It is possible in New Zealand to rent out squalid houses rentals .
‘‘Mouldy shoes, dripping windows, chesty colds and tenancy tribunal hearings were what one Auckland couple got with their Orakei rental property.
Dana Cornes and her partner Jonathan van Campen moved into the house in early August 2017, but struggled to feel at home in what they said were damp, cold conditions that impacted on their mental, physical and financial health.
Battling constant colds and their landlord’s reluctance to service a ventilation system led the Cornes to leaving in mid-October.’
In a detailed article by Corazon Miller, some awful statistics are presented, caused by a lack of regulation of our housing rental industry.
‘Rental properties tended to be colder, and damper than owner-occupied properties with 56 per cent of rental properties showing mould, compared to 44 per cent among private homes.
Last year a Herald report showed more children died as a result of diseases linked to cold, damp, overcrowded homes than were killed in car crashes or by drowning.
An average 20 children die and 30,000 are hospitalised every year from preventable, housing-related diseases like asthma, pneumonia and bronchiolitis, compared to ten who died in a crash or from drowning.’
I was outraged by these facts.
Luckily there were enough people outraged by the previous government’s disdain for tenants and protection of greedy and selfish landlords that we voted in a new government who promised to improve rental conditions.
The Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill is aimed to make homes warmer and drier.
A single quote mark – ‘ – indicates that you are paraphrasing. Since you are quoting directly, indicate it with double quote marks – “.
Better still, educate yourself about and start using blockquote tags so that your cut ‘n’ pastes are more obvious and easier to parse.
When you persistently make it difficult to tell which parts of your comments are authored by other people, the suspicion arises that you are doing it deliberately.
It’s a pity that these serious issues are obscured by your rude sloppy presentation.
“The country’s student union is blasting Wellington landlords for allegedly taking advantage of desperate students.
The Union of Students’ Association has had reports of rents being hiked in Wellington after the Government boosted students’ living costs.
“We have heard reports particularly here in Wellington that some landlords are taking the opportunity to increase rents because of that $50 increase,” says president Jonathan Gee.”
The interesting part is to what degree it’s happening. If landlords lift rents above people’s ability to pay, at least some of those people will end up being housed at lower rents by HNZ.
This (at least in theory) should provide downward pressure on rents.
There’s also the possibility that these actions, far from being a response to market forces are, as Twyford says, “politically motivated and self serving”. A spiteful reaction to seeing Dear Leader lose the election.
In any event, at least the National Party won’t be able to simply make people homeless anymore.
I doubt there is much (if any) political motivation in this at all. Self Serving for sure – but its not like they didnt indicate that this would be the response in advance.
of course it might just be a commercial reaction to this governments plans for rentals and the state of the market – when there are a lot less rentals – you can charge more for them:
It’s been one of the problems with accommodation supplement as well.
Government says they will increase by $30-00 per week.
Landlord puts rent up by $30-00 per week.
Tenant now worse off by $9-00 per week because it’s only a 70% subsidy to the person being paid it.
The subsidisation of rents should never have been opened up to people not on benefit in the 90’s.
Elderly people I know says the same thing happens with the lawn mowing and gardening. The government announces an increase and the person doing the lawns puts their price up to match.
In many cases the persons other medical costs have increased as well so the person is again worse off and doesn’t benefit from the increase at all.
Profiteering at the expense of the poor and elderly.
@AOB – What HNZ rentals??? Huge waiting list at HNZ which has put low income people into the private sector rentals where they don’t belong or in more costly emergency housing like motels or without a rental at all and homeless. As far as I’m aware most students don’t get HNZ rentals anyway unless they have other issues like being a single parent or disabled.
New legislation on rentals was always going to increase the cost of rentals. I have an elderly relative who has some rentals and he has them managed. It has cost him hundreds of dollars just on smoke alarms and a firm to manage maintaining them. It’s thousands for the insulation. Personally I think that mandatory smoke alarms are a good idea, but apparently they need to last 8 years etc etc so many people have to throw out the existing ones and redo it. Many of the ideas are ok, until they get to the legislation and practical reality, then it is as cumbersome as possible. Insulation for example – read a new tenancy application and work out how much work it would be to certify the insulation for each room and then do that each tenancy. Then look at the P legislation which is so complicated and impractical it’s causing evictions, empty houses and massive amounts of money and rentals being empty while being ‘decontaminated’. It’s not good for tenants or landlords having it that way.
They should have incorporated the shortage into the situation like only having rents over $400 p/w have to be insulated etc so that there was still some reason for cheap rentals to be available. The reality is, that if it is too expensive to run a rental for the amount of rent and improvements needed, then the landlord will not rent the property. For most people it is better to have a roof over there heads than not having a roof at all and the “disgusting cold damp” villas seemed to do the job for the silent and boomer generations where nobody have even heard of insulation.
A lot of people posting seemed to have zero idea the costs of getting tradespeople out to do work on houses (if you can get them) which in many cases will not be worth it for the amount of work required to upgrade them for renting. I think ED posted that 45 – 55% of houses are damp in NZ so that’s a lot of houses that need upgrading and it seems highly likely that the cost will be passed on to renters. If you had a rental in the wops returning a small rent with difficult tenants, would you really want to spend $25,000 on upgrading it, or will you just sell it? Apparently some of the small towns that have the least rentals now.
One of the most popular houses for renting on bookabach is uninsulated, being a simple log cabin. Not everyone is as exited by insulation as the bureaucrats.
What HNZ rentals? The ones that the NZLP has promised (and has a track record to match) to build.
Can they fix the National Party’s deliberate sadistic vandalism overnight? Hardly. Personally I’d approach the housing crisis by declaring a state of emergency and requisitioning ghost houses.
But I’m not the NZLP, and they intend to increase state housing stock, and this will provide downward pressure on rents.
Of course, as you say, “Twyford said he’d be keeping an eye on this”.
The problem is that the poor fellow hasn’t the faintest idea what he is supposed to do. Life in Government isn’t nearly as easy as it seems from the Opposition benches.
What Phil is now doing is the opposite of Lord Nelson’s action at the Battle of Copenhagen.
Phil has raised his telescope to his blind eye and announced ‘Nothing to see here, time to move on’
Nelson of course did it because he wished to be more aggressive. Phil is doing it because he wants to hide.
Don’t expect any action out of him.
I have heard that Phil has been using his time to rewrite the history of the New Zealand Labour Party. I thought that John A Lee was kicked out of the Party for attacking then leader Michael Joseph Savage for not being suitably Socialist. According to Phil it was because “John A LEE must have been Chinese and they didn’t allow Chinese people into the Party”
I have heard that you and Tanz have animal husbandry sessions together, or is that a flaccid partisan smear, just like yours?
A piece of dogshit in a suit would do a better job than Nick Smith or anyone else the National Party can muster.
So Twyford can hardly help but be a vast improvement. It’s just a pity he will have to spend so much time cleaning up the incontinent mess you voted for.
I actually find that I agree with part of each of these paragraphs.
I can agree with “is that a flaccid partisan smear”. Well yes it is but you seem fond of saying such things.
“A piece of dogshit in a suit would do a better job than Nick Smith”. Certainly. It is long past time for him to go.
“Twyford can hardly help”. Quite true. He simply isn’t much use for anything is he?
The rest of the words you used were, I’m sorry to have to say, total rubbish.
As I’m sure you Primary School teacher no doubt wrote on your Report.
“Must try harder”
Young relatives renting in Nelson have just been asked to front a 16% rent increase after 12 months of renting – and the current rent is by no means cheap. No improvement in the house – just greedy grabbing because they think they can.
We need to legislate rent controls urgently. I think that allowing this type of gouging does little to encourage people to build more houses – just inflates the price of the existing ones.
My niece was looking at a campus-area flat, the landlord immediately grew nervous when her parents came in as well. “It’s an old flat”. Fair call – but the mould around the sink bench was pretty old, too. The guy didn’t even clean between tenants.
Aaaaaand being a kid, the niece still moved in despite advice. Parasites feeding on the young and inexperienced.
The first words of this post is to show the trolls who assumed that I got beat when I was a child and that all of us Maori culture people treasure our children and Moko.
I have never called anyone a white honkey this is what I was called .
Are your sandfly m8 putting the presser on you trolls to try and damage my Mana .Because all you trolls do is attack my post and everyone else can see this plan as day Ana to kai .
And it is obvious that the second part is to highlight the plight of OUR ladys and to support the cause of Equality for all . Its good having the trolls this give us all the dum ass neoliberal views. Don’t they know that we can read there intentions just by the way they write .
I say Opra Winfrey would make a excellent candidate for President big yes from ECO MAORI . Ka kite ano
I have never called anyone a white honkey this is what I was called
That’s what I thought you were saying – thanks.
If the ‘sandflies’ (I think that means the cops, or the establishment) start trying to tell me what to do I’ll let you know. Anything else is my own bias.
I like your comments, although they take a bit of getting used to. So does Shakespeare 😉
Don’t feel hassled, eco maori – those of us who are used to your comments knew what you were saying. James (deliberately?) misunderstood and he has his own motives for that.
Now I said that I did not get hit when I was a child our grown ups did not beat our young .But I did see some pissed men beat there partners this upset me I would go hide and when the verbal abuse started white honky I would go hide outside alcohol was part of the equation in both scenarios .
Many Thanks to Oprah Winfrey for supporting the ladys who have spoken out about there abuse by men and for Equality for all people Ka pai heres a link to her story at the Golden Globes.
Regardless – dosnt make using that term ok – or are you ok with people using racist terms?
[you’re on a left aligned political blog. The onus is on you to (a) make an effort to understand someone’s comment rather than just having a go, and (b) to understand political arguments around issues like race so you can argue against them (if that’s what you want to do). All I see is you trolling. Up your game, because this is getting tedious – weka]
In fairness – I have tried to understand the original post in which the comment was made. It is hard to understand, but from what I could take out from it it was the ‘white honky’ who was the perpetrator of the verbal abuse.
There is really no excuse for the term – whilst its no as offensive (or have the same horrific background) as other racial slurs – it is still one.
Racial slurs against anybody are not OK – and Im kind of shocked that others seem to think that it is OK.
Surely what ever the context of a post, and despite it being a troll who rightfully in my opinion calls it out, “white honkey” should be treated the same as the N word and other racial slurs.
It’s going to be a clear double standard in moderating if some idiot uses slope, chink, monkey etc in a post and gets pulled up and banned for it.
Wouldn’t it just be best to remove the term used above and warn that all racial derogatives are unacceptable in their usage here?
The ‘n’ word and the other epithets you mention do real harm. I’m not sure the same can be said of “honky”: it – like “pale, male, stale” doesn’t exacerbate or validate any systemic disadvantage.
Can we agree that whether it’s “offensive” or not is irrelevant?
I don’t doubt that it’s not as offensive, to some, as the N word, but it isn’t meant as a term of endearment.
It’s a term that carries a negative impact, based on skin colour, and for me is therefore just as unacceptable to use, especially here where equality should be the goal of all left wingers.
Pale, male and stale is not really a concern, but permitting the usage of white honkey, clearly race hate speech, does the standard no favours.
How offensive it is has no relevance. Some people get all whiny at “wingnut”.
According to a strict definition of racism, ‘honky’ isn’t racist, because it carries no implications of biologically determined superiority. Whether it has a negative impact depends entirely on context at the individual level.
I’m glad I’m not required to make a moderation ruling on the subject 🙂
I’d remove such comments and possibly ban off the back of it. (It depends.)
Thing you seem to be missing about racism is that it’s used by the powerful (or those associated with the powerful) against the less powerful or powerless (or those associated with being less powerful or powerless)
So “white honky” then, is a ineffectual slur. Nothing more.
You can no doubt make up some combination of shit that is never used that will press a “you’ve fucked me off now” button by and by.
Not sure you want to do that, but hey.
edit – and if you think power as expressed by the relative position of moderator/commenter on a blog is indicative of social relations, I suggest you go away and have a think about things.
I don’t respect you, or accept your authority over me at all.
You’ve shown yourself to be biased and unfair on numerous occasions. You’re neither balanced or equitable.
You know full well nothing I say or do will have any affect on the outcome you seek whatsoever. Seems like your often observed bias gives you a pre disposition to punish those who you can’t beat or control and protect or gratify those you support or those who pay you lip service.
As someone who’s been on the receiving end of Bill’s bans more than once, I sympathise with your feelings, and on this occasion I think you’re flat wrong.
I don’t think you’re giving the counter-argument much thought.
‘Honky’ isn’t equivalent to white supremacist rhetoric, because of the power imbalance. The answer to your question is a question: does this rhetoric enable or support white supremacy?
Because white supremacy is a thing. Being called a honky isn’t.
My opinion on Bill is set in granite. There is no wriggle room available.
As regards ‘white honky’ not being equal to supremacist rhetoric, sure, I’ve said as much up thread and accept the distinction.
I respect your right to your opinion, for you to call me wrong, though ultimately I do disagree with your conclusion for the following reason.
The points being made (obviously unsuccessfully) is allowing race based slurs, what ever the degree of offensiveness, perceived or otherwise, regardless of who posts them, is not a road the standard needs to be travelling.
Moderating one instance of race based insults differently from another, based on the skin colour of the victim or abuser, is an ill thought out, backwards misstep and nowhere the predominant left wing site in NZ needs to be.
I’m okay with being in a minority (no pun intended) on this issue, but I do ask fellow lefties to think about it before they post any race based insults or slurs.
Fair enough: it’s probably easier from a moderation perspective to excise all such terms rather than parsing the context every time. I note that this is exactly what Bill proposes (above at 3:39pm).
The context is important to the debate though, especially when the context is James paying lip service to human rights.
James is a right wing troll playing games with posters with a paucity of foresight and self control. He’s irrelevant, especially to the topic at hand.
I agree it would be best if moderators acted uniformly across the board, but if that isn’t going to happen, as it appears it won’t seeing as the comment is still there and no ‘please explain’ has been issued, then it must be a collective conscious effort to ensure this doesn’t become the norm.
There has been numerous debates here about context and privilege and racial slurs, and it may be of worth in this discussion if you can go back and read some of them.
Many regular authors and commenters have comprehensively explained why there is a marked difference in naming racism when it is practiced by those in power, compared to those without.
Just for ease of search, one of my comments on a December post may give a different perspective to you. (But as mentioned, many others here are very good at explaining. OAB is trying in this thread, but it is not apparent that you are taking time to read and consider what he is saying before hitting reply.)
Quoting myself – do I use quotes? – 👿
“I think you may be acutely aware of the “picking on white men”, because it is not often demographics in acknowledged positions of power get to experience what it is to be considered in terms primarily of race or gender – rather than as an individual.
But this happens consistently for people of colour and females.
I understand that those who use the term, often use it as a call to those in power – most usually – white males – to consider their privilege.
When those people in power – or those who are looking to acquire it – lump all women, māori or LGBT people together, they are reinforcing their status – not acknowledging the disparity.
Both the intent and the consequences are different.
A child telling their parent to go to their room, has only the words to call attention to bad behaviour. The parent carries the authority, emotional and physical power to enforce compliance.
I see up thread the white honkey remark has been explained as a received abusive insult, which obviously has had a lasting effect on the recipient. Shame.
But regardless of that, thanks for the post.
I, like all decent left leaning people, welcome the exposing and eradication of white/male privilege, in fact all privilige. It’s part of the job description, isn’t it?
But this isn’t a white privilege type incident, it a race based insult let loose and unchecked.
A google search of honky gives “a derogatory term used by black people for a white person or for white people collectively.” and the wiki https://www.google.com/search?q=honky&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b “a racist, derogatory word for white people”
I’m happy to let it go, but think there are no valid reasons for allowing or excusing this sort of comment on the standard.
Said my bit, so will still leave it up for the community to sort itself out.
Thanks for the reply, unioncitygreens. But a final point to make….
“Surely what ever the context of a post, and despite it being a troll who rightfully in my opinion calls it out, “white honkey” should be treated the same as the N word and other racial slurs.”
The N word has historical implications of slavery, the regard of people as property – ie. a thing, not human and when used – both emotively and viscerally brings up those associations.
The term “white honkey” – even if as you say is a derogatory term, calls to my mind – for some reason – a European guy in flared trousers and a wide brimmed hat.
The intent of the first is to belittle and deny personhood. The consequence of universal use of this term can be viewed in history, and it is all bad.
The intent of the second is usually to say “your perspective is white, and you are not seeing our lived experience”. The consequence of universal use of this this term is discomfort, which unfortunately may lead to violence. But that violence is often perpetrated by those who feel the discomfort – not those calling them out.
I used to have difficulty understanding the concept that racism can not be practised by minorities, and while I still find the phrasing simplistic, I find that it is not as hard to grasp as before.
Looking at context, intent and consequences goes a long way to help provide differentiation.
Climate change is impacting on New Zealand’s weather patterns.
Expect more storms, expect more flooding,
But don’t worry New Zealand you’re going to get some nice summers.
Now go back to sleep.
Keep buying your iPhones
Keep eating your steaks
Keep driving your urban 4wds
Keep taking your international holidays
Buy
Consume
And go back to sleep.
Flax? Far too sophisticated, technologically challenging, and quite inappropriate for his profound temporal ignorance.
I think it was more likely to be of some form of wattle and daub construction with strong (and pungent) glue of his prolific crap to match his sustained DIY effect in constructing his unmatched bullshit.
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Yeah we are going to get more extreme weather. This will result in some extreme insurance rates. But Ed’s list of woes bears little to no relationship to the actual major drivers of climate change. Where is the electricity generation, the manufacture of concrete, pollution of the oceans causing degradation of the sequestration mechanisms, and the deforestation?
Instead Ed concentrates on the relatively innocuous (apart from the air travel) because of his unsuspected (ny himself) ideological bigotries and because he is too lazy to spend time to actually understand the topic that he is talking about. Almost a parody of concern….
If you have read my posts on climate change , you will see I reference our whole economic system as the problem.
And yes, as a society, we are asleep to the severity of the various crises we are facing as a result of climate change.
And I fear our reaction will be too little too late.
Clearly you don’t believe me.
Listen to Dr Kevin Anderson, Naomi Klein, George Monbiot.
How do you feel? Knowing the site admin has called you for
“his unsuspected (ny himself) ideological bigotries and because he is too lazy to spend time to actually understand the topic that he is talking about”
Surely those drivers are underpinned by a consumer society / doctrine of endless growth
.Plastic (in most cases the detritus of consumer goods packaging) in the ocean, agricultural run off resulting in dead zones, are the major causes of sea pollution
The vast areas of the Earth now given over to meat production has hugely driven deforestation, soil degradation and erosion, and methane release.
What is driving increases in energy consumption?
In a global economy that is dependent on eternal growth, needs are eclipsed by wants, to drive eternal consumption
I always find mention of concrete with respect to climate change an interesting topic.
At the moment, yes it is a huge contributor to current anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. Around 5% by most credible looking estimates. Around half of that is from burning coal for process heat, and around half is the CO2 given off during the calcination process in making the cement.
But some of the CO2 given off during calcination gets reabsorbed back into the concrete over its lifetime, maybe decades or centuries.
When we get to the point of requiring zero carbon emissions, the process heat requirements can easily be supplied by renewable electricity. The CO2 given off during calcination should be easy to capture, and hopefully a variety of viable sequestering methods will become available for the various cement-making locations around the world.
So with a combination of renewables supplying the process heat and sequestering the CO2 from calcination, concrete production has the potential to go from being a large emitter to being a smallish slow-but-steady carbon sink.
Without googling the specifics, the life-span of concrete is something in the order of 50-100 years, which surely renders it useless as a viable carbon sink.
The CO2 is absorbed as a carbonation reaction in the concrete, so it’s permanently sequestered. When a concrete structure is demolished and crushed, it actually increases the absorption rate by increasing the surface area to volume ratio, and shortening the path length from the surface to uncarbonated concrete.
…and I think the ETS should be scrapped and replaced by a carbon tax, which should accurately reflect carbon footprints, and that carbon footprints should be calculated according to the facts.
If Zhu Liu et al stands up to further study why shouldn’t it be part of those calculations?
PS: it looks like leaks from natural gas facilities and fracking contribute a lot more atmospheric methane that previously understood. I think farmers should be making noises about this with regard to their own liabilities too (once they start taking responsibility for them, that is).
Yeah, you’re right. I have a serious kneejerk reaction to industries that are still major coal users.
In any case, looks to me like crediting for slow sequestering being done some time in the future at a variable rate is a conversation that can comfortably wait until we have a carbon pricing scheme that’s got enough teeth to actually affect business decisions.
There’s gnarly questions like do you apply a different rate to concrete used in a hydro dam that’s tens of metres thick and may be there for centuries and won’t be fully carbonated for millenia, vs concrete used in porous paver slabs where it all happens in years? Whereas the emissions are happening now and affecting people and climate now.
But if the industry gets serious about emissions and eliminates fossil fuels, and starts capturing and sequestering CO2 from calcination, then I’ll start getting enthusiastic about crediting them for their product sequestering CO2 into the future.
Those remarks are cruel and cutting OAB and Iprent. Where is your meaningful contribution? Or is cutting personal comments it?
As a concerned layperson I would like to know more than I do about climate change. I notice rude and precious remarks if any but a few comment here about their concerns regarding weather or climate.
We are all at different levels of ability, and impatient sarcasm is rather grating in this arena. Googling provides a variety of opinions and facts, sometimes leading to more confusion not less.
Ed is saying we are asleep at the wheel. Well the open letters from scientists warning us of the growing dangers in the human element of climate change seem to support his view. They appear desperate to awaken us.
So I wonder why you try to close such discussion down with your withering attacks? Now I am probably going to get a nasty spray.
I can’t speak for Lprent. For my part, I think that sloppy presentation of dubious assertions is an easy target for opposition talking points and ridicule.
This obscures and hampers informed argument and opinion, and makes substantive positive change less likely.
So the reason I give Ed a serve is because I think his behaviour ‘comforts the enemy’.
Thank you Patricia.
I was surprised by the hostility of the comments I received.
New Zealand is still incredibly complacent about the severity of the impacts climate change will have and seems unwilling to make any sacrifices to mitigate those effects.
I find quite a few people in this site ( and not just the predictable trolls) seem to want to stop discussion of this subject.
Don’t be surprised, Ed. You’ll swiftly become accustomed to it. A noxious brew of snark and pretentiousness is the beverage of choice for some folk. Once you learn to tune them out, you’ll find your time here improves immeasurably.
It says Open Mike.
I am keen to share stories from the news that I believe are important.
Some of these are
Climate change.
NZ’s environment and waterways
A plant based diet, climate change and ‘speciesism’
Alcohol’s impact on New Zealand
The connection between neoliberalism and so many of the crises facing New Zealand – inequality, obesity, housing, ….
Sure. It’s Open Mike. Fill your boots, mate. Just be aware the fact it’s Open Mike doesn’t preclude the possibility of you being dog-piled for any one of a number of spurious reasons.
Courtesy of Urban Dictionary: Dogpile
“A disagreement on an Internet message board wherein one person says something wrong or offensive, and a large number of people comment in response to tell the person how wrong and/or horrible they are, and continue to disparage the original commenter beyond any reasonable time limit.”
The best serious source for Climatology is Real Climate, authored by Climate scientists, and presented for more of a ‘lay’ audience than peer-reviewed material.
If you’re looking for something a bit more in-depth, Prof. David Archer’s free undergraduate level course “Climate 101” isn’t available any more, but all the lectures and course materials are. If you’re interested in the science of AGW I highly recommend having a good look at them 🙂
I do think ed takes up a lot of commenting space, with a lot of comments, without adding a lot of depth to the discussion – just seems like attention getting. I tend to scroll past a lot of them.
Fewer comments with more thought behind them would add more to the discussion.
Ed irritates the shit out of me, too. Because he keeps spamming us with the same stuff over and over and over again. On the rare occasions he points to something new, he’s generally not particularly discriminating about sources, just copying and pasting screeds of stuff from someone ‘interpreting’ for a wider audience. Usually the new interesting stuff backed by credible science gets posted here by someone else directly watching the credible sources.
Those links posted by OAB are good. My fave is Skeptical Science, that features in the sidebar quite a bit. They have good easy-to-find sections about the history of understanding climate, faqs about bullshit denier arguments etc.
Like Rachel Stewart, I’m as mad as hell about the state of our waterways.
‘Can’t wait to see what the new Govt’s gonna’ do about water. Because whatever it is, the public have reached their limit. No bigger mandate for action than that.,’
I am like 75 percent of New Zealanders , who are extremely or very concerned about the pollution of our waterways.’
Like Martin Taylor of Fish and Game, I’m outraged by the state of our waterways.
‘”When you can’t swim in Lake Taupō because of the toxic alert it remains in front of the public eye.
“When you have to cancel an international sporting event in Taupō because of water quality, when Lake Ellesmere is so toxic that it’s going to kill your pet – it will remain in the public eye,” he said.
Mr Taylor said 2018 needed to be the year of change from both the government and the corporate dairy industry.
Mr Taylor said 2018 needed to be the year of change from both the government and the corporate dairy industry.
Those are not your own words, yet you present them as though they are. That’s called “plagiarism”. You may recall paying lip service to IP rights when the National Party stole Eminem’s property the way you just stole RNZ’s
Goodness me!
Sounds like a parody of a school report
Ed’s posts can be seen as opening up a discussion about the drivers of climate change.
You attempt to shut him down on grounds of grammar
To continue the conversation about what we can do about mitigating climate change.
My source is Wikipedia.
“Lifestyle and behavior
The IPCC Fifth Assessment Report emphasises that behaviour, lifestyle and cultural change have a high mitigation potential in some sectors, particularly when complementing technological and structural change. In general, higher consumption lifestyles have a greater environmental impact. Several scientific studies have shown that when people, especially those living in developed countries but more generally including all countries, wish to reduce their carbon footprint, there are four key “high-impact” actions they can take:
1. Not having an additional child (58.6 tonnes CO2-equivalent emission reductions per year)
2. Living car-free (2.4 tonnes CO2)
3. Avoiding one round-trip transatlantic flight (1.6 tonnes)
4. Eating a plant-based diet (0.8 tonnes)
I’m not trying to shut him down. I’m trying to get him to format his comments so that they’re clearer and more legible, because right now all they do is get in the way.
OAB clearly lacks self awareness, self control and self discipline…
As can be witnessed through the bullying, stalker tactics employed on a daily basis, against ‘the enemy’…
Despite being banned and called out as an abusive bully on a regular basis, OAB relentlessly continues on, essentially using the same approach OAB accuses and ‘ridicules’ Ed and others for using by ‘stifling debate’
Projection, hypocrisy and abuse are the primary ‘weapons’ of choice
Thanks again Ed for waking the sleepy hobbits up to the reality that we all are wrecking our future and our kids and grand-kids too.
At least Shane Jones has vowed to reopen the Napier/Wairoa section of our East coast railway again now.
Reducing many trucks from overusing our energy and polluting our planet with 5 times the emissions that rail would do carting the same freight the same distance.
Minister promises talks with Wairoa on rail line
by Ann Revington, Wairoa Star Published: January 8, 2018 11:00AM
IT WILL be a red letter day for Wairoa when the Napier to Wairoa rail line is reopened, Minister of Forestry Shane Jones said in Parliament.
His words came during the second reading of the Wairoa Treaty Settlement bill.
“For the people of Wairoa who whakapapa to this area, I want to make you this promise,” he said.
“That the provincial fund regional development minister, delegated KiwiRail authority, is coming to talk with the regional council to reopen the railway from Wairoa to Napier.”
Mr Jones said when that happened, they would make a tremendous day of it.
“The challenges for these groups in provincial New Zealand do not diminish just because we are affirming both the ills and the course of our history, but they carry on well after the passage of this legislation.”
Twelve members from both sides of the House spoke in support during the second reading of Te Iwi and Hapu of Te Rohe o Te Wairoa Claims Settlement Bill.
The bill’s first reading for the fourth-largest settlement in the country was on March 14.
The second reading related to the settlement — and an apology — of a treaty claim by iwi and hapu of Te Rohe o Te Wairoa, where the Crown recognised the iwi and hapu of Te Rohe o Te Wairoa had long sought to right the injustices they had suffered at the hands of the Crown, and was deeply sorry that it had failed until now to address the injustices appropriately.
Hopefully they’ll reopen it and start the electrification of it as well. If they do that then the boost in employment and training would be massive and hugely beneficial.
An excellent piece from John King describing the growing (forgive the pun) movement of “Regenerative Farming” in Australia.
Hard lessons taught by Nature have forced a rethink…
“Why do farmers leave behind science, support, and certainty of modern advice to do what is considered counter-intuitive?
Rob Rex charged into chemical farming in the mid 80s when no-till was all the rage in Western Australia. Within 10 years he was fighting new production problems but it wasn’t until he took a break at his holiday house at Walpole River that it really hit home. The family loved to go down and pull mud oysters from the estuary, filling up a super sack in 30 minutes to cook at home. But that all changed in 95 when after a wet winter every oyster was dead, along with freshwater prawns. What frustrates him is how other farmers have a salesman mentality – once anything runs down the creek it’s gone.”
Phew this page is doing my head in this morning. Surely all comments about climate change, whether they be academic or emotional should be accepted with the grace they have been submitted. The situation of planet earth is dire and we should be all trying to do our bit to right the wrongs this planet is suffering from.
Stop trying to interrupt the flow of discussion with your nit picking about cutting and pasting and other such drivel – its counter productive – and it sounds like there are some on this site who don’t think there is anything toxic going on with the climate at all the way they are nit picking which is a real worry all on its own.
Thank you Kate.
I was surprised by the ferocity of the comments I received.
New Zealand is still incredibly complacent about the severity of the impacts climate change will have and seems unwilling to make any sacrifices to mitigate those effects.
I don’t think OAB or others are deniers, WK. They seem pretty clued up about climate. They shouldn’t be so negative and personal when responding to someone who’s putting his concerns in front of us, though. After all, that’s what the Open Mike section is for.
Ed, I do think it would help you to avoid this kind of negativity if you looked at how to give people links without cutting and pasting big sections of text. There’s advice about this on the FAQ section of the site. This can also help with things like using italics (which is a good way of making it clear when you are quoting). I found this sections of the site really useful when I wanted to improve my formatting.
When you start formatting comments so they’re legible, pertinent and contain some original material, I’ll stop asking you to improve their format, relevance and accuracy. If you find that aggressive I’d hate to think what would happen if I started criticising you, rather than your behaviour.
You speak for yourself, I don’t find him difficult to understand. Not everybody has to be a policy wonk/geek/arrogant academic/pedantic in this world to contribute to this page or people like Ed who contribute.
No-one is obliged to take my advice whatsoever. I’m not alone in my opinion of Ed’s contributions – cf: Lprent Andre and Carolyn’s remarks above, and R/B’s advice to match my own.
Over the last few weeks, Ed and his groupies have taken to calling me a right wing climate denying troll. If you think that’s going to just pass by unremarked you’re sadly mistaken.
I’m not alone in my opinion of Ed’s contributions – cf: Lprent Andre and Carolyn’s remarks above, and R/B’s advice to match my own.
Add me to that list. If someone’s pasting external content into a comment it needs to be linked and it needs to be formatted so that its clearly differentiated from the commenter’s own words. There should also be some explanation of why the commenter is drawing it to our attention and what their thoughts on it are. If a person can’t be arsed with those courtesies or regards them as a menu of options to choose from, they can expect to cop some flak, especially if they post a lot.
It’s not pedantry to want to be able to distinguish the cut and paste content that might be interesting from the hyperbolic and often barely related commentary ed likes to add.
“Phew this page is doing my head in this morning” Mine too, Whispering Kate. I’m getting really distressed with the appalling rudeness and constant derailment. I value good grammar, but I value good manners even higher. And why oh why do people keep answering known trollers?
9 The Chairman. If a politician leaves/ goes against his party he/she was elected to represent without leave, of course they should lose office and have to go back to the voters.
If I was employed to implement a business programme and ran counter to that I would be sacked. The rest is semantics.
But businesses are generally not democratically-run organisations, are they?
In politics there should be room, a lot of room in fact, for personal conscience & integrity (cue: Jim Anderton). To a degree, this can be seen as ‘self-interest’. The question to me is where self-interest stops aligning with that of the people you’re supposed to represent and becomes more of a solo/egotistical act, for want of a better description. In other words, all actions of a political representative operate within a dynamic continuum (i.e. on a spectrum) of individual/personal & social/collective imperatives. [Yes, I made that up myself in case someone wondered and starts asking for a link 😉 ]
Anderton left Labour under FPP. He was elected to represent an electorate, and we continued to elect him as our rep after he left. He was a bloody good local MP and his local electorate supported him.
Under FPP there was not concept of proportionality – the government was simply formed by the party which had won the most electorates. Sometimes that wasn’t the party which had won the most votes.
I guess there’s a case to make about treating electorate and list MPs differently if they leave the party – you could argue that electorate MPs have an individual mandate and list MPs don’t. Either way, proportionality is upset, though (particularly if it’s a small party).
It’s true that there was an irony in Anderton (Labour-New Labour-Alliance-Progressive) championing the last waka jumping bill, but let’s remember the rash of waka jumping that had really distorted those early MMP parliaments (“the Tight Five”, Alamein Kopu… naked self interest and betrayal of the people who elected them). And while the the split in the Alliance was ugly and damaging (and the pretence of staying with the party during the parliamentary term while setting up the Progressives was somewhat shabby), it was more than just one or two MPs going off on their own and I don’t think it was just self interest or egotism. I also doubt that 60% of the caucus would have voted for expulsion (but who knows?).
Proportionality may not be as big an issue as some make it out to be; it comes across as self-serving at times …
Politics is messy & ugly at times and so it should be. Governments do fall from time to time and so it should be. Countries can and do run themselves while politicians sort out their ‘differences’; often it is down to internal party politics more than anything.
We (humans) seem to resist change and upsetting status quo and tend to lean towards (wilful) ignorance & indecisiveness, laziness, apathy & lethargy (inaction), and denial to name a few and this is nowhere more obvious than in the so-called public-political realm (cue: Hannah Arendt).
I secretly (!) admire rebels & renegades although they can be a real pain in the proverbial, especially in the ‘heat of the moment’. When the dust settles it is usually BAU in a slightly different way and/or environment; I think this is o.k. – small vs. big picture stuff 😉
…there’s a case to make about treating electorate and list MPs differently if they leave the party – you could argue that electorate MPs have an individual mandate and list MPs don’t. Either way, proportionality is upset, though (particularly if it’s a small party).
The proportionality of Parliament can be preserved in both cases. A list MP who leaves their party can simply be replaced by another list MP.
Where an electorate MP switches parties, list MPs could be brought in to preserve proportionality. That would create an overhang, but I think that’s preferable to allowing National Party bribery to carry the day.
To genuinely retain the proportionality you would also have to take some other actions when an Electorate seat changes hands in a by-election.
If a non-MP from an already represented Party wins a seat you would have to remove one of their existing List MPs. Otherwise, not only would that Party get an extra MP but the original Party that lost the seat would lose one.
If an existing MP won the seat you would have to give the party losing the seat an extra List member but not add a new list one to the party that now held the electorate.
What should you do if there is an Electoral Petition and an otherwise unrepresented party wins the seat? Do they get a few other List MPs as they now hold an electorate? And do some of the existing List MPs get the chop a year after they took their seats.
No. I think that you have to have some finality to an election. You can’t just keep changing the MPs for the next three years to reflect odd variations in the events long after the result was “final”.
Waka-jumping is fundamentally different from by-elections, because by-elections invoke the will of the electorate, whereas waka-jumping thwarts the will of the electorate.
Obviously the best solution would be for the National Party to behave more ethically, and since that’s never going to happen, needs must.
I quite agree that they are different. However the principle of maintaining the proportionality of Parliament still applies. If you believe it matters if someone leaves their party it should also matter after a by-election.
You second paragraph is rubbish. They are at least as ethical as any of the other parties in Parliament, and more so that a couple of them.
A Waka-jumping law would of course have meant that Jim Anderton would have been kicked out of Parliament in 1989. He couldn’t have hung around for 18 months could he?
Winston Peters, and Tariana Turia at least had the grace to resign and run in the subsequent by-elections.
I don’t expect you to agree, but you will nonetheless struggle to provide evidence of anything as perfidious as the behaviour exposed by The Hollow Men or Dirty Politics. Nor will you find the Law Society warning the UN about other parties undermining the rule of law.
The principle of maintaining the proportionality of Parliament doesn’t apply in by-elections at all, so that’s a red herring.
I think I can probably come up with a more substantive list of “cons” for this proposal than you’re managing.
Chief of which is the fact that MPs are elected and laws that interfere with that need a bloody good reason to do so. The National Party’s behaviour provides that reason.
alwyn, let’s remember that Anderton left Labour before MMP. Proportionality didn’t apply.
There are plenty of discussions to be had about how to ensure that the will of the electorate isn’t subjugated to the impulses/decisions (or even consciences) of individual MPs. It could be argued that after a by-election there is a new mandate (ie, the electorate has had fresh input).
OAB, the fact that electorate MPs are counted when overall numbers are calculated means the issue of proportionality remains (mostly if the parties that lose or gain MPs are small).
I’m not opposed in principal to a waka-jumping law.
I realise that a by-election can affect the proportionality of Parliament: after all, they’re often regarded as a popularity test for the incumbent government.
However, they differ from waka-jumping in one significant respect: the will of (at least some of) the people is involved.
I think the case for annulling the will of an individual electorate (to return Ms. Smith to Parliament) is a lot weaker than if list MP Ms. Smith accepts inducements from Stephen Joyce and switches sides.
Interesting is the (singular) anecdotal story about the teenage girl in spain asking for a light for her ciggie from a bunch of teenage boys whilst topless; and the boys acted sensibly… It is almost like humans can control their own thoughts and emotions… given the reactions in NZ over “glittertit-gate” you would think us males at least were driven by the need to touch boobies
Interesting to read and hear speculation from the States that Oprah Winfrey may be considering running for President…
Her speech at the Golden Globes last night was certainly moving. I don’t like the idea that rich amateurs can ride on a wave of fame into the Oval Office, and Winfrey’s TV show was (as I recall) often pulpy feel-good pseudotherapy, but hey – she’d be better than Trump! 🙄
Personally, I think she’d be a terrible choice for the Democrats.
After the Trump train weck, I’d say Americans will be screaming out for a stable experienced politician that actually knows how politics/ diplomacy work, not another egotistical billionaire/ TV star.
New Zealand of course elected John Key’s government , at least partly on the basis of his being rich and new to politics – but most New Zealanders would I am sure agree that he was not as obviously destructive to the country and his own party as Trump.
Too early to tell really, trump may not last a second term and has a difficult legislature to negotiate while on his first term. His damage may be more outside of the USA as it was pretty screwed internally way before he arrived.
Whereas Shonky/Blinglish had 3 terms of wrecking ball behaviour commencing with their initial 90 days of across the board snip here, cut there, hobble everywhere. Maori Party duly assisted and paid the price at the recent GE.
Time will tell, particularly the legacy in Health, Education, Water Quality and infrastructure as they started precious little major Infrastructure, except roads for their civil/trucking backers.
Systemic rail closure/under investment under national including the removal of lines through inaction (Gisbourne). The deliberate use of housing to game the economy has locked out many kiwis from home ownership. There’s a couple of destructive actions for the economy off the top of my head.
So lets see how it plays out shall we as we continue to discover the reality hidden by an owned media and a cowered public service.
Oh and please remember they started with nett ZERO crown debt and we grew about 12% during their tenure as context to show why Health is 30% under funded currently as one example.
He wasn’t really that “new to politics”. He had been 6 years in Parliament and had been Leader of the Opposition for about 2 years.
That was about 1 year less as an MP and 1 year more as Opposition Leader than David Lange. Pretty similar and certainly not what I would call “new to politics”
He wasn’t like Trump or Winfrey.
I suppose you would also have to consider that Dwight Eisenhower, in my view the best President of my lifetime, was new to electoral politics when he became President in 1952. Didn’t seem to be a problem there.
Fair how you rank him highly, but Eisenhower had had pretty good experience ranked just below Commander In Chief , and had commanded the entire allied forces in both war and reconstruction, so had pretty good experience in a core part of the job of President, that of Commander-In-Chief.
Well, Harding won 1920 in a landslide with a “Return to Normalcy” campaign. While he stayed fairly popular up until he karked it, history hasn’t been kind.
When the present system isn’t working then having someone who knows how politics/ diplomacy work and just reinforces the broken system is probably not the best option.
From @chucktodd's interview with Wolff and other things he's said, it's clear how this book happened— and the way he punked them. 1/— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) January 7, 2018
What will be the visible signs that the new government is making real change?
I walked along WIllis Street recently above the intersection with Dixon Street. Its an area with some commercial buildings being turned into student flats / higher end apartments, but includes an office for the Ministry of Social Development, with a security guard stoping people wanting to enter until he has checked that they are on alist that he has to allow admission. I gather there is another guard inside to stop problems if they occur inside.
A little further is a charity shop, then a church, with a container shop in one of its car parks – at the time I walked past there was a queue of people waiting for it to open for free food. In the next block there are a lot of student apartments, and across the road the electorate office of Grant Robertson.
I don’t think it unreasonable to expect that by the next election (and possibly quite a bit earlier), neither the container food bank or the guards will be needed. The security guards are a symptom of National’s punitive attitude to beneficiaries, and their rundown of services to the unemployed and mentally ill, but also result from poor management – ACC had similar issues (National interpreted that legislation as harshly as they could get awaay with as well), but ACC reconfigured offices to provide protection for staff wthout as many security staff.
What else can we expect to see from our change in government?
Better employment law and practices, more affordable and state houses, significant improvements to water quality practices (the actual water quality to go with them may take a little longer). A more equitable tax system…
*Education systems that work more effectively where teachers are treated with respect; collegeality is encouraged and support is adequate. Also teacher training, especially for primary and high school teachers is improved so teachers have a better understanding not so much of their subject matter, but of the children they are teaching. Far too many children are expelled (as in, thrown out onto the streets) because teachers lack the knowledge they need to deal effectively with children who are troubled and non-compliant.
*Systems that do not see pre-schoolers and the elderly primarily as cash cows.
*Marijuana is decriminalised and a real effort is made to stamp out methamphetamine use
The windup of certain notorious rorts, including Brownlee’s Southern Response, the soft loans to Mediaworks, and Bill’s wife’s suicide empire.
Constructive regional development initiatives, especially based on sustainable aquaculture and processing of primary products for domestic markets.
The windup of the English mills – the fake courses that are in fact selling citizenship in some form or other, and the enforcement of existing immigration law that requires good faith efforts to employ NZ citizens before migrant workers may be accessed.
I know people are probably bored with the Rhythm & Vines boob grab, but I had a slightly different interpretation of it, without wanting to derail the rape culture thread.
I wonder if folk are familiar with dongchim – an activity which is prolific among Korean children (and apparently Taiwanese and Japanese children under the name of Kancho). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9iBXXqP2Bw
This is I believe a kind of play which is a variation of the mock attacks that can be seen in juvenile mammals of all kinds, but commonly in dogs or primates. As with other primate play behaviours, mock attacks decrease with age (Juvenile Primates: Life History, Development and Behavior, Pereira et al eds), so that dongchim is abundant among elementary school children, decreasing by middle school, and largely absent among high school students.
Given this context, I’d be inclined to interpret the R&V boob grab as an exhibition of late juvenile behavior, the kind of thing that might be done as a primitive attention grab by someone lacking the skills or confidence to attempt a conventional introduction. If so, the slapping the perpetrator received would be more appropriate than if it were interpreted as a preliminary to rape, which surely ought to attract the more consequential penalties of legal censure. (Which given the availability of the film is surely possible).
I’m not sure whether interpreting an activity as rape, with its overtones of fear, is more or less of a deterrent than labelling the perpetrator as socially inept and juvenile.
I agree that it was ‘socially inept and juvenile’, but in the current social climate where to be female is a fairly risky business, the reasons for the action are rather secondary to the perceptions of the victim (and the rest of us). I am guessing that many, if not most of us deal with some degree of Post Traumatic Distress from our life encounters with inappropriate and threatening male behaviour and this sort of action serves as a trigger way out of proportion to what may otherwise be seen as a relatively minor incident by those unaware of the inherent ramifications.
I don’t think acknowledging this action as juvenile and attention-seeking is inconsistent with it also being sexist and offensive, Stuart. It seems to me that they guy was using this young woman’s body to show off to his mates and get their approval. He wasn’t seeing her as a person, he was seeing her body as territory to be marked or claimed, or a playground. He was proving himself to be a “real man” in what he clearly thought of as a jokey way, but what he wasn’t thinking about was the actual person whose body was being appropriated to make this statement to the world.
And in some ways his motivations don’t really matter. You say, I’m not sure whether interpreting an activity as rape, with its overtones of fear, is more or less of a deterrent than labelling the perpetrator as socially inept and juvenile. I think we can certainly label this guy (and others like him) as socially inept and juvenile, but that doesn’t stop his behaviour being part of a spectrum that includes and facilitates rape. And the fear belongs to the victim, but is also inflicted to some degree on women in general. I know it’s something I’ve experienced many times, although I’ve never been raped. It’s something that limits most women’s behaviour and affects our sense of (in)security in the world.
Thanks for not wanting to derail the other discussion thread.
15. Stewart Munro Many women have experienced grabbing/ checking.
I did. As a younger teacher, I was grabbed two handed by a senior staff member, who said “Oh they are real boobs. Just checking”
Three other staff members remonstrated with him. I said “How would you feel if I grabbed at your private areas?” The response was “I’d like it”
I said “That wouldn’t happen, as it would be unprofessional, and you are not attractive to me”. Those present told him he deserved that reply.
This man finally did other silly and serious stuff which led to his removal by the then inspectorate.
Nobody realised how nervous I became about working late, and if he entered a room where I was alone I would leave. Many women have been accosted at their work, and even in the modern world there are predators who treat cornering women as a game of one-up-manship.
It has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power, or the misuse of it.
Rape in the technical sense is theft, relating to the old idea of virginity or conjugal rights as being property.
The conflict between positions seems to be one of realms.
The commenting women chiefly interpret the action in terms of threat and a continuing threat environment.
You have raised the legal environment which is different again. I’m inclined to prefer what the woman did on the spot to the legal solution because legal approaches to sexual offending have their own problems. They often become a contributing oppression on top of the offensive act. And, the success of punishment or rehabilitation approaches to sexual offending is not encouraging.
I was taking more of a behaviourist approach, and I’d agree with Patricia Bremner that the R&V event was a power play. So I was describing the action as a juvenile behavior in a behavioural sense. The dongchim behavior in the video I linked, though normal between students of a certain age in those countries, would (according to my Korean friends) never be done to a Korean teacher, and is presumably a power play also. Understanding its meaning in context matters however, as neither a slap nor a sexual harassment prosecution would be appropriate to children dongchiming a teacher – though fairly stern deterrence for the disrespectful act would not be out of place.
In the case of R&V probably the police should prosecute – there seems to be incontrovertible evidence of an offence. A sentence binding over the assailant to cause no more such problems would seem to be appropriate.
Stuart, I think I was pretty clear about accepting this behaviour as juvenile, and a display to gain others’ approval. Yes, subconsciously it was a power play. But power dynamics are at the heart of sexist behaviour and sexist power structures.
I don’t see this action as sexually motivated – he certainly wasn’t overcome by lust. And while what we’ve been calling rape culture is a dynamic that evokes fear and feelings of disempowerment, I think we have to see this as an ugly part of a even bigger issue – patriarchy.
That word causes backlash sometimes – it’s gained connotations of being somehow anti-male – but the fact is that women have not yet gained equality with men in our society. While we’ve made progress that should be celebrated, we’re not there yet. We all know that women do more unpaid labour, earn less, have less power in the workplace, are subjected to more sexual harassment and violence, are still discouraged from being assertive, are still judged more by appearances… And men are also limited by gender stereotypes (as are people who don’t see themselves as clearly male or female).
I’m not trying to exaggerate the significance of one incident. It only became a talking point because it was caught on camera, the woman reacted by punishing the guy and then she was criticised for doing so. I do think that a lot of women who wouldn’t think of ourselves as vigilante types did think, “Good on you!” and feel like we should stick up for this young woman because we’ve been there, been grabbed like that. Yes, it’s about fear and celebrating a young woman who didn’t let that keep her down, but it’s also about the bigger picture.
I certainly do not agree that the structures of power that are problematic are more greed linked than gender linked. There are different dynamics that interweave and reinforce each other, but gender power structures (patriarchy) are common across all human societies, have repressed and limited women throughout history and continue to affect how women are seen, see ourselves, are treated and are (under)rated today.
I see feminism as part of my overall leftist view of the world, but I think a feminist perspective can enlighten any political philosophy and I know plenty of people who wouldn’t regard themselves as particularly left-leaning who have a feminist instinct and plenty of lefties (some of whom comment on this site) who don’t.
Well, if you really want to get into the perpetrator’s head, the thought that occurred to me was “self absorbed and entitled”.
That’s where the “cup of tea” education campaign about consent falls down (the one the British police came up with: ‘if someone is asleep, you wouldn’t pour tea in their face’, sort of thing): I doubt the question of consent crossed his mind. If it did, it was an extra kick that consent wasn’t there but he would be able to get away with it.
The focus was on what he wanted.
So the analogy that came to mind was a stapler on a colleague’s desk. I need to staple something, so I can ask “can I borrow that stapler”. I can just see the stapler and take it without asking, without wondering if they are also about to staple something. Or I can walk over, look them dead in the eye, and take it knowing they can’t do a damned thing about it. The first is confirming consent, the second is being too selfish to notice, the third was a power trip using stapling as an excuse.
Either way, I’m actually glad he got thumped. Better than nothing.
I’m not expert in the psychology of boob grabbers, but it seemed to me from the clip that he was acting provocatively, as someone might on a dare. He was not in the least confused as to the wrongness of the act.
I’m not quite so happy about the thump – not because he didn’t have it coming, but because to the extent that we are a society under the rule of law the victim should not be obliged to exact the penalty for manifestly criminal behavior. That’s a job for the police – and given that this oik not only embarrassed his victim, but also embarrassed NZ internationally, I expect that his prosecution will be pursued. Perhaps the expectation is optimistic – but it shouldn’t be.
Randall Munroe’s XKCD is absolutely fukn brilliant. Here’s the best map you’ll ever see for understanding the geographic distribution of votes in the 2016 presidential election.
John Oliver ‘How is this still a thing?’ going into Ayn Rand and her beliefs and lots of great clips. What does she look like, sound like, attracts so many people who can swallow some of her antithetic ideas to their own avowed ideas.
She has an interesting if unwise perspective. The thing the RWNJ do is to take her out of her context – the survivor of the Soviet misgovernance she details in We The Living, which is no worse than Rybakov’s Children of the Arbat. Barbara Brandon’s biography is surprisingly sympathetic.
The RWNJ require her for her ability to articulate arguments that they could not readily construct themselves. But when Rand expounds on the evils of socialism she is describing Stalinism, not the benign Fabian version that moved Karl Popper to write The Open Society and its Enemies.
Emma Goldman became well fcked off with the USSR as a betrayal of political hope in the early 1920s.
If you’re going to argue that Rand also became fucked off because of some recognition that socialism was crushed by the Bolshevics, then you’re basically arguing that Rand’s political thought was essentially socialist.
Popper became disillusioned with Soviet communism well before most of his contemporaries, and his arguments with them became the basis of the falsifiability theory that subsequently proved quite useful in the sciences.
“ I’m just running with how liberal media pushes official narratives and kills debate.”
You mean like how some people on the Standard operate.
Witness Open Mike today.
[For FUCK’s sake! Okay Ed. Here’s how it goes. Think about what you want to bring to peoples’ attention and then do that in as brief a way as you sensibly can. Yes. Some of the shit that’s been flung at you is a bit off in my opinion. But the solution is easy enough and in your hands.] – Bill
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Reminds me of Open Mike on the Standard over the past month or two.
Don’t question the western diet.
Don’t challenge New Zealand’s complacency about climate change.
Don’t present an alternative to the corporate media’s narrative about Syria.
Don’t query the constant propaganda about Russia and Putin..
Or you will get hammered. [Not interested in the tittle tattle of open mike invading this thread. Don’t do it again. Ta.] – Bill
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This mean increase to the Defence Budget in the coming years?
Expand the Regular and Territorial Forces across all 3 services?
Does this mean $20 Billion Capital Equipment upgrade is too small?
The Aid Budget for HADR has to increase for the South Pacific and what about the Home Front?
Do we need to look at re-establish the MoW as a overseer (Mr Trotter has mention this before) to make sure that the Government doesn’t get ripped off by the private sector?
Does this mean more conflicts in the Future over land, water, fisheries etc and how would future conflicts in the Asia/ pacific region will impact on our trade (our export/ imports especially our POL imports) since we hardly have any heavy industry now thanks to our Neo Lib muppets?
What about EQC funding since this pot of money is almost empty?
What about the Antarctic Treaty which is up for renewal?
This is my second visit here and I have been reading up on ExKiwiforces comments over Christmas as he seems to very knowledgeable on this stuff. But it seems he has gone very quiet here and over at the WONZ Forum site the other place where he hangs out (has a very smart picture or painting of himself with has medals etc). Has his PTSD got the better of him, Is he still banned from The Standard, or has he simply gone fishing/ hunting etc?
Would like to hear his views and any others who have some knowledge on this subject as to the long term effects to our wee country called New Zealand
So mad dog said to addled dotard hold my beer, I’m going to poke the bee swarm to intimidate them and hopefully, they won’t turn on us.
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U.S. officials are discussing the possibility of a targeted strike in North Korea that would serve as a warning but, hopefully, not start a nuclear war, WSJ reportshttps://t.co/Yg6bdMGo7M— Axios (@axios) January 9, 2018
I wonder if they’re worried that peace might break out between N and S Korea.
Unification talks have gone on in the past, and the new president Moon takes a much more conciliatory position.
Nikki Haley has already expressed her derision for the upcoming talks between N and South Korea
Without threat and tension in the area, the US has no excuse for its Thaad missile battery or bases, very strategic for “containing”China and Russia
Domestic consumption or not, these fuckers are touting war and if South Koreans die, it’s their own fault.
It’s true that North Korea could retaliate for any attack by using its conventional rocket artillery against the South Korean capital of Seoul and its surroundings, where almost 20 million inhabitants live within 35 miles of the armistice line. U.S. military officers have cited the fear of a “sea of fire” to justify inaction. But this vulnerability should not paralyze U.S. policy for one simple reason: It is very largely self-inflicted.
Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 27 were:1. The Minister for Ford Rangers strikes againTransport Minister Simeon Brown was again the busiest of the Cabinet ministers this week, announcing an ...
You got a fast carAnd I want a ticket to anywhereMaybe we make a dealMaybe together we can get somewhereAny place is betterYesterday’s newsletter, Trust In Me, on the report of abuse in state care, and by religious organisations, between 1950 and 2019, coupled with the hypocrisy of Christopher Luxon ...
New Zealand is again having to reconcile conflicting pressures from its military and its trade interests. Should we join Pillar Two of AUKUS and risk compromising our markets in China? For a century after New Zealand was founded in 1840, its external security arrangements and external economics arrangements were aligned. ...
The ‘50 Shades of Green’ farmers’ protest in 2019 was heavy on climate change denial, but five years on, scepticism and criticism about the idea that pine forests can save us is growing across the board. File photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: Here’s the top six news items of note in climate ...
This morning the sky was bright.The birds, in their usual joyous bliss. Nature doesn’t seem to feel the heat of what might angst humans.Their calls are clear and beautiful.Just some random thoughts:MāoriPaul Goldsmith has announced his government will roll back the judiciary’s rulings on Māori Customary Marine Title, which recognises ...
In 2003, the Court of Appeal delivered its decision in Ngati Apa v Attorney-General, ruling that Māori customary title over the foreshore and seabed had not been universally extinguished, and that the Māori Land Court could determine claims and confirm title if the facts supported it. This kicked off the ...
Earlier this week at Parliament, Labour leader Chris Hipkins was applauded for saying that the response to the final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care had to be “bigger than politics.” True, but the fine words, apologies and “we hear you” messages will soon ring ...
TL;DR: In news breaking this morning:The Ministry of Education is cutting $2 billion from its school building programme so the National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government has enough money to deliver tax cuts; The Government has quietly lowered its child poverty reduction targets to make them easier to achieve;Te Whatu Ora-Health NZ’s ...
Kia ora. These are some stories that caught our eye this week – as always, feel free to share yours in the comments. Our header image this week (via Eke Panuku) shows the planned upgrade for the Karanga Plaza Tidal Swimming Steps. The week in Greater Auckland On ...
1. What's not to love about the way the Harris campaign is turning things around?a. Nothingb. Love all of itc. God what a reliefd. Not that it will be by any means easye. All of the above 2. Documents released by the Ministry of Health show Associate Health Minister Casey ...
Trust in me in all you doHave the faith I have in youLove will see us through, if only you trust in meWhy don't you, you trust me?In a week that saw the release of the 3,000 page Abuse in Care report Christopher Luxon was being asked about Boot Camps. ...
TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking about the Royal Commission Inquiry into Abuse in Carereport released this week, and with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent on a UN push to not recognise carbon offset markets and ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 26, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Transport: Simeon Brown announced$802.9 million in funding for 18 new trains on the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines, which ...
The northern expressway extension from Warkworth to Whangarei is likely to require radical changes to legislation if it is going to be built within the foreseeable future. The Government’s powers to purchase land, the planning process and current restrictions on road tolling are all going to need to be changed ...
Text within this block will maintain its original spacing when publishedFirst they came for the doctors But I was confused by the numbers and costs So I didn't speak up Then they came for our police and nurses And I didn't think we could afford those costs anyway So I ...
Photo by Joshua J. Cotten on UnsplashWe’re back again after our mid-winter break. We’re still with the ‘new’ day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when we have our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm.Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream ...
Notes: This is a free article. Abuse in Care themes are mentioned. Video is at the bottom.BackgroundYesterday’s report into Abuse in Care revealed that at least 1 in 3 of all who went through state and faith based care were abused - often horrifically. At least, because not all survivors ...
Luxon speaks in Parliament yesterday about the Abuse in Care report. Photo: Hagen Hopkins/Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:PM Christopher Luxon said yesterday in tabling the Abuse in Carereport in Parliament he wanted to ‘do the ...
About a decade ago I worked with a bloke called Steve. He was the grizzled veteran coder, a few years older than me, who knew where the bodies were buried - code wise. Despite his best efforts to be approachable and friendly he could be kind of gruff, through to ...
Some of the recent announcements from the government have reminded us of posts we’ve written in the past. Here’s one from early 2020. There were plenty of reactions to the government’s infrastructure announcement a few weeks ago which saw them fund a bunch of big roading projects. One of ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Thursday, July 25 are:News: Why Electric Kiwi is closing to new customers - and why it matters RNZ’s Susan EdmundsScoop: Government drops ...
Hi,I felt a small wet tongue snaking through one of the holes in my Crocs. It explored my big toe, darting down one side, then the other. “He’s looking for some toe cheese,” said the woman next to me, words that still haunt me to this day.Growing up in New ...
Yesterday I happily quoted the Prime Minister without fact-checking him and sure enough, it turns out his numbers were all to hell. It’s not four kg of Royal Commission report, it’s fourteen.My friend and one-time colleague-in-comms Hazel Phillips gently alerted me to my error almost as soon as I’d hit ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 25, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:The Abuse in Care Royal Commission of Inquirypublished its final report yesterday.PM Christopher Luxon and The Minister responsible for ...
The Official Information Act has always been a battle between requesters seeking information, and governments seeking to control it. Information is power, so Ministers and government agencies want to manage what is released and when, for their own convenience, and legality and democracy be damned. Their most recent tactic for ...
TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:Transport and Energy Minister Simeon Brown is accelerating plans to spend at least $10 billion through Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) to extend State Highway One as a four-lane ‘Expressway’ from Warkworth to Whangarei ...
I live my life (woo-ooh-ooh)With no control in my destinyYea-yeah, yea-yeah (woo-ooh-ooh)I can bleed when I want to bleedSo come on, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)You can bleed when you want to bleedYea-yeah, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)Everybody bleed when they want to bleedCome on and bleedGovernments face tough challenges. Selling unpopular decisions to ...
Please note:To skip directly to the- parliamentary footage in the video, scroll to 1:21 To skip to audio please click on the headphone iconon the left hand side of the screenThis video / audio section is under development. ...
Given the crackdown on wasteful government spending, it behooves me to point to a high profile example of spending by the Luxon government that looks like a big, fat waste of time and money. I’m talking about the deployment of NZDF personnel to support the US-led coalition in the Red ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:40 am on Wednesday, July 24 are:Deep Dive: Chipping away at the housing crisis, including my comments RNZ/Newsroom’s The DetailNews: Government softens on asset sales, ...
As I reported about the city centre, Auckland’s rail network is also going through a difficult and disruptive period which is rapidly approaching a culmination, this will result in a significant upgrade to the whole network. Hallelujah. Also like the city centre this is an upgrade predicated on the City ...
Today, a 4 kilogram report will be delivered to Parliament. We know this is what the report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care weighs, because our Prime Minister told us so.Some reporter had blindsided him by asking a question about something done by ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 24, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Beehive:Transport Minister Simeon Brownannounced plans to use PPPs to fund, build and run a four-lane expressway between Auckland ...
NewstalkZB host Mike Hosking, who can usually be relied on to give Prime Minister Christopher Luxon an easy run, did not do so yesterday when he interviewed him about the HealthNZ deficit. Luxon is trying to use a deficit reported last year by HealthNZ as yet another example of the ...
Back in January a StatsNZ employee gave a speech at Rātana on behalf of tangata whenua in which he insulted and criticised the government. The speech clearly violated the principle of a neutral public service, and StatsNZ started an investigation. Part of that was getting an external consultant to examine ...
Renting for life: Shared ownership initiatives are unlikely to slow the slide in home ownership by much. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:A Deloittereport for Westpac has projected Aotearoa’s home-ownership rate will ...
You're broken down and tiredOf living life on a merry go roundAnd you can't find the fighterBut I see it in you so we gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsWe gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsAnd I'll rise upI'll rise like the dayI'll rise upI'll rise unafraidI'll rise upAnd I'll ...
There’s been a change in Myers Park. Down the steps from St. Kevin’s Arcade, past the grassy slopes, the children’s playground, the benches and that goat statue, there has been a transformation. The underpass for Mayoral Drive has gone from a barren, grey, concrete tunnel, to a place that thrums ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections Global society may have finally slammed on the brakes for climate-warming pollution released by human fossil fuel combustion. According to the Carbon Monitor Project, the total global climate pollution released between February and May 2024 declined slightly from the amount released during the same ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Tuesday, July 23 are:Deep Dive: Penlink: where tolling rhetoric meets reality BusinessDesk-$$$’sOliver LewisScoop:Te Pūkenga plans for regional polytechs leak out ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 23, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Health: Shane Reti announcedthe Board of Te Whatu Ora-Health New Zealand was being replaced with Commissioner Lester Levy ...
Health NZ warned the Government at the end of March that it was running over Budget. But the reasons it gave were very different to those offered by the Prime Minister yesterday. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon blamed the “botched merger” of the 20 District Health Boards (DHBs) to create Health ...
Long ReadKey Summary: Although National increased the health budget by $1.4 billion in May, they used an old funding model to project health system costs, and never bothered to update their pre-election numbers. They were told during the Health Select Committees earlier in the year their budget amount was deficient, ...
As a momentous, historic weekend in US politics unfolded, analysts and commentators grasped for precedents and comparisons to help explain the significance and power of the choice Joe Biden had made. The 46th president had swept the Democratic party’s primaries but just over 100 days from the election had chosen ...
TL;DR: I’m casting around for new ideas and ways of thinking about Aotearoa’s political economy to find a few solutions to our cascading and self-reinforcing housing, poverty and climate crises.Associate Professor runs an online masters degree in the economics of sustainability at Torrens University in Australia and is organising ...
The Finance and Expenditure Committee has reported back on National's Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. The bill sets up water for privatisation, and was introduced under urgency, then rammed through select committee with no time even for local councils to make a proper submission. Naturally, national's select committee ...
Some years ago, I bought a book at Dunedin’s Regent Booksale for $1.50. As one does. Vandrad the Viking (1898), by J. Storer Clouston, is an obscure book these days – I cannot find a proper online review – but soon it was sitting on my shelf, gathering dust alongside ...
History is not on the side of the centre-left, when Democratic presidents fall behind in the polls and choose not to run for re-election. On both previous occasions in the past 75 years (Harry Truman in 1952, Lyndon Johnson in 1968) the Democrats proceeded to then lose the White House ...
This is a free articleCoverageThis morning, US President Joe Biden announced his withdrawal from the Presidential race. And that is genuinely newsworthy. Thanks for your service, President Biden, and all the best to you and yours.However, the media in New Zealand, particularly the 1News nightly bulletin, has been breathlessly covering ...
A homeless person’s camp beside a blocked-off slipped damage walkway in Freeman’s Bay: we are chasing our tail on our worsening and inter-related housing, poverty and climate crises. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy ...
What has happened to it all?Crazy, some'd sayWhere is the life that I recognise?(Gone away)But I won't cry for yesterdayThere's an ordinary worldSomehow I have to findAnd as I try to make my wayTo the ordinary worldYesterday morning began as many others - what to write about today? I began ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Orderimage, ...
Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
Waiting In The Wings:For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSAannounced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
Te Rangi e tu nei (The sky above us) Te Papa e takoto nei (The land beneath us) Tatou katoa te hunga ora (To us all the living) Tena koutou katoa (Greetings) ...
A late change to charter school legislation will cheat educators out of fair pay and negotiating power proving charter schools are just a vehicle to make profit out of our education system. ...
In 2004 te iwi Māori rallied against the Crown’s attempt to confiscate our coastlines and moana with the Foreshore and Seabed Act. This led to the largest hīkoi of a generation and the birth of Te Pāti Māori. 20 years later, history is repeating itself. Today the government has announced ...
It has been five and a half years since the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care was established to investigate the abuse of children, young people, and vulnerable adults within state and faith-based institutions. Yesterday, the final report - Whanaketia through pain and trauma, from darkness to light ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to take action off the back of the International Court of Justice ruling on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine. ...
On Friday the International Court of Justice reaffirmed what Palestinian’s have been telling us for decades: that the occupation and colonisation of Palestinian lands by Israel is illegal and must end immediately. They also called for reparations for Palestinian’s who have lived under Israeli occupation since it began in 1967. ...
Labour calls on the Government to act after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territories is illegal. ...
The 53.7 percent rise in benefit sanctions over the last year is more proof of this Government’s disdain for our communities most in need of support. ...
Aotearoa could be a country where every child grows up feeling safe, loved and with a sense of belonging in their whānau and community. But for some of our children, this is far from reality. Instead, they are trapped in a maze of intergenerational harm that they can’t escape on ...
Te Pāti Māori are calling for David Seymour to resign as Associate Health Minister in response to his call for Pharmac to ignore the Treaty of Waitangi. “This announcement is just another example of the government’s anti-Tiriti, anti-Māori agenda.” Said Co-leader and spokesperson for health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. “Seymour thinks it ...
The soaring price of renting is driving the rise of inflation in this country - with latest figures from Stats NZ showing rents are up 4.8 per cent on average while annual inflation is at 3.3 per cent. ...
National’s Emissions Reduction Plan will take New Zealand further from the economy we need to ensure the next generation has a stable climate and secure livelihoods. ...
Following consultation with named parties and thorough consideration of privacy interests, the Green Party is in a position to release the Executive Summary of the final report from the independent investigation into Darleen Tana. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon should be asking serious questions of his Minister for Resources Shane Jones now it’s been revealed he misled the public about a dinner with mining companies that he didn’t declare and said wasn’t pre-arranged. ...
Te Pāti Māori have submitted to the Justice Select Committee against the Sentencing (Reinstating Three Strikes) Amendment Bill. The bill will further entrench racism in our justice system and fails to focus on rehabilitation. “Reinstating Three Strikes will empower a systematically racist system and exacerbate the overrepresentation of Māori in ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee is set to make a determination on the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill in the coming weeks. “This legislation will give landlords the power to kick our whānau out onto the street for no reason” said Housing spokesperson, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “Their solution to the housing ...
“National’s campaign was about tackling crime and the best they can do is a two-year long Ministerial Advisory Group,” Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...
“There are more examples of charter schools failing their students than there are success stories. The coalition Government is driving to dismantle our public school system and instead promote a privatised, competitive structure that puts profits before kids,” Jan Tinetti said. ...
“This government is choosing to deliberately mislead and withhold information, keeping our people in the dark about this government’s agenda and the future of our mokopuna,” said co-leader and spokesperson for Health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. The call comes after the demand from the Chief Ombudsman that Associate Minister of Health, Casey ...
“Today’s climate announcement by Simon Watts makes clear the National Government is simply paying lip service to meeting its climate change targets,” Megan Woods said. ...
National is choosing to make life harder for workers by taking away the rights our communities have fought hard for. Here's how they’re taking workers backwards. ...
Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue. We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views. “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
Tēnā tātou katoa, Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts. “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “Indonesia is important to New Zealand’s security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,” says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
He aha te kai a te rangatira? He kōrero, he kōrero, he kōrero. The government has reaffirmed its commitment to supporting the aspirations of Ngāti Maniapoto, Minister for Māori Development Tama Potaka says. “My thanks to Te Nehenehenui Trust – Ngāti Maniapoto for bringing their important kōrero to a ministerial ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has thanked outgoing Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority, Janice Fredric, for her service to the board.“I have received Ms Fredric’s resignation from the role of Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority,” Mr Brown says.“On behalf of the Government, I want to thank Ms Fredric for ...
The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliament’s test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “Section 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour says that opposition parties have united in bad faith, opposing what they claim are ‘dangerous changes’ to the Early Childhood Education sector, despite no changes even being proposed yet. “Issues with affordability and availability of early childhood education, and the complexity of its regulation, has led ...
After receiving more than 740 submissions in the first 20 days, Regulation Minister David Seymour is asking the Ministry for Regulation to extend engagement on the early childhood education regulation review by an extra two weeks. “The level of interest has been very high, and from the conversations I’ve been ...
The Coalition Government is investing $802.9 million into the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines as part of a funding agreement with the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA), KiwiRail, and the Greater Wellington and Horizons Regional Councils to deliver more reliable services for commuters in the lower North Island, Transport Minister Simeon ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced his intention to appoint a Crown Manager to both Hawke’s Bay Regional and Wairoa District Councils to speed up the delivery of flood protection work in Wairoa."Recent severe weather events in Wairoa this year, combined with damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in 2023 have ...
Mr Speaker, this is a day that many New Zealanders who were abused in State care never thought would come. It’s the day that this Parliament accepts, with deep sorrow and regret, the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care. At the heart of this report are the ...
For the first time, the Government is formally acknowledging some children and young people at Lake Alice Psychiatric Hospital experienced torture. The final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care “Whanaketia – through pain and trauma, from darkness to light,” was tabled in Parliament ...
The Government has acknowledged the nearly 2,400 courageous survivors who shared their experiences during the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care. The final report from the largest and most complex public inquiry ever held in New Zealand, the Royal Commission Inquiry “Whanaketia – through ...
With a week to go before hard-working New Zealanders see personal income tax relief for the first time in fourteen years, 513,000 people have used the Budget tax calculator to see how much they will benefit, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis. “Tax relief is long overdue. From next Wednesday, personal income ...
Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden says a bill that has passed its first reading will improve parental leave settings and give non-biological parents more flexibility as primary carer for their child. The Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill (No3), passed its first reading this morning. “It includes a change ...
Two Bills designed to improve regulation and make it easier to do business have passed their first reading in Parliament, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. The Regulatory Systems (Economic Development) Amendment Bill and Regulatory Systems (Immigration and Workforce) Amendment Bill make key changes to legislation administered by the Ministry ...
New legislation paves the way for greater competition in sectors such as banking and electricity, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. “Competitive markets boost productivity, create employment opportunities and lift living standards. To support competition, we need good quality regulation but, unfortunately, a recent OECD report ranked New ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says lotteries for charitable purposes, such as those run by the Heart Foundation, Coastguard NZ, and local hospices, will soon be allowed to operate online permanently. “Under current laws, these fundraising lotteries are only allowed to operate online until October 2024, after which ...
The Coalition Government is accelerating work on the new four-lane expressway between Auckland and Whangārei as part of its Roads of National Significance programme, with an accelerated delivery model to deliver this project faster and more efficiently, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “For too long, the lack of resilient transport connections ...
Sir Don McKinnon will travel to Viet Nam this week as a Special Envoy of the Government, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “It is important that the Government give due recognition to the significant contributions that General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong made to New Zealand-Viet Nam relations,” Mr ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says newly appointed Commissioner, Grant Illingworth KC, will help deliver the report for the first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons, due on 28 November 2024. “I am pleased to announce that Mr Illingworth will commence his appointment as ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters travels to Laos this week to participate in a series of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-led Ministerial meetings in Vientiane. “ASEAN plays an important role in supporting a peaceful, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific,” Mr Peters says. “This will be our third visit to ...
Construction of a new mental health facility at Te Nikau Grey Hospital in Greymouth is today one step closer, Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says. “This $27 million facility shows this Government is delivering on its promise to boost mental health care and improve front line services,” Mr Doocey says. ...
New Zealand is committing nearly $50 million to a package supporting sustainable Pacific fisheries development over the next four years, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This support consisting of a range of initiatives demonstrates New Zealand’s commitment to assisting our Pacific partners ...
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It is possible in New Zealand to rent out squalid houses rentals .
‘‘Mouldy shoes, dripping windows, chesty colds and tenancy tribunal hearings were what one Auckland couple got with their Orakei rental property.
Dana Cornes and her partner Jonathan van Campen moved into the house in early August 2017, but struggled to feel at home in what they said were damp, cold conditions that impacted on their mental, physical and financial health.
Battling constant colds and their landlord’s reluctance to service a ventilation system led the Cornes to leaving in mid-October.’
In a detailed article by Corazon Miller, some awful statistics are presented, caused by a lack of regulation of our housing rental industry.
‘Rental properties tended to be colder, and damper than owner-occupied properties with 56 per cent of rental properties showing mould, compared to 44 per cent among private homes.
Last year a Herald report showed more children died as a result of diseases linked to cold, damp, overcrowded homes than were killed in car crashes or by drowning.
An average 20 children die and 30,000 are hospitalised every year from preventable, housing-related diseases like asthma, pneumonia and bronchiolitis, compared to ten who died in a crash or from drowning.’
I was outraged by these facts.
Luckily there were enough people outraged by the previous government’s disdain for tenants and protection of greedy and selfish landlords that we voted in a new government who promised to improve rental conditions.
The Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill is aimed to make homes warmer and drier.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11942791
A single quote mark – ‘ – indicates that you are paraphrasing. Since you are quoting directly, indicate it with double quote marks – “.
Better still, educate yourself about and start using blockquote tags so that your cut ‘n’ pastes are more obvious and easier to parse.
When you persistently make it difficult to tell which parts of your comments are authored by other people, the suspicion arises that you are doing it deliberately.
It’s a pity that these serious issues are obscured by your rude sloppy presentation.
I agree, I really wish people would make an effort at this in the interests of communicating clearly (which is what we’re here for).
More on dodgy landlords.
“The country’s student union is blasting Wellington landlords for allegedly taking advantage of desperate students.
The Union of Students’ Association has had reports of rents being hiked in Wellington after the Government boosted students’ living costs.
“We have heard reports particularly here in Wellington that some landlords are taking the opportunity to increase rents because of that $50 increase,” says president Jonathan Gee.”
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/01/landlords-reportedly-hiking-rents-after-students-living-costs-increase.htmle
Your link is broken. This one works.
Landlords can hardly deny this is happening…
Pretty sure Twyford said he’d be keeping an eye on this.
It was always going to happen.
The interesting part is to what degree it’s happening. If landlords lift rents above people’s ability to pay, at least some of those people will end up being housed at lower rents by HNZ.
This (at least in theory) should provide downward pressure on rents.
There’s also the possibility that these actions, far from being a response to market forces are, as Twyford says, “politically motivated and self serving”. A spiteful reaction to seeing Dear Leader lose the election.
In any event, at least the National Party won’t be able to simply make people homeless anymore.
“politically motivated and self serving”
I doubt there is much (if any) political motivation in this at all. Self Serving for sure – but its not like they didnt indicate that this would be the response in advance.
of course it might just be a commercial reaction to this governments plans for rentals and the state of the market – when there are a lot less rentals – you can charge more for them:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/98941556/wellington-could-be-heading-for-its-worst-rental-crisis-ever-property-experts-warn
*fewer
A self-selected group times a negative – almost retaliatory one might say – press release about NZLP policy one week before a general election.
Keep telling yourself there’s nothing political about that.
+111
It’s been one of the problems with accommodation supplement as well.
Government says they will increase by $30-00 per week.
Landlord puts rent up by $30-00 per week.
Tenant now worse off by $9-00 per week because it’s only a 70% subsidy to the person being paid it.
The subsidisation of rents should never have been opened up to people not on benefit in the 90’s.
Elderly people I know says the same thing happens with the lawn mowing and gardening. The government announces an increase and the person doing the lawns puts their price up to match.
In many cases the persons other medical costs have increased as well so the person is again worse off and doesn’t benefit from the increase at all.
Profiteering at the expense of the poor and elderly.
That’s always been the case. They just get even more help from the government to do so now.
Never mind that it’s the taxpayers paying for their profit.
@AOB – What HNZ rentals??? Huge waiting list at HNZ which has put low income people into the private sector rentals where they don’t belong or in more costly emergency housing like motels or without a rental at all and homeless. As far as I’m aware most students don’t get HNZ rentals anyway unless they have other issues like being a single parent or disabled.
New legislation on rentals was always going to increase the cost of rentals. I have an elderly relative who has some rentals and he has them managed. It has cost him hundreds of dollars just on smoke alarms and a firm to manage maintaining them. It’s thousands for the insulation. Personally I think that mandatory smoke alarms are a good idea, but apparently they need to last 8 years etc etc so many people have to throw out the existing ones and redo it. Many of the ideas are ok, until they get to the legislation and practical reality, then it is as cumbersome as possible. Insulation for example – read a new tenancy application and work out how much work it would be to certify the insulation for each room and then do that each tenancy. Then look at the P legislation which is so complicated and impractical it’s causing evictions, empty houses and massive amounts of money and rentals being empty while being ‘decontaminated’. It’s not good for tenants or landlords having it that way.
They should have incorporated the shortage into the situation like only having rents over $400 p/w have to be insulated etc so that there was still some reason for cheap rentals to be available. The reality is, that if it is too expensive to run a rental for the amount of rent and improvements needed, then the landlord will not rent the property. For most people it is better to have a roof over there heads than not having a roof at all and the “disgusting cold damp” villas seemed to do the job for the silent and boomer generations where nobody have even heard of insulation.
A lot of people posting seemed to have zero idea the costs of getting tradespeople out to do work on houses (if you can get them) which in many cases will not be worth it for the amount of work required to upgrade them for renting. I think ED posted that 45 – 55% of houses are damp in NZ so that’s a lot of houses that need upgrading and it seems highly likely that the cost will be passed on to renters. If you had a rental in the wops returning a small rent with difficult tenants, would you really want to spend $25,000 on upgrading it, or will you just sell it? Apparently some of the small towns that have the least rentals now.
One of the most popular houses for renting on bookabach is uninsulated, being a simple log cabin. Not everyone is as exited by insulation as the bureaucrats.
What HNZ rentals? The ones that the NZLP has promised (and has a track record to match) to build.
Can they fix the National Party’s deliberate sadistic vandalism overnight? Hardly. Personally I’d approach the housing crisis by declaring a state of emergency and requisitioning ghost houses.
But I’m not the NZLP, and they intend to increase state housing stock, and this will provide downward pressure on rents.
Thank you for fixing the link.
I think I accidentally typed the letter e after the link.
Of course, as you say, “Twyford said he’d be keeping an eye on this”.
The problem is that the poor fellow hasn’t the faintest idea what he is supposed to do. Life in Government isn’t nearly as easy as it seems from the Opposition benches.
What Phil is now doing is the opposite of Lord Nelson’s action at the Battle of Copenhagen.
Phil has raised his telescope to his blind eye and announced ‘Nothing to see here, time to move on’
Nelson of course did it because he wished to be more aggressive. Phil is doing it because he wants to hide.
Don’t expect any action out of him.
I have heard that Phil has been using his time to rewrite the history of the New Zealand Labour Party. I thought that John A Lee was kicked out of the Party for attacking then leader Michael Joseph Savage for not being suitably Socialist. According to Phil it was because “John A LEE must have been Chinese and they didn’t allow Chinese people into the Party”
I have heard that you and Tanz have animal husbandry sessions together, or is that a flaccid partisan smear, just like yours?
A piece of dogshit in a suit would do a better job than Nick Smith or anyone else the National Party can muster.
So Twyford can hardly help but be a vast improvement. It’s just a pity he will have to spend so much time cleaning up the incontinent mess you voted for.
I actually find that I agree with part of each of these paragraphs.
I can agree with “is that a flaccid partisan smear”. Well yes it is but you seem fond of saying such things.
“A piece of dogshit in a suit would do a better job than Nick Smith”. Certainly. It is long past time for him to go.
“Twyford can hardly help”. Quite true. He simply isn’t much use for anything is he?
The rest of the words you used were, I’m sorry to have to say, total rubbish.
As I’m sure you Primary School teacher no doubt wrote on your Report.
“Must try harder”
Yep, but then he also said: “a very lazy person whose true ability is reflected by his exam results.”
Young relatives renting in Nelson have just been asked to front a 16% rent increase after 12 months of renting – and the current rent is by no means cheap. No improvement in the house – just greedy grabbing because they think they can.
We need to legislate rent controls urgently. I think that allowing this type of gouging does little to encourage people to build more houses – just inflates the price of the existing ones.
Student landlords are some of the worst.
My niece was looking at a campus-area flat, the landlord immediately grew nervous when her parents came in as well. “It’s an old flat”. Fair call – but the mould around the sink bench was pretty old, too. The guy didn’t even clean between tenants.
Aaaaaand being a kid, the niece still moved in despite advice. Parasites feeding on the young and inexperienced.
…also, the ways in which inexperience (ie: young landlord) can lead to parasitism, “but I’m a nice person!”
Predictable outcomes in such an unregulated market.
The first words of this post is to show the trolls who assumed that I got beat when I was a child and that all of us Maori culture people treasure our children and Moko.
I have never called anyone a white honkey this is what I was called .
Are your sandfly m8 putting the presser on you trolls to try and damage my Mana .Because all you trolls do is attack my post and everyone else can see this plan as day Ana to kai .
And it is obvious that the second part is to highlight the plight of OUR ladys and to support the cause of Equality for all . Its good having the trolls this give us all the dum ass neoliberal views. Don’t they know that we can read there intentions just by the way they write .
I say Opra Winfrey would make a excellent candidate for President big yes from ECO MAORI . Ka kite ano
I have never called anyone a white honkey this is what I was called
That’s what I thought you were saying – thanks.
If the ‘sandflies’ (I think that means the cops, or the establishment) start trying to tell me what to do I’ll let you know. Anything else is my own bias.
I like your comments, although they take a bit of getting used to. So does Shakespeare 😉
Don’t feel hassled, eco maori – those of us who are used to your comments knew what you were saying. James (deliberately?) misunderstood and he has his own motives for that.
Now I said that I did not get hit when I was a child our grown ups did not beat our young .But I did see some pissed men beat there partners this upset me I would go hide and when the verbal abuse started white honky I would go hide outside alcohol was part of the equation in both scenarios .
Many Thanks to Oprah Winfrey for supporting the ladys who have spoken out about there abuse by men and for Equality for all people Ka pai heres a link to her story at the Golden Globes.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11971476
And heres a link to Natalie Portmans support for the good cause Ka pai
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11971505
Ka kite ano
You say equality for all people but use a racist term like white honkey.
He also said this was verbal abuse! Read the comment rather than just responding to the two words you find objectionable.
I did read it. It’s pretty hard to make sense of.
Regardless – dosnt make using that term ok – or are you ok with people using racist terms?
[you’re on a left aligned political blog. The onus is on you to (a) make an effort to understand someone’s comment rather than just having a go, and (b) to understand political arguments around issues like race so you can argue against them (if that’s what you want to do). All I see is you trolling. Up your game, because this is getting tedious – weka]
Fuck you’re feeble this morning.
If it is hard for you to make sense of, why arrogantly assume that you have comprehended enough to make comment?
Stop being an apologist for racism
Stop being idiotic.
DNFTT
moderator note for your attention.
Got it – Thank you.
In fairness – I have tried to understand the original post in which the comment was made. It is hard to understand, but from what I could take out from it it was the ‘white honky’ who was the perpetrator of the verbal abuse.
There is really no excuse for the term – whilst its no as offensive (or have the same horrific background) as other racial slurs – it is still one.
Racial slurs against anybody are not OK – and Im kind of shocked that others seem to think that it is OK.
If you did not understand, then you ask for clarity before expressing your opinion.
That is, if you are truly engaged in honest discussions.
You defend bypassing that point – without any self-reflection.
What Molly said.
Think about it. If you don’t understand someone’s comment how can you reasonably respond to it? Better to walk away.
And your trolling wasn’t one comment or even one thread.
Surely what ever the context of a post, and despite it being a troll who rightfully in my opinion calls it out, “white honkey” should be treated the same as the N word and other racial slurs.
It’s going to be a clear double standard in moderating if some idiot uses slope, chink, monkey etc in a post and gets pulled up and banned for it.
Wouldn’t it just be best to remove the term used above and warn that all racial derogatives are unacceptable in their usage here?
It is a proverbial fault in the mindset…
Some slurs are ‘acceptable’…
Positive change becomes stunted when such mindsets waived on…
The ‘n’ word and the other epithets you mention do real harm. I’m not sure the same can be said of “honky”: it – like “pale, male, stale” doesn’t exacerbate or validate any systemic disadvantage.
Can we agree that whether it’s “offensive” or not is irrelevant?
I don’t doubt that it’s not as offensive, to some, as the N word, but it isn’t meant as a term of endearment.
It’s a term that carries a negative impact, based on skin colour, and for me is therefore just as unacceptable to use, especially here where equality should be the goal of all left wingers.
Pale, male and stale is not really a concern, but permitting the usage of white honkey, clearly race hate speech, does the standard no favours.
How offensive it is has no relevance. Some people get all whiny at “wingnut”.
According to a strict definition of racism, ‘honky’ isn’t racist, because it carries no implications of biologically determined superiority. Whether it has a negative impact depends entirely on context at the individual level.
I’m glad I’m not required to make a moderation ruling on the subject 🙂
I get what you’re saying, but honkey was prefixed with white.
If that’s allowed, than any insult proceeded by brown, yellow etc are the same.
I wouldn’t accept that here, would you?
I’d remove such comments and possibly ban off the back of it. (It depends.)
Thing you seem to be missing about racism is that it’s used by the powerful (or those associated with the powerful) against the less powerful or powerless (or those associated with being less powerful or powerless)
So “white honky” then, is a ineffectual slur. Nothing more.
I’m not powerful, and you’re not powerless, so Is Irish honkey okay? Or green wog?
You can no doubt make up some combination of shit that is never used that will press a “you’ve fucked me off now” button by and by.
Not sure you want to do that, but hey.
edit – and if you think power as expressed by the relative position of moderator/commenter on a blog is indicative of social relations, I suggest you go away and have a think about things.
I don’t respect you, or accept your authority over me at all.
You’ve shown yourself to be biased and unfair on numerous occasions. You’re neither balanced or equitable.
You know full well nothing I say or do will have any affect on the outcome you seek whatsoever. Seems like your often observed bias gives you a pre disposition to punish those who you can’t beat or control and protect or gratify those you support or those who pay you lip service.
I’m not ceding to you, so do what you want. 🙂
Jolly. Feel all the better for that do you? 🙂
Not as good as you, I bet, when you click than ban button and close down debate and silence dissenting voices.
Ouch. lol
As someone who’s been on the receiving end of Bill’s bans more than once, I sympathise with your feelings, and on this occasion I think you’re flat wrong.
I don’t think you’re giving the counter-argument much thought.
‘Honky’ isn’t equivalent to white supremacist rhetoric, because of the power imbalance. The answer to your question is a question: does this rhetoric enable or support white supremacy?
Because white supremacy is a thing. Being called a honky isn’t.
My opinion on Bill is set in granite. There is no wriggle room available.
As regards ‘white honky’ not being equal to supremacist rhetoric, sure, I’ve said as much up thread and accept the distinction.
I respect your right to your opinion, for you to call me wrong, though ultimately I do disagree with your conclusion for the following reason.
The points being made (obviously unsuccessfully) is allowing race based slurs, what ever the degree of offensiveness, perceived or otherwise, regardless of who posts them, is not a road the standard needs to be travelling.
Moderating one instance of race based insults differently from another, based on the skin colour of the victim or abuser, is an ill thought out, backwards misstep and nowhere the predominant left wing site in NZ needs to be.
I’m okay with being in a minority (no pun intended) on this issue, but I do ask fellow lefties to think about it before they post any race based insults or slurs.
Thanks.
Fair enough: it’s probably easier from a moderation perspective to excise all such terms rather than parsing the context every time. I note that this is exactly what Bill proposes (above at 3:39pm).
The context is important to the debate though, especially when the context is James paying lip service to human rights.
James is a right wing troll playing games with posters with a paucity of foresight and self control. He’s irrelevant, especially to the topic at hand.
I agree it would be best if moderators acted uniformly across the board, but if that isn’t going to happen, as it appears it won’t seeing as the comment is still there and no ‘please explain’ has been issued, then it must be a collective conscious effort to ensure this doesn’t become the norm.
There has been numerous debates here about context and privilege and racial slurs, and it may be of worth in this discussion if you can go back and read some of them.
Many regular authors and commenters have comprehensively explained why there is a marked difference in naming racism when it is practiced by those in power, compared to those without.
Just for ease of search, one of my comments on a December post may give a different perspective to you. (But as mentioned, many others here are very good at explaining. OAB is trying in this thread, but it is not apparent that you are taking time to read and consider what he is saying before hitting reply.)
Quoting myself – do I use quotes? – 👿
“I think you may be acutely aware of the “picking on white men”, because it is not often demographics in acknowledged positions of power get to experience what it is to be considered in terms primarily of race or gender – rather than as an individual.
But this happens consistently for people of colour and females.
I understand that those who use the term, often use it as a call to those in power – most usually – white males – to consider their privilege.
When those people in power – or those who are looking to acquire it – lump all women, māori or LGBT people together, they are reinforcing their status – not acknowledging the disparity.
Both the intent and the consequences are different.
A child telling their parent to go to their room, has only the words to call attention to bad behaviour. The parent carries the authority, emotional and physical power to enforce compliance.
Therein lies the difference you seek.”
I see up thread the white honkey remark has been explained as a received abusive insult, which obviously has had a lasting effect on the recipient. Shame.
But regardless of that, thanks for the post.
I, like all decent left leaning people, welcome the exposing and eradication of white/male privilege, in fact all privilige. It’s part of the job description, isn’t it?
But this isn’t a white privilege type incident, it a race based insult let loose and unchecked.
A google search of honky gives “a derogatory term used by black people for a white person or for white people collectively.” and the wiki https://www.google.com/search?q=honky&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b “a racist, derogatory word for white people”
I’m happy to let it go, but think there are no valid reasons for allowing or excusing this sort of comment on the standard.
Said my bit, so will still leave it up for the community to sort itself out.
Thanks for the reply, unioncitygreens. But a final point to make….
“Surely what ever the context of a post, and despite it being a troll who rightfully in my opinion calls it out, “white honkey” should be treated the same as the N word and other racial slurs.”
The N word has historical implications of slavery, the regard of people as property – ie. a thing, not human and when used – both emotively and viscerally brings up those associations.
The term “white honkey” – even if as you say is a derogatory term, calls to my mind – for some reason – a European guy in flared trousers and a wide brimmed hat.
The intent of the first is to belittle and deny personhood. The consequence of universal use of this term can be viewed in history, and it is all bad.
The intent of the second is usually to say “your perspective is white, and you are not seeing our lived experience”. The consequence of universal use of this this term is discomfort, which unfortunately may lead to violence. But that violence is often perpetrated by those who feel the discomfort – not those calling them out.
I used to have difficulty understanding the concept that racism can not be practised by minorities, and while I still find the phrasing simplistic, I find that it is not as hard to grasp as before.
Looking at context, intent and consequences goes a long way to help provide differentiation.
Climate change is impacting on New Zealand’s weather patterns.
Expect more storms, expect more flooding,
But don’t worry New Zealand you’re going to get some nice summers.
Now go back to sleep.
Keep buying your iPhones
Keep eating your steaks
Keep driving your urban 4wds
Keep taking your international holidays
Buy
Consume
And go back to sleep.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/100309777/why-extreme-weather-is-the-new-norm
OK zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Typed that up on a computer you made yourself out of flax, did you?
Flax? Far too sophisticated, technologically challenging, and quite inappropriate for his profound temporal ignorance.
I think it was more likely to be of some form of wattle and daub construction with strong (and pungent) glue of his prolific crap to match his sustained DIY effect in constructing his unmatched bullshit.
//——
Yeah we are going to get more extreme weather. This will result in some extreme insurance rates. But Ed’s list of woes bears little to no relationship to the actual major drivers of climate change. Where is the electricity generation, the manufacture of concrete, pollution of the oceans causing degradation of the sequestration mechanisms, and the deforestation?
Instead Ed concentrates on the relatively innocuous (apart from the air travel) because of his unsuspected (ny himself) ideological bigotries and because he is too lazy to spend time to actually understand the topic that he is talking about. Almost a parody of concern….
That hit a nerve.
If you have read my posts on climate change , you will see I reference our whole economic system as the problem.
And yes, as a society, we are asleep to the severity of the various crises we are facing as a result of climate change.
And I fear our reaction will be too little too late.
Clearly you don’t believe me.
Listen to Dr Kevin Anderson, Naomi Klein, George Monbiot.
Clearly you don’t believe me.
🙄
*opens popcorn*
How do you feel? Knowing the site admin has called you for
“his unsuspected (ny himself) ideological bigotries and because he is too lazy to spend time to actually understand the topic that he is talking about”
Surely those drivers are underpinned by a consumer society / doctrine of endless growth
.Plastic (in most cases the detritus of consumer goods packaging) in the ocean, agricultural run off resulting in dead zones, are the major causes of sea pollution
The vast areas of the Earth now given over to meat production has hugely driven deforestation, soil degradation and erosion, and methane release.
What is driving increases in energy consumption?
In a global economy that is dependent on eternal growth, needs are eclipsed by wants, to drive eternal consumption
That was my point.
Our capitalist consumer society is the problem.
Yep Ed, I was replying to IPrent.
I got your point
I always find mention of concrete with respect to climate change an interesting topic.
At the moment, yes it is a huge contributor to current anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. Around 5% by most credible looking estimates. Around half of that is from burning coal for process heat, and around half is the CO2 given off during the calcination process in making the cement.
But some of the CO2 given off during calcination gets reabsorbed back into the concrete over its lifetime, maybe decades or centuries.
When we get to the point of requiring zero carbon emissions, the process heat requirements can easily be supplied by renewable electricity. The CO2 given off during calcination should be easy to capture, and hopefully a variety of viable sequestering methods will become available for the various cement-making locations around the world.
So with a combination of renewables supplying the process heat and sequestering the CO2 from calcination, concrete production has the potential to go from being a large emitter to being a smallish slow-but-steady carbon sink.
Without googling the specifics, the life-span of concrete is something in the order of 50-100 years, which surely renders it useless as a viable carbon sink.
The CO2 is absorbed as a carbonation reaction in the concrete, so it’s permanently sequestered. When a concrete structure is demolished and crushed, it actually increases the absorption rate by increasing the surface area to volume ratio, and shortening the path length from the surface to uncarbonated concrete.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/11/cement-soaks-greenhouse-gases
Aha! Thanks 🙂
PS: have concrete manufacturers cottoned on to this? I guess it means their ETS bill is too high…
A few thoughts come to mind:
On the off-chance they haven’t thought of it, DON’T give them ideas.
Going from paying 5/8 of fuck-all to 3/8 of fuck-all is still fuck-all difference.
Aren’t they one of the industries that basically got given a free pass anyway?
Don’t think so.
…and I think the ETS should be scrapped and replaced by a carbon tax, which should accurately reflect carbon footprints, and that carbon footprints should be calculated according to the facts.
If Zhu Liu et al stands up to further study why shouldn’t it be part of those calculations?
PS: it looks like leaks from natural gas facilities and fracking contribute a lot more atmospheric methane that previously understood. I think farmers should be making noises about this with regard to their own liabilities too (once they start taking responsibility for them, that is).
Yeah, you’re right. I have a serious kneejerk reaction to industries that are still major coal users.
In any case, looks to me like crediting for slow sequestering being done some time in the future at a variable rate is a conversation that can comfortably wait until we have a carbon pricing scheme that’s got enough teeth to actually affect business decisions.
There’s gnarly questions like do you apply a different rate to concrete used in a hydro dam that’s tens of metres thick and may be there for centuries and won’t be fully carbonated for millenia, vs concrete used in porous paver slabs where it all happens in years? Whereas the emissions are happening now and affecting people and climate now.
But if the industry gets serious about emissions and eliminates fossil fuels, and starts capturing and sequestering CO2 from calcination, then I’ll start getting enthusiastic about crediting them for their product sequestering CO2 into the future.
…and by the time it winds its way through the courts it’ll be 2060 anyway.
Which brings us (uncomfortably) back to Bill’s point about time running out.
Ed
Classic troll remarks from James yet again.
We all must ignore his/her’s input as useless information as usual.
“ignorance is bliss” is the usual to James and his/her’s ilk.
I am ignoring commentators like him.
And yet here you both are, talking about him 🙄
Those remarks are cruel and cutting OAB and Iprent. Where is your meaningful contribution? Or is cutting personal comments it?
As a concerned layperson I would like to know more than I do about climate change. I notice rude and precious remarks if any but a few comment here about their concerns regarding weather or climate.
We are all at different levels of ability, and impatient sarcasm is rather grating in this arena. Googling provides a variety of opinions and facts, sometimes leading to more confusion not less.
Ed is saying we are asleep at the wheel. Well the open letters from scientists warning us of the growing dangers in the human element of climate change seem to support his view. They appear desperate to awaken us.
So I wonder why you try to close such discussion down with your withering attacks? Now I am probably going to get a nasty spray.
I can’t speak for Lprent. For my part, I think that sloppy presentation of dubious assertions is an easy target for opposition talking points and ridicule.
This obscures and hampers informed argument and opinion, and makes substantive positive change less likely.
So the reason I give Ed a serve is because I think his behaviour ‘comforts the enemy’.
Thank you Patricia.
I was surprised by the hostility of the comments I received.
New Zealand is still incredibly complacent about the severity of the impacts climate change will have and seems unwilling to make any sacrifices to mitigate those effects.
I find quite a few people in this site ( and not just the predictable trolls) seem to want to stop discussion of this subject.
Red herrings, non-sequiturs, and poorly-presented cut ‘n’ paste jobs don’t facilitate discussion, they obscure and divert it.
Don’t be surprised, Ed. You’ll swiftly become accustomed to it. A noxious brew of snark and pretentiousness is the beverage of choice for some folk. Once you learn to tune them out, you’ll find your time here improves immeasurably.
It says Open Mike.
I am keen to share stories from the news that I believe are important.
Some of these are
Climate change.
NZ’s environment and waterways
A plant based diet, climate change and ‘speciesism’
Alcohol’s impact on New Zealand
The connection between neoliberalism and so many of the crises facing New Zealand – inequality, obesity, housing, ….
Sure. It’s Open Mike. Fill your boots, mate. Just be aware the fact it’s Open Mike doesn’t preclude the possibility of you being dog-piled for any one of a number of spurious reasons.
Courtesy of Urban Dictionary: Dogpile
“A disagreement on an Internet message board wherein one person says something wrong or offensive, and a large number of people comment in response to tell the person how wrong and/or horrible they are, and continue to disparage the original commenter beyond any reasonable time limit.”
Welcome to the Interwebs! Have fun and stay safe.
Please keep on doing that So often I really enjoy your thoughtful agle they are ‘thought provoking.’
We all attract viperous comments form the right here as t is hurting them so much they just need to lash out.
Consider it a win to provoke the ire.
National hate it when the truth hurts and it is a lot now.
So National pundits here clearly hate talking about environmental climate change and All related subjects.
Thank you.
The best serious source for Climatology is Real Climate, authored by Climate scientists, and presented for more of a ‘lay’ audience than peer-reviewed material.
If you’re looking for something a bit more in-depth, Prof. David Archer’s free undergraduate level course “Climate 101” isn’t available any more, but all the lectures and course materials are. If you’re interested in the science of AGW I highly recommend having a good look at them 🙂
Thank you OAB, I will take a close interest.
I do think ed takes up a lot of commenting space, with a lot of comments, without adding a lot of depth to the discussion – just seems like attention getting. I tend to scroll past a lot of them.
Fewer comments with more thought behind them would add more to the discussion.
Incidentally, some of the early lectures are very good primers on Quantum Mechanics, mostly because Prof. Archer is a ‘layperson’ in QM.
Ed irritates the shit out of me, too. Because he keeps spamming us with the same stuff over and over and over again. On the rare occasions he points to something new, he’s generally not particularly discriminating about sources, just copying and pasting screeds of stuff from someone ‘interpreting’ for a wider audience. Usually the new interesting stuff backed by credible science gets posted here by someone else directly watching the credible sources.
Those links posted by OAB are good. My fave is Skeptical Science, that features in the sidebar quite a bit. They have good easy-to-find sections about the history of understanding climate, faqs about bullshit denier arguments etc.
Hey Ed the trolls are out in force today are they waiting again for another full moon?
Like Rachel Stewart, I’m as mad as hell about the state of our waterways.
‘Can’t wait to see what the new Govt’s gonna’ do about water. Because whatever it is, the public have reached their limit. No bigger mandate for action than that.,’
I am like 75 percent of New Zealanders , who are extremely or very concerned about the pollution of our waterways.’
Like Martin Taylor of Fish and Game, I’m outraged by the state of our waterways.
‘”When you can’t swim in Lake Taupō because of the toxic alert it remains in front of the public eye.
“When you have to cancel an international sporting event in Taupō because of water quality, when Lake Ellesmere is so toxic that it’s going to kill your pet – it will remain in the public eye,” he said.
Mr Taylor said 2018 needed to be the year of change from both the government and the corporate dairy industry.
https://t.co/wbEq4Et762?amp=1
Jesus a outraged and mad as hell all by 8am – you really did wake up in the wrong side of the bed.
Try having a nice coffee and a chill pill.
Those are not your own words, yet you present them as though they are. That’s called “plagiarism”. You may recall paying lip service to IP rights when the National Party stole Eminem’s property the way you just stole RNZ’s
I missed the quote marks. That was an accident.
You will note I use them if you read my posts .
You know exactly what I think of your lazy, rude, counterproductive attitude to comment formatting.
Goodness me!
Sounds like a parody of a school report
Ed’s posts can be seen as opening up a discussion about the drivers of climate change.
You attempt to shut him down on grounds of grammar
To continue the conversation about what we can do about mitigating climate change.
My source is Wikipedia.
“Lifestyle and behavior
The IPCC Fifth Assessment Report emphasises that behaviour, lifestyle and cultural change have a high mitigation potential in some sectors, particularly when complementing technological and structural change. In general, higher consumption lifestyles have a greater environmental impact. Several scientific studies have shown that when people, especially those living in developed countries but more generally including all countries, wish to reduce their carbon footprint, there are four key “high-impact” actions they can take:
1. Not having an additional child (58.6 tonnes CO2-equivalent emission reductions per year)
2. Living car-free (2.4 tonnes CO2)
3. Avoiding one round-trip transatlantic flight (1.6 tonnes)
4. Eating a plant-based diet (0.8 tonnes)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_mitigation
or they can be seen as “prolific crap to match his sustained DIY effect in constructing his unmatched bullshit.”
I’m not trying to shut him down. I’m trying to get him to format his comments so that they’re clearer and more legible, because right now all they do is get in the way.
“all they do is get in the way” – unlike yours?
…but a tree is blocking, the water flowing…
I agree with you, francesca…
OAB clearly lacks self awareness, self control and self discipline…
As can be witnessed through the bullying, stalker tactics employed on a daily basis, against ‘the enemy’…
Despite being banned and called out as an abusive bully on a regular basis, OAB relentlessly continues on, essentially using the same approach OAB accuses and ‘ridicules’ Ed and others for using by ‘stifling debate’
Projection, hypocrisy and abuse are the primary ‘weapons’ of choice
There’s a whole support group for you over at Yawnz.
They arnt really ‘your post’ are they? They are normally just great big cut and paste jobs of others work or comment with little to no value add.
Well, bugger me, irritating gadfly James makes lateral slide and supports one anonymous bloke with ‘my way or the highway’ attitude.
Gonna be a great year!
On Twitter
‘I can’t wait for the @Fonterra tv advert where they mention that they are the 2nd biggest user of coal in #NZ.’
https://mobile.twitter.com/threeboysbrew
Actual link.
Thanks again Ed for waking the sleepy hobbits up to the reality that we all are wrecking our future and our kids and grand-kids too.
At least Shane Jones has vowed to reopen the Napier/Wairoa section of our East coast railway again now.
Reducing many trucks from overusing our energy and polluting our planet with 5 times the emissions that rail would do carting the same freight the same distance.
http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/3171835-135/minister-promises-talks-with-wairoa-on
Minister promises talks with Wairoa on rail line
by Ann Revington, Wairoa Star Published: January 8, 2018 11:00AM
IT WILL be a red letter day for Wairoa when the Napier to Wairoa rail line is reopened, Minister of Forestry Shane Jones said in Parliament.
His words came during the second reading of the Wairoa Treaty Settlement bill.
“For the people of Wairoa who whakapapa to this area, I want to make you this promise,” he said.
“That the provincial fund regional development minister, delegated KiwiRail authority, is coming to talk with the regional council to reopen the railway from Wairoa to Napier.”
Mr Jones said when that happened, they would make a tremendous day of it.
“The challenges for these groups in provincial New Zealand do not diminish just because we are affirming both the ills and the course of our history, but they carry on well after the passage of this legislation.”
Twelve members from both sides of the House spoke in support during the second reading of Te Iwi and Hapu of Te Rohe o Te Wairoa Claims Settlement Bill.
The bill’s first reading for the fourth-largest settlement in the country was on March 14.
The second reading related to the settlement — and an apology — of a treaty claim by iwi and hapu of Te Rohe o Te Wairoa, where the Crown recognised the iwi and hapu of Te Rohe o Te Wairoa had long sought to right the injustices they had suffered at the hands of the Crown, and was deeply sorry that it had failed until now to address the injustices appropriately.
Another one who can’t attribute other people’s work.
I doubt anyone who reads The Standard qualifies as a “sleepy hobbit”.
…and the rude lazy ones need to start paying more attention to the reply button, as well as basic facts.
Thanks for you support clean green.
As you say, the sleepy hobbits need to wake up.
Great news Cleangreen.
Hopefully they’ll reopen it and start the electrification of it as well. If they do that then the boost in employment and training would be massive and hugely beneficial.
An excellent piece from John King describing the growing (forgive the pun) movement of “Regenerative Farming” in Australia.
Hard lessons taught by Nature have forced a rethink…
“Why do farmers leave behind science, support, and certainty of modern advice to do what is considered counter-intuitive?
Rob Rex charged into chemical farming in the mid 80s when no-till was all the rage in Western Australia. Within 10 years he was fighting new production problems but it wasn’t until he took a break at his holiday house at Walpole River that it really hit home. The family loved to go down and pull mud oysters from the estuary, filling up a super sack in 30 minutes to cook at home. But that all changed in 95 when after a wet winter every oyster was dead, along with freshwater prawns. What frustrates him is how other farmers have a salesman mentality – once anything runs down the creek it’s gone.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/100415866/john-king-farmers-who-flip-back-to-nature
Thank you for sharing.
Very interesting post. Thanks
Phew this page is doing my head in this morning. Surely all comments about climate change, whether they be academic or emotional should be accepted with the grace they have been submitted. The situation of planet earth is dire and we should be all trying to do our bit to right the wrongs this planet is suffering from.
Stop trying to interrupt the flow of discussion with your nit picking about cutting and pasting and other such drivel – its counter productive – and it sounds like there are some on this site who don’t think there is anything toxic going on with the climate at all the way they are nit picking which is a real worry all on its own.
Thank you Kate.
I was surprised by the ferocity of the comments I received.
New Zealand is still incredibly complacent about the severity of the impacts climate change will have and seems unwilling to make any sacrifices to mitigate those effects.
I don’t think OAB or others are deniers, WK. They seem pretty clued up about climate. They shouldn’t be so negative and personal when responding to someone who’s putting his concerns in front of us, though. After all, that’s what the Open Mike section is for.
Ed, I do think it would help you to avoid this kind of negativity if you looked at how to give people links without cutting and pasting big sections of text. There’s advice about this on the FAQ section of the site. This can also help with things like using italics (which is a good way of making it clear when you are quoting). I found this sections of the site really useful when I wanted to improve my formatting.
I know how to do this but I find it hard to do off a mobile phone.
Ed says “Now go back to sleep.
Keep buying your iPhones”
then
“I know how to do this but I find it hard to do off a mobile phone.”
The irony is strong in this one
Go back to sleep James you irritate us all.
People the temperature in Sydney in the 8th was a record 47.3c
That is climate change now presenting the truth.
He tells us not to do one thing – while doing the exact thing he told us not to.
That’s not me bein sleepy – that’s just ,well, DUH
…but making it harder for everyone else to read, that’s just fine, eh. Don’t go putting yourself to any effort, whatever you do 🙄
I try to use quote marks.
Any chance you could lay off the aggro?
When you start formatting comments so they’re legible, pertinent and contain some original material, I’ll stop asking you to improve their format, relevance and accuracy. If you find that aggressive I’d hate to think what would happen if I started criticising you, rather than your behaviour.
You speak for yourself, I don’t find him difficult to understand. Not everybody has to be a policy wonk/geek/arrogant academic/pedantic in this world to contribute to this page or people like Ed who contribute.
No-one is obliged to take my advice whatsoever. I’m not alone in my opinion of Ed’s contributions – cf: Lprent Andre and Carolyn’s remarks above, and R/B’s advice to match my own.
Over the last few weeks, Ed and his groupies have taken to calling me a right wing climate denying troll. If you think that’s going to just pass by unremarked you’re sadly mistaken.
I’m not alone in my opinion of Ed’s contributions – cf: Lprent Andre and Carolyn’s remarks above, and R/B’s advice to match my own.
Add me to that list. If someone’s pasting external content into a comment it needs to be linked and it needs to be formatted so that its clearly differentiated from the commenter’s own words. There should also be some explanation of why the commenter is drawing it to our attention and what their thoughts on it are. If a person can’t be arsed with those courtesies or regards them as a menu of options to choose from, they can expect to cop some flak, especially if they post a lot.
If he can cut and paste the content, he can cut and paste the damned blockquote tags.
“Not everybody has to be a policy wonk/geek/arrogant academic/pedantic in this world to contribute….”
Thank you WK…I suspect that there is much copy and pasting going on from that crowd…surely they don’t think in ideological dogmaspeak.
It’s not pedantry to want to be able to distinguish the cut and paste content that might be interesting from the hyperbolic and often barely related commentary ed likes to add.
“Phew this page is doing my head in this morning” Mine too, Whispering Kate. I’m getting really distressed with the appalling rudeness and constant derailment. I value good grammar, but I value good manners even higher. And why oh why do people keep answering known trollers?
I’ll answer James when he makes a valid point or engages, as at 1.2.1.1
As for good manners, Ed has made it clear that he doesn’t want to put the effort into making his comments legible even though he knows how.
“And why oh why do people keep answering known trollers?
Occasionally, for the readers who don’t comment. To provide relief.
Just as you and Whispering Kate have done this morning for me, on addressing the dogpiling disrupting discourse.
Food for thought re the Waka-jumping bill
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/100407886/wakajumping-bill-gives-too-much-power-to-party-leaders
9 The Chairman. If a politician leaves/ goes against his party he/she was elected to represent without leave, of course they should lose office and have to go back to the voters.
If I was employed to implement a business programme and ran counter to that I would be sacked. The rest is semantics.
But businesses are generally not democratically-run organisations, are they?
In politics there should be room, a lot of room in fact, for personal conscience & integrity (cue: Jim Anderton). To a degree, this can be seen as ‘self-interest’. The question to me is where self-interest stops aligning with that of the people you’re supposed to represent and becomes more of a solo/egotistical act, for want of a better description. In other words, all actions of a political representative operate within a dynamic continuum (i.e. on a spectrum) of individual/personal & social/collective imperatives. [Yes, I made that up myself in case someone wondered and starts asking for a link 😉 ]
Anderton left Labour under FPP. He was elected to represent an electorate, and we continued to elect him as our rep after he left. He was a bloody good local MP and his local electorate supported him.
Under FPP there was not concept of proportionality – the government was simply formed by the party which had won the most electorates. Sometimes that wasn’t the party which had won the most votes.
I guess there’s a case to make about treating electorate and list MPs differently if they leave the party – you could argue that electorate MPs have an individual mandate and list MPs don’t. Either way, proportionality is upset, though (particularly if it’s a small party).
It’s true that there was an irony in Anderton (Labour-New Labour-Alliance-Progressive) championing the last waka jumping bill, but let’s remember the rash of waka jumping that had really distorted those early MMP parliaments (“the Tight Five”, Alamein Kopu… naked self interest and betrayal of the people who elected them). And while the the split in the Alliance was ugly and damaging (and the pretence of staying with the party during the parliamentary term while setting up the Progressives was somewhat shabby), it was more than just one or two MPs going off on their own and I don’t think it was just self interest or egotism. I also doubt that 60% of the caucus would have voted for expulsion (but who knows?).
It seems we’re largely in agreement.
Proportionality may not be as big an issue as some make it out to be; it comes across as self-serving at times …
Politics is messy & ugly at times and so it should be. Governments do fall from time to time and so it should be. Countries can and do run themselves while politicians sort out their ‘differences’; often it is down to internal party politics more than anything.
We (humans) seem to resist change and upsetting status quo and tend to lean towards (wilful) ignorance & indecisiveness, laziness, apathy & lethargy (inaction), and denial to name a few and this is nowhere more obvious than in the so-called public-political realm (cue: Hannah Arendt).
I secretly (!) admire rebels & renegades although they can be a real pain in the proverbial, especially in the ‘heat of the moment’. When the dust settles it is usually BAU in a slightly different way and/or environment; I think this is o.k. – small vs. big picture stuff 😉
The proportionality of Parliament can be preserved in both cases. A list MP who leaves their party can simply be replaced by another list MP.
Where an electorate MP switches parties, list MPs could be brought in to preserve proportionality. That would create an overhang, but I think that’s preferable to allowing National Party bribery to carry the day.
To genuinely retain the proportionality you would also have to take some other actions when an Electorate seat changes hands in a by-election.
If a non-MP from an already represented Party wins a seat you would have to remove one of their existing List MPs. Otherwise, not only would that Party get an extra MP but the original Party that lost the seat would lose one.
If an existing MP won the seat you would have to give the party losing the seat an extra List member but not add a new list one to the party that now held the electorate.
What should you do if there is an Electoral Petition and an otherwise unrepresented party wins the seat? Do they get a few other List MPs as they now hold an electorate? And do some of the existing List MPs get the chop a year after they took their seats.
No. I think that you have to have some finality to an election. You can’t just keep changing the MPs for the next three years to reflect odd variations in the events long after the result was “final”.
Waka-jumping is fundamentally different from by-elections, because by-elections invoke the will of the electorate, whereas waka-jumping thwarts the will of the electorate.
Obviously the best solution would be for the National Party to behave more ethically, and since that’s never going to happen, needs must.
I quite agree that they are different. However the principle of maintaining the proportionality of Parliament still applies. If you believe it matters if someone leaves their party it should also matter after a by-election.
You second paragraph is rubbish. They are at least as ethical as any of the other parties in Parliament, and more so that a couple of them.
A Waka-jumping law would of course have meant that Jim Anderton would have been kicked out of Parliament in 1989. He couldn’t have hung around for 18 months could he?
Winston Peters, and Tariana Turia at least had the grace to resign and run in the subsequent by-elections.
I don’t expect you to agree, but you will nonetheless struggle to provide evidence of anything as perfidious as the behaviour exposed by The Hollow Men or Dirty Politics. Nor will you find the Law Society warning the UN about other parties undermining the rule of law.
The principle of maintaining the proportionality of Parliament doesn’t apply in by-elections at all, so that’s a red herring.
I think I can probably come up with a more substantive list of “cons” for this proposal than you’re managing.
Chief of which is the fact that MPs are elected and laws that interfere with that need a bloody good reason to do so. The National Party’s behaviour provides that reason.
alwyn, let’s remember that Anderton left Labour before MMP. Proportionality didn’t apply.
There are plenty of discussions to be had about how to ensure that the will of the electorate isn’t subjugated to the impulses/decisions (or even consciences) of individual MPs. It could be argued that after a by-election there is a new mandate (ie, the electorate has had fresh input).
OAB, the fact that electorate MPs are counted when overall numbers are calculated means the issue of proportionality remains (mostly if the parties that lose or gain MPs are small).
I’m not opposed in principal to a waka-jumping law.
I realise that a by-election can affect the proportionality of Parliament: after all, they’re often regarded as a popularity test for the incumbent government.
However, they differ from waka-jumping in one significant respect: the will of (at least some of) the people is involved.
I think the case for annulling the will of an individual electorate (to return Ms. Smith to Parliament) is a lot weaker than if list MP Ms. Smith accepts inducements from Stephen Joyce and switches sides.
An interesting opinion in the Herald about Kiwis and our attitude towards free-range breasts.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11971794
Interesting is the (singular) anecdotal story about the teenage girl in spain asking for a light for her ciggie from a bunch of teenage boys whilst topless; and the boys acted sensibly… It is almost like humans can control their own thoughts and emotions… given the reactions in NZ over “glittertit-gate” you would think us males at least were driven by the need to touch boobies
Interesting to read and hear speculation from the States that Oprah Winfrey may be considering running for President…
Her speech at the Golden Globes last night was certainly moving. I don’t like the idea that rich amateurs can ride on a wave of fame into the Oval Office, and Winfrey’s TV show was (as I recall) often pulpy feel-good pseudotherapy, but hey – she’d be better than Trump! 🙄
Personally, I think she’d be a terrible choice for the Democrats.
After the Trump train weck, I’d say Americans will be screaming out for a stable experienced politician that actually knows how politics/ diplomacy work, not another egotistical billionaire/ TV star.
Hey, I agree with you about rich, famous amateurs, BM. But you and I are not an American voters…
New Zealand of course elected John Key’s government , at least partly on the basis of his being rich and new to politics – but most New Zealanders would I am sure agree that he was not as obviously destructive to the country and his own party as Trump.
Too early to tell really, trump may not last a second term and has a difficult legislature to negotiate while on his first term. His damage may be more outside of the USA as it was pretty screwed internally way before he arrived.
Whereas Shonky/Blinglish had 3 terms of wrecking ball behaviour commencing with their initial 90 days of across the board snip here, cut there, hobble everywhere. Maori Party duly assisted and paid the price at the recent GE.
Time will tell, particularly the legacy in Health, Education, Water Quality and infrastructure as they started precious little major Infrastructure, except roads for their civil/trucking backers.
Systemic rail closure/under investment under national including the removal of lines through inaction (Gisbourne). The deliberate use of housing to game the economy has locked out many kiwis from home ownership. There’s a couple of destructive actions for the economy off the top of my head.
So lets see how it plays out shall we as we continue to discover the reality hidden by an owned media and a cowered public service.
Oh and please remember they started with nett ZERO crown debt and we grew about 12% during their tenure as context to show why Health is 30% under funded currently as one example.
He wasn’t really that “new to politics”. He had been 6 years in Parliament and had been Leader of the Opposition for about 2 years.
That was about 1 year less as an MP and 1 year more as Opposition Leader than David Lange. Pretty similar and certainly not what I would call “new to politics”
He wasn’t like Trump or Winfrey.
I suppose you would also have to consider that Dwight Eisenhower, in my view the best President of my lifetime, was new to electoral politics when he became President in 1952. Didn’t seem to be a problem there.
Fair how you rank him highly, but Eisenhower had had pretty good experience ranked just below Commander In Chief , and had commanded the entire allied forces in both war and reconstruction, so had pretty good experience in a core part of the job of President, that of Commander-In-Chief.
Well, Harding won 1920 in a landslide with a “Return to Normalcy” campaign. While he stayed fairly popular up until he karked it, history hasn’t been kind.
When the present system isn’t working then having someone who knows how politics/ diplomacy work and just reinforces the broken system is probably not the best option.
I would agree with you about stable.
But there is little public appetite I see for more professional politicians across advanced democratic states right now.
The USA isn’t going to get another Obama – which is who you really describe.
This is a great age for outsider aspirants with little experience in the system breaking through and looking at things afresh. Like Trump himself.
As for polttical values, Oprah has been the patron saint of liberal causes for three decades.
Plus, to get the job you need a dumptruck of capital and unbeatable profile.
Oprah has both.
Oprah Winfrey is far too intelligent and, more importantly, far too savvy to want to run for president, imho
heh
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https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/950048793185210368
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/950048793185210368.html
Natrad begins the new working year with an engaging interview with Mihingarangi Forbes.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018628166
Inclusion, education and bridge building….
(and still some fwit texted in complaining about Te Reo on Natrad and ‘maybe its about time we had a Pakeha radio station’…
Maybe a good time to reprise this….
What will be the visible signs that the new government is making real change?
I walked along WIllis Street recently above the intersection with Dixon Street. Its an area with some commercial buildings being turned into student flats / higher end apartments, but includes an office for the Ministry of Social Development, with a security guard stoping people wanting to enter until he has checked that they are on alist that he has to allow admission. I gather there is another guard inside to stop problems if they occur inside.
A little further is a charity shop, then a church, with a container shop in one of its car parks – at the time I walked past there was a queue of people waiting for it to open for free food. In the next block there are a lot of student apartments, and across the road the electorate office of Grant Robertson.
I don’t think it unreasonable to expect that by the next election (and possibly quite a bit earlier), neither the container food bank or the guards will be needed. The security guards are a symptom of National’s punitive attitude to beneficiaries, and their rundown of services to the unemployed and mentally ill, but also result from poor management – ACC had similar issues (National interpreted that legislation as harshly as they could get awaay with as well), but ACC reconfigured offices to provide protection for staff wthout as many security staff.
What else can we expect to see from our change in government?
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Better employment law and practices, more affordable and state houses, significant improvements to water quality practices (the actual water quality to go with them may take a little longer). A more equitable tax system…
*Education systems that work more effectively where teachers are treated with respect; collegeality is encouraged and support is adequate. Also teacher training, especially for primary and high school teachers is improved so teachers have a better understanding not so much of their subject matter, but of the children they are teaching. Far too many children are expelled (as in, thrown out onto the streets) because teachers lack the knowledge they need to deal effectively with children who are troubled and non-compliant.
*Systems that do not see pre-schoolers and the elderly primarily as cash cows.
*Marijuana is decriminalised and a real effort is made to stamp out methamphetamine use
The windup of certain notorious rorts, including Brownlee’s Southern Response, the soft loans to Mediaworks, and Bill’s wife’s suicide empire.
Constructive regional development initiatives, especially based on sustainable aquaculture and processing of primary products for domestic markets.
The windup of the English mills – the fake courses that are in fact selling citizenship in some form or other, and the enforcement of existing immigration law that requires good faith efforts to employ NZ citizens before migrant workers may be accessed.
I know people are probably bored with the Rhythm & Vines boob grab, but I had a slightly different interpretation of it, without wanting to derail the rape culture thread.
I wonder if folk are familiar with dongchim – an activity which is prolific among Korean children (and apparently Taiwanese and Japanese children under the name of Kancho).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9iBXXqP2Bw
This is I believe a kind of play which is a variation of the mock attacks that can be seen in juvenile mammals of all kinds, but commonly in dogs or primates. As with other primate play behaviours, mock attacks decrease with age (Juvenile Primates: Life History, Development and Behavior, Pereira et al eds), so that dongchim is abundant among elementary school children, decreasing by middle school, and largely absent among high school students.
Given this context, I’d be inclined to interpret the R&V boob grab as an exhibition of late juvenile behavior, the kind of thing that might be done as a primitive attention grab by someone lacking the skills or confidence to attempt a conventional introduction. If so, the slapping the perpetrator received would be more appropriate than if it were interpreted as a preliminary to rape, which surely ought to attract the more consequential penalties of legal censure. (Which given the availability of the film is surely possible).
I’m not sure whether interpreting an activity as rape, with its overtones of fear, is more or less of a deterrent than labelling the perpetrator as socially inept and juvenile.
I agree that it was ‘socially inept and juvenile’, but in the current social climate where to be female is a fairly risky business, the reasons for the action are rather secondary to the perceptions of the victim (and the rest of us). I am guessing that many, if not most of us deal with some degree of Post Traumatic Distress from our life encounters with inappropriate and threatening male behaviour and this sort of action serves as a trigger way out of proportion to what may otherwise be seen as a relatively minor incident by those unaware of the inherent ramifications.
I don’t think acknowledging this action as juvenile and attention-seeking is inconsistent with it also being sexist and offensive, Stuart. It seems to me that they guy was using this young woman’s body to show off to his mates and get their approval. He wasn’t seeing her as a person, he was seeing her body as territory to be marked or claimed, or a playground. He was proving himself to be a “real man” in what he clearly thought of as a jokey way, but what he wasn’t thinking about was the actual person whose body was being appropriated to make this statement to the world.
And in some ways his motivations don’t really matter. You say, I’m not sure whether interpreting an activity as rape, with its overtones of fear, is more or less of a deterrent than labelling the perpetrator as socially inept and juvenile. I think we can certainly label this guy (and others like him) as socially inept and juvenile, but that doesn’t stop his behaviour being part of a spectrum that includes and facilitates rape. And the fear belongs to the victim, but is also inflicted to some degree on women in general. I know it’s something I’ve experienced many times, although I’ve never been raped. It’s something that limits most women’s behaviour and affects our sense of (in)security in the world.
Thanks for not wanting to derail the other discussion thread.
Thank you red blooded for thinking your way through the posited point and explaining your position so cogently.
15. Stewart Munro Many women have experienced grabbing/ checking.
I did. As a younger teacher, I was grabbed two handed by a senior staff member, who said “Oh they are real boobs. Just checking”
Three other staff members remonstrated with him. I said “How would you feel if I grabbed at your private areas?” The response was “I’d like it”
I said “That wouldn’t happen, as it would be unprofessional, and you are not attractive to me”. Those present told him he deserved that reply.
This man finally did other silly and serious stuff which led to his removal by the then inspectorate.
Nobody realised how nervous I became about working late, and if he entered a room where I was alone I would leave. Many women have been accosted at their work, and even in the modern world there are predators who treat cornering women as a game of one-up-manship.
It has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with power, or the misuse of it.
Rape in the technical sense is theft, relating to the old idea of virginity or conjugal rights as being property.
Nonsense. It’s not rape, it’s sexual assault. It’s illegal. Being juvenile is no legal defense.
It is being interpreted as part of rape culture.
Even pretty young people can understand not doing illegal things.
We are not animals – we have the ability from a young age, of understanding when behaviour is considered unacceptable.
End of.
The conflict between positions seems to be one of realms.
The commenting women chiefly interpret the action in terms of threat and a continuing threat environment.
You have raised the legal environment which is different again. I’m inclined to prefer what the woman did on the spot to the legal solution because legal approaches to sexual offending have their own problems. They often become a contributing oppression on top of the offensive act. And, the success of punishment or rehabilitation approaches to sexual offending is not encouraging.
I was taking more of a behaviourist approach, and I’d agree with Patricia Bremner that the R&V event was a power play. So I was describing the action as a juvenile behavior in a behavioural sense. The dongchim behavior in the video I linked, though normal between students of a certain age in those countries, would (according to my Korean friends) never be done to a Korean teacher, and is presumably a power play also. Understanding its meaning in context matters however, as neither a slap nor a sexual harassment prosecution would be appropriate to children dongchiming a teacher – though fairly stern deterrence for the disrespectful act would not be out of place.
In the case of R&V probably the police should prosecute – there seems to be incontrovertible evidence of an offence. A sentence binding over the assailant to cause no more such problems would seem to be appropriate.
Stuart, I think I was pretty clear about accepting this behaviour as juvenile, and a display to gain others’ approval. Yes, subconsciously it was a power play. But power dynamics are at the heart of sexist behaviour and sexist power structures.
I don’t see this action as sexually motivated – he certainly wasn’t overcome by lust. And while what we’ve been calling rape culture is a dynamic that evokes fear and feelings of disempowerment, I think we have to see this as an ugly part of a even bigger issue – patriarchy.
That word causes backlash sometimes – it’s gained connotations of being somehow anti-male – but the fact is that women have not yet gained equality with men in our society. While we’ve made progress that should be celebrated, we’re not there yet. We all know that women do more unpaid labour, earn less, have less power in the workplace, are subjected to more sexual harassment and violence, are still discouraged from being assertive, are still judged more by appearances… And men are also limited by gender stereotypes (as are people who don’t see themselves as clearly male or female).
I’m not trying to exaggerate the significance of one incident. It only became a talking point because it was caught on camera, the woman reacted by punishing the guy and then she was criticised for doing so. I do think that a lot of women who wouldn’t think of ourselves as vigilante types did think, “Good on you!” and feel like we should stick up for this young woman because we’ve been there, been grabbed like that. Yes, it’s about fear and celebrating a young woman who didn’t let that keep her down, but it’s also about the bigger picture.
Ok – good point about empowering a personal response.
Patriarchy is mixed term for guys – it is used as a group noun against us from time to time.
But the structures of power that are problematic are more greed linked than gender linked – George Carlin’s “big club and you ain’t in it”.
I certainly do not agree that the structures of power that are problematic are more greed linked than gender linked. There are different dynamics that interweave and reinforce each other, but gender power structures (patriarchy) are common across all human societies, have repressed and limited women throughout history and continue to affect how women are seen, see ourselves, are treated and are (under)rated today.
I see feminism as part of my overall leftist view of the world, but I think a feminist perspective can enlighten any political philosophy and I know plenty of people who wouldn’t regard themselves as particularly left-leaning who have a feminist instinct and plenty of lefties (some of whom comment on this site) who don’t.
Well, if you really want to get into the perpetrator’s head, the thought that occurred to me was “self absorbed and entitled”.
That’s where the “cup of tea” education campaign about consent falls down (the one the British police came up with: ‘if someone is asleep, you wouldn’t pour tea in their face’, sort of thing): I doubt the question of consent crossed his mind. If it did, it was an extra kick that consent wasn’t there but he would be able to get away with it.
The focus was on what he wanted.
So the analogy that came to mind was a stapler on a colleague’s desk. I need to staple something, so I can ask “can I borrow that stapler”. I can just see the stapler and take it without asking, without wondering if they are also about to staple something. Or I can walk over, look them dead in the eye, and take it knowing they can’t do a damned thing about it. The first is confirming consent, the second is being too selfish to notice, the third was a power trip using stapling as an excuse.
Either way, I’m actually glad he got thumped. Better than nothing.
Thanks for such a clear example of “stapler culture”.
Yes a good way to view the practices found disgraceful, from a distance and see them from a different perspective.
I’m not expert in the psychology of boob grabbers, but it seemed to me from the clip that he was acting provocatively, as someone might on a dare. He was not in the least confused as to the wrongness of the act.
I’m not quite so happy about the thump – not because he didn’t have it coming, but because to the extent that we are a society under the rule of law the victim should not be obliged to exact the penalty for manifestly criminal behavior. That’s a job for the police – and given that this oik not only embarrassed his victim, but also embarrassed NZ internationally, I expect that his prosecution will be pursued. Perhaps the expectation is optimistic – but it shouldn’t be.
Randall Munroe’s XKCD is absolutely fukn brilliant. Here’s the best map you’ll ever see for understanding the geographic distribution of votes in the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/8/16865532/2016-presidential-election-map-xkcd
John Oliver ‘How is this still a thing?’ going into Ayn Rand and her beliefs and lots of great clips. What does she look like, sound like, attracts so many people who can swallow some of her antithetic ideas to their own avowed ideas.
She has an interesting if unwise perspective. The thing the RWNJ do is to take her out of her context – the survivor of the Soviet misgovernance she details in We The Living, which is no worse than Rybakov’s Children of the Arbat. Barbara Brandon’s biography is surprisingly sympathetic.
The RWNJ require her for her ability to articulate arguments that they could not readily construct themselves. But when Rand expounds on the evils of socialism she is describing Stalinism, not the benign Fabian version that moved Karl Popper to write The Open Society and its Enemies.
And like most of the right wings, they finally realise somthing about 40 years after the truth came out.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-my-disillusionment-in-russia
Not quite getting you here Adam.
Emma Goldman became well fcked off with the USSR as a betrayal of political hope in the early 1920s.
If you’re going to argue that Rand also became fucked off because of some recognition that socialism was crushed by the Bolshevics, then you’re basically arguing that Rand’s political thought was essentially socialist.
Which it wasn’t.
No I’m arguing Rand and her supporters took a hell of a long time to offer up a well rounded criticism of what was happened in the U.S.S.R.
And poached most of their ideas off Anarchists, then gave it a capitalist spin, to make some money. They also did it 40 years later.
Popper became disillusioned with Soviet communism well before most of his contemporaries, and his arguments with them became the basis of the falsifiability theory that subsequently proved quite useful in the sciences.
Would Rand be regarded as alt-right today? A listing of her political positions sees a lot of overlapping going on….
“ I’m just running with how liberal media pushes official narratives and kills debate.”
You mean like how some people on the Standard operate.
Witness Open Mike today.
[For FUCK’s sake! Okay Ed. Here’s how it goes. Think about what you want to bring to peoples’ attention and then do that in as brief a way as you sensibly can. Yes. Some of the shit that’s been flung at you is a bit off in my opinion. But the solution is easy enough and in your hands.] – Bill
[TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
Be more specific please.
Adding syntax and proper attribution to comments facilitates discussion, as Weka said at Open Mike 1.1.1
So does accuracy of information. Dry your tears.
PS: Bill’s moderation note (below) noted. Schtum!
“Anyone that steps out of line gets hammered”
Reminds me of Open Mike on the Standard over the past month or two.
Don’t question the western diet.
Don’t challenge New Zealand’s complacency about climate change.
Don’t present an alternative to the corporate media’s narrative about Syria.
Don’t query the constant propaganda about Russia and Putin..
Or you will get hammered.
[Not interested in the tittle tattle of open mike invading this thread. Don’t do it again. Ta.] – Bill
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Since Climate change seems to be the main discussion point atm.
I came across this interview of the current MoD Ron Mark https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/12/21/70663/defence-minister-plots-a-war-on-climate-change
This mean increase to the Defence Budget in the coming years?
Expand the Regular and Territorial Forces across all 3 services?
Does this mean $20 Billion Capital Equipment upgrade is too small?
The Aid Budget for HADR has to increase for the South Pacific and what about the Home Front?
Do we need to look at re-establish the MoW as a overseer (Mr Trotter has mention this before) to make sure that the Government doesn’t get ripped off by the private sector?
Does this mean more conflicts in the Future over land, water, fisheries etc and how would future conflicts in the Asia/ pacific region will impact on our trade (our export/ imports especially our POL imports) since we hardly have any heavy industry now thanks to our Neo Lib muppets?
What about EQC funding since this pot of money is almost empty?
What about the Antarctic Treaty which is up for renewal?
This is my second visit here and I have been reading up on ExKiwiforces comments over Christmas as he seems to very knowledgeable on this stuff. But it seems he has gone very quiet here and over at the WONZ Forum site the other place where he hangs out (has a very smart picture or painting of himself with has medals etc). Has his PTSD got the better of him, Is he still banned from The Standard, or has he simply gone fishing/ hunting etc?
Would like to hear his views and any others who have some knowledge on this subject as to the long term effects to our wee country called New Zealand
A nice tribute to a truly great Kiwi:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11972004
So mad dog said to addled dotard hold my beer, I’m going to poke the bee swarm to intimidate them and hopefully, they won’t turn on us.
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https://twitter.com/axios/status/950536354835943424
Is this the second time the White House has flown this kite or am I experiencing deja vue all over again?
The phrase ‘for domestic consumption only’ springs to mind.
I wonder if they’re worried that peace might break out between N and S Korea.
Unification talks have gone on in the past, and the new president Moon takes a much more conciliatory position.
Nikki Haley has already expressed her derision for the upcoming talks between N and South Korea
Without threat and tension in the area, the US has no excuse for its Thaad missile battery or bases, very strategic for “containing”China and Russia
Nah, I expect NK’s offer of talks is just as cynical and manipulative as Washington’s offer of bigly red buttons at the Ok Corral.
It’s a smart move though. Trump is a power vacuum. Why not fill it? Peace loving Kim throws a hospital pass to Littleflinger.
Any dialogue, with it seems the re opening of the military hotline is preferable to the overcharged threat and counter threat scenario.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-south-korea-military-talks-agree-hold-summit-governments-statement-kim-jong-un-latest-a8149466.html
Domestic consumption or not, these fuckers are touting war and if South Koreans die, it’s their own fault.
It’s true that North Korea could retaliate for any attack by using its conventional rocket artillery against the South Korean capital of Seoul and its surroundings, where almost 20 million inhabitants live within 35 miles of the armistice line. U.S. military officers have cited the fear of a “sea of fire” to justify inaction. But this vulnerability should not paralyze U.S. policy for one simple reason: It is very largely self-inflicted.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/08/its-time-to-bomb-north-korea/
Funny how incitement to violence isn’t a crime until powerless people do it.