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The National Animal Welfare Advisory Committee (NAWAC) today released its recommendations about the welfare and housing of dairy cows. The draft code allows for the year round indoor confinement of dairy cows.
“NAWAC’s recommendations will condemn thousands of dairy cows to a life in crowded sheds on concrete floors. The animals will never walk on grass or experience life outdoors,” says SAFE Executive Director Hans Kriek. “NAWAC once again fails to uphold the principles of New Zealand’s animal welfare legislation and is legalising this country’s newest form of factory farming.”
“The Animal Welfare Act requires that animals be able to display their normal behaviour. Research shows that dairy cows graze between five and ten hours per day yet bizarrely NAWAC appears not to recognize grazing as an essential behavioural need. This is utterly ridiculous and brings into question the competence of this committee.”
SAFE is concerned that the proposed changes to the code of welfare for dairy cows will lead to a rapid intensification of the dairy industry and will result in increased suffering for the cows. In general, cows farmed indoors suffer from higher levels of mastitis and lameness than cows that have access to pasture.
TAKE ACTION
SAFE urges the public to speak out against the indoor housing of dairy cows by making a simple submission to the Ministry for Primary Industries.
Submissions close 3 December and should be sent to: awsubmission@mpi.govt.nz
or
NAWAC Secretary
Animal Welfare
Ministry for Primary Industries
PO Box 2526
Wellington 6140
Points to remember when making your submission:
• Grazing in a paddock is normal behaviour, and cows should be allowed to do it.
• Cows should not be confined for extended periods of time.
• Cows should be given shelter, as long as they are allowed to leave.
The other side of this unfortunately is effluent running into our waterways. Herd homes can take cows off pasture, so there is a real positive side to this as well. Personally i think Herd homes may be an important factor in cleaning up our water ways at the same time as protecting our $15 billion dairy exports. Its a tough one though, cows in paddocks are preferable but they are killing our waterways. What are the other options?
Cows aren’t killing our waterways. Industrial dairy companies are, and regional councils are letting them. In general the public are letting them too.
Other options? Prioritise water over profit via regulation and legislation (regional councils, and the government should have a role in this too). If big business wants to make money, why let it do it at the expense of everyone else?
Adopt sustainable farming practices (whole range of options there). Factory farming cows is completely unecessary and is a step in completely the wrong direction (takes us away from sustainability). It will also create other problems in addition to the increased suffering of the animals. Putting alot of animals closely together in an indoor space creates health problems that require increasing technical interventions that have flow on effects (increased antibiotic use would be my first guess, and all the problems that go with that).
People who care about the environment (ie the waterways) need to look at the whole situation, not just the isolated bits.
Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming. From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis. But the big thing about Herd homes is that they stop the cows pissing and shitting on the paddocks, this effluent is what is fucking up our water ways. There is also an amount of waterways pollution from nitrogen and phosphate fertilisers, but most of the waterways pollution comes from effluent. The effluent from the herd homes is then reapplied to the land scientifically to reduce the need for synthetic nitrogens and also to optimise its utilisation so that there is minimal run off into the waterways.
Wekka, Im not sure what you mean by “Industrial dairy companies are killing our waterways”??? Its the cows shitting and pissing on the paddocks, simple as that.
We put the cows there Saarbo, no point in blaming the cows. It’s a new phenomenon, all this shit in the water. The cows didn’t just waltz up and take over teh country side, did they. Who put them there? Who let that happen?
“From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis.”
25% less lameness than what?
“Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming.”
But they’re still locked in right? And they still have to stand in their own shit? And the farmers have to manage health and disease differently? What is the floor made from, concrete?
What are they being fed?
The big shed farm proposal in the McKenzie planned to keep 18,000 cows in stalls (not sure what’s happened with that).
Keep pushing the water is more important than animal welfare line and expect a big fight from a number of quarters.
Im not sure about the Mc kenzie proposal, 18000 cows housed sounds ugly, thats not what I am supporting here. Personally my belief is that any farm above 650 cows becomes to difficult to manage and ends up too hard on the people working on them, seldom the owners. that is why so many farms are using immigrants.
Herd homes are pretty new in NZ, but the ones I looked at the Field days were for farms in the 300 to 1000 cows and I was impressed with the way they dealt with effluent. They will provide a pretty good solution to the problem with water ways, which I think is dairy farmings biggest issue at the moment.
I think from a political point of view we need to continue to generate/protect export receipts from dairy farming and we need to deal with the problems dairy farms are causing to our environment. herd homes seem to achieve both…but concede that it is not as user friendly as putting cows in paddocks.
I guess what I am trying to say is people need to look at this closely before commenting because Herd homes do deal with some of our bigger problems.
By rejecting dairy farming altogether, well we will end up with a whole set of other issues then
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Being allowed to permanently keep cattle inside is likely to intensify farming even more. If they can’t handle the level of effluent right now how on earth could they deal with this? It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.
One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??
Will be looking to any comments the Greenz make before I make my submission.
+1 …it is cruel to keep cows in sheds!!!!!…they should be able to roam free ….but the waterways must be protected ….only farm cows in environmentally safe ways and in environmentally sustainable areas…….ie …safeguard the rivers and aquifers
….look to diversify types of farming in other areas eg vegetarian /vegan crops and trees
Macerate in what? I’ve not heard of people macerating young male chooks live, but certain people do once they’re dead. It’s called marinating then, and no it’s not cruel (the animal is dead already).
Plants have feelings too btw. So do ecosystems. Monocropping soy to feed a world full of vegans would be an ecological crime as well as cruel.
“It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.” Not quite, this will actually make our dairy farming more costly…but it has environmental benefits. Refer to my reply to Weka.
“One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??”
Meat farmers wont be doing this, only Dairy Farmers I understand.
@ Saarbo….I think so….re huge use of antibiotics….at least in the USA….I have a friend who left NZ a big meat eater …but is now a vegetarian in the States because the meat is so “disgusting”….We don’t want to go there if we want to preserve our elite /organic marketing edge…it would completely ruin the marketing NZ Pure & Green image for NZ
Actually a dietitian I read said that there are examples of the junk food over sugared etc can cause an overtired man to freak out and commit murder. She gave the example of long-distance truck driver deliberately driving into a building and killing members of the public. Particularly if he had been on uppers and downers.
Saarbo, i havn’t delved into how well kept dairy herds can be (are) yet, but will with a spare hour or two have a wee Google of the question,
I do not think that we should dismiss this form of farming out of hand, but, looking at how the chooks and pigs are treated by intensive indoor farming it’s easy to see why many have,
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’…
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’ if we want to allow increasing industrialisation of nature for the point of monetary profit for the few and at the expense of the many
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There is no way to farm industrial dairy sustainably. You can shift cows into sheds, at the expense of animal welfare, but you just create another set of problems because the whole endeavour is inherently about resource extraction not resource cycling. If having let them become so degraded NZ now wants to protect its waterways by fucking with some other part of nature, then we lose any remaining credibility we had with regards to sustainability and we deserve everything we get. People of ecological conscience need to think hard before buying into the sop being offered that is in essence factory farming cows.
Or to put it another way, there was an old lady who swallowed a fly… (get it?)
Please remember this has nothing whatsoever to do with feeding Kiwis. It’s purely (100% purely) about the greed of the few.
We can do all that here with our own resources, i.e, it’s better for the government to develop our economy rather than just doing more of the same thing.
“Organic is great, but there would be a drop in production and export receipts, I think a good government needs to grow exports, any ideas DTB?”
Yeah, I don’t know why we need to grow exports, esp in a peak-resources, AGW world (it’s crazy to be basing our economy and food production around that). However for the sake of argument, NZ could have been world leaders in export organic meat and dairy by now, and reaping the premium attached to that. The improvement in landcare would have boosted our clean, green NZ image for tourism marketing purposes too, not just in PR terms but in actual terms when people come here and experience the place for themselves. We wouldn’t be wasting huge amounts of rate payer funds in the regional councils trying to fix a problem that is now basically going to be very expensive (politically and financially) to fix. The cost of being able to swim in our rivers: priceless.
I’ve not seen an audit of this, but I also suspect where organic production means a drop in output, this is offset by the reduction in pollution remediation costs associated with industrial dairying. A ‘good’ government would be ensuring that farmers are able to make a living without that being at the expense of the environment and other people. They would also adopt an accounting model that measures the negative effects of farming and where that costs us at all levels.
It puzzles me. If we move our cattle into barns are they suddenly going to shit less. If not then we will have roughly the same effluent to deal with as in pasture and I cannot see any farmer doing more than high pressure sluicing the stuff somewhere away from the barns. Is it still not going to end up on land somewhere ready to make its way to waterways?
Also what on earth will the cows be feed with. Will the farmer still be growing grass and processing it to feed for the cattle? If so then they will still over fertilize their land and the nitrates will still run off to waterworks.
I cannot see any solution here.
Ron, the effluent drops through the grating in the floor of the HH, there is no high pressure hosing, so very little water is used. The effluent is emptied twice a year and is spread on the farm as an alternative to synthetic fertilisers. Obviously this can be managed/optimised to reduce any run off into water ways.
The grass is harvested off the farm and fed to the cows in the HH.
…barned dairy and beef herds will create more vegetarians/vegans for sure…as many Europeans and Americans are already becoming semi-vegetarian and housed factory produced animals disgusts them……and bang goes your market….and bang goes NZ’s image as a Green producer of high quality free-range meat and dairy
…there is no need for factory ‘farmed’ barned animals in NZ except greed…and it will probably make environmental issues worse eg far greater numbers ‘farmed’ ( every man and his dog will want to get in on it) and far greater potential effluent in waterways and contamination and depletion of rivers…I have met French and Italians who don’t like farm-barned animals…whole farm regions go smelly
….and do we want the animal antibiotic issues they have in the USA?
Of course non point discharge is a problem, but a manageable one depending on soil properties, farm infrastructure, the location of waterways around the paddocks, and the nature of the catchment involved.
I thought cows in their ‘natural’ state were forest dwelling animals. Quite like the idea of fields being replanted to some degree to offer a more natural environment incorporating shelter and a wider source of food for the animals and more diverse ‘crops’ for human use.
Depends on the trees and forest doesn’t it? And the breed of cow. We keep stock outside in winter pretty much everywhere. The issue about bad weather for the industrial model is that cows need to eat more (ie less profit). If you see the trees as productive beyond their use as shelter then that is less of an issue (eg timber, nuts, forage, coppicing, carbon sinking etc). We need to start thinking holistically.
Wow, right up there with sow crates and battery hen farming.T here’s major health issues and it will ruin the industry. I’m with Hans all the way. Still sell ourselves as clean and green nah.
What will reduce the amount of effluent in the water is lower stocking rates so the available cow shit is spread over more land. Farming cows in suitable climates also helps. Putting them in barns is needed when the weather is harsh (snowing) and this is about the only time they should be in shelter.
Try driving around parts of this country in the summer with the car window down, from Dundein to Christchurch all you can smell is cow shit.
Reducing stocking rates would be a good start, but the problem isn’t just the water. It’s what big heavy hoofed animals do to soil too. This is why Southland farmers overwinter their stock in Central – the land just gets too boggy. Even if you manage the shit problem, I just don’t think there is any way to sustainably farm dairy industrially. I know of smaller scale organic dairy farms that use different practices, and we could probably get by for a long time with those supplying milk etc for NZ. But extraction farming for export, there’s just no way to do that with dairy and not make a big fucking mess.
Yes, but are you suggesting that all farms go organic Weka? Because that will create other issues, like a huge drop in government revenue and all of the downstream problems…
I do agree that reducing stock rates is another solution, already happening near large waterways I understand (Taupo, Waikato River I think)
Capping stocking rates, better fence and riparian strip maintenance, improved herd and paddock management, will all help the environment significantly.
It’s not a hard ask. Lots of farmers are doing it already.
I don’t know that overwintering in Central is really solving any problem. The ground freezes up there in winter so if you spread cowshit around outside it probably isn’t going anywhere until the first rain washes it off hard ground into the nearest waterway.
There is I believe already a problem with human waste and septic tanks doing just that in some communities. St Bathans?
It’s already being done RB, in places where it works. It’s not like Central freezes over for months at a time 😉 I assume the stocking rates are much less too.
But yeah, it’s not really viable in the long term.
I must visit at the wrong time Weka -it’s usually b freezing when I am there. At the back of my mind I’m assuming that this is a rerun of the intensive Mackenzie basin farming proposals. Even if the ground is only frozen for 6 weeks 18000 codes are going to produce a lot of shit. Perhaps us poor peasants will be able to dry and burn it as fuel
Not really, especially as he makes no secret or excuses for either.
Come on, don’t be so precious. Surely if we can be told to fu*k off back to our own countries without admonishment, we can handle a little of the above?
Yea … it was pretty nasty and judgemental!
Complete and utter kaka and bullshit as well.
I could begin with a brother’s IQ …. I could then go on to ask why a certain former head of the drug squad (a Rangi Rangihika) used to wonder why those addicted that he encountered/busted were extremely intelligent – completely to his wonderment, and what he should do about it. (In the days before we had the Police’s worst enemy – Greg O’Connor)
Don’t get me wrong tho’ te Allen – I’m not a supporter of smack heads’ actions – just not as ready to pretend to myself how so much better I am than they are. There’s an obviously highly intelligent Ure that could probably shit on me any day – and I suspect definitely shit on you.
Oh… btw – there are also rent-a-quote CantyUni Criminologists and others the MSM seem totally in lerv with who could probably give you an education on it all – rather than the schooling you’ve obviously so far received.
Your over reaction is as funny as your loyalty admirable.
If you’re really that bothered I’ll retract, as ‘extrapolating an undeniable scientific fact from a sample size of 1’ seems to offend so much when I do it 😉
You miss the point. It’s not that you were a junkie, nor the fact your writing style rips eyes from skulls, but the oversimplified, dismissive tone of your boast.
Live by crass generalisations, then die by crass generalisations. It’s not nice is it?
Lucky for you, you had a couple of guys backing up your claim because they didn’t want your feelings hurt, though their silence on your borderline racist tone is a bit deafening.
I’m no more ‘pc’ than you are a friend of convivial writing, but that’s all way beside the point.
But whilst we’re at it, so to speak, what’s with signing each and every post about?
You know your handle is appears above your comments, right?
Is it ego that you need to see your name twice, or is you think we’re all too dumb we need telling twice? 😆
“..it is actually links to facts/evidence that back the claims i made..”
No, it doesn’t. I’ve searched your blog before for back up to the claims you make, and they’re just not there. The onus is on you mate, to provide the back up here on ts. Or at least link to a single blogpost that backs up your claims so we know which ones you consider to be useful.
“..i grew up eating eating greasy bacon for breakfast..and ‘$1.50 pies’..
..and was fat and unhealthy as..”
Pity you don’t understand the underlying mechanism though.
Fat is an essential nutrient for humans. Without it our brains and hormones don’t work properly. I had a look at the rationale you present, which is this article in the Herald.
(and btw, “the MoH says so” isn’t evidence that backs up your views).
Lack of exercise, $1.50 pies, an abundance of fried chicken and traditional Polynesian food served with lashings of coconut cream have resulted in an obesity rate in Pacific adults of more than 60 per cent.
However…
Tokelau is a group of three atolls located in the South Pacific Ocean with approximately 1400 inhabitants. Administratively it belongs to New Zealand.
From a dietary point of view the case of Tokelau is very interesting: we can observe what happens when a population transitions from their traditional diet to a more westernized one, and back.
When Captain Wilkes visited Tokelau with his scientists, they reported that the people living there were very healthy, and to their surprise most of their diet was composed of coconut and fish, and some breadfruit (a starchy melon). There were no signs of plant cultivation.
In the 1920s, their diet was:
70% from coconut. So, more than 50% of this diet was fat.
90% of this fat, was saturated fat.
Health problems at that time:
skin diseases
asthma
infectious diseases (chicken pox, measles, leprosy). No chronic diseases were recorded (trained physicians had been available since 1917).
The article goes on to look at what happened to the Tokelauan population when half of it immigrated to NZ and adopted a Western diet. Upshot is a massively huge increase in diabetes, heart disease etc. Biggest change in diet? Less fat and increase in refined carbohydrates. The original research on this was the Tokelau Island Migration Study. You can google it for more detail.
This pattern is demonstrated again and again all over the world. Take people away from their traditional diets, even high fat ones, and feed them white flour and white sugar, and watch diabetes and heart disease arrive (looks like cancer and possibly Alzheimers too).
The “traditional Polynesion food is the problem” line being run by the MoH and the Herald is the same colonisation shit that’s been going on for the past few hundred years in the Pacific. It’s not the traditional food that’s the problem, it’s the whitey food (actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).
You got it. Refined flour and sugar. Most people will do themselves a world of good simply by cutting those items back by 30%. Of course, cheap lower quality food is full of this stuff.
Always nice to see the food police jump instantly to a (seriously complex and difficult-to-implement) taxation solution for food. Because food preparation doesn’t require time or knowledge, if we make tofu $1/kilogram everyone will magically be able to feed their families a low-carb low-fat lean-protein micronutrient-balanced stirfry.
Sooo, John Banks the eloquent little botox queen is said to have approached a supporter of Penny Bright at the Auckland District Court intoning in a voice only they could here that the woman was a ‘Bush Pig’,
If that’s the way you want to play the game Herr Banks all well and good, i am off today to have a conversation with that bloke McCready to see what material help he needs, if any,(which i will gladly supply),
It’s just come to my attention that Graham McCready is on the bones of His ‘proverbial’, dealing to Banks on the shoe-string of a benefit,
i am sure if He needs it,transport to and from the airport down here can be arranged and flight costs covered,
i was peeved when the case was moved to Auckland, but understand now the cost of moving the necessary witnesses down to Wellington would be an impossibility for Mr McCready, but, if Botox Banks(the already once convicted), wants to engage in a little post-courtroom debate i will be sorely tempted to drag myself up that way and deliver Him the same message he got at the point of His first conviction,(boy didn’t the Rat scurry in a hurry on that day)…
…..the fact is that even though I had owned the same apartment in the Auckland CBD for more than a decade, the voting papers hadn’t turned up.
And in spite of good intentions, I didn’t get around to sorting it out before the election closed.
But frankly, I don’t believe Brown is doing anything near enough to ensure this city’s economic growth steps up.
Yes, Fran’s just so concerned about the future of the city she lives in. In spit of that, she just couldn’t be bothered to pick up the phone and exercise her democratic right to chose the Mayor, Councillors and members of the community and district health boards for the next three years.
I wouldn’t want to rely on her assistance if she was “concerned” about me!
Doesn’t Fran O’Sullivan’s latest piece of Jonolism give off a distinct reek of insanity, in all Her lazy rotundness O’Sullivan couldn’t be bothered to vote until that is She learned of what goes on in Len Brown’s bedroom, what a pathetic waste of space,
Can Fran please tell all, i want to know what goes on in Her bedroom befor i decide to read her abysmal column in the morning,
On second thoughts, cancel that, the thought of getting a glimpse into the goings on in Fran’s bedroom first fills me with horror and secondly gives me the urge to barf…
Xxx
Thanks for the link to Fran’s confession. Small wonder why folks south of Auckland, couldn’t care less about all of this media circus. It reflects poorly on
Orkland, Super City, Rodney Hyde, National government, and the huge imbalance of power that now Auckland represents. Most Kiwis don’t live in Auckland and resent Auckland centric ‘culture’ and media. Don’t vote, it only encourages them. Seems to be the Auckland way.
The fix is regional development as the only regional activity doing ‘well’ is dairying and thats screwing up our waterways, land profiles etc.
cities will always have a certain attraction be it work, family, facilities but akl is a bit if a basket case after the curtis,woods,banks legacy gives way to nacts engineered takover via supercity.
oshillivan is a fool to admit not voting but thats not news really.
Another case of irony in that Mr Wewege lost his position because of sexual relationship and Bevan Chuang.
The Herald:
“The Washington-based Diplomatic Courier magazine last month named Luigi Wewege as one of the top 99 foreign policy professionals under 33, because of his efforts to “foster intellectual dialogue and relationships between New Zealand youth and the world decision-makers of today and tomorrow”.
But his profile was pulled from the international affairs website yesterday after the editors became concerned about his role in the Auckland mayoral sex scandal…………
Managing editor Chrisella Herzog contacted the Herald to confirm the veracity of Facebook messages sent between Mr Wewege, a member of the John Palino campaign team, and Bevan Chuang, who publicly revealed a two-year affair with Auckland Mayor Len Brown.
Come back Kim Hill, urgently! Saturday Morning, Radio NZ National, 19 October 2013
Kim Hill’s Saturday morning show, along with Chris Laidlaw’s and occasionally Bryan Crump’s, is one of the few times that New Zealand audiences can hear top-quality conversations with interesting people about serious topics. So the many fans of Kim Hill’s show are always concerned when she is on leave, as she is now. Will the replacement be up to it? Will she maintain Kim Hill’s exceptionally high standards?
Well, it turns out that Kim’s replacement today is one Susie Ferguson and, unfortunately, she is just not up to it.
Shortly after that, she came to our attention again, this time by her obtuse and foolish questions to a movie distributor, who treated her with barely restrained contempt…. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-667846
(Aficionados of disruption strategies will note our friend McFlock‘s inept attempts to derail the discussion.)
This morning, after 8 o’clock, she read out the lineup for the morning, including this gem of crazed political correctness: “After eleven, breast cancer and what it’s like for a man when their partner is diagnosed….”
Then it’s on to business. Her first guest was Professor Martin Jacques, a British expert on China and author of When China Rules the World: The Rise of the Middle Kingdom and the End of the Western World.
Remember, Suzy Ferguson is quite happy to parrot the most prejudicial and demeaning language cooked up by government spin-doctors to taunt political dissenters in the West. This morning, however, she appears to have changed her spots about human rights: her questions, even about business and economic matters, all come with an anti-Chinese Government slant. Eventually, her crass questioning gets under the skin of her guest….
MARTIN JACQUES: The Chinese will not be lectured by the West. I have not heard you say ANYTHING that acknowledges the immense progress China has made since 1978.
…..[Awkward hiatus]…..
SUSIE FERGUSON: I’m asking you why you’re such a fan.
A little later, the crass and insidious comments continue….
MARTIN JACQUES: The internet has revolutionized Chinese knowledge. SUSIE FERGUSON: But in a limited wayyyyyy….
[…..A little later…..]
SUSIE FERGUSON: As Chinese power increases, how do you think the West will react? [She seems unfazed by Dr. Jacques’ irritated silence and presses on] I mean, do you think the West will take it lying down?
The “interview” winds down to an ignominious end, but Susie Ferguson’s mission is not over yet. She takes what I imagine she thinks is revenge by reading out a few telegrams….
SUSIE FERGUSON: There are quite a few texts and e-mails. He’s provoked quite a bit of feedback has Dr. Jacques! Walter writes: “China executes more people than any other country. What they’ve done to Tibet is what they could do to us.” Neil writes: “We should be very cautious….”
Appointing Susie Ferguson to Saturday mornings, even if it is just for a couple of weeks, amounts to gross failure in a time slot listeners have come to presume will be four hours of quality radio.
Thanks for linking to those older threads, Morrissey, somehow I managed to completely miss the multiple examples of how non “word-perfect” your “transcripts” truly are.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them, and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.
Your disaffection with me came suddenly, and it had nothing to do with questions of accuracy. It came after I had the temerity to lampoon people who you supported. For instance, there was my transcription of an interview with the hapless Hekia Parata, back before she was Minister of Education…. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-30082011/#comment-369467
For some reason you have failed to convince anyone on this forum of, you backed the hapless Ms. Parata and her deepwater drilling plans. You also objected to my transcript of a outlandish, bizarre television appearance by Air New Zealand CEO Rob Fyfe, when he assured New Zealanders that Tokyo was “perfectly safe” even while the Japanese government was on the brink of ordering the evacuation of the city…. http://thestandard.org.nz/meltdown-at-fukushima/#comment-314634
Your objections to my transcripts are ideological. You need to be honest.
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
So I’ll reply up to the point I stopped reading:
“When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them,”
Yes, because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions. I’ve done several transcriptions of various things myself over time and I know how much effort goes into making them. So I was thankful that someone was transcribing snippets from National Radio, snippets that 95% of the time I don’t get a chance to hear, so was glad for them to be recorded.
My praise lasted up until I actually heard an interview myself that you had “transcribed”, and I discovered just how loose your “transcriptions” were.
“and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.”
More flowery waffle on your part. I didn’t “recognise” that you “capture[d] the essential quality of the discussions”, I thought they were actual transcriptions, as I describe above.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
“Literally” stopped reading, did you? You know, embellishing a lie in such a childish manner doesn’t change the fact it’s a lie. “Literally”. As they’d respond on the Panel: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
….because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions.
They were accurate, and they continue to be accurate, and you know it.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
You are, to put it politely, disingenuous. You were outraged that my transcript had shown up Parata in all her bumbling incoherence and vacuity. The highlight of that grim interview was when she claimed that the National government’s oil drilling “policy” had “a variety of various variables”. You actually support the moronic policies she was so ineptly espousing that day, and even more moronic ones than that, as shown by your defiant insistence that the Fukushima catastrophe was being over-hyped by greenies.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I am more than happy for people to compare our respective credibility, or lack of it. My transcripts ARE reliable—-I couldn’t dream up characters who exhibit the cruelty, moral turpitude, vanity, pomposity or stupidity of people like Chris Trotter, Stephen Franks, Garth McVicar or any of the other people who I pin down for posterity.
You would be quite justified if you had pointed out that I make minor errors now and again, but you have unwisely chosen to exaggerate, demean and distort what I do. I am not a liar, I did not make up Hekia Parata’s hopelessness, or Rob Fyfe’s surreal brand of idiocy. You for some bizarre reason support those fools. Don’t try to pretend that your attempts to undermine me are anything more than ideologically motivated spite.
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
In our rush to exploit the Chinese people for our own benefits, we are too quick to overlook at the actions of the governing regime that facilitates this exploitation.
To quote from a Guardian review of Jacque’s book:
Western states frequently do not meet their own standards any more than China does. But I agree with Rousseau, Kant and Paine that all human beings have a sense of self and are thus worthy of equal respect as individuals, as I agree with Aristotle and Plato about the importance of due desert underpinning justice. There is a universal hunger for these values which does not stop at China’s borders because of some mystical adherence to Asian values. We all want to live lives we have reason to value – whether we are Chinese or British.
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
Indeed.
The country with the second highest absolute numbers of enslaved is China, with an estimated 2,800,000 to 3,100,000 in modern slavery. The China country study5 suggests that this includes the forced labour of men, women and children in many parts of the economy, including domestic servitude and forced begging, the sexual exploitation of women and children, and forced marriage.
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
Chinese do not have trade unions, environmental regulations, labour laws or social safety nets, and its massive slave workforce keeps wages down all over the world.
As I said before on this site. It is not Reagan or Thatcher that western boardrooms should be thanking. It is Deng Xiaopeng.
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
You are correct, millsy. We also need to understand why the Chinese have nothing but contempt for people like Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who presume to lecture them about human rights.
I’d like the USA to remain as the dominant superpower but I’m not bothered if/when China take over as was shown with how they’ve handled Hong Kong they seem quite pragmatic
I’d like the USA to remain as the dominant superpower
In a lot of ways this would be a good thing but we have seen now is the US is essentially captured as a state within a state which cannot even govern itself or look after its own people. It’s not good to see.
In reality, only the banks and those with many properties benefit from high house prices: high prices mean that people will have to take out larger mortgages for longer periods of time, which means more money in interest payments for the banks.
Because the banks have a license to print money. If we want affordable housing we need to rescind that license.
It’s not that simple moron. We really do need to support our society, what we don’t need is a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us through charging interest.
What definition of the word security/collateral are you using?
I’m using the standard financial definition which is an asset that can be leveraged against in order to secure additional funding. The $1.6B used to bail out SCF does not fall into the category of being such an asset.
When the GFC started the government instituted the Retail Depositors Scheme. Now, the financial institutions that went into the scheme paid some amount to do so but there’s no way that they paid in enough to even cover the $1.6b used to cover the failure of SFC. The security used to raise the extra was the taxpayers of NZ.
No it’s not. It’s exactly what was being discussed. The banks get to loan out as much money as they can until they collapse at which point the government will step in to bail them out.
No, the problem is still the same. Due to the intertwined nature of the global financial system if one bank goes down it’s possible that it would take several others with it and they won’t necessarily be in the same country. The “losses” will be counted in the tens to to hundreds of billions if not more. That’s why the governments of the world stepped in when the banking system failed in 2007/8 and also why our government stepped in when the BNZ failed (sometime around the same time period the US government did the same for a failing bank in the US).
The governments are absolutely terrified of the private banks failing and thus the banks have an implicit government guarantee. A guarantee that is backed by the taxpayers.
Dare I say it taxes are a type of ‘fraud and usuary’ of governments. The worker pays taxes then also banks his/her savings and is actively encouraged by governments to do so eg. kiwisaver schemes. Governments/treasuries/ Reserve Banks actually have no money- it is a fiction, hence so are government guarantees ( e.g. bonds, Retail depositor schemes)
Paper money, cheques, Eftpos, bonds, guarantees……They are all “currency”, a figment of imagination from the source onto the the end of the money trail – you; the taxpayer and the worker who re-circulates it.
In terms of currency, accrual and flow (tax revenues included are used by private banks in the flow of currency- it isn’t idiocy CV), there is no difference between private banks or central banks and the massive ‘con-job’ between Governments and banks colluding to ‘bleed society to death’ ( UT).
Also true words “a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us …” but not just in interest charges DTB- as a type of ‘fraud’ happens before we are paying bank fees, interest etc . It is our savings that are being used without consent and then we give the banks fees for the priviledge of having the workers money
– “Never in human history have so many been plundered by so few..”
Released recently part 3 of “Hidden Secrets of Money”
The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind – Maloney.M. 2013
Personally- not a big hidden secret but more likely a concept that has not been well understood by the ‘worker’. Found this video and its visuals a great way to illustrate the myth of there being money, with easy to understand terminology of money ‘mumbo-jumbo’.
travellerev posted “Shade” the Motion Picture link recently too. Adds further dimensions to the discussions and understandings of who are the global “controllers”. Worth due time to watch.
Yes, Mr Shearer’s input was very pleasant, funny and quite enjoyable! Comes across as a nice, witty and clever guy. Shows how being a leader was so onerous and restrictive to his usual persona.
In the clip his input is right at the start of the programme in this episode which itself he began and then again at 7′ onwards when he was grilled and gave his winning responses.
Chris (“Haw Haw”) Trotter is something of a left/liberal icon in this country, and a political north star for many Standardisti, who clearly set their own bearings by what he says and writes. Generally Trotter writes well and contributes valuable insights. However, like all of us, he is certainly not perfect. In 2007 he suffered a public dressing down from John Minto after he (Trotter) had made some ignorant comments backing the police raids in the Urewera country. Minto damned his comments as “shallow”, “pompous”, “weak” and “potentially damaging” to the victims of the raids…. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0710/S00415.htm
Since then, Trotter has got worse, not better. As a regular guest on Jim Mora’s Panel, he has slotted in seamlessly with that show’s glib and casually cruel zeitgeist; Trotter has been one of the more heartless taunters of political dissidents like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden…. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14062013/#comment-648511
But such irresponsible, craven behaviour, such gross misjudgements and failures of empathy have done little to shake the faith of Trotter’s most dedicated followers. They stayed on board, even after he delivered a windy and pompous admonition of those who might dare to criticise the infamous jury verdict in the Trayvon Martin case.
In shock and horror at what I heard, I provided a rush transcript of Trotter’s fustian lecture. Of course, not having a working tape recorder, and not being an expert in shorthand, I didn’t get it one hundred per cent correct. That’s all that the Trotteristi needed; they piled on with the ferocity of Red Guards going after a capitalist running dog, hammering on the fact that I hadn’t captured the great orator’s words perfectly….. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-668899
Despite that, this writer (i.e., moi) is always willing to concede that his critics have a point, and in a spirit of reconciliation, I acknowledged that. One of my critics has been our friend McFlock, and after he took the trouble to actually provide a transcript of Trotter’s infamous words, I acknowledged his efforts….
MORRISSEY: Thanks for transcribing that, McFlock. I can see that I missed a lot, and you have a valid point in disagreeing with my interpretation of Trotter’s comments. I did render his words a little more pointedly than they actually were. However, I think that even when you compare my admittedly imperfect rush “transcript” to your word-perfect transcript, I have captured the essential pomposity of his speaking style and the gist of his admonition to the lesser mortals in the studio to respect that outrageous verdict in Florida. Trotter was speaking slowly and sententiously, as if he was defending the Western system of justice; what he was actually doing was defending a grievous miscarriage of justice. His suggestion that there were “items of evidence which would raise reasonable doubt I think in most people’s minds” was not backed up at all, and disappointingly, Noelle McCarthy failed to demand he did so.
You are right to time the silences; they’re not as long as I recalled them in my mind, but they are significant nonetheless. Noelle McCarthy was, I believe, genuinely lost for words after listening to that. So was I.
The response, however, did not burnish our friend’s diplomatic credentials….
McFLOCK: oh fuck off. So let’s say you “captured” trotter’s pompousness (personally, I think you overstated it). That means that you are (at best) a dadaesque caricaturist of discourse. So are all the claims as to near word perfect accuracy simply self-delusion, or are you trying to mimic Sacha baron Cohen’s immersion satire? http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712089
Readers with an IQ above room temperature will note that McFlock attempts to derail and inflame the discussion by comparing my serious (and admittedly imperfect) criticism of a media commentator with the behaviour of a callous and brutally dishonest propagandist/comedian.
But let’s save the discussion of provocative hate-comedians like Bernard Manning, Andrew Dice Clay and Sacha Baron Cohen for another day.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
And I chose SBC because he is known for constantly staying in character, much in the same way that you stay in the character of stupid dickhead.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
My transcripts—occasionally a little too slapdash and impressionistic for some tastes—-are done quickly and published very soon after the offending broadcast. I am more than happy for you or anyone else to provide a word-perfect transcript for people to compare and contrast with mine. As we saw with my rendition of Chris Trotter’s infamous defence of shonky Deep South juries, my version is usually pretty much spot on. Of course people can quibble about whether I described the timbre of his voice fairly, or whether I effectively evoked the horrified silence that fell over the people he was admonishing, but the determined effort by a few hardline Trotteristi was, and remains, an exercise in attempted political assassination. In a non-frightening, Standard sort of way, of course.
Yes Chris. Did you see the part where whale was implying that Orsman had made up quotes from Whale? ie, the part where whale had been tweeting nonsense based on the same mistake Fish made?
The Auckland Mayoral debacle is a serious diversion away from really serious issues – one of which is the lack of investment in essential infrastructure in the South Island. On SH1, the main route from Picton to NZ’s second city, there’s an old rickety, single lane bridge over a major river. Up till fairly recently all traffic on SH1 had to cross an even more rickety old 2 tier bridge with the railway line on the top tier. the train still goes across it.
When the mighty Waimakirirri River is in flood, the old wooden bridge at Kaiapoi has to be closed in case it gets washed away, leaving just the motorway bridge. Cyclists just have to wait until the river drops or they can get a lift across the motorway bridge.
Matters are exacerbated when the Ashley River is in flood and the old bridge at Rangiora has to be closed for safety reasons which diverts all traffic north of the river onto SH1. When both rivers are in flood as happened last week – there are just two ways into ChCh by road from the north – the SH1 bridge and the old one lane gorge bridge 90kms upstream.
And that’s aside from the implications to SH1 and the only railway line – of landslides or tsunami pretty much all the way from Blenheim to Cheviot.
We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.
And, yes, NZ is represented as having slaves, approximately 500.
Depends entirely on the definition of “slave”. I would suggest that America has many many more than 60,000. There’s a whole economy based on low-paid ($1-3 hour) prison inmates that produce massive amounts of products cheaply, including large amounts of military hardware such as uniforms and basic equipment. To the point that states trade prison inmates between themselves in order to fulfill government contracts…
Probably a combination of sex slaves and workers in slave like conditions (technically paid but the bills that the employer charges the employed are more than the pay) all of which will be foreign born. We here of some of these in the news every now and then but for some reason they’re not called what they are.
Judith Collins is going to speak to the China Executive Leadership Academy about government transparency and accountability. Is she aware of the irony of a Minister of a sly, secretive, unwilling to accept accountability ‘government’ talking about those subjects? A bit like Ruth Richardson and Roger Douglas talking to foreign governments about economic stewardship- what a fucking joke.
DUTCH KING TELLS THE POOR: “BUILD YOUR OWN SAFETY NETS”
No, this is not a Monty Python sketch. The King of the Netherlands, Willem-Alexander announced the end of the welfare state in a speech written by the government. But while the population of the Netherlands has faced some of the most severe austerity measures in Europe, the monarchy has cut nothing from the £31m it receives from the taxpayer each year – overtaking the Windsors as the most expensive monarchy in Europe…..
What has happened in Auckland in the last 3-4years? People on the street and on the beach are so defensive so as to scare other people away. People hog the footpath so I have to walk on the road. What happened to altruism, manners, thoughtfulness? I wonder if it’s like this in other Western countries.
NZ slaves are on Korean fishing boats thank to National delaying implementation of new rules preventing such conditions.
Other slaves on farm labour are made to work huge hours 80 hrs plus only getting paid 40 to 45 hrs.
National again don’t bother funding osh labour dept mobie
Forestry workers made to work long unsafe hours killing workers!
Religious fundamentalists such as thr exclusive bretheren who force marriages force labour again National implicated!
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National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Orderimage, ...
Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
Waiting In The Wings:For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSAannounced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
Te Rangi e tu nei (The sky above us) Te Papa e takoto nei (The land beneath us) Tatou katoa te hunga ora (To us all the living) Tena koutou katoa (Greetings) ...
A late change to charter school legislation will cheat educators out of fair pay and negotiating power proving charter schools are just a vehicle to make profit out of our education system. ...
In 2004 te iwi Māori rallied against the Crown’s attempt to confiscate our coastlines and moana with the Foreshore and Seabed Act. This led to the largest hīkoi of a generation and the birth of Te Pāti Māori. 20 years later, history is repeating itself. Today the government has announced ...
It has been five and a half years since the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care was established to investigate the abuse of children, young people, and vulnerable adults within state and faith-based institutions. Yesterday, the final report - Whanaketia through pain and trauma, from darkness to light ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to take action off the back of the International Court of Justice ruling on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine. ...
On Friday the International Court of Justice reaffirmed what Palestinian’s have been telling us for decades: that the occupation and colonisation of Palestinian lands by Israel is illegal and must end immediately. They also called for reparations for Palestinian’s who have lived under Israeli occupation since it began in 1967. ...
Labour calls on the Government to act after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territories is illegal. ...
The 53.7 percent rise in benefit sanctions over the last year is more proof of this Government’s disdain for our communities most in need of support. ...
Aotearoa could be a country where every child grows up feeling safe, loved and with a sense of belonging in their whānau and community. But for some of our children, this is far from reality. Instead, they are trapped in a maze of intergenerational harm that they can’t escape on ...
Te Pāti Māori are calling for David Seymour to resign as Associate Health Minister in response to his call for Pharmac to ignore the Treaty of Waitangi. “This announcement is just another example of the government’s anti-Tiriti, anti-Māori agenda.” Said Co-leader and spokesperson for health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. “Seymour thinks it ...
The soaring price of renting is driving the rise of inflation in this country - with latest figures from Stats NZ showing rents are up 4.8 per cent on average while annual inflation is at 3.3 per cent. ...
National’s Emissions Reduction Plan will take New Zealand further from the economy we need to ensure the next generation has a stable climate and secure livelihoods. ...
Following consultation with named parties and thorough consideration of privacy interests, the Green Party is in a position to release the Executive Summary of the final report from the independent investigation into Darleen Tana. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon should be asking serious questions of his Minister for Resources Shane Jones now it’s been revealed he misled the public about a dinner with mining companies that he didn’t declare and said wasn’t pre-arranged. ...
Te Pāti Māori have submitted to the Justice Select Committee against the Sentencing (Reinstating Three Strikes) Amendment Bill. The bill will further entrench racism in our justice system and fails to focus on rehabilitation. “Reinstating Three Strikes will empower a systematically racist system and exacerbate the overrepresentation of Māori in ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee is set to make a determination on the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill in the coming weeks. “This legislation will give landlords the power to kick our whānau out onto the street for no reason” said Housing spokesperson, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “Their solution to the housing ...
“National’s campaign was about tackling crime and the best they can do is a two-year long Ministerial Advisory Group,” Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...
“There are more examples of charter schools failing their students than there are success stories. The coalition Government is driving to dismantle our public school system and instead promote a privatised, competitive structure that puts profits before kids,” Jan Tinetti said. ...
“This government is choosing to deliberately mislead and withhold information, keeping our people in the dark about this government’s agenda and the future of our mokopuna,” said co-leader and spokesperson for Health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. The call comes after the demand from the Chief Ombudsman that Associate Minister of Health, Casey ...
“Today’s climate announcement by Simon Watts makes clear the National Government is simply paying lip service to meeting its climate change targets,” Megan Woods said. ...
National is choosing to make life harder for workers by taking away the rights our communities have fought hard for. Here's how they’re taking workers backwards. ...
Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue. We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views. “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
Tēnā tātou katoa, Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts. “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “Indonesia is important to New Zealand’s security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,” says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
He aha te kai a te rangatira? He kōrero, he kōrero, he kōrero. The government has reaffirmed its commitment to supporting the aspirations of Ngāti Maniapoto, Minister for Māori Development Tama Potaka says. “My thanks to Te Nehenehenui Trust – Ngāti Maniapoto for bringing their important kōrero to a ministerial ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has thanked outgoing Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority, Janice Fredric, for her service to the board.“I have received Ms Fredric’s resignation from the role of Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority,” Mr Brown says.“On behalf of the Government, I want to thank Ms Fredric for ...
The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliament’s test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “Section 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour says that opposition parties have united in bad faith, opposing what they claim are ‘dangerous changes’ to the Early Childhood Education sector, despite no changes even being proposed yet. “Issues with affordability and availability of early childhood education, and the complexity of its regulation, has led ...
After receiving more than 740 submissions in the first 20 days, Regulation Minister David Seymour is asking the Ministry for Regulation to extend engagement on the early childhood education regulation review by an extra two weeks. “The level of interest has been very high, and from the conversations I’ve been ...
The Coalition Government is investing $802.9 million into the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines as part of a funding agreement with the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA), KiwiRail, and the Greater Wellington and Horizons Regional Councils to deliver more reliable services for commuters in the lower North Island, Transport Minister Simeon ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced his intention to appoint a Crown Manager to both Hawke’s Bay Regional and Wairoa District Councils to speed up the delivery of flood protection work in Wairoa."Recent severe weather events in Wairoa this year, combined with damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in 2023 have ...
Mr Speaker, this is a day that many New Zealanders who were abused in State care never thought would come. It’s the day that this Parliament accepts, with deep sorrow and regret, the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care. At the heart of this report are the ...
For the first time, the Government is formally acknowledging some children and young people at Lake Alice Psychiatric Hospital experienced torture. The final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care “Whanaketia – through pain and trauma, from darkness to light,” was tabled in Parliament ...
The Government has acknowledged the nearly 2,400 courageous survivors who shared their experiences during the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care. The final report from the largest and most complex public inquiry ever held in New Zealand, the Royal Commission Inquiry “Whanaketia – through ...
With a week to go before hard-working New Zealanders see personal income tax relief for the first time in fourteen years, 513,000 people have used the Budget tax calculator to see how much they will benefit, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis. “Tax relief is long overdue. From next Wednesday, personal income ...
Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden says a bill that has passed its first reading will improve parental leave settings and give non-biological parents more flexibility as primary carer for their child. The Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill (No3), passed its first reading this morning. “It includes a change ...
Two Bills designed to improve regulation and make it easier to do business have passed their first reading in Parliament, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. The Regulatory Systems (Economic Development) Amendment Bill and Regulatory Systems (Immigration and Workforce) Amendment Bill make key changes to legislation administered by the Ministry ...
New legislation paves the way for greater competition in sectors such as banking and electricity, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. “Competitive markets boost productivity, create employment opportunities and lift living standards. To support competition, we need good quality regulation but, unfortunately, a recent OECD report ranked New ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says lotteries for charitable purposes, such as those run by the Heart Foundation, Coastguard NZ, and local hospices, will soon be allowed to operate online permanently. “Under current laws, these fundraising lotteries are only allowed to operate online until October 2024, after which ...
The Coalition Government is accelerating work on the new four-lane expressway between Auckland and Whangārei as part of its Roads of National Significance programme, with an accelerated delivery model to deliver this project faster and more efficiently, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “For too long, the lack of resilient transport connections ...
Sir Don McKinnon will travel to Viet Nam this week as a Special Envoy of the Government, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “It is important that the Government give due recognition to the significant contributions that General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong made to New Zealand-Viet Nam relations,” Mr ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says newly appointed Commissioner, Grant Illingworth KC, will help deliver the report for the first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons, due on 28 November 2024. “I am pleased to announce that Mr Illingworth will commence his appointment as ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters travels to Laos this week to participate in a series of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-led Ministerial meetings in Vientiane. “ASEAN plays an important role in supporting a peaceful, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific,” Mr Peters says. “This will be our third visit to ...
Construction of a new mental health facility at Te Nikau Grey Hospital in Greymouth is today one step closer, Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says. “This $27 million facility shows this Government is delivering on its promise to boost mental health care and improve front line services,” Mr Doocey says. ...
New Zealand is committing nearly $50 million to a package supporting sustainable Pacific fisheries development over the next four years, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This support consisting of a range of initiatives demonstrates New Zealand’s commitment to assisting our Pacific partners ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour says proposed changes to the Education and Training Amendment Bill will ensure charter schools have more flexibility to negotiate employment agreements and are equipped with the right teaching resources. “Cabinet has agreed to progress an amendment which means unions will not be able to initiate ...
In response to serious concerns around oversight, overspend and a significant deterioration in financial outlook, the Board of Health New Zealand will be replaced with a Commissioner, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti announced today. “The previous government’s botched health reforms have created significant financial challenges at Health NZ that, without ...
Minister for Space and Science, Innovation and Technology Judith Collins will travel to Adelaide tomorrow for space and science engagements, including speaking at the Australian Space Forum. While there she will also have meetings and visits with a focus on space, biotechnology and innovation. “New Zealand has a thriving space ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts will travel to China on Saturday to attend the Ministerial on Climate Action meeting held in Wuhan. “Attending the Ministerial on Climate Action is an opportunity to advocate for New Zealand climate priorities and engage with our key partners on climate action,” Mr Watts says. ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is travelling to the Solomon Islands tomorrow for meetings with his counterparts from around the Pacific supporting collective management of the region’s fisheries. The 23rd Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Committee and the 5th Regional Fisheries Ministers’ Meeting in Honiara from 23 to 26 July ...
The Government today launched the Military Style Academy Pilot at Te Au rere a te Tonga Youth Justice residence in Palmerston North, an important part of the Government’s plan to crackdown on youth crime and getting youth offenders back on track, Minister for Children, Karen Chhour said today. “On the ...
The Government has welcomed news the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has begun work to replace nine priority bridges across the country to ensure our state highway network remains resilient, reliable, and efficient for road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“Increasing productivity and economic growth is a key priority for the ...
Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “New Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says. “We are pleased to be finding more ways ...
New developments in the heart of North Island forestry country will reinvigorate their communities and boost economic development, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones visited Kaingaroa and Kawerau in Bay of Plenty today to open a landmark community centre in the former and a new connecting road in ...
President Adeang, fellow Ministers, honourable Diet Member Horii, Ambassadors, distinguished guests. Minasama, konnichiwa, and good afternoon, everyone. Distinguished guests, it’s a pleasure to be here with you today to talk about New Zealand’s foreign policy reset, the reasons for it, the values that underpin it, and how it ...
Last summer when Matairangi burned, Ginny and Tom stood at the window of their lounge, watching kākā shoot skyward from the burning trees. From the distance, they looked to Ginny like pages torn from books and thrown into a bonfire. It was Tom, voice tight, who told her it was ...
Opinion: The Canadian short story writer Alice Munro – winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2013 – died in May at the age of 92. Her work was about “the damage people inflict on one another in the name of love”, Deborah Treisman wrote in the New Yorker. ...
This month marks two years since the most powerful telescope ever built sent its first pictures back to earth. From its lofty vantage point, beyond the moon in orbit around the sun, the James Webb Space Telescope was tuned to observe the first stars and galaxies being born soon after ...
Comment: After Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ preview several weeks ago, I had some optimism about the Government’s emissions reduction plan. Now I’ve read the discussion document, that hope has been dashed. How can the Government propose a plan that wants to take New Zealand taxpayers’ hard-earned money, and spend ...
Christopher Luxon: hurdles The little man from National jumps hurdles in his sleep. He’s quite good at it in his dreams and even though the reality doesn’t quite match up you have to give him credit for getting up every morning and crashing into the very first hurdle of the ...
Comment: It was a good two hours into the conversation when Tyrone Marks raised the most basic of questions when I first spoke to him in 2017. “They didn’t explain the things they did to me. They never told me why. And they still haven’t. There’s no explanation for it. ...
Madeleine Chapman rounds out Death Week on The Spinoff with a final recommendation. You can read all of our Death Week coverage here. Nothing forces you to reflect on your life and relationships quite like proximity to death. For those whose nearest and dearest have died, there are reasonably obvious ...
Whitney Greene takes us through her life in television, including the TV character she’d like to plan a funeral for and her cow lung catastrophe on The Traitors NZ. “If the phone rings, I have to answer it,” Whitney Greene from The Traitors NZ warns as we begin our My ...
Maddie Ballard reviews the debut essay collection of Pōneke writer Flora Feltham.In ‘The Raw Material’, the longest essay in Flora Feltham’s dazzling debut collection, the author heads out for a run after hours of weaving and sees the world turn to textile. “Pounding along the Parade, I saw the ...
Andy Christiansen, one half of the experimental rock-pop duo TRiPS, shares the tunes inspiring the band’s perfect weekend and new release. “Good speakers, good food, good music, no distractions”: that’s all you need to enjoy the psychedelic stylings of TRiPS, a new band formed by Fly My Pretties’ Barnaby Weir ...
Celebrating our quadrennial opportunity to become experts in a bunch of sports we never normally watch.The games of the XXXIII Olympiad are upon us. Paris will host this year’s showcase of sporting and athletic prowess, which means some late-night and early-morning viewing for us in Aotearoa.But what sports ...
The photograph is striking and beautiful, but also disturbing – a reminder that my love for John was often entangled in shame.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.In the spring of 1980, in Dunedin, shortly before his death, someone took a photograph ...
Get to know Babushka, our latest Dog of the Month. This feature was offered as a reward during our What’s Eating Aotearoa PledgeMe campaign. Thank you to Babu’s humans, Jo and Isabel, for their support. Dog name: Babushka (Babu for short) Age: 2Breed: Border Collie X poodleIf rescued, ...
Pacific Media Watch A Lebanese photojournalist who was severely wounded during an Israeli air strike in south Lebanon carried the Olympic torch in Paris this week in honour of her peers who have been wounded and killed in the field — especially in Gaza and Lebanon. Christina Assi of Agence ...
The first report in a five-part web series focused on the 15th Triennial Conference of Pacific Women taking place in the Marshall Islands this week.SPECIAL REPORT:By Netani Rika in Majuro Women continue to fight for justice 70 years after the first nuclear tests by the United States caused ...
Christopher Luxon has joined with Australia and Canada's leaders in voicing support for US President Joe Biden's ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The 2022 election brought the “teal wave” into parliament. The next election will test whether teals, who occupy what were Liberal seats, and other independents can maintain their momentum. Joining us on the Podcast ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ian Musgrave, Senior lecturer in Pharmacology, University of Adelaide Pixavri/Shutterstock A major Federal Court class action has been dismissed this week after Justice Michael Lee ruled there was not enough evidence to prove the weedkiller Roundup causes cancer. Plaintiff Kelvin ...
In The Week in Politics: politicians have to decide what to do about child abuse, Health NZ is booked in for major surgery and Darleen Tana returns. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clare Corbould, Associate Professor, Contemporary Histories Research Group, Deakin University Mainstream media are surprisingly muted at the prospect of the world’s most powerful nation being led for the first time by a woman – specifically a woman of colour, Vice President Kamala ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rebecca Bennett, PhD Student, Associate Research Fellow, Deakin University Last week, a drone delivery company called Wing (owned by Google’s parent company, Alphabet) started operating in Melbourne. Some 250,000 residents in parts of the city’s eastern suburbs can now order food from ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jonathan Foo, Lecturer, Physiotherapy, Monash University pikselstock/Shutterstock In the next 40 years in Australia, it’s predicted the number of Australians aged 65 and over will more than double, while the number of people aged 85 and over will more than triple. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Katrina Grant, Research Associate, Power Institute for Arts and Visual Culture, University of Sydney Jonas Åkerström’s 1790 work, Session of the Accademia dell’Arcadia on August 17 1788.Nationalmuseum/Cecilia Heisser Ever wondered whether you’d have a better chance at winning an Olympic gold ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alexandra Jones, Program Lead, Food Governance, George Institute for Global Health wavebreakmedia/Shutterstock On Thursday, Australian and New Zealand food ministers at state, federal and national levels met to thrash out what’s next for health star ratings on packaged foods. Now, after ...
The Abuse in Care report found many Pacific survivors lost their connections to their culture and language, resulting in trauma that has been carried from generation to generation. ...
In the regulatory review, ECC intends to suggest that ERO focus on curriculum delivery reviews rather than the Ministry, because it’s not efficient or effective to have two agencies with radically different approaches climbing over each other. ...
Te Rūnanga Nui o Ngā Kura Kaupapa Māori invites the current government to work in partnership with them to develop a pathway forward, including the development of a parallel pathway and meaningful policy and strategy for Kura Kaupapa Māori ...
If you haven’t started watching yet, Tara Ward begs you to reconsider. This is an excerpt from our weekly pop culture newsletter Rec Room. Sign up here. In the world of New Zealand reality television, we have many gems in our crown. There’s the delicious second season of the Celebrity Treasure ...
A new poem by Fiona Kidman. The clothes of the dead I did not keep my mother’s furry red beret for long nor the stringy scarves that adorned the necks of my aunts, although I have kept tag ends of gold, the rings and trinkets they wore, the brooches no ...
The government’s announcement that it will re-open the foreshore and seabed controversy by changing the rules on recognising centuries-old Māori customary title for a third time goes against the rule of law and New Zealand values,” Mr Tipa says. ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Lioness by Emily Perkins (Bloomsbury, $25) Roarrrr! Perkins’ brilliant, award-winning, Marian-Keyes anointed, darkly funny, long ...
The 2004 Act vested ownership of the foreshore and seabed in the Crown, extinguishing any Māori claims to ownership and causing widespread outrage and protests among Māori communities. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Antje Deckert, Associate Professor (Criminology), Auckland University of Technology Getty Images Despite the connection between institutional harm and gang membership made clear in this week’s mammoth royal commission abuse-in care report, the government seems unlikely to soften its “get tough on ...
From Lewis Clareburt in the swimming to the start of the rowing – the first seven days of Paris 2024 promise to be big for New Zealand. There are few events that bring the country together quite like an Olympic Games. Nothing quite matches the excitement of getting up in ...
Groundbreaking local science just showed up in the most surprising of places: the season finale of The Kardashians. In the season five finale of The Kardashians last night, several members of the family gathered together in one of their signature empty, cream-coloured rooms to hear test results that had been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amin Saikal, Emeritus professor of Middle Eastern and Central Asian Studies, Australian National University The Middle East is on the brink of a possibly devastating regional war, with hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah reaching an extremely dangerous level. Washington has engaged in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Laura Elizabeth Eades, Rheumatologist, Monash University Lupus is an inflammatory autoimmune illness, where the body’s immune system mistakenly attacks itself. Lupus can affect virtually any part of the body, although it most commonly affects the skin, joints and kidneys. The symptoms ...
A law firm that specialises in working with survivors of abuse in State care is disappointed that the Government fails to recognise that its boot camps can be directly compared to previous boot camps from the 1990s and 2000s. ...
Dying is a natural part of life, like updating your Wof or seeing your hairdresser, but without the word-of-mouth recs that help guarantee a good service. What if we changed that? Dying Reviews received by The Spinoff have had the names of organisations redacted while Hospice NZ collects further data. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jonti Horner, Professor (Astrophysics), University of Southern Queensland Mike Lewinski/Flickr, CC BY On any clear night, if you gaze skywards long enough, chances are you’ll see a meteor streaking through the sky. Some nights, however, are better than others. At ...
Despite having no bars or other designated spaces for lesbians, Auckland boasts a small but mighty lesbian museum. So how did it get here? The past 18 months has brought increasing hostility towards the queer community across Aotearoa. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull’s anti-trans rally in Tamaki Makaurau last March led to a ...
Poneke Antifascist Coalition has invited Wellingtonians to stand in solidarity with the Kanak people at 12pm today outside the French Embassy in Wellington. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Layton, Visiting Fellow, Strategic Studies, Griffith University Drones are the signature technology of the Ukraine war. A few miniature aircraft designs were used in the war’s early days, but an incredible array of drones have now evolved. There are different types, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Slee, Associate Professor, Clinical Academic Neurologist, Flinders University Francisco Gonzelez/Unsplash Migraine is many things, but one thing it’s not is “just a headache”. “Migraine” comes from the Greek word “hemicrania”, referring to the common experience of migraine being predominantly ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Lee White, Senior Lecturer and Horizon Fellow, School of Social and Political Sciences, University of Sydney Australia was slow to introduce minimum building standards for energy efficiency. The Nationwide House Energy Rating Scheme (NatHERS) only came into force in 2003. Older homes ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Steven Sherwood, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, Climate Change Research Centre, UNSW Sydney The past century of human-induced warming has increased rainfall variability over 75% of the Earth’s land area – particularly over Australia, Europe and eastern North America, new research shows. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tony Heynen, Program Coordinator, Sustainable Energy, The University of Queensland A temporary stadium in the Champ-de-Mars, ParisEkaterina Pokrovsky/Shutterstock As Paris prepares to host the Olympic and Paralympic Games, the sustainability of the event is coming under scrutiny. The organisers have promoted ...
A night of karaoke and community in a pub that feels like a memory. You’d barely even notice it, unless you knew to look. Tucked away behind a liquor store on busy Constable Street is the capital’s last great pub. Newtown Sports Bar is an emblem of the pub culture ...
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For the love of cows, please make a submission!
The National Animal Welfare Advisory Committee (NAWAC) today released its recommendations about the welfare and housing of dairy cows. The draft code allows for the year round indoor confinement of dairy cows.
“NAWAC’s recommendations will condemn thousands of dairy cows to a life in crowded sheds on concrete floors. The animals will never walk on grass or experience life outdoors,” says SAFE Executive Director Hans Kriek. “NAWAC once again fails to uphold the principles of New Zealand’s animal welfare legislation and is legalising this country’s newest form of factory farming.”
“The Animal Welfare Act requires that animals be able to display their normal behaviour. Research shows that dairy cows graze between five and ten hours per day yet bizarrely NAWAC appears not to recognize grazing as an essential behavioural need. This is utterly ridiculous and brings into question the competence of this committee.”
SAFE is concerned that the proposed changes to the code of welfare for dairy cows will lead to a rapid intensification of the dairy industry and will result in increased suffering for the cows. In general, cows farmed indoors suffer from higher levels of mastitis and lameness than cows that have access to pasture.
TAKE ACTION
SAFE urges the public to speak out against the indoor housing of dairy cows by making a simple submission to the Ministry for Primary Industries.
Submissions close 3 December and should be sent to: awsubmission@mpi.govt.nz
or
NAWAC Secretary
Animal Welfare
Ministry for Primary Industries
PO Box 2526
Wellington 6140
Points to remember when making your submission:
• Grazing in a paddock is normal behaviour, and cows should be allowed to do it.
• Cows should not be confined for extended periods of time.
• Cows should be given shelter, as long as they are allowed to leave.
To read the full Consultation on Changes to the Dairy Cattle Code of Welfare 2010 visit http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz
The other side of this unfortunately is effluent running into our waterways. Herd homes can take cows off pasture, so there is a real positive side to this as well. Personally i think Herd homes may be an important factor in cleaning up our water ways at the same time as protecting our $15 billion dairy exports. Its a tough one though, cows in paddocks are preferable but they are killing our waterways. What are the other options?
Cows aren’t killing our waterways. Industrial dairy companies are, and regional councils are letting them. In general the public are letting them too.
Other options? Prioritise water over profit via regulation and legislation (regional councils, and the government should have a role in this too). If big business wants to make money, why let it do it at the expense of everyone else?
Adopt sustainable farming practices (whole range of options there). Factory farming cows is completely unecessary and is a step in completely the wrong direction (takes us away from sustainability). It will also create other problems in addition to the increased suffering of the animals. Putting alot of animals closely together in an indoor space creates health problems that require increasing technical interventions that have flow on effects (increased antibiotic use would be my first guess, and all the problems that go with that).
People who care about the environment (ie the waterways) need to look at the whole situation, not just the isolated bits.
+1
Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming. From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis. But the big thing about Herd homes is that they stop the cows pissing and shitting on the paddocks, this effluent is what is fucking up our water ways. There is also an amount of waterways pollution from nitrogen and phosphate fertilisers, but most of the waterways pollution comes from effluent. The effluent from the herd homes is then reapplied to the land scientifically to reduce the need for synthetic nitrogens and also to optimise its utilisation so that there is minimal run off into the waterways.
Wekka, Im not sure what you mean by “Industrial dairy companies are killing our waterways”??? Its the cows shitting and pissing on the paddocks, simple as that.
We put the cows there Saarbo, no point in blaming the cows. It’s a new phenomenon, all this shit in the water. The cows didn’t just waltz up and take over teh country side, did they. Who put them there? Who let that happen?
“From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis.”
25% less lameness than what?
“Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming.”
But they’re still locked in right? And they still have to stand in their own shit? And the farmers have to manage health and disease differently? What is the floor made from, concrete?
What are they being fed?
The big shed farm proposal in the McKenzie planned to keep 18,000 cows in stalls (not sure what’s happened with that).
Keep pushing the water is more important than animal welfare line and expect a big fight from a number of quarters.
Im not sure about the Mc kenzie proposal, 18000 cows housed sounds ugly, thats not what I am supporting here. Personally my belief is that any farm above 650 cows becomes to difficult to manage and ends up too hard on the people working on them, seldom the owners. that is why so many farms are using immigrants.
Herd homes are pretty new in NZ, but the ones I looked at the Field days were for farms in the 300 to 1000 cows and I was impressed with the way they dealt with effluent. They will provide a pretty good solution to the problem with water ways, which I think is dairy farmings biggest issue at the moment.
I think from a political point of view we need to continue to generate/protect export receipts from dairy farming and we need to deal with the problems dairy farms are causing to our environment. herd homes seem to achieve both…but concede that it is not as user friendly as putting cows in paddocks.
I guess what I am trying to say is people need to look at this closely before commenting because Herd homes do deal with some of our bigger problems.
By rejecting dairy farming altogether, well we will end up with a whole set of other issues then
.
Being allowed to permanently keep cattle inside is likely to intensify farming even more. If they can’t handle the level of effluent right now how on earth could they deal with this? It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.
One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??
Will be looking to any comments the Greenz make before I make my submission.
+1 …it is cruel to keep cows in sheds!!!!!…they should be able to roam free ….but the waterways must be protected ….only farm cows in environmentally safe ways and in environmentally sustainable areas…….ie …safeguard the rivers and aquifers
….look to diversify types of farming in other areas eg vegetarian /vegan crops and trees
Totally agree
I have 200+ chooks and theyre free to roam in and out their pens
i find animals kept inside cruel and it shouldnt be allowed
@ risildowgtn..
..and do you too macerate any young males..?..alive..?
..and do you consider that at all ‘cruel’..?
..and if not..why/how not..?
phillip ure..
Macerate in what? I’ve not heard of people macerating young male chooks live, but certain people do once they’re dead. It’s called marinating then, and no it’s not cruel (the animal is dead already).
Plants have feelings too btw. So do ecosystems. Monocropping soy to feed a world full of vegans would be an ecological crime as well as cruel.
@ weka..
“..At hatcheries, where egg laying hens are bred, the male chicks are not ‘profitable’.
Their very short lives end almost as soon as they begin – when they are gassed –
– or ground up alive (called a macerator)..”
i am sure risildowgtn will be able to fill us in on all the gruesome details..
..(sound effects and all..)
..phillip ure..
“Their very short lives end almost as soon as they begin – when they are gassed –
– or ground up alive (called a macerator)..”
Got a citation for that Phil? Not saying it doesn’t happen, but am concerned about your bias when it comes to food issues.
I agree that the young male issue is a problem for non-vegans. But it’s not insurmountable and doesn’t necessitate the world becoming vegan.
And as I’ve said a number of times now, veganism comes with it’s own set of cruelties. Are you willing to address those?
if you don’t like my evidence..weka..
..let google be yr friend..eh..?
..try googling ‘macerator’..eh..?
..it is the machine young male chicks are fed into..still alive..
..it grinds them into a paste..(while still alive..)
..(and like so much of the realities of flesh/fat-farming..
..it is kinda gruesome to watch..eh..?..)
..and from the worst commercial hen hell-houses..and to the touchy-feely-‘cruelty-free’ organic farms..
..they all macerate..
..’sunny-side up?’…
..’do you want some dead pig with that..?’..
..phillip ure..
It’s always struck me as being pretty quick way to go, really.
Probably less cruel than the animals that get killed in the vegan crop fields, that get runover or sliced in the harvesting machinery.
“It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.” Not quite, this will actually make our dairy farming more costly…but it has environmental benefits. Refer to my reply to Weka.
“One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??”
Meat farmers wont be doing this, only Dairy Farmers I understand.
@ Saarbo….I think so….re huge use of antibiotics….at least in the USA….I have a friend who left NZ a big meat eater …but is now a vegetarian in the States because the meat is so “disgusting”….We don’t want to go there if we want to preserve our elite /organic marketing edge…it would completely ruin the marketing NZ Pure & Green image for NZ
Yeah the Bloody Yanks would want the rest of the world to use that over processed muck that passes for food in the land of the Paranoid and Insane.
The kind of “food” over there is half the reason that they are paranoid and insane. Processed corn, flavored with corn syrup. Yum.
Actually a dietitian I read said that there are examples of the junk food over sugared etc can cause an overtired man to freak out and commit murder. She gave the example of long-distance truck driver deliberately driving into a building and killing members of the public. Particularly if he had been on uppers and downers.
Saarbo, i havn’t delved into how well kept dairy herds can be (are) yet, but will with a spare hour or two have a wee Google of the question,
I do not think that we should dismiss this form of farming out of hand, but, looking at how the chooks and pigs are treated by intensive indoor farming it’s easy to see why many have,
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’…
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’ if we want to allow increasing industrialisation of nature for the point of monetary profit for the few and at the expense of the many
fify
There is no way to farm industrial dairy sustainably. You can shift cows into sheds, at the expense of animal welfare, but you just create another set of problems because the whole endeavour is inherently about resource extraction not resource cycling. If having let them become so degraded NZ now wants to protect its waterways by fucking with some other part of nature, then we lose any remaining credibility we had with regards to sustainability and we deserve everything we get. People of ecological conscience need to think hard before buying into the sop being offered that is in essence factory farming cows.
Or to put it another way, there was an old lady who swallowed a fly… (get it?)
Please remember this has nothing whatsoever to do with feeding Kiwis. It’s purely (100% purely) about the greed of the few.
QFT
We need sustainability and that means all farms going to full organic.
Organic is great, but there would be a drop in production and export receipts, I think a good government needs to grow exports, any ideas DTB?
Why?
To obtain foreign currency to buy foreign goods and services with.
We can do all that here with our own resources, i.e, it’s better for the government to develop our economy rather than just doing more of the same thing.
Sure. But that’s a twenty year transition programme of import substitution. What do we do in the meantime?
Continue to trade but the goal should always be to minimise that trade rather than to maximize it.
“Organic is great, but there would be a drop in production and export receipts, I think a good government needs to grow exports, any ideas DTB?”
Yeah, I don’t know why we need to grow exports, esp in a peak-resources, AGW world (it’s crazy to be basing our economy and food production around that). However for the sake of argument, NZ could have been world leaders in export organic meat and dairy by now, and reaping the premium attached to that. The improvement in landcare would have boosted our clean, green NZ image for tourism marketing purposes too, not just in PR terms but in actual terms when people come here and experience the place for themselves. We wouldn’t be wasting huge amounts of rate payer funds in the regional councils trying to fix a problem that is now basically going to be very expensive (politically and financially) to fix. The cost of being able to swim in our rivers: priceless.
I’ve not seen an audit of this, but I also suspect where organic production means a drop in output, this is offset by the reduction in pollution remediation costs associated with industrial dairying. A ‘good’ government would be ensuring that farmers are able to make a living without that being at the expense of the environment and other people. They would also adopt an accounting model that measures the negative effects of farming and where that costs us at all levels.
+111
It puzzles me. If we move our cattle into barns are they suddenly going to shit less. If not then we will have roughly the same effluent to deal with as in pasture and I cannot see any farmer doing more than high pressure sluicing the stuff somewhere away from the barns. Is it still not going to end up on land somewhere ready to make its way to waterways?
Also what on earth will the cows be feed with. Will the farmer still be growing grass and processing it to feed for the cattle? If so then they will still over fertilize their land and the nitrates will still run off to waterworks.
I cannot see any solution here.
Ron, the effluent drops through the grating in the floor of the HH, there is no high pressure hosing, so very little water is used. The effluent is emptied twice a year and is spread on the farm as an alternative to synthetic fertilisers. Obviously this can be managed/optimised to reduce any run off into water ways.
The grass is harvested off the farm and fed to the cows in the HH.
…at least free-range is half way there to organic…..and providing the environment /waterways are not degraded is a good start
….+100 about being able to swim in our rivers is priceless!….and the tourists appreciate it, as well as the fish and birds
…barned dairy and beef herds will create more vegetarians/vegans for sure…as many Europeans and Americans are already becoming semi-vegetarian and housed factory produced animals disgusts them……and bang goes your market….and bang goes NZ’s image as a Green producer of high quality free-range meat and dairy
…there is no need for factory ‘farmed’ barned animals in NZ except greed…and it will probably make environmental issues worse eg far greater numbers ‘farmed’ ( every man and his dog will want to get in on it) and far greater potential effluent in waterways and contamination and depletion of rivers…I have met French and Italians who don’t like farm-barned animals…whole farm regions go smelly
….and do we want the animal antibiotic issues they have in the USA?
The other side of this unfortunately is effluent running into our waterways.
Because cows are magical and can walk through fences.
Cows cant but rain can.
Of course non point discharge is a problem, but a manageable one depending on soil properties, farm infrastructure, the location of waterways around the paddocks, and the nature of the catchment involved.
I thought cows in their ‘natural’ state were forest dwelling animals. Quite like the idea of fields being replanted to some degree to offer a more natural environment incorporating shelter and a wider source of food for the animals and more diverse ‘crops’ for human use.
Saturday daydreaming…
Down here those bastard diary factory operators (laughingly called “farmers”) are still inducing cows. I thought it was illegal?
I thought it was too.
+ 1 Good point Bill – yes the cows should have shelter and trees are the solution. It’s better for everyone.
Trees??? No don’t think so. How many trees do you want to effectively shelter a herd of 400 cows?
Cows need shelter from extreme weather. Trees aren’t going to cut it against snow drifts or violent storms.
Depends on the trees and forest doesn’t it? And the breed of cow. We keep stock outside in winter pretty much everywhere. The issue about bad weather for the industrial model is that cows need to eat more (ie less profit). If you see the trees as productive beyond their use as shelter then that is less of an issue (eg timber, nuts, forage, coppicing, carbon sinking etc). We need to start thinking holistically.
Yes trees and lots of them – they are the answer imo to just about everything and planting them is one of the best actions we can take for this world.
Wow, right up there with sow crates and battery hen farming.T here’s major health issues and it will ruin the industry. I’m with Hans all the way. Still sell ourselves as clean and green nah.
What will reduce the amount of effluent in the water is lower stocking rates so the available cow shit is spread over more land. Farming cows in suitable climates also helps. Putting them in barns is needed when the weather is harsh (snowing) and this is about the only time they should be in shelter.
Try driving around parts of this country in the summer with the car window down, from Dundein to Christchurch all you can smell is cow shit.
Reducing stocking rates would be a good start, but the problem isn’t just the water. It’s what big heavy hoofed animals do to soil too. This is why Southland farmers overwinter their stock in Central – the land just gets too boggy. Even if you manage the shit problem, I just don’t think there is any way to sustainably farm dairy industrially. I know of smaller scale organic dairy farms that use different practices, and we could probably get by for a long time with those supplying milk etc for NZ. But extraction farming for export, there’s just no way to do that with dairy and not make a big fucking mess.
Yes, but are you suggesting that all farms go organic Weka? Because that will create other issues, like a huge drop in government revenue and all of the downstream problems…
I do agree that reducing stock rates is another solution, already happening near large waterways I understand (Taupo, Waikato River I think)
Capping stocking rates, better fence and riparian strip maintenance, improved herd and paddock management, will all help the environment significantly.
It’s not a hard ask. Lots of farmers are doing it already.
Yes, those are things that mainstream farming can do. Can’t do it under the industrial model though because it reduces profit.
Saarbo, what is the huge drop in revenue for the govt you are talking about and what are the downstream effects?
As DTB is fond of saying…oversized profits are a dead loss on society.
Who’s going to step up with the big stick and pull Fonterra and Federated Farmers into line? 😉
Let’s just say that I think a bit of charm and persuasion can go a long way 🙂
Really? You are alot more optimistic than I am, esp re FF.
FF no longer represents the majority of farmers.
True, but they still hold alot of power and have alot of influence.
But what about the poor farmer. Are you asking him to slightly reduce his income. Golly they will get so poor they will start voting Socialist
The poor farmer with the $6M farm?
I don’t know that overwintering in Central is really solving any problem. The ground freezes up there in winter so if you spread cowshit around outside it probably isn’t going anywhere until the first rain washes it off hard ground into the nearest waterway.
There is I believe already a problem with human waste and septic tanks doing just that in some communities. St Bathans?
It’s already being done RB, in places where it works. It’s not like Central freezes over for months at a time 😉 I assume the stocking rates are much less too.
But yeah, it’s not really viable in the long term.
I must visit at the wrong time Weka -it’s usually b freezing when I am there. At the back of my mind I’m assuming that this is a rerun of the intensive Mackenzie basin farming proposals. Even if the ground is only frozen for 6 weeks 18000 codes are going to produce a lot of shit. Perhaps us poor peasants will be able to dry and burn it as fuel
My understanding is that the pay off in housing herds is warmer animals eat less – a substantial reduction feed costs.
http://whoar.co.nz/2013/lack-of-exercise-and-fatty-diet-leave-six-out-of-10-pacific-adults-obese-comment-and-the-cultural-excuse-for-pacific-islander-obesity-is-a-load-of-horse-shit-and-why-are-pacific-isla/
(excerpt:..)
“….and don’t give me that ‘cultural’-bullshit/excuse for not being able to change/cry of helplessness..
..i grew up eating eating greasy bacon for breakfast..and ‘$1.50 pies’..
..and was fat and unhealthy as..
..i no longer do that..and am no longer that..
..the ‘cultural’-excuse is just laziness/a bullshit cop-out..”
phillip ure..
Nice to know you’re able to extrapolate Undeniable Scientific Fact from a sample size of 1.
Like smack heads can’t format a readable blog post. What do I win? Whoar 😆
Nasty comment the allen
Not really, especially as he makes no secret or excuses for either.
Come on, don’t be so precious. Surely if we can be told to fu*k off back to our own countries without admonishment, we can handle a little of the above?
Yea … it was pretty nasty and judgemental!
Complete and utter kaka and bullshit as well.
I could begin with a brother’s IQ …. I could then go on to ask why a certain former head of the drug squad (a Rangi Rangihika) used to wonder why those addicted that he encountered/busted were extremely intelligent – completely to his wonderment, and what he should do about it. (In the days before we had the Police’s worst enemy – Greg O’Connor)
Don’t get me wrong tho’ te Allen – I’m not a supporter of smack heads’ actions – just not as ready to pretend to myself how so much better I am than they are. There’s an obviously highly intelligent Ure that could probably shit on me any day – and I suspect definitely shit on you.
Oh… btw – there are also rent-a-quote CantyUni Criminologists and others the MSM seem totally in lerv with who could probably give you an education on it all – rather than the schooling you’ve obviously so far received.
Your over reaction is as funny as your loyalty admirable.
If you’re really that bothered I’ll retract, as ‘extrapolating an undeniable scientific fact from a sample size of 1’ seems to offend so much when I do it 😉
I’ll assume a retraction – Thank you. And its not an over reaction. We’re all human tho’
I can’t edit Te A, but as Helen used to say …. ‘moving on’ in her usual pragmatic style (silly bitch)
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And those lazy bullshit cop-out culturals can go get fu*ked then.
Yeah, assume away, if you like. 😉
If it quacks like a $30k tory….
You can do better than that, can’t you?
Well I could’ve gone all robinsod but nah, because your comment would fit in so well at the sewer – $30k tory it is.
30k would seem like a lotto win, but ouch, calling me a tory. You scoundrel, you know how to wound with intent 🙄
@ allen..i can count the time since i last used smack – in decades..eh..?
..and it’s a bit of a stretch to blame what you see as my formatting-issues..
..on heroin..eh..?
..doesn’t it already get enough bad-press..?
..that heroin..?
..we don’t need to make stuff up about it..eh..?
..an ad-campaign..?
..warning the youth of the nation that if they use heroin..
..their formatting-skills will go up the wazoo..?
..that’ll scare them off..eh..?
..phillip ure..
You miss the point. It’s not that you were a junkie, nor the fact your writing style rips eyes from skulls, but the oversimplified, dismissive tone of your boast.
Live by crass generalisations, then die by crass generalisations. It’s not nice is it?
Lucky for you, you had a couple of guys backing up your claim because they didn’t want your feelings hurt, though their silence on your borderline racist tone is a bit deafening.
But no hard feelings, we’re all good. 😉
“.. borderline racist tone..”
..never saw you as one so p/c/ there..allen..
..obese/unhealthy-eating islanders and maori often use/play the cultural card/excuse..
..pakeha in the same basket don’t have that excuse..
..and are just lazy/ignorant/market-brainwashed..
..the subject under discussion/i was bringing up..
…was the cultural-excuse being used as a reason not to change/eat healthy..
..i repeat..that ‘excuse’ is total utter bullshit…
..and if you think it is ‘racist’ to point that out..?
..meh..!..eh..?..
..the fact is..that like me..most people who now eat healthy..
..once gorged on/enjoyed that same flesh/fat crap you still do..
..eh..?..
..everyone is capable of change..
..and that mewling/’it’s cultural’-reason/excuse..?
..again..meh..!
..phillip ure..
I’m no more ‘pc’ than you are a friend of convivial writing, but that’s all way beside the point.
But whilst we’re at it, so to speak, what’s with signing each and every post about?
You know your handle is appears above your comments, right?
Is it ego that you need to see your name twice, or is you think we’re all too dumb we need telling twice? 😆
ouch..!..that hurts…i try really hard to make my writing ‘convivial’..eh..?
..it is a quality i strive for..
..i often fail..
..but i do try..
..eh..?
..(probably ‘ego’..eh..?..)
..and what’s with that moniker you lurk behind..?
..’the allen’..?
..are you named after ‘Database of gene expression patterns in the mouse brain..’..?
..just wondering..
..phillip ure
Lurk, hardly 😆
The Al1en is a character from a short story I wrote. He’s the first and most famous of all the Humanoid logic machines.
Just seemed appropriate 😉
“..He’s the first and most famous of all the Humanoid logic machines…”
..so..was it irony that drove you to choose that name/persona..?
..phillip ure..
“..He’s the first and most famous of all the Humanoid logic machines…”
“.so..was it irony that drove you to choose that name/persona..?”
Yeah, that must be it, AL73364nz 😆
@ qot..
..here’s far more than ‘a sample size of one’..
http://whoar.co.nz/?s=vegan+obesity
phillip ure..
I’m deeply sorry, but I’m even less likely to read fatphobic bullshit when it comes wrapped in a preachy vegan package.
@ qot..
..it is actually links to facts/evidence that back the claims i made..
..no need to ‘vegan-preach’..the facts/evidence do all the talking needed..
..and really..all you need to do..
..is look around you..
..eh..?
..phillip ure..
“..it is actually links to facts/evidence that back the claims i made..”
No, it doesn’t. I’ve searched your blog before for back up to the claims you make, and they’re just not there. The onus is on you mate, to provide the back up here on ts. Or at least link to a single blogpost that backs up your claims so we know which ones you consider to be useful.
@ weka..not my job to hold yr hand weka..
..if you don’t want to know..
..you don’t want to know..
..and no..i will not jump thru hoops for you..
..how about you try and find a skerrick of evidence that gorging on animal-fat/flesh is good for you..eh..?
..shouldn’t take you long..
..to find nothing..
..eh..?
..(and as for evidence of the benefits from going vegan..?
..seen bill clinton lately/since he went vegan..?..)
..phillip ure..
Animal fat is great for your brain. If you eat enough it even lets you type full sentences which other people can read.
smile
Ah, the good old “just look around you” argument, because humans aren’t at all susceptible to seeing what they want to/are told to.
“..i grew up eating eating greasy bacon for breakfast..and ‘$1.50 pies’..
..and was fat and unhealthy as..”
Pity you don’t understand the underlying mechanism though.
Fat is an essential nutrient for humans. Without it our brains and hormones don’t work properly. I had a look at the rationale you present, which is this article in the Herald.
(and btw, “the MoH says so” isn’t evidence that backs up your views).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11142610
Lack of exercise, $1.50 pies, an abundance of fried chicken and traditional Polynesian food served with lashings of coconut cream have resulted in an obesity rate in Pacific adults of more than 60 per cent.
However…
Tokelau is a group of three atolls located in the South Pacific Ocean with approximately 1400 inhabitants. Administratively it belongs to New Zealand.
From a dietary point of view the case of Tokelau is very interesting: we can observe what happens when a population transitions from their traditional diet to a more westernized one, and back.
When Captain Wilkes visited Tokelau with his scientists, they reported that the people living there were very healthy, and to their surprise most of their diet was composed of coconut and fish, and some breadfruit (a starchy melon). There were no signs of plant cultivation.
In the 1920s, their diet was:
70% from coconut. So, more than 50% of this diet was fat.
90% of this fat, was saturated fat.
Health problems at that time:
skin diseases
asthma
infectious diseases (chicken pox, measles, leprosy). No chronic diseases were recorded (trained physicians had been available since 1917).
http://ilonadesign.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/tokelau.html
My emphasis.
The article goes on to look at what happened to the Tokelauan population when half of it immigrated to NZ and adopted a Western diet. Upshot is a massively huge increase in diabetes, heart disease etc. Biggest change in diet? Less fat and increase in refined carbohydrates. The original research on this was the Tokelau Island Migration Study. You can google it for more detail.
This pattern is demonstrated again and again all over the world. Take people away from their traditional diets, even high fat ones, and feed them white flour and white sugar, and watch diabetes and heart disease arrive (looks like cancer and possibly Alzheimers too).
The “traditional Polynesion food is the problem” line being run by the MoH and the Herald is the same colonisation shit that’s been going on for the past few hundred years in the Pacific. It’s not the traditional food that’s the problem, it’s the whitey food (actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).
You got it. Refined flour and sugar. Most people will do themselves a world of good simply by cutting those items back by 30%. Of course, cheap lower quality food is full of this stuff.
(actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).
Boom, headshot!
“(actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).”
“Boom, headshot!”
Good shooting, comrades.
of course poverty/access/cost is also a factor..
..that’s why unhealthy food needs to have prohibitive taxes..
..and healthy food no taxes..
..that must be part of any solution…
..to our million strong obese fellow-citizens..
..phillip ure..
Always nice to see the food police jump instantly to a (seriously complex and difficult-to-implement) taxation solution for food. Because food preparation doesn’t require time or knowledge, if we make tofu $1/kilogram everyone will magically be able to feed their families a low-carb low-fat lean-protein micronutrient-balanced stirfry.
@weka..don’t really get yr point there weka..
..so..jumping from a crap polynesian diet to a crap western diet is jumping from frying pan into fire..?
..you’ll get no argument here on that fact..
..but yr point is..?
..phillip ure..
You missed the point. Diet A = good health outcomes, diet B = marked increase in disease. In what way is diet A a ‘crap’ diet?
Also, what’s with the vegan arguing against a diet with coconut in it? That’s just bizarre.
Never underestimate the subtle white supremacy of the Western vegan movement.
I can’t get the Mapp-Kelsey debate post to load – times out.
I have just been upgrading it as I did it in a bit of a rush yesterday. But I’ve finished now. Try it again.
If it is still an issue then is it a 500 error, or does it just sit?
Lightened the featured image. Removed surplus junk from the embedding.
Ah. Thanks. Loads now. It was just sitting and partially loading. I just wanted to read the latest comments.
Sooo, John Banks the eloquent little botox queen is said to have approached a supporter of Penny Bright at the Auckland District Court intoning in a voice only they could here that the woman was a ‘Bush Pig’,
If that’s the way you want to play the game Herr Banks all well and good, i am off today to have a conversation with that bloke McCready to see what material help he needs, if any,(which i will gladly supply),
It’s just come to my attention that Graham McCready is on the bones of His ‘proverbial’, dealing to Banks on the shoe-string of a benefit,
i am sure if He needs it,transport to and from the airport down here can be arranged and flight costs covered,
i was peeved when the case was moved to Auckland, but understand now the cost of moving the necessary witnesses down to Wellington would be an impossibility for Mr McCready, but, if Botox Banks(the already once convicted), wants to engage in a little post-courtroom debate i will be sorely tempted to drag myself up that way and deliver Him the same message he got at the point of His first conviction,(boy didn’t the Rat scurry in a hurry on that day)…
“Bush pig”… is that meant to be an insult?
@ weka..
..depends what circles you move in..
..eh.?..
..phillip ure..
coming out of the mouth of an ugly little Nazi prick, it is a compliment
Granny’s business analyst shows “faux concern” for Auckland’s economic future as she contorts to stun us with her call for Len Brown’s resignation.
Yes, Fran’s just so concerned about the future of the city she lives in. In spit of that, she just couldn’t be bothered to pick up the phone and exercise her democratic right to chose the Mayor, Councillors and members of the community and district health boards for the next three years.
I wouldn’t want to rely on her assistance if she was “concerned” about me!
Doesn’t Fran O’Sullivan’s latest piece of Jonolism give off a distinct reek of insanity, in all Her lazy rotundness O’Sullivan couldn’t be bothered to vote until that is She learned of what goes on in Len Brown’s bedroom, what a pathetic waste of space,
Can Fran please tell all, i want to know what goes on in Her bedroom befor i decide to read her abysmal column in the morning,
On second thoughts, cancel that, the thought of getting a glimpse into the goings on in Fran’s bedroom first fills me with horror and secondly gives me the urge to barf…
Ha ha … thanks for the laugh bad 12
Xxx
Thanks for the link to Fran’s confession. Small wonder why folks south of Auckland, couldn’t care less about all of this media circus. It reflects poorly on
Orkland, Super City, Rodney Hyde, National government, and the huge imbalance of power that now Auckland represents. Most Kiwis don’t live in Auckland and resent Auckland centric ‘culture’ and media. Don’t vote, it only encourages them. Seems to be the Auckland way.
The fix is regional development as the only regional activity doing ‘well’ is dairying and thats screwing up our waterways, land profiles etc.
cities will always have a certain attraction be it work, family, facilities but akl is a bit if a basket case after the curtis,woods,banks legacy gives way to nacts engineered takover via supercity.
oshillivan is a fool to admit not voting but thats not news really.
Another case of irony in that Mr Wewege lost his position because of sexual relationship and Bevan Chuang.
The Herald:
“The Washington-based Diplomatic Courier magazine last month named Luigi Wewege as one of the top 99 foreign policy professionals under 33, because of his efforts to “foster intellectual dialogue and relationships between New Zealand youth and the world decision-makers of today and tomorrow”.
But his profile was pulled from the international affairs website yesterday after the editors became concerned about his role in the Auckland mayoral sex scandal…………
Managing editor Chrisella Herzog contacted the Herald to confirm the veracity of Facebook messages sent between Mr Wewege, a member of the John Palino campaign team, and Bevan Chuang, who publicly revealed a two-year affair with Auckland Mayor Len Brown.
Messages the pair exchanged back up Ms Chuang’s claims of a casual sexual relationship and the pressure she felt to go public about her affair with Mr Brown.”………
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11142596
Come back Kim Hill, urgently!
Saturday Morning, Radio NZ National, 19 October 2013
Kim Hill’s Saturday morning show, along with Chris Laidlaw’s and occasionally Bryan Crump’s, is one of the few times that New Zealand audiences can hear top-quality conversations with interesting people about serious topics. So the many fans of Kim Hill’s show are always concerned when she is on leave, as she is now. Will the replacement be up to it? Will she maintain Kim Hill’s exceptionally high standards?
Well, it turns out that Kim’s replacement today is one Susie Ferguson and, unfortunately, she is just not up to it.
Susie Ferguson first came to Standardistas’ attention after she lazily and recklessly recycled official black propaganda against a political dissident….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-10062013/#comment-646597
Shortly after that, she came to our attention again, this time by her obtuse and foolish questions to a movie distributor, who treated her with barely restrained contempt….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-667846
(Aficionados of disruption strategies will note our friend McFlock‘s inept attempts to derail the discussion.)
This morning, after 8 o’clock, she read out the lineup for the morning, including this gem of crazed political correctness: “After eleven, breast cancer and what it’s like for a man when their partner is diagnosed….”
Then it’s on to business. Her first guest was Professor Martin Jacques, a British expert on China and author of When China Rules the World: The Rise of the Middle Kingdom and the End of the Western World.
Remember, Suzy Ferguson is quite happy to parrot the most prejudicial and demeaning language cooked up by government spin-doctors to taunt political dissenters in the West. This morning, however, she appears to have changed her spots about human rights: her questions, even about business and economic matters, all come with an anti-Chinese Government slant. Eventually, her crass questioning gets under the skin of her guest….
MARTIN JACQUES: The Chinese will not be lectured by the West. I have not heard you say ANYTHING that acknowledges the immense progress China has made since 1978.
…..[Awkward hiatus]…..
SUSIE FERGUSON: I’m asking you why you’re such a fan.
A little later, the crass and insidious comments continue….
MARTIN JACQUES: The internet has revolutionized Chinese knowledge.
SUSIE FERGUSON: But in a limited wayyyyyy….
[…..A little later…..]
SUSIE FERGUSON: As Chinese power increases, how do you think the West will react? [She seems unfazed by Dr. Jacques’ irritated silence and presses on] I mean, do you think the West will take it lying down?
The “interview” winds down to an ignominious end, but Susie Ferguson’s mission is not over yet. She takes what I imagine she thinks is revenge by reading out a few telegrams….
SUSIE FERGUSON: There are quite a few texts and e-mails. He’s provoked quite a bit of feedback has Dr. Jacques! Walter writes: “China executes more people than any other country. What they’ve done to Tibet is what they could do to us.” Neil writes: “We should be very cautious….”
Appointing Susie Ferguson to Saturday mornings, even if it is just for a couple of weeks, amounts to gross failure in a time slot listeners have come to presume will be four hours of quality radio.
Come back Kim Hill, urgently!
Thanks for linking to those older threads, Morrissey, somehow I managed to completely miss the multiple examples of how non “word-perfect” your “transcripts” truly are.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them, and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.
Your disaffection with me came suddenly, and it had nothing to do with questions of accuracy. It came after I had the temerity to lampoon people who you supported. For instance, there was my transcription of an interview with the hapless Hekia Parata, back before she was Minister of Education….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-30082011/#comment-369467
For some reason you have failed to convince anyone on this forum of, you backed the hapless Ms. Parata and her deepwater drilling plans. You also objected to my transcript of a outlandish, bizarre television appearance by Air New Zealand CEO Rob Fyfe, when he assured New Zealanders that Tokyo was “perfectly safe” even while the Japanese government was on the brink of ordering the evacuation of the city….
http://thestandard.org.nz/meltdown-at-fukushima/#comment-314634
Your objections to my transcripts are ideological. You need to be honest.
🙄
Oooooh, now that was hardly an intelligent rejoinder. Can we do a tad better than such a miserable effort, do we think?
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
So I’ll reply up to the point I stopped reading:
“When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them,”
Yes, because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions. I’ve done several transcriptions of various things myself over time and I know how much effort goes into making them. So I was thankful that someone was transcribing snippets from National Radio, snippets that 95% of the time I don’t get a chance to hear, so was glad for them to be recorded.
My praise lasted up until I actually heard an interview myself that you had “transcribed”, and I discovered just how loose your “transcriptions” were.
“and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.”
More flowery waffle on your part. I didn’t “recognise” that you “capture[d] the essential quality of the discussions”, I thought they were actual transcriptions, as I describe above.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
“Literally” stopped reading, did you? You know, embellishing a lie in such a childish manner doesn’t change the fact it’s a lie. “Literally”. As they’d respond on the Panel: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
….because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions.
They were accurate, and they continue to be accurate, and you know it.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
You are, to put it politely, disingenuous. You were outraged that my transcript had shown up Parata in all her bumbling incoherence and vacuity. The highlight of that grim interview was when she claimed that the National government’s oil drilling “policy” had “a variety of various variables”. You actually support the moronic policies she was so ineptly espousing that day, and even more moronic ones than that, as shown by your defiant insistence that the Fukushima catastrophe was being over-hyped by greenies.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I am more than happy for people to compare our respective credibility, or lack of it. My transcripts ARE reliable—-I couldn’t dream up characters who exhibit the cruelty, moral turpitude, vanity, pomposity or stupidity of people like Chris Trotter, Stephen Franks, Garth McVicar or any of the other people who I pin down for posterity.
You would be quite justified if you had pointed out that I make minor errors now and again, but you have unwisely chosen to exaggerate, demean and distort what I do. I am not a liar, I did not make up Hekia Parata’s hopelessness, or Rob Fyfe’s surreal brand of idiocy. You for some bizarre reason support those fools. Don’t try to pretend that your attempts to undermine me are anything more than ideologically motivated spite.
I’m still waiting for that apology, you lying sack ‘o’ shit.
I’m still waiting for that apology,
I apologize for implying that you supported Trotter’s endorsement of southern lynch law. I knew you were better than that.
….you lying sack ‘o’ shit.
Oh come on now, I think we can operate in a less juvenile fashion, surely?
Try again. You didn’t imply. You stated it as fact. You’re lying again, Moz.
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
In our rush to exploit the Chinese people for our own benefits, we are too quick to overlook at the actions of the governing regime that facilitates this exploitation.
To quote from a Guardian review of Jacque’s book:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jun/21/when-china-ruled-the-world-jacques
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
Of course she was. And she was wrong to parrot the U.S. Government’s demeaning language used to attack dissenters in the West.
Professor Jacques reminded her that China has greatly increased its standard of living, but she petulantly refused to even acknowledge that.
“Professor Jacques reminded her that China has greatly increased its standard of living, but she petulantly refused to even acknowledge that.”
Perhaps you should ask the millions of homeless Chinese if their living standards were greatly inrcreased.
Perhaps you should ask the millions of homeless Chinese if their living standards were greatly inrcreased.
I’m not defending the Chinese government. I leave that to outfits like NewstalkZB.
Indeed.
The country with the second highest absolute numbers of enslaved is China, with an estimated 2,800,000 to 3,100,000 in modern slavery. The China country study5 suggests that this includes the forced labour of men, women and children in many parts of the economy, including domestic servitude and forced begging, the sexual exploitation of women and children, and forced marriage.
Global Slavery Index 2013 (PDF)
http://www.walkfree.org/
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
Chinese do not have trade unions, environmental regulations, labour laws or social safety nets, and its massive slave workforce keeps wages down all over the world.
As I said before on this site. It is not Reagan or Thatcher that western boardrooms should be thanking. It is Deng Xiaopeng.
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
You are correct, millsy. We also need to understand why the Chinese have nothing but contempt for people like Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who presume to lecture them about human rights.
China is where the US was 90 years ago. It’s a work in progress.
BTW what the Chinese are doing has very little to do with Stalinism or neoliberal capitalism, or any hybrid of the two.
I’d like the USA to remain as the dominant superpower but I’m not bothered if/when China take over as was shown with how they’ve handled Hong Kong they seem quite pragmatic
In a lot of ways this would be a good thing but we have seen now is the US is essentially captured as a state within a state which cannot even govern itself or look after its own people. It’s not good to see.
Ah well empires rise and empires fall
David Shearer doin’ it – great to watch !
http://www.tv3.co.nz/7-DAYS-Season-5-Ep-5/tabid/3692/articleID/95825/MCat/2901/Default.aspx
He did good and yeah I agree where was this 6 months ago?
Why are house prices so high?
Because the banks have a license to print money. If we want affordable housing we need to rescind that license.
So stop paying taxes, that is what the central banks use as security.
It’s not that simple moron. We really do need to support our society, what we don’t need is a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us through charging interest.
Did UT just suggest that Government tax revenues get used by private banks as security (or collateral)?
That’s just idiocy.
Really? Where do you think the $1.6b to bail out SCF came from?
What definition of the word security/collateral are you using?
I’m using the standard financial definition which is an asset that can be leveraged against in order to secure additional funding. The $1.6B used to bail out SCF does not fall into the category of being such an asset.
When the GFC started the government instituted the Retail Depositors Scheme. Now, the financial institutions that went into the scheme paid some amount to do so but there’s no way that they paid in enough to even cover the $1.6b used to cover the failure of SFC. The security used to raise the extra was the taxpayers of NZ.
A government guarantee or backstop is a separate issue.
No it’s not. It’s exactly what was being discussed. The banks get to loan out as much money as they can until they collapse at which point the government will step in to bail them out.
Ok this is not a productive discussion because you have decided to use the vaguest definitions of terms. SCF wasn’t a bank, for instance.
The BNZ was.
Irrelevant to the post GFC world.
No, the problem is still the same. Due to the intertwined nature of the global financial system if one bank goes down it’s possible that it would take several others with it and they won’t necessarily be in the same country. The “losses” will be counted in the tens to to hundreds of billions if not more. That’s why the governments of the world stepped in when the banking system failed in 2007/8 and also why our government stepped in when the BNZ failed (sometime around the same time period the US government did the same for a failing bank in the US).
The governments are absolutely terrified of the private banks failing and thus the banks have an implicit government guarantee. A guarantee that is backed by the taxpayers.
Idiot, you do understand that there is difference between central banks and private banks, don’t you?
It really is that simple, fuckwit. Your needs are not relevant, the best way to support society is to stop bleeding it to death by fraud and usury.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Taxes aren’t fraud or usury.
Dare I say it taxes are a type of ‘fraud and usuary’ of governments. The worker pays taxes then also banks his/her savings and is actively encouraged by governments to do so eg. kiwisaver schemes. Governments/treasuries/ Reserve Banks actually have no money- it is a fiction, hence so are government guarantees ( e.g. bonds, Retail depositor schemes)
Paper money, cheques, Eftpos, bonds, guarantees……They are all “currency”, a figment of imagination from the source onto the the end of the money trail – you; the taxpayer and the worker who re-circulates it.
In terms of currency, accrual and flow (tax revenues included are used by private banks in the flow of currency- it isn’t idiocy CV), there is no difference between private banks or central banks and the massive ‘con-job’ between Governments and banks colluding to ‘bleed society to death’ ( UT).
Also true words “a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us …” but not just in interest charges DTB- as a type of ‘fraud’ happens before we are paying bank fees, interest etc . It is our savings that are being used without consent and then we give the banks fees for the priviledge of having the workers money
– “Never in human history have so many been plundered by so few..”
Released recently part 3 of “Hidden Secrets of Money”
The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind – Maloney.M. 2013
Personally- not a big hidden secret but more likely a concept that has not been well understood by the ‘worker’. Found this video and its visuals a great way to illustrate the myth of there being money, with easy to understand terminology of money ‘mumbo-jumbo’.
travellerev posted “Shade” the Motion Picture link recently too. Adds further dimensions to the discussions and understandings of who are the global “controllers”. Worth due time to watch.
Would also add that the “Authors” behind Hidden Secrets also appear to be ‘on the make’ so….. good luck with your money if you have any.
It’s not taxes that are the problem but the monetary system where the private banks get to create money ex nihilo and charge interest on it.
Not Another Sheep
No you daren’t even when you spell right you would still be wrong despite all the gerfuffle that you put to back your statement up.
Don’t forget that all forms of finance are gst exempt.
Yes, Mr Shearer’s input was very pleasant, funny and quite enjoyable! Comes across as a nice, witty and clever guy. Shows how being a leader was so onerous and restrictive to his usual persona.
In the clip his input is right at the start of the programme in this episode which itself he began and then again at 7′ onwards when he was grilled and gave his winning responses.
Have a watch and I think you will enjoy it.
Cheers!
Ref from NORTH :
David Shearer doin’ it – great to watch !
http://www.tv3.co.nz/7-DAYS-Season-5-Ep-5/tabid/3692/articleID/95825/MCat/2901/Default.aspx
I thought David Shearer was brilliant. He looks a lot more relaxed. Still rate him.
Agree. He’s going to be outstanding in Cabinet.
Standard regular McFlock not too good at being civil
Failure to be gracious makes for an unpleasant little exchange
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712089
Chris (“Haw Haw”) Trotter is something of a left/liberal icon in this country, and a political north star for many Standardisti, who clearly set their own bearings by what he says and writes. Generally Trotter writes well and contributes valuable insights. However, like all of us, he is certainly not perfect. In 2007 he suffered a public dressing down from John Minto after he (Trotter) had made some ignorant comments backing the police raids in the Urewera country. Minto damned his comments as “shallow”, “pompous”, “weak” and “potentially damaging” to the victims of the raids….
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0710/S00415.htm
Since then, Trotter has got worse, not better. As a regular guest on Jim Mora’s Panel, he has slotted in seamlessly with that show’s glib and casually cruel zeitgeist; Trotter has been one of the more heartless taunters of political dissidents like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14062013/#comment-648511
But such irresponsible, craven behaviour, such gross misjudgements and failures of empathy have done little to shake the faith of Trotter’s most dedicated followers. They stayed on board, even after he delivered a windy and pompous admonition of those who might dare to criticise the infamous jury verdict in the Trayvon Martin case.
In shock and horror at what I heard, I provided a rush transcript of Trotter’s fustian lecture. Of course, not having a working tape recorder, and not being an expert in shorthand, I didn’t get it one hundred per cent correct. That’s all that the Trotteristi needed; they piled on with the ferocity of Red Guards going after a capitalist running dog, hammering on the fact that I hadn’t captured the great orator’s words perfectly…..
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-668899
Despite that, this writer (i.e., moi) is always willing to concede that his critics have a point, and in a spirit of reconciliation, I acknowledged that. One of my critics has been our friend McFlock, and after he took the trouble to actually provide a transcript of Trotter’s infamous words, I acknowledged his efforts….
MORRISSEY: Thanks for transcribing that, McFlock. I can see that I missed a lot, and you have a valid point in disagreeing with my interpretation of Trotter’s comments. I did render his words a little more pointedly than they actually were. However, I think that even when you compare my admittedly imperfect rush “transcript” to your word-perfect transcript, I have captured the essential pomposity of his speaking style and the gist of his admonition to the lesser mortals in the studio to respect that outrageous verdict in Florida. Trotter was speaking slowly and sententiously, as if he was defending the Western system of justice; what he was actually doing was defending a grievous miscarriage of justice. His suggestion that there were “items of evidence which would raise reasonable doubt I think in most people’s minds” was not backed up at all, and disappointingly, Noelle McCarthy failed to demand he did so.
You are right to time the silences; they’re not as long as I recalled them in my mind, but they are significant nonetheless. Noelle McCarthy was, I believe, genuinely lost for words after listening to that. So was I.
The response, however, did not burnish our friend’s diplomatic credentials….
McFLOCK: oh fuck off. So let’s say you “captured” trotter’s pompousness (personally, I think you overstated it). That means that you are (at best) a dadaesque caricaturist of discourse. So are all the claims as to near word perfect accuracy simply self-delusion, or are you trying to mimic Sacha baron Cohen’s immersion satire?
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712089
Readers with an IQ above room temperature will note that McFlock attempts to derail and inflame the discussion by comparing my serious (and admittedly imperfect) criticism of a media commentator with the behaviour of a callous and brutally dishonest propagandist/comedian.
But let’s save the discussion of provocative hate-comedians like Bernard Manning, Andrew Dice Clay and Sacha Baron Cohen for another day.
Woah, way to take things personally, Morrissey.
Woah, way to take things personally, Morrissey.
Hmmmm… this is interesting. You forgot to “reflexively stroll past” that comment….
This is a great site 🙂
Personally, I’m still waiting for Morrissey to apologise to me for this: http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712071
But, as he appears to be a complete coward, I don’t think he’s going to.
Personally, I’m still waiting for Morrissey to apologise to me for this: http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712071
I thought I HAD apologized. If not, here you go, my friend….
http://www.sadmuffin.net/cherrybam/graphics/comments-sorry/sorry004.gif
But, as he appears to be a complete coward, I don’t think he’s going to.
That’s a bit harsh, surely?
No, Moz, you didn’t apologise. You still haven’t.
What is it I’m supposed to apologize for again?
Lying about my defending Trotter. You lying, cowardly sack ‘o’ shit*.
Here’s that link again:
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712071
*don’t take it personally, it’s just a transcript of an impression of what I half remember thinking about you.
I don’t think Morrissey is capable of taking them any other way.
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04082013/#comment-674390
It’s the sheer amount of time and effort used to make posts for a largely unappreciative audience, that’s what I find a bit scarey.
…a largely unappreciative audience…
Ha! You wish.
Would you like me to furnish you with some of the praise I have garnered both here and in other fora?
A word to the wise, my feathered friend: it’s okay to make disparaging remarks, but it’s not okay to make wildly untrue statements like that one.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
And I chose SBC because he is known for constantly staying in character, much in the same way that you stay in the character of stupid dickhead.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
My transcripts—occasionally a little too slapdash and impressionistic for some tastes—-are done quickly and published very soon after the offending broadcast. I am more than happy for you or anyone else to provide a word-perfect transcript for people to compare and contrast with mine. As we saw with my rendition of Chris Trotter’s infamous defence of shonky Deep South juries, my version is usually pretty much spot on. Of course people can quibble about whether I described the timbre of his voice fairly, or whether I effectively evoked the horrified silence that fell over the people he was admonishing, but the determined effort by a few hardline Trotteristi was, and remains, an exercise in attempted political assassination. In a non-frightening, Standard sort of way, of course.
You’re as bad as hooten. The immensity of your bullshit is just fucking astounding.
Thanks for that link, my friend. It only backs up my truncated, pointed version of the travesty.
Once again, thank you.
But as for that Matthew Hooton taunt…
http://static.tumblr.com/lbemnld/JjIm5ii3l/that_was_mean.gif
I’m not your friend, guy
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/award-winning-journalist-cant-tell-father-son/#axzz2hOR1GNO2
– If you want proof positive of how bad journalism is in NZ you might like to check this exchange, David Fisher showing how its not done
Lol.
Fish is toying with him.
Whaleoil completely forgets to include his own earlier tweets on the same article:
https://twitter.com/Whaleoil/status/391270803808874496
Now that’s interesting, Bernard Orsman quotes me and I hasn’t spoken to about that which he quotes me?
https://twitter.com/Whaleoil/status/391273051913871361
@Jayson_Bryant Orsman quotes me but I have never spoken to him, that is far more interesting don’t you think
You did see the part where its his father that was quoted?
Yes Chris. Did you see the part where whale was implying that Orsman had made up quotes from Whale? ie, the part where whale had been tweeting nonsense based on the same mistake Fish made?
Just want to have a rant about roads.
The Auckland Mayoral debacle is a serious diversion away from really serious issues – one of which is the lack of investment in essential infrastructure in the South Island. On SH1, the main route from Picton to NZ’s second city, there’s an old rickety, single lane bridge over a major river. Up till fairly recently all traffic on SH1 had to cross an even more rickety old 2 tier bridge with the railway line on the top tier. the train still goes across it.
When the mighty Waimakirirri River is in flood, the old wooden bridge at Kaiapoi has to be closed in case it gets washed away, leaving just the motorway bridge. Cyclists just have to wait until the river drops or they can get a lift across the motorway bridge.
Matters are exacerbated when the Ashley River is in flood and the old bridge at Rangiora has to be closed for safety reasons which diverts all traffic north of the river onto SH1. When both rivers are in flood as happened last week – there are just two ways into ChCh by road from the north – the SH1 bridge and the old one lane gorge bridge 90kms upstream.
And that’s aside from the implications to SH1 and the only railway line – of landslides or tsunami pretty much all the way from Blenheim to Cheviot.
Sometimes it feels very isolated down here.
…but it is a lovely isolation….and just love it when those rivers run wild and mighty.!!!….hate to see them tamed and depleted for irrigation
….and who cares about rickety bridges?…our colonial ancestors had to ford them with horses if they were lucky …or swim…or paddle.
This map shows where the world’s 30 million slaves live. There are 60,000 in the U.S.
And, yes, NZ is represented as having slaves, approximately 500.
Depends entirely on the definition of “slave”. I would suggest that America has many many more than 60,000. There’s a whole economy based on low-paid ($1-3 hour) prison inmates that produce massive amounts of products cheaply, including large amounts of military hardware such as uniforms and basic equipment. To the point that states trade prison inmates between themselves in order to fulfill government contracts…
Who are the NZ slaves?
Probably a combination of sex slaves and workers in slave like conditions (technically paid but the bills that the employer charges the employed are more than the pay) all of which will be foreign born. We here of some of these in the news every now and then but for some reason they’re not called what they are.
Judith Collins is going to speak to the China Executive Leadership Academy about government transparency and accountability. Is she aware of the irony of a Minister of a sly, secretive, unwilling to accept accountability ‘government’ talking about those subjects? A bit like Ruth Richardson and Roger Douglas talking to foreign governments about economic stewardship- what a fucking joke.
More to the point: the Chinese know this.
http://finetoothcolumn.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/subcontracting-morality/
– Well thats food for thought
DUTCH KING TELLS THE POOR: “BUILD YOUR OWN SAFETY NETS”
No, this is not a Monty Python sketch. The King of the Netherlands, Willem-Alexander announced the end of the welfare state in a speech written by the government. But while the population of the Netherlands has faced some of the most severe austerity measures in Europe, the monarchy has cut nothing from the £31m it receives from the taxpayer each year – overtaking the Windsors as the most expensive monarchy in Europe…..
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/10/18/31m-a-year-from-the-taxpayer-and-dutch-king-tells-the-poor-build-your-own-safety-nets/
How sad.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/big-sky-big-money/remember-those-campaign-finance-documents-we-found-in-a-meth-house/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9304274/Tough-conditions-for-Kiwi-activists-in-Russia
– Thats what happens when you mess with the big boys but inadvertently Lucy Lawless shows them what they should stick to in future
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/9304237/Lucy-Lawless-in-Greenpeace-Arctic-protest
What has happened in Auckland in the last 3-4years? People on the street and on the beach are so defensive so as to scare other people away. People hog the footpath so I have to walk on the road. What happened to altruism, manners, thoughtfulness? I wonder if it’s like this in other Western countries.
What happened in Auckland was a National Govt took charge, the economy slowed more than needed, and a lot of people’s attitudes shifted to suit.
NZ slaves are on Korean fishing boats thank to National delaying implementation of new rules preventing such conditions.
Other slaves on farm labour are made to work huge hours 80 hrs plus only getting paid 40 to 45 hrs.
National again don’t bother funding osh labour dept mobie
Forestry workers made to work long unsafe hours killing workers!
Religious fundamentalists such as thr exclusive bretheren who force marriages force labour again National implicated!