It’s a thoughtful idea Chairman, but I’d suggest a grocery voucher (no smokes or booze allowed) and credit on the power bill instead. That would still leave a bit extra in the pocket, full cupboards and power sorted.
JanM
There is a need to keep a clear head when doing something of a helpful nature for people in need. It is NOT unreasonable to take measures to ensure that people use the help in the most effective way to aid themselves and ease their lives, and those of who are dependent on them.
We know that we can all be tempted to do things which are not the best steps we should take, or use opportunities well. Cinny is just being realistic and you are using PC cant and not understanding people’s basic drives at all.
We know that we can all be tempted to do things which are not the best steps we should take, or use opportunities well.
And sometimes, for their health, people need to let their hair down. Such a double payment would, as far as I’m concerned, be for that precise purpose.
Is that not what Muldoon did some years/decades back ?
I would also suggest that it only applied to those simply on the Benefit/super and not to people with secondary pensions.
Observer Tokoroa
I thought that Jan M was patronising actually and now you. You are so much, that you can’t learn anything from someone who knows stuff and who has thought about that stuff.
The trouble with people like yourself is that you are too rigid, first you want people to have the greatest freedom with what you hand out. Then others who truly despise the struggling classes feel free to step in and say how useless the poor are because they didn’t use the help in the way that the rigid expect.
People often get quite despairing and give up trying to follow rules when they are hard up and live from day to day. They may become alcoholic which will soak up every dollar they are given, or spend extra funds at Christmas time on expensive toys that soon get broken, leaving not much left for afterwards.
An example – I believe in Glasgow the drinking men there had priorities for money – food, alcohol, gas or electricity, shoes, then rent. And the greatest of these is alcohol. But in NZ today as well, there will be credit card payments etc.
Don’t be so snotty some of you wet charity givers. When you want to do good, think around the problem just not chant slogans about freedom and the nobility and wisdom of adults. Everyone can fall into temptation of overspending, the housing and credit bubble is affecting the supposedly wealthy.
Why should those at the bottom with few comforts and kind consideration from the government re living wages, decent social hours etc etc – why I ask should they automatically direct their extra money where it needs to be, what about some fun for a change? Many of them would just buy a dozen of beer and fish and chips and have some fun for a change. Which is okay but something has to be held back for the other important things. And both partners in a family would need to show restraint also, something not always seen in domestic violence unhappy valley NZ.
In other words, people who haven’t had spare money for a while need to receive help with thought. Even Lotto winners of millions need help in controlling their spending – in a couple of years people can be back to hard times.
“In other words, people who haven’t had spare money for a while need to receive help with thought. ”
Totally agree.
And it does not undermine the leftie narrative…empowering people to be sensible and very, very careful with what they have. Encouraging people to think ahead is a good thing.
Teaching people budgeting skills is a good thing…and if you want proof of this from a leftie viewpoint…look what our right wing government did to those who need this help during these very, very tight times….
It does undermine the ‘leftie narrative’ actually. The whole concept of keeping a poorly paid ‘underclass’ to whom the wealthy can hand out charity as they see fit is a very right wing narrative
Except the state is made up of organisations that are most definitely not using an empowerment model. You know this from your experiences with Health and WINZ. And in the context of that, treating all beneficiaries as people incapable of making the best decisions for themselves, is at the least buying into the RW narrative JanM is talking about.
Trying to teach people budgeting skills when they don’t have enough income to live on is dehumanising, patronising and in the end a mindfuck where the people enforcing the teaching are the same people who made sure those people didn’t have enough to live on in the first place. Under those conditions if some beneficiaries want to blow their mythical Christmas bonus on beer or cigarettes or whatever else gives them some temporary relief, then let them, because the solutions to their problems and in fact society’s problems are not to be found in do-gooder classism.
weka
You contradict yourself, and also manage to support people in need going on a total splurge which would end up with them feeling worse than they started with none of the money left to do something valuable to them. Under those conditions if some beneficiaries want to blow their mythical Christmas bonus on beer or cigarettes or whatever else gives them some temporary relief, then let them,
Just go and binge is your answer is it? Instead what about a few bottles of beer, fish and chips and a visit to the $3 shop and op-shops and get max benefit. Is that a stupid, mean idea. Trying to ensure that they get a range of value from the one payment is nasty do-gooder classism is it?
Some of you people have no compassion or love for others, just slogans and social service teaching through tertiary training. A model to follow blindly. Also many people just offer charity with a bit of a sneer or have some PC filter that stops them seeing the reality of what the person actually both wants and needs.
You are getting mixed up with dissatisfaction of government policies in general with an example of practical help to particular people at a particular time.
and also manage to support people in need going on a total splurge which would end up with them feeling worse than they started with none of the money left to do something valuable to them.
Yes, I believe that beneficiaries have just as much right to self-medicate, make mistakes, fuck up, or make the best of a bad situation as anyone else.
You’re making an assumption that a splurge is always bad for someone. I disagree.
“Under those conditions if some beneficiaries want to blow their mythical Christmas bonus on beer or cigarettes or whatever else gives them some temporary relief, then let them,”
Just go and binge is your answer is it?
No, it’s my compassion. I’m not suggesting we mandate it.
Instead what about a few bottles of beer, fish and chips and a visit to the $3 shop and op-shops and get max benefit. Is that a stupid, mean idea.
How would the state make that happen?
Trying to ensure that they get a range of value from the one payment is nasty do-gooder classism is it?
No, treating all beneficiaries as the same, but separate from other NZers simply because they are reliant in welfare, and then controlling how they spend their money, in the guise of what is best for them, that’s the do-gooder classism.
Some of you people have no compassion or love for others, just slogans and social service teaching through tertiary training. A model to follow blindly.
‘you people’? My PhD is in welfare, and no, I’ve never been to uni, and many of my peers have been beneficiaries. I’m part of the underclass you are discussing.
Also many people just offer charity with a bit of a sneer or have some PC filter that stops them seeing the reality of what the person actually both wants and needs.
How about an opt-in option then. Beneficiaries choose whether they get their Christmas bonus as cash in the bank or a voucher.
You are getting mixed up with dissatisfaction of government policies in general with an example of practical help to particular people at a particular time.
No I’m not. My comments are all in response to the idea that the govt should pay via a conditional voucher rather cash. If you are talking about individuals needing and wanting specialist or targeted help that’s a different thing.
We should teach all the kids how to handle money/finance via the state education system, from say year five or six (stnd 3 & 4) onwards, building up skills for more complex understandings at high school.
Money is a fundamental part of life at the present, and so many are unable to handle it simply because they have not been given the skills, and it sucks. Just like how they push us out of the hospital with a new born and a lack of knowledge and then they wonder why some are having trouble copping.
I think as adults people can be more sensitive re money, deep down probably just embarrassed because they were not educated about it. But also maybe sensitive because no matter how they try they just can’t get ahead simply because housing cost is so high.
Financial care on the tv news every night, cut the sport segment in half lolz. Maybe that’s a way to teach the adults without financial knowledge, a how to segment sponsored by Kiwibank the bank our government uses (next government best ditch westpac for kiwibank, that move is long long over due) …
In summary of my big sidetracked novel lmao..
Grocery Voucher (possibly tax write off for WINZ), 2 week limit to spend it, automatically loaded on to their Community Services Card, because it is different in appearance from the current ‘green payment card’ checkout operators would be told that shoppers can buy whatever they like as long as it doesn’t require ID, such as booze etc.
There are special skills needed to live on an inadequate income, but the govt should not be the one to teach them (esp as they create the situation in the first place).
Grocery Voucher (possibly tax write off for WINZ), 2 week limit to spend it, automatically loaded on to their Community Services Card, because it is different in appearance from the current ‘green payment card’ checkout operators would be told that shoppers can buy whatever they like as long as it doesn’t require ID, such as booze etc.
Why should other NZs be allowed to spend their Christmas money on alcohol but not beneficiaries? Serious question.
“In other words, people who haven’t had spare money for a while need to receive help with thought. ”
Totally agree.
So make help available to those people then, if they want it. No need to treat all beneficiaries the same, or separate them off as a class because they are on welfare.
with a food voucher it’s usually a 3 day limit, 2 weeks is longer, maybe 4 would be better?
The money one would save from not having to buy food one could spend on booze or whatever they like.
Just brainstorming is all. Personally beneficary bashing disgusts me, what Paula did to those ladies now that just pure nasty.
TBH Drunk people gross me out, I’m not a boozer and have trouble understanding why everyone wants to get so wasted at christmas. Grow some herb it’s cheaper and the food becomes superb, no hang over, no aggression, no dramas, just be safe after all it is still illegal (the stupid it hurts it really does)
Anyways i’ve seen many things, but one of the worst is booze in the supermarket, if it wasn’t in the bloody supermarket or available to 18 yr old kids (thanks national for those laws, you dumb fucks – please excuse that outburst). It wouldn’t even be a stumbling block with the supermarket voucher idea.
“TBH Drunk people gross me out, I’m not a boozer and have trouble understanding why everyone wants to get so wasted at christmas.”
Yeah, but do you get that the thing that was proposed (voucher bonuses), would stop a beneficiary from having a glass of wine on Christmas day? Why the assumption that they would get totalled?
And why target beneficiaries and not all poor people?
“Yes, I believe that beneficiaries have just as much right to self-medicate, make mistakes, fuck up, or make the best of a bad situation as anyone else.”
Yes, but the outcomes of fuckups are soo much worse for those of us on very limited incomes.
And those who dole out that limited income to us do not care one tiny little bit if we fuck up. No amount of leftie one upmanship will change that.
And if it is not patently obvious that the government is determined to grind us to dust with their ‘welfare reforms’ and ‘social investment policies’ and ‘resilience building’…they care not for those who the system drives to despair or violence towards themselves or others. I can’t understand why more people don’t see this. This is war.
And since they don’t care…then we must. And one aspect of caring is sharing knowledge and experience about how to get through the really, really tough times…how to take another hit and suck it up…how to save the cents so they turn into dollars, how to derive joy and delight from free stuff…and if you get a few dollars extra…put it aside for the rent, the power, the food….because oh…the relief, of just being able to pay that one bill…
“Yes, I believe that beneficiaries have just as much right to self-medicate, make mistakes, fuck up, or make the best of a bad situation as anyone else.”
Yes, but the outcomes of fuckups are soo much worse for those of us on very limited incomes.
That’s true, but we’re not talking about people on very limited incomes, we’re talking about beneficiaries. Or you are suggesting that the govt apply this principle across the board to all people on low incomes?
And if it is not patently obvious that the government is determined to grind us to dust with their ‘welfare reforms’ and ‘social investment policies’ and ‘resilience building’…they care not for those who the system drives to despair or violence towards themselves or others. I can’t understand why more people don’t see this. This is war.
And since they don’t care…then we must. And one aspect of caring is sharing knowledge and experience about how to get through the really, really tough times…how to take another hit and suck it up…how to save the cents so they turn into dollars, how to derive joy and delight from free stuff…and if you get a few dollars extra…put it aside for the rent, the power, the food….because oh…the relief, of just being able to pay that one bill…
Of course (and I’m pretty sure those if us making the political argument against vouchers are well aware of the war). But the argument is centred around what the government should do, not what we can do, were the govt to give beneficiaries a Christmas bonus – give them cash or give them a conditional voucher.
“Because we beneficiaries need, really, really need to have our wits about us one hundred per cent of the time.”
Fuck, no pressure there then.
I appreciate what you are saying, and if that’s what works for you all power to you. I’m not going to lay that pressure on all beneficiaries though, and the only people responsible for the state of the country in this regard are the successive govts who implemented policies designed to make and keep people poor.
A grocery voucher would also be helpful. But the stipulations they contain is a little condescending. How would you feel if your employer paid you in vouchers, limiting where and how your pay could be spent?
I know of people with a food grant who have been questioned at the till by the nazi police (over important till operators) why they have kitchen/bathroom cleaners in their trolley and heaven forbid if you want some Vit.C to get you through the winter, also back to the hygiene products us females need on a monthly basis.
Whispering Kate, that really really blows, how horrible for the shopper going through that experience. I’d boycott said supermarket if they were do such things to people. Wankers. With that in mind i can see where you are coming from now.
Even shampoo and deodorant have been questioned. I don’t know where the till workers get their instructions from but its pretty obvious that the vulnerable and poor are not permitted even a smidgeon of a half decent lifestyle, heaven forbid that they may enjoy even a bit of fun on special occasions. We have regressed back to the dark ages in this country and are far from a civil society, it has become de rigueur these days to bash people when they are down, the new “in” thing to do.
Thank you for grasping what I was saying and explaining it better – lots of well-meaning people seem hard-wired to believe that charity is a reasonable alternative to justice. They don’t see the awful power game inherent in it
so get the extra week as a grocery voucher/rent/mortgage payment, power credit you know the basics and spend the cash on the kids. More cash for the kids pressies crikey one could even buy some pressies at the supermarket
I wasn’t implying wages should be paid in that way, I was merely suggesting they consider how condescending it would feel to be paid and limited in that way.
While a voucher for a Christmas bonus/gift may be quite common, and perfectly legal, the condescending implications can reduce its shine. Not that it wouldn’t be helpful and better than nothing at all.
I worked for a company back in the 1980s that gave out vouchers upon the completion of a major project that had been finished on budget and on time. Most unusual for large scale computer systems
We were told that if they gave us cash it would have to be declared as income and would be taxed. If the gave us vouchers it wouldn’t have to be declared and wasn’t taxable.
I didn’t really see the difference but I assumed they knew what they were talking about.
Is that still the case, at least for employees? Would benefit payments come into the same category?
I don’t know about benefit payments, but as far as wages go, a cash bonus is taxable, where as a voucher, which can not be redeemed for cash, up to the amount of $300 per quarter is not taxable and no need for FBT either.
True but that’s how they do it anyways at WINZ for a food grant. Monies is loaded onto a card, 3 days to spend it, must be spent where specified, the local supermarkets and not the local dairy etc.
With the food paid for people could use the extra cash how they pleased
Yes, they do. And it’s stigmatizing. We’ve all heard the stories (a number of which Whispering Kate highlighted above).
Contrary to the right-wing narrative, due to their low incomes, beneficiaries are generally adept at budgeting and making ends meet. A number of budgeting advisors would tell you it’s inadequate income levels that is the real issue.
Cinny you seem to be the constantly on the ball commenter here. From the rest it is just attack and how dare you apply some controls and rationality to extra payments to beneficiaries at Christmas. Or ignore the matter altogether and carry on about unfair government.
This was the original comment: JanM 1.1.1
17 December 2016 at 8:51 am
Careful, Cinny, that sounds a bit as though you are looking through a deficit lens. These are adults you are discussing, not ‘naughty children’.
Emotional stuff, critical of any attempt at thought. Any attempt at control of spending is an attack on good, noble people treated unkindly by an evil government. That’s it.
As in most things there is an element of truth. If commenters spent time considering that when they write, there might be really useful things come out of the tons of words that pour onto the site. Unfortunately mostly no. What’s my element of truth here. Probably 70 for 30 against.
interesting that the first thing comes to your mind that a poor person would treat themselves to a pack of fags or a bottle of vino. Perish the thought, and oh my gosh, what will the good church ladies thing?
So you would want to give the Christmas Bonus as a voucher or a credit on the power bill. great, so they use what ever benefit money they get to buy a pack of fags and a bottle of vine and maybe a gift for the kidlings.
you solved what? nothing.
but you got to play the narrative that people on a budget need budgeting help and would not possibly be sensible with their cash.
Which, frankly is a load of bs. Most people on a budget are very very careful how to spend it and how to make it go as far as possible, cause frankly when they reached the end of it its gone.
You also assume that people on low income/benefits don’t need pleasures in life but only the basic necessities to life cause poor. So no fags for mum, no beer for dad and no toys for kids.
What was that, a bonus for Christmas? Ahh, fuck it. Lets just call it a ‘hand out’, and before you get it you must go to a seminar telling you how to be appropriately poor and meek. You know, just so they know how to be great full n shit.
No. Christmas is a false construct of a rampant commercial/capitalist culture and should be eliminated.
God botherers can do their thing if they like…but they should also give consideration to the teachings of their Christ…what he would have to say about how society demands we all celebrate his birth?
I have no sympathy for foolish people who get sucked in by the Xmas hype…god, as a beneficiary I’d be even further up financial shit creek had I not have made the decision 40 plus years ago not to do Christmas.
While Christmas is a false construct, it’s rather ingrained, thus some can’t easily escape it.
It’s a hard one telling kids we don’t do Christmas while it’s marketed at and around them.
And as it does tend to lead a number further up that financial shit creek, a one off extra payment would really help. Perhaps saving some from resorting to those high interest loan-sharks and mobile truck shops targeting the vulnerable.
“It’s a hard one telling kids we don’t do Christmas while it’s marketed at and around them.”
yep…been there with three kids who went through the Catholic school system.
Very hard, but like other lessons we are obliged as parents to teach, once learned gives a lifetime of reward. Teaches them critical thinking, skepticism, and a strong and abiding resistance to gross advertising.
No, sorry Santa, I mean The Chairman, use those $$$ for some education programs on how to resist retail pressure and debt seduction.
While advocating the benefits of not doing Christmas and advising others against getting sucked in may work for some, it doesn’t help those that can’t help but to be lured in.
Moreover, it’s not like those on a benefit that can withdraw from Christmas can’t do with the extra payment.
I was just picturing the McDonald children being lectured on how they can’t have Christmas because it’s a false construct of a rampant commercial/capitalist culture.
Don’t know about your offspring PM, but mine were and still are quite capable of seeing the reason of it.
Change is hard….I know…
What really makes me laugh are those people who quite genuinely say to me…”Oh, you’re so lucky being able to not do Christmas, I wish I could do that!”
I guess in NZ christmas means summer holidays more than anything else, here we don’t buy into the commercial christmas, but the kids have a bit of fun learning new things making presents… go to the beach collect the shells and drift wood, come home make an outside wind chime for the grandparents for Christmas. Everyone is happy not one cent spent.
“We must eliminate Christmas. While we are at it we will destroy Good Friday and Easter Monday as well.”
As far as I can see James no one has mentioned eliminating any of these Christian festivals, what they are saying is, we don’t get sucked in by the crass commercial bullshit that goes with it. I cannot see anything bitter about that, in fact, no doubt it is better than feeling bitter in Feb when all the credit card bills arrive.
What is worshipped today is consumerism not Christianity and the new Cathedrals are the shopping malls, playing stupid Christmas songs and carols at this time of year to give the punters a “good” feeling to help to relieve them of their cash or to give the credit card another thrash.
I have never “celebrated” Christmas as such, but it does not stop the family having a good get together with friends at the end of the year. We enjoy ourselves and best of all come Feb we know that we will not receive any large credit bills.
Agree with Rosemary 200%.
Rosemary, Christmas – is actually a counterweight to all the hate and war as it proclaims love and peace to all. This has less to do with commercialism that was invented in the 50’s with a Coka Cola’s Santa Claus.
Christmas – is a word combining “Christ” as in the son of god and “mes” as in mass at church celebrates hope for those who are actually the poorest.
Unfortunately, a fat man in a red suit, a new Pagan culture has taken over the meaning and given it a make over.
The western countries worshiping only one god and it isn’t one in any gospel, have adopted this religious celebration and made it a commercial juggernaut.
I personally don’t participate in the stampede to the shopping centers but I do support the idea that this time of the year should make us stop for once and start thinking about our neighbors, families and relatives. Making sure that no one has to feel excluded and everybody has food and shelter.
I support the idea that basics like a home, food, power, clothing and a decent education should be available to all, all year round.
And we should all want these things for all, all year round.
In case it isn’t obvious…I really, really hate the whole christmas hypocrisy thing…why can’t we hold those aspirations foremost in our hearts and minds ALL the time?
Maybe it’s time to just bring benefit levels up to a livable level with the same increases that Super has enjoyed over the years… and ‘let’ beneficiaries manage their own Christmas spending.
Indeed. But it the meantime, this would be some instant help. Perhaps allowing some to avoid incurring debt and the fiscal struggle of paying off high interest loans for the rest of the year.
Not only would it be widely appreciated and helpful for beneficiaries, but as with increasing benefits, it would be a great PR move for a National Party.
Pray tell us.
What are these “fat bonuses” you talk about?
I presume they are things that are not documented in the pay and allowances that the MPs get.
Yes, I know it’s not listed as a bonus but it’s certainly going to come across as that as it’s going to be a rather large lump sum just in time for Xmas.
No it isn’t a “fat bonus”.
That is not to say that I don’t think many politicians are not overpaid. Back when I was younger I believe that an MP earned about as much as a teacher with something called a “position of responsibility. Councillors got almost nothing.
Now they all make long term careers of it and have to be dragged out kicking and screaming because it is more money that many of them could ever earn.
Notwithstanding a pay increase cannot be classed as a bonus. For one thing it isn’t even a one-off. It goes on and on forever.
Notwithstanding a pay increase cannot be classed as a bonus.
I did say that but, IMO, the backdating to July will act as one. It’s not as if politicians salaries can’t be planned in line with the new financial year.
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There’s more propaganda than news coming out of Aleppo this week.
Apparently so.
There was a period in 2011 and 2012 when there were genuinely independent opposition activists operating inside Syria, but as the jihadis took over these brave people were forced to flee abroad, fell silent or were dead.
Oh, they had to flee or die because “jihadis.” And here was me thinking it was because of all that killing and torturing the Assad regime started on when faced with “genuinely independent opposition activists.” It does seem odd though that “jihadis” only started taking over after Assad had made it more than your life’s worth to be a democracy enthusiast.
It is a genuine civil war and the exclusive focus of on the atrocities committed by the Syrian armed forces on an unarmed civilian population gives a skewed picture of what is happening.
True, the western media isn’t getting any coverage of rebel atrocities, for the reasons Cockburn mentions. On the other hand, the jihadi groups carrying out atrocities aren’t claiming to be legitimate governments that should get to turn up at the UN and be treated as though they aren’t actually just a gang of murderers. Nor have they turned Aleppo into the most-destroyed city since Grozny (also a Russian special). The media focus would be on Assad and his Iranian and Russian patrons regardless of whether western media could cover jihadi atrocities or not.
Cockburn has much stronger credentials to comment on the situation in Syria than you.
Please explain your where your insights on the Middle East come from?
Y ears of experienceas an independent journalist ?
A PhD in modern Middle East politics?
Please explain the authority upon which you can dismiss Cockburn’s views with such assurance.
I sense readers of the Standard are reading your strong opinionated view supported by no actual substance.
And please today.
Express your view without recourse to aggro.
Pointing out your logical fallacies isn’t “aggro,” it’s “education.” Speaking of which, your comment above again attempts to argue from authority.
Instead of playing “my link is better than yours,” try arguing something yourself for a change. What in my comment do you believe was incorrect and why?
Paul, I wouldn’t bother responding to such a lame attempt at a wind-up. He knows it is in fact a competition, and that the hapless “Psycho Milt” is not even qualified to enter the arena.
By the way, just to clarify, I am not running Psycho Milt as a stooge. He is his own man. Sadly.
And there is a special breed of summer visitors: the super-wealthy who have built palaces that are left unoccupied for much of the year and who fly in – often literally, by plane to Mangere and then by helicopter to Waiheke – for a few weeks at the height of summer. There’s an undertone of disapproval – how wasteful! – when this phenomenon is discussed. But really it’s not that different from the usage pattern of the traditional Kiwi fibro bach: occupied for a few weeks at Christmas and left empty – and probably, back in the day, unlocked – the rest of the time.
But you can expect more super-wealthy to invade any time now. “For people with really phenomenal wealth, and I’m talking, by and large, not New Zealanders, this is a very attractive place and, post-Trump, becoming even more attractive,” says Hawkesby. “There are quite a few non-New Zealanders with substantial properties, but when they come into the village they wear Jandals, shorts and a T-shirt. They’re not coming in white linen. They sneak in, sneak out and don’t want to make a fuss. It’s not the Hamptons in that respect.”
I grew up believing that this was a country where everyone had a fair shot. I believed that if you got an education, and you worked hard, then you had just as much chance of getting ahead as anyone.
After making this programme I’ve come to realise that I was wrong—the world I grew up in has gone, and it’s been replaced with a new set of rules.
The thing is that we were all promised if we played by those rules—and suffered through those first few years of really hard times—then the fruits of the new economy would eventually begin to trickle down, and things would steadily improve for us all.
Three decades on, I wanted to find out if those promises have been kept.
Do you feel like you’ve had a fair share of the economic gains of the last thirty years? Does it feel like the ‘trickle down’ has got all the way down to you yet? Are things getting easier, or are they just getting harder?
This isn’t a documentary about other people’s lives… it’s about your life, and your children’s lives.
Nigel Latta (and possibly yourself) may well believe that 1970’s New Zealand was nirvana. I do not.
The changes of 1984 to 1992 were essential. New Zealand is much better for them. Yes there are more wealthy people, but overall New Zealand is better off. In fact income inequality has reduced in the last little while, and income distribution has been essentially the same for the last 25 years.
If the Left want to campaign for a modernised form of the 1970’s; fine. It would mean top taxes of 60%, govt spending of 40% of GDP, a much more extensive welfare state, and a much more regulated economy.
National is happy to have that contest. It will basically campaign on the economy as it is now. It will be a contest of freedom versus regulation
However, it is clear that Bill English will adjust current settings, but not in a radical way. Some more social spending (using the surpluses), but no increase in taxes, continuing to push for a more open trading economy (FTA’s), and I expect more focus on innovation.
The most noticeable income inequality is the comparison between the top and bottom deciles.
Wealth inequality is more of a problem. Income inequality feeds into it, but wealth inequality is harder to turn back. In NZ, Auckland particularly, there’s a noticeable difference between property owners and renters. Bernard Hickey recently wrote about how renters went backwards during the last 8 years, while property owners watched the value of their properties increase.
In New Zealand, income (and probably wealth) was being shared out more and more evenly from the 1950s up until the 1980s – but for the next two decades we had the developed world’s biggest increase in income inequality.
s the graph (at left) shows, in that time, the average income of someone in the richest 1% has doubled, from just under $200,000 to nearly $400,000 (adjusting for inflation). In contrast, the average disposable income for someone in the poorest 10% is only slightly higher than it was in the 1980s. (More details and the source of this graph can be found in Wealth and New Zealand, published by BWB.) That means many New Zealanders struggle to pay their bills and lead a decent life.
And in Auckland the numbers of people struggling, homeless, etc has noticeably risen in the last 8 years.
Nothing to be complacent about – everything to be concerned about . Needs more than some clever tweaking.
You are correct about wealth inequality (which as you note is different to income inequality). With rapidly increasing property prices wealth inequality has opened up, especially between renters and owners.
There are really the only two ways to change that.
The first is to increase housing supply which will flatten price increases, and may even reduce values a bit. The increase in supply seems to be happening, although it has taken some time to come through.
The second is to make it easier for first home buyers, especially those on lower incomes, to get into their first house. My solution would be a govt guarantee of interest rates for the first five years of the mortgage. For the lowest incomes, a guaranteed interest rate of 3% and for low to middle incomes 5%. The mortgages would still be bank mortgages, with the guarantee effectively being a payment to the bank of the difference between market interest rates ,and the guaranteed rate.
Without addressing the demand side (in fact, if successful your suggestion to assist first home-buyers would add to housing demand) supply would have to vastly increase to slow the rate of property price increases.
As for your suggestion, how do you suppose first home-buyers will attain the initial deposit to allow them to then enter the market and attain these lower interests rates you’re proposing?
Precisely. When house prices are where they’re now lowering interest rates won’t touch the sides. But don’t expect a response from Spray and Walk Away Wayne.
Hi Wayne -I wouldn’t support anything that involves borrowing money for a short term outcome as the same people who created that chasm in the first place will get fed some more of the hard earned money for higher profits.
The only way you can remedy the situation is by planning housing projects that include infrastructure with the aim that you do not require ac car to get your essential provisions, health care and some entertainment.
It also would mean that the planning needs to be done for the next 20-30 years – a feat that needs a corresponding vision – I don’t know any politician or even – god forbid – business person in this country that would qualify. Look at Auckland’s public transport system, already outdated and outgrown- this can only happen when the greedy meet the needy (for another term).
Yes. Needs regulations or taxes to stop land banking.
Possible rent caps as a short term measure – rents are rising faster than incomes and CPI. The Green Party in Ireland is asking for a cap of no rises more than 4% per year, as a short term measure.
Developers are only interested in building on new land, with big houses for the well-off. There’s no profit in smaller houses on already residential land. Lots of greenfields residential development happening in places like Orewa – but they will hardly be affordable.
Building projects aimed at increasing supply, in places like New Lynn, have not produced the amount of houses promised by now.
Need more safe, secure state housing – not with market rents. To pull down the rents & prices of houses.
House price inflation gives a inaccurate measure of the health of our economy. tourism, immigration, house price rises – not productive investments that will ensure a sustainable economy.
Man, top tax rate of 60%, govt spending 40% of GDP, extensive welfare state, more regulated economy sounds amazing. Probably more important to also have higher tax on capital and finance, but still, excellent ideas, and that government spending would certainly get a lot done for the country, a hell of a lot more efficiently than the useless private sector.
Your pitting of this as ‘freedom vs regulation’ is such bollocks. Neoliberal economics just gives freedom to people with high incomes and lots of capital. Low and middle income people are far worse off.
I’m also fairly sure your income distribution claim is bollocks too
And English has had years as finance minister to focus on innovation, yet the country’s R&D spend is the absolute pits. So your expectations will inevitably be dashed on the rocks of National’s incompetence.
1970s New Zealand may not have been a nirvana , but it was a hell of a lot better for most NZers than today.
Of course the rich are a lot better off now and you’re part of that group. So I’d expect a selfish rich person to regard the changes sine the 80s as good.
Factually off the mark comparison Wayne. Tax rates for most people today are higher than then …..
GST – 15% and Tax – 30% plus student loan for many – 12% = 57% for a lot of younger people
and much of the rest it’s 45% which used to be well up the bands. And the excessive charging for compulsory government services. Looked at the cost of getting a drivers license lately??
Only those on high incomes $150k are better off with the low tax rates.
New Zealand may be better off in $$$ ( depends what you measure ) but all the gains over the last 25 years have gone to the small top sector or been sent offshore to multinationals. The 1984 to 1991 reforms turbo charged income inequality and it’s never recovered. Most wages have barely shifted over the last 25 years while costs continue to rise.
As for the government being 40% of gdp spending ? Don’t forget to deduct the attached income (from better power prices for one).
And that would have to be better than sending the same amount of money to prop up dodgy services from greedy companies.
Oh I forgot to mention. Since there is a group like you doing so well they should be delighted to give back with higher tax rates – we could even have a 60%ter lapel badge sent out by the IRD
“The changes of 1984 to 1992 were essential. New Zealand is much better for them. Yes there are more wealthy people, but overall New Zealand is better off.”
Wayne, we were discussing student loans the other day and you pretty much spun the same line. I asked you a few questions…I’m awaiting answers…
“Wayne
How much did you pay to enroll for your first degree?
How much did you have to pay for accommodation and living expenses.
How much did you have to borrow from the government to pay for your university education?
You may just have known someone who trained for a trade while you were studying…law, was it? Anyway…how much did apprentices have to pay to train during the time you were studying?
Funny. don’t you think, that the loudest voices demanding today’s youth mortgage potentially their entire future to pay for their education are the privileged who got their education for free.
I firmly hope there is an especially hot zone in hell for those New Zealanders over fifty years old who do not hang their heads in shame at this betrayal of today’s youth.”
Those “essential changes” Wayne…what negative impacts did they have for you?
“Spray and Walk Away Wayne has left the building.”
Bugger!
Funny how he waxes all authoritative and fiscally on to it then avoids the real questions.
He’d argue he’s being impartial, taking a ‘big sky’ view. Typical of the privileged to ignore the damage done to lesser mortals.
I had an A Bursary plus an out of town accommodation bursary. Student fees were about 10% of the actual cost to the University of delivering the courses, (compared to fees being about 30% of the true costs today). I would note that only 10% of NZer’s went to University at that time.
I had a job the entire summer holiday, plus part-time work during the year (about 20 hours per week).
My possessions were personal plus a motorbike. No travel overseas or even to the South Island. I recall I seemed to be virtually broke most of the time, but I could afford to go to the movies.
At the end of my degree I had no debt, but also owned very little.
However, within one year of graduating we owned a house in Manurewa, on the basis of 10% deposit, some of which was borrowed from my wife’s parents. Because our income was low, we qualified for a 3% loan from what was then State Advances. But later, when buying my next house, interest rates were 15%.
By three or four years work (after returning from doing an LLM in Canada) I had hit the top tax rate of 60% which kicked in at $22,000 income. The top tax rate kicked in on way too low an income! That all changed with the election of the 1984 Labour govt, which in my view transformed the NZ economy in a fundamentally good way.
I personally think the combination of lower personal taxes and student loans makes much more sense than 60% taxes. There are much better incentive signals. We obviously now also have GST, but in large measure GST replaced a proliferation of sales taxes, many of them pretty high depending on the nature of the goods.
We did not have anything like the amount of personal possessions/household chattels which seem typical today..
My first overseas trip was when I went to Canada for postgraduate study.
New Zealand seemed a much poorer country than it is today, and much poorer than Canada. That is no longer true. New Zealand has done quite a bit of catching up in the last two decades, especially the last decade, since we did not have anything like the level of setback during the GFC that North America and Europe suffered.
Have a look at the 2017 Economist Yearbook for the comparative GDP per capita figures. We have passed the UK and France and are close to Germany. Not so long ago we had the same GDP per capita as Italy. They are now miles behind NZ.
So there is no betrayal of today’s youth. The only significant problem to be fixed is housing affordability, which is primarily an Auckland problem.
God, Paul…I’d have to go through it line by line…I consider it a win that he actually answered and showed his true colours…yet again.
Grrrr….
“At the end of my degree I had no debt, but also owned very little.”
Bully for bloody you, Wayne.
What kind of a country encourages it’s children to pursue a tertiary education AND to borrow in order to pay for it?
THEN, THEN change the narrative so that somehow it is the Government, made up of privileged prats who at the end of their degree had no debt, that is doing this generation a favour?
Then, then, increased GST (you vomited that up Wayne) and practically forced the young ones into compulsory Kiwisaver schemes by threatening them with no Superannuation like the privileged prats have.
“New Zealand seemed a much poorer country than it is today, ”
““seemed poorer” is more based on the limited amount of consumer goods available back then.”
You’re probably right…but that was not what I was thinking.
I well remember when those import restrictions were lifted and ‘luxury’ goods could be brought in to satisfy the lust of the new New Zealand upper class….
…and a deluge of crap for the masses to buy to give them the delusion of ‘wealth’.
“Incentive signals” to whom? The already privileged classes and their children?
An see Barry Coates on the way the OECD stats are misleading about NZ’s economy.
Misleading GDP figures, pumped up by property speculation and high immigration, have given the impression that all is well, masking our continued economic decline compared to OECD countries.
In fact, we are near the top of the OECD in hours worked, but near the bottom in terms of productivity. We’re working harder and working longer hours, but not working smarter. The result is that we’re getting more stressed, with less time for families and each other, while losing ground economically.
The latest analysis of labour productivity comes from the Productivity Commission, showing a cluster of related problems that are contributing to our low productivity. Firstly, there is low investment per worker. The Productivity Commission shows low investment in workers skills in 19 out of 24 industries, compared to Australia. With relatively low wage rates and more short term contracts, there is low investment in upgrading worker skills and improving technology. This is made worse by our education system failing to provide a decent education to kids in low decile schools and under-investing in vocational education and training opportunities.
Secondly, the Productivity Commission report shows that, instead of investing in productive enterprise, investment is going into tax-free speculation, such as residential housing. New Zealand’s diversion of capital into residential housing is far above the OECD average.
NOAA Issues ‘Jaw-Dropping’ Assessment on ‘Unprecedented’ Arctic Warming
If President-elect Donald Trump’s appointments of a “band of climate conspiracy theorists” weren’t already stoking fears for the ever-warming planet, the latest Arctic Report Card from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) may well provide the ignition.
The annual assessment, released Wednesday, finds that “persistent warming” is driving “extensive changes” to the region. In fact, the average air temperatures were “unprecendented”—the highest on observational record—and “Arctic temperatures continue to increase at double the rate of the global temperature increase,” NOAA states.
“Rarely have we seen the Arctic show a clearer, stronger, or more pronounced signal of persistent warming and its cascading effects on the environment than this year,” said Jeremy Mathis, director of NOAA’s Arctic Research Program. “While the science is becoming clearer, we need to improve and extend sustained observations of the Arctic that can inform sound decisions on environmental health and food security as well as emerging opportunities for commerce,” he added.
I am new to the mike so forgive me if I am re-visiting a subject that has been flogged to death but everytime I hear David Shearer speak as I did this morning talking to Kim Hill it re-ignites my anger with the Labour Party’s heirarchy that saw fit to dump him from his leadership role ….what a PM this guy would have made if given half a chance .A prime example of the short sighted and poll driven decision making so reminiscent of our recently departed PM . I thought the NZ Labour Party was better than that and my faith in them was rattled to the core over the issue and has still not returned sufficiently to award them my vote
Clive Blake
I am new to the mike so forgive me if I am re-visiting a subject that has been flogged to death but everytime I hear David Shearer speak as I did this morning talking to Kim Hill it re-ignites my anger with the Labour Party’s heirarchy that saw fit to dump him from his leadership role ….what a PM this guy would have made if given half a chance .
He wasn’t dumped – he resigned and he did so because he was failing badly as leader of Labour. Amazingly enough, IMO, Labour Party members don’t expect their leader to be a National Lite beneficiary basher.
Or you could just accept – like he seems to have – that whilst he is/might be a really nice guy – compassionate and wanting to put his humanitarian skills to good use, that he wasn’t really cut out for politics in today’s environment.
Let’s just give him whatever support we’re able in his new endeavours, but not try and reinvent history and paint him as something he wasn’t.
At that time and place, he was shit. Which is not to say, given a different, less toxic time and place – he might have been brilliant.
Who knows Clive, there might be a time in future when he’ll return (hopefully a little more charitable towards beneficiaries painting a roof)
That was an honest interview – if he’d told the spin doctors to take a hike from the start, he might have done better. What I detected (even if he didn’t actually say it) was that he lacked the self-confidence – or perhaps arrogance to pull it off. He was probably too ‘nice’. Instead of Fran Mould, he probably could have done with a Paul fucking Henry – or even that curmudgeon Edwards
I imagine during his experiences with the U.N. in the past, he caught a little bit of the “You don’t know how lucky we are”
I think he’s living in Rongotai or close to the border, so it would make sense.
However, it’s not that safe a seat as I could envisage a strong Green campaign in the seat.
In the article linked from Bomber’s post, KDC said that the Moment of Truth revealed something that should have lost key the 2014 election, if the MSM had written about the MoM accurately.
I watched the MoM, and saw no shocking revelations about Key. It was a fizzer in that respect,
Snowden did reveal that the NSA had a presence in NZ. That was the biggest revelation.
I also think KDC over-states the bias of NZ MSM. There are some good investigative pieces coming from the likes of David Fisher, Matt Nippert and John Campbell.
The extent of access the five eyes network had to NZers data, was laid out in the Moment of Truth.
This information showed the completeness of the lie Key told when discussing the new legislation. However, for most, the focus was on Kim Dotcom, and that point seemed to be ignored and forgotten.
There were two aspects to the Moment of Truth. The fizzer was in relation to KDC’s hype prior to the MoT, saying he was going to produce evidence Key lied about KDC’s arrest. This is what I meant when I said KDC’s MoT was a fizzer. KDC is responsible for over-shadowing the Greenwald-Snowden revelations, because he put himself at the centre of the MoT and made it all about him.
The stuff told by Greenwald and Snowden was riveting – and the right wing journos in NZ tended to dismiss that. Not all the MSM believed Key though, and some thought there was enough evidence to damn Key.
Andrea Vance reckoned the MoT did produce enough substance re-surveillance, and wasn’t interested in the KDC kerfuffle.
Snowden says New Zealand had access to X-KEYSCORE, the data harvesting programme at the centre of the global spying scandal which his whistle-blowing sparked last year.
Not only that, but the Government Communications Security Bureau contributed to its development and expansion.
Snowden also says the NSA operates a facility in Auckland. None of Snowden’s previous disclosures about the US, Canada, Australia and Britain have been disputed.
His assertions came after journalist Glenn Greenwald published details of Project Speargun – GCSB’s masterplan for mass surveillance. He backed up his reporting with NSA documents showing the operation was underway, and US and New Zealand spies were waiting for domestic legislation to complete the project.
In his captivating broadcast, Snowden raised two extremely important questions.
Firstly, why did Key not make details of Project Spearhead public during the public debate about the new spying laws?
That trashes Key’s claims about enhanced transparency on intelligence and security issues. evidence to support Snowden’s claim.
Dotcom set out to prove the Prime Minister a liar over moves to extradite the MegaUpload founder to the US.
But there were no killer punches landed on John Key. Neither was any conclusive evidence revealed proving Key knew about Dotcom well in advance of the Coatesville raid. Even the email that was flicked to the Herald as positive proof that Key was involved in a Hollywood plot to spirit Dotcom to the US, was quickly dismissed by Warners as a fake.
The mass surveillance issue was always a red herring, Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden presented no concrete evidence of privacy breaches, Julian Assange was a sideshow. Snowden’s revelation that the NSA had an operation in Auckland has to be followed up.
But Dotcom set out to demolish the Prime Minister’s credibility. He has spectacularly failed.
The hype around KDC was of Dotcom’s own making. He hyped up the MoT before hand, saying he would produce evidence to prove the plot against him by Key and Hollywood re-his arrest in NZ. He had been talking up for a long while that that at the MoT he would produce evidence that JK had lied about KDC and his arrest.
Just before the MoT he produced an email, and seemed to promise more in the MoT. But at the last minute he seemed to pull the plug on saying anything in the MoT. Then Warners’ claimed the email was fake.
That is why I am skeptical about KDC’s claims about a hack of the NZ government. He likes to grandstand. If it is a big secret to be revealed next year, why is KDC leaking about it?
Looking forward to it, NZ needs more transparency, much respect to those whom are pro-active towards it. Makes one reflect on an OM post a few months back
Re MOT.. Thoroughly enjoyed the moment of truth and build up, Amsterdam, Greenwald, Ed and Julian, wide awake sharers of information, intelligent and proactive, RESPECT.
NZ public found it all a bit hard to swallow however, perplexed with the media spin on it, so desperate were the mainstream to have click bait on DotCom that they missed the whole point, or maybe they simply suppressed valuable information, justifying their actions by saying the public are just not that interested. Least that’s how I saw it played out in 2014.
It wasn’t just the media spin, it was KDC’s own self-centred hype about his own case that muddied the waters.
I seem to recall it was Greenwald that told him to pull the plug on making the climax about the MoT about KDC’s own case. He thought it would over-shadow the important stuff from the Snowden papers. But, by then, KDC had already done the damage.
“We believe in giving people a voice and that we cannot become arbiters of truth ourselves, so we’re approaching this problem carefully,” Facebook’s News Feed VP Adam Mosseri wrote. “We’ve focused our efforts on the worst of the worst, on the clear hoaxes spread by spammers for their own gain, and on engaging both our community and third party organizations.”
Seems reasonable and they’re certainly going about it in a careful and considered manner.
The conservatives seem to be concerned that their lies will be found out in near real time.
“A great piece from Wayne Hope…….”
AS ALWAYS.
He (also) has a good handle on the issue of “all those bloody foreigners and international students coming here taking all our jobs”
The Atlantic’s short documentary on the “alt-right” Neo Nazis, includes interview with Richard Spencer, current self-proclaimed front man of the “movement”:
Have a bucket handy, but it’s necessary to know that they exist and how they operate.
That silly haircut is known as a “fashie” by its wearers in the Neo Nazi movement.
” necessary to know that they exist and how they operate”…not really.
“Richard B. Spencer greeted an audience of more than 200 at an alt-right conference in Washington D.C. last month with the cry, “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” He was met with enthusiastic cheers and Nazi salutes”…oooh, 200 people.
Thats the same number that enjoyed the Coláiste Mhuire Johnstown first ever Festive Food & Craft Fair….. followed by a Cookery Demonstration.
The rebranding going on at the moment with the neo fascist right is quite astonishing, or at least the rebranding is interesting, what’s most astonishing has been the media’s propensity to lap it all up.
As for the hairdo, that fashy undercut is everywhere at the moment, I’m sporting a version of it myself and I’m certainly no neo-nazi. An example of the lengths to which the Alt-Right has gone to make themselves the mainstream as they’ve pivoted away from the “crazy” skinhead and Klansmen stereotypes towards a clean-cut well-dressed Hitler Youth look which the fashion world finds irresistible.
A good example of appropriation then, like Pepe the frog. Sometimes they seem ridiculous – some are trying to appropriate 80s digital music “ironically” as “fashwave” while others are split over whether they should boycott Star Wars films because they’re anti-fascist and have women in them, or watch them and root for the Empire/First Order.
Peter Williams evidently finds “Duterte Harry” and
his extradjudicial killings to be highly amusing
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In a chirpy and amused tone, veteran autocue reader Peter Williams reads out the following teaser for tonight’s News:
“The new Philippines president personally confirms that he PERSONALLY KILLED three people in his war on drugs!”
Peter Williams, like his vacant-eyed colleagues, has never impressed me as someone who either knows much or thinks much about international politics. But he does know enough to realise that President Duterte of the Philippines is an official ally, and therefore even something as depraved as his killing of unarmed captives can be recounted in a chirpy and amused tone.
It’s not hard to imagine the lugubrious countenance Williams would strike, and the tone of grim admonition he would adopt if ever an official enemy, rather than an “ally” like Duterte, boasted of killing unarmed captives.
There have been many killings lately, the officer jokes, that these days you can easily get away with any kind of murder: “You can kill him, put masking tape on him and everybody is going to think that guy is a drug pusher.”
My little ideas for the big Cabinet announcement tomorrow:
1. Prime Minister Bill English: SIS, Tourism
2. Paula Bennett: Housing, Auckland Issues, Associate Finance
3. Stephen Joyce: Finance
4. Simon Bridges: Economic Development, and Transport
5. Nikki Kaye: Social Development, Education
6. Todd McClay: Trade, Foreign Affairs
7. Michael Woodhouse: Health
8. Chris Finlayson: Attorney-General, Treaty Negotations, and Arts+Culture
9. Judith Collins: Defence, Police
10. Dr Jian Yang: Minister of Tertiary Education, Associate Minister Foreign Affairs
11. Andrew Bayly: Ministry for Primary Industries (Forestry, Fisheries, Agriculture)
12. Gerry Brownlee: Chief Whip, Earthquake Recovery
13. Joanthan Coleman: Justice
14. Scott Simpson: Revenue
15. Alfred Ngaro: Corrections, Pacific island Affairs
16. Nick Smith: Conservation, Environment
17. Jamie-Lee Ross: Local Government
interesting Ad, is Nikki well enough to handle two big portfolio’s ? Please not Nick in environment/conservation. And Coleman doing Justice instead of Health, fascinating.
You reckon Tolley is a goner? Wonder whom will announce resignation for family reasons tomorrow, haven’t had any quitters for two whole days now lololz.
Do you know what time the announcement is tomorrow please? I’m curious as to the outgoing PM’s picks for the outgoing government.
Radio NZ are coving it from 3, with commentary thereafter.
I think Kaye is well on the mend, but if she wants to beg off, fine; I was thinking like a PM trying to keep the social investment framework integrated and accelerating. Those were the two portfolios to do it.
My dream is to sit down for an hour with the pair of them and have a free and honest discussion about why they didn’t sort the Family Carers issue before it went to the Tribunal in 2008.
They had all the facts and research at their fingertips, and chose to throw us to the National wolves.
Thanks, ladies. Your angry ranting in the House on the 17th May 2013 was nothing but crocodile tears.
Labour took exactly the same stance towards the carers sleepover case that started around the same time. They could’ve fixed it there and then but Labour let the unions and the providers scrap it out for years before the workers got what ended up being a pretty watered down form of justice.
Dyson tried to claim quite a bit of the glory from a number small wins in the disability sector that she in fact had fuck all to do with. She’s definitely another who needs to sling their hook.
Hah! What had me yelling at the radio during the sleepover case was that the very simplest of solutions would have been to do what ACC was doing at the time….a tax free allowance of about $80 -90 per night for non active sleepovers…instead of the pathetic $30 odd that IHC was paying under Miserly of Health. I understand that there is an hourly rate for both now.
Labour could’ve fixed it by renegotiating the contracts based on the true cost of wages. Instead they washed their hands saying it was an “employment” problem. Then when the workers were successful at the Employment Court Labour MPs started cheering “we won!” The whole thing was sickening to watch, including IHC as well, how as an employer they then took on the workers when they themselves argue for proper wages for care workers. It was a perfect opportunity for IHC to join with the workers to lobby government over the inadequate contracts. IHC’s position on that issue showed their true colours, consistent with how they’re colluding with the government to end state involvement in housing. IHC is evil to the core.
This is a post about the Mountain Tui substack, and small tweaks - further to the poll and request post the other day. Please don’t read if you aren’t interested in my personal matters. Thank you all.After oohing-and-aahing about how to structure the Substack model since November, including obtaining ...
This transcript of a recent conversation between the Prime Minister and his chief economic adviser has not been verified.We’ve announced we are the ‘Yes Government’. Do you like it?Yes, Prime Minister.Dreamed up by the PR team. It’s about being committed to growth. Not that the PR team know anything about ...
The other day, Australian Senator Nick McKim issued a warning in the Australian Parliement about the US’s descent into fascim.And of course it’s true, but I lament - that was true as soon as Trump won.What we see is now simply the reification of the intention, planning, and forces behind ...
Among the many other problems associated with Musk/DOGE sending a fleet of teenage and twenty-something cultists to remove, copy and appropriate federal records like social security, medicaid and other supposedly protected data is the fact that the youngsters doing the data-removal, copying and security protocol and filter code over-writing have ...
Jokerman dance to the nightingale tuneBird fly high by the light of the moonOh, oh, oh, JokermanSong by Bob Dylan.Morena folks, I hope this fine morning of the 7th of February finds you well. We're still close to Paihia, just a short drive out of town. Below is the view ...
It’s been an eventful week as always, so here’s a few things that we have found interesting. We also hope everyone had a happy and relaxing Waitangi Day! This week in Greater Auckland We’re still running on summer time, but provided two chewy posts: On Tuesday, a guest ...
Queuing on Queen St: the Government is set to announce another apparently splashy growth policy on Sunday of offering residence visas to wealthy migrants. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāLong stories short, the top six things in our political economy around housing, climate and poverty on Friday, February 7:PM Christopher ...
The fact that Waitangi ended up being such a low-key affair may mark it out as one of the most significant Waitangi Days in recent years. A group of women draped in “Toitu Te Tiriti” banners who turned their backs on the politicians’ powhiri was about as rough as it ...
Hi,This week’s Flightless Bird episode was about “fake seizure guy” — a Melbourne man who fakes seizures in order to get members of the public to sit on him.The audio documentary (which I have included in this newsletter in case you don’t listen to Flightless Bird) built on reporting first ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Karin Kirk The 119th Congress comes with a price tag. The oil and gas industry gave about $24 million in campaign contributions to the members of the U.S. House and Senate expected to be sworn in January 3, 2025, according to a ...
Early morning, the shadows still long, but you can already feel the warmth building. Our motel was across the road from the historic homestead where Henry Williams' family lived. The evening before, we wandered around the gardens, reading the plaques and enjoying the close proximity to the history of the ...
Thanks folks for your feedback, votes and comments this week. I’ll be making the changes soon. Appreciate all your emails, comments and subscriptions too. I know your time is valuable - muchas gracias.A lot is happening both here and around the world - so I want to provide a snippets ...
Data released today by Statistics NZ shows that unemployment rose to 5.1%, with 33,000 more people out of work than last year said NZCTU Te Kauae Kaimahi Economist Craig Renney. “The latest data shows that employment fell in Aotearoa at its fastest rate since the GFC. Unemployment rose in 8 ...
The December labour market statistics have been released, showing yet another increase in unemployment. There are now 156,000 unemployed - 34,000 more than when National took office. And having thrown all these people out of work, National is doubling down on cruelty. Because being vicious will somehow magically create the ...
Boarded up homes in Kilbirnie, where work on a planned development was halted. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāLong stories short, the top six things in our political economy around housing, climate and poverty on Wednesday, February 5 are;Housing Minister Chris Bishop yesterday announcedKāinga Ora would be stripped of ...
This week Kiwirail and Auckland Transport were celebrating the completion of the summer rail works that had the network shut or for over a month and the start of electric trains to Pukekohe. First up, here’s parts of the press release about the shutdown works. Passengers boarding trains in Auckland ...
Through its austerity measures, the coalition government has engineered a rise in unemployment in order to reduce inflation while – simultaneously – cracking down harder and harder on the people thrown out of work by its own policies. To that end, Social Development Minister Louise Upston this week added two ...
This year, we've seen a radical, white supremacist government ignoring its Tiriti obligations, refusing to consult with Māori, and even trying to legislatively abrogate te Tiriti o Waitangi. When it was criticised by the Waitangi Tribunal, the government sabotaged that body, replacing its legal and historical experts with corporate shills, ...
Poor old democracy, it really is in a sorry state. It would be easy to put all the blame on the vandals and tyrants presently trashing the White House, but this has been years in the making. It begins with Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and the spirit of Gordon ...
The new school lunches came in this week, and they were absolutely scrumptious.I had some, and even though Connor said his tasted like “stodge” and gave him a sore tummy, I myself loved it!Look at the photos - I knew Mr Seymour wouldn’t lie when he told us last year:"It ...
The tighter sanctions are modelled on ones used in Britain, which did push people off ‘the dole’, but didn’t increase the number of workers, and which evidence has repeatedly shown don’t work. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāLong stories short, the top six things in our political economy around housing, ...
Catching you up on the morning’s global news and a quick look at the parallels -GLOBALTariffs are backSharemarkets in the US, UK and Europe have “plunged” in response to Trump’s tariffs. And while Mexico has won a one month reprieve, Canada and China will see their respective 25% and 10% ...
This post by Nicolas Reid was originally published on Linked in. It is republished here with permission. Gondolas are often in the news, with manufacturers of ropeway systems proposing them as a modern option for mass transit systems in New Zealand. However, like every next big thing in transport, it’s hard ...
This is a re-post from The Climate BrinkBoth 2023 and 2024 were exceptionally warm years, at just below and above 1.5C relative to preindustrial in the WMO composite of surface temperature records, respectively. While we are still working to assess the full set of drivers of this warmth, it is clear that ...
Hi,I woke up feeling nervous this morning, realising that this weekend Flightless Bird is going to do it’s first ever live show. We’re heading to a sold out (!) show in Seattle to test the format out in front of an audience. If it works, we’ll do more. I want ...
From the United-For-Now States of America comes the thrilling news that a New Zealander may be at the very heart of the current coup. Punching above our weight on the world stage once more! Wait, you may be asking, what New Zealander? I speak of Peter Thiel, made street legal ...
Even Stevens: Over the 33 years between 1990 and 2023 (and allowing for the aberrant 2020 result) the average level of support enjoyed by the Left and Right blocs, at roughly 44.5 percent each, turns out to be, as near as dammit, identical.WORLDWIDE, THE PARTIES of the Left are presented ...
Back in 2023, a "prominent political figure" went on trial for historic sex offences. But we weren't allowed to know who they were or what political party they were "prominent" in, because it might affect the way we voted. At the time, I said that this was untenable; it was ...
I'm going, I'm goingWhere the water tastes like wineI'm going where the water tastes like wineWe can jump in the waterStay drunk all the timeI'm gonna leave this city, got to get awayI'm gonna leave this city, got to get awayAll this fussing and fighting, man, you know I sure ...
Waitangi Day is a time to honour Te Tiriti o Waitangi and stand together for a just and fair Aotearoa. Across the motu, communities are gathering to reflect, kōrero, and take action for a future built on equity and tino rangatiratanga. From dawn ceremonies to whānau-friendly events, there are ...
Subscribe to Mountain Tūī ! Where you too can learn about exciting things from a flying bird! Tweet.Yes - I absolutely suck at marketing. It’s a fact.But first -My question to all readers is:How should I set up the Substack model?It’s been something I’ve been meaning to ask since November ...
Here’s the key news, commentary, reports and debate around Aotearoa’s political economy on politics and in the week to Feb 3:PM Christopher Luxon began 2025’s first day of Parliament last Tuesday by carrying on where left off in 2024, letting National’s junior coalition partner set the political agenda and dragging ...
The PSA have released a survey of 4000 public service workers showing that budget cuts are taking a toll on the wellbeing of public servants and risking the delivery of essential services to New Zealanders. Economists predict that figures released this week will show continued increases in unemployment, potentially reaching ...
The Prime Minister’s speech 10 days or so ago kicked off a flurry of commentary. No one much anywhere near the mainstream (ie excluding Greens supporters) questioned the rhetoric. New Zealand has done woefully poorly on productivity for a long time and we really need better outcomes, and the sorts ...
President Trump on the day he announced tariffs against Mexico, Canada and China, unleashing a shock to supply chains globally that is expected to slow economic growth and increase inflation for most large economies. Photo: Getty ImagesLong stories short, the top six things in our political economy around housing, climate ...
Photo by Towfiqu barbhuiya on UnsplashHere’s what we’re watching in the week to February 9 and beyond in Aotearoa’s political economy around housing, climate and poverty:Monday, February 3Politics: New Zealand Government cabinet meeting usually held early afternoon with post-cabinet news conference possible at 4 pm, although they have not been ...
Trump being Trump, it won’t come as a shock to find that he regards a strong US currency (bolstered by high tariffs on everything made by foreigners) as a sign of America’s virility, and its ability to kick sand in the face of the world. Reality is a tad more ...
A listing of 24 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, January 26, 2025 thru Sat, February 1, 2025. This week's roundup is again published soleley by category. We are still interested in feedback to hone the categorization, so if ...
What seems to be the common theme in the US, NZ, Argentina and places like Italy under their respective rightwing governments is what I think of as “the politics of cruelty.” Hate-mongering, callous indifference in social policy-making, corporate toadying, political bullying, intimidation and punching down on the most vulnerable with ...
If you are confused, check with the sunCarry a compass to help you alongYour feet are going to be on the groundYour head is there to move you aroundSo, stand in the place where you liveSongwriters: Bill Berry / Michael Mills / Michael Stipe / Peter Buck.Hot in the CityYesterday, ...
Shane Jones announced today he would be contracting out his thinking to a smarter younger person.Reclining on his chaise longue with a mouth full of oysters and Kina he told reporters:Clearly I have become a has-been, a palimpsest, an epigone, a bloviating fossil. I find myself saying such things as: ...
Warning: This post contains references to sexual assaultOn Saturday, I spent far too long editing a video on Tim Jago, the ACT Party President and criminal, who has given up his fight for name suppression after 2 years. He voluntarily gave up just in time for what will be a ...
Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by Sue Bin Park from the Gigafact team in collaboration with members from our team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Is global warming ...
Our low-investment, low-wage, migration-led and housing-market-driven political economy has delivered poorer productivity growth than the rest of the OECD, and our performance since Covid has been particularly poor. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāLong stories short, the top six things in our political economy around housing, climate and poverty this ...
..Thanks for reading Frankly Speaking ! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.As far as major government announcements go, a Three Ministers Event is Big. It can signify a major policy development or something has gone Very Well, or an absolute Clusterf**k. When Three Ministers assemble ...
One of those blasts from the past. Peter Dunne – originally neoliberal Labour, then leader of various parties that sought to work with both big parties (generally National) – has taken to calling ...
Completed reads for January: I Am Legend, by Richard Matheson The Black Spider, by Jeremias Gotthelf The Spider and the Fly (poem), by Mary Howitt A Noiseless Patient Spider (poem), by Walt Whitman August Heat, by W.F. Harvey Charlotte’s Web, by E.B. White The Shrinking Man, by Richard Matheson ...
Do its Property Right Provisions Make Sense?Last week I pointed out that it is uninformed to argue that the New Zealand’s apparently poor economic performance can be traced only to poor regulations. Even were there evidence they had some impact, there are other factors. Of course, we should seek to ...
Richard Wagstaff It was incredibly jarring to hear the hubris from the Prime Minister during his recent state of the nation address. I had just spent close to a week working though the stories and thoughts shared with us by nearly 2000 working people as part of our annual Mood ...
Odd fact about the Broadcasting Standards Authority: for the last few years, they’ve only been upholding about 5% of complaints. Why? I think there’s a range of reasons. Generally responsible broadcasters. Dumb complaints. Complaints brought under the wrong standard. Greater adherence to broadcasters’ rights to freedom of expression in the ...
And I said, "Mama, mama, mama, why am I so alone"'Cause I can't go outside, I'm scared I might not make it homeWell I'm alive, I'm alive, but I'm sinking inIf there's anyone at home at your place, darlingWhy don't you invite me in?Don't try to feed me'Cause I've been ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ star is on the rise, having just added the Energy, Local Government and Revenue portfolios to his responsibilities - but there is nothing ambitious about the Government’s new climate targets. Photo: SuppliedLong stories short, the top six things in our political economy around housing, climate ...
It may have been a short week but there’s been no shortage of things that caught our attention. Here is some of the most interesting. This week in Greater Auckland On Tuesday Matt took a look at public transport ridership in 2024 On Thursday Connor asked some questions ...
The East Is Red: Journalists and commentators are referring to the sudden and disruptive arrival of DeepSeek as a second “Sputnik moment”. (Sputnik being the name given by the godless communists of the Soviet Union to the world’s first artificial satellite which, to the consternation and dismay of the Americans, ...
Hi,Back on inauguration day we launched a ridiculous RFK Jr. “brain worms” tee on the Webworm store, and I told you I’d be throwing my profits over to Mutual Aid LA and Rainbow Youth New Zealand. Just to show I am not full of shit, here are the receipts. I ...
The podcast above of the weekly ‘Hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers on Thursday night features co-hosts & talking about the week’s news with regular and special guests, including: on the week in geopolitics, including the latest from Donald Trump over Gaza and Ukraine.Health expert and author David Galler ...
In an uncompromising paper Treasury has basically told the Government that its plan for a third medical school at Waikato University is a waste of money. Furthermore, the country cannot afford it. That advice was released this week by the Treasury under the Official Information Act. And it comes as ...
Back in November, He Pou a Rangi provided the government with formal advice on the domestic contribution to our next Paris target. Not what the target should be, but what we could realistically achieve, by domestic action alone, without resorting to offshore mitigation. Their answer was startling: depending on exactly ...
Photo by Mauricio Fanfa on UnsplashKia oraCome and join us for our weekly ‘Hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm today.Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream for our chat about the week’s news with myself , plus regular guest David Patman and ...
I don't like to spend all my time complaining about our government, so let me complain about the media first.Senior journalistic Herald person Thomas Coughlan reported that Treasury replied yeah nah, wrong bro to Luxon's claim that our benighted little country has been in recession for three years.His excitement rose ...
Back in 2022, when the government was consulting internally about proactive release of cabinet papers, the SIS opposed it. The basis of their opposition was the "mosaic effect" - people being able to piece together individual pieces of innocuous public information in a way which supposedly harms "national security" (effectively: ...
With The Stroke Of A Pen:Populism, especially right-wing populism, invests all the power of an electoral/parliamentary majority in a single political leader because it no longer trusts the bona fides of the sprawling political class among whom power is traditionally dispersed. Populism eschews traditional politics, because, among populists, traditional politics ...
I’ve spent the last week writing a fairly substantial review of a recent book (“Australia’s Pandemic Exceptionalism: How we crushed the curve but lost the race”) by a couple of Australian academic economists on Australia’s pandemic policies and experiences. For all its limitations, there isn’t anything similar in New Zealand. ...
Mr Mojo Rising: Economic growth is possible, Christopher Luxon reassures us, but only under a government that is willing to get out of the way and let those with drive and ambition get on with it.ABOUT TWELVE KILOMETRES from the farm on the North Otago coast where I grew up stands ...
You're nearly a good laughAlmost a jokerWith your head down in the pig binSaying, 'Keep on digging.'Pig stain on your fat chinWhat do you hope to findDown in the pig mine?You're nearly a laughYou're nearly a laughBut you're really a crySongwriter: Roger Waters.NZ First - Kiwi Battlers.Say what you like ...
This is a re-post from the Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler Climate denial is dead. Renewable energy denial is here. As “alternative facts” become the norm, it’s worth looking at what actual facts tell us about how renewable energy sources like solar and wind are lowering the price of electricity. As ...
