So while Omicron variants 4 and 5 spread the jabbed up (neither being jabbed nor with "natural immunity" prevents infection) there is the risk while going to vote.
The election comes in time to prevent Netanyahu going to court. There is about another year in the USA to go – presumably the GOP primary race would result in a stay of court proceedings for Trump.
The Texas GOP Platform document is way worse then what you’ve seen snippets from, a thread 1)They call for any Executive Order “that go beyond administration of executive authority and have the effect of legislation” 2)Opposes any mass lock downs and contact tracing
Jonesing for a recession. When all you have is a Phillips curve model of inflation (with some “glorified moving average” fudge variables wedged in) this is the advice you’re gonna get. Somewhere between willful thickness and bad faith pic.twitter.com/kvSKb5PRBW
Who'd have thought a once in 100 year pandemic which closed down the entire planet would give people reason for feeling a bit bleak https://t.co/KhxLHSdPQH
I agree with the sentiment of this comment more than the facts as, the NAIRU theory (which Summers is likely applying) fundamentally rejects there being any useable Phillips curve trade off between unemployment and inflation.
This is a shocker interview with Julie Chapman, head Honcho of Kids Can. They are launching an appeal for funds because student poverty has never been worse.
''The principal of Henderson Intermediate, Wendy Esera, has been in education for 44 years and says student poverty is the worst she's seen.''
I know some of this because my aunty was a primary school junior syndicate team leader. She was often buying shoes and clothes for about eight students in her class.
We have all read the headlines you may say!
Yeah, but I'm talking circa 2009. So I'd guess Chapman isn't exaggerating to gain extra funding given the present situation. The interview also talks of teachers ringing Kids Can in tears. Again I can believe that because my aunt burnt out and became ill. She retired before her time.
The problem for me is with a question Kerre asked. Kerre said the government has pumped millions into this problem…where has the money gone? Good question. We know the school lunch scheme can be wasteful. And we know some parents… well, aren't good parents. The common retort is to say most parents are good parents and are honestly struggling and are doing the best they can. I don't doubt that, but I believe the numbers of sub standard parents is being underestimated. That area needs to be tightened up. But that means overhauling WINZ. If National attempt this once they become the government, their bull in a second hand store approach, will make things worse for everyone, including good parents.
Next time you are in the supermarket and you see someone using a turquoise/ blue looking credit card you will know that's a Winz emergency food grant card. I see them on a regular basis. And sometimes the food choices in those trollies are appalling. And worse, one off, very expensive items: eg naan bread or a tray of donuts. These aren't a good choice of food item for a struggling family.
What a worthless comment. Don't forget it's taxpayer's money. In other countries they would be at the dump scavenging for food. The short answer to be truthful from my perspective is no. Do the people of Ukraine deserve the luxury of peace now and again? Yes, they deserve peace all the time. But in their present situation that cannot happen. Same with our Winz clients. In case you haven't noticed they are in an emergency situation. And, no, I don't have all the answers. All I know is it's people like you who are part of the problem.
What a worthless comment.
… All I know is it's people like you who are part of the problem.
Poor people pay tax too, but good to know someone's keeping an eye on how 'the poors' pay at supermarkets – really shows your true worth, and true colours, imho.
Why poverty in New Zealand is everyone's concern
Liang describes poverty as a "heritable condition" that perpetuates and amplifies through generations: "It is also not hard to see how individual poverty flows into communities and society, with downstream effects on economics, crime and health, as well as many other systems. Loosen one strand and everything else unravels."
A Kete Half Empty Poverty is your problem, it is everyone's problem, not just those who are in poverty. – Rebecca, a child from Te Puru
Think about it. The benefit maybe $500 but they receive $400 in their hand as PAYE deducted. But the total $500 Gross benefit is just given to them funded from actual working tax payers tax paid.
Malcolm's 2017 analysis appealed to me. NZ is wealthy – redistributing a little more of that wealth would work wonders, imho. For example, I'd happily contribute to the tax on wealth proposed by the Green party – might not be required to contribute that much personally, but it's a decent thing to do.
Greens call for urgent action to fix tax system [26 April 2022]
“The most straightforward solution is to introduce a Capital Gains Tax or a Wealth Tax on individuals’ net wealth over $1 million – not including mortgages and other debt. This would only apply to the wealthiest six percent of New Zealanders."
Too much wealth is concentrated in the hands of a small number of Kiwis, and that's for real.
The Sad Slide of a Once Equal Nation [4 July 2017]
New Zealand, by most yardsticks, used to rival equal nations like Denmark. But New Zealand’s incomes have become much more unequal – and its problems much more pressing. Steeply progressive taxes could reverse that dynamic.
''NZ is wealthy – redistributing a little more of that wealth would work wonders, imho. For example, I'd happily contribute to the tax on wealth proposed by the Green party.''
The way I see it, taxing wealth runs into problems sooner or later. It will stifle innovation and be open to further creeping tax takes in one form or another in the future. The rich will a find a way to continue avoiding a wealth tax meaning more government resources to catch them. Savings may suffer and then the wealthy start looking overseas to move assets and business.
But for me it boils down to an envy tax for wealthy people. Many who have built businesses and wealth up from scratch. I wouldn't have the cheek to tax the fruits of their labour.
That said you may have seen the headlines awhile back where some wealthy individuals said they should be paying more tax. I say good on them. That's what democracy should be about. Not all rich people are rich pricks.
Sooner or later the government always wants more. Even if only temporally.
''Under this proposal, the total tax on an income of $40,000 would drop from $6,020 to $4,000, and the total tax on a $400,000 income would rise from $122,920 to $206,000.''
The way I see it, taxing wealth runs into problems sooner or later. It will stifle innovation and be open to further creeping tax takes in one form or another in the future. The rich will a find a way to continue avoiding a wealth tax meaning more government resources to catch them. Savings may suffer and then the wealthy start looking overseas to move assets and business.
Yes, that certainly is one way to see it. But what's the evidence that supports the way you see it? Apart from some “rich pricks” avoiding paying their fair share of tax – that’s a given. [Btw, why do you call them “rich pricks“? Are you suggesting that being rich increases your chances of becoming a prick?]
For example, is envy relevant to Danish innovation? Are Danes queuing to leave home? According to this 31 March 2022 article, NZ is the 10th happiest country, but Denmark is stable in 2nd place.
And the happiest place on spaceship Earth, for the 5th year running? Finland, despite being next door to Russia – who would have thunk it!
These Are the Happiest Countries in the World
Once again, the Nordic countries reign supreme. For the fifth year in a row, Finland is number one when it comes to happiness. The country consistently ranks among the top education systems in the world, occasionally beaten out by countries like South Korea, Japan, and Singapore. Much of that success comes from a widespread reverence for teachers, who are required to have a master’s degree (their education is state-funded), and a pedagogical system that focuses less on quantitative testing and more on experiential learning and equal opportunity.
Blade having a good supply of food for lunches so no one feels left out is more important than your bean counting solution which stigmatizes those who are hungry .Blade do you suggest that those poor parents all be trained to be better parents.That would require a massive investment of social workers fixing the housing crisis fixing the intergenerational neglect and abuse. Universal benefits require much less bearaucracy to implement. Malnurishment has longterm effects meaning society will pay more in the future from poor education poor health leading to multiple generations of poverty unrealised potentials. Blade you are Morally and emotionally aloof punish the poor for being poor for making poor decisions because of poor education coming from poor families. Logic type thinking is emotional aloofness a type of mental disorder where people don't care about their fellow human beings. Neo liberal economics plays one sector the money hoarders against those who don't have the luck to be born into a non dysfunctional well off lifstyle.Blaming the poor for being poor drag themselves up by their bootstraps when in reality less than 5% of people who are born into poverty break the cycle. Neo Liberal politicians use unemployment to control inflation then blame the unemployed for their predicament ,When the poor are being kept poor to make the economy run under this model!
Hey Blade next time you're at a supermarket judging what the poor can or can't have, do the world a solid favour and pull out your own card and pay for them.
And see if you can do it while keeping your mouth shut.
