Open mike 16/06/2019

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1. CHCoff 1

   16 June 2019 at 8:35 am

   Anyone want some Brit fudge?

   'But a senior Boris Johnson backer yesterday admitted he may have to delay Brexit by a few weeks…'

   https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9300327/britain-not-leave-eu-this-year/

   'A well-connected school is often a golden ticket to a place at Oxbridge. Of the seven (including Gyimah) privately educated candidates McVey is the only one not to have gone to Oxford.'

   https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/boris-johnson-rory-stewart-eton-balliol-tory-leadership-contenders-oxford-social-mobility/

   'Theresa May backs Lorraine Kelly over 'complete cow' Esther Mcvey in TV fued'

   https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/theresa-backs-lorraine-kelly-over-16520677
2. Morrissey 2

   16 June 2019 at 9:18 am

   At last: a Scandinavian politician with integrity
   • Adrian Thornton 2.1

     16 June 2019 at 1:56 pm

     Was just about to put this up myself….I see that The Guardian and The Washington Post have both finally changed their tune and realized that they have been on the wrong side of history on this one.
3. Jenny - How to Get there? 3

   16 June 2019 at 9:31 am

   NZ Media: Toeing the pro war propaganda line

   We are at war with East Asia, we have always been at war with East Asia

   New Zealand media and the Ministry of Truth (Minitru)

   Yesterday TVNZ news reported the US version of the attack on a Japanese oil tanker in the Gulf of Hormuz, verbatim. TVNZ deliberately omitted the Japanese version of events.

   The US claimed that the Japanese ship was damaged with limpet mines attached to the ship and that this was proof that the attack was planned and carried out by the Iranians.

   The Japanese claimed that their ship had been hit by "flying objects". The Japanese report was deliberately left out of the TVNZ, coverage.

   This morning Stuff.co.nz decided to omit all coverage of this attack.

   You can scour the popular NZ online News site for news of this unfolding story, all you like, all mention of this contentious attack and the embarrassing counter claims are completely missing.

   George Orwell in his novel 1984 wrote of a fictitious news organisation, that kept what he called a 'memory hole'. Stories embarrassing to the establishment authorities were placed in this memory hole never to be recalled.

   Stuff.co.nz realising Orwell's nightmare

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/
   • Adrian Thornton 3.1

     16 June 2019 at 2:17 pm

     Yes will are living in a time when what should be our trusted media sources are now trying to tell us up is down and black is white…and unfortunately it seems to be getting worse all the time.

     After the hysterical news coverage and saber rattling that spilled out of pretty much all western press following the chemical attack in Douma, they seem very quiet when it is revealed that all is not as it seemed….no follow up stories on RNZ that I have heard either.

     New Evidence Suggests 2018 Chemical Attack in Douma, Syria Was Staged

     https://therealnews.com/stories/new-evidence-suggests-2018-syria-chemical-attack-in-douma-was-staged

     https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/23/leaked_opcw_report_raises_new_questions

     Here is a little history of the US bullshitting itself into violence around the world…and still out news sources parrot their lies again and again..
     
   • Jenny - How to Get there? 3.2

     16 June 2019 at 5:59 pm

     Last night TVNZ News at 6 reported the attack on the Japanese oil tanker in the Gulf of Hormuz, which TVNZ reporters loyally followed the pro-war US narrative squarely putting the blame on the Iranians. TVNZ refused to report the Japanese version of the attack which contradicted the pro-war US narrative.

     Stuff.co.nz took a different path and censored this story and its embarassing contradictions completely.

     It is almost 6pm again.

     Will TVNZ give a more balanced report of this attack tonight?

     Or will TVNZ follow the Stuff.co.nz direction on this story with its embarrassing contradictions and bury it in the memory hole.
     • Jenny - How to Get there? 3.2.1

       16 June 2019 at 7:06 pm

       TVNZ News at 6 the two international news stories

       A hobby horse competition in Norway.

       And a religious service conducted in hardhats at the Notre Dame Cathedral in France.

       No correction or coverage of the shockingly biased one sided pro-war reporting of the attack on the Japanese oil tanker in the Gulf of Hormuz last night, that gave only the US side of the story and completely censored the Japanese crew version of the attack on their ship.

       If NZ is dragged into another US bloodbath, TVNZ shameful one sided pro-war propaganda will be partly responsible.

       New Zealanders should be rightly sickened at this example of lying by omission in the service of mass murder by TVNZ.

       Less creepily pro-war, The Sydney Morning Herald

       Japanese ship owner contradicts US account of how tanker was attacked

       By Simon Denyer August 24, 2003 — 10.00am

       Tokyo: The owner of a Japanese tanker attacked in the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday has offered a different account of the nature of the attack than that provided by the United States.

       Yutaka Katada, president of Kokuka Sangyo, said the Filipino crew of the Kokuka Courageous thought their vessel had been hit by flying objects rather than a mine.

       

       Yutaka Katada, president of Kokuka Sangyo, the Japanese company operating one of two oil tankers attacked near the Strait of Hormuz.CREDIT:AP

       The incident in the Gulf of Oman has compounded the already simmering hostilities in what’s possibly the world’s most pivotal maritime corridor.

       "The crew are saying it was hit with a flying object. They say something came flying towards them, then there was an explosion, then there was a hole in the vessel," he told reporters. "Then some crew witnessed a second shot."

       https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/japanese-ship-owner-contradicts-us-account-of-how-tanker-was-attacked-20190615-p51xzz.html
       • Jenny - How to Get there? 3.2.1.1

         16 June 2019 at 8:47 pm

         Notice all the right wing supporters of 'free speech' for fascists, have nothing to say about mainstream media censorship, especially if it is in the service of inciting a war.
4. cleangreen 4

   16 June 2019 at 9:50 am

   "Restoring Regional rail" 16th June 2019.

   Shane Jones said "It was a great day for HB/Gisborne" – thanks for your support to the many fighting for this day.

   Question now is; – when do we reopen the Gisborne line as Gisborne is the most isolated City of its size in NZ today without a rail service? Dear rail stakeholders.

   We have a picture of the first train that leaves Gisborne in June 1942 for Napier while 10 000 people wave them off, as the ‘Minister of rail’ (Robert Semple) says it was justified to spend over 6 million pounds to complete the rail service to Gisborne as it was an “isolated” region with few other transport choices.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113480664/kiwirail-to-celebrate-reopening-of-napier-to-wairoa-line

   KiwiRail celebrates re-opening of Napier to Wairoa line Andre Chumko and Bethany Reitsma16:03, Jun 14 2019

   Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones discusses what will happen to truck drivers as a result of the Napier-Wairoa rail line re-opening.

   Mervyn Smiley, an Eskdale resident of 25 years, has longed for the day when trains returned to the mothballed Napier to Wairoa line.

   On Friday, that dream became reality as a brass band and haka welcomed Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones to KiwiRail's depot in Ahuriri, near Napier Port.

   After a short series of speeches, the minister and various other politicians including Napier MP Stuart Nash, Ikaroa-Rāwhiti MP Meka Whaitiri and National's Lawrence Yule, joined the region's mayors in boarding the carriages of the first train to make the first full trip between Napier and Wairoa since 2012. Among the politicians present were Napier MP Stuart Nash and Ikaroa-Rāwhiti MP Meka Whaitiri. On the train,

   Jones held a press conference, where he described the day as a great one for Hawke's Bay. Jones said KiwiRail had had "so little for so long", and the $6.2 million investment so far was a big deal, especially in relation to moving trucks off the roads.It would also allow businesses to grow their logistics capacity, and boost exports.

   The train stationed at Ahuriri before departing for Wairoa. "If we're in for the KiwiRail journey, it's a long-term journey.

   It's about a nation building infrastructure at a time when there's a lot of uncertainty about weather." And the "fiscal love" would continue to flow post 2020's election, he said, forecasting "substantial amounts" being injected into KiwiRail. On whether there was a possibility of extending the line to Gisborne, Jones said any business case would be pushing on an open door.

   Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones said it was a significant day. KiwiRail chief executive Greg Miller said with work on the line finished, its next focus was on establishing a log-hub in Wairoa so it could begin running trains as soon as August.

   "The amount of timber flowing from forests in the region is expected to quadruple in the next four years and to get all those logs to market will require all transport networks working efficiently together."

   He forecast up to six trains travelling the line per week, meaning about 5000 fewer truck journeys initially, and more than 15,000 as services increased.

   The Deco Bay Brass group performed for Shane Jones upon his arrival. Jones said local civic leaders – mayors, council chairs and MPs – who had lobbied him were to credit for the re-opening.

   "This will substantially reduce their roading bill if they can move more heavy freight onto rail." Transport advocacy groups NZ Transport 2050 and the Public Transport Users Association said in a statement the previous Government underfunded the line.

   Locals were waving at the train the whole trip, happy to see the line back in action. "The loss of 20 fulltime jobs in Wairoa was a big hit for a small community.

   With the railway re-opening today it opens up opportunities for wood processors to again re-establish in the town," Paul Miller, chair of NZ Transport 2050 said.

   Green Party MP Gareth Hughes said regional rail should be the backbone of the transport system for people and freight, and his party would like to see the line extended from Wairoa to Gisborne. Hukarere Girls' College students performed a waiata for ministers and MPs upon their arrival to Eskdale, north of Napier. The train then departed for Wairoa.
   • Wayne 4.1

     16 June 2019 at 10:46 am

     Gareth Hughes is wrong. Rail will never be the "backbone of the transport system for people." Even for freight, it will only be the case for bulk cargoes and containers.

     Now, I happen to believe that more needs to be done in rail. Electrification from Auckland to Wellington, reopening to Gisborne and Rotorua, decent passenger service to Hamilton, and of course Northport.

     But in New Zealand rail will always by a minority/specialist form of transport. Roads are invariably faster and vastly more flexible. Which is why they need substantial investment.
     • Rosemary McDonald 4.1.1

       16 June 2019 at 11:07 am

       ….and vastly more flexible.

       Really?

       https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111065215/kpiti-expressway-needs-25-million-worth-of-repairs-just-two-years-after-opening

       https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10395289

       https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/100847641/christchurch-the-pothole-capital-of-new-zealand
       • Psycho Milt 4.1.1.1

         16 June 2019 at 12:36 pm

         Unfortunately, yes really. It's way, way easier to put a road somewhere than a railway line, which is one reason we're still on narrow-gauge rail and it's mostly single-tracked. Rail infrastructure is expensive. A government with an eye to the long term and protection of the environment would bite the bullet and prioritise the more expensive option, but the three-year electoral cycle and voters' love of cars argue very strongly for taking the quick-and-cheap option instead.
         • OnceWasTim 4.1.1.1.1

           16 June 2019 at 5:07 pm

           Care to clarify? What do you think is the more expensive option – short to medium term? I'm assuming you think it is rail because of the 3rd dimension (the up and down bits).

           It really needn't be however if you consider corridor widths necessary for the roading option versus those necessary to carry freight (and passenger for that matter) over a more 'levelled out' narrower corridor,

           And I'm not sure why Indians and Chinese can construct/reconstruct railways over 100km or more in the space of 18 or so months, whereas lil 'ole Nu Zull struggles.

           (I'm thinking maybe things like Fulton and Hogan monopolies on tar seal/bitumen, traffic management – STMS – and a heap of other bullshit that's been allowed to prevail over the past several years. Oh, and not to mention lobbyists; owner drivers and their investments and whose livelihoods are dependent on it all continuing, and a few other bits and pieces. YES IT REALLY 'IS')
     • Andre 4.1.2

       16 June 2019 at 11:30 am

       Pretty close to my view, main change I'd make would be "usually" rather than "invariably". But a big change I think needs to happen is rebalancing how roads are funded so that users pay in proportion to the expense they cause.

       For out-of town roads highways, the engineering evidence seems very clear that trucks cause a much higher proportion of the damage and maintenance and even initial road building expense than they pay for, while cars and other light vehicles pay substantially more than their fair share.

       Rebalancing the road user charges and fuel excise tax systems so trucking pays a fair share, rather than getting a hidden subsidy, would be a good first step. Then rail might be slightly closer to being competitive for moving freight on an even footing.

       For most cities, it's sheer numbers of vehicles at peak times that cause big expenses. So some sort of demand or congestion charging only seems fair.

       Hell, both those steps would be worth doing just to watch the ensuing histrionics and special pleading that would ensue , let alone the actual real resulting benefits.
       • bwaghorn 4.1.2.1

         16 June 2019 at 12:43 pm

         If trucks were forced to pay the full price of the damage they do it would force up the price of every thing that is carried by trucks .

         The poor would suffer the most as usual.
         • Andre 4.1.2.1.1

           16 June 2019 at 1:43 pm

           Let the special pleading begin …

           A consequence like that isn't an argument against doing the right thing. But if the effects actually turn out to be big enough, then it is a good reason to include other adjustments at the same time, such as increases in benefit rates and/or minimum wage and/or tax rate and threshold adjustments at the bottom end of the scale.

           In the case of rebalancing how roads are paid for, chances are pretty good the reduction in tax on petrol and reduced road user charges for small diesel vehicles will help the poor more than increased transport costs will hurt them.
         • Psycho Milt 4.1.2.1.2

           16 June 2019 at 3:43 pm

           If we stopped subsidising road freight via petrol excise, general taxation, importing of cheap third-world labour and the off-loading of environmental costs onto future generations, many goods would be more expensive, yes. That's not a reason to continue doing those things.
     • Jenny - How to Get there? 4.1.3

       16 June 2019 at 1:09 pm

       Wayne 4.1

       16 June 2019 at 10:46 am

       ……in New Zealand rail will always by a minority/specialist form of transport. Roads are invariably faster and vastly more flexible. Which is why they need substantial investment.

       Not so Japan.

       4 Major Means Of Transportation In Japan

       BULLET TRAIN/SHINKANSEN

       The Bullet train/Shinkansen links the major cities on the island of Honshu and Kyushu as well as Hokadate located on northern island of Hokkaido….

       

       CONVENTIONAL LINES

       This is the major means of passenger transport in Japan.

       

       https://fastjapan.com/en/p125853

       The more motorways and fossil fuel lobby, God bless 'em, are doing their damnedness to ensure that doesn't happen here.

       Public transport not more roading is where the real investment needs to happen.
       • Gabby 4.1.3.1

         16 June 2019 at 1:15 pm

         How do we compare vis a vis population density jensy?
         • Psycho Milt 4.1.3.1.1

           16 June 2019 at 3:37 pm

           Yep. If NZ had 120 million people in it like Japan does, I expect we'd have an excellent railway network because the alternative would be all-gridlock, all the time. But we don't, so we don't.
           • Graeme 4.1.3.1.1.1

             16 June 2019 at 5:20 pm

             Certainly New Zealand is highly unlikely to ever see true high speed rail like Shinkansen, or commuter rail like major Japanese cities. But most of the Japanese rail network is rural 1067mm gauge lines very similar to New Zealand. Their loading gauge is slightly larger, but less than Kiwi Rail's aspirational standard.

             Passenger services running at 100 – 130 kmh are the norm and a situation like Whangarei – Auckland – Hamilton – Tauranga would have a regular and highly patronised service.

             It's ironic that those speeds, 100 -130 kmh, were common for our express passenger services in the steam days. I remember being a passenger in a car on SH1 around Rakaia when we were passed by the SI Limited going in the same direction like we were standing still.
             • Psycho Milt …

               16 June 2019 at 10:29 pm

               Interesting – I always assumed our trains are so slow due to the narrow gauge track.
       • Stuart Munro. 4.1.3.2

         16 June 2019 at 10:23 pm

         They're a great idea – though the KTX is more modern and was adopted by China as the standard for its network. The Wellington/Auckland run, if replaced, would greatly reduce the use of aircraft for domestic travel. Roomier, cheaper, and a better prospect for working in transit, the modernity is far beyond that imaginable to the paleoGnats, though the smarter Greens and younger Labour folk might get it.
     • Stuart Munro. 4.1.4

       16 June 2019 at 5:19 pm

       Unhappily, roads are much more carbon negative than rail. The heavy longhaul truck model was broken when frankly stupid governments like yours brought it in Wayne – much moreso as the push to contain carbon release moves from the systematic frauds perpetrated under National, to real albeit slow reform.
     • KJT 4.1.5

       16 June 2019 at 10:15 pm

       Surprising when an ex Government minister knows so little about how freight works in New Zealand.

       Trucking is both inefficient and expensive, compared with rail and shipping.

       Hidden by the huge subsidies motorists, rate payers and general tax payers are forced to give to trucking. And all they pay for it is some National party funding and employment for some ex MP's. An excellent investment. For trucking firms!
     • Exkiwiforces 4.1.6

       17 June 2019 at 7:59 pm

       The only way Rail would become the backbone of NZ Transport scene again, would be if NZ's Sea Lanes Of Communication were cut or degraded to a point that it reduces NZ's import of its POL products/ production where rationing has to introduce.

       But since NZ Rail at levels during before its sell off by all Governments, under Private ownership and after it was re-nationalise that it needs a level of state involvement and investment since the 1930's under the first NZ Labour Government.

       Its last major rail workshop that built wagons and Locomotives closed, this decision by the "No Mates Party" now causing delays for the new Inter- City train Auckland- Hamilton passenger train as KiwiRail no longer makes stuff aka bogies for the rebuilt passenger carriages. WTF!!!!

       The Way and Works Dept was ran into the ground under private ownership which has effected the speed on some lines the Canterbury Plains lines the Ka, Kb's and the old Vulcan Railcars were doing a 100kph plus and the current loco’s s etc are now restricted to 90kph or less WTF!!!.

       The loading gauge has been impacted as a result of running down of the Way and Works Dept, to a point the old Standard Railcars under private ownership are restricted on some Nth Island rail lines (Note: The Standard Railcars were Nth Island base only and the Vulcans Sth Island Base). Apart from the NIMT between Plamy and Frankston has seen any major realignment's, major rebuilds apart from the recent earthquake's in the Sth Island or Otaki rebuilds at still dated back when Rail and Stream were Kings. The last Rail Observer mention that KiwiRail was refuse funds to build a major Rail Hub at Rollie Sth of CHCH which has increase cost to producers in the Mid Canterbury Regional, but the Palmy one got the Ok and then we have the saga of the Gizzy line, Northland Rail lines and other mothball lines.

       Land was sold off by Government's in the mid 80's and under Private ownership without any thought to the future use for freight and passenger services. A good example of this the CHCH Station and the removal of the turnout towards the site of the old Station, land around the New Market Junction and that's before we even start talking the Britomart Station only being restricted to 4 roads or the Wellington Station issues as well.

       To those that the current Rail gauge of 3ft 6in restricts NZ Rail services is a bloody load of Bollocks. We only need to have a look at the Tilt Trains in Qld both Electric and Diesel power trains or the Train Systems in the Perth/ Lower to Mid WA.

       To those out there that want to understand the current issues facing NZ Rail and other aspects of NZ Rail from the pass and to the future? Grab the latest edition of the NZ Rail Observer and sign up to the NZ Rail Society.

       Sorry for the plug for the NZ Rail Society.
   • Peter Christchurh nz 4.2

     16 June 2019 at 1:53 pm

     Cleangreen: I absolutely upport a strong rail base for freight and commuters, but the Gisborne line has always been a problem.

     Major erosion issues have meant this line has frequently been closed for very long periods. It would always have been like that, and that line was never going to be essential to the rail system as a whole, being a dead end as such.

     Better to bite the bullet and keep it closed, and spend the money elsewhere in the rail system. Which I guess is what the current government has decided.
     • gsays 4.2.1

       16 June 2019 at 3:44 pm

       It's ironic you say that Peter, our local example of road/rail/slips has the road closed, the Manawatu Gorge, and across the river the trains keep on trucking.

       Apparently the difference between the terra firma of the Ruahines (rail) and the Tararuas is profound. Consequence is all the road freight grinds it's way up, over and down the Ruahines.

       For the sake of a couple of tunnels being widened we could have the trucks trained through the gorge, Woodville to Ashhurst or Palmy….
   • gsays 4.3

     16 June 2019 at 3:37 pm

     I thought of you clean when I heard the Napier-Wairoa announcement.

     Toasted your efforts with a lovely hopped chilli home brew cider.
5. joe90 5

   16 June 2019 at 10:02 am

   tRump's 'Murica.

   https://twitter.com/ScottLinnen/status/1139980107731390464
   • Jenny - How to Get there? 5.1

     16 June 2019 at 10:53 am

     I wonder what the reaction would be, if the same criteria were included in a job ad. for any other kind of child care facility?

     Are you good with children?

     Then don't apply

     Papakura Childcare Centre is looking for someone who can, lunge, jump, run, twist, coerce, push, pull, infants and children.
   • Sabine 5.2

     16 June 2019 at 12:20 pm

     who would have predicted that.
6. Dennis Frank 6

   16 June 2019 at 12:18 pm

   I was surprised to notice that Marama seems to have gotten belated traction in her campaign to liberate the C word – in the most unlikeliest of places. Britain, where the stuff upper lip is no longer merely quivering. It seems to have gone feral. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-c-word-victoria-derbyshire-tory-leadership-race-contest-a8958426.html

   "Jeremy Hunt has demanded broadcasters “grow up” and stop mistakenly referring to him by the C-word when trying to pronounce his surname."

   "On Tuesday, BBC presenter Victoria Derbyshire followed a host of TV and radio personalities by accidentally referring to the foreign secretary as “Jeremy C***” live on-air. Addressing Conservative MP Steve Brine, Derbyshire said: “You say the man you are backing, Jeremy C***…”

   “I’m so sorry, Jeremy Hunt. I’ve never said that before in my life. It’s normally men who say that so I really, really want to apologise.”

   "Others who have made the gaffe include Sky News reporter Thomas Moore, BBC journalists Justin Webb and James Naughtie, as well as presenter Nicky Campbell just last week."

   Jeremy Hunt is the British Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs. For the British media to vilify him thus seems a new behavioural low, which has become contagious. Not an appropriate way to treat a leading govt minister!

   Notice how he asks them to grow up, yet refers to their utterances as mistakes. Adults make mistakes too. Surely he knows they do! Really accidental?? Or juvenile? Perhaps it would be better for offenders to agree that the trend is Freudian slippage…
   • Psycho Milt 6.1

     16 June 2019 at 12:40 pm

     To be fair, Jeremy Hunt's personality and behaviour must make it very hard for journalists to remember to say "Hunt" when referring to him.
   • Gabby 6.2

     16 June 2019 at 1:12 pm

     If he'd just stop being such a hunt it might happen less often.
7. Anne 7

   16 June 2019 at 12:19 pm

   It's in the feed section but needs to be highlighted:

   http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2019/06/ripped-away-from-their-parents.html

   This is the enormous virtue of Reid’s and Newsroom’s investigative journalism. It digs below the superficial stereotypes that allow so many of us to dismiss the anguish of “these people” as the inevitable outcome of their irresponsible lifestyles. That they are brown and say “yous”, instead of “you”, only makes it easier for middle-class Pakeha to ignore their pain. Oranga Tamariki, the Family Court, the DHBs and the Police have made it possible for those Kiwis who have made their peace with race-based social injustice to go about their lives without the slightest awareness of the tragedies unfolding, every night, in suburbs they will never visit.

   First of all the "State"- aided and abetted by successive governments – created the climate of poverty that exists among Maori communities in particular, and then they remove their babies on the pretext they are nor living in safe and secure environments.

   There will of course be valid reasons why some children have to be removed from their Whanau, but it is looks to me like the agencies involved have created a social apartheid system based on their prejudices and… not a little desire for power and control.
   • Anne 7.1

     16 June 2019 at 4:07 pm

     Minister, Tracy Martin has announced an inquiry into the case. I have trust in her to ensure the inquiry is fair and the outcome reasonable.

     https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/inquiry-announced-into-handling-attempted-uplift-baby-in-hawkes-bay-last-month-oranga-tamariki
8. Gabby 8

   16 June 2019 at 1:14 pm

   They might know more about the whanau and their associates than they're allowed to say.
   • Anne 8.1

     16 June 2019 at 4:11 pm

     True Gabby, but they might also be basing their judgement on past behaviour not taking into account that the circumstances of the mother and her whanau may have changed.
9. greywarshark 9

   16 June 2019 at 1:15 pm

   Trivial comment.

   If my weight goes up because I'm fat, why does the fatty cream float on top of the milk? Perhaps i should eat more cream.
   • Peter Christchurh nz 9.1

     16 June 2019 at 1:55 pm

     Or drink more milk? Force those fat deposits to the surface GWS!
   • Gabby 9.2

     16 June 2019 at 2:19 pm

     And how does balsa get away with being a hardwood greysy?
     • Andre 9.2.1

       16 June 2019 at 4:00 pm

       If they're all scrunched up together, how come they're called apartments?
   • Bruce 9.3

     16 June 2019 at 6:19 pm

     Drink buttermilk, That allows the fat to be suspended in water (blood) and carried away.
10. adam 10

    16 June 2019 at 1:20 pm

    "Fuck the Government and Fuck Boris"

    
    
    
11. Fireblade 11

    16 June 2019 at 2:09 pm

    The Act Party's new branding is blue, yellow and hot pink.

    I feel a migraine coming on.

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/actnz/sites/1002/meta_images/original/output-onlinepngtools.png?1560642422
    • Andre 11.1

      16 June 2019 at 4:02 pm

      Once upon a time, I had ski gear in just those colours!
    • Muttonbird 11.2

      16 June 2019 at 4:29 pm

      That is terrible design. The type looks awful at that size and its a text body font anyway. Even worse is the horrible contrast between the oblique shapes and the type.

      Any what does the pink represent? There seems to have been no design brief, and even less design ability.

      Like ACT itself a clumsy, poorly thought out wish mash of not fit for purpose ideas…

      …on second thoughts that logo is a perfect description of the 0.4% party.
    • Editractor 11.3

      16 June 2019 at 6:43 pm

      Maybe it's a trend
      • Fireblade 11.3.1

        16 June 2019 at 7:00 pm

        Maybe Seymour got the idea after he went to…

        https://www.peachesandcream.co.nz/catalog/view/theme/custom/image/2014/pc-logo-white.png
12. adam 12

    16 June 2019 at 2:41 pm

    If you think for one minute the old money establishment give a rats about you and yours, think again… In the following spot the similarity with dirty politics that Donkey pulled.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/brazil-archive-operation-car-wash/
13. Andre 13

    16 June 2019 at 3:08 pm

    With Sarah Huckabooboo Slanders heading off to spend more time lying to her family, Samantha Bee has a couple of farewell remembrance messages.

    https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/1139606843767107584

    https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/1139639896438640641
    • Macro 13.1

      16 June 2019 at 4:02 pm

      
    • Macro 13.2

      16 June 2019 at 4:12 pm

      
      • Morrissey 13.2.1

        16 June 2019 at 4:35 pm

        She's horrible, but she's not the first, and she's not the worst.
        • Macro 13.2.1.1

          17 June 2019 at 7:03 am

          She is irreplacable!

          Satire from The Borowitz Report

          Replacement for Sarah Sanders Disqualified After Telling Truth on Job Application

          WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—A leading candidate to replace the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, was disqualified after telling the truth repeatedly on his job application, the White House has confirmed.

          According to the White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, the candidate got high marks in his job interview by demonstrating “utter disregard and contempt for press freedoms.”

          “We then had him do a practice press briefing in which he was relentlessly abusive, obnoxious, and insulting,” Mulvaney said. “We were all, like, ‘This is our guy.’ ”

          But after a thorough examination of the candidate’s job application, “a troubling series of truthhoods emerged,” Mulvaney said.

          “It turned out that he was telling the truth about his education and previous employment,” the chief of staff said. “It was a pattern of honesty that we found deeply disturbing.”

          Mulvaney said that the “inexcusably veracious” answers had eliminated the candidate from further consideration. “We all feel like we just dodged a bullet,” he said. “This whole episode just demonstrates how tough it is to replace Sarah Huckabee Sanders.”
14. A 14

    16 June 2019 at 3:40 pm

    My thoughts and prayers to those affected by the plane collision over Hood Aerodrome, Masterton.
    • Macro 14.1

      16 June 2019 at 4:00 pm

      OMG! I did used to fly out of Hood way back. In fact did my first solo there and my PPL.

      I remember my first solo – not only because it was my first solo, but for a very similar reason. On your down wind leg apart from doing the normal pre landing checks on the aircraft you are also looking out for other aircraft . Naturally you are looking out for aircraft to the right and to the left and above and behind. On the approach as you descend you are watching airspeed height and timing your turn to line up with the runway. Well I landed safely and came to a stop turning to the left to clear the runway before heading back to the club house when I saw almost directly behind me a DC3 from James Aviation, used for top dressing, landing just behind me! It had come in on a direct approach low down – no standard circuit at 1000ft as one is supposed to do on an uncontrolled airfield like Hood. Gave me one hell of a fright!

      It's been a bad weekend for aircraft crashes. There was one earlier on up by Coromandel as well.
15. Morrissey 15

    16 June 2019 at 4:31 pm

    She expressed shock that Trump spoke crudely about women, but apparently she was not shocked that her own husband had a kill list.

    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/its-michelle-obamas-marie-antoinette.html
16. Jenny - How to Get there? 16

    16 June 2019 at 5:09 pm

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17. joe90 17

    16 June 2019 at 6:03 pm

    Just what the world needs.

    https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1139743663737622529
    • Morrissey 17.1

      16 June 2019 at 8:05 pm

      Trump's got a Twitter page—though nearly all of it is written by the sinister fanatic Stephen Miller. Obama's got a Twitter page. Blair's got one. Bill Clinton's got one. So has Crooked Hillary.

      Compared to that horrific quintet, O.J. Simpson is a choirboy.
18. Muttonbird 18

    16 June 2019 at 6:25 pm

    The act the goat for freedom party proposes a $185,000 parent's fund for each child to spend on whichever school they want for the length of the child's education.

    I'm trying to imagine the landscape were a policy like this enacted.

    One immediate outcome would be that each school would charge according to popularity. Supply and demand and all that.

    Therefore, as night follows day, there would be immediate elitism injected into the education system. Prices for "good" schools would skyrocket, wealthier parents able to top up thousands of dollars to get little Cinnamon in, and they'd then pay their teachers more, hoarding all the 'best' ones.

    Then of course low income communities would be left with all the 'poorer' teachers and facilities, unable to raise extra funds out of already disadvantaged communities.

    This is just one aspect of what is to me a completely bizarre education policy. It would lead to massive widening of inequality for generations to come.
    • I feel love 18.1

      17 June 2019 at 9:12 am

      I remember the criticism over the proposed CGT was it'll be too hard & unwieldy to manage, all the variables, to me this education policy seems insanely complicated, more money for ticket clippers I guess, which is apt from the rentier party.
      • Muttonbird 18.1.1

        17 June 2019 at 9:19 am

        Indeed. There'd be an entire new industry of advisors pop up to manage the new complexities of educating your kids.

        There are volumes and volumes of negatives in this bizarre, 19th century policy.
19. Morrissey 19

    16 June 2019 at 8:02 pm

    Pompeo's "freedom loving nations" is as dishonest and ridiculous a phrase as "Democratic Republic of North Korea"

    The "freedom loving nations" that this poisonous slug refers to are: the rogue U.S. regime of Donald Trump, and its vile, violent vassals Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, and Israel.
20. greywarshark 20

    16 June 2019 at 9:33 pm

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00182/the-crisis-the-housing-minister-created.htm

    A report yesterday of a woman, 86, moving because of a 73 percent rent hike illustrates the crisis created by Housing Minister Phil Twyford, Tenancies War spokesman Mike Butler said today….

    The main justification for Mr Twyford’s standards was to prevent the hospitalisation each year of 6000 children for housing-sensitive illnesses.

    As a one-bedroom flat, the flat under discussion would be unsuitable for children; this illustrates the short-sightedness of setting requirements for 588,700 properties for the supposed benefit of 6000, Mr Butler said.
    • Muttonbird 20.1

      16 June 2019 at 9:45 pm

      $150/week is under-rented. Insulation requirements were nothing to do with Labour, sadly, so Mr Butler can't 'blame' Twyford for that.

      And bringing up to healthy homes standard which I believe is mostly about a heating source in the main room doesn't require a $110/week rent hike.

      I think Mr Butler has used this story to push a pro-amateur landlord/property investor agenda.

      It's tiresome.
21. Eco maori 21

    17 June 2019 at 12:37 pm

    This is reality our environmental the Papatuanuku weather stabilizer the Antarctica and Arctic Polar Ice caps all that billions of tons of Ice stabilizes our Papatuanuku weather. It's not hard to figure that out they are melting fast this is going to ramp up sea level rising and the EXTREME WEATHER events. The poor people from 3 world nations are going to hit hardest by Climate Change hence wealth nations have a duty to help them survive this big man made mess.

    The Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet have seen record June ice loss

    Ice is melting in unprecedented waysas summer approaches in the Arctic.

    In recent days, observations have revealed a record-challenging melt event over the Greenland ice sheet while the extent of ice over the Arctic Ocean has never been this low in mid-June during the age of weather satellites.

    Greenland saw temperatures soar up to 40 degrees above normal Wednesday while open water exists in places north of Alaska where it seldom, if ever, has in recent times.

    It's "another series of extreme events consistent with the long-term trend of a warming, changing Arctic," said Zachary Labe, a climate researcher at the University of California-Irvine Ka kite ano link below.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/113516824/the-arctic-ocean-and-greenland-ice-sheet-have-seen-record-june-ice-loss
22. Eco maori 22

    17 June 2019 at 2:40 pm

    Some Eco Maori music for the minute.

    https://youtu.be/k6fvex8kr58
23. Eco maori 23

    17 June 2019 at 6:28 pm

    Kia ora Newshub.

    shonky is to sly to get caught the way he forces his stare shows Eco Maori he is false he should step down to he is just chucking the ANZ CEO under the bus to save his ASS.

    I thank the government for legislating banks to negotiate with farmers before receivership is started. That is well needed farmers work there asss off only to have a down turn in the price of their produce next minute the receiver are banging their doors down. I know that happened to one big farming family it cost the banks many millions and who instigated their downfall well non other than shonky muppet.

    Thank to Our Government for increasing the marine Reservation in the North and South Island to protect our Maui and Hector dolphin KA PAI Yar Cool.

    That end of life bill is a bit tricky for Eco Maori it could leave the door open for deceitful people to manipulate the system for their own gain if people were not deceitful I would back it we Know that not the CASE.

    Ka kite ano
24. Eco maori 24

    17 June 2019 at 6:51 pm

    Kia ora te ao Maori news.

    Peter Smith I say you are correct that the health system is treating prisoners as lower class people you are there seeing it .But bro you have to look after you health first for you mokopuna.

    It good that $138 million for rehabilitation of Drug addicts that PEE shit is ruining te tangata whenua O Aotearoa thanks very much I won't say anymore because I will start ranting against you know who.

    That's cool our Government giving $9.8 million to keep tamariki in schools they need a good education the extra funding will help give the tamariki that leave school with no education a interest in there future wellbeing.

    The forestry industry has not delivered the promises that they made to Nagti Porou the only people making good money from east coast forestry is the forestry company's I know of one farm spent $1 million for the harvest and only made $90.000 WTF there was heaps of good farming land planted in pines what a waste farming provides more work per hectare than forestry.

    Ka kite ano
25. Eco maori 25

    18 June 2019 at 8:38 am

    Kia ora The Am Show.

    Chris Climate Change is affecting our weather I can see the effects all around te Papatuanuku.

    The Government farm finance bill is well over due we have to look after our farmers they are the backbone of Aotearoa.

    Don't focus on the numbers what the numbers tell the TRUTH of the story you have to focus on the numbers .

    Some Pepi and Tamariki need to be uplifted for their safety Very good that Our Iwis are working with Oranga tamariki to find solutions to the problems that they have.

    I don't think that the authorities should treat the people who are homeless like that making them move with know were to go putting them in worst circumstances than before they moved.

    There might be a bit of inconvenience for the fishermen with new marine protection Reserve for our endangered Maui and Hector dolphin. But in the future the Reserves will be a nursery the fish's they will multiply quite quickly and flow into other areas of Tangaroa any Marine Reservation is good for the preservation of Tangaroa mokopuna.

    I agree that our churches should open their doors to help the homeless people in South Auckland I bet that there will be old buildings not being used in Auckland to house the homeless people look at Rotorua council they found a solution to the homeless people in Rotorua if there's a will there's a way.

    Ka kite ano
26. Eco maori 26

    18 June 2019 at 9:58 am

    Eco Maori thanks all the reporters who are not intimidated by big oil barons money thanks for all the skin you put on the line to get the TRUTH about our environmental issues out there that the Papatuanuku has at the minute.

    We must protect our world reporters with good legislation so the people who intimidated our reporters will think twice before doing bad stuff to our reporters governments of the world must protect our reporters its their duty.

    Environment reporters facing harassment and murder, study finds

    Tally of deaths makes it one of most dangerous fields for journalists after war reporting

    Thirteen journalists who were investigating damage to the environment have been killed in recent years and many more are suffering violence, harassment, intimidation and lawsuits, according to a study.

    The Committee to Protect Journalists(CPJ), which produced the tally, is investigating a further 16 deaths over the last decade. It says the number of murders may be as high as 29, making this field of journalism one of the most dangerous after war reporting

    Environmental issues involve some of the greatest abuses of power in the world and some of the greatest of concentrations of power in the world,” said Bruce Shapiro, the director of the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma.

    “I’m hard put to think of a category of investigative reporters who are routinely dealing with more dangerous actors. Investigative reporting on the environment can be as dangerous a beat as reporting on narco smuggling.”

    The CPJ executive director, Joel Simon, added: “Reporting such stories for national and international media often involves travelling to remote communities and confronting powerful interests. This makes it inherently dangerous ka kite ano link below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/17/environment-reporters-facing-harassment-murder-study
27. Eco maori 27

    18 June 2019 at 1:09 pm

    Some Eco Maori music for the minute.

    https://youtu.be/h4DFXUndvbw
28. Eco maori 28

    18 June 2019 at 2:58 pm

    Te Ego is huge shonky that is when you make enemies they have long memories and as soon as they get the chance they bit you on the ASS .

    The smiling assassin strikes: John Key pushes out David Hisco as ANZ CEO

    ANZ CEO David Hisco felt entitled to claim around $50,000 worth of personal chauffeur and wine storage costs as business costs. So John Key pushed out his friend and NZ's most successful banker to protect ANZ's position and try to avoid a Royal Commission here. Bernard Hickey analyses Key's biggest hit yet

    David Hisco just joined a long list of loyal and often friendly colleagues of John Key who exited their jobs in often surprisingly quick and career-ending ways. It could be said Hisco's exit is Key's biggest yet.

    The Former Prime Minister and now ANZ New Zealand chairman became known in his corporate life before politics as the 'smiling assassin

    Hisco successfully managed the merger with barely a blip in customer service and market share. He also quietly presided over a reduction in ANZ's exposure to dangerous dairy loans, flicking on some of the weakest lenders to other banks. For example, ANZ let Allan Crafar move his more than $200 million of loans to Westpac before the poorly managed farming group collapsed under a welter of animal mistreatment allegations and effluent treatment fines. Westpac suffered heavy losses in the subsequent receivership and sale of Crafar Farms Ka kite ano link below.

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/113576752/the-smiling-assassin-returns-for-his-biggest-hit
29. Eco maori 29

    18 June 2019 at 6:26 pm

    Kia ora Newshub.

    I agree shonky scapegoats a junior staff we know that the buck stops with the boss not the boy.

    I think it's good that the restriction on foreign houses buyers is working let KIWIs back into the Aotearoa housing markets.

    Condolences to all the people affected by the earthquakes in China.

    Mark the UBER flying taxis engineer very cool the flying electric cars are the way of the future KIWIs ingenuity ka pai.

    Is sad how the police treated the African American people in America Mike.

    Ka kite ano
30. Eco maori 30

    18 June 2019 at 6:48 pm

    Kia ora te ao Maori news.

    Condolences to the Whanau of Wanna Davies she was a good Wahine Maori leader.

    I'm am not commenting on Oranga tamariki to much .I think the good reforms will come soon.

    30 years ago the ruling class were still in denial mode what gives Eco Maori a sore face in now they are listening and can see that institutionalized racism is a reality for te tangata whenua O Aotearoa. NOW

    I think traditional ronga Maori healing needs to be revived bad to its rightful place in Maoridom it's sad that we losted some of the knowledge on traditional Maori healing.

    I say bottled water needs to be banned we need to stop doing dumb shit all the plastic waste and the carbon footprint of bottled water out weighs the positives of bottled water

    Ka kite ano
31. Eco maori 31

    19 June 2019 at 8:29 am

    Kia ora The Am show .

    Big 6.8 Earthquake in Japan let's hope not to many people are harmed .

    That guy and his dog who got lost in a cave found their way out cool.

    The SHOW must go on in America.

    Mark the American polls tell a difference STORY .

    That form of accommodation is good for young people shared accommodation in a whare in Auckland rent $320 a week for one room and every else is shared.

    Very cool that our Government is investing $26 million into Artic research they Polar Ice caps are the Papatuanuku environment stabilization.

    trump is spending big time manipulating the Papatuanuku media I can hear it in your words duncan I have read stories about them moving federal funds to manipulate the reality of what trump has done he is creating a tsunami of broke America's it will take years for the Democrats to clean up trump's MESS. His tariff are harming the whole Papatuanuku everyone in the world will end up paying and worse off because of his tariffs.

    Nice Jersey I agree trump's personal ratings are low .

    Its very funny the story's about new technology device use causing bone growth in your neck the internet of things and the hard wear devices and social media is changing who rules the world the oil barons trumps masters are losing control fast time for the next generation to rule the Papatuanuku the next generation has to focus on a good future for all.

    Ka kite ano

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