SIR GEOFFREY PALMER is worried about democracy. In his Newsroom website post of 27 January 2025 he asserts that “the future of democracy across the world now seems to be in question.” Following a year of important electoral contests across the world, culminating in Donald Trump’s emphatic recapture of the ...
The Government hasn’t stopped talking about growth since the Prime Minister made his “yes” speech at the Auckland Chamber of Commerce last week. But so far, the measures announced would seem hardly likely to suddenly pitch New Zealand into the fast-growth East Asian league. The digital nomad announcement hardly deserved ...
Our originating document, theTreaty of Waitangi, was signed on February 6, 1840. An agreement between Māori and the British Crown. Initially inked by Ngā Puhi in Waitangi, further signatures were added as it travelled south. The intention was to establish a colony with the cession of sovereignty to the Crown, ...
Te Whatu Ora Chief Executive Margie Apa leaving her job four months early is another symptom of this government’s failure to deliver healthcare for New Zealanders. ...
The Green Party is calling for the Prime Minister to show leadership and be unequivocal about Aotearoa New Zealand’s opposition to a proposal by the US President to remove Palestinians from Gaza. ...
The latest unemployment figures reveal that job losses are hitting Māori and Pacific people especially hard, with Māori unemployment reaching a staggering 9.7% for the December 2024 quarter and Pasifika unemployment reaching 10.5%. ...
Waitangi 2025: Waitangi Day must be community and not politically driven - Shane Jones Our originating document, theTreaty of Waitangi, was signed on February 6, 1840. An agreement between Māori and the British Crown. Initially inked by Ngā Puhi in Waitangi, further signatures were added as it travelled south. ...
Despite being confronted every day with people in genuine need being stopped from accessing emergency housing – National still won’t commit to building more public houses. ...
The Green Party says the Government is giving up on growing the country’s public housing stock, despite overwhelming evidence that we need more affordable houses to solve the housing crisis. ...
Before any thoughts of the New Year and what lies ahead could even be contemplated, New Zealand reeled with the tragedy of Senior Sergeant Lyn Fleming losing her life. For over 38 years she had faithfully served as a front-line Police officer. Working alongside her was Senior Sergeant Adam Ramsay ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson will return to politics at Waitangi on Monday the 3rd of February where she will hold a stand up with fellow co-leader Chlöe Swarbrick. ...
Te Pāti Māori is appalled by the government's blatant mishandling of the school lunch programme. David Seymour’s ‘cost-saving’ measures have left tamariki across Aotearoa with unidentifiable meals, causing distress and outrage among parents and communities alike. “What’s the difference between providing inedible food, and providing no food at all?” Said ...
The Government is doubling down on outdated and volatile fossil fuels, showing how shortsighted and destructive their policies are for working New Zealanders. ...
Green Party MP Steve Abel this morning joined Coromandel locals in Waihi to condemn new mining plans announced by Shane Jones in the pit of the town’s Australian-owned Gold mine. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to strengthen its just-announced 2030-2035 Nationally Determined Contribution (NDC) under the Paris Agreement and address its woeful lack of commitment to climate security. ...
Today marks a historic moment for Taranaki iwi with the passing of the Te Pire Whakatupua mō Te Kāhui Tupua/Taranaki Maunga Collective Redress Bill in Parliament. "Today, we stand together as descendants of Taranaki, and our tūpuna, Taranaki Maunga, is now formally acknowledged by the law as a living tūpuna. ...
Labour is relieved to see Children’s Minister Karen Chhour has woken up to reality and reversed her government’s terrible decisions to cut funding from frontline service providers – temporarily. ...
It is the first week of David Seymour’s school lunch programme and already social media reports are circulating of revolting meals, late deliveries, and mislabelled packaging. ...
The Green Party says that with no-cause evictions returning from today, the move to allow landlords to end tenancies without reason plunges renters, and particularly families who rent, into insecurity and stress. ...
The Government’s move to increase speed limits substantially on dozens of stretches of rural and often undivided highways will result in more serious harm. ...
In her first announcement as Economic Growth Minister, Nicola Willis chose to loosen restrictions for digital nomads from other countries, rather than focus on everyday Kiwis. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to stand firm and work with allies to progress climate action as Donald Trump signals his intent to pull out of the Paris Climate Accords once again. ...
The Government’s commitment to get New Zealand’s roads back on track is delivering strong results, with around 98 per cent of potholes on state highways repaired within 24 hours of identification every month since targets were introduced, Transport Minister Chris Bishop says. “Increasing productivity to help rebuild our economy is ...
The former Cadbury factory will be the site of the Inpatient Building for the new Dunedin Hospital and Health Minister Simeon Brown says actions have been taken to get the cost overruns under control. “Today I am giving the people of Dunedin certainty that we will build the new Dunedin ...
From today, Plunket in Whāngarei will be offering childhood immunisations – the first of up to 27 sites nationwide, Health Minister Simeon Brown says. The investment of $1 million into the pilot, announced in October 2024, was made possible due to the Government’s record $16.68 billion investment in health. It ...
New Zealand’s strong commitment to the rights of disabled people has continued with the response to an important United Nations report, Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston has announced. Of the 63 concluding observations of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (UNCRPD), 47 will be progressed ...
Resources Minister Shane Jones has launched New Zealand’s national Minerals Strategy and Critical Minerals List, documents that lay a strategic and enduring path for the mineral sector, with the aim of doubling exports to $3 billion by 2035. Mr Jones released the documents, which present the Coalition Government’s transformative vision ...
Firstly I want to thank OceanaGold for hosting our event today. Your operation at Waihi is impressive. I want to acknowledge local MP Scott Simpson, local government dignitaries, community stakeholders and all of you who have gathered here today. It’s a privilege to welcome you to the launch of the ...
Racing Minister, Winston Peters has announced the Government is preparing public consultation on GST policy proposals which would make the New Zealand racing industry more competitive. “The racing industry makes an important economic contribution. New Zealand thoroughbreds are in demand overseas as racehorses and for breeding. The domestic thoroughbred industry ...
Business confidence remains very high and shows the economy is on track to improve, Economic Growth Minister Nicola Willis says. “The latest ANZ Business Outlook survey, released yesterday, shows business confidence and expected own activity are ‘still both very high’.” The survey reports business confidence fell eight points to +54 ...
Enabling works have begun this week on an expanded radiology unit at Hawke’s Bay Fallen Soldiers’ Memorial Hospital which will double CT scanning capacity in Hawke’s Bay to ensure more locals can benefit from access to timely, quality healthcare, Health Minister Simeon Brown says. This investment of $29.3m in the ...
The Government has today announced New Zealand’s second international climate target under the Paris Agreement, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand will reduce emissions by 51 to 55 per cent compared to 2005 levels, by 2035. “We have worked hard to set a target that is both ambitious ...
Nine years of negotiations between the Crown and iwi of Taranaki have concluded following Te Pire Whakatupua mō Te Kāhui Tupua/the Taranaki Maunga Collective Redress Bill passing its third reading in Parliament today, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “This Bill addresses the historical grievances endured by the eight iwi ...
As schools start back for 2025, there will be a relentless focus on teaching the basics brilliantly so all Kiwi kids grow up with the knowledge, skills and competencies needed to grow the New Zealand of the future, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “A world-leading education system is a key ...
Housing Minister Chris Bishop and Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson have welcomed Kāinga Ora’s decision to re-open its tender for carpets to allow wool carpet suppliers to bid. “In 2024 Kāinga Ora issued requests for tender (RFTs) seeking bids from suppliers to carpet their properties,” Mr Bishop says. “As part ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour has today visited Otahuhu College where the new school lunch programme has served up healthy lunches to students in the first days of the school year. “As schools open in 2025, the programme will deliver nutritious meals to around 242,000 students, every school day. On ...
Minister for Children Karen Chhour has intervened in Oranga Tamariki’s review of social service provider contracts to ensure Barnardos can continue to deliver its 0800 What’s Up hotline. “When I found out about the potential impact to this service, I asked Oranga Tamariki for an explanation. Based on the information ...
A bill to make revenue collection on imported and exported goods fairer and more effective had its first reading in Parliament, Customs Minister Casey Costello said today. “The Customs (Levies and Other Matters) Amendment Bill modernises the way in which Customs can recover the costs of services that are needed ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Department of Internal Affairs [the Department] has achieved significant progress in completing applications for New Zealand citizenship. “December 2024 saw the Department complete 5,661 citizenship applications, the most for any month in 2024. This is a 54 per cent increase compared ...
Reversals to Labour’s blanket speed limit reductions begin tonight and will be in place by 1 July, says Minister of Transport Chris Bishop. “The previous government was obsessed with slowing New Zealanders down by imposing illogical and untargeted speed limit reductions on state highways and local roads. “National campaigned on ...
Finance Minister Nicola Willis has announced Budget 2025 – the Growth Budget - will be delivered on Thursday 22 May. “This year’s Budget will drive forward the Government’s plan to grow our economy to improve the incomes of New Zealanders now and in the years ahead. “Budget 2025 will build ...
For the Government, 2025 will bring a relentless focus on unleashing the growth we need to lift incomes, strengthen local businesses and create opportunity. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today laid out the Government’s growth agenda in his Statement to Parliament. “Just over a year ago this Government was elected by ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour welcomes students back to school with a call to raise attendance from last year. “The Government encourages all students to attend school every day because there is a clear connection between being present at school and setting yourself up for a bright future,” says Mr ...
The Government is relaxing visitor visa requirements to allow tourists to work remotely while visiting New Zealand, Economic Growth Minister Nicola Willis, Immigration Minister Erica Stanford and Tourism Minister Louise Upston say. “The change is part of the Government’s plan to unlock New Zealand’s potential by shifting the country onto ...
The opening of Kāinga Ora’s development of 134 homes in Epuni, Lower Hutt will provide much-needed social housing for Hutt families, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “I’ve been a strong advocate for social housing on Kāinga Ora’s Epuni site ever since the old earthquake-prone housing was demolished in 2015. I ...
Trade and Investment Minister Todd McClay will travel to Australia today for meetings with Australian Trade Minister, Senator Don Farrell, and the Australia New Zealand Leadership Forum (ANZLF). Mr McClay recently hosted Minister Farrell in Rotorua for the annual Closer Economic Relations (CER) Trade Ministers’ meeting, where ANZLF presented on ...
A new monthly podiatry clinic has been launched today in Wairoa and will bring a much-needed service closer to home for the Wairoa community, Health Minister Simeon Brown says.“Health New Zealand has been successful in securing a podiatrist until the end of June this year to meet the needs of ...
The Judicial Conduct Commissioner has recommended a Judicial Conduct Panel be established to inquire into and report on the alleged conduct of acting District Court Judge Ema Aitken in an incident last November, Attorney-General Judith Collins said today. “I referred the matter of Judge Aitken’s alleged conduct during an incident ...
Students who need extra help with maths are set to benefit from a targeted acceleration programme that will give them more confidence in the classroom, Education Minister Erica Stanford says. “Last year, significant numbers of students did not meet the foundational literacy and numeracy level required to gain NCEA. To ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has announced three new diplomatic appointments. “Our diplomats play an important role in ensuring New Zealand’s interests are maintained and enhanced across the world,” Mr Peters says. “It is a pleasure to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and ...
Ki te kahore he whakakitenga, ka ngaro te Iwi – without a vision, the people will perish. The Government has achieved its target to reduce the number of households in emergency housing motels by 75 per cent five years early, Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka says. The number of households ...
The opening of Palmerston North’s biggest social housing development will have a significant impact for whānau in need of safe, warm, dry housing, Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka says. The minister visited the development today at North Street where a total of 50 two, three, and four-bedroom homes plus a ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced the new membership of the Public Advisory Committee on Disarmament and Arms Control (PACDAC), who will serve for a three-year term. “The Committee brings together wide-ranging expertise relevant to disarmament. We have made six new appointments to the Committee and reappointed two existing members ...
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Should beneficiaries be given a Christmas bonus (a one off double payment) to help them through Christmas?
It’s a thoughtful idea Chairman, but I’d suggest a grocery voucher (no smokes or booze allowed) and credit on the power bill instead. That would still leave a bit extra in the pocket, full cupboards and power sorted.
Careful, Cinny, that sounds a bit as though you are looking through a deficit lens. These are adults you are discussing, not ‘naughty children’.
JanM
There is a need to keep a clear head when doing something of a helpful nature for people in need. It is NOT unreasonable to take measures to ensure that people use the help in the most effective way to aid themselves and ease their lives, and those of who are dependent on them.
We know that we can all be tempted to do things which are not the best steps we should take, or use opportunities well. Cinny is just being realistic and you are using PC cant and not understanding people’s basic drives at all.
And sometimes, for their health, people need to let their hair down. Such a double payment would, as far as I’m concerned, be for that precise purpose.
Is that not what Muldoon did some years/decades back ?
I would also suggest that it only applied to those simply on the Benefit/super and not to people with secondary pensions.
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. Hi Greywarshark
. You are so patronising and dismissive towards JanM. It is true that not everyone is as wise as you, or as wise as Cinny.
But among the people you are despising by saying what they shall eat and drink, will be many who excel way and above you. Now and in the future.
Observer Tokoroa
I thought that Jan M was patronising actually and now you. You are so much, that you can’t learn anything from someone who knows stuff and who has thought about that stuff.
The trouble with people like yourself is that you are too rigid, first you want people to have the greatest freedom with what you hand out. Then others who truly despise the struggling classes feel free to step in and say how useless the poor are because they didn’t use the help in the way that the rigid expect.
People often get quite despairing and give up trying to follow rules when they are hard up and live from day to day. They may become alcoholic which will soak up every dollar they are given, or spend extra funds at Christmas time on expensive toys that soon get broken, leaving not much left for afterwards.
An example – I believe in Glasgow the drinking men there had priorities for money – food, alcohol, gas or electricity, shoes, then rent. And the greatest of these is alcohol. But in NZ today as well, there will be credit card payments etc.
Don’t be so snotty some of you wet charity givers. When you want to do good, think around the problem just not chant slogans about freedom and the nobility and wisdom of adults. Everyone can fall into temptation of overspending, the housing and credit bubble is affecting the supposedly wealthy.
Why should those at the bottom with few comforts and kind consideration from the government re living wages, decent social hours etc etc – why I ask should they automatically direct their extra money where it needs to be, what about some fun for a change? Many of them would just buy a dozen of beer and fish and chips and have some fun for a change. Which is okay but something has to be held back for the other important things. And both partners in a family would need to show restraint also, something not always seen in domestic violence unhappy valley NZ.
In other words, people who haven’t had spare money for a while need to receive help with thought. Even Lotto winners of millions need help in controlling their spending – in a couple of years people can be back to hard times.
“In other words, people who haven’t had spare money for a while need to receive help with thought. ”
Totally agree.
And it does not undermine the leftie narrative…empowering people to be sensible and very, very careful with what they have. Encouraging people to think ahead is a good thing.
Teaching people budgeting skills is a good thing…and if you want proof of this from a leftie viewpoint…look what our right wing government did to those who need this help during these very, very tight times….
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/305818/budgeting-service-funding-to-be-slashed
It does undermine the ‘leftie narrative’ actually. The whole concept of keeping a poorly paid ‘underclass’ to whom the wealthy can hand out charity as they see fit is a very right wing narrative
“It does undermine the ‘leftie narrative’ actually.”
Which bit?
’empowering people to be sensible and very, very careful with what they have’, or ‘Encouraging people to think ahead is a good thing.’
Or, ‘Teaching people budgeting skills is a good thing.’ ???
Except the state is made up of organisations that are most definitely not using an empowerment model. You know this from your experiences with Health and WINZ. And in the context of that, treating all beneficiaries as people incapable of making the best decisions for themselves, is at the least buying into the RW narrative JanM is talking about.
Trying to teach people budgeting skills when they don’t have enough income to live on is dehumanising, patronising and in the end a mindfuck where the people enforcing the teaching are the same people who made sure those people didn’t have enough to live on in the first place. Under those conditions if some beneficiaries want to blow their mythical Christmas bonus on beer or cigarettes or whatever else gives them some temporary relief, then let them, because the solutions to their problems and in fact society’s problems are not to be found in do-gooder classism.
weka
You contradict yourself, and also manage to support people in need going on a total splurge which would end up with them feeling worse than they started with none of the money left to do something valuable to them.
Under those conditions if some beneficiaries want to blow their mythical Christmas bonus on beer or cigarettes or whatever else gives them some temporary relief, then let them,
Just go and binge is your answer is it? Instead what about a few bottles of beer, fish and chips and a visit to the $3 shop and op-shops and get max benefit. Is that a stupid, mean idea. Trying to ensure that they get a range of value from the one payment is nasty do-gooder classism is it?
Some of you people have no compassion or love for others, just slogans and social service teaching through tertiary training. A model to follow blindly. Also many people just offer charity with a bit of a sneer or have some PC filter that stops them seeing the reality of what the person actually both wants and needs.
You are getting mixed up with dissatisfaction of government policies in general with an example of practical help to particular people at a particular time.
weka
You contradict yourself,
Where’s the contradiction?
and also manage to support people in need going on a total splurge which would end up with them feeling worse than they started with none of the money left to do something valuable to them.
Yes, I believe that beneficiaries have just as much right to self-medicate, make mistakes, fuck up, or make the best of a bad situation as anyone else.
You’re making an assumption that a splurge is always bad for someone. I disagree.
“Under those conditions if some beneficiaries want to blow their mythical Christmas bonus on beer or cigarettes or whatever else gives them some temporary relief, then let them,”
Just go and binge is your answer is it?
No, it’s my compassion. I’m not suggesting we mandate it.
Instead what about a few bottles of beer, fish and chips and a visit to the $3 shop and op-shops and get max benefit. Is that a stupid, mean idea.
How would the state make that happen?
Trying to ensure that they get a range of value from the one payment is nasty do-gooder classism is it?
No, treating all beneficiaries as the same, but separate from other NZers simply because they are reliant in welfare, and then controlling how they spend their money, in the guise of what is best for them, that’s the do-gooder classism.
Some of you people have no compassion or love for others, just slogans and social service teaching through tertiary training. A model to follow blindly.
‘you people’? My PhD is in welfare, and no, I’ve never been to uni, and many of my peers have been beneficiaries. I’m part of the underclass you are discussing.
Also many people just offer charity with a bit of a sneer or have some PC filter that stops them seeing the reality of what the person actually both wants and needs.
How about an opt-in option then. Beneficiaries choose whether they get their Christmas bonus as cash in the bank or a voucher.
You are getting mixed up with dissatisfaction of government policies in general with an example of practical help to particular people at a particular time.
No I’m not. My comments are all in response to the idea that the govt should pay via a conditional voucher rather cash. If you are talking about individuals needing and wanting specialist or targeted help that’s a different thing.
Re teaching people budgeting skills
We should teach all the kids how to handle money/finance via the state education system, from say year five or six (stnd 3 & 4) onwards, building up skills for more complex understandings at high school.
Money is a fundamental part of life at the present, and so many are unable to handle it simply because they have not been given the skills, and it sucks. Just like how they push us out of the hospital with a new born and a lack of knowledge and then they wonder why some are having trouble copping.
I think as adults people can be more sensitive re money, deep down probably just embarrassed because they were not educated about it. But also maybe sensitive because no matter how they try they just can’t get ahead simply because housing cost is so high.
Financial care on the tv news every night, cut the sport segment in half lolz. Maybe that’s a way to teach the adults without financial knowledge, a how to segment sponsored by Kiwibank the bank our government uses (next government best ditch westpac for kiwibank, that move is long long over due) …
In summary of my big sidetracked novel lmao..
Grocery Voucher (possibly tax write off for WINZ), 2 week limit to spend it, automatically loaded on to their Community Services Card, because it is different in appearance from the current ‘green payment card’ checkout operators would be told that shoppers can buy whatever they like as long as it doesn’t require ID, such as booze etc.
Maybe?
There are special skills needed to live on an inadequate income, but the govt should not be the one to teach them (esp as they create the situation in the first place).
Grocery Voucher (possibly tax write off for WINZ), 2 week limit to spend it, automatically loaded on to their Community Services Card, because it is different in appearance from the current ‘green payment card’ checkout operators would be told that shoppers can buy whatever they like as long as it doesn’t require ID, such as booze etc.
Why should other NZs be allowed to spend their Christmas money on alcohol but not beneficiaries? Serious question.
Why the 2 week limit?
“In other words, people who haven’t had spare money for a while need to receive help with thought. ”
Totally agree.
So make help available to those people then, if they want it. No need to treat all beneficiaries the same, or separate them off as a class because they are on welfare.
with a food voucher it’s usually a 3 day limit, 2 weeks is longer, maybe 4 would be better?
The money one would save from not having to buy food one could spend on booze or whatever they like.
Just brainstorming is all. Personally beneficary bashing disgusts me, what Paula did to those ladies now that just pure nasty.
TBH Drunk people gross me out, I’m not a boozer and have trouble understanding why everyone wants to get so wasted at christmas. Grow some herb it’s cheaper and the food becomes superb, no hang over, no aggression, no dramas, just be safe after all it is still illegal (the stupid it hurts it really does)
Anyways i’ve seen many things, but one of the worst is booze in the supermarket, if it wasn’t in the bloody supermarket or available to 18 yr old kids (thanks national for those laws, you dumb fucks – please excuse that outburst). It wouldn’t even be a stumbling block with the supermarket voucher idea.
Time for a change so much is broken.
Why have a time limit at all?
“TBH Drunk people gross me out, I’m not a boozer and have trouble understanding why everyone wants to get so wasted at christmas.”
Yeah, but do you get that the thing that was proposed (voucher bonuses), would stop a beneficiary from having a glass of wine on Christmas day? Why the assumption that they would get totalled?
And why target beneficiaries and not all poor people?
“Yes, I believe that beneficiaries have just as much right to self-medicate, make mistakes, fuck up, or make the best of a bad situation as anyone else.”
Yes, but the outcomes of fuckups are soo much worse for those of us on very limited incomes.
And those who dole out that limited income to us do not care one tiny little bit if we fuck up. No amount of leftie one upmanship will change that.
And if it is not patently obvious that the government is determined to grind us to dust with their ‘welfare reforms’ and ‘social investment policies’ and ‘resilience building’…they care not for those who the system drives to despair or violence towards themselves or others. I can’t understand why more people don’t see this. This is war.
And since they don’t care…then we must. And one aspect of caring is sharing knowledge and experience about how to get through the really, really tough times…how to take another hit and suck it up…how to save the cents so they turn into dollars, how to derive joy and delight from free stuff…and if you get a few dollars extra…put it aside for the rent, the power, the food….because oh…the relief, of just being able to pay that one bill…
“Yes, I believe that beneficiaries have just as much right to self-medicate, make mistakes, fuck up, or make the best of a bad situation as anyone else.”
Yes, but the outcomes of fuckups are soo much worse for those of us on very limited incomes.
That’s true, but we’re not talking about people on very limited incomes, we’re talking about beneficiaries. Or you are suggesting that the govt apply this principle across the board to all people on low incomes?
And if it is not patently obvious that the government is determined to grind us to dust with their ‘welfare reforms’ and ‘social investment policies’ and ‘resilience building’…they care not for those who the system drives to despair or violence towards themselves or others. I can’t understand why more people don’t see this. This is war.
And since they don’t care…then we must. And one aspect of caring is sharing knowledge and experience about how to get through the really, really tough times…how to take another hit and suck it up…how to save the cents so they turn into dollars, how to derive joy and delight from free stuff…and if you get a few dollars extra…put it aside for the rent, the power, the food….because oh…the relief, of just being able to pay that one bill…
Of course (and I’m pretty sure those if us making the political argument against vouchers are well aware of the war). But the argument is centred around what the government should do, not what we can do, were the govt to give beneficiaries a Christmas bonus – give them cash or give them a conditional voucher.
“Why should other NZs be allowed to spend their Christmas money on alcohol but not beneficiaries? Serious question.”
Because we beneficiaries need, really, really need to have our wits about us one hundred per cent of the time.
I’m serious…we are in midst of the fray, enemies are all around us and we must be vigilant. If we fall further…they will say its our fault.
I am not going to risk giving the bastards that pleasure.
(And also…its an awful lot of fun sitting back and watching pissed richer folk making arses of themselves.) 😉 🙂
“Because we beneficiaries need, really, really need to have our wits about us one hundred per cent of the time.”
Fuck, no pressure there then.
I appreciate what you are saying, and if that’s what works for you all power to you. I’m not going to lay that pressure on all beneficiaries though, and the only people responsible for the state of the country in this regard are the successive govts who implemented policies designed to make and keep people poor.
A grocery voucher would also be helpful. But the stipulations they contain is a little condescending. How would you feel if your employer paid you in vouchers, limiting where and how your pay could be spent?
+1. It’s also the idea that beneficiaries shouldn’t spend their bonus on ‘luxuries’.
I know of people with a food grant who have been questioned at the till by the nazi police (over important till operators) why they have kitchen/bathroom cleaners in their trolley and heaven forbid if you want some Vit.C to get you through the winter, also back to the hygiene products us females need on a monthly basis.
Whispering Kate, that really really blows, how horrible for the shopper going through that experience. I’d boycott said supermarket if they were do such things to people. Wankers. With that in mind i can see where you are coming from now.
Even shampoo and deodorant have been questioned. I don’t know where the till workers get their instructions from but its pretty obvious that the vulnerable and poor are not permitted even a smidgeon of a half decent lifestyle, heaven forbid that they may enjoy even a bit of fun on special occasions. We have regressed back to the dark ages in this country and are far from a civil society, it has become de rigueur these days to bash people when they are down, the new “in” thing to do.
To the grinch people……ever thought that an extra week of benefit might end up as Christmas presents for kids whom otherwise mightn’t get any ? FFS !
nailed it North.
Thank you for grasping what I was saying and explaining it better – lots of well-meaning people seem hard-wired to believe that charity is a reasonable alternative to justice. They don’t see the awful power game inherent in it
Pretty interesting to see the response to your original point.
Wasn’t it!
so get the extra week as a grocery voucher/rent/mortgage payment, power credit you know the basics and spend the cash on the kids. More cash for the kids pressies crikey one could even buy some pressies at the supermarket
Just brainstorming not pigeon holing
I would point out that paying wages in that manner is a breach of employment law.
A voucher for a Christmas bonus/gift, on the other hand, is quite common, and perfectly legal.
However, paying an extra $100 at Christmas would be easier than messing around with vouchers, so I’d suggest doing that anyway.
I wasn’t implying wages should be paid in that way, I was merely suggesting they consider how condescending it would feel to be paid and limited in that way.
While a voucher for a Christmas bonus/gift may be quite common, and perfectly legal, the condescending implications can reduce its shine. Not that it wouldn’t be helpful and better than nothing at all.
I worked for a company back in the 1980s that gave out vouchers upon the completion of a major project that had been finished on budget and on time. Most unusual for large scale computer systems
We were told that if they gave us cash it would have to be declared as income and would be taxed. If the gave us vouchers it wouldn’t have to be declared and wasn’t taxable.
I didn’t really see the difference but I assumed they knew what they were talking about.
Is that still the case, at least for employees? Would benefit payments come into the same category?
Good question Alwyn i wonder if a voucher for a beneficiary would fall under the same category.
I don’t know about benefit payments, but as far as wages go, a cash bonus is taxable, where as a voucher, which can not be redeemed for cash, up to the amount of $300 per quarter is not taxable and no need for FBT either.
supplementary benefits and grants are non-taxable income irrespective of the amount, a bonus could be set up like that.
Respect, alwyn. You weren’t an egg this time.
True but that’s how they do it anyways at WINZ for a food grant. Monies is loaded onto a card, 3 days to spend it, must be spent where specified, the local supermarkets and not the local dairy etc.
With the food paid for people could use the extra cash how they pleased
@ Cinny
Yes, they do. And it’s stigmatizing. We’ve all heard the stories (a number of which Whispering Kate highlighted above).
Contrary to the right-wing narrative, due to their low incomes, beneficiaries are generally adept at budgeting and making ends meet. A number of budgeting advisors would tell you it’s inadequate income levels that is the real issue.
Cinny you seem to be the constantly on the ball commenter here. From the rest it is just attack and how dare you apply some controls and rationality to extra payments to beneficiaries at Christmas. Or ignore the matter altogether and carry on about unfair government.
This was the original comment:
JanM 1.1.1
17 December 2016 at 8:51 am
Careful, Cinny, that sounds a bit as though you are looking through a deficit lens. These are adults you are discussing, not ‘naughty children’.
Emotional stuff, critical of any attempt at thought. Any attempt at control of spending is an attack on good, noble people treated unkindly by an evil government. That’s it.
As in most things there is an element of truth. If commenters spent time considering that when they write, there might be really useful things come out of the tons of words that pour onto the site. Unfortunately mostly no. What’s my element of truth here. Probably 70 for 30 against.
interesting that the first thing comes to your mind that a poor person would treat themselves to a pack of fags or a bottle of vino. Perish the thought, and oh my gosh, what will the good church ladies thing?
So you would want to give the Christmas Bonus as a voucher or a credit on the power bill. great, so they use what ever benefit money they get to buy a pack of fags and a bottle of vine and maybe a gift for the kidlings.
you solved what? nothing.
but you got to play the narrative that people on a budget need budgeting help and would not possibly be sensible with their cash.
Which, frankly is a load of bs. Most people on a budget are very very careful how to spend it and how to make it go as far as possible, cause frankly when they reached the end of it its gone.
You also assume that people on low income/benefits don’t need pleasures in life but only the basic necessities to life cause poor. So no fags for mum, no beer for dad and no toys for kids.
What was that, a bonus for Christmas? Ahh, fuck it. Lets just call it a ‘hand out’, and before you get it you must go to a seminar telling you how to be appropriately poor and meek. You know, just so they know how to be great full n shit.
http://morganfoundation.org.nz/the-myth-of-how-families-in-poverty-spend-their-money/?v=8e3eb2c69a18
No. Christmas is a false construct of a rampant commercial/capitalist culture and should be eliminated.
God botherers can do their thing if they like…but they should also give consideration to the teachings of their Christ…what he would have to say about how society demands we all celebrate his birth?
I have no sympathy for foolish people who get sucked in by the Xmas hype…god, as a beneficiary I’d be even further up financial shit creek had I not have made the decision 40 plus years ago not to do Christmas.
While Christmas is a false construct, it’s rather ingrained, thus some can’t easily escape it.
It’s a hard one telling kids we don’t do Christmas while it’s marketed at and around them.
And as it does tend to lead a number further up that financial shit creek, a one off extra payment would really help. Perhaps saving some from resorting to those high interest loan-sharks and mobile truck shops targeting the vulnerable.
“It’s a hard one telling kids we don’t do Christmas while it’s marketed at and around them.”
yep…been there with three kids who went through the Catholic school system.
Very hard, but like other lessons we are obliged as parents to teach, once learned gives a lifetime of reward. Teaches them critical thinking, skepticism, and a strong and abiding resistance to gross advertising.
No, sorry Santa, I mean The Chairman, use those $$$ for some education programs on how to resist retail pressure and debt seduction.
While advocating the benefits of not doing Christmas and advising others against getting sucked in may work for some, it doesn’t help those that can’t help but to be lured in.
Moreover, it’s not like those on a benefit that can withdraw from Christmas can’t do with the extra payment.
Must have been a laff riot at your place…
Geez…are you completely incapable of imagining any other way of life other than your own?
Go tell the 70% of the world’s religious who are not Christian how miserable their lives are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
I was just picturing the McDonald children being lectured on how they can’t have Christmas because it’s a false construct of a rampant commercial/capitalist culture.
Don’t know about your offspring PM, but mine were and still are quite capable of seeing the reason of it.
Change is hard….I know…
What really makes me laugh are those people who quite genuinely say to me…”Oh, you’re so lucky being able to not do Christmas, I wish I could do that!”
You can have a great time without succumbing to either the Christian BS or the crass overt commercialisation that it has turned into.
Love is the Answer Stop Buying Stuff 😀 This guy is for real, artist Matthew Silver, he is a genius, love his work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5f5KEhwMjs&list=RDE5f5KEhwMjs#t=61
I guess in NZ christmas means summer holidays more than anything else, here we don’t buy into the commercial christmas, but the kids have a bit of fun learning new things making presents… go to the beach collect the shells and drift wood, come home make an outside wind chime for the grandparents for Christmas. Everyone is happy not one cent spent.
We love the summer solstice
“We love the summer solstice”
21st December…harvest elephant garlic. 🙂
Wouldn’t that then be the marketers enforcing their views upon you and yours against your will? Should they really have the right to do that?
I don’t that they should.
“No. Christmas is a false construct of a rampant commercial/capitalist culture and should be eliminated”.
Well said Comrade.
We must eliminate Christmas. While we are at it we will destroy Good Friday and Easter Monday as well.
I feel for you – because it seems you are extremely bitter about a lot of things.
Lighten up – It dosnt need to cost much, and can be done without all the god bothering (as you put it).
Just enjoy some summer time with days off (for those of us who work) to spend with family and friends.
Why is it that you think that people who don’t believe in delusional BS are bitter about anything?
“…destroy Good Friday and Easter Monday as well.”
Now you’re talking!
And thanks for the ‘feelings’. Wasted, but the thought was there!
“We must eliminate Christmas. While we are at it we will destroy Good Friday and Easter Monday as well.”
As far as I can see James no one has mentioned eliminating any of these Christian festivals, what they are saying is, we don’t get sucked in by the crass commercial bullshit that goes with it. I cannot see anything bitter about that, in fact, no doubt it is better than feeling bitter in Feb when all the credit card bills arrive.
What is worshipped today is consumerism not Christianity and the new Cathedrals are the shopping malls, playing stupid Christmas songs and carols at this time of year to give the punters a “good” feeling to help to relieve them of their cash or to give the credit card another thrash.
I have never “celebrated” Christmas as such, but it does not stop the family having a good get together with friends at the end of the year. We enjoy ourselves and best of all come Feb we know that we will not receive any large credit bills.
Agree with Rosemary 200%.
Rosemary, Christmas – is actually a counterweight to all the hate and war as it proclaims love and peace to all. This has less to do with commercialism that was invented in the 50’s with a Coka Cola’s Santa Claus.
Christmas – is a word combining “Christ” as in the son of god and “mes” as in mass at church celebrates hope for those who are actually the poorest.
Unfortunately, a fat man in a red suit, a new Pagan culture has taken over the meaning and given it a make over.
The western countries worshiping only one god and it isn’t one in any gospel, have adopted this religious celebration and made it a commercial juggernaut.
I personally don’t participate in the stampede to the shopping centers but I do support the idea that this time of the year should make us stop for once and start thinking about our neighbors, families and relatives. Making sure that no one has to feel excluded and everybody has food and shelter.
Don’t forget it was the Chritsians who took over equinox celebrations and planted their story in its place.
Zeitgeist Part 1
I support the idea that basics like a home, food, power, clothing and a decent education should be available to all, all year round.
And we should all want these things for all, all year round.
In case it isn’t obvious…I really, really hate the whole christmas hypocrisy thing…why can’t we hold those aspirations foremost in our hearts and minds ALL the time?
god, I feel a carole coming on….
“I feel a carole coming on”
heh
Maybe it’s time to just bring benefit levels up to a livable level with the same increases that Super has enjoyed over the years… and ‘let’ beneficiaries manage their own Christmas spending.
Indeed. But it the meantime, this would be some instant help. Perhaps allowing some to avoid incurring debt and the fiscal struggle of paying off high interest loans for the rest of the year.
Another great reason for the UBI
UBI is unlikely to be enough to live on.
YES. I belief it would be one way of supporting those who have the least being able to participate and have especially children feeling included.
Politicians get fat bonuses, so why not…..
Not only would it be widely appreciated and helpful for beneficiaries, but as with increasing benefits, it would be a great PR move for a National Party.
Pray tell us.
What are these “fat bonuses” you talk about?
I presume they are things that are not documented in the pay and allowances that the MPs get.
Politicians have been granted a 2.49 per cent pay rise, back dated to July.
Yes, I know it’s not listed as a bonus but it’s certainly going to come across as that as it’s going to be a rather large lump sum just in time for Xmas.
No it isn’t a “fat bonus”.
That is not to say that I don’t think many politicians are not overpaid. Back when I was younger I believe that an MP earned about as much as a teacher with something called a “position of responsibility. Councillors got almost nothing.
Now they all make long term careers of it and have to be dragged out kicking and screaming because it is more money that many of them could ever earn.
Notwithstanding a pay increase cannot be classed as a bonus. For one thing it isn’t even a one-off. It goes on and on forever.
I did say that but, IMO, the backdating to July will act as one. It’s not as if politicians salaries can’t be planned in line with the new financial year.
citation please – I doubt what you are saying is true.
There’s more propaganda than news coming out of Aleppo this week.
Patrick Cockburn
Winner of the Martha Gellhorn Prize 2005
Winner of the James Cameron Prize 2006
Winner of the Orwell Prize for Journalism in 2009
Foreign Commentator of the Year (Editorial Intelligence Comment Awards 2013)
Foreign Affairs Journalist of the Year (British Journalism Awards 2014)
Foreign Reporter of the Year (The Press Awards For 2014).
There’s more propaganda than news coming out of Aleppo this week.
Apparently so.
There was a period in 2011 and 2012 when there were genuinely independent opposition activists operating inside Syria, but as the jihadis took over these brave people were forced to flee abroad, fell silent or were dead.
Oh, they had to flee or die because “jihadis.” And here was me thinking it was because of all that killing and torturing the Assad regime started on when faced with “genuinely independent opposition activists.” It does seem odd though that “jihadis” only started taking over after Assad had made it more than your life’s worth to be a democracy enthusiast.
It is a genuine civil war and the exclusive focus of on the atrocities committed by the Syrian armed forces on an unarmed civilian population gives a skewed picture of what is happening.
True, the western media isn’t getting any coverage of rebel atrocities, for the reasons Cockburn mentions. On the other hand, the jihadi groups carrying out atrocities aren’t claiming to be legitimate governments that should get to turn up at the UN and be treated as though they aren’t actually just a gang of murderers. Nor have they turned Aleppo into the most-destroyed city since Grozny (also a Russian special). The media focus would be on Assad and his Iranian and Russian patrons regardless of whether western media could cover jihadi atrocities or not.
Cockburn has much stronger credentials to comment on the situation in Syria than you.
Please explain your where your insights on the Middle East come from?
Y ears of experienceas an independent journalist ?
A PhD in modern Middle East politics?
Please explain the authority upon which you can dismiss Cockburn’s views with such assurance.
I sense readers of the Standard are reading your strong opinionated view supported by no actual substance.
And please today.
Express your view without recourse to aggro.
Pointing out your logical fallacies isn’t “aggro,” it’s “education.” Speaking of which, your comment above again attempts to argue from authority.
Instead of playing “my link is better than yours,” try arguing something yourself for a change. What in my comment do you believe was incorrect and why?
I’ll let readers of the Standard decide who has more authority on this issue; Patrick Cockburn or psycho milt.
Psycho Milt has the measure of you.
It’s not a competition
Paul, I wouldn’t bother responding to such a lame attempt at a wind-up. He knows it is in fact a competition, and that the hapless “Psycho Milt” is not even qualified to enter the arena.
By the way, just to clarify, I am not running Psycho Milt as a stooge. He is his own man. Sadly.
Ah Morrissey. If we’re talking lame, have you stalked any radio shows lately? lol
If you like, Paul, but sure, it’s still an honest, un biased, informed opinion.
PM exposes your lack of insight.
How? I put forward the insight of Patrick Cockburn.
What a patently absurd claim to make.
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder838/54307838.jpg
Peter Swift is just gibbering.
The people who ate Syria
http://litci.org/en/rami-makhlouf-a-corruption-poster-boy/
you support the head choppers then?
New Zealand is becoming increasingly the country of the haves and have nots.
Extreme inequality – John Key’s legacy.
Is Waiheke the new Hamptons?
Nigel Latta made a programme on this
The new haves and have nots
Paul,
Nigel Latta (and possibly yourself) may well believe that 1970’s New Zealand was nirvana. I do not.
The changes of 1984 to 1992 were essential. New Zealand is much better for them. Yes there are more wealthy people, but overall New Zealand is better off. In fact income inequality has reduced in the last little while, and income distribution has been essentially the same for the last 25 years.
If the Left want to campaign for a modernised form of the 1970’s; fine. It would mean top taxes of 60%, govt spending of 40% of GDP, a much more extensive welfare state, and a much more regulated economy.
National is happy to have that contest. It will basically campaign on the economy as it is now. It will be a contest of freedom versus regulation
However, it is clear that Bill English will adjust current settings, but not in a radical way. Some more social spending (using the surpluses), but no increase in taxes, continuing to push for a more open trading economy (FTA’s), and I expect more focus on innovation.
The most noticeable income inequality is the comparison between the top and bottom deciles.
Wealth inequality is more of a problem. Income inequality feeds into it, but wealth inequality is harder to turn back. In NZ, Auckland particularly, there’s a noticeable difference between property owners and renters. Bernard Hickey recently wrote about how renters went backwards during the last 8 years, while property owners watched the value of their properties increase.
Some stats:
Stats NZ graph on income inequality 1982-2014
It went down during the Clark govt, and rose for most of the subsequent years to 2014.
An explanation from the inequality.or.nz site:
Understanding inequality
And in Auckland the numbers of people struggling, homeless, etc has noticeably risen in the last 8 years.
Nothing to be complacent about – everything to be concerned about . Needs more than some clever tweaking.
Everything that we see shows how capitalism brings about the worst possible outcomes for society.
Carolyn,
You are correct about wealth inequality (which as you note is different to income inequality). With rapidly increasing property prices wealth inequality has opened up, especially between renters and owners.
There are really the only two ways to change that.
The first is to increase housing supply which will flatten price increases, and may even reduce values a bit. The increase in supply seems to be happening, although it has taken some time to come through.
The second is to make it easier for first home buyers, especially those on lower incomes, to get into their first house. My solution would be a govt guarantee of interest rates for the first five years of the mortgage. For the lowest incomes, a guaranteed interest rate of 3% and for low to middle incomes 5%. The mortgages would still be bank mortgages, with the guarantee effectively being a payment to the bank of the difference between market interest rates ,and the guaranteed rate.
Without addressing the demand side (in fact, if successful your suggestion to assist first home-buyers would add to housing demand) supply would have to vastly increase to slow the rate of property price increases.
As for your suggestion, how do you suppose first home-buyers will attain the initial deposit to allow them to then enter the market and attain these lower interests rates you’re proposing?
Precisely. When house prices are where they’re now lowering interest rates won’t touch the sides. But don’t expect a response from Spray and Walk Away Wayne.
There are really the only two ways to change that.
There are always more solutions to a problem operating far from equilibrium.
The almost obvious solution in the interim is to reduce demand,ie unconstrained immigration of dubious qualities.eg
http://www.top.org.nz/new_zealand_migration_trends_what_the_data_says
Hi Wayne -I wouldn’t support anything that involves borrowing money for a short term outcome as the same people who created that chasm in the first place will get fed some more of the hard earned money for higher profits.
The only way you can remedy the situation is by planning housing projects that include infrastructure with the aim that you do not require ac car to get your essential provisions, health care and some entertainment.
It also would mean that the planning needs to be done for the next 20-30 years – a feat that needs a corresponding vision – I don’t know any politician or even – god forbid – business person in this country that would qualify. Look at Auckland’s public transport system, already outdated and outgrown- this can only happen when the greedy meet the needy (for another term).
And get the property developers out of the equation.
Yes. Needs regulations or taxes to stop land banking.
Possible rent caps as a short term measure – rents are rising faster than incomes and CPI. The Green Party in Ireland is asking for a cap of no rises more than 4% per year, as a short term measure.
Developers are only interested in building on new land, with big houses for the well-off. There’s no profit in smaller houses on already residential land. Lots of greenfields residential development happening in places like Orewa – but they will hardly be affordable.
Building projects aimed at increasing supply, in places like New Lynn, have not produced the amount of houses promised by now.
Need more safe, secure state housing – not with market rents. To pull down the rents & prices of houses.
House price inflation gives a inaccurate measure of the health of our economy. tourism, immigration, house price rises – not productive investments that will ensure a sustainable economy.
Man, top tax rate of 60%, govt spending 40% of GDP, extensive welfare state, more regulated economy sounds amazing. Probably more important to also have higher tax on capital and finance, but still, excellent ideas, and that government spending would certainly get a lot done for the country, a hell of a lot more efficiently than the useless private sector.
Your pitting of this as ‘freedom vs regulation’ is such bollocks. Neoliberal economics just gives freedom to people with high incomes and lots of capital. Low and middle income people are far worse off.
I’m also fairly sure your income distribution claim is bollocks too
And English has had years as finance minister to focus on innovation, yet the country’s R&D spend is the absolute pits. So your expectations will inevitably be dashed on the rocks of National’s incompetence.
1970s New Zealand may not have been a nirvana , but it was a hell of a lot better for most NZers than today.
Of course the rich are a lot better off now and you’re part of that group. So I’d expect a selfish rich person to regard the changes sine the 80s as good.
Factually off the mark comparison Wayne. Tax rates for most people today are higher than then …..
GST – 15% and Tax – 30% plus student loan for many – 12% = 57% for a lot of younger people
and much of the rest it’s 45% which used to be well up the bands. And the excessive charging for compulsory government services. Looked at the cost of getting a drivers license lately??
Only those on high incomes $150k are better off with the low tax rates.
New Zealand may be better off in $$$ ( depends what you measure ) but all the gains over the last 25 years have gone to the small top sector or been sent offshore to multinationals. The 1984 to 1991 reforms turbo charged income inequality and it’s never recovered. Most wages have barely shifted over the last 25 years while costs continue to rise.
As for the government being 40% of gdp spending ? Don’t forget to deduct the attached income (from better power prices for one).
And that would have to be better than sending the same amount of money to prop up dodgy services from greedy companies.
Oh I forgot to mention. Since there is a group like you doing so well they should be delighted to give back with higher tax rates – we could even have a 60%ter lapel badge sent out by the IRD
“The changes of 1984 to 1992 were essential. New Zealand is much better for them. Yes there are more wealthy people, but overall New Zealand is better off.”
Wayne, we were discussing student loans the other day and you pretty much spun the same line. I asked you a few questions…I’m awaiting answers…
https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-15122016/#comment-1276043
“Wayne
How much did you pay to enroll for your first degree?
How much did you have to pay for accommodation and living expenses.
How much did you have to borrow from the government to pay for your university education?
You may just have known someone who trained for a trade while you were studying…law, was it? Anyway…how much did apprentices have to pay to train during the time you were studying?
Funny. don’t you think, that the loudest voices demanding today’s youth mortgage potentially their entire future to pay for their education are the privileged who got their education for free.
I firmly hope there is an especially hot zone in hell for those New Zealanders over fifty years old who do not hang their heads in shame at this betrayal of today’s youth.”
Those “essential changes” Wayne…what negative impacts did they have for you?
Spray and Walk Away Wayne has left the building.
“Spray and Walk Away Wayne has left the building.”
Bugger!
Funny how he waxes all authoritative and fiscally on to it then avoids the real questions.
He’d argue he’s being impartial, taking a ‘big sky’ view. Typical of the privileged to ignore the damage done to lesser mortals.
Rosemary,
I had an A Bursary plus an out of town accommodation bursary. Student fees were about 10% of the actual cost to the University of delivering the courses, (compared to fees being about 30% of the true costs today). I would note that only 10% of NZer’s went to University at that time.
I had a job the entire summer holiday, plus part-time work during the year (about 20 hours per week).
My possessions were personal plus a motorbike. No travel overseas or even to the South Island. I recall I seemed to be virtually broke most of the time, but I could afford to go to the movies.
At the end of my degree I had no debt, but also owned very little.
However, within one year of graduating we owned a house in Manurewa, on the basis of 10% deposit, some of which was borrowed from my wife’s parents. Because our income was low, we qualified for a 3% loan from what was then State Advances. But later, when buying my next house, interest rates were 15%.
By three or four years work (after returning from doing an LLM in Canada) I had hit the top tax rate of 60% which kicked in at $22,000 income. The top tax rate kicked in on way too low an income! That all changed with the election of the 1984 Labour govt, which in my view transformed the NZ economy in a fundamentally good way.
I personally think the combination of lower personal taxes and student loans makes much more sense than 60% taxes. There are much better incentive signals. We obviously now also have GST, but in large measure GST replaced a proliferation of sales taxes, many of them pretty high depending on the nature of the goods.
We did not have anything like the amount of personal possessions/household chattels which seem typical today..
My first overseas trip was when I went to Canada for postgraduate study.
New Zealand seemed a much poorer country than it is today, and much poorer than Canada. That is no longer true. New Zealand has done quite a bit of catching up in the last two decades, especially the last decade, since we did not have anything like the level of setback during the GFC that North America and Europe suffered.
Have a look at the 2017 Economist Yearbook for the comparative GDP per capita figures. We have passed the UK and France and are close to Germany. Not so long ago we had the same GDP per capita as Italy. They are now miles behind NZ.
So there is no betrayal of today’s youth. The only significant problem to be fixed is housing affordability, which is primarily an Auckland problem.
Of course, Wayne, there is no inequality in New Zealand.
And it’s a paradise for everyone.
Keep living in the bubble……………….
“Keep living in the bubble………”
Bubble? Or a cloud of hallucinogenic gas?
Thanks Wayne…at least you responded.
Others, I am sure, will highlight the flaws in your assertions.
You call that a response!
God, Paul…I’d have to go through it line by line…I consider it a win that he actually answered and showed his true colours…yet again.
Grrrr….
“At the end of my degree I had no debt, but also owned very little.”
Bully for bloody you, Wayne.
What kind of a country encourages it’s children to pursue a tertiary education AND to borrow in order to pay for it?
THEN, THEN change the narrative so that somehow it is the Government, made up of privileged prats who at the end of their degree had no debt, that is doing this generation a favour?
Then, then, increased GST (you vomited that up Wayne) and practically forced the young ones into compulsory Kiwisaver schemes by threatening them with no Superannuation like the privileged prats have.
“New Zealand seemed a much poorer country than it is today, ”
By what standard Wayne….????
I think the “seemed poorer” is more based on the limited amount of consumer goods available back then.
Since then consumerism has become rampant – with non-necessities often cheaper than basic necessities for living.
It probably also seemed poorer to the educated and professional classes – more toys; more overseas travel, etc.
““seemed poorer” is more based on the limited amount of consumer goods available back then.”
You’re probably right…but that was not what I was thinking.
I well remember when those import restrictions were lifted and ‘luxury’ goods could be brought in to satisfy the lust of the new New Zealand upper class….
…and a deluge of crap for the masses to buy to give them the delusion of ‘wealth’.
“Incentive signals” to whom? The already privileged classes and their children?
An see Barry Coates on the way the OECD stats are misleading about NZ’s economy.
Impressive. And some good advice from yourself and other winners. Do you still employ domestic help ?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/features/4655470/High-power-relationship-advice
NOAA Issues ‘Jaw-Dropping’ Assessment on ‘Unprecedented’ Arctic Warming
NOAA Issues ‘Jaw-Dropping’ Assessment on ‘Unprecedented’ Arctic Warming
I am new to the mike so forgive me if I am re-visiting a subject that has been flogged to death but everytime I hear David Shearer speak as I did this morning talking to Kim Hill it re-ignites my anger with the Labour Party’s heirarchy that saw fit to dump him from his leadership role ….what a PM this guy would have made if given half a chance .A prime example of the short sighted and poll driven decision making so reminiscent of our recently departed PM . I thought the NZ Labour Party was better than that and my faith in them was rattled to the core over the issue and has still not returned sufficiently to award them my vote
Clive Blake
He wasn’t dumped – he resigned and he did so because he was failing badly as leader of Labour. Amazingly enough, IMO, Labour Party members don’t expect their leader to be a National Lite beneficiary basher.
I think I now better understand the level of debate
Did Shearer’s comments about the sickness beneficiary painting his roof resonate with you?
Or you could just accept – like he seems to have – that whilst he is/might be a really nice guy – compassionate and wanting to put his humanitarian skills to good use, that he wasn’t really cut out for politics in today’s environment.
Let’s just give him whatever support we’re able in his new endeavours, but not try and reinvent history and paint him as something he wasn’t.
At that time and place, he was shit. Which is not to say, given a different, less toxic time and place – he might have been brilliant.
Who knows Clive, there might be a time in future when he’ll return (hopefully a little more charitable towards beneficiaries painting a roof)
That was an honest interview – if he’d told the spin doctors to take a hike from the start, he might have done better. What I detected (even if he didn’t actually say it) was that he lacked the self-confidence – or perhaps arrogance to pull it off. He was probably too ‘nice’. Instead of Fran Mould, he probably could have done with a Paul fucking Henry – or even that curmudgeon Edwards
I imagine during his experiences with the U.N. in the past, he caught a little bit of the “You don’t know how lucky we are”
Matthew Hooton added a very slimy and disingenuous but essentially toxic dimension to Shearer’s rise.
I remember watching him hold up those fish in Question Time and knowing right away that he was toast.
mmmmmm. Sardines on toast! I was trying to decide what was cheap and quick to eat for tea whilst cooking for one.
Thanks
The Sixth day of Christmas on Friendship :
(Dr. Frank Crane (1861–1928) was a Presbyterian minister, speaker, and columnist)
Thats pretty cool quote.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/320639/annette-king-to-give-up-rongotai-seat
King to give up Rongotai.
At last – a seat so safe that even Little couldnt lose it.
Im picking he will take this one up – given the polling being list only is a very scary place to be in labour – even if you are at the top of it.
I think he’s living in Rongotai or close to the border, so it would make sense.
However, it’s not that safe a seat as I could envisage a strong Green campaign in the seat.
2TBs of data leaks from government servers according to Kim Dotcom. To be released ahead of the 2017 election.
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/17/did-the-nz-government-just-have-2-terabytes-of-information-hacked/
Another Moment of Truth.
In the article linked from Bomber’s post, KDC said that the Moment of Truth revealed something that should have lost key the 2014 election, if the MSM had written about the MoM accurately.
I watched the MoM, and saw no shocking revelations about Key. It was a fizzer in that respect,
Snowden did reveal that the NSA had a presence in NZ. That was the biggest revelation.
I also think KDC over-states the bias of NZ MSM. There are some good investigative pieces coming from the likes of David Fisher, Matt Nippert and John Campbell.
Also, Paula Penfold’s documentary on NZ prisons.
The extent of access the five eyes network had to NZers data, was laid out in the Moment of Truth.
This information showed the completeness of the lie Key told when discussing the new legislation. However, for most, the focus was on Kim Dotcom, and that point seemed to be ignored and forgotten.
There were two aspects to the Moment of Truth. The fizzer was in relation to KDC’s hype prior to the MoT, saying he was going to produce evidence Key lied about KDC’s arrest. This is what I meant when I said KDC’s MoT was a fizzer. KDC is responsible for over-shadowing the Greenwald-Snowden revelations, because he put himself at the centre of the MoT and made it all about him.
The stuff told by Greenwald and Snowden was riveting – and the right wing journos in NZ tended to dismiss that. Not all the MSM believed Key though, and some thought there was enough evidence to damn Key.
Andrea Vance reckoned the MoT did produce enough substance re-surveillance, and wasn’t interested in the KDC kerfuffle.
Other MSM journos had mixed responses, with the likes of Fran O’Sullivan claiming Snowden produced no evidence of the surveillance breaches:
The Guardian article on it talked more about the documents produced by Greenwald on Intercept in advance of the MoT as containing the damning stuff.
The hype around KDC was of Dotcom’s own making. He hyped up the MoT before hand, saying he would produce evidence to prove the plot against him by Key and Hollywood re-his arrest in NZ. He had been talking up for a long while that that at the MoT he would produce evidence that JK had lied about KDC and his arrest.
Just before the MoT he produced an email, and seemed to promise more in the MoT. But at the last minute he seemed to pull the plug on saying anything in the MoT. Then Warners’ claimed the email was fake.
That is why I am skeptical about KDC’s claims about a hack of the NZ government. He likes to grandstand. If it is a big secret to be revealed next year, why is KDC leaking about it?
Looking forward to it, NZ needs more transparency, much respect to those whom are pro-active towards it. Makes one reflect on an OM post a few months back
Re MOT.. Thoroughly enjoyed the moment of truth and build up, Amsterdam, Greenwald, Ed and Julian, wide awake sharers of information, intelligent and proactive, RESPECT.
NZ public found it all a bit hard to swallow however, perplexed with the media spin on it, so desperate were the mainstream to have click bait on DotCom that they missed the whole point, or maybe they simply suppressed valuable information, justifying their actions by saying the public are just not that interested. Least that’s how I saw it played out in 2014.
It’s certainly had many views
It wasn’t just the media spin, it was KDC’s own self-centred hype about his own case that muddied the waters.
I seem to recall it was Greenwald that told him to pull the plug on making the climax about the MoT about KDC’s own case. He thought it would over-shadow the important stuff from the Snowden papers. But, by then, KDC had already done the damage.
The two topics should have been kept separate.
strongly agree with you there Carolyn
Facebook Is Finally Cracking Down on Fake News
Conservatives are already freaking out.
Seems reasonable and they’re certainly going about it in a careful and considered manner.
The conservatives seem to be concerned that their lies will be found out in near real time.
Lets deal with the legacy, and ignore the man.
A great piece from Wayne Hope over at the daily blog, just wonderful .
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/16/keeping-up-appearances-the-verdict-on-john-key-and-the-nz-listeners-adoration-of-him/
“A great piece from Wayne Hope…….”
AS ALWAYS.
He (also) has a good handle on the issue of “all those bloody foreigners and international students coming here taking all our jobs”
Cricket News: Breen on 48 and looking good
Making good progress at 12:36 p.m.
Coming in at No. 2 on the batting order, Breen looks like bringing up his half ton at any moment. Click below to see the historic moment LIVE….
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/12/general_debate_17_december_2016.html/comment-page-1#comment-1838987
Trolling troll links to his trolling at other sites.
Stick to your third rate stenography moz.
No fear. I’m on 56 not out at the moment!
Stay tuned, fans!
The Atlantic’s short documentary on the “alt-right” Neo Nazis, includes interview with Richard Spencer, current self-proclaimed front man of the “movement”:
Have a bucket handy, but it’s necessary to know that they exist and how they operate.
That silly haircut is known as a “fashie” by its wearers in the Neo Nazi movement.
” necessary to know that they exist and how they operate”…not really.
“Richard B. Spencer greeted an audience of more than 200 at an alt-right conference in Washington D.C. last month with the cry, “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!” He was met with enthusiastic cheers and Nazi salutes”…oooh, 200 people.
Thats the same number that enjoyed the Coláiste Mhuire Johnstown first ever Festive Food & Craft Fair….. followed by a Cookery Demonstration.
http://www.colaistemhuirekk.ie/wp-content/uploads/A-crowd-of-over-200-people-enjoy-the-Cookery-Demonstration-@-Col%C3%A1iste-Mhuire-Johnstown-on-Thursday-27th-November-2014.jpg
and you don’t need to know about that either…
Numbers in rooms don’t matter any more when it’s streamed or if there’s one in the White House – Steve Bannon. You’re being silly.
The rebranding going on at the moment with the neo fascist right is quite astonishing, or at least the rebranding is interesting, what’s most astonishing has been the media’s propensity to lap it all up.
As for the hairdo, that fashy undercut is everywhere at the moment, I’m sporting a version of it myself and I’m certainly no neo-nazi. An example of the lengths to which the Alt-Right has gone to make themselves the mainstream as they’ve pivoted away from the “crazy” skinhead and Klansmen stereotypes towards a clean-cut well-dressed Hitler Youth look which the fashion world finds irresistible.
A good example of appropriation then, like Pepe the frog. Sometimes they seem ridiculous – some are trying to appropriate 80s digital music “ironically” as “fashwave” while others are split over whether they should boycott Star Wars films because they’re anti-fascist and have women in them, or watch them and root for the Empire/First Order.
Love the lead paragraph:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87654735/solid-energy-may-be-able-to-access-pike-river
Peter Williams evidently finds “Duterte Harry” and
his extradjudicial killings to be highly amusing
Advertisement for 6 o’clock News, TV1, 5:39 p.m., repeated at 5:47 p.m.
In a chirpy and amused tone, veteran autocue reader Peter Williams reads out the following teaser for tonight’s News:
Peter Williams, like his vacant-eyed colleagues, has never impressed me as someone who either knows much or thinks much about international politics. But he does know enough to realise that President Duterte of the Philippines is an official ally, and therefore even something as depraved as his killing of unarmed captives can be recounted in a chirpy and amused tone.
It’s not hard to imagine the lugubrious countenance Williams would strike, and the tone of grim admonition he would adopt if ever an official enemy, rather than an “ally” like Duterte, boasted of killing unarmed captives.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/philippines-secret-death-squads-police-officer-teams-behind-killings
UPDATE!
These were the first words Williams intoned at 6 p.m….
“Cut it Out! What President Obama said to Vladimir Putin today about Russian cyber attacks.”
My little ideas for the big Cabinet announcement tomorrow:
1. Prime Minister Bill English: SIS, Tourism
2. Paula Bennett: Housing, Auckland Issues, Associate Finance
3. Stephen Joyce: Finance
4. Simon Bridges: Economic Development, and Transport
5. Nikki Kaye: Social Development, Education
6. Todd McClay: Trade, Foreign Affairs
7. Michael Woodhouse: Health
8. Chris Finlayson: Attorney-General, Treaty Negotations, and Arts+Culture
9. Judith Collins: Defence, Police
10. Dr Jian Yang: Minister of Tertiary Education, Associate Minister Foreign Affairs
11. Andrew Bayly: Ministry for Primary Industries (Forestry, Fisheries, Agriculture)
12. Gerry Brownlee: Chief Whip, Earthquake Recovery
13. Joanthan Coleman: Justice
14. Scott Simpson: Revenue
15. Alfred Ngaro: Corrections, Pacific island Affairs
16. Nick Smith: Conservation, Environment
17. Jamie-Lee Ross: Local Government
interesting Ad, is Nikki well enough to handle two big portfolio’s ? Please not Nick in environment/conservation. And Coleman doing Justice instead of Health, fascinating.
You reckon Tolley is a goner? Wonder whom will announce resignation for family reasons tomorrow, haven’t had any quitters for two whole days now lololz.
Do you know what time the announcement is tomorrow please? I’m curious as to the outgoing PM’s picks for the outgoing government.
Radio NZ are coving it from 3, with commentary thereafter.
I think Kaye is well on the mend, but if she wants to beg off, fine; I was thinking like a PM trying to keep the social investment framework integrated and accelerating. Those were the two portfolios to do it.
Thanks mate, will tune in, looking forward to reading yours and others thoughts on here afterwards.
Political discussion at tonight’s dinner table was about Ruth Dyson being the next to leave, following closely Annette King’s latest announcement.
Strewth, not Ruth! And Annette!
My dream is to sit down for an hour with the pair of them and have a free and honest discussion about why they didn’t sort the Family Carers issue before it went to the Tribunal in 2008.
They had all the facts and research at their fingertips, and chose to throw us to the National wolves.
Thanks, ladies. Your angry ranting in the House on the 17th May 2013 was nothing but crocodile tears.
Labour took exactly the same stance towards the carers sleepover case that started around the same time. They could’ve fixed it there and then but Labour let the unions and the providers scrap it out for years before the workers got what ended up being a pretty watered down form of justice.
Dyson tried to claim quite a bit of the glory from a number small wins in the disability sector that she in fact had fuck all to do with. She’s definitely another who needs to sling their hook.
“…carers sleepover case…”
Hah! What had me yelling at the radio during the sleepover case was that the very simplest of solutions would have been to do what ACC was doing at the time….a tax free allowance of about $80 -90 per night for non active sleepovers…instead of the pathetic $30 odd that IHC was paying under Miserly of Health. I understand that there is an hourly rate for both now.
Labour could’ve fixed it by renegotiating the contracts based on the true cost of wages. Instead they washed their hands saying it was an “employment” problem. Then when the workers were successful at the Employment Court Labour MPs started cheering “we won!” The whole thing was sickening to watch, including IHC as well, how as an employer they then took on the workers when they themselves argue for proper wages for care workers. It was a perfect opportunity for IHC to join with the workers to lobby government over the inadequate contracts. IHC’s position on that issue showed their true colours, consistent with how they’re colluding with the government to end state involvement in housing. IHC is evil to the core.
And in the most bizarre of circumstances….IHC found itself
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/4197918/IHC-firms-in-statutory-management
and….http://philippatston.com/blog/disability-stuff-up-being-fixed-by-those-who-stuffed-up/
Real rabbit hole stuff…makes one wonder who’s up who and who’s paying?