Hey, Ad. Who was judging? Just stating a fact from my perspective.
I am paying. No need to pull out my card. What have you ever given to charity? Probably like some socialists I know… when it's time for the the hat to go around, they are in the toilet having a dry one.
This is what a judgemental asshole sounds like when commenting on the poor:
And sometimes the food choices in those trollies are appalling. And worse, one off, very expensive items: eg naan bread or a tray of donuts. These aren't a good choice of food item for a struggling family.
Stick your facts up your ass and donate more instead.
If you think that's judgemental, that's how the poor feel with your eyes on them.
True dat. Maybe useful as an occasional reminder of just how deceitful and self-serving a 'player' can be (reminiscent of Dirty Politics) – but every day?!!
Ah, Robert. Of course you would turn up. But with what?
''Blade, while searching for something to inflame readers of The Standard, settled upon this.''
As a matter of fact this problem is about to explode. That's a whole new generation of malcontents in the making. Maybe coming to a street near you.
Now child poverty was a mainstay of Labour's agenda. And they delivered big bucks to try and fix the problem. It hasn't worked. So what the hell is National going to do? And will the problem become any better.
''Tomorrow, it'll be something else of a similar nature, with similar intent and effect.''
What type of wankery is that meant to mean? You are a Letie, yet I see little empathy. This should be your patch of concern. Maybe because it only effects mainly brown kids in some cases.?
Give us some ideas, Robert. I have some. I doubt you have any.
Boo hoo, "rich pricks" "can't criticise the poor" – 'priceless'. "Rich pricks" need hobbies, and some get off on kicking people while they're down, imho.
Ruthanasia was controversial as the National Party had fought the 1990 election on a manifesto promising "The Decent Society" and implicitly repudiating the radicalism of the Fourth Labour Government.
Yes. I can give you personal experiences if you want?
Quote:
''The Ka Ora, Ka Ako programme was first rolled out to primary schools with high levels of need in 2019. The funding was expanded to some high schools in 2020 and 2021, at a cost of $220.6 million over two years.''
Now, I need to ask myself a question: Am I being trolled, or is the ideological castle being challenged by barbarians at the gate. Probably the latter, leading to the former.
There's another evaluation coming out from the expanded programme as well.
Stuff's Act-led foolishness is the reddest of red herrings when the actual policy results are more young people are less hungry and are learning better.
It's not about the success or otherwise of the programme. And Julie Chapman has said it isn't working in many cases…. It's about the waste. Waste means a waste of taxpayers money and faults somewhere in the delivery of the programme.
Yeah , and if we cut the waste, a whole lot more poor folk can be helped. And once again, I remind you – ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS MONEY TO WASTE..IT'S OURS.
the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. The two main areas are logical semantics, concerned with matters such as sense and reference and presupposition and implication, and lexical semantics, concerned with the analysis of word meanings and relations between them.
the meaning of a word, phrase, or text.
The fact is the people own the government…at least they should.
Utter BS again, we don’t “own the government” and neither “should” we. It’s clear why you must rely on TB talking points to form your ‘opinions’ because you have not the slightest clue of how things are in the real world, let alone how they should be. You live in a TB fantasy world in which the Wizard is called Mikey.
Nope, you’re wrong, I don’t diss the sites and TB, I diss the lazy unthinking army of braindead zombies who rely on them for their cognitive existence and I diss the maleficent malcontents who use the talking points and propaganda from those sites and TB for nefarious agendas and interests. Put it all on the table and let the sunshine in, is my motto.
You’re troll-like by refusing to point to an answer that reflects or represents the way you ‘see it’. So, you were just wasting my time with your link to Quora. Yup, definitely troll-like behaviour.
BTW, your concern about my peril is quite endearing but I can assure I’m fine.
Its a lot more fundamental than semantics. If the government is dependent on tax payers to provide the money then it would clearly be impossible to change currencies. Countries relatively recently have retired entire currencies and replaced them with new ones (for various reasons).
Consider the situation in France in 1999. At this time France has decided to adopt the Euro and replace the Franc. In your conception the government is a bit stuffed because nobody outside the government has any Euro in France. That's going to be a problem because you can't collect Euro from people who got none making adopting the Euro problematic.
Once we realize its government money however the way this works is simple to understand. The government will spend Euro, Tax in Euro and issue exchanges for Franc as the public wants. In fact this is what was implemented across multiple European countries at the same time.
In my opinion, the French approach demonstrates what can be done by communities when food–and teaching children to love eating healthy food–is a priority. Note: unlike the United States, there is no national school lunch program in France. All of the lunches you’ll read about here are funded by local municipalities. Three-course (or even four-course) freshly-prepared hot lunches are provided to over 6 million French children in the public school system every day. Even without national subsidies, these meals cost, on average, $3 per child (and prices for low-income families are subsidized),
I understand that, Ad. And have downloaded the report from the link you've posted to read on another device. I did have a look at the summary though, and the measurement criteria.
I was posting the links because the French school lunch intention, implementation and experience seems to have a wider perspective that may be valuable to consider (from the 2nd link):
Here’s a quote from the website of a school near Paris: “Mealtime is a particularly important moment in a child’s day. Our responsibility is to provide children with healthy, balanced meals; to develop their sense of taste; to help children, complementing what they learn at home, to make good food choices without being influenced by trends, media, and marketing; and to teach them the relationship between eating habits and health. But above all else, we aim to enable children to spend joyful, convivial moments together, to learn a ‘savoir-vivre’, to make time for communication, social exchange, and learning about society’s rules–so that they can socialize and cultivate friendships.”
And, actually, in practice, sometimes they both look unappealing and are poor nutrition.
A friend who is a teacher at one of the schools with the free lunch programme, has been posting photos.
They hit a new low last week: 1 stale white bread bun, with a slice of processed cheese and a smear of jam (yes in the same bun). That was it.
The kids didn't eat it (not surprisingly, I wouldn't have).
The teachers did an emergency trip to the supermarket, and came back with bread, and peanut butter. So the kids had something in their tummies for the rest of the day.
There was a very nice brochure sent out to parents, describing (with pictures) what will be provided. However, the quality has been on a significant downwards spiral. And the quality checks that the Ministry are supposed to carry out — have been completely absent.
Look, I know (believe me, I know), feeding kids is tricky. One week they're all over tomato and cheese sandwiches, the next they turn their noses up at exactly the same thing.
But, providing a basic wholemeal bread sandwich with a decent filling, isn't rocket science – and doesn't need to cost the earth. Mandarins are cheap at this time of year, as are kiwifruit. One in each lunchbox is a quick and easy way to get some vitamins (especially Vitamin C at this time of year) into the kids.
I get the feeling that some of the contractors are making a healthy profit, and the kids aren't getting a healthy meal.
Initially It was. That's the problem. And if you believe all schools give unwanted spare lunches away you are dreaming. We are talking double handling and poor focusing on individual school needs.
Your opinion is incorrect Blade. Another example from your link "Crawford and Walters send surplus lunches to community centres, where any member of the public can pick them up that afternoon"
Some supermarkets do self police what comes to the check out. I know a loved one always made sure she was buying essentials when she was given food grants. She made sure she bought items she couldn't normally cover in her benefit such as kitchen spray cleaning or vitamins anything too expensive to fit in her normal supermarket shop. Granted she thought the checkout tellers were "nazis" but accepted it.
Yes, I have noticed policing of food grants is different depending on the supermarket. My local supermarket caters to the low earner /beanie demographic. They can buy whatever they want. However, that may be because the people that frequent my local aren't the type you say no to. The bash is always a possibility. So maybe they just take the path of least resistance. I don't know. However, if all supermarkets are meant to be limiting what a food grant can purchase, I believe that needs to be enforced.
And maybe do away with benefit payments altogether, and have a central hub that pays for everything? A bureaucratic nightmare at present to implemented for sure. But if you consider we are close to becoming a cashless society, it would be an easy step in future.
BTW – was your loved one using the old paper food grant transaction, or did they have the much easier card system? The old system could hold a line of shoppers up for ages while everything was checked.
Then you appear to have no self awareness. Obviously you are hearing something from me Blade, or else you wouldn't be replying. One wonders if you spend your time skulking around supermarket checkouts. It's clear that what you want to do is police what beneficiaries receive and what they spend their money on, because you are under the delusion that beneficiaries are spending your money. Well, it's not your money and what people spend their money on is none of your business.
Yes, it's my money…taxpayers money. I have a right to stick my nose in. Stop playing your silly games. This WAS a socialist paradise. But not anymore.
''One wonders if you spend your time skulking around supermarket checkouts.''
''It's called situational awareness. And no, I don't skulk around supermarkets. I have better things to do. That you haven't noticed what I notice means you are half asleep…as your comments show.''
No, it is not your money Blade, as I have already explained to you in another post. Obviously you don't have better things to do and you have no right to stick your nose into someone else's business.
A garage mechanic is spilling 150mls of oil every time he does an oil change. That's a lot of oil depending on how many cars he services in a working week. That's money down the drain that could be used for other garage essentials or expenses.
Solution: sack the mechanic if he's at fault. However, if he's spilling oil because of the way the garage is configured, or because he has to follow guidelines on how the oil change must be done, then those hinderances must be removed or altered to streamline the operation, stop wastage and save money.
No it wouldn't. Household budgets and efficiencies apply in principle across the board. Sort it out…not by increasing bureaucrats. But by holding them responsible for the jobs they do.
Wag your finger at those spoiled little brats at school who won’t eat their provided lunches, courtesy of the Taxpayer. Perhaps they should learn how precious food is and the resources that go into producing and transporting it and perhaps they should learn to minimise and manage waste; don’t they teach them anything useful at school nowadays??
I agree with the your last paragraph. The little brats haven't time to be taught how precious food is because climate change, Maori culture and other environmental issues are being taught.
Therefore, let's check where the money is going from government, and the criteria to distribution of free food lunches in school. Then cut out or cut back on schools wasting kai ( maybe make kids a accountable). For example my nephew attends what would be a decile 8 school. He forgoes his substantial breakfast and lunch available from his home in favour of a three course meal at school. These schools should be cut from the free food programme for starters.
Since when does central government provide 3-course meals to decile 8 or any decile schools?
Sounds like you’re making up shit again.
Of course, kids are too busy during their lunch breaks with learning about CC, Māori culture, and other environmental issues to focus time on food. These kids have such limited attention span, can only focus on one thing at a time, that they use talkback as their main source of ‘information’ later in life.
You obviously haven’t raised any children yourself because you’d know that home-packed lunches (not so much the snacks, funnily enough) often come back home unfinished and sometimes even untouched. That’s what afternoon tea and fridges are for, brilliant inventions!
Let the waste minimisation and management start at home, continue at school, and last a lifetime. A bit like learning, really. You didn’t click on any of the links, clearly.
Um, no, they literally don't. A government budget is nothing at all like a household budget. That's a ridiculous assertion. Governments can create legal fiat currency backed by natural resources and labour, and it can license banks to create credit, which does the same thing. Countries have been doing this for centuries – households can't. And unlike a business a state can't just fire non-productive units – well, they can, but that would be a crime against humanity.
Furthermore bureaucrats perform actual functions and are too busy to also have to put up with the kind of performance assessments you are suggesting, because that would give them even less time to do their jobs, making them even less efficient.
But the spending goals of governments and households are simply not the same. The purpose of a government budget is to help the entire economy, whereas a household budget is mainly concerned with its own financial situation.''
You are quite correct with some of your assertions. However, both government and households have the following in common:
How is the government similar to households?
Much like households, governments have regular income and expenditures. They both take on outside debt and if their debts get too high, they can get into trouble. But unlike households, governments can, and do, print money. Governments also have the power to change their income levels by raising taxes.
I wrote:
'' Household budgets and efficiencies apply in principle across the board.''
For example, apart from the obvious similarities, households can act in a limited way like a government.
''Governments also have the power to change their income levels.''
So do households if you think about it. Take on boarders for example.
Of course there are differences like tax take and printing money.
Of late I have come to consider that government finances are indeed more like a households than not, despite the constant refrain that they are not (methinks they protest too much)….while governments may have the ability to theoretically 'print' money while households do not, the consequences of abusing this are the same as for a household that overindulges on credit….perhaps the real difference between households and governments is not so much in the field of finance but rather in the ability to enforce its will….. so long as it can.
''Perhaps the real difference between households and governments is not so much in the field of finance but rather in the ability to enforce its will….. so long as it can.''
You're diversion trolling. The healthy school lunches programme is nothing like running an SME, they're completely different in scope, intent, and implementation. Private households are a different thing yet again.
Blade: while you're here: you’ve sparked my interest with what you wrote earlier about your organic farm and your use of rock-dust, seawater, lawn-clippings and biochar for making your 10 acres fertile. It’s your biochar that I’d like to ask you about, if I may.
Where do you get it from? How much do you need for your 10 acres and how do you apply it? I’ve read about the value of biochar and some of the historical uses. You mentioned “activating” your biochar before applying it; how do you do that? It all sounds innovative and exciting!
'I'm sorry, Robert. I gave you my best before; wasted my precious time on you. And my reward was you shat on me. I like to think I learn from my mistakes. It’s a pity because I have a real passion for this stuff and I like helping those out who have a similar passion.
Sad that you can't bring yourself to share your intimate knowledge of those subtle organic practices you employ. Who knows what else you get up to on the farm that would be of interest to other gardeners and farmers here on The Standard. Your use of vortex technology for potentising water for your crops sounded fascinating! Oh, that we could hear more about that! And deploying rock dust as a long-term, slow-release fertiliser – how forward-thinking that sounds! Then topping-up your nutrient applications with sea-water! Wowsers!
Our loss, I suppose. No-one would have expressed their incredulity, had they know you'd take such offence to being tested that way.
Hei aha (I slipped that in because of your Maori heritage).
"Sort it out…not by increasing bureaucrats. But by holding them responsible for the jobs they do."
Please refrain from making sensible comments like this on here. Now go wash your mouth out………they must not be held to account. It is not the Labour way.
Kerre said very little and was clearly fishing. Fortunately, her guest, Julie Chapman of KidsCan was very professional and didn’t take the obvious bait and she made a few good points. It was actually not too bad an interview.
As for results, well, don’t let a few facts get in the way of Blade’s and your narrative:
In fact, she cites exactly that as the reason she came to politics:
Jacinda first acted on the instincts that led her to politics, after seeing rampant inequality in Murupara as a little girl.
“I always noticed when things felt unfair,” she says thoughtfully. “Of course, when you’re a kid, you don’t call it social justice. I just thought it was wrong that other kids didn’t have what I had. When we moved to Morrinsville, I was eight years old, and I started doing something about it – joining human rights groups at school and things like that.”
Press releases by Government, to be more precise. You know, that lot that has the big picture.
I also listened to the podcast and heard what Julie Chapman said. Funnily enough, she did acknowledge the Government report. You may have missed it, in your rush.
I agree with your comment that it was not a bad interview. But people like Wendy Esera are clearly seeing a different picture than is being presented by the governments spin.
Unlike some I don’t see it as “different” and as a binary; both views are valid and they’re complementary; they’re literally different PoVs. Julie Chapman also agreed with Esera’s comments. This is not just semantics and I genuinely believe that Esera, Chapman, the PM and many (?) in Government would agree on most things and could come to a very good understanding amongst themselves because they have very similar goals, i.e., common ground. Kerre was the odd one out or tried to play the Devil’s advocate, but she was not convincing.
Not true to suggest nothing has been done Gypsy, for example, "More than 380,000 primary mental wellbeing sessions have been delivered and more than 900 additional FTEs are working to support mental wellbeing in the community"
"A review has found no change in access to specialist mental health services in five years despite the Government's $1.9 billion cash injection in 2019. The review has also found that one-in-five people in New Zealand are not followed up after discharge from acute inpatient mental health units."
"… that just five new places for acute mental health patients had been added since 2019…"
"…it also highlighted a lack of accountability over the package, with different agencies focussing on their area, without a cohesive overarching plan to work together."
"More than 380,000 primary mental wellbeing sessions have been delivered and more than 900 additional FTEs" is significant and are facts Gypsy, the claim that nothing has been done is false, also the $1.9b allocation is for four years, and it’s only two years in.
"Matt Doocey and the National Party have a lot to answer for because of their nine years of neglect to the mental health system."
Little said the money is being spent and it is making a difference.
"Of the $1.9 billion, about $800 million of it went to a variety of other Government departments – Corrections, Education, and the Ministry of Social Development to do a range of mental health things for their area.
"For the Ministry of Health, the $1.1 billion they've got, over a four year period nearly half a billion dollars is going into what we call the Access and Choice program. Two years into that program we've added 850 full-time equivalent roles or people to the frontline of mental health.
"It is simply not correct for people like Matt Doocey and others to say the money is going nowhere. It is going all over the place and it is making a difference."
I'm not sure who claimed 'nothing has been done'. In mental health, as in other areas, this government seems quite adept at spending a lot of money but getting little in the way of results.
If you don't accept what I'm saying, perhaps you'll take the word of Andrew Little himself:
As usual, your comments are so misleading that they border on being disingenuous.
Allocating government funds ≠ spending government funds
In Budget 2019 the Government announced $1.9b for mental health, with $235 million set aside for building mental health and addiction facilities.
National's mental health spokesperson Matt Doocey revealed just $500,000 of $235m set aside for new mental health facilities in Budget 2019 had been spent, or 0.2 per cent.
"In mental health, as in other areas, this government seems quite adept at allocating and/or spending a lot of money but getting little in the way of results."
Why would I be? Because you stop your misleading comments and become an honest debater who acts in good faith and whose comments I can trust?
Your comment is just another pathetic attempt at painting the Government in a bad light; it’s essentially meaningless, but good for a negative vibe, which is the gist of almost all your comments here.
"Your comment is just another pathetic attempt at painting the Government in a bad light; it’s essentially meaningless, but good for a negative vibe, which is the gist of almost all your comments here."
I'm not sure why you find this surprising, the current government has been particularly woeful over the last 12 months.
I find it surprising that so many of the commenters continue to be so supportive of the current lot despite their poor performance.
Really? Where did I say that I find it surprising that Gypsy is doing his usual BS?
I find it surprising …
You find it surprising because you conflate anti-government propaganda and robust criticism of government. You also conflate commenters who don’t swallow the usual BS from RWs with devoted supporters of government who dare not speak poorly of said government.
No wonder that some deluded dimwits say that it is “tribal”, FFS; it is truly an idiotic argument.
Pointing out that the government spent 0.2% of an allocation in 2 years may be 'meaningless' to you, but it is a pattern of wasteful and/or ineffective spending by this government.
You didn’t point out any such thing in your comment @ 3:24 pm. It was another broad-brush pathetic swipe at Government without any substance or content matter. It was bumper sticker BS: cheap, lazy, sticky, and unseemly.
Allocating ≠ spending
You’re clutching at straws; the money will be spent, in due course, or it will be re-allocated, as and when required by the circumstances. That’s what prudent governments do.
I didn’t link to your comment because I replied to it, as you can see from the nesting and from the start of my reply, which was the end of your comment to which I replied, i.e., Happy now?
Too hard for you to connect the dots?
Yours was this one (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895979) @ 3:24 pm, and as you can see, it was so generalised that it would just about cover any accusation one could aim at Government, which was entirely your intention, of course.
And here you’ve taken the opportunity again, as usual, to list your litany of anti-government headlines and other dirt that you could throw at them. No commentary, no explanation, no argument, just scrolls of negativity, which you call “examples”. Your pointless point scoring is tedious and doesn’t add anything of value nor does it contribute to discussion.
You’d expect to see results from 0.2% spent since it had been allocated and then whinge & moan that it is “wasteful and/or ineffective spending by this government” because there are not as many results yet as you’d wish while there still is 99.8% to be spent, obviously. As Louis has already pointed out repeatedly, there are results and things are happening in this space. But as usual, you ignore, deny, and obfuscate, because it doesn’t suit your anti-government narrative.
So, now you move the goalposts from poor/wasteful spending to ‘why has it not been spent yet’. Clutching at straws to get your hit.
The real question is why you’re such a disingenuous commenter here who’s playing games all the fucking time.
Nice try, but no, I’m not trying to shut down discussion but rather the opposite, I’m trying to keep it honest and in good faith. You’re playing games here and not engaging in good faith, which is why you and I butt heads and why I’m trying you steer you back on track or I will (no try) shut down your playing games.
We all expect results and I believe most if not all of us are underwhelmed by and disappointed with the little progress so far, and that indeed includes the Minister although you worded that really poorly. More money will be spent (cf. mental health allocations in Budget-2022; I’ll spare you the Government press releases because you seem to have developed such an aversion to them) and more results are coming, with time.
What you did @ 5:29 pm (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1896020) is known as link-spamming, which is warned against in this site’s Policy. It’s often used by trolls and others who don’t want to engage or are too lazy to put their own arguments in writing. Here, it can be a reason for banning. But you already know this.
My swallow reflex has nothing to do with your inability to follow the flow of comments here. It’s a sad diversion attempt on your behalf.
It’s funny how your wrong assumption gave you the self-invitation to go off on another rant-list of headlines pretending this is the ‘discussion’ I’m trying to shut down.
And Blade quoted/paraphrased Kerre, so you indirectly quoted/paraphrased Kerre, or are you simply quoting Blade now for his opinions only, which he gets from TB, BTW? Stop playing games here.
Yeah, you quoted Blade who quoted Kerre, we agree on this, and you agreed with Blade and Kerre’s opinion. You happened to point to the part of Blade’s comment where he quoted Kerre. And you copied & pasted it too @ 3.6; the italics are irrelevant. So, stop playing games here.
Nope. The topic has been on government spending money and not getting results, or wasteful/ineffective spending. You've spent a hell of a lot of time engaging in a diversion if you think it is one.
"I don’t need to defend any of your strawmen."
Ha! You need to look up the definition of straw man. Or maybe try to engage in good faith by trying to explain how the government you're defending could spend $600k on office space, $51m on consultants and buy 5 houses for a project it canned!
That’s correct and you linked it to mental health spending and Louis responded to that @ 3.6.2. You went along nicely until you suddenly and out of the blue decided to divert away to KB in the middle of the tread on mental health spending. In fact, you made a whole song & dance musical over the 0.2% spent so far.
I don’t need to defend your strawmen nor engage with them. It is part of your diversion strategy, a gish gallop of gaslighting gripes.
"You went along nicely until you suddenly and out of the blue decided to divert away to KB in the middle of the tread on mental health spending."
The KB comment was entirely relevant. It went to the heart of the comment Louis made about the mental health plan being a 4 year spend. I likened that comment to KB being a 10 year plan to build 100,000 homes. It’s not an unreasonable comparison.
Nope, KB and mental health spending have nothing in common other than being Government initiatives. This doesn’t excuse your diversions whenever you choose to and/or whenever it suits you; it’s a whateboutery variant. One plan is in progress, the other is still in progress after a major reset. Both are delivering results.
"Nope, KB and mental health spending have nothing in common other than being Government initiatives. "
In the context of Louis' comment, the thing they have in common is government failure. The spending of only 0.2% of an allocation when we have a mental health crisis is very similar to only building 1362 out of 100,000 houses promised when we have a housing crisis.
That has already been countered too and you’re simply parroting your own headlines again: Government failure and crises – just negative narratives from you. The only ‘similarities’ are your enormous umbrella of negativity and antipathy towards the current Government. Things are in progress, things are happening, results are being and will be delivered. No failure but developments with adjustments and recalibration along the way – that’s life. Tough for you to swallow, I realise.
Kerre's opinion is not fact and so if you accept an acknowledgement by the minister at being frustrated at the pace, why cant you accept the following quote
"Matt Doocey and the National Party have a lot to answer for because of their nine years of neglect to the mental health system."
Little said the money is being spent and it is making a difference.
"Of the $1.9 billion, about $800 million of it went to a variety of other Government departments – Corrections, Education, and the Ministry of Social Development to do a range of mental health things for their area.
"For the Ministry of Health, the $1.1 billion they've got, over a four year period nearly half a billion dollars is going into what we call the Access and Choice program. Two years into that program we've added 850 full-time equivalent roles or people to the frontline of mental health.
"It is simply not correct for people like Matt Doocey and others to say the money is going nowhere. It is going all over the place and it is making a difference." (See 3.6.2.1.1 for the link).
An interesting note: 5700 medical workers, drs and nurses were brought into the country when the border was closed.
See Incognito's response to you and yes, KB was a 10 yr plan, there's been a reset and the govt have, so far, also built thousands of state and transitional housing as well, with more currently under construction.
"we have added over 9,000 warm, dry public homes to the stock – with over 7,400 of them being brand new builds. We have also supported the addition of more than 3,500 transitional homes (a mix of government and community housing provider-led builds)"
"KB was a 10 yr plan, there's been a reset and the govt have, so far, also built thousands of state and transitional housing as well, with more currently under construction."
The 'reset' was the result of the failure of the scheme. The state houses built are not kiwibuild.
Instead of acknowledging the modest but undeniable progress to date you post silly slants from three and half years ago again demonstrating that you’re not commenting here in good faith.
But why ignore the following Gypsy? it's part of this govt's massive building plan that includes Kiwibuild.
"we have added over 9,000 warm, dry public homes to the stock – with over 7,400 of them being brand new builds. We have also supported the addition of more than 3,500 transitional homes (a mix of government and community housing provider-led builds)"
Exactly, “was”, past tense and before the Great Reset.
How long are you going to keep your in head in the sand and ignore that the world has moved on and that things have changed? As long as it suits your narrative?
"Kiwibuild is PART of the govt's housing building program Gypsy."
The government promised to build 100,000 houses over 10 years for private ownership. By June 2022 they said they would have built 28,000 homes. They have built 1365. You can spin that anyway you choose, the government can 'reset' all it likes, but it's failure by any measure.
Like I said Gypsy, there has been a reset, which you can't dismiss because it doesn't suit you and any homes built after National left a housing crisis would be a success. Example, from your link, "Developments like Panmure in Auckland that include KiwiBuild are seen as a success: not just new homes, but a whole new way of living" "the success the Government has had in other areas of housing policy"
National promised more affordable homes, promised to build thousands of new state houses by selling off 8000 existing houses would you believe but delivered an unprecedented housing crisis instead. National also didn't deliver on it's later promise to build 34,000 homes in Auckland either.
"Fletcher Building chairman's praise for KiwiBuild
KiwiBuild may have failed to hit its targets, but it has brought about a culture change in the building industry, according to Fletcher Building's chairman. "It has focused the industry around affordable housing,"
"An interesting note: 5700 medical workers, drs and nurses were brought into the country when the border was closed."
Do you have a link to the data (apart from the whole Parliamentary session)?
It seems surprising, as only 300 MIQ spaces were set aside per month for health workers (from November 21), and there were several articles about those places not being full (as the workers couldn't get through the Immigration system). I don't see how they could have got to 5,700.
Just the link to the PM's Q/A, duration: 8 mins 35secs.
Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: We currently have 20,000 nurses registered but not practising in New Zealand. One of the issues that has been raised with us when we went out and consulted is a concern that if we did not attach to the residency pathway the requirement to keep working in nursing, there may be a loss of that nursing workforce. The point is to take stress
Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I'm not going to name individual district health boards but the stats do demonstrate that we have a higher movement rate for those who have come in as migrants into the nursing workforce than the general nursing workforce. Can I also point out that this is on top of the work that we've already been doing to bring in critical purpose visas for health workers? We have had, even while our borders were closed, 5,700 critical purpose visas for health roles since COVID. We have been recruiting offshore. At the same time, we've had the Return to Nursing Workforce Support Fund to try to bring back some of those 20,000 who are trained as nurses but are currently not working as nurses. We've had the general nurses campaign; the New Entry to Practice Programme, which had $25 million put in in 2019; and we have increased our nursing workforce, as a Government, by 15 percent. We have focused on turning around an understaffed health workforce, and we continue to do so.
This lot were up to their eyeballs in debt to Waitaki District Council and Crown Irrigation Investments Ltd (Set up under Key to massively expand dairy irrigation).
Of course the shareholders might be able to finesse some kind of re-financing.
But what a great opportunity for the new Crown water entity to take over 5,500 hectares of irrigation and invite good farmers to farm for high profit and high sustainability.
It's great countryside round there – plenty of options beyond dairy if you've got a bit of water. Half the battle though, might be to aim for smaller multicrop farms, rather than unrelieved pastoral or vineyard or forestry.
Smaller farms in Korea often have rice fields, a couple of paddocks of table grapes, an enoki or shitake mushroom field, and a handful of hand raised cows – not so much a monoculture.
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She is the real deal and could be the actual nail that fixes shut US military hijinx in arming drug cartels against poor Colombians. All that is left now is for Lula to take back Brazil. This will be a tough nut to crack with the US potentially focused on keeping Bolsonara in charge
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German PPI ( primary producers index) inflation goes through the roof,hitting 33.6% with electricity inflation over 90% as well as key agriculture inputs.
#Inflation pressure keeps rising in #Germany. German PPI jumped by 33.6% in May YoY, the highest increase ever since the start of the statistic in 1949. Electricity prices rose by 90.4% YoY. Especially high were the price increases of fertilisers & nitrogen compounds (+110.9 %). pic.twitter.com/hvWtTOgjK5
— Holger Zschaepitz (@Schuldensuehner) June 20, 2022
To alleviate the crisis,the German energy minister (green party) has asked for the decrease in electricity generation in Gas (to allow for reserves to be sustained for winter) and asked for the increased generation by coal thermal plants.
The German government is taking measures to bolster gas storage levels and cut consumption 🇩🇪
Minister Habeck said Germany will rely more on coal power
“That’s bitter, but it’s simply necessary in this situation to reduce gas consumption,” he saidhttps://t.co/klwHqMxW77
The UK and Austria have also reinstated coal fired generation.
The German payment of 15B euros to subsidise the thermals,is twice the forex reserves of Pakistan which cannot afford the high spot rates for LNG forced by European demand.Hence Pakistan goes to severe conservation.
Islamabad ordered a swathe of businesses, which also includes hotels, cinemas and wedding venues, to close at set times between 9-11:30 pm for the next two months 💡
Punjab and Sindh provinces have issued similar curbs on business operating hours 🇵🇰https://t.co/HS8kKCCe4Q
Great that a Minister took the hint before the Fletchers Gib Board story went even more ballistic.
"The Minister for Building and Construction Megan Woods has set up a Ministerial taskforce with key construction, building consent, and supply chain experts to look at what more can be done to ease plasterboard shortages, including the potential for legislative or regulatory change."
Pretty astounding that the Minister of Consumer Affairs Mr Clark hasn't stepped in since this is a near-total-monopoly screwing the entire house construction market.
David Seymour got in on the act in Parliament. I thought the private enterprise free market approach was the way to go. Is that's what's operating? The market knows best, someone will make financial killing. Isn't that how it's meant to operate?
Surely the Government getting involved should be anathema to him.
But at least Woods is REACTING on her new brief, due to embarrassment. Fixed that for you AD.
FFS what has she been doing ?? This shortage has been an issue mid last year, perhaps it is time that ministers in this government went out and interacted with people, instead of being out of touch !!!!
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Former Aus FM, Bob Carr lays out a path by which Julian Assange could be freed by the new PM Albanese.
He laments the lack of any kind of national pride that allowed Morrison to accept such extreme treatment of an Aus passport holder and points out the obvious track record of support by Aus to all things US. Time for the lapdog to show some mongrel
Carr outlines the obvious face-saving measure that could well bring this monumentally stupid episode to a close. If the US security establishment and the Clinton Dems are the bad guys in this debacle – the entire UK establishment, their media, their Courts and Parliament have been to made to look like craven fools.
Everyone knows the original charges were politicised bollocks and the entire thing was an exercise in sustained bullying that has backfired badly. End it.
Whoever is doing the PR for Andrew Little, needs to work on his messaging.
He may be correct, in his narrow interpretation, that there is no Hospital 'crisis' – but the rest of NZ is surely seeing and hearing about one in practice at their local Emergency Department.
Denying this is simply playing into the perception that he is badly out-of-touch with reality in his Health portfolio.
I had really high hopes for health when Little became minister. TBF they were raised when Dr Clark was appointed but dashed quick smart.
Little has raised the ire of the nurses in the past with his 'blurring the numbers' during the recent wage round, between wage increase and the pay parity. Which, incidentally still isn't settled. The DHBs trying to go back on the understanding of when the pay parity would be backdated to.
As you say, Little needs better advisors. He could instruct the DHBs to agree to the NZNO's figures and wrap it up in a press release that is heavy in the acknowledgement of the dedicated service the nurses have shown through Covid, Win-Win.
At which point we will magically have enough doctors, nurses and allied medical staff, the 'postcode lottery' of healthcare will cease, health outcomes for all Kiwis will improve, and the vast sums saved will be able to be used to expand the health services. /sarc/
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Much of what will mark the early days of Chris Hipkins’ Prime Ministership would have happened anyway. By December, the Prime Minister and Finance Minister were making it clear the summer break and early days of this year were going to be spent on a reset of government policy. ...
Going to try to get into the blogging thing again (ha!) what with an election coming up and all that. So today I thought I'd start small and simple, by merely tackling the world's (second) richest man.I'm no fan of Elon Musk. You don't want to know why, but I'll ...
A chronological listing of news articles posted on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Jan 15, 2023 thru Sat, Jan 21, 2023. Story of the Week State of the climate: How the world warmed in 2022With a new year underway, most of the climate data for ...
Well, that was a disappointment. As of today, the New Zealand Labour Caucus opted for Chris Hipkins as our new Prime Minister, and I cannot help but let loose a cynical cackle. ...
Get ready for a major political reset once Chris Hipkins is sworn in as Prime Minister this week. Labour’s new leader is likely to push the Government to the right economically, and do his best to jettison the damaging perceptions that Labour has become “too woke” on social issues. Overall, ...
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The tools exist to help families with surging costs – and as costs continue to rise it is more urgent than ever that we use them, the Green Party says. ...
The Government is providing a further $1 million to the Mayoral Relief Fund to help communities in Auckland following flooding, Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty announced today. “Cabinet today agreed that, given the severity of the event, a further $1 million contribution be made. Cabinet wishes to be proactive ...
The new Cabinet will be focused on core bread and butter issues like the cost of living, education, health, housing and keeping communities and businesses safe, Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has announced. “We need a greater focus on what’s in front of New Zealanders right now. The new Cabinet line ...
Prime Minister Chris Hipkins will travel to Canberra next week for an in person meeting with Australian Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese. “The trans-Tasman relationship is New Zealand’s closest and most important, and it was crucial to me that my first overseas trip as Prime Minister was to Australia,” Chris Hipkins ...
The Government is providing establishment funding of $100,000 to the Mayoral Relief Fund to help communities in Auckland following flooding, Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty announced. “We moved quickly to make available this funding to support Aucklanders while the full extent of the damage is being assessed,” Kieran McAnulty ...
As the Mayor of Auckland has announced a state of emergency, the Government, through NEMA, is able to step up support for those affected by flooding in Auckland. “I’d urge people to follow the advice of authorities and check Auckland Emergency Management for the latest information. As always, the Government ...
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Carmel Sepuloni, Minister for Social Development and Employment, has activated Enhanced Taskforce Green (ETFG) in response to flooding and damaged caused by Cyclone Hale in the Tairāwhiti region. Up to $500,000 will be made available to employ job seekers to support the clean-up. We are still investigating whether other parts ...
The 2023 General Election will be held on Saturday 14 October 2023, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced today. “Announcing the election date early in the year provides New Zealanders with certainty and has become the practice of this Government and the previous one, and I believe is best practice,” Jacinda ...
Jacinda Ardern has announced she will step down as Prime Minister and Leader of the Labour Party. Her resignation will take effect on the appointment of a new Prime Minister. A caucus vote to elect a new Party Leader will occur in 3 days’ time on Sunday the 22nd of ...
The Government is maintaining its strong trade focus in 2023 with Trade and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor visiting Europe this week to discuss the role of agricultural trade in climate change and food security, WTO reform and New Zealand agricultural innovation. Damien O’Connor will travel tomorrow to Switzerland to attend the ...
The Government has extended its medium-scale classification of Cyclone Hale to the Wairarapa after assessing storm damage to the eastern coastline of the region. “We’re making up to $80,000 available to the East Coast Rural Support Trust to help farmers and growers recover from the significant damage in the region,” ...
The Government is making an initial contribution of $150,000 to the Mayoral Relief Fund to help communities in Tairāwhiti following ex-Tropical Cyclone Hale, Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty announced. “While Cyclone Hale has caused widespread heavy rain, flooding and high winds across many parts of the North Island, Tairāwhiti ...
Rural Communities Minister Damien O’Connor has classified this week’s Cyclone Hale that caused significant flood damage across the Tairāwhiti/Gisborne District as a medium-scale adverse event, unlocking Government support for farmers and growers. “We’re making up to $100,000 available to help coordinate efforts as farmers and growers recover from the heavy ...
New Zealand is ranked second equal with Finland in the latest Corruption Perceptions Index, Denmark is now clearly at the top of the ranking. New Zealand’s score dropped one point to 87 while Denmark improved by 2 points scoring 90. This is only the third ...
Analysis: In juggling his cabinet, the new prime minister said he sought to balance stability with renewal, writes Toby Manhire.There were some massive shifts reflected in the first cabinet of Prime Minister Chris Hipkins announced this afternoon – it’s just we knew about them already. Specifically: Mt Albert MP ...
Auckland Emergency Management has issued an Emergency Mobile Alert (EMA) warning of the potential for further extremely heavy rain to hit the Auckland region tonight. The alert asks Aucklanders to act immediately if they see rising water, due to how quickly flooding can happen. They should evacuate to high ...
Ayesha Verrall will become the minister of health and moves to the front bench, taking the portfolio over from Andrew Little. Kieran McAnulty will join cabinet and take over the local government portfolio. Meanwhile, Little drops seven spots on the list, Phil Twyford is no longer a minister, and the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adam Graycar, Professor of Public Policy, University of Adelaide Just months after Australia legislated to establish the long-anticipated National Anti-Corruption Agency, our standing is back on the rise in Transparency International’s annual Global Corruption Perceptions Index. This is a small but important ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sally Ferguson, Director, Appleton Institute, CQUniversity Australia Shutterstock After a few difficult years of lockdowns and travel restrictions, people are finally winging their way across the globe again; families are being reunited and sights are being seen. Yet the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kim Goodwin, Lecturer, The University of Melbourne Terren Hurst on Unsplash In May, we predicted Tony Burke’s joint portfolio of workplace relations and the arts was an opportunity to address some of the challenges facing the arts and cultural sector. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Danny Kingsley, Visiting Fellow, Australian National Centre for the Public Awareness of Science, Australian National University Shutterstock Unless you’ve spent your summer on a digital detox, you’ve probably heard of ChatGPT: the latest AI chatbot taking the world by storm. ...
The Association of Salaried Medical Specialists welcomes former ASMS member Dr Ayesha Verrall into her new role as Minister of Health. "Dr Verrall brings significant professional experience sharpened by her time in Parliament serving as the Associate ...
Today the Prime Minister announced the appointment of Kieran McAnulty as the new Minister of Local Government. “We welcome Minister McAnulty to the role and call on him to follow the Review into the Future of Local Government’s recommendation ...
The Taxpayer’s Union has welcomed the appointment of a new Minister for Local Government and encouraged Kieran McAnulty to press pause on the Three Waters reforms. Taxpayers’ Union Campaigns Manager, Callum Purves, said: “A new Minister for ...
COMMENTARY:By Gavin Ellis It is unlikely that the Mayor of Auckland, Wayne Brown, took any lessons from the city’s devastating floods but the rest of us — and journalists in particular — could learn a thing or two. Brown’s demeanour will not be improved by a petition calling for ...
RNZ Pacific The headquarters of the Malvatumauri of National Council of Chiefs of Vanuatu has burned down. The fire broke out about 1am Monday local time. Police are investigating the cause of the fire in Port Vila. The Malvatumauri nakamal is a custom parliament for all Vanuatu’s chiefs. “This nakamal ...
Auckland mayor Wayne Brown is under fire for calling New Zealand journalists “drongos”, blaming them for having to cancel a round of tennis with friends on Sunday as the city dealt with the aftermath of record rainfall and flooding that left four dead. It comes after widespread criticism of ...
Things are acutely uncomfortable for Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown right now, but can he recover to save his mayoralty? Less than a month after Wayne Brown was sworn in as Mayor of Auckland, a leading figure in central government was asked privately how the city might handle this unconventional figure ...
The New Zealand Nurses Organisation Tōpūtanga Tapuhi Kaitiaki o Aotearoa (NZNO) welcomes Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall to the Minister of Health role. NZNO Chief Executive Paul Goulter said the organisation and its members are looking forward to working ...
Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has announced Jan Tinetti, Ayesha Verrall, Willie Jackson and Kiri Allan are being shifted up the Labour rankings, with Nanaia Mahuta and Andrew Little dropping down. Watch here. ...
Jamie Wall reviews Invincible by WJ Moloney, which covers Andrew (Son) White’s life and experiences of World War I, rugby and survival.“He saw it, and all the other memorials, was conceived and created for what was lost, by those who survived. Stark and imposing, thoughtfully designed and inscribed with ...
Prime minister Chris Hipkins will travel to Canberra next week to meet with Australian PM Anthony Albanese. “The trans-Tasman relationship is New Zealand’s closest and most important, and it was crucial to me that my first overseas trip as Prime Minister was to Australia,” Chris Hipkins said. The meeting marks ...
A state of emergency has been declared in Northland as the region braces for more rain. Metservice is forecasting up to 140mm of rain across Northland, with some areas in the north and east getting 220mm, peaking at 40mm per hour. The state of emergency is effective as of 1pm ...
Never thought you’d order Uber Eats from the Coffee Club? You might have and not even known it, writes Sam Brooks.I spend a lot of my time scrolling through the Uber Eats app. Only half of the time is it because I’m looking for something to eat. The other ...
Consumers have been warned to prepare for fruit and vegetable shortages as floodwaters in the upper North Island impact food safety. The weekend’s flooding will exacerbate supply issues caused by rainy conditions this summer in much of the country, leading to higher prices nationwide. Anne-Marie Arts of industry group United ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kate Fitz-Gibbon, Director, Monash Gender and Family Violence Prevention Centre; Professor of Social Sciences, Faculty of Arts, Monash University In 2016, the Victorian Royal Commission into Family Violence released its findings following an exhaustive 13-month inquiry. In it were 227 recommendations to ...
In recognition of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the Problem Gambling Foundation will launch a new wānanga series of online videos on Waitangi Day, featuring conversations with Māori influencers about the systemic injustices experienced by Māori including ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Eliza Middleton, Biodiversity Management Officer, University of Sydney Overall winner of the 2018 competition, a Growling Grass Frog (_Litoria raniformis_) by EnviroDNA @enviro_DNA@enviro_DNA, CC BY-NC Almost 2,000 native species are officiallylisted as “threatened” in Australia – but how many have ...
Youthtown is launching [email protected] with two online after school programs aimed at giving kids a safe and supervised environment. Minecraft Monday and Imagination Lab - STEAM Kits are hosted in secure online groups that enable children to get a ...
The more hard surfaces we build, the more stormwater we need to drain. Here’s how we can future-proof our urban design as climate change bites. We’ve built our cities to be vulnerable to – and exacerbate – major weather events such as the one we saw in Auckland on Friday. ...
The soaring cost of living is fuelling an education crisis for New Zealand children living in poverty. To coincide with the start of the new school year, KidsCan is launching its 2023 Back to School campaign with the aim to bring on board 450 new ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Nina Sivertsen, Senior Lecturer (Nursing), Flinders University Getty Images It’s good practice for employers to consult staff when forming policies or guidelines. However, for some staff from diverse backgrounds, this creates extra work and pressure. “Cultural load” in the ...
The New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union has launched a petition calling for schools to have the authority to make their own decisions about emergency closures based on local circumstances rather than be beholden to bureaucrats in Wellington. Taxpayers’ ...
Duncan Greive founded The Spinoff in 2014. Today he has decided to hand the torch to his colleague and friend Amber Easby. He explains why.I swear I thought of it first. Or at least, in parallel. I remember walking up the stairs to work on January 9, and for ...
Today’s launch of Waipuna aa rangi, the formal body set to represent hapū and iwi across Te Tai Tokerau and Tāmaki Makaurau in the Three Waters reforms, has been postponed by the ongoing extreme weather event. “The latest red warning for parts ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clare Collins, Laureate Professor in Nutrition and Dietetics AO, University of Newcastle Pexels/Anna Shvets Ever feel a bit stressed or need a concentration boost? Research suggests one remedy may be right under your nose. Chewing has benefits for brain function, ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Camilla Nelson, EG Whitlam Research Fellow at the Whitlam Institute, and Associate Professor, University of Notre Dame Australia April Fonti/AAP There is much to be excited about in Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus’s draft Family Law Amendment Bill 2023, the first in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michael Naylor, Senior Lecturer, Massey University Getty Images The clean-up from Auckland’s devastating floods last week is just beginning but insurance companies will need to start thinking about what the record-breaking weather event will mean for future coverage. Over ...
A coalition of anti-poverty and welfare advocacy groups has called for urgent government action to support people affected by flooding in Auckland, Coromandel, Bay of Plenty, and Waikato. The Fairer Future group - which called for increases in income support ...
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Hospital waiting lists grow Chris Hipkins is expected to announce his cabinet reshuffle today. There’s been some speculation that Andrew Little may lose the health portfolio to Ayesha Verrall. As Stuff’s Bridie Witton reported, Little said he was happy to stick it out as the health minister. ...
In the December 2022 quarter, 0.4 percent of home transfers were to people who didn’t hold New Zealand citizenship or a resident visa, Stats NZ said today. This compares with 0.4 percent in the December 2021 quarter, and 0.5 percent in the September 2022 ...
New Zealand is well behind the rest of the world when it comes to transferring money between banks. Shane Marsh and James McEniery discovered this when they were living in Singapore and started Aotearoa’s first real time payment mobile wallet. They aim to bring banking in New Zealand into the ...
MetService satellite imaging shows a deepening low moving towards New Zealand. It’s expected to bring more heavy rain to areas already impacted by the record-breaking rainfall on Friday that caused severe flooding in Auckland. Red and orange heavy rain warnings have been issued. Red warnings are issued when rain is ...
Our uniforms are overpriced and so packed with plastics they’ll outlive our great-great-grandchildren, write the student journalists of Balmoral Intermediate. Last year, Balmoral Intermediate’s student-run newspaper Kawepūrongo released a multi-part investigation into their polyester-packed school uniforms. The first instalment, titled “What Really Goes Into Our Uniform?” was initially sparked by ...
The Independent Police Conduct Authority has found that a Police dog handler’s decision to command his dog to restrain two young people while arresting them for attempting to steal a car was a justified, necessary and proportionate response in ...
While the upper North Island braces for more heavy rain, Auckland mayor Wayne Brown remains adamant he’s not resigning as a new text message about “media drongos” sent by Brown comes to light, writes Anna Rawhiti-Connell in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The ...
The Environmental Defence Society says that the National Environmental Standards for Plantation Forestry (NES-PF) are failing to protect the coastal marine environment from the significant adverse effects of sedimentation associated with plantation ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Danny C Price, Senior research fellow, Curtin University Midjourney, Author provided Some 540 million years ago, diverse life forms suddenly began to emerge from the muddy ocean floors of planet Earth. This period is known as the Cambrian Explosion, and ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Hugh Davies, Research Associate, Charles Darwin University The world’s largest wild population of water buffalo now roam Australia. As does the largest wild herd of camels. We have millions of feral goats and deer. For these introduced species, Australia is a paradise. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Juliana Segura-Salazar, Research Fellow, The University of Queensland Planetary Resources We know the world must move to cleaner energy sources to head off the worst effects of climate change, but the technology required for the transition is very mineral-intensive. So ...
Two new polls put Labour under Chris Hipkins suddenly ahead of Chris Luxon’s National. Toby Manhire assesses some strikingly similar numbers. Come on now. The news in New Zealand is meant to yawn gently out of bed in January. A sprinkling of set-pieces, scene setting and sloganeering, that’s all. But ...
Filmed in rural New Zealand during the Covid-19 pandemic, Pearl was one of the biggest critical darlings of 2022. But, as Stewart Sowman-Lund reports, there are still no plans to release it here. It cost New Zealand taxpayers more than$1.5m. It was filmed entirely on our shores. It raked in ...
Carmel Sepuloni's appointment as Deputy Prime Minister has been rightly celebrated, but how will she fare as Chris Hipkins' right-hand woman? She's well-liked in the Labour caucus and seen as a safe pair of hands - but has Carmel Sepuloni got what it takes to be the Deputy Prime Minister? ...
The epic deluge and subsequent flooding across Auckland broke just about every record in the book. Newsroom has pulled the data together to show just how unprecedented this storm was. ...
Guy Somerset is Team Sussex I’m Team Sussex. I came to Harry’s memoir predisposed towards both him and Meghan. I believe them. They seem genuine. A bit flaky perhaps. A bit, yes, woke. But not the criminals they’ve been made out to be. Not the Machiavellian manipulators they’re portrayed as. ...
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Multiple world champion archer Danielle Brown experienced the ultimate highs and lows of sport. Now with the help of two great Kiwi athletes, she's written an award-winning book, Angela Walker reports. Danielle Brown knows what inclusion looks like. It has enabled the archery champion to stand on the sport's highest ...
Dr Eric Crampton argues national and local regulation, including a clause in the Grocery Industry Competition Bill going through Parliament, make it more difficult for other players to enter the supermarket. ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Former deputy prime minister John Anderson is one of the six- member committee launched on Monday to spearhead the “no” case in the Voice referendum. The Voice No Case Committee’s “Recognise a Better Way” campaign ...
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Labour’s new leader Chris Hipkins has brought along a significant poll bump, with Labour now ahead in both the 1News Kantar Public and Newshub Reid Research polls. Both major television networks have released the first polls of Hipkins’ premiership tonight. But while both polls now have Labour ahead, both also predict ...
It’s a big evening for political tragics, with both the major television networks set to reveal a first glance at the popularity of new prime minister Chris Hipkins. TVNZ and Newshub have announced they will both be airing the poll results at 6pm tonight. It’ll show whether or not there ...
Money is changing hands in Israel – those who bet on an election before their 5th vaccine jab have won. Israel is to have its 5th election since 2019.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/06/21/israeli-government-dissolves-parliament-calls-new-elections/
So while Omicron variants 4 and 5 spread the jabbed up (neither being jabbed nor with "natural immunity" prevents infection) there is the risk while going to vote.
The election comes in time to prevent Netanyahu going to court. There is about another year in the USA to go – presumably the GOP primary race would result in a stay of court proceedings for Trump.
Home of the brave..
Their whole country is stuffed.
Mind you, it is unsettled everywhere right now..
Some discussion around what a "Phillips curve model of inflation (with some 'glorified moving average' fudge variables wedged in)" means,
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=49871
I agree with the sentiment of this comment more than the facts as, the NAIRU theory (which Summers is likely applying) fundamentally rejects there being any useable Phillips curve trade off between unemployment and inflation.
This is a shocker interview with Julie Chapman, head Honcho of Kids Can. They are launching an appeal for funds because student poverty has never been worse.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/kerre-woodham-mornings/audio/julie-chapman-kidscan-ceo-as-they-launch-urgent-appeal-to-help-families-with-school-costs/
Quote:
''The principal of Henderson Intermediate, Wendy Esera, has been in education for 44 years and says student poverty is the worst she's seen.''
I know some of this because my aunty was a primary school junior syndicate team leader. She was often buying shoes and clothes for about eight students in her class.
We have all read the headlines you may say!
Yeah, but I'm talking circa 2009. So I'd guess Chapman isn't exaggerating to gain extra funding given the present situation. The interview also talks of teachers ringing Kids Can in tears. Again I can believe that because my aunt burnt out and became ill. She retired before her time.
The problem for me is with a question Kerre asked. Kerre said the government has pumped millions into this problem…where has the money gone? Good question. We know the school lunch scheme can be wasteful. And we know some parents… well, aren't good parents. The common retort is to say most parents are good parents and are honestly struggling and are doing the best they can. I don't doubt that, but I believe the numbers of sub standard parents is being underestimated. That area needs to be tightened up. But that means overhauling WINZ. If National attempt this once they become the government, their bull in a second hand store approach, will make things worse for everyone, including good parents.
Next time you are in the supermarket and you see someone using a turquoise/ blue looking credit card you will know that's a Winz emergency food grant card. I see them on a regular basis. And sometimes the food choices in those trollies are appalling. And worse, one off, very expensive items: eg naan bread or a tray of donuts. These aren't a good choice of food item for a struggling family.
https://www.aaap.org.nz/fix_winz_food_grants. ( open letter to the government)
So the poor are not allowed to have a luxury item now and then after living on baked beans on toast and a bowl of rice for weeks on end?
What a worthless comment. Don't forget it's taxpayer's money. In other countries they would be at the dump scavenging for food. The short answer to be truthful from my perspective is no. Do the people of Ukraine deserve the luxury of peace now and again? Yes, they deserve peace all the time. But in their present situation that cannot happen. Same with our Winz clients. In case you haven't noticed they are in an emergency situation. And, no, I don't have all the answers. All I know is it's people like you who are part of the problem.
Poor people pay tax too, but good to know someone's keeping an eye on how 'the poors' pay at supermarkets – really shows your true worth, and true colours, imho.
If your kete is full, then there's really no decent reason to be 'sharing hesitant.'
Many poor people are not tax payers. If they are only receiving a benefit they are not net tax payers.
Many rich people don't pay Tax either, money hiding in Trusts etc, yet my taxes go to little Sebastion and Eugene's Private School Education.
Beneficiaries pay tax.
https://www.govt.nz/browse/tax-benefits-and-finance/tax/income-you-pay-tax-on/
Think about it. The benefit maybe $500 but they receive $400 in their hand as PAYE deducted. But the total $500 Gross benefit is just given to them funded from actual working tax payers tax paid.
The point is Jimmy, beneficiaries pay tax.
Nothing I haven't alluded too. Any ideas?
So you say.
Malcolm's 2017 analysis appealed to me. NZ is wealthy – redistributing a little more of that wealth would work wonders, imho. For example, I'd happily contribute to the tax on wealth proposed by the Green party – might not be required to contribute that much personally, but it's a decent thing to do.
Too much wealth is concentrated in the hands of a small number of Kiwis, and that's for real.
https://inequality.org/
More ideas on this in the 13 March 2022 comment I linked to @3.1.1.1.
''NZ is wealthy – redistributing a little more of that wealth would work wonders, imho. For example, I'd happily contribute to the tax on wealth proposed by the Green party.''
The way I see it, taxing wealth runs into problems sooner or later. It will stifle innovation and be open to further creeping tax takes in one form or another in the future. The rich will a find a way to continue avoiding a wealth tax meaning more government resources to catch them. Savings may suffer and then the wealthy start looking overseas to move assets and business.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300044327/the-crucial-feature-of-the-greens-wealth-tax-that-would-exempt-most-family-homes
But for me it boils down to an envy tