hold trade and agriculture discussions to further New Zealand’s economic recovery from COVID-19. The visit will add political weight to ongoing negotiations with both the EU ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Arihia Bennett to chair Royal Commission Ministerial Advisory Group
    Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu chief executive Arihia Bennett MNZM has been appointed chair of the newly appointed Ministerial Advisory Group on the Government’s Response to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the terrorist attack on Christchurch mosques. “Twenty-eight people from diverse backgrounds across Aotearoa have been selected for the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Speech to the New Zealand Medical Association General Practitioners' Conference, Rotorua
    Ki ngā pou maha o te whare hauora o Aotearoa, kei te mihiTo the pillars of our health system I acknowledge/thank you Ki te ope hapai hauora o roto o tēnei rūma, kei te mihi To our health force here in the room today, I acknowledge/thank you He taura tangata, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Karangahape Road upgrades are streets ahead
    The upgrades to Karangahape Road makes the iconic street more pedestrian and cycle-friendly, attractive and environmentally sustainable, Transport Minister Michael Wood and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff said at the formal celebration of the completion of the Karangahape Road Enhancements project. The project included widening footpaths supporting a better outdoor dining ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Speech to APEC business event
    E ngā tumu herenga waka, ākina ā ngaru, ākina ā tai ka whakatere ngā waka ki te whakapapa pounamu, otirā, ki Tamaki o ngā waka Tena koutou katoa… To the great leaders assembled, who guided your waka through turbulent times, challenging waters and you continue to navigate your respective waka ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Pause on Quarantine Free Travel with Victoria extended
    Following an assessment of the COVID-19 outbreak in greater Melbourne, New Zealand’s Quarantine Free Travel pause with Victoria will continue for a further seven days, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says. There are now 93 cases associated with the outbreak in greater Melbourne, spread over four clusters. Contact tracing efforts ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Supplier Diversity Aotearoa Summit: Navigate 2021
    *** Check with delivery *** A mihi to all who have contributed to making today a success – starting with you! As you have explored and navigated government procurement today you will hopefully have reflected on the journey of our people so far – and how you can make a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Pukemiro School to close
    Pukemiro Primary School near Huntly will close following years of declining roll numbers, Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced today. “I’ve consulted with the School Commissioner, and this decision acknowledges the fact that the few remaining students from last term are now settled at other nearby schools. “I want to thank ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Govt acts to protect NZers from harmful content
    New Zealanders will be better protected from harmful or illegal content as a result of work to design a modern, flexible and coherent regulatory framework, Minister of Internal Affairs Jan Tinetti announced today. New Zealand currently has a content regulatory system that is comprised of six different arrangements covering some ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Consultation on exemption of new builds from proposed tax rules
    The Government has today confirmed new builds will be exempt from planned changes to the tax treatment of residential investment property.  Public consultation is now open on details of the proposals, which stop interest deductions being claimed for residential investment properties other than new builds.   “The Government’s goal is to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Speech for Predator Free 2050 Conference
    Introduction E ngā mana E ngā reo E ngā iwi Tēnā koutou katoa   Ka huri ki ngā mana whenua o te rohe nei. Tēnā koutou He mihi hoki ki a tatou kua tau mai nei i raro i te kaupapa o te rā Ko Ayesha Verrall toku ingoa No ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New stock exchange to help grow small businesses
    A new share trading market, designed as a gateway to the NZX for small-to-medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), has been granted a licence by the Government. Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister, David Clark said Catalist Markets Ltd will provide a simpler and more affordable ‘stepping stone’ for SMEs to raise capital. “This ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Visa extensions provide certainty to employers and 10,000 visa holders
    Changes to onshore visas will provide employers and visa holders with more certainty, Immigration Minister Kris Faafoi has announced. Around 10,000 Working Holiday visas and Supplementary Seasonal Employment (SSE) work visas due to expire between 21 June 2021 and 31 December 2021 will be extended for another six months to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Border class exceptions approved for more farm workers and vets
    The Government has approved border class exceptions for an additional 200 dairy workers and 50 veterinarians to enter New Zealand, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced today.  “It is clear from conversations with the dairy and veterinarian sectors that they are facing workforce pressures. These border exceptions will go a long ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • More freezers and South Island hub to support vaccine roll-out
    A South Island hub and 17 new ultra-low temperature freezers will help further prepare New Zealand for the ramp up of the vaccination programme in the second half of this year, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says. The new freezers arrived in New Zealand on 27 May. They’re currently being ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Speech at the release of Climate Change Commission's final advice
    Good morning – and thank you Prime Minister. Over the last three and half years we have been putting in place the foundations for a low-carbon Aotearoa that will be a catalyst for job creation, innovation, and prosperity for decades to come. In that future, many of our everyday tasks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Achievable blueprint for addressing climate change released
    Report says Government making good progress on emissions reduction, but more action required Meeting climate targets achievable and affordable with existing technology Economic cost of delaying action higher than taking action now Benefits from climate action include health improvements and lower energy bills All Ministers to help meet climate targets ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Speech to release of Climate Commission final report
    A few years ago in a speech in Auckland, I compared climate change to the nuclear free movement of roughly four decades ago. And I did so for a few reasons. Firstly, because the movement of the 1980s represented a life or death situation for the Pacific, and so does ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Appointment of Judge of the High Court
    Auckland Barrister Michael Robinson has been appointed a Judge of the High Court, Attorney‑General David Parker announced today. Justice Robinson graduated with a BA and an LLB (Hons) from the University of Auckland in 1996, and commenced practice as a solicitor with Brookfields in Auckland.  In 1998 he travelled to London ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government takes action to improve protections for subcontractors
    The Construction Contracts (Retention Money) Amendment Bill – which provides greater financial protection for subcontractors, has passed its first reading today. The Bill amends the retention provisions in the Construction Contracts Act 2002 (CCA) to provide increased confidence and transparency for subcontractors that retention money they are owed is safe. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • 1 million more Pfizer doses to arrive in July
    Pfizer has scheduled delivery of an estimated 1 million doses of vaccine to New Zealand during July, COVID1-9 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “These consignments will double the total number of Pfizer doses we have received this year to more than 1,900,000 – enough to fully vaccinate almost 1 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Long-term home of the Independent Children’s Monitor identified
    The Independent Children’s Monitor (Te Mana Whakamaru Tamariki Motuhake), which is currently located within the Ministry of Social Development (MSD), will become its own departmental agency within Government. “Following the recommendations of several reviews, Cabinet agreed in 2019 to build a significantly expanded independent monitor for children in care,” Carmel ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Racing Integrity Board members announced
    The new Racing Integrity Board will be up and running from July 1 to ensure high standards of animal welfare, integrity and professionalism in the racing industry. Racing Minister Grant Robertson today announced the appointments to the new Board: Sir Bruce Robertson KNZM – Chair Kristy McDonald ONZM QC Penelope ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Govt crackdown on organised crime continues
    A major operation against multiple organised crime groups with international links will make a significant dent in drug harm and violent offending linked to organised crime networks, Police Minister Poto Williams says. “I want to take an opportunity to congratulate the Police for their role in Operation Trojan Shield. This ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Farm planning framework supports farmers into the future
    A new framework, agreed between Government and industry, will make it easier for farmers and growers to integrate future greenhouse gas emissions and freshwater regulatory requirements into their farm planning, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor said. “The Good Farm Planning Principles Guide out today, provides guidance for how farmers can organise ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Enhanced Task Force Green Approved for Canterbury
    The Government has activated Enhanced Taskforce Green (ETFG) in response to the Canterbury floods. The Minister of Social Development and Employment, Hon Carmel Sepuloni says $500,000 will be made available to help with the clean-up. The flooding in Canterbury has been a significant and adverse event damaging farmland, homes, roads ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Connecting rangatahi to the soil
    A Jobs for Nature project to raise 480,000 native plants in nurseries across South Auckland will provide work for communities disproportionately affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19, Acting Conservation Minister Ayesha Verrall says. The Mana in Kaimahi project is being run by Te Whāngai Trust Board and will establish ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Roll out of high-resolution elevation mapping begins
    The first tranche of mapping data from the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF)-LiDAR project is now available to the public from Toitū Te Whenua Land Information New Zealand. LiDAR data, which creates 3D baseline elevation information, will deliver multiple uses over the coming decades to councils and regional industries. “This mapping ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Champions of Pacific education rewarded in Queen’s Birthday Honours
    Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio said the Queen’s Birthday 2021 Honours list show that across Aotearoa New Zealand there were many champions of Pacific education. “Education is so vital to the success of Pacific people that it’s truly fitting that a number of educators have been honoured this ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • PM congratulates Queen’s Birthday Honours recipients
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has added her congratulations to the New Zealanders recognised for their contributions to their communities and the country in the Queen’s Birthday 2021 Honours List. “This group represents decades of services across many areas, and those honoured highlight how many New Zealanders are going above and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Change of status for Rangiriri kura
    A change of status for Te Kura o Rangiriri sees it become a designated character school within the Māori-medium network, Associate Minister of Education Kelvin Davis announced today. “This kura has been providing Māori immersion learning since 2003 in the historic town of Rangiriri, so I’m delighted that it is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • APEC trade ministers’ unite on COVID-19 vaccine steps and rejuvenating the WTO
    APEC trade ministers today committed to speeding up the cross-border flow of vaccines and related goods to fight the COVID-19 pandemic. This followed the completion of the APEC Ministers Responsible for Trade Meeting chaired by Minister for Trade and Export Growth Damien O’Connor early this morning. “As we face the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Further consultation for Melville schools
    Formal consultation is set to begin on specific options for the future of schooling in South West Hamilton, Education Minister Chris Hipkins says. “Recent engagement has shown that the schools and community want a change to Year 7-13 schooling for the area.  “I am now asking the Boards of Melville ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Primary schoolkids dig trees for Arbor Day
    A new Arbor Day initiative announced by Forestry Minister Stuart Nash will see thousands of primary school children get the chance to plant native trees in their communities. The initiative is open to more than 2,400 primary schools. It is a partnership between Te Uru Rākau/NZ Forest Service and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago