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Open Mike 09/12/2017

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  1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

    Lake Taupo is toxic.

    $90 million was paid to farmers for nitrogen reductions for Lake Taupo.

    Dr. Mike Joy on Facebook.

    • Ed 1.2

      Rachel Stewart.

      ‘Don’t let anyone tell you different. Yes, extreme heat is the trigger but, Lake Taupo’s problem is years of phosphorous and nitrogen build-up from dairy farming.’

    • cleangreen 1.3

      Yes OAB,
      It seems that the farmers took the mobney and ran is they must have been John Key clones to eh?

      Steven Joyce must know more paid out clones did the some as this as his $11.7 Billion hole is now emerging, after Labour is now finding that lot’s of National’s promises made before the election were left without funding too??????

      National = criminal gang

      Also very wise man has advised yesterday, that there is a inquiry going on now in the US and here, into a case where John Key apparently gave $13 million of NZ taxpayer money to Hillary Clinton’s election campaign.

      This was illegal also without notifying NZ taxpayers of the NZ or US Government, and John Key had been forced to resign after being warned of the illegal move to spend unlawful Government money to swing a foriegn county election.
      Seems like it will all come out in the wash in months I and guessing.

      • Ed 1.3.1

        Just a question.
        Why were they not saying this to Smith and the rest of the National gansters in the past 9 years.
        Or were they?
        And being ignored?

        ‘The Environment Ministry has warned its minister that pressures on New Zealand’s natural resources are reaching a critical point.

        It said the country’s economic reliance on primary sector exports was starting to show its environmental constraints.
        In its briefing to Minister David Parker the ministry said pressure from the primary sector was exacerbated by population growth, increasing visitor numbers, and urban growth.
        It said the evidence showed environmental constraints and pressure points were being reached, adding from a Māori perspective, the mauri, or life force, of land and water was being compromised.
        The ministry said the scale of change needed was significant, and would require co-ordinated government activity across a number of portfolio areas including managing resource use, planning, housing, infrastructure, transport, and local government.
        It outlined three priority areas the minister should take action on: climate change resilience, freshwater management, and improving the liveability of New Zealand’s cities.’


      • dv 1.3.2

        John Key apparently gave $13 million of NZ taxpayer money to Hillary Clinton’s election campaign.

        Ostensibly to the Clinton charities.


        • One Anonymous Bloke


          And in fact, too. The charities that have been given repeated bills of health by independent charity-watch organisations. If you have some evidence (not assertions) to the contrary please share.

          • Morrissey

            “One Anonymous Bloke” states, in apparent high seriousness, that the notorious Clinton charity racket has “been given repeated bills of health by independent charity-watch organisations.”

            His faith-based assertion stands in stark contrast to the evidence presented so clearly in that item. Could “One Anonymous Bloke” tell the rest of us exactly how the following “good works” carried out by the Clinton “charities” actually did any good?….

            It was also been revealed the Clinton charities utilised the devastating Haiti earthquake to implement disaster capitalism, funneling funds into Haiti under the pretense of aid but only for the funds to flow away from the Haitians desperately in need and instead to companies who had made previously large donations to the Clinton Foundation.

            Then there is the $145 million ‘pay for play’ contributions made to the Clinton Foundation by shareholders of Canadian company Uranium One, a mining company with concessions in Kazakhstan and the US. Uranium One sought to sell these concessions to the Russians, but the deal had to be approved by a government committee due to the implications to national security.

            On this beautiful summer day I won’t inflict Standardisti with any offensive footage of the Old Groper, but here’s a clip of his wife speaking with her characteristic “charity” about black people….

            • One Anonymous Bloke

              1. If you could post the evidence (rather than the assertions) that would be choice. I said ‘please’.
              2. I have zero regard for your opinion, Morrissey. You bring nothing substantive to this or any other discussion other than your entertainment value.
              3: Get a clue: you can post a billion videos of Hillary Clinton saying things I disagree with and none of them will be evidence against the employees of the Clinton Foundation. Got that?

              • Morrissey

                1. If you could post the evidence (rather than the assertions) that would be choice. I said ‘please’.

                I posted the evidence. Bill and Hillary Clinton’s involvement in predatory “disaster capitalism” has been exhaustively documented. Are you trying to suggest they have not been exposed repeatedly?

                2. I have zero regard for your opinion, Morrissey.

                Ooohh, that’s a bit mean, isn’t it?

                You bring nothing substantive to this or any other discussion other than your entertainment value.

                Mean—and more than a bit extreme. I bring “nothing substantive” to discussions? Never?


                Still, on the bright side, you’ve paid tribute to my “entertainment value”, so that’s a positive.

                3: Get a clue: you can post a billion videos of Hillary Clinton saying things I disagree with and none of them will be evidence against the employees of the Clinton Foundation. Got that?

                I didn’t just post a video of her saying things you or I disagree with: I posted a video of her unleashing a cynical, horrible, racist rant that could have been delivered by Donald Trump at his most deranged. The point of my posting that horror was to underline the point that the very idea of the Clintons and “charity” is an absurdity.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  So that’s no evidence then. Exactly as expected.

                  All charity is obscene. That is not the same as saying, as dv did and you implied (“racket”), that Clinton diverts money from the CF for her own gain.

                  I note that the POTUS does exactly that with his own “charities”. The accusations you are so eager to mindlessly sponge and parrot are motivated by projection.

                  As for your smear against the CF’s employees, just chuck them under a bus eh.

                  • Morrissey

                    The contributions made by this “One Anonymous Bloke” are becoming more bizarre. Let’s inspect his latest offering….

                    1.) So that’s no evidence then. Exactly as expected.

                    This is what is known as “attempting to brazen it out” of an awkward situation. This writer, i.e., moi, had pointed out to him that the Wake Up NZ site referenced by “dv” in 1.3.2 had shown clearly that the Clinton “charities” racket is little more than a brutal exercise in disaster capitalism. This presentation of evidence was not good enough for dear old O.A.B., however; he apparently thinks closing his eyes and stubbornly insisting he can’t see what is shown to him is enough to win his point.

                    2.) All charity is obscene.

                    ????? Would I be the only person to think that is one of the stupider statements to be posted on this forum in all of 2017?

                    3.) The accusations you are so eager to mindlessly sponge and parrot are motivated by projection.

                    ???? Again, what the HELL is this fellow trying so ineptly to say?

                    4.) As for your smear against the CF’s employees, just chuck them under a bus eh.

                    Anybody who works for the Clintons is either inordinately ambitious, and unscrupulous, or simply bewildered—kind of like the poor sods who worked for their election campaigns.

        • cleangreen

          dv that was never told us before thhe election was it and here is another site claiming Key was guilty of using taxpayer fuds to put into a foriegn election, ad this is highly a crime againt international law and NZ law.


          • dv

            Yes there seems to be enough murk for an investigation.


            Re the clinton charities donation.

            Why overseas US ‘charities’, and not our own charities!!! by Key.

            If they are genuine charities are some what secondary.

          • One Anonymous Bloke

            No evidence there either. You’ve had your “turn” (pity you wasted it); now refute this.

            Please try not to trash-talk the employees of Charity Watch the way you have the employees of the Clinton Foundation. If you can.

    • Macro 1.4

      This is a direct result of our current industrial farming methods which not only are destroying our soils but also killing our water ways, lakes, and coastal waters.
      At the present time the destruction of our soils by tillage and chemical fertilisers is occurring at the alarming rate of around 24bn tonnes per year, and according to the UN Convention to Combat Desertification (UNCCD) the planet can only employ current practice for another 60 years before the situation is so bad that the dirt remaining will not support plant life.
      The situation that is now occurring in our largest lake is something that has been happening in the Great Lakes of North America since the early 2000’s. This year has been no different for the residents of Toledo. 3 million people are dependent upon their drinking water from Lake Eire and for at least 3 years now their water supply has been so toxic that they have had to truck in water from elsewhere yet they live in the edge of one of the largest “freshwater” lakes on the planet.

      The mayor of Toledo, Paula Hicks-Hudson, wrote a letter to President Donald Trump on Sept. 26, calling on the federal government to declare Lake Erie impaired, which would allow for the lake’s nutrient loads to be regulated under the Clean Water Act.

      “There is something very wrong with our country when our rivers and lakes turn green,” Hicks-Hudson wrote in her letter. “As I look out my office at a green river, I can tell you one thing: The status quo is not working.”

      Fat chance of the Vandal doing anything.
      Expect this to be a regular feature of Lake Taupo into the future until such time as our farmers wake up to the realisation that not only are they trashing our rivers and lakes but they are ultimately trashing their own livelihood as they constantly degrade and rundown the fertility of the land they think they farm so diligently.

      The causes of soil destruction include chemical-heavy farming techniques, deforestation which increases erosion, and global warming. The earth under our feet is too often ignored by policymakers, experts said.
      “Soils are the basis of life,” said Semedo, FAO’s deputy director general of natural resources. “Ninety five percent of our food comes from the soil.”
      Unless new approaches are adopted, the global amount of arable and productive land per person in 2050 will be only a quarter of the level in 1960, the FAO reported, due to growing populations and soil degradation.
      Soils play a key role in absorbing carbon and filtering water, the FAO reported. Soil destruction creates a vicious cycle, in which less carbon is stored, the world gets hotter, and the land is further degraded.
      “We are losing 30 soccer fields of soil every minute, mostly due to intensive farming,” Volkert Engelsman, an activist with the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements told the forum at the FAO’s headquarters in Rome.


  2. Morrissey 2


    One of the fastest, cleverest, most exciting football players of his generation, Colin Kaepernick led San Francisco to the 2013 Super Bowl, the first time the 49ers had made it in twenty years.

    But it’s as a moral leader that he has really made his mark. To register his disgust at police killings of black citizens and the war crimes of the United States overseas, Kaepernick refused to stand for the militarised national anthem ceremony before games. He has carried on the proud tradition of Jackie Robinson, Muhammad Ali, John Carlos, Tommie Smith, and countless other black athletes who have refused to be bullied into silence by politicians and their media accomplices.

    To the fury of the flag-idolating right wing, Kaepernick’s leadership has inspired hundreds of athletes in many sports, from professional to high school level, to refuse to participate in state-sponsored obedience ceremonies before their games.

    So influential, and so threatening, has Kaepernick’s moral stature become that he provoked the Groper-in-Chief to unleash a public tirade against him, hilariously urging NFL owners to “Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!”

    “He’s one of the brightest, most articulate and committed people that I have ever come across. I knew Muhammad Ali. I most certainly worked with Carlos and Smith. Bill Russell, Jim Brown, some of these people from the 1960s, Arthur Ashe—I put him in that class. And I’m pushing him. I hope that he’ll become a person of the year—all of the athletes collectively—and I personally am pushing him for a Nobel Peace Prize nomination, even if he doesn’t get it, because I think he’s going to have that impact as we look back 20 years from now, 30 years from now. And I think it should be recognized.”–Dr. Harry Edwards


    “Heroes” is a series devoted to those courageous and brilliant people who show us that, in a world seemingly run by flag-fetishists, cowards, conformists, crooks, abusers, scoundrels, mass murderers and liars, there are still reasons for optimism.

    No. 1 Edward Snowden, No. 2 Gideon Levy

    • Brigid 2.1

      Speaking of Snowden, this is rather alarming

      It also seems “The Intercept has exclusive publishing rights and an exclusive hold on the content of the Snowden leaks, of which this newly released document is a part. Indeed, the Intercept was founded after the Snowden leaks were made public and its first hires were Glenn Greenwald and Lauren Poitras, the only journalists possessing the full Snowden cache. Those documents now belong to the Intercept’s founder — billionaire eBay founder, — and his for-profit media company, First Look Media.”

      “His (Omidyar) investments with USAID have continued since the Intercept’s founding, helping fund the NGO’s more recent overseas programs aimed at “advancing U.S. national security interests” abroad.”

      What do we do when we can’t even trust The Intercept?

      • Morrissey 2.1.1

        I think we can trust Glenn Greenwald and the rest of the brilliant and principled writers there. But, as with all owners of media outlets—like the Kochs, the Murdochs, the Russian, Australian and British governments—Omidyar needs to be scrutinized.

        Thanks for that, Brigid, it’s very interesting.

  3. OnceWasTim 3

    It seems Tracey Watkins might be in the 5th phase of grief: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/99674132/going-going-gone-national-and-its-legacy
    Not so many of the commenters

    • Macro 3.1

      We can only hope National’s “legacy” of Child poverty, Homelessness, Degraded lakes and waterways, degraded public health system, idiotic education “reform”, and general gifting of money in large amounts to ones friends and oneself, will quickly disappear to be replaced by a far more equitable, caring and environmentally friendly society. That is a legacy one would hope would endure.

    • Morrissey 3.2

      There’s an organization called “Exit” she might like to contact.

  4. eco maori 4

    Must have piss Gisborne man off his people are going hard today they are put up all the dum ass tactics into play today. Kia kaha

  5. Ed 5

    New Zealand.
    For sale.
    To the highest bidder.

    $3m lakeside lodge planned for Crown land

    ‘A Hong Kong businessman’s plan to build a $3 million lodge on Crown land bordering a scenic South Island lake has raised the hackles of the Acting Commissioner of Crown Lands. But there are strong signals the lakeside land will be offered up for sale, David Williams reports.
    A massive lodge could be built on what is now Crown land, just 40 metres from the shore of pristine Lake Pukaki.
    Why a sale’s even being considered isn’t clear. LINZ’s consent says “there are no applicable offer-back provisions” and Blue Lake “is not entitled to the benefit of any offer back”. But the Crown considered it had a “moral duty” to offer the land back to Guide Hill’s former owners, the Gould family, and the new allotment should “logically” be amalgamated with the rest of the station.
    Forest & Bird’s Canterbury/West Coast regional manager Jen Miller says the whole situation “stinks” and appears murky. She also believes a neighbouring landowner might be disputing the potential sale.


    Revealed: who bought NZ’s most expensive home of 2017

    ‘State-owned enterprise Quotable Value records show that the buyer was Lichun Gao. A check on other titles shows he has been active since 2015, buying a number of properties across the city, valued collectively at more than $56m. Most of his properties are on the North Shore and some have big development potential.
    Companies Office records show Gao is the sole director and shareholder of New Zealand-registered company Far East NZ Investment and gives his address as 17 O’Neills Ave, Takapuna.

    ‘Far East is listed in one business directory as a milk products manufacturing business.

    Titles which QV lists as those Gao owns are:

    • 19 O’Neills Ave: a residential dwelling on a 4396sq m site, three separate titles of 19, 21 and 23 O’Neills Ave. Two homes were built there by Sky TV founder Craig Heatley who had a helipad on the property. Gao bought it in July, QV records showed.
    • 84 Trig Rd, Whenuapai: Auckland Council says is valued at $9.8m. A 4.04ha lifestyle property which is now bare land with subdivision potential, sold to Gao last year;
    • 62 Paritai Dr, Orakei: a residential dwelling built between 1914 and 1929 on a 1173sq m site. This is in one of Auckland’s best streets, home to the $39m property which set the national record in 2013 as New Zealand’s most expensive residential property, sold by agent Graham Wall. Auckland Council valued this place at $7.4m. QV records the place as being sold to Gao last April.
    • 11 Spedding Rd, Whenuapai: a 4.9ha lifestyle property now bare land but with subdivision potential, sold to Gao last year. Auckland Council has this property valued at $7,170,000.
    • 52 Dairy Stream Rd, Dairy Flat: a 3.2ha site listed as a lifestyle property, being bare land with subdivision potential which Gao bought in April, 2015.


  6. Ed 6

    More issuers caused by years of nglect.

    ‘Immigration NZ broke, new Minister says

    New Zealand’s immigration system “lacks integrity” and is so financially hamstrung it can’t investigate fraud and exploitation cases, its new Minister says.’


    • eco maori 6.1

      Typical of how national views immigration. They just wanted more immigrants to dilute the Maori vote an put us on the bread line I’m working my ass off going nowhere because of keys immigration policy and now we find another state organisation in a mess we will never let national back in government the corrupt money worshipers Ana to kai

      • savenz 6.1.1

        Yep, very much doubt that Maori will be the 2nd largest ethnicity in NZ anymore after National’s immigration policy. National have prospered vote wise by importing in votes and moving poorer people out of main cities and making them homeless.

  7. Ed 7

    For sale.
    Our assets, our environment, our sovereignty.
    35 years of neoliberalism.

    ‘A Chinese-owned corporation is converting a former wool scouring factory in the Christchurch area into a water bottling factory, and it has consent to extract more than 4.5 million litres of water per day. Environment Canterbury is among the groups expressing concern about the new neighbour.’


  8. The Chairman 8

    A huge growth in demand for social housing will not be met by the current pipeline of new social houses, officials have told the new Government.


    The private rental market is forcing low-income Kiwis to move too often, the human rights watchdog has told the new Government.

    Housing Minister Phil Twyford has promised new legislation by the end of 2018 that would get rid of no-cause terminations and limit rent increases to once per year.

    But the Human Rights Commission suggest more than just new rental laws: officials within the document suggest that for the most vulnerable the security provided by state housing is the best option.


    With almost 6000 thousand on the waiting list for a state home, it shows what Labour are currently offering is vastly insufficient, thus the pressure is mounting on Labour to build more state homes. The question is, will they?

    • Muttonbird 8.1

      Apart from your bizarre Labour bashing stance (you never criticised National on housing policy), that’s a valuable article you link to which describes an awful problem in NZ where low income families are forced to move often on the say so of amateur landlords. This transience creates fractured communities where children struggle to feel valued and struggle to form important long term social connections.

      I myself don’t think a massive social housing drive is the answer. I think much more needs to be done to make anyone involved in rental investments know that they are first providing a social service and second providing for their own benefit.

      • greywarshark 8.1.1

        That is a really important housing issue that needs fixing as you say.

      • The Chairman 8.1.2

        “I myself don’t think a massive social housing drive is the answer”


        So where do you think the massive shortfall in low cost rentals are going to come from?

        Why do you think my initial post was bashing Labour? I merely highlighted what was reported and asked a question. Is that bashing them in your eyes?

  9. adam 9

    Russian band Little Big. Adult themes, dance music – one hell of a funny video.

    • Wensleydale 9.1

      A certain chubby North Korean dictator with an amusing haircut is not going to be happy. I laughed. Hard.

  10. eco maori 10

    I went mowing lawns today an the idiots were playing all sorts of dum ass games they think they are going to break me YEA RIGHT. I will keep going hard for my family and this is why I won’t back down. I no if I move they will chase me were ever I go so_______them.
    I’m at the farm relief milking and mowing my lawns in between milking I get to spend time with our moko my youngest granddaughter is a paua to her Papa when ever she sees me she has her hands out for me to pick her up she has just started crawling she is away into everything lol she has beautiful blue eyes and I call her my prime minister lol I want her to have a very secsessfull long happy life and I will do what it takes for all our children and mokos to give them a good life. Kia kaha

  11. Penny Bright 11


    (Saturday 9 December 2017)


    Killing small businesses in town centres – by removing parking.

    “No parking – no stopping – no shopping.”

    Have YOU seen what’s happened to the Mt Albert shopping centre?

    If you think what’s happened in West Lynn is bad – you need to see for yourselves what’s happened to Mt Albert!

    Concrete everywhere – no parking!

    How pushing cycle lanes in town centres – by removing parking – helps property developers?

    How suburban cycleways in town centres help corporate shopping at the multi-national malls?


    “…From 2018, as the new look takes final shape, shop owners and landlords may be encouraged by more pleasant surrounds to spruce up their acts; and developers heartened by a new vitality may be drawn to further breathe life into a town centre that otherwise may have died.

    Where we now have some run-down premises, we could in the future find medium-rise developments (the Unitary Plan allows for four-to-eight storeys in town centres – logically with shops below and apartments and perhaps offices above) and a more appealing retail and food mix.

    First – remove the parking – kill small businesses so property developer$ can buy these buildings, and help drive customers to the multi-national run malls?

    Penny Bright

    Anti-Corruption whistle-blower.

    • savenz 11.1

      Not only clear out small business but increase the risk of flooding with the amount of paving. Who knows why Auckland Transport and their overpaid band of consultants hates trees so much? Never mind it can all be sold cheap and converted with overseas money to apartments for new residents not bankrupted by government and council policy and lowered wages.

  12. savenz 12

    From freshwater 111

    Yesterday the river made 1 news in Gore as the river has low flows and the town is running out of water
    What could be the problem low rainfall or maybe a combination of low rainfall and the loss of our wetlands for recharging the river or the hundreds of km of drains under ground to stop the land holding water or the never-ending expansion of the center pivots which are running flat out today in the upper Mataura and the planting of pine forist on land that uesd to be tussock lands and this is all allowed by Environment Southland. This is looking more like It could end up like the disaster in Canterbury

  13. eco maori 13

    You no how I told you that my MAMA die of a heart attack when I was 9. Well here’s the hole story. About a week before that event my mama an one of her grand sons that lived with us he is the one who named me honky they were arguing
    about him not being a good father to his child he was still going out an shaging around and she wanted him to put his child first I remember her saying to him you all are getting nothing it is all going to eco. So a week goes by and mama and I were watching TV he comes home she goes into the kitchen to talk to him she closed the door to the sitting room and the argument started they were arguing about her will shouting she said no of use are getting my estate it is all going to eco than I heard her fall and he was over her as when I heard her fall I went it the kitchen at that time one of her son came in and they started arguing about what to do in stead of giving her angina pill. Next the ambulance came and they said she was dead So she had a will draw up and it was in her room. They burnt it and this story can be verified by my extended whano the ones who never called me honky there mother told them about the will and they told me she had a lot of shear in land up the east coast. The person that caused her death ripped me later on to I sold him my lawn run I set up his $20.000 loan as his bank manager was mine as well and the years before I had $100.000 going into my bank from forestry I gave him my business accounts so he could get the loan I had a loan of $10.000 so when his loan came through that got paid as we were walking out the bank he said that the other $10.000 of his loan was going to pay off his credit card. I was blown away but I was still submissive and had to start working in Hamilton in 3 days he had not paid me a cent of that money in 13 years. Did he give a______about my children missing out because of his actions no. The business was worth $30.000 WTF.

    When my wife grandfather died he left me all his tools my wife’s brothers were pissed about that so was her 1 uncle he got the rife as I did not have a gun licence.
    While we were planning his funeral his bank accounts were frozen and no one had any money to pay for it so my wife and I wrote out a check to pay for his funeral
    We got our money back 12 months later we were just happy that his funeral went down with out any problems There are other story’s of me an my wife helping her family with other events like that to. That idiot who ripped me off had abandoned his first family of 2 children and to what a__________. That’s all for now Ka pai

    • eco maori 13.1

      I no that the Gisborne man is in the top command of the cops top 10 so he will have his boys spread any shit he can to save his religious self righteous ass but no ECO WILL WIN IN THE END Kai kaha

      • eco maori 13.1.1

        This is why they are spending millions wasting their time chasing ECO Maori. Ana to kai

  14. joe90 14


    Speechless.“Forty years ago in Alabama, there’s a lot of mamas and daddies that’d be thrilled that their 14-year-old was getting hit on by a district attorney.” pic.twitter.com/Q6SUJzSBgF— Holly O'Reilly (@AynRandPaulRyan) December 8, 2017

    • eco maori 14.1

      Thanks for that link Joe. That is the age that Gisborne man would have realed my relation into his Webb of deceit and lies Ka pai

  15. Andre 15

    Ivanka’s words put in an appearance outside daddy’s rally to support Moore. Daddy will not be pleased.


    • Ad 15.1

      Trump campaigning hard for Moore shows how confident he is of identifying and turning out his base, because FFS Obama is more popular than Trump in Alabama:


      Moore will have no problem on the day getting over the line.

      It’s lovely that the Dems are going for long-shots, but Alabama was wayyy too much of a long-shot to hit its target. You have to go back to you-know-who to remember a Democrat really making it there. Hint: it’s a little place called Hope.

      • Andre 15.1.1

        There’s no Hope in Alabama.*

        Yeah, Jones is still a long shot. But if he pulled it off there’d be so many D.C. Repugs shitting themselves the sewers would erupt.

        *There’s a New Hope and a Good Hope in Alabama, but no actual Hope. Perhaps you mean nearby Arkansas? The last Dem pres to win ‘bama was Carter. The last Dem to win statewide office was Shelby for his second term in 92, but even he decided life would be easier as a Repug so he switched in 94. I wonder if the Chump realized he was rallying for Moore in Florida, but the election is the next state over?

  16. OnceWasTim 16

    I was thinking about the Gisborne line and the wash-out (both the real one and the gNat wash-out attitude), and thought you might be interested in this:


    I’m fairly sure no one died and also no one had HiViz fluros either – they just looked out for one another.

  17. cleangreen 17

    OnceWasTim, Thanks for the Indian story,

    Yes we have an Indian Manager of a large Gisborne exporter and his home town has far worse geographical areas where rail goes and believes the washouts on the Gisborne section is minor compared to what he has seen.

    We also have a ex rail manager from Kiwirail who kept the l;ine in top shape before the washouts and said it was caused by clearing of scrub in the hillside above the track ad heavy rail that blocked the old culverts and washed that section out again as this was the third time in 39yrs.

    During Bola the Ministry of Works came along and fixed the washouts in 6 weeks after March 1988, we are advised when it was washed out during bola so you are right iit can be repaired within just weeks jnot months so we cant see why they just dont get it fixed and allow us to incease our rail freight as we proved durug the eight months before the washouts as we had inceased the freight three times higher then after a flat rail freight recorded prior when Toll had it.

    Common Labour lets do this.

    • Sumsuch 17.1

      A fellow Gisbornite supports you. There are a lot of us whisperers here
      — we whisper because’ the few’ are very few here, and we speak because we are humans and NZers.

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