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The National Animal Welfare Advisory Committee (NAWAC) today released its recommendations about the welfare and housing of dairy cows. The draft code allows for the year round indoor confinement of dairy cows.
“NAWAC’s recommendations will condemn thousands of dairy cows to a life in crowded sheds on concrete floors. The animals will never walk on grass or experience life outdoors,” says SAFE Executive Director Hans Kriek. “NAWAC once again fails to uphold the principles of New Zealand’s animal welfare legislation and is legalising this country’s newest form of factory farming.”
“The Animal Welfare Act requires that animals be able to display their normal behaviour. Research shows that dairy cows graze between five and ten hours per day yet bizarrely NAWAC appears not to recognize grazing as an essential behavioural need. This is utterly ridiculous and brings into question the competence of this committee.”
SAFE is concerned that the proposed changes to the code of welfare for dairy cows will lead to a rapid intensification of the dairy industry and will result in increased suffering for the cows. In general, cows farmed indoors suffer from higher levels of mastitis and lameness than cows that have access to pasture.
TAKE ACTION
SAFE urges the public to speak out against the indoor housing of dairy cows by making a simple submission to the Ministry for Primary Industries.
Submissions close 3 December and should be sent to: awsubmission@mpi.govt.nz
or
NAWAC Secretary
Animal Welfare
Ministry for Primary Industries
PO Box 2526
Wellington 6140
Points to remember when making your submission:
• Grazing in a paddock is normal behaviour, and cows should be allowed to do it.
• Cows should not be confined for extended periods of time.
• Cows should be given shelter, as long as they are allowed to leave.
The other side of this unfortunately is effluent running into our waterways. Herd homes can take cows off pasture, so there is a real positive side to this as well. Personally i think Herd homes may be an important factor in cleaning up our water ways at the same time as protecting our $15 billion dairy exports. Its a tough one though, cows in paddocks are preferable but they are killing our waterways. What are the other options?
Cows aren’t killing our waterways. Industrial dairy companies are, and regional councils are letting them. In general the public are letting them too.
Other options? Prioritise water over profit via regulation and legislation (regional councils, and the government should have a role in this too). If big business wants to make money, why let it do it at the expense of everyone else?
Adopt sustainable farming practices (whole range of options there). Factory farming cows is completely unecessary and is a step in completely the wrong direction (takes us away from sustainability). It will also create other problems in addition to the increased suffering of the animals. Putting alot of animals closely together in an indoor space creates health problems that require increasing technical interventions that have flow on effects (increased antibiotic use would be my first guess, and all the problems that go with that).
People who care about the environment (ie the waterways) need to look at the whole situation, not just the isolated bits.
Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming. From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis. But the big thing about Herd homes is that they stop the cows pissing and shitting on the paddocks, this effluent is what is fucking up our water ways. There is also an amount of waterways pollution from nitrogen and phosphate fertilisers, but most of the waterways pollution comes from effluent. The effluent from the herd homes is then reapplied to the land scientifically to reduce the need for synthetic nitrogens and also to optimise its utilisation so that there is minimal run off into the waterways.
Wekka, Im not sure what you mean by “Industrial dairy companies are killing our waterways”??? Its the cows shitting and pissing on the paddocks, simple as that.
We put the cows there Saarbo, no point in blaming the cows. It’s a new phenomenon, all this shit in the water. The cows didn’t just waltz up and take over teh country side, did they. Who put them there? Who let that happen?
“From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis.”
25% less lameness than what?
“Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming.”
But they’re still locked in right? And they still have to stand in their own shit? And the farmers have to manage health and disease differently? What is the floor made from, concrete?
What are they being fed?
The big shed farm proposal in the McKenzie planned to keep 18,000 cows in stalls (not sure what’s happened with that).
Keep pushing the water is more important than animal welfare line and expect a big fight from a number of quarters.
Im not sure about the Mc kenzie proposal, 18000 cows housed sounds ugly, thats not what I am supporting here. Personally my belief is that any farm above 650 cows becomes to difficult to manage and ends up too hard on the people working on them, seldom the owners. that is why so many farms are using immigrants.
Herd homes are pretty new in NZ, but the ones I looked at the Field days were for farms in the 300 to 1000 cows and I was impressed with the way they dealt with effluent. They will provide a pretty good solution to the problem with water ways, which I think is dairy farmings biggest issue at the moment.
I think from a political point of view we need to continue to generate/protect export receipts from dairy farming and we need to deal with the problems dairy farms are causing to our environment. herd homes seem to achieve both…but concede that it is not as user friendly as putting cows in paddocks.
I guess what I am trying to say is people need to look at this closely before commenting because Herd homes do deal with some of our bigger problems.
By rejecting dairy farming altogether, well we will end up with a whole set of other issues then
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Being allowed to permanently keep cattle inside is likely to intensify farming even more. If they can’t handle the level of effluent right now how on earth could they deal with this? It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.
One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??
Will be looking to any comments the Greenz make before I make my submission.
+1 …it is cruel to keep cows in sheds!!!!!…they should be able to roam free ….but the waterways must be protected ….only farm cows in environmentally safe ways and in environmentally sustainable areas…….ie …safeguard the rivers and aquifers
….look to diversify types of farming in other areas eg vegetarian /vegan crops and trees
Macerate in what? I’ve not heard of people macerating young male chooks live, but certain people do once they’re dead. It’s called marinating then, and no it’s not cruel (the animal is dead already).
Plants have feelings too btw. So do ecosystems. Monocropping soy to feed a world full of vegans would be an ecological crime as well as cruel.
“It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.” Not quite, this will actually make our dairy farming more costly…but it has environmental benefits. Refer to my reply to Weka.
“One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??”
Meat farmers wont be doing this, only Dairy Farmers I understand.
@ Saarbo….I think so….re huge use of antibiotics….at least in the USA….I have a friend who left NZ a big meat eater …but is now a vegetarian in the States because the meat is so “disgusting”….We don’t want to go there if we want to preserve our elite /organic marketing edge…it would completely ruin the marketing NZ Pure & Green image for NZ
Actually a dietitian I read said that there are examples of the junk food over sugared etc can cause an overtired man to freak out and commit murder. She gave the example of long-distance truck driver deliberately driving into a building and killing members of the public. Particularly if he had been on uppers and downers.
Saarbo, i havn’t delved into how well kept dairy herds can be (are) yet, but will with a spare hour or two have a wee Google of the question,
I do not think that we should dismiss this form of farming out of hand, but, looking at how the chooks and pigs are treated by intensive indoor farming it’s easy to see why many have,
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’…
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’ if we want to allow increasing industrialisation of nature for the point of monetary profit for the few and at the expense of the many
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There is no way to farm industrial dairy sustainably. You can shift cows into sheds, at the expense of animal welfare, but you just create another set of problems because the whole endeavour is inherently about resource extraction not resource cycling. If having let them become so degraded NZ now wants to protect its waterways by fucking with some other part of nature, then we lose any remaining credibility we had with regards to sustainability and we deserve everything we get. People of ecological conscience need to think hard before buying into the sop being offered that is in essence factory farming cows.
Or to put it another way, there was an old lady who swallowed a fly… (get it?)
Please remember this has nothing whatsoever to do with feeding Kiwis. It’s purely (100% purely) about the greed of the few.
We can do all that here with our own resources, i.e, it’s better for the government to develop our economy rather than just doing more of the same thing.
“Organic is great, but there would be a drop in production and export receipts, I think a good government needs to grow exports, any ideas DTB?”
Yeah, I don’t know why we need to grow exports, esp in a peak-resources, AGW world (it’s crazy to be basing our economy and food production around that). However for the sake of argument, NZ could have been world leaders in export organic meat and dairy by now, and reaping the premium attached to that. The improvement in landcare would have boosted our clean, green NZ image for tourism marketing purposes too, not just in PR terms but in actual terms when people come here and experience the place for themselves. We wouldn’t be wasting huge amounts of rate payer funds in the regional councils trying to fix a problem that is now basically going to be very expensive (politically and financially) to fix. The cost of being able to swim in our rivers: priceless.
I’ve not seen an audit of this, but I also suspect where organic production means a drop in output, this is offset by the reduction in pollution remediation costs associated with industrial dairying. A ‘good’ government would be ensuring that farmers are able to make a living without that being at the expense of the environment and other people. They would also adopt an accounting model that measures the negative effects of farming and where that costs us at all levels.
It puzzles me. If we move our cattle into barns are they suddenly going to shit less. If not then we will have roughly the same effluent to deal with as in pasture and I cannot see any farmer doing more than high pressure sluicing the stuff somewhere away from the barns. Is it still not going to end up on land somewhere ready to make its way to waterways?
Also what on earth will the cows be feed with. Will the farmer still be growing grass and processing it to feed for the cattle? If so then they will still over fertilize their land and the nitrates will still run off to waterworks.
I cannot see any solution here.
Ron, the effluent drops through the grating in the floor of the HH, there is no high pressure hosing, so very little water is used. The effluent is emptied twice a year and is spread on the farm as an alternative to synthetic fertilisers. Obviously this can be managed/optimised to reduce any run off into water ways.
The grass is harvested off the farm and fed to the cows in the HH.
…barned dairy and beef herds will create more vegetarians/vegans for sure…as many Europeans and Americans are already becoming semi-vegetarian and housed factory produced animals disgusts them……and bang goes your market….and bang goes NZ’s image as a Green producer of high quality free-range meat and dairy
…there is no need for factory ‘farmed’ barned animals in NZ except greed…and it will probably make environmental issues worse eg far greater numbers ‘farmed’ ( every man and his dog will want to get in on it) and far greater potential effluent in waterways and contamination and depletion of rivers…I have met French and Italians who don’t like farm-barned animals…whole farm regions go smelly
….and do we want the animal antibiotic issues they have in the USA?
Of course non point discharge is a problem, but a manageable one depending on soil properties, farm infrastructure, the location of waterways around the paddocks, and the nature of the catchment involved.
I thought cows in their ‘natural’ state were forest dwelling animals. Quite like the idea of fields being replanted to some degree to offer a more natural environment incorporating shelter and a wider source of food for the animals and more diverse ‘crops’ for human use.
Depends on the trees and forest doesn’t it? And the breed of cow. We keep stock outside in winter pretty much everywhere. The issue about bad weather for the industrial model is that cows need to eat more (ie less profit). If you see the trees as productive beyond their use as shelter then that is less of an issue (eg timber, nuts, forage, coppicing, carbon sinking etc). We need to start thinking holistically.
Wow, right up there with sow crates and battery hen farming.T here’s major health issues and it will ruin the industry. I’m with Hans all the way. Still sell ourselves as clean and green nah.
What will reduce the amount of effluent in the water is lower stocking rates so the available cow shit is spread over more land. Farming cows in suitable climates also helps. Putting them in barns is needed when the weather is harsh (snowing) and this is about the only time they should be in shelter.
Try driving around parts of this country in the summer with the car window down, from Dundein to Christchurch all you can smell is cow shit.
Reducing stocking rates would be a good start, but the problem isn’t just the water. It’s what big heavy hoofed animals do to soil too. This is why Southland farmers overwinter their stock in Central – the land just gets too boggy. Even if you manage the shit problem, I just don’t think there is any way to sustainably farm dairy industrially. I know of smaller scale organic dairy farms that use different practices, and we could probably get by for a long time with those supplying milk etc for NZ. But extraction farming for export, there’s just no way to do that with dairy and not make a big fucking mess.
Yes, but are you suggesting that all farms go organic Weka? Because that will create other issues, like a huge drop in government revenue and all of the downstream problems…
I do agree that reducing stock rates is another solution, already happening near large waterways I understand (Taupo, Waikato River I think)
Capping stocking rates, better fence and riparian strip maintenance, improved herd and paddock management, will all help the environment significantly.
It’s not a hard ask. Lots of farmers are doing it already.
I don’t know that overwintering in Central is really solving any problem. The ground freezes up there in winter so if you spread cowshit around outside it probably isn’t going anywhere until the first rain washes it off hard ground into the nearest waterway.
There is I believe already a problem with human waste and septic tanks doing just that in some communities. St Bathans?
It’s already being done RB, in places where it works. It’s not like Central freezes over for months at a time 😉 I assume the stocking rates are much less too.
But yeah, it’s not really viable in the long term.
I must visit at the wrong time Weka -it’s usually b freezing when I am there. At the back of my mind I’m assuming that this is a rerun of the intensive Mackenzie basin farming proposals. Even if the ground is only frozen for 6 weeks 18000 codes are going to produce a lot of shit. Perhaps us poor peasants will be able to dry and burn it as fuel
Not really, especially as he makes no secret or excuses for either.
Come on, don’t be so precious. Surely if we can be told to fu*k off back to our own countries without admonishment, we can handle a little of the above?
Yea … it was pretty nasty and judgemental!
Complete and utter kaka and bullshit as well.
I could begin with a brother’s IQ …. I could then go on to ask why a certain former head of the drug squad (a Rangi Rangihika) used to wonder why those addicted that he encountered/busted were extremely intelligent – completely to his wonderment, and what he should do about it. (In the days before we had the Police’s worst enemy – Greg O’Connor)
Don’t get me wrong tho’ te Allen – I’m not a supporter of smack heads’ actions – just not as ready to pretend to myself how so much better I am than they are. There’s an obviously highly intelligent Ure that could probably shit on me any day – and I suspect definitely shit on you.
Oh… btw – there are also rent-a-quote CantyUni Criminologists and others the MSM seem totally in lerv with who could probably give you an education on it all – rather than the schooling you’ve obviously so far received.
Your over reaction is as funny as your loyalty admirable.
If you’re really that bothered I’ll retract, as ‘extrapolating an undeniable scientific fact from a sample size of 1’ seems to offend so much when I do it 😉
You miss the point. It’s not that you were a junkie, nor the fact your writing style rips eyes from skulls, but the oversimplified, dismissive tone of your boast.
Live by crass generalisations, then die by crass generalisations. It’s not nice is it?
Lucky for you, you had a couple of guys backing up your claim because they didn’t want your feelings hurt, though their silence on your borderline racist tone is a bit deafening.
I’m no more ‘pc’ than you are a friend of convivial writing, but that’s all way beside the point.
But whilst we’re at it, so to speak, what’s with signing each and every post about?
You know your handle is appears above your comments, right?
Is it ego that you need to see your name twice, or is you think we’re all too dumb we need telling twice? 😆
“..it is actually links to facts/evidence that back the claims i made..”
No, it doesn’t. I’ve searched your blog before for back up to the claims you make, and they’re just not there. The onus is on you mate, to provide the back up here on ts. Or at least link to a single blogpost that backs up your claims so we know which ones you consider to be useful.
“..i grew up eating eating greasy bacon for breakfast..and ‘$1.50 pies’..
..and was fat and unhealthy as..”
Pity you don’t understand the underlying mechanism though.
Fat is an essential nutrient for humans. Without it our brains and hormones don’t work properly. I had a look at the rationale you present, which is this article in the Herald.
(and btw, “the MoH says so” isn’t evidence that backs up your views).
Lack of exercise, $1.50 pies, an abundance of fried chicken and traditional Polynesian food served with lashings of coconut cream have resulted in an obesity rate in Pacific adults of more than 60 per cent.
However…
Tokelau is a group of three atolls located in the South Pacific Ocean with approximately 1400 inhabitants. Administratively it belongs to New Zealand.
From a dietary point of view the case of Tokelau is very interesting: we can observe what happens when a population transitions from their traditional diet to a more westernized one, and back.
When Captain Wilkes visited Tokelau with his scientists, they reported that the people living there were very healthy, and to their surprise most of their diet was composed of coconut and fish, and some breadfruit (a starchy melon). There were no signs of plant cultivation.
In the 1920s, their diet was:
70% from coconut. So, more than 50% of this diet was fat.
90% of this fat, was saturated fat.
Health problems at that time:
skin diseases
asthma
infectious diseases (chicken pox, measles, leprosy). No chronic diseases were recorded (trained physicians had been available since 1917).
The article goes on to look at what happened to the Tokelauan population when half of it immigrated to NZ and adopted a Western diet. Upshot is a massively huge increase in diabetes, heart disease etc. Biggest change in diet? Less fat and increase in refined carbohydrates. The original research on this was the Tokelau Island Migration Study. You can google it for more detail.
This pattern is demonstrated again and again all over the world. Take people away from their traditional diets, even high fat ones, and feed them white flour and white sugar, and watch diabetes and heart disease arrive (looks like cancer and possibly Alzheimers too).
The “traditional Polynesion food is the problem” line being run by the MoH and the Herald is the same colonisation shit that’s been going on for the past few hundred years in the Pacific. It’s not the traditional food that’s the problem, it’s the whitey food (actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).
You got it. Refined flour and sugar. Most people will do themselves a world of good simply by cutting those items back by 30%. Of course, cheap lower quality food is full of this stuff.
Always nice to see the food police jump instantly to a (seriously complex and difficult-to-implement) taxation solution for food. Because food preparation doesn’t require time or knowledge, if we make tofu $1/kilogram everyone will magically be able to feed their families a low-carb low-fat lean-protein micronutrient-balanced stirfry.
Sooo, John Banks the eloquent little botox queen is said to have approached a supporter of Penny Bright at the Auckland District Court intoning in a voice only they could here that the woman was a ‘Bush Pig’,
If that’s the way you want to play the game Herr Banks all well and good, i am off today to have a conversation with that bloke McCready to see what material help he needs, if any,(which i will gladly supply),
It’s just come to my attention that Graham McCready is on the bones of His ‘proverbial’, dealing to Banks on the shoe-string of a benefit,
i am sure if He needs it,transport to and from the airport down here can be arranged and flight costs covered,
i was peeved when the case was moved to Auckland, but understand now the cost of moving the necessary witnesses down to Wellington would be an impossibility for Mr McCready, but, if Botox Banks(the already once convicted), wants to engage in a little post-courtroom debate i will be sorely tempted to drag myself up that way and deliver Him the same message he got at the point of His first conviction,(boy didn’t the Rat scurry in a hurry on that day)…
…..the fact is that even though I had owned the same apartment in the Auckland CBD for more than a decade, the voting papers hadn’t turned up.
And in spite of good intentions, I didn’t get around to sorting it out before the election closed.
But frankly, I don’t believe Brown is doing anything near enough to ensure this city’s economic growth steps up.
Yes, Fran’s just so concerned about the future of the city she lives in. In spit of that, she just couldn’t be bothered to pick up the phone and exercise her democratic right to chose the Mayor, Councillors and members of the community and district health boards for the next three years.
I wouldn’t want to rely on her assistance if she was “concerned” about me!
Doesn’t Fran O’Sullivan’s latest piece of Jonolism give off a distinct reek of insanity, in all Her lazy rotundness O’Sullivan couldn’t be bothered to vote until that is She learned of what goes on in Len Brown’s bedroom, what a pathetic waste of space,
Can Fran please tell all, i want to know what goes on in Her bedroom befor i decide to read her abysmal column in the morning,
On second thoughts, cancel that, the thought of getting a glimpse into the goings on in Fran’s bedroom first fills me with horror and secondly gives me the urge to barf…
Xxx
Thanks for the link to Fran’s confession. Small wonder why folks south of Auckland, couldn’t care less about all of this media circus. It reflects poorly on
Orkland, Super City, Rodney Hyde, National government, and the huge imbalance of power that now Auckland represents. Most Kiwis don’t live in Auckland and resent Auckland centric ‘culture’ and media. Don’t vote, it only encourages them. Seems to be the Auckland way.
The fix is regional development as the only regional activity doing ‘well’ is dairying and thats screwing up our waterways, land profiles etc.
cities will always have a certain attraction be it work, family, facilities but akl is a bit if a basket case after the curtis,woods,banks legacy gives way to nacts engineered takover via supercity.
oshillivan is a fool to admit not voting but thats not news really.
Another case of irony in that Mr Wewege lost his position because of sexual relationship and Bevan Chuang.
The Herald:
“The Washington-based Diplomatic Courier magazine last month named Luigi Wewege as one of the top 99 foreign policy professionals under 33, because of his efforts to “foster intellectual dialogue and relationships between New Zealand youth and the world decision-makers of today and tomorrow”.
But his profile was pulled from the international affairs website yesterday after the editors became concerned about his role in the Auckland mayoral sex scandal…………
Managing editor Chrisella Herzog contacted the Herald to confirm the veracity of Facebook messages sent between Mr Wewege, a member of the John Palino campaign team, and Bevan Chuang, who publicly revealed a two-year affair with Auckland Mayor Len Brown.
Come back Kim Hill, urgently! Saturday Morning, Radio NZ National, 19 October 2013
Kim Hill’s Saturday morning show, along with Chris Laidlaw’s and occasionally Bryan Crump’s, is one of the few times that New Zealand audiences can hear top-quality conversations with interesting people about serious topics. So the many fans of Kim Hill’s show are always concerned when she is on leave, as she is now. Will the replacement be up to it? Will she maintain Kim Hill’s exceptionally high standards?
Well, it turns out that Kim’s replacement today is one Susie Ferguson and, unfortunately, she is just not up to it.
Shortly after that, she came to our attention again, this time by her obtuse and foolish questions to a movie distributor, who treated her with barely restrained contempt…. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-667846
(Aficionados of disruption strategies will note our friend McFlock‘s inept attempts to derail the discussion.)
This morning, after 8 o’clock, she read out the lineup for the morning, including this gem of crazed political correctness: “After eleven, breast cancer and what it’s like for a man when their partner is diagnosed….”
Then it’s on to business. Her first guest was Professor Martin Jacques, a British expert on China and author of When China Rules the World: The Rise of the Middle Kingdom and the End of the Western World.
Remember, Suzy Ferguson is quite happy to parrot the most prejudicial and demeaning language cooked up by government spin-doctors to taunt political dissenters in the West. This morning, however, she appears to have changed her spots about human rights: her questions, even about business and economic matters, all come with an anti-Chinese Government slant. Eventually, her crass questioning gets under the skin of her guest….
MARTIN JACQUES: The Chinese will not be lectured by the West. I have not heard you say ANYTHING that acknowledges the immense progress China has made since 1978.
…..[Awkward hiatus]…..
SUSIE FERGUSON: I’m asking you why you’re such a fan.
A little later, the crass and insidious comments continue….
MARTIN JACQUES: The internet has revolutionized Chinese knowledge. SUSIE FERGUSON: But in a limited wayyyyyy….
[…..A little later…..]
SUSIE FERGUSON: As Chinese power increases, how do you think the West will react? [She seems unfazed by Dr. Jacques’ irritated silence and presses on] I mean, do you think the West will take it lying down?
The “interview” winds down to an ignominious end, but Susie Ferguson’s mission is not over yet. She takes what I imagine she thinks is revenge by reading out a few telegrams….
SUSIE FERGUSON: There are quite a few texts and e-mails. He’s provoked quite a bit of feedback has Dr. Jacques! Walter writes: “China executes more people than any other country. What they’ve done to Tibet is what they could do to us.” Neil writes: “We should be very cautious….”
Appointing Susie Ferguson to Saturday mornings, even if it is just for a couple of weeks, amounts to gross failure in a time slot listeners have come to presume will be four hours of quality radio.
Thanks for linking to those older threads, Morrissey, somehow I managed to completely miss the multiple examples of how non “word-perfect” your “transcripts” truly are.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them, and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.
Your disaffection with me came suddenly, and it had nothing to do with questions of accuracy. It came after I had the temerity to lampoon people who you supported. For instance, there was my transcription of an interview with the hapless Hekia Parata, back before she was Minister of Education…. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-30082011/#comment-369467
For some reason you have failed to convince anyone on this forum of, you backed the hapless Ms. Parata and her deepwater drilling plans. You also objected to my transcript of a outlandish, bizarre television appearance by Air New Zealand CEO Rob Fyfe, when he assured New Zealanders that Tokyo was “perfectly safe” even while the Japanese government was on the brink of ordering the evacuation of the city…. http://thestandard.org.nz/meltdown-at-fukushima/#comment-314634
Your objections to my transcripts are ideological. You need to be honest.
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
So I’ll reply up to the point I stopped reading:
“When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them,”
Yes, because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions. I’ve done several transcriptions of various things myself over time and I know how much effort goes into making them. So I was thankful that someone was transcribing snippets from National Radio, snippets that 95% of the time I don’t get a chance to hear, so was glad for them to be recorded.
My praise lasted up until I actually heard an interview myself that you had “transcribed”, and I discovered just how loose your “transcriptions” were.
“and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.”
More flowery waffle on your part. I didn’t “recognise” that you “capture[d] the essential quality of the discussions”, I thought they were actual transcriptions, as I describe above.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
“Literally” stopped reading, did you? You know, embellishing a lie in such a childish manner doesn’t change the fact it’s a lie. “Literally”. As they’d respond on the Panel: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
….because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions.
They were accurate, and they continue to be accurate, and you know it.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
You are, to put it politely, disingenuous. You were outraged that my transcript had shown up Parata in all her bumbling incoherence and vacuity. The highlight of that grim interview was when she claimed that the National government’s oil drilling “policy” had “a variety of various variables”. You actually support the moronic policies she was so ineptly espousing that day, and even more moronic ones than that, as shown by your defiant insistence that the Fukushima catastrophe was being over-hyped by greenies.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I am more than happy for people to compare our respective credibility, or lack of it. My transcripts ARE reliable—-I couldn’t dream up characters who exhibit the cruelty, moral turpitude, vanity, pomposity or stupidity of people like Chris Trotter, Stephen Franks, Garth McVicar or any of the other people who I pin down for posterity.
You would be quite justified if you had pointed out that I make minor errors now and again, but you have unwisely chosen to exaggerate, demean and distort what I do. I am not a liar, I did not make up Hekia Parata’s hopelessness, or Rob Fyfe’s surreal brand of idiocy. You for some bizarre reason support those fools. Don’t try to pretend that your attempts to undermine me are anything more than ideologically motivated spite.
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
In our rush to exploit the Chinese people for our own benefits, we are too quick to overlook at the actions of the governing regime that facilitates this exploitation.
To quote from a Guardian review of Jacque’s book:
Western states frequently do not meet their own standards any more than China does. But I agree with Rousseau, Kant and Paine that all human beings have a sense of self and are thus worthy of equal respect as individuals, as I agree with Aristotle and Plato about the importance of due desert underpinning justice. There is a universal hunger for these values which does not stop at China’s borders because of some mystical adherence to Asian values. We all want to live lives we have reason to value – whether we are Chinese or British.
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
Indeed.
The country with the second highest absolute numbers of enslaved is China, with an estimated 2,800,000 to 3,100,000 in modern slavery. The China country study5 suggests that this includes the forced labour of men, women and children in many parts of the economy, including domestic servitude and forced begging, the sexual exploitation of women and children, and forced marriage.
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
Chinese do not have trade unions, environmental regulations, labour laws or social safety nets, and its massive slave workforce keeps wages down all over the world.
As I said before on this site. It is not Reagan or Thatcher that western boardrooms should be thanking. It is Deng Xiaopeng.
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
You are correct, millsy. We also need to understand why the Chinese have nothing but contempt for people like Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who presume to lecture them about human rights.
I’d like the USA to remain as the dominant superpower but I’m not bothered if/when China take over as was shown with how they’ve handled Hong Kong they seem quite pragmatic
I’d like the USA to remain as the dominant superpower
In a lot of ways this would be a good thing but we have seen now is the US is essentially captured as a state within a state which cannot even govern itself or look after its own people. It’s not good to see.
In reality, only the banks and those with many properties benefit from high house prices: high prices mean that people will have to take out larger mortgages for longer periods of time, which means more money in interest payments for the banks.
Because the banks have a license to print money. If we want affordable housing we need to rescind that license.
It’s not that simple moron. We really do need to support our society, what we don’t need is a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us through charging interest.
What definition of the word security/collateral are you using?
I’m using the standard financial definition which is an asset that can be leveraged against in order to secure additional funding. The $1.6B used to bail out SCF does not fall into the category of being such an asset.
When the GFC started the government instituted the Retail Depositors Scheme. Now, the financial institutions that went into the scheme paid some amount to do so but there’s no way that they paid in enough to even cover the $1.6b used to cover the failure of SFC. The security used to raise the extra was the taxpayers of NZ.
No it’s not. It’s exactly what was being discussed. The banks get to loan out as much money as they can until they collapse at which point the government will step in to bail them out.
No, the problem is still the same. Due to the intertwined nature of the global financial system if one bank goes down it’s possible that it would take several others with it and they won’t necessarily be in the same country. The “losses” will be counted in the tens to to hundreds of billions if not more. That’s why the governments of the world stepped in when the banking system failed in 2007/8 and also why our government stepped in when the BNZ failed (sometime around the same time period the US government did the same for a failing bank in the US).
The governments are absolutely terrified of the private banks failing and thus the banks have an implicit government guarantee. A guarantee that is backed by the taxpayers.
Dare I say it taxes are a type of ‘fraud and usuary’ of governments. The worker pays taxes then also banks his/her savings and is actively encouraged by governments to do so eg. kiwisaver schemes. Governments/treasuries/ Reserve Banks actually have no money- it is a fiction, hence so are government guarantees ( e.g. bonds, Retail depositor schemes)
Paper money, cheques, Eftpos, bonds, guarantees……They are all “currency”, a figment of imagination from the source onto the the end of the money trail – you; the taxpayer and the worker who re-circulates it.
In terms of currency, accrual and flow (tax revenues included are used by private banks in the flow of currency- it isn’t idiocy CV), there is no difference between private banks or central banks and the massive ‘con-job’ between Governments and banks colluding to ‘bleed society to death’ ( UT).
Also true words “a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us …” but not just in interest charges DTB- as a type of ‘fraud’ happens before we are paying bank fees, interest etc . It is our savings that are being used without consent and then we give the banks fees for the priviledge of having the workers money
– “Never in human history have so many been plundered by so few..”
Released recently part 3 of “Hidden Secrets of Money”
The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind – Maloney.M. 2013
Personally- not a big hidden secret but more likely a concept that has not been well understood by the ‘worker’. Found this video and its visuals a great way to illustrate the myth of there being money, with easy to understand terminology of money ‘mumbo-jumbo’.
travellerev posted “Shade” the Motion Picture link recently too. Adds further dimensions to the discussions and understandings of who are the global “controllers”. Worth due time to watch.
Yes, Mr Shearer’s input was very pleasant, funny and quite enjoyable! Comes across as a nice, witty and clever guy. Shows how being a leader was so onerous and restrictive to his usual persona.
In the clip his input is right at the start of the programme in this episode which itself he began and then again at 7′ onwards when he was grilled and gave his winning responses.
Chris (“Haw Haw”) Trotter is something of a left/liberal icon in this country, and a political north star for many Standardisti, who clearly set their own bearings by what he says and writes. Generally Trotter writes well and contributes valuable insights. However, like all of us, he is certainly not perfect. In 2007 he suffered a public dressing down from John Minto after he (Trotter) had made some ignorant comments backing the police raids in the Urewera country. Minto damned his comments as “shallow”, “pompous”, “weak” and “potentially damaging” to the victims of the raids…. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0710/S00415.htm
Since then, Trotter has got worse, not better. As a regular guest on Jim Mora’s Panel, he has slotted in seamlessly with that show’s glib and casually cruel zeitgeist; Trotter has been one of the more heartless taunters of political dissidents like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden…. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14062013/#comment-648511
But such irresponsible, craven behaviour, such gross misjudgements and failures of empathy have done little to shake the faith of Trotter’s most dedicated followers. They stayed on board, even after he delivered a windy and pompous admonition of those who might dare to criticise the infamous jury verdict in the Trayvon Martin case.
In shock and horror at what I heard, I provided a rush transcript of Trotter’s fustian lecture. Of course, not having a working tape recorder, and not being an expert in shorthand, I didn’t get it one hundred per cent correct. That’s all that the Trotteristi needed; they piled on with the ferocity of Red Guards going after a capitalist running dog, hammering on the fact that I hadn’t captured the great orator’s words perfectly….. http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-668899
Despite that, this writer (i.e., moi) is always willing to concede that his critics have a point, and in a spirit of reconciliation, I acknowledged that. One of my critics has been our friend McFlock, and after he took the trouble to actually provide a transcript of Trotter’s infamous words, I acknowledged his efforts….
MORRISSEY: Thanks for transcribing that, McFlock. I can see that I missed a lot, and you have a valid point in disagreeing with my interpretation of Trotter’s comments. I did render his words a little more pointedly than they actually were. However, I think that even when you compare my admittedly imperfect rush “transcript” to your word-perfect transcript, I have captured the essential pomposity of his speaking style and the gist of his admonition to the lesser mortals in the studio to respect that outrageous verdict in Florida. Trotter was speaking slowly and sententiously, as if he was defending the Western system of justice; what he was actually doing was defending a grievous miscarriage of justice. His suggestion that there were “items of evidence which would raise reasonable doubt I think in most people’s minds” was not backed up at all, and disappointingly, Noelle McCarthy failed to demand he did so.
You are right to time the silences; they’re not as long as I recalled them in my mind, but they are significant nonetheless. Noelle McCarthy was, I believe, genuinely lost for words after listening to that. So was I.
The response, however, did not burnish our friend’s diplomatic credentials….
McFLOCK: oh fuck off. So let’s say you “captured” trotter’s pompousness (personally, I think you overstated it). That means that you are (at best) a dadaesque caricaturist of discourse. So are all the claims as to near word perfect accuracy simply self-delusion, or are you trying to mimic Sacha baron Cohen’s immersion satire? http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712089
Readers with an IQ above room temperature will note that McFlock attempts to derail and inflame the discussion by comparing my serious (and admittedly imperfect) criticism of a media commentator with the behaviour of a callous and brutally dishonest propagandist/comedian.
But let’s save the discussion of provocative hate-comedians like Bernard Manning, Andrew Dice Clay and Sacha Baron Cohen for another day.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
And I chose SBC because he is known for constantly staying in character, much in the same way that you stay in the character of stupid dickhead.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
My transcripts—occasionally a little too slapdash and impressionistic for some tastes—-are done quickly and published very soon after the offending broadcast. I am more than happy for you or anyone else to provide a word-perfect transcript for people to compare and contrast with mine. As we saw with my rendition of Chris Trotter’s infamous defence of shonky Deep South juries, my version is usually pretty much spot on. Of course people can quibble about whether I described the timbre of his voice fairly, or whether I effectively evoked the horrified silence that fell over the people he was admonishing, but the determined effort by a few hardline Trotteristi was, and remains, an exercise in attempted political assassination. In a non-frightening, Standard sort of way, of course.
Yes Chris. Did you see the part where whale was implying that Orsman had made up quotes from Whale? ie, the part where whale had been tweeting nonsense based on the same mistake Fish made?
The Auckland Mayoral debacle is a serious diversion away from really serious issues – one of which is the lack of investment in essential infrastructure in the South Island. On SH1, the main route from Picton to NZ’s second city, there’s an old rickety, single lane bridge over a major river. Up till fairly recently all traffic on SH1 had to cross an even more rickety old 2 tier bridge with the railway line on the top tier. the train still goes across it.
When the mighty Waimakirirri River is in flood, the old wooden bridge at Kaiapoi has to be closed in case it gets washed away, leaving just the motorway bridge. Cyclists just have to wait until the river drops or they can get a lift across the motorway bridge.
Matters are exacerbated when the Ashley River is in flood and the old bridge at Rangiora has to be closed for safety reasons which diverts all traffic north of the river onto SH1. When both rivers are in flood as happened last week – there are just two ways into ChCh by road from the north – the SH1 bridge and the old one lane gorge bridge 90kms upstream.
And that’s aside from the implications to SH1 and the only railway line – of landslides or tsunami pretty much all the way from Blenheim to Cheviot.
We think of slavery as a practice of the past, an image from Roman colonies or 18th-century American plantations, but the practice of enslaving human beings as property still exists. There are 29.8 million people living as slaves right now, according to a comprehensive new report issued by the Australia-based Walk Free Foundation.
And, yes, NZ is represented as having slaves, approximately 500.
Depends entirely on the definition of “slave”. I would suggest that America has many many more than 60,000. There’s a whole economy based on low-paid ($1-3 hour) prison inmates that produce massive amounts of products cheaply, including large amounts of military hardware such as uniforms and basic equipment. To the point that states trade prison inmates between themselves in order to fulfill government contracts…
Probably a combination of sex slaves and workers in slave like conditions (technically paid but the bills that the employer charges the employed are more than the pay) all of which will be foreign born. We here of some of these in the news every now and then but for some reason they’re not called what they are.
Judith Collins is going to speak to the China Executive Leadership Academy about government transparency and accountability. Is she aware of the irony of a Minister of a sly, secretive, unwilling to accept accountability ‘government’ talking about those subjects? A bit like Ruth Richardson and Roger Douglas talking to foreign governments about economic stewardship- what a fucking joke.
DUTCH KING TELLS THE POOR: “BUILD YOUR OWN SAFETY NETS”
No, this is not a Monty Python sketch. The King of the Netherlands, Willem-Alexander announced the end of the welfare state in a speech written by the government. But while the population of the Netherlands has faced some of the most severe austerity measures in Europe, the monarchy has cut nothing from the £31m it receives from the taxpayer each year – overtaking the Windsors as the most expensive monarchy in Europe…..
What has happened in Auckland in the last 3-4years? People on the street and on the beach are so defensive so as to scare other people away. People hog the footpath so I have to walk on the road. What happened to altruism, manners, thoughtfulness? I wonder if it’s like this in other Western countries.
NZ slaves are on Korean fishing boats thank to National delaying implementation of new rules preventing such conditions.
Other slaves on farm labour are made to work huge hours 80 hrs plus only getting paid 40 to 45 hrs.
National again don’t bother funding osh labour dept mobie
Forestry workers made to work long unsafe hours killing workers!
Religious fundamentalists such as thr exclusive bretheren who force marriages force labour again National implicated!
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In today’s digital age, mobile devices have become an indispensable part of our daily lives. Among the vast array of portable computing options available, iPads and tablet computers stand out as two prominent contenders. While both offer similar functionalities, there are subtle yet significant differences between these two devices. This ...
A computer is an electronic device that can be programmed to carry out a set of instructions. The basic components of a computer are the processor, memory, storage, input devices, and output devices. The Processor The processor, also known as the central processing unit (CPU), is the brain of the ...
Voice Memos is a convenient app on your iPhone that allows you to quickly record and store audio snippets. These recordings can be useful for a variety of purposes, such as taking notes, capturing ideas, or recording interviews. While you can listen to your voice memos on your iPhone, you ...
Laptop screens are essential for interacting with our devices and accessing information. However, when lines appear on the screen, it can be frustrating and disrupt productivity. Understanding the underlying causes of these lines is crucial for finding effective solutions. Types of Screen Lines Horizontal lines: Also known as scan ...
Right-clicking is a common and essential computer operation that allows users to access additional options and settings. While most desktop computers have dedicated right-click buttons on their mice, laptops often do not have these buttons due to space limitations. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on how to right-click ...
Powering up and shutting down your ASUS laptop is an essential task for any laptop user. Locating the power button can sometimes be a hassle, especially if you’re new to ASUS laptops. This article will provide a comprehensive guide on where to find the power button on different ASUS laptop ...
Dell laptops are renowned for their reliability, performance, and versatility. Whether you’re a student, a professional, or just someone who needs a reliable computing device, a Dell laptop can meet your needs. However, if you’re new to Dell laptops, you may be wondering how to get started. In this comprehensive ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
I was initially resistant to the idea often suggested to me that the Government should deliver an arts strategy. The whole point of the arts and creativity is that people should do whatever the hell they want, unbound by the dictates of politicians in Wellington. Peter Jackson, Kiri Te Kanawa, Eleanor ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anastasia Powell, Professor, Family and Sexual Violence, RMIT University It has been a particularly distressing start to the year. There is little that can ease the current grief of individuals, families and communities who have needlessly lost a loved one to men’s ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gregory Moore, Senior Research Associate, School of Ecosystem and Forest Sciences, The University of Melbourne Lichen, the first described example of symbiosis.AdeJ Artventure/Shutterstock Once known only to those studying biology, the word symbiosis is now widely used. Symbiosis is the intimate ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kim Hemsley, Head, Childhood Dementia Research Group, Flinders Health and Medical Research Institute, College of Medicine and Public Health, Flinders University Olena Ivanova/Shutterstock “Childhood” and “dementia” are two words we wish we didn’t have to use together. But sadly, around 1,400 ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Whiteford, Professor, Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University The government’s Economic Inclusion Advisory Committee has just published its second report. It was set up by Treasurer Jim Chalmers and Minister for Social Services Amanda Rishworth in 2022 to provide: ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne The Queensland state election will be held in October. A YouGov poll for The Courier Mail, conducted April 9–17 from a sample ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amin Naeni, PhD candidate at Alfred Deakin Institute for Citizenship and Globalisation, Deakin University There’s been much talk in recent months about what a possible second Donald Trump presidency in the United States could mean for Europe, Russia’s war in Ukraine, the ...
A brief round-up of submissions on the controversial proposed law. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Last week, submissions on the controversial Fast-track Approvals Bill closed just hours after the government released a list of stakeholder organisations who were sent letters advising how they could ...
A poem from Robin Peace’s new collection Detritus of Empire: feather / grass / rock. Cereal giving I see a woman’s hands, see her curious hands break a stalk as she walks through the tall prairie, the savannah, the steppe, wherever it was. See her idly bite the grass that ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Hemingway’s Goblet by Dermot Ross (Mary Egan Publishing, $38)A handsomely produced (debossed cover, lovely ...
The Commissioner's decision validates the longstanding efforts of the local community and ensures that Awataha Marae will be managed to serve the needs of the local community, particularly for hosting tangihanga. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tristan Salles, Associate professor, University of Sydney Examples of Australian landscapes.Unsplash Seventy thousand years ago, the sea level was much lower than today. Australia, along with New Guinea and Tasmania, formed a connected landmass known as Sahul. Around this time – ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Felicity Castagna, Lecturer, Creative Writing, Western Sydney University Day Day Market, ParramattaPhoto: Garry Trinh I live on the edge of Parramatta, Australia’s fastest-growing city, on the kind of old-fashioned suburban street that has 1950s fibros constructed in the post-war housing boom, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michael Ryan, Teaching Fellow in Economics, University of Waikato GettyImagesfatido/Getty Images There is an ongoing global debate over whether the high inflation seen in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic can be lowered without a recession. New Zealand is not ...
The ‘Wicked Game’ heartthrob is in his late 60s now. That didn’t stop him putting on a lively, goofy and very sparkly show. Apart from ‘Wicked Game’, which graces a sultry playlist of mine simply called 💋, my last sustained Chris Isaak listening session took place when I was about ...
Analysis - Two ministers were stripped of portfolios in a warning to Cabinet, drama broke out at the Waitangi Tribunal, and the gang patch ban bill ran into opposition. ...
Tara Ward makes an impassioned plea for some vital pop culture merch. In April 1999, I became obsessed with a new reality television show called Popstars. Every Tuesday night, five strangers transformed into music royalty before my very eyes as Joe, Keri, Carly, Erika and Megan were chosen to form ...
PNG Post-Courier In the early hours of ANZAC Day, aerial photographs captured an impressive gathering of Australians and Papua New Guineans at Isurava in the Northern (Oro) Province. The solemn dawn service yesterday was held at a site steeped in history, where some of the fiercest battles of World War ...
The PSA is shocked that Oranga Tamariki has used the cost cutting drive to downgrade its commitment to Te Ao Māori and remove many specialist Māori roles. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ian Kemish, Adjunct Professor, School of Historical and Philosophical Inquiry, The University of Queensland There can be no more powerful symbol of the relationship between Australia and Papua New Guinea than the prime ministers of these neighbouring countries walking together on the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sharon Robinson, Distinguished Professor and Deputy Director of ARC Securing Antarctica’s Environmental Future (SAEF), University of Wollongong, University of Wollongong Andrew Netherwood Over the last 25 years, the ozone hole which forming over Antarctica each spring has started to shrink. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Viktoria Kahui, Senior Lecturer in Environmental Economics, University of Otago Getty Images/Amy Toensing Biodiversity is declining at rates unprecedented in human history. This suggests the ways we currently use to manage our natural environment are failing. One emerging concept focuses on ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Timothy Colin Bednall, Associate Professor in Management, Swinburne University of Technology marvent/Shutterstock Finding the best person to fill a position can be tough, from drafting a job ad to producing a shortlist of top interview candidates. Employers typically consider information from ...
Wondering where to host your next BYO? Whether its a small gathering or a massive party, we’ve got some recommendations. I was first introduced to the concept of BYOs at Dunedin’s India Gardens, a legendary but sadly defunct establishment, which purveyed enormous quantities of mango chicken to Aotearoa’s drunkest future ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julien Cooper, Honorary Lecturer, Department of History and Archaeology, Macquarie University Julien Cooper The hyper-arid desert of Eastern Sudan, the Atbai Desert, seems like an unlikely place to find evidence of ancient cattle herders. But in this dry environment, my new ...
The sector says it’s hopeful her replacement Paul Goldsmith will be able to throw it a lifeline, after six months with a minister deemed missing in action, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign ...
The government can't just rely on axing public sector jobs and has to do more to cut spending, says the chief economist at a free market think tank. ...
Rock The Vote NZ, known for its advocacy for minor party unity and its role within the Freedoms NZ Coalition during the 2023 General Election, celebrates this merger as a strategic enhancement of its operational strength and outreach. ...
Nearly everyone has experienced the frustration of something you use breaking and being difficult or expensive to fix. Proposed legislation could change that. It’s been raining on and off all Sunday afternoon but people are lining up outside a building in a corner of Gribblehirst Park in Sandringham, Auckland. In ...
What does a forever relationship look like when you don’t believe in marriage? And how do you celebrate it? This essay is part of our Sunday Essay series, made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.I’m going to do it, right now. I’m going to say ...
The Prime Minister has committed to resuming direct flights to Thailand. But it’s not a promise he will be able to deliver on anytime soon. The post Prime Minister jumps the gun in Thailand appeared first on Newsroom. ...
It’s not that long ago Eliza McCartney was seriously wondering if the Paris Olympics would be her pole vaulting swansong. After years of being hounded by injury after injury, the Rio Olympics bronze medallist was still confident she would compete at her second Olympics in Paris in July, unless something ...
FICTION 1 Take Two by Danielle Hawkins (Allen & Unwin, $36.99) There’s commercial fiction, like this book, and then there’s quality fiction, quality writers, quality literature; the forthcoming Auckland Writers Festival is full of quality, and ReadingRoom has two tickets to give away to the following events: Paul Lynch (Dublin ...
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You can’t have missed the Gallipoli story as the movies, documentaries, essays and books capture what it was like for New Zealand troops in their eight-month campaign on the Peninsula. But this Anzac Day the Auckland War Memorial Museum has published a book that sheds light on a little-known aspect of the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra In the free-for-all between the Australian government and Big Tech boss Elon Musk this week, the government had to be on a winner. Most people would have little sympathy with Musk’s vociferous opposition to ...
Asia Pacific Report Chief Mandla Mandela, a member of the National Assembly of South Africa and Nelson Mandela’s grandson, has joined the Freedom Flotilla in istanbul as the ships prepare to sail for Gaza, reports Kia Ora Gaza. Mandela is also the ambassador for the Global Campaign to Return to ...
Pacific Media Watch Journalists who report on environmental issues are encountering growing difficulties in many parts of the world, reports Reporters Without Borders. According to the tally kept by RSF, 200 journalists have been subjected to threats and physical violence, including murder, in the past 10 years because they were ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards, Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)Political scientist, Dr Bryce Edwards. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has surprised everyone with his ruthlessness in sacking two of his ministers from their crucial portfolios. Removing ministers for poor performance after only five months in the job just doesn’t normally happen in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Hawkins, Senior Lecturer, Canberra School of Politics, Economics and Society, University of Canberra BagzhanSadvakassov/Upsplash, CC BY-SA Australia’s inflation rate has fallen for the fifth successive quarter, and it’s now less than half of what it was back in late 2022. ...
ACT's Rural Communities and Veterans spokesman Mark Cameron responds to cancellations and protests of ANZAC Day commemorations in Wellington. He says, "These pitiful attempts to detract from ANZAC Day are not at all indicative of the feelings of mainstream ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Meighen McCrae, Associate Professor of Strategic & Defence Studies, Australian National University American and Australian stretcher bearers working together near the front line during the Battle of Hamel in 1918.Australian War Memorial While the AUKUS alliance is new, the Australian-American partnership ...
Pōneke based peace activists staged a silent protest at the ANZAC day service to highlight New Zealand’s complicity in war and genocide, and urge the government to take concrete steps to stop the genocide in Palestine. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Magdalena M.E. Bunbury, Postdoctoral Researcher, James Cook University Burial with a horse at the Rákóczifalva site, Hungary (8th century AD).Sándor Hegedűs, Hungarian National Museum, CC BY How do we understand past societies? For centuries, our main sources of information have been ...
Amanda Thompson doesn’t really do Anzac Day. But what she does do is remember the people she knew who had a lifetime to remember stuff they didn’t really want to, because of a war they didn’t ask for. And she does make Anzac biscuits.First published in 2021.All my ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathryn Willis, Postdoctoral Researcher, CSIRO Xavier Boulenger/Shutterstock In the two decades to 2019, global plastic production doubled. By 2040, plastic manufacturing and processing could consume as much as 20% of global oil production and use up 15% of the annual carbon ...
With our collective remembrance, and steadfast belief in our common humanity, we strengthen our hope and resolve to do what we can to foster dialogue and understanding, and to heal divisions in our pursuit of peace. ...
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For the love of cows, please make a submission!
The National Animal Welfare Advisory Committee (NAWAC) today released its recommendations about the welfare and housing of dairy cows. The draft code allows for the year round indoor confinement of dairy cows.
“NAWAC’s recommendations will condemn thousands of dairy cows to a life in crowded sheds on concrete floors. The animals will never walk on grass or experience life outdoors,” says SAFE Executive Director Hans Kriek. “NAWAC once again fails to uphold the principles of New Zealand’s animal welfare legislation and is legalising this country’s newest form of factory farming.”
“The Animal Welfare Act requires that animals be able to display their normal behaviour. Research shows that dairy cows graze between five and ten hours per day yet bizarrely NAWAC appears not to recognize grazing as an essential behavioural need. This is utterly ridiculous and brings into question the competence of this committee.”
SAFE is concerned that the proposed changes to the code of welfare for dairy cows will lead to a rapid intensification of the dairy industry and will result in increased suffering for the cows. In general, cows farmed indoors suffer from higher levels of mastitis and lameness than cows that have access to pasture.
TAKE ACTION
SAFE urges the public to speak out against the indoor housing of dairy cows by making a simple submission to the Ministry for Primary Industries.
Submissions close 3 December and should be sent to: awsubmission@mpi.govt.nz
or
NAWAC Secretary
Animal Welfare
Ministry for Primary Industries
PO Box 2526
Wellington 6140
Points to remember when making your submission:
• Grazing in a paddock is normal behaviour, and cows should be allowed to do it.
• Cows should not be confined for extended periods of time.
• Cows should be given shelter, as long as they are allowed to leave.
To read the full Consultation on Changes to the Dairy Cattle Code of Welfare 2010 visit http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz
The other side of this unfortunately is effluent running into our waterways. Herd homes can take cows off pasture, so there is a real positive side to this as well. Personally i think Herd homes may be an important factor in cleaning up our water ways at the same time as protecting our $15 billion dairy exports. Its a tough one though, cows in paddocks are preferable but they are killing our waterways. What are the other options?
Cows aren’t killing our waterways. Industrial dairy companies are, and regional councils are letting them. In general the public are letting them too.
Other options? Prioritise water over profit via regulation and legislation (regional councils, and the government should have a role in this too). If big business wants to make money, why let it do it at the expense of everyone else?
Adopt sustainable farming practices (whole range of options there). Factory farming cows is completely unecessary and is a step in completely the wrong direction (takes us away from sustainability). It will also create other problems in addition to the increased suffering of the animals. Putting alot of animals closely together in an indoor space creates health problems that require increasing technical interventions that have flow on effects (increased antibiotic use would be my first guess, and all the problems that go with that).
People who care about the environment (ie the waterways) need to look at the whole situation, not just the isolated bits.
+1
Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming. From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis. But the big thing about Herd homes is that they stop the cows pissing and shitting on the paddocks, this effluent is what is fucking up our water ways. There is also an amount of waterways pollution from nitrogen and phosphate fertilisers, but most of the waterways pollution comes from effluent. The effluent from the herd homes is then reapplied to the land scientifically to reduce the need for synthetic nitrogens and also to optimise its utilisation so that there is minimal run off into the waterways.
Wekka, Im not sure what you mean by “Industrial dairy companies are killing our waterways”??? Its the cows shitting and pissing on the paddocks, simple as that.
We put the cows there Saarbo, no point in blaming the cows. It’s a new phenomenon, all this shit in the water. The cows didn’t just waltz up and take over teh country side, did they. Who put them there? Who let that happen?
“From an animal health point of view my research shows that they have 25% less lameness and not sure about mastitis.”
25% less lameness than what?
“Herd homes are quite different to hens/pigs etc, the cows are free to walk around very large sheds, this is not factory farming.”
But they’re still locked in right? And they still have to stand in their own shit? And the farmers have to manage health and disease differently? What is the floor made from, concrete?
What are they being fed?
The big shed farm proposal in the McKenzie planned to keep 18,000 cows in stalls (not sure what’s happened with that).
Keep pushing the water is more important than animal welfare line and expect a big fight from a number of quarters.
Im not sure about the Mc kenzie proposal, 18000 cows housed sounds ugly, thats not what I am supporting here. Personally my belief is that any farm above 650 cows becomes to difficult to manage and ends up too hard on the people working on them, seldom the owners. that is why so many farms are using immigrants.
Herd homes are pretty new in NZ, but the ones I looked at the Field days were for farms in the 300 to 1000 cows and I was impressed with the way they dealt with effluent. They will provide a pretty good solution to the problem with water ways, which I think is dairy farmings biggest issue at the moment.
I think from a political point of view we need to continue to generate/protect export receipts from dairy farming and we need to deal with the problems dairy farms are causing to our environment. herd homes seem to achieve both…but concede that it is not as user friendly as putting cows in paddocks.
I guess what I am trying to say is people need to look at this closely before commenting because Herd homes do deal with some of our bigger problems.
By rejecting dairy farming altogether, well we will end up with a whole set of other issues then
.
Being allowed to permanently keep cattle inside is likely to intensify farming even more. If they can’t handle the level of effluent right now how on earth could they deal with this? It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.
One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??
Will be looking to any comments the Greenz make before I make my submission.
+1 …it is cruel to keep cows in sheds!!!!!…they should be able to roam free ….but the waterways must be protected ….only farm cows in environmentally safe ways and in environmentally sustainable areas…….ie …safeguard the rivers and aquifers
….look to diversify types of farming in other areas eg vegetarian /vegan crops and trees
Totally agree
I have 200+ chooks and theyre free to roam in and out their pens
i find animals kept inside cruel and it shouldnt be allowed
@ risildowgtn..
..and do you too macerate any young males..?..alive..?
..and do you consider that at all ‘cruel’..?
..and if not..why/how not..?
phillip ure..
Macerate in what? I’ve not heard of people macerating young male chooks live, but certain people do once they’re dead. It’s called marinating then, and no it’s not cruel (the animal is dead already).
Plants have feelings too btw. So do ecosystems. Monocropping soy to feed a world full of vegans would be an ecological crime as well as cruel.
@ weka..
“..At hatcheries, where egg laying hens are bred, the male chicks are not ‘profitable’.
Their very short lives end almost as soon as they begin – when they are gassed –
– or ground up alive (called a macerator)..”
i am sure risildowgtn will be able to fill us in on all the gruesome details..
..(sound effects and all..)
..phillip ure..
“Their very short lives end almost as soon as they begin – when they are gassed –
– or ground up alive (called a macerator)..”
Got a citation for that Phil? Not saying it doesn’t happen, but am concerned about your bias when it comes to food issues.
I agree that the young male issue is a problem for non-vegans. But it’s not insurmountable and doesn’t necessitate the world becoming vegan.
And as I’ve said a number of times now, veganism comes with it’s own set of cruelties. Are you willing to address those?
if you don’t like my evidence..weka..
..let google be yr friend..eh..?
..try googling ‘macerator’..eh..?
..it is the machine young male chicks are fed into..still alive..
..it grinds them into a paste..(while still alive..)
..(and like so much of the realities of flesh/fat-farming..
..it is kinda gruesome to watch..eh..?..)
..and from the worst commercial hen hell-houses..and to the touchy-feely-‘cruelty-free’ organic farms..
..they all macerate..
..’sunny-side up?’…
..’do you want some dead pig with that..?’..
..phillip ure..
It’s always struck me as being pretty quick way to go, really.
Probably less cruel than the animals that get killed in the vegan crop fields, that get runover or sliced in the harvesting machinery.
“It is purely profit driven and quite sickening to think of the ripple effects on the environment.” Not quite, this will actually make our dairy farming more costly…but it has environmental benefits. Refer to my reply to Weka.
“One point not mentioned is the quality of meat this type of farming will produce. I don’t know much about it but I wonder if it automatically means greater use of antibiotics etc on the cattle??”
Meat farmers wont be doing this, only Dairy Farmers I understand.
@ Saarbo….I think so….re huge use of antibiotics….at least in the USA….I have a friend who left NZ a big meat eater …but is now a vegetarian in the States because the meat is so “disgusting”….We don’t want to go there if we want to preserve our elite /organic marketing edge…it would completely ruin the marketing NZ Pure & Green image for NZ
Yeah the Bloody Yanks would want the rest of the world to use that over processed muck that passes for food in the land of the Paranoid and Insane.
The kind of “food” over there is half the reason that they are paranoid and insane. Processed corn, flavored with corn syrup. Yum.
Actually a dietitian I read said that there are examples of the junk food over sugared etc can cause an overtired man to freak out and commit murder. She gave the example of long-distance truck driver deliberately driving into a building and killing members of the public. Particularly if he had been on uppers and downers.
Saarbo, i havn’t delved into how well kept dairy herds can be (are) yet, but will with a spare hour or two have a wee Google of the question,
I do not think that we should dismiss this form of farming out of hand, but, looking at how the chooks and pigs are treated by intensive indoor farming it’s easy to see why many have,
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’…
From the point of view of effluent disposal, pasture management, and water use, with a view to having ‘clean’ rivers and streams there may be a point for the introduction of ‘barned herds’ if we want to allow increasing industrialisation of nature for the point of monetary profit for the few and at the expense of the many
fify
There is no way to farm industrial dairy sustainably. You can shift cows into sheds, at the expense of animal welfare, but you just create another set of problems because the whole endeavour is inherently about resource extraction not resource cycling. If having let them become so degraded NZ now wants to protect its waterways by fucking with some other part of nature, then we lose any remaining credibility we had with regards to sustainability and we deserve everything we get. People of ecological conscience need to think hard before buying into the sop being offered that is in essence factory farming cows.
Or to put it another way, there was an old lady who swallowed a fly… (get it?)
Please remember this has nothing whatsoever to do with feeding Kiwis. It’s purely (100% purely) about the greed of the few.
QFT
We need sustainability and that means all farms going to full organic.
Organic is great, but there would be a drop in production and export receipts, I think a good government needs to grow exports, any ideas DTB?
Why?
To obtain foreign currency to buy foreign goods and services with.
We can do all that here with our own resources, i.e, it’s better for the government to develop our economy rather than just doing more of the same thing.
Sure. But that’s a twenty year transition programme of import substitution. What do we do in the meantime?
Continue to trade but the goal should always be to minimise that trade rather than to maximize it.
“Organic is great, but there would be a drop in production and export receipts, I think a good government needs to grow exports, any ideas DTB?”
Yeah, I don’t know why we need to grow exports, esp in a peak-resources, AGW world (it’s crazy to be basing our economy and food production around that). However for the sake of argument, NZ could have been world leaders in export organic meat and dairy by now, and reaping the premium attached to that. The improvement in landcare would have boosted our clean, green NZ image for tourism marketing purposes too, not just in PR terms but in actual terms when people come here and experience the place for themselves. We wouldn’t be wasting huge amounts of rate payer funds in the regional councils trying to fix a problem that is now basically going to be very expensive (politically and financially) to fix. The cost of being able to swim in our rivers: priceless.
I’ve not seen an audit of this, but I also suspect where organic production means a drop in output, this is offset by the reduction in pollution remediation costs associated with industrial dairying. A ‘good’ government would be ensuring that farmers are able to make a living without that being at the expense of the environment and other people. They would also adopt an accounting model that measures the negative effects of farming and where that costs us at all levels.
+111
It puzzles me. If we move our cattle into barns are they suddenly going to shit less. If not then we will have roughly the same effluent to deal with as in pasture and I cannot see any farmer doing more than high pressure sluicing the stuff somewhere away from the barns. Is it still not going to end up on land somewhere ready to make its way to waterways?
Also what on earth will the cows be feed with. Will the farmer still be growing grass and processing it to feed for the cattle? If so then they will still over fertilize their land and the nitrates will still run off to waterworks.
I cannot see any solution here.
Ron, the effluent drops through the grating in the floor of the HH, there is no high pressure hosing, so very little water is used. The effluent is emptied twice a year and is spread on the farm as an alternative to synthetic fertilisers. Obviously this can be managed/optimised to reduce any run off into water ways.
The grass is harvested off the farm and fed to the cows in the HH.
…at least free-range is half way there to organic…..and providing the environment /waterways are not degraded is a good start
….+100 about being able to swim in our rivers is priceless!….and the tourists appreciate it, as well as the fish and birds
…barned dairy and beef herds will create more vegetarians/vegans for sure…as many Europeans and Americans are already becoming semi-vegetarian and housed factory produced animals disgusts them……and bang goes your market….and bang goes NZ’s image as a Green producer of high quality free-range meat and dairy
…there is no need for factory ‘farmed’ barned animals in NZ except greed…and it will probably make environmental issues worse eg far greater numbers ‘farmed’ ( every man and his dog will want to get in on it) and far greater potential effluent in waterways and contamination and depletion of rivers…I have met French and Italians who don’t like farm-barned animals…whole farm regions go smelly
….and do we want the animal antibiotic issues they have in the USA?
The other side of this unfortunately is effluent running into our waterways.
Because cows are magical and can walk through fences.
Cows cant but rain can.
Of course non point discharge is a problem, but a manageable one depending on soil properties, farm infrastructure, the location of waterways around the paddocks, and the nature of the catchment involved.
I thought cows in their ‘natural’ state were forest dwelling animals. Quite like the idea of fields being replanted to some degree to offer a more natural environment incorporating shelter and a wider source of food for the animals and more diverse ‘crops’ for human use.
Saturday daydreaming…
Down here those bastard diary factory operators (laughingly called “farmers”) are still inducing cows. I thought it was illegal?
I thought it was too.
+ 1 Good point Bill – yes the cows should have shelter and trees are the solution. It’s better for everyone.
Trees??? No don’t think so. How many trees do you want to effectively shelter a herd of 400 cows?
Cows need shelter from extreme weather. Trees aren’t going to cut it against snow drifts or violent storms.
Depends on the trees and forest doesn’t it? And the breed of cow. We keep stock outside in winter pretty much everywhere. The issue about bad weather for the industrial model is that cows need to eat more (ie less profit). If you see the trees as productive beyond their use as shelter then that is less of an issue (eg timber, nuts, forage, coppicing, carbon sinking etc). We need to start thinking holistically.
Yes trees and lots of them – they are the answer imo to just about everything and planting them is one of the best actions we can take for this world.
Wow, right up there with sow crates and battery hen farming.T here’s major health issues and it will ruin the industry. I’m with Hans all the way. Still sell ourselves as clean and green nah.
What will reduce the amount of effluent in the water is lower stocking rates so the available cow shit is spread over more land. Farming cows in suitable climates also helps. Putting them in barns is needed when the weather is harsh (snowing) and this is about the only time they should be in shelter.
Try driving around parts of this country in the summer with the car window down, from Dundein to Christchurch all you can smell is cow shit.
Reducing stocking rates would be a good start, but the problem isn’t just the water. It’s what big heavy hoofed animals do to soil too. This is why Southland farmers overwinter their stock in Central – the land just gets too boggy. Even if you manage the shit problem, I just don’t think there is any way to sustainably farm dairy industrially. I know of smaller scale organic dairy farms that use different practices, and we could probably get by for a long time with those supplying milk etc for NZ. But extraction farming for export, there’s just no way to do that with dairy and not make a big fucking mess.
Yes, but are you suggesting that all farms go organic Weka? Because that will create other issues, like a huge drop in government revenue and all of the downstream problems…
I do agree that reducing stock rates is another solution, already happening near large waterways I understand (Taupo, Waikato River I think)
Capping stocking rates, better fence and riparian strip maintenance, improved herd and paddock management, will all help the environment significantly.
It’s not a hard ask. Lots of farmers are doing it already.
Yes, those are things that mainstream farming can do. Can’t do it under the industrial model though because it reduces profit.
Saarbo, what is the huge drop in revenue for the govt you are talking about and what are the downstream effects?
As DTB is fond of saying…oversized profits are a dead loss on society.
Who’s going to step up with the big stick and pull Fonterra and Federated Farmers into line? 😉
Let’s just say that I think a bit of charm and persuasion can go a long way 🙂
Really? You are alot more optimistic than I am, esp re FF.
FF no longer represents the majority of farmers.
True, but they still hold alot of power and have alot of influence.
But what about the poor farmer. Are you asking him to slightly reduce his income. Golly they will get so poor they will start voting Socialist
The poor farmer with the $6M farm?
I don’t know that overwintering in Central is really solving any problem. The ground freezes up there in winter so if you spread cowshit around outside it probably isn’t going anywhere until the first rain washes it off hard ground into the nearest waterway.
There is I believe already a problem with human waste and septic tanks doing just that in some communities. St Bathans?
It’s already being done RB, in places where it works. It’s not like Central freezes over for months at a time 😉 I assume the stocking rates are much less too.
But yeah, it’s not really viable in the long term.
I must visit at the wrong time Weka -it’s usually b freezing when I am there. At the back of my mind I’m assuming that this is a rerun of the intensive Mackenzie basin farming proposals. Even if the ground is only frozen for 6 weeks 18000 codes are going to produce a lot of shit. Perhaps us poor peasants will be able to dry and burn it as fuel
My understanding is that the pay off in housing herds is warmer animals eat less – a substantial reduction feed costs.
http://whoar.co.nz/2013/lack-of-exercise-and-fatty-diet-leave-six-out-of-10-pacific-adults-obese-comment-and-the-cultural-excuse-for-pacific-islander-obesity-is-a-load-of-horse-shit-and-why-are-pacific-isla/
(excerpt:..)
“….and don’t give me that ‘cultural’-bullshit/excuse for not being able to change/cry of helplessness..
..i grew up eating eating greasy bacon for breakfast..and ‘$1.50 pies’..
..and was fat and unhealthy as..
..i no longer do that..and am no longer that..
..the ‘cultural’-excuse is just laziness/a bullshit cop-out..”
phillip ure..
Nice to know you’re able to extrapolate Undeniable Scientific Fact from a sample size of 1.
Like smack heads can’t format a readable blog post. What do I win? Whoar 😆
Nasty comment the allen
Not really, especially as he makes no secret or excuses for either.
Come on, don’t be so precious. Surely if we can be told to fu*k off back to our own countries without admonishment, we can handle a little of the above?
Yea … it was pretty nasty and judgemental!
Complete and utter kaka and bullshit as well.
I could begin with a brother’s IQ …. I could then go on to ask why a certain former head of the drug squad (a Rangi Rangihika) used to wonder why those addicted that he encountered/busted were extremely intelligent – completely to his wonderment, and what he should do about it. (In the days before we had the Police’s worst enemy – Greg O’Connor)
Don’t get me wrong tho’ te Allen – I’m not a supporter of smack heads’ actions – just not as ready to pretend to myself how so much better I am than they are. There’s an obviously highly intelligent Ure that could probably shit on me any day – and I suspect definitely shit on you.
Oh… btw – there are also rent-a-quote CantyUni Criminologists and others the MSM seem totally in lerv with who could probably give you an education on it all – rather than the schooling you’ve obviously so far received.
Your over reaction is as funny as your loyalty admirable.
If you’re really that bothered I’ll retract, as ‘extrapolating an undeniable scientific fact from a sample size of 1’ seems to offend so much when I do it 😉
I’ll assume a retraction – Thank you. And its not an over reaction. We’re all human tho’
I can’t edit Te A, but as Helen used to say …. ‘moving on’ in her usual pragmatic style (silly bitch)
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And those lazy bullshit cop-out culturals can go get fu*ked then.
Yeah, assume away, if you like. 😉
If it quacks like a $30k tory….
You can do better than that, can’t you?
Well I could’ve gone all robinsod but nah, because your comment would fit in so well at the sewer – $30k tory it is.
30k would seem like a lotto win, but ouch, calling me a tory. You scoundrel, you know how to wound with intent 🙄
@ allen..i can count the time since i last used smack – in decades..eh..?
..and it’s a bit of a stretch to blame what you see as my formatting-issues..
..on heroin..eh..?
..doesn’t it already get enough bad-press..?
..that heroin..?
..we don’t need to make stuff up about it..eh..?
..an ad-campaign..?
..warning the youth of the nation that if they use heroin..
..their formatting-skills will go up the wazoo..?
..that’ll scare them off..eh..?
..phillip ure..
You miss the point. It’s not that you were a junkie, nor the fact your writing style rips eyes from skulls, but the oversimplified, dismissive tone of your boast.
Live by crass generalisations, then die by crass generalisations. It’s not nice is it?
Lucky for you, you had a couple of guys backing up your claim because they didn’t want your feelings hurt, though their silence on your borderline racist tone is a bit deafening.
But no hard feelings, we’re all good. 😉
“.. borderline racist tone..”
..never saw you as one so p/c/ there..allen..
..obese/unhealthy-eating islanders and maori often use/play the cultural card/excuse..
..pakeha in the same basket don’t have that excuse..
..and are just lazy/ignorant/market-brainwashed..
..the subject under discussion/i was bringing up..
…was the cultural-excuse being used as a reason not to change/eat healthy..
..i repeat..that ‘excuse’ is total utter bullshit…
..and if you think it is ‘racist’ to point that out..?
..meh..!..eh..?..
..the fact is..that like me..most people who now eat healthy..
..once gorged on/enjoyed that same flesh/fat crap you still do..
..eh..?..
..everyone is capable of change..
..and that mewling/’it’s cultural’-reason/excuse..?
..again..meh..!
..phillip ure..
I’m no more ‘pc’ than you are a friend of convivial writing, but that’s all way beside the point.
But whilst we’re at it, so to speak, what’s with signing each and every post about?
You know your handle is appears above your comments, right?
Is it ego that you need to see your name twice, or is you think we’re all too dumb we need telling twice? 😆
ouch..!..that hurts…i try really hard to make my writing ‘convivial’..eh..?
..it is a quality i strive for..
..i often fail..
..but i do try..
..eh..?
..(probably ‘ego’..eh..?..)
..and what’s with that moniker you lurk behind..?
..’the allen’..?
..are you named after ‘Database of gene expression patterns in the mouse brain..’..?
..just wondering..
..phillip ure
Lurk, hardly 😆
The Al1en is a character from a short story I wrote. He’s the first and most famous of all the Humanoid logic machines.
Just seemed appropriate 😉
“..He’s the first and most famous of all the Humanoid logic machines…”
..so..was it irony that drove you to choose that name/persona..?
..phillip ure..
“..He’s the first and most famous of all the Humanoid logic machines…”
“.so..was it irony that drove you to choose that name/persona..?”
Yeah, that must be it, AL73364nz 😆
@ qot..
..here’s far more than ‘a sample size of one’..
http://whoar.co.nz/?s=vegan+obesity
phillip ure..
I’m deeply sorry, but I’m even less likely to read fatphobic bullshit when it comes wrapped in a preachy vegan package.
@ qot..
..it is actually links to facts/evidence that back the claims i made..
..no need to ‘vegan-preach’..the facts/evidence do all the talking needed..
..and really..all you need to do..
..is look around you..
..eh..?
..phillip ure..
“..it is actually links to facts/evidence that back the claims i made..”
No, it doesn’t. I’ve searched your blog before for back up to the claims you make, and they’re just not there. The onus is on you mate, to provide the back up here on ts. Or at least link to a single blogpost that backs up your claims so we know which ones you consider to be useful.
@ weka..not my job to hold yr hand weka..
..if you don’t want to know..
..you don’t want to know..
..and no..i will not jump thru hoops for you..
..how about you try and find a skerrick of evidence that gorging on animal-fat/flesh is good for you..eh..?
..shouldn’t take you long..
..to find nothing..
..eh..?
..(and as for evidence of the benefits from going vegan..?
..seen bill clinton lately/since he went vegan..?..)
..phillip ure..
Animal fat is great for your brain. If you eat enough it even lets you type full sentences which other people can read.
smile
Ah, the good old “just look around you” argument, because humans aren’t at all susceptible to seeing what they want to/are told to.
“..i grew up eating eating greasy bacon for breakfast..and ‘$1.50 pies’..
..and was fat and unhealthy as..”
Pity you don’t understand the underlying mechanism though.
Fat is an essential nutrient for humans. Without it our brains and hormones don’t work properly. I had a look at the rationale you present, which is this article in the Herald.
(and btw, “the MoH says so” isn’t evidence that backs up your views).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11142610
Lack of exercise, $1.50 pies, an abundance of fried chicken and traditional Polynesian food served with lashings of coconut cream have resulted in an obesity rate in Pacific adults of more than 60 per cent.
However…
Tokelau is a group of three atolls located in the South Pacific Ocean with approximately 1400 inhabitants. Administratively it belongs to New Zealand.
From a dietary point of view the case of Tokelau is very interesting: we can observe what happens when a population transitions from their traditional diet to a more westernized one, and back.
When Captain Wilkes visited Tokelau with his scientists, they reported that the people living there were very healthy, and to their surprise most of their diet was composed of coconut and fish, and some breadfruit (a starchy melon). There were no signs of plant cultivation.
In the 1920s, their diet was:
70% from coconut. So, more than 50% of this diet was fat.
90% of this fat, was saturated fat.
Health problems at that time:
skin diseases
asthma
infectious diseases (chicken pox, measles, leprosy). No chronic diseases were recorded (trained physicians had been available since 1917).
http://ilonadesign.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/tokelau.html
My emphasis.
The article goes on to look at what happened to the Tokelauan population when half of it immigrated to NZ and adopted a Western diet. Upshot is a massively huge increase in diabetes, heart disease etc. Biggest change in diet? Less fat and increase in refined carbohydrates. The original research on this was the Tokelau Island Migration Study. You can google it for more detail.
This pattern is demonstrated again and again all over the world. Take people away from their traditional diets, even high fat ones, and feed them white flour and white sugar, and watch diabetes and heart disease arrive (looks like cancer and possibly Alzheimers too).
The “traditional Polynesion food is the problem” line being run by the MoH and the Herald is the same colonisation shit that’s been going on for the past few hundred years in the Pacific. It’s not the traditional food that’s the problem, it’s the whitey food (actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).
You got it. Refined flour and sugar. Most people will do themselves a world of good simply by cutting those items back by 30%. Of course, cheap lower quality food is full of this stuff.
(actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).
Boom, headshot!
“(actually it’s more complex than that, because issues of poverty and access come into it too, as well as cultural colonisation).”
“Boom, headshot!”
Good shooting, comrades.
of course poverty/access/cost is also a factor..
..that’s why unhealthy food needs to have prohibitive taxes..
..and healthy food no taxes..
..that must be part of any solution…
..to our million strong obese fellow-citizens..
..phillip ure..
Always nice to see the food police jump instantly to a (seriously complex and difficult-to-implement) taxation solution for food. Because food preparation doesn’t require time or knowledge, if we make tofu $1/kilogram everyone will magically be able to feed their families a low-carb low-fat lean-protein micronutrient-balanced stirfry.
@weka..don’t really get yr point there weka..
..so..jumping from a crap polynesian diet to a crap western diet is jumping from frying pan into fire..?
..you’ll get no argument here on that fact..
..but yr point is..?
..phillip ure..
You missed the point. Diet A = good health outcomes, diet B = marked increase in disease. In what way is diet A a ‘crap’ diet?
Also, what’s with the vegan arguing against a diet with coconut in it? That’s just bizarre.
Never underestimate the subtle white supremacy of the Western vegan movement.
I can’t get the Mapp-Kelsey debate post to load – times out.
I have just been upgrading it as I did it in a bit of a rush yesterday. But I’ve finished now. Try it again.
If it is still an issue then is it a 500 error, or does it just sit?
Lightened the featured image. Removed surplus junk from the embedding.
Ah. Thanks. Loads now. It was just sitting and partially loading. I just wanted to read the latest comments.
Sooo, John Banks the eloquent little botox queen is said to have approached a supporter of Penny Bright at the Auckland District Court intoning in a voice only they could here that the woman was a ‘Bush Pig’,
If that’s the way you want to play the game Herr Banks all well and good, i am off today to have a conversation with that bloke McCready to see what material help he needs, if any,(which i will gladly supply),
It’s just come to my attention that Graham McCready is on the bones of His ‘proverbial’, dealing to Banks on the shoe-string of a benefit,
i am sure if He needs it,transport to and from the airport down here can be arranged and flight costs covered,
i was peeved when the case was moved to Auckland, but understand now the cost of moving the necessary witnesses down to Wellington would be an impossibility for Mr McCready, but, if Botox Banks(the already once convicted), wants to engage in a little post-courtroom debate i will be sorely tempted to drag myself up that way and deliver Him the same message he got at the point of His first conviction,(boy didn’t the Rat scurry in a hurry on that day)…
“Bush pig”… is that meant to be an insult?
@ weka..
..depends what circles you move in..
..eh.?..
..phillip ure..
coming out of the mouth of an ugly little Nazi prick, it is a compliment
Granny’s business analyst shows “faux concern” for Auckland’s economic future as she contorts to stun us with her call for Len Brown’s resignation.
Yes, Fran’s just so concerned about the future of the city she lives in. In spit of that, she just couldn’t be bothered to pick up the phone and exercise her democratic right to chose the Mayor, Councillors and members of the community and district health boards for the next three years.
I wouldn’t want to rely on her assistance if she was “concerned” about me!
Doesn’t Fran O’Sullivan’s latest piece of Jonolism give off a distinct reek of insanity, in all Her lazy rotundness O’Sullivan couldn’t be bothered to vote until that is She learned of what goes on in Len Brown’s bedroom, what a pathetic waste of space,
Can Fran please tell all, i want to know what goes on in Her bedroom befor i decide to read her abysmal column in the morning,
On second thoughts, cancel that, the thought of getting a glimpse into the goings on in Fran’s bedroom first fills me with horror and secondly gives me the urge to barf…
Ha ha … thanks for the laugh bad 12
Xxx
Thanks for the link to Fran’s confession. Small wonder why folks south of Auckland, couldn’t care less about all of this media circus. It reflects poorly on
Orkland, Super City, Rodney Hyde, National government, and the huge imbalance of power that now Auckland represents. Most Kiwis don’t live in Auckland and resent Auckland centric ‘culture’ and media. Don’t vote, it only encourages them. Seems to be the Auckland way.
The fix is regional development as the only regional activity doing ‘well’ is dairying and thats screwing up our waterways, land profiles etc.
cities will always have a certain attraction be it work, family, facilities but akl is a bit if a basket case after the curtis,woods,banks legacy gives way to nacts engineered takover via supercity.
oshillivan is a fool to admit not voting but thats not news really.
Another case of irony in that Mr Wewege lost his position because of sexual relationship and Bevan Chuang.
The Herald:
“The Washington-based Diplomatic Courier magazine last month named Luigi Wewege as one of the top 99 foreign policy professionals under 33, because of his efforts to “foster intellectual dialogue and relationships between New Zealand youth and the world decision-makers of today and tomorrow”.
But his profile was pulled from the international affairs website yesterday after the editors became concerned about his role in the Auckland mayoral sex scandal…………
Managing editor Chrisella Herzog contacted the Herald to confirm the veracity of Facebook messages sent between Mr Wewege, a member of the John Palino campaign team, and Bevan Chuang, who publicly revealed a two-year affair with Auckland Mayor Len Brown.
Messages the pair exchanged back up Ms Chuang’s claims of a casual sexual relationship and the pressure she felt to go public about her affair with Mr Brown.”………
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11142596
Come back Kim Hill, urgently!
Saturday Morning, Radio NZ National, 19 October 2013
Kim Hill’s Saturday morning show, along with Chris Laidlaw’s and occasionally Bryan Crump’s, is one of the few times that New Zealand audiences can hear top-quality conversations with interesting people about serious topics. So the many fans of Kim Hill’s show are always concerned when she is on leave, as she is now. Will the replacement be up to it? Will she maintain Kim Hill’s exceptionally high standards?
Well, it turns out that Kim’s replacement today is one Susie Ferguson and, unfortunately, she is just not up to it.
Susie Ferguson first came to Standardistas’ attention after she lazily and recklessly recycled official black propaganda against a political dissident….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-10062013/#comment-646597
Shortly after that, she came to our attention again, this time by her obtuse and foolish questions to a movie distributor, who treated her with barely restrained contempt….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-667846
(Aficionados of disruption strategies will note our friend McFlock‘s inept attempts to derail the discussion.)
This morning, after 8 o’clock, she read out the lineup for the morning, including this gem of crazed political correctness: “After eleven, breast cancer and what it’s like for a man when their partner is diagnosed….”
Then it’s on to business. Her first guest was Professor Martin Jacques, a British expert on China and author of When China Rules the World: The Rise of the Middle Kingdom and the End of the Western World.
Remember, Suzy Ferguson is quite happy to parrot the most prejudicial and demeaning language cooked up by government spin-doctors to taunt political dissenters in the West. This morning, however, she appears to have changed her spots about human rights: her questions, even about business and economic matters, all come with an anti-Chinese Government slant. Eventually, her crass questioning gets under the skin of her guest….
MARTIN JACQUES: The Chinese will not be lectured by the West. I have not heard you say ANYTHING that acknowledges the immense progress China has made since 1978.
…..[Awkward hiatus]…..
SUSIE FERGUSON: I’m asking you why you’re such a fan.
A little later, the crass and insidious comments continue….
MARTIN JACQUES: The internet has revolutionized Chinese knowledge.
SUSIE FERGUSON: But in a limited wayyyyyy….
[…..A little later…..]
SUSIE FERGUSON: As Chinese power increases, how do you think the West will react? [She seems unfazed by Dr. Jacques’ irritated silence and presses on] I mean, do you think the West will take it lying down?
The “interview” winds down to an ignominious end, but Susie Ferguson’s mission is not over yet. She takes what I imagine she thinks is revenge by reading out a few telegrams….
SUSIE FERGUSON: There are quite a few texts and e-mails. He’s provoked quite a bit of feedback has Dr. Jacques! Walter writes: “China executes more people than any other country. What they’ve done to Tibet is what they could do to us.” Neil writes: “We should be very cautious….”
Appointing Susie Ferguson to Saturday mornings, even if it is just for a couple of weeks, amounts to gross failure in a time slot listeners have come to presume will be four hours of quality radio.
Come back Kim Hill, urgently!
Thanks for linking to those older threads, Morrissey, somehow I managed to completely miss the multiple examples of how non “word-perfect” your “transcripts” truly are.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
I now feel justified in reflexively scrolling past your comments.
When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them, and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.
Your disaffection with me came suddenly, and it had nothing to do with questions of accuracy. It came after I had the temerity to lampoon people who you supported. For instance, there was my transcription of an interview with the hapless Hekia Parata, back before she was Minister of Education….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-30082011/#comment-369467
For some reason you have failed to convince anyone on this forum of, you backed the hapless Ms. Parata and her deepwater drilling plans. You also objected to my transcript of a outlandish, bizarre television appearance by Air New Zealand CEO Rob Fyfe, when he assured New Zealanders that Tokyo was “perfectly safe” even while the Japanese government was on the brink of ordering the evacuation of the city….
http://thestandard.org.nz/meltdown-at-fukushima/#comment-314634
Your objections to my transcripts are ideological. You need to be honest.
🙄
Oooooh, now that was hardly an intelligent rejoinder. Can we do a tad better than such a miserable effort, do we think?
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
So I’ll reply up to the point I stopped reading:
“When I first started putting up transcripts on this forum, you were full of praise for them,”
Yes, because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions. I’ve done several transcriptions of various things myself over time and I know how much effort goes into making them. So I was thankful that someone was transcribing snippets from National Radio, snippets that 95% of the time I don’t get a chance to hear, so was glad for them to be recorded.
My praise lasted up until I actually heard an interview myself that you had “transcribed”, and I discovered just how loose your “transcriptions” were.
“and you recognized that I did capture the essential quality of the discussions.”
More flowery waffle on your part. I didn’t “recognise” that you “capture[d] the essential quality of the discussions”, I thought they were actual transcriptions, as I describe above.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I didn’t bother replying because you start out with such an obvious diversion that I literally stopped reading.
“Literally” stopped reading, did you? You know, embellishing a lie in such a childish manner doesn’t change the fact it’s a lie. “Literally”. As they’d respond on the Panel: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
….because I *assumed* they were actual word-for-word, or very close, transcriptions.
They were accurate, and they continue to be accurate, and you know it.
Skimming the rest of your woeful reply, I see you seem to think that my “dissatisfaction” is something to do with me supporting Hekia Parata: not at all, it is entirely to do with you not actually transcribing segments with any semblance to reality while claiming that you did.
You are, to put it politely, disingenuous. You were outraged that my transcript had shown up Parata in all her bumbling incoherence and vacuity. The highlight of that grim interview was when she claimed that the National government’s oil drilling “policy” had “a variety of various variables”. You actually support the moronic policies she was so ineptly espousing that day, and even more moronic ones than that, as shown by your defiant insistence that the Fukushima catastrophe was being over-hyped by greenies.
But hey, if you want to keep up this little fiction in your head, go right ahead. I think both of our reputations on this blog won’t disabuse any 3rd parties as to the real truth of this situation.
I am more than happy for people to compare our respective credibility, or lack of it. My transcripts ARE reliable—-I couldn’t dream up characters who exhibit the cruelty, moral turpitude, vanity, pomposity or stupidity of people like Chris Trotter, Stephen Franks, Garth McVicar or any of the other people who I pin down for posterity.
You would be quite justified if you had pointed out that I make minor errors now and again, but you have unwisely chosen to exaggerate, demean and distort what I do. I am not a liar, I did not make up Hekia Parata’s hopelessness, or Rob Fyfe’s surreal brand of idiocy. You for some bizarre reason support those fools. Don’t try to pretend that your attempts to undermine me are anything more than ideologically motivated spite.
I’m still waiting for that apology, you lying sack ‘o’ shit.
I’m still waiting for that apology,
I apologize for implying that you supported Trotter’s endorsement of southern lynch law. I knew you were better than that.
….you lying sack ‘o’ shit.
Oh come on now, I think we can operate in a less juvenile fashion, surely?
Try again. You didn’t imply. You stated it as fact. You’re lying again, Moz.
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
In our rush to exploit the Chinese people for our own benefits, we are too quick to overlook at the actions of the governing regime that facilitates this exploitation.
To quote from a Guardian review of Jacque’s book:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jun/21/when-china-ruled-the-world-jacques
She was right to quiz Jacques on China’s human rights record.
Of course she was. And she was wrong to parrot the U.S. Government’s demeaning language used to attack dissenters in the West.
Professor Jacques reminded her that China has greatly increased its standard of living, but she petulantly refused to even acknowledge that.
“Professor Jacques reminded her that China has greatly increased its standard of living, but she petulantly refused to even acknowledge that.”
Perhaps you should ask the millions of homeless Chinese if their living standards were greatly inrcreased.
Perhaps you should ask the millions of homeless Chinese if their living standards were greatly inrcreased.
I’m not defending the Chinese government. I leave that to outfits like NewstalkZB.
Indeed.
The country with the second highest absolute numbers of enslaved is China, with an estimated 2,800,000 to 3,100,000 in modern slavery. The China country study5 suggests that this includes the forced labour of men, women and children in many parts of the economy, including domestic servitude and forced begging, the sexual exploitation of women and children, and forced marriage.
Global Slavery Index 2013 (PDF)
http://www.walkfree.org/
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
Chinese do not have trade unions, environmental regulations, labour laws or social safety nets, and its massive slave workforce keeps wages down all over the world.
As I said before on this site. It is not Reagan or Thatcher that western boardrooms should be thanking. It is Deng Xiaopeng.
We should all be wary of the Chinese and its toxic mix of Stalinist communisim and neo-liberal capitalism.
You are correct, millsy. We also need to understand why the Chinese have nothing but contempt for people like Margaret Thatcher, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who presume to lecture them about human rights.
China is where the US was 90 years ago. It’s a work in progress.
BTW what the Chinese are doing has very little to do with Stalinism or neoliberal capitalism, or any hybrid of the two.
I’d like the USA to remain as the dominant superpower but I’m not bothered if/when China take over as was shown with how they’ve handled Hong Kong they seem quite pragmatic
In a lot of ways this would be a good thing but we have seen now is the US is essentially captured as a state within a state which cannot even govern itself or look after its own people. It’s not good to see.
Ah well empires rise and empires fall
David Shearer doin’ it – great to watch !
http://www.tv3.co.nz/7-DAYS-Season-5-Ep-5/tabid/3692/articleID/95825/MCat/2901/Default.aspx
He did good and yeah I agree where was this 6 months ago?
Why are house prices so high?
Because the banks have a license to print money. If we want affordable housing we need to rescind that license.
So stop paying taxes, that is what the central banks use as security.
It’s not that simple moron. We really do need to support our society, what we don’t need is a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us through charging interest.
Did UT just suggest that Government tax revenues get used by private banks as security (or collateral)?
That’s just idiocy.
Really? Where do you think the $1.6b to bail out SCF came from?
What definition of the word security/collateral are you using?
I’m using the standard financial definition which is an asset that can be leveraged against in order to secure additional funding. The $1.6B used to bail out SCF does not fall into the category of being such an asset.
When the GFC started the government instituted the Retail Depositors Scheme. Now, the financial institutions that went into the scheme paid some amount to do so but there’s no way that they paid in enough to even cover the $1.6b used to cover the failure of SFC. The security used to raise the extra was the taxpayers of NZ.
A government guarantee or backstop is a separate issue.
No it’s not. It’s exactly what was being discussed. The banks get to loan out as much money as they can until they collapse at which point the government will step in to bail them out.
Ok this is not a productive discussion because you have decided to use the vaguest definitions of terms. SCF wasn’t a bank, for instance.
The BNZ was.
Irrelevant to the post GFC world.
No, the problem is still the same. Due to the intertwined nature of the global financial system if one bank goes down it’s possible that it would take several others with it and they won’t necessarily be in the same country. The “losses” will be counted in the tens to to hundreds of billions if not more. That’s why the governments of the world stepped in when the banking system failed in 2007/8 and also why our government stepped in when the BNZ failed (sometime around the same time period the US government did the same for a failing bank in the US).
The governments are absolutely terrified of the private banks failing and thus the banks have an implicit government guarantee. A guarantee that is backed by the taxpayers.
Idiot, you do understand that there is difference between central banks and private banks, don’t you?
It really is that simple, fuckwit. Your needs are not relevant, the best way to support society is to stop bleeding it to death by fraud and usury.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Taxes aren’t fraud or usury.
Dare I say it taxes are a type of ‘fraud and usuary’ of governments. The worker pays taxes then also banks his/her savings and is actively encouraged by governments to do so eg. kiwisaver schemes. Governments/treasuries/ Reserve Banks actually have no money- it is a fiction, hence so are government guarantees ( e.g. bonds, Retail depositor schemes)
Paper money, cheques, Eftpos, bonds, guarantees……They are all “currency”, a figment of imagination from the source onto the the end of the money trail – you; the taxpayer and the worker who re-circulates it.
In terms of currency, accrual and flow (tax revenues included are used by private banks in the flow of currency- it isn’t idiocy CV), there is no difference between private banks or central banks and the massive ‘con-job’ between Governments and banks colluding to ‘bleed society to death’ ( UT).
Also true words “a bunch of psychopathic banksters stealing all our work and wealth from us …” but not just in interest charges DTB- as a type of ‘fraud’ happens before we are paying bank fees, interest etc . It is our savings that are being used without consent and then we give the banks fees for the priviledge of having the workers money
– “Never in human history have so many been plundered by so few..”
Released recently part 3 of “Hidden Secrets of Money”
The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind – Maloney.M. 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0
Personally- not a big hidden secret but more likely a concept that has not been well understood by the ‘worker’. Found this video and its visuals a great way to illustrate the myth of there being money, with easy to understand terminology of money ‘mumbo-jumbo’.
travellerev posted “Shade” the Motion Picture link recently too. Adds further dimensions to the discussions and understandings of who are the global “controllers”. Worth due time to watch.
Would also add that the “Authors” behind Hidden Secrets also appear to be ‘on the make’ so….. good luck with your money if you have any.
It’s not taxes that are the problem but the monetary system where the private banks get to create money ex nihilo and charge interest on it.
Not Another Sheep
No you daren’t even when you spell right you would still be wrong despite all the gerfuffle that you put to back your statement up.
Don’t forget that all forms of finance are gst exempt.
Yes, Mr Shearer’s input was very pleasant, funny and quite enjoyable! Comes across as a nice, witty and clever guy. Shows how being a leader was so onerous and restrictive to his usual persona.
In the clip his input is right at the start of the programme in this episode which itself he began and then again at 7′ onwards when he was grilled and gave his winning responses.
Have a watch and I think you will enjoy it.
Cheers!
Ref from NORTH :
David Shearer doin’ it – great to watch !
http://www.tv3.co.nz/7-DAYS-Season-5-Ep-5/tabid/3692/articleID/95825/MCat/2901/Default.aspx
I thought David Shearer was brilliant. He looks a lot more relaxed. Still rate him.
Agree. He’s going to be outstanding in Cabinet.
Standard regular McFlock not too good at being civil
Failure to be gracious makes for an unpleasant little exchange
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712089
Chris (“Haw Haw”) Trotter is something of a left/liberal icon in this country, and a political north star for many Standardisti, who clearly set their own bearings by what he says and writes. Generally Trotter writes well and contributes valuable insights. However, like all of us, he is certainly not perfect. In 2007 he suffered a public dressing down from John Minto after he (Trotter) had made some ignorant comments backing the police raids in the Urewera country. Minto damned his comments as “shallow”, “pompous”, “weak” and “potentially damaging” to the victims of the raids….
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0710/S00415.htm
Since then, Trotter has got worse, not better. As a regular guest on Jim Mora’s Panel, he has slotted in seamlessly with that show’s glib and casually cruel zeitgeist; Trotter has been one of the more heartless taunters of political dissidents like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden….
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14062013/#comment-648511
But such irresponsible, craven behaviour, such gross misjudgements and failures of empathy have done little to shake the faith of Trotter’s most dedicated followers. They stayed on board, even after he delivered a windy and pompous admonition of those who might dare to criticise the infamous jury verdict in the Trayvon Martin case.
In shock and horror at what I heard, I provided a rush transcript of Trotter’s fustian lecture. Of course, not having a working tape recorder, and not being an expert in shorthand, I didn’t get it one hundred per cent correct. That’s all that the Trotteristi needed; they piled on with the ferocity of Red Guards going after a capitalist running dog, hammering on the fact that I hadn’t captured the great orator’s words perfectly…..
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-25072013/#comment-668899
Despite that, this writer (i.e., moi) is always willing to concede that his critics have a point, and in a spirit of reconciliation, I acknowledged that. One of my critics has been our friend McFlock, and after he took the trouble to actually provide a transcript of Trotter’s infamous words, I acknowledged his efforts….
MORRISSEY: Thanks for transcribing that, McFlock. I can see that I missed a lot, and you have a valid point in disagreeing with my interpretation of Trotter’s comments. I did render his words a little more pointedly than they actually were. However, I think that even when you compare my admittedly imperfect rush “transcript” to your word-perfect transcript, I have captured the essential pomposity of his speaking style and the gist of his admonition to the lesser mortals in the studio to respect that outrageous verdict in Florida. Trotter was speaking slowly and sententiously, as if he was defending the Western system of justice; what he was actually doing was defending a grievous miscarriage of justice. His suggestion that there were “items of evidence which would raise reasonable doubt I think in most people’s minds” was not backed up at all, and disappointingly, Noelle McCarthy failed to demand he did so.
You are right to time the silences; they’re not as long as I recalled them in my mind, but they are significant nonetheless. Noelle McCarthy was, I believe, genuinely lost for words after listening to that. So was I.
The response, however, did not burnish our friend’s diplomatic credentials….
McFLOCK: oh fuck off. So let’s say you “captured” trotter’s pompousness (personally, I think you overstated it). That means that you are (at best) a dadaesque caricaturist of discourse. So are all the claims as to near word perfect accuracy simply self-delusion, or are you trying to mimic Sacha baron Cohen’s immersion satire?
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712089
Readers with an IQ above room temperature will note that McFlock attempts to derail and inflame the discussion by comparing my serious (and admittedly imperfect) criticism of a media commentator with the behaviour of a callous and brutally dishonest propagandist/comedian.
But let’s save the discussion of provocative hate-comedians like Bernard Manning, Andrew Dice Clay and Sacha Baron Cohen for another day.
Woah, way to take things personally, Morrissey.
Woah, way to take things personally, Morrissey.
Hmmmm… this is interesting. You forgot to “reflexively stroll past” that comment….
This is a great site 🙂
Personally, I’m still waiting for Morrissey to apologise to me for this: http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712071
But, as he appears to be a complete coward, I don’t think he’s going to.
Personally, I’m still waiting for Morrissey to apologise to me for this: http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712071
I thought I HAD apologized. If not, here you go, my friend….
http://www.sadmuffin.net/cherrybam/graphics/comments-sorry/sorry004.gif
But, as he appears to be a complete coward, I don’t think he’s going to.
That’s a bit harsh, surely?
No, Moz, you didn’t apologise. You still haven’t.
What is it I’m supposed to apologize for again?
Lying about my defending Trotter. You lying, cowardly sack ‘o’ shit*.
Here’s that link again:
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16102013/#comment-712071
*don’t take it personally, it’s just a transcript of an impression of what I half remember thinking about you.
I don’t think Morrissey is capable of taking them any other way.
http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-04082013/#comment-674390
It’s the sheer amount of time and effort used to make posts for a largely unappreciative audience, that’s what I find a bit scarey.
…a largely unappreciative audience…
Ha! You wish.
Would you like me to furnish you with some of the praise I have garnered both here and in other fora?
A word to the wise, my feathered friend: it’s okay to make disparaging remarks, but it’s not okay to make wildly untrue statements like that one.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
And I chose SBC because he is known for constantly staying in character, much in the same way that you stay in the character of stupid dickhead.
And another thing: your excuses about not having a tape recorder are pretty fucking stupid when you quite obviously have an internet connection, and all the natradio broadcasts are online.
My transcripts—occasionally a little too slapdash and impressionistic for some tastes—-are done quickly and published very soon after the offending broadcast. I am more than happy for you or anyone else to provide a word-perfect transcript for people to compare and contrast with mine. As we saw with my rendition of Chris Trotter’s infamous defence of shonky Deep South juries, my version is usually pretty much spot on. Of course people can quibble about whether I described the timbre of his voice fairly, or whether I effectively evoked the horrified silence that fell over the people he was admonishing, but the determined effort by a few hardline Trotteristi was, and remains, an exercise in attempted political assassination. In a non-frightening, Standard sort of way, of course.
You’re as bad as hooten. The immensity of your bullshit is just fucking astounding.
Thanks for that link, my friend. It only backs up my truncated, pointed version of the travesty.
Once again, thank you.
But as for that Matthew Hooton taunt…
http://static.tumblr.com/lbemnld/JjIm5ii3l/that_was_mean.gif
I’m not your friend, guy
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/award-winning-journalist-cant-tell-father-son/#axzz2hOR1GNO2
– If you want proof positive of how bad journalism is in NZ you might like to check this exchange, David Fisher showing how its not done
Lol.
Fish is toying with him.
Whaleoil completely forgets to include his own earlier tweets on the same article:
https://twitter.com/Whaleoil/status/391270803808874496
Now that’s interesting, Bernard Orsman quotes me and I hasn’t spoken to about that which he quotes me?
https://twitter.com/Whaleoil/status/391273051913871361
@Jayson_Bryant Orsman quotes me but I have never spoken to him, that is far more interesting don’t you think
You did see the part where its his father that was quoted?
Yes Chris. Did you see the part where whale was implying that Orsman had made up quotes from Whale? ie, the part where whale had been tweeting nonsense based on the same mistake Fish made?
Just want to have a rant about roads.
The Auckland Mayoral debacle is a serious diversion away from really serious issues – one of which is the lack of investment in essential infrastructure in the South Island. On SH1, the main route from Picton to NZ’s second city, there’s an old rickety, single lane bridge over a major river. Up till fairly recently all traffic on SH1 had to cross an even more rickety old 2 tier bridge with the railway line on the top tier. the train still goes across it.
When the mighty Waimakirirri River is in flood, the old wooden bridge at Kaiapoi has to be closed in case it gets washed away, leaving just the motorway bridge. Cyclists just have to wait until the river drops or they can get a lift across the motorway bridge.
Matters are exacerbated when the Ashley River is in flood and the old bridge at Rangiora has to be closed for safety reasons which diverts all traffic north of the river onto SH1. When both rivers are in flood as happened last week – there are just two ways into ChCh by road from the north – the SH1 bridge and the old one lane gorge bridge 90kms upstream.
And that’s aside from the implications to SH1 and the only railway line – of landslides or tsunami pretty much all the way from Blenheim to Cheviot.
Sometimes it feels very isolated down here.
…but it is a lovely isolation….and just love it when those rivers run wild and mighty.!!!….hate to see them tamed and depleted for irrigation
….and who cares about rickety bridges?…our colonial ancestors had to ford them with horses if they were lucky …or swim…or paddle.
This map shows where the world’s 30 million slaves live. There are 60,000 in the U.S.
And, yes, NZ is represented as having slaves, approximately 500.
Depends entirely on the definition of “slave”. I would suggest that America has many many more than 60,000. There’s a whole economy based on low-paid ($1-3 hour) prison inmates that produce massive amounts of products cheaply, including large amounts of military hardware such as uniforms and basic equipment. To the point that states trade prison inmates between themselves in order to fulfill government contracts…
Who are the NZ slaves?
Probably a combination of sex slaves and workers in slave like conditions (technically paid but the bills that the employer charges the employed are more than the pay) all of which will be foreign born. We here of some of these in the news every now and then but for some reason they’re not called what they are.
Judith Collins is going to speak to the China Executive Leadership Academy about government transparency and accountability. Is she aware of the irony of a Minister of a sly, secretive, unwilling to accept accountability ‘government’ talking about those subjects? A bit like Ruth Richardson and Roger Douglas talking to foreign governments about economic stewardship- what a fucking joke.
More to the point: the Chinese know this.
http://finetoothcolumn.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/subcontracting-morality/
– Well thats food for thought
DUTCH KING TELLS THE POOR: “BUILD YOUR OWN SAFETY NETS”
No, this is not a Monty Python sketch. The King of the Netherlands, Willem-Alexander announced the end of the welfare state in a speech written by the government. But while the population of the Netherlands has faced some of the most severe austerity measures in Europe, the monarchy has cut nothing from the £31m it receives from the taxpayer each year – overtaking the Windsors as the most expensive monarchy in Europe…..
http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/10/18/31m-a-year-from-the-taxpayer-and-dutch-king-tells-the-poor-build-your-own-safety-nets/
How sad.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/big-sky-big-money/remember-those-campaign-finance-documents-we-found-in-a-meth-house/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9304274/Tough-conditions-for-Kiwi-activists-in-Russia
– Thats what happens when you mess with the big boys but inadvertently Lucy Lawless shows them what they should stick to in future
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/9304237/Lucy-Lawless-in-Greenpeace-Arctic-protest
What has happened in Auckland in the last 3-4years? People on the street and on the beach are so defensive so as to scare other people away. People hog the footpath so I have to walk on the road. What happened to altruism, manners, thoughtfulness? I wonder if it’s like this in other Western countries.
What happened in Auckland was a National Govt took charge, the economy slowed more than needed, and a lot of people’s attitudes shifted to suit.
NZ slaves are on Korean fishing boats thank to National delaying implementation of new rules preventing such conditions.
Other slaves on farm labour are made to work huge hours 80 hrs plus only getting paid 40 to 45 hrs.
National again don’t bother funding osh labour dept mobie
Forestry workers made to work long unsafe hours killing workers!
Religious fundamentalists such as thr exclusive bretheren who force marriages force labour again National implicated!