Open mike 21/02/2023

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1. lprent 1

   21 February 2023 at 12:31 pm

   Why am I seeing no comments in open mike?
   • Incognito 1.1

     21 February 2023 at 12:40 pm

     Because some are still stuck on the wrong date 🙁
2. weka 2

   21 February 2023 at 12:32 pm

   slow day?

   can you tell how many commenters on are mobile devices atm?
   • lprent 2.1

     21 February 2023 at 1:02 pm

     It went out of cloudflare development mode again.

     I also see a problem with the connection to google analytics. That may be as a result to an upgrade to jetpack
     • Incognito 2.1.1

       21 February 2023 at 1:05 pm

       Yes, I’d also noticed the GA issue but decided that it was mostly a beck-end error and not worth bugging you with more bugs.
     • lprent 2.1.2

       21 February 2023 at 1:22 pm

       Ok, fixed both of those. Now have cloudflare develop off. And the server is running at about 12% of capacity while running a offsite backup 🙂

       GA is back again. It had a error and stopped. I had to reset the error page.
     • lprent 2.1.3

       21 February 2023 at 1:29 pm

       Ok, fixed both of those. Now have cloudflare develop off. And the server is running at about 12% of capacity while running a offsite backup 🙂

       GA is back again. It had a error and stopped. I had to reset the error page. That looks like it was a problem at Google. They also appear to be rebooting whatever saerver I’m talking to.

       Just a bit weird at present. I’m sending a WTF query to Cloudflare.
3. Incognito 3

   21 February 2023 at 2:09 pm

   Oh dear, that sounds like the same attitude that Wayne Brown displayed when sitting at his desk waiting for all the information to come before he pulled finger.

   She did believe in climate change, insisted Pugh, but was yet to be convinced human activity was a contributor.

   "It's not what I think, it's what I can prove," she told reporters.

   https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484589/national-s-maureen-pugh-chastised-over-climate-comments-she-s-gonna-be-doing-a-lot-of-reading
   • roy cartland 3.1

     21 February 2023 at 2:35 pm

     Well, I know it's been said before, but if there's one thing I know about Maureen Pugh…
     • Incognito 3.1.1

       21 February 2023 at 2:38 pm

       Yup, that it’s unlikely that she’s the only Nat MP who ‘thinks’ like that …
     • PsyclingLeft.Always 3.1.2

       21 February 2023 at 3:19 pm

       Pugh has been struck by lightning three times.[34]

       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_Pugh

       Somethings trying to tell her…..
   • AB 3.2

     21 February 2023 at 2:42 pm

     Pugh's misdemeanor is to be still stuck at one of the earlier stages of crude denialism that was common over a decade ago. She needs to get with the game and move on to the more sophisticated versions espoused by Luxon & co., i.e. that it is anthropogenic, but solutions will come only if we free the private sector to innovate and develop technologies that will permit continuous exponential economic growth to continue for ever by decoupling it from planetary impacts . This means the state should not force disruptive change on business but merely set up a framework of incentives.

     Maureen Pugh is transparently bonkers. Ironically, this makes her less dangerous than Luxon & co whose more sophisticated positioning has more superficial plausibility. Both are a recipe for inaction.
     • Tony Veitch 3.2.1

       21 February 2023 at 4:17 pm

       that it is anthropogenic, but solutions will come only if we free the private sector to innovate and develop technologies that will permit continuous exponential economic growth to continue for ever by decoupling it from planetary impacts . This means the state should not force disruptive change on business but merely set up a framework of incentives.

       Absolutely right, AB. Maureen is merely stupid, but Christopher is dangerous. Same result, however.
     • Drowsy M. Kram 3.2.2

       21 February 2023 at 5:37 pm

       'Roading emergency' as alternative routes into Northland restricted
       [20 February 2023]

       Whangārei Mayor Vince Cocurullos called for a four-lane expressway to be built in Northland.

       "If we want Northland to continue to grow and if we want to put the investment into Northland, that is what we need."

       Growth (more people/consumption) is the problem! Please Vince (& Pugh), just get it.

       Fifty Years After ‘The Limits to Growth’: Dennis Meadows interviewed by Juan Bordera [21 July 2022]

       DM: Despite the irrefutable fact that it is cheaper, quicker and easier to reduce energy consumption, the tendency is to look for the technological solution that will allow us to do what we can no longer do without causing serious damage. It is a total fantasy.
       …
       We’re like on a treadmill that’s accelerating rapidly. You know, those treadmills that you run on but you don’t go anywhere. That’s what we’re doing.
       …
       I think we are going to see more changes in the next 20 years than we have seen in the last 100.

       "In the next 20 years"?!!! I don't like the sound of that.

       B: Do you believe a coalition of gifted elites could change course in those circles?

       DM: Gifted elites? Sounds like an Oxymoron to me.

       The Netherlands may be the first country to hit the limits of growth
       [27 October 2022]
       The country has 507 people per sq km, nearly five times the EU average, while liveable land is shrinking due to climate change
   • Anne 3.3

     21 February 2023 at 3:07 pm

     You beat me to it. God, she's thick! How come such people are even in parliament and allowed to pass judgement and vote on legislation… on our behalf.
     • PsyclingLeft.Always 3.3.1

       21 February 2023 at 3:27 pm

       Sad..but true. The story , and in her own words…

       https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/national-mp-maureen-pugh-reveals-she-s-been-struck-by-lightning-three-times.amp.html
4. weka 4

   21 February 2023 at 2:24 pm

   This just confirms for me that you have no intention of linking in the future if it's too hard or whatever.

   All that needed to happen here was to ask for help and learn how to do it. It's not difficult.

   [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
   
   • Shanreagh 4.1

     21 February 2023 at 2:30 pm

     Weka,

     I cannot see anywhere how to ask for help other than going to one of the links on the contact page.

     Is that what you mean?

     I have emailed to the links that I have been able to find.
     • weka 4.1.1

       21 February 2023 at 2:36 pm

       emails go to Lprent. I mean make your comment and at the top of it say "sorry, I couldn't link to this because […], can someone please show me how so that I know for next time"

       What's happened here is you've just left it to the mods to sort out.

       I would guess you didn't think about it much, but what it means for me is I end up thinking the multiple people doing this don't get what the robust debate ethic means, nor the social tech we use to uphold it, nor what happens to it if people ignore the rules. Nor how much time it takes from the mods. And that is incredibly disheartening.
       • Shanreagh 4.1.1.1

         21 February 2023 at 2:49 pm

         I care very deeply for the work that all the moderators do and you especially. it grieves me to think that I have been the cause of work for both Incognito and you.

         I especially value the site because it is so competently managed.

         I do have trouble linking tweets to here, but don't seem to on Twitter itself or in my own emails.

         A 'how to' would be great, perhaps in FAQ?

         Also a 'how to' on contact to express concern about insults from a poster.

         I did not know that ‘asking for help’ meant posting the actual post with request for help in it. In our convos this has never been clear to me.
         • weka 4.1.1.1.1

           21 February 2023 at 2:57 pm

           Also a 'how to' on contact to express concern about insults from a poster.

           Reply to a comment of the mods (probably me or Incog), and say you need a mod to look at something, and post a link. Without a link I'm unlikely to follow it up. Can't speak for Incog.

           I do have trouble linking tweets to here, but don't seem to on Twitter itself or in my own emails.

           If you don't describe what the problem is, no-one here can help you.

           I did not know that ‘asking for help’ meant posting the actual post with request for help in it. In our convos this has never been clear to me.

           I suggested it for your comment today because that would have mitigated the immediate problem instead of yet again creating work for the mods. I'm not suggesting it routinely each time someone can't link. If you have an ongoing problem, then you can ask in OM.
           • Incognito 4.1.1.1.1.1

             21 February 2023 at 8:34 pm

             Speaking for myself It depends on whether I have time and on the context, i.e., who alleges what from whom. If it requires extra work, I’m (usually) less inclined to follow up on it. As always, the onus is on the commenter to provide the info + link.

             In this particular case, I have a strong suspicion what Shanreagh was referring to – the ‘culprit’ is already on my watch-list but I don’t always find it helpful (…) to announce this too overtly.

             I hope that Shanreagh and you have cleared up things.
     • weka 4.1.2

       22 February 2023 at 11:10 am

       Hi Shanreagh,

       Incognito has pointed out to me that you had tried to post links in the original comment yesterday. I didn't see those (I won't go into the technical explanation about why). All I saw was a post with a quote and no link.

       So my apologies for that.

       I would like to offer again to show you how to link. Can you please let me know if you are willing to do this and use it going forward? Thanks.
5. Shanreagh 5

   21 February 2023 at 2:57 pm

   I am confused, not hard. I did not mention Clark except to say that Incognito had linked.

   Now the post reads as if the indented part is a quote from Clark when it is my own post that was deleted from TS because I was not linking.

   Could the Clark link be changed to a link back to Incognito and not put under my own words.

   [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
   
   • weka 5.1

     21 February 2023 at 5:04 pm

     I’ve changed it back. My bad sorry, I didn’t read it properly and thought the post being referred to was the Guardian.

     if you tell me what the problem is with linking I’ll see if I can help.
   • weka 5.2

     21 February 2023 at 5:13 pm

     I’ve moved some of our comments to OM so they’re not distracting on Simon’s post and so we can troubleshoot if you want to sort out the lining issue.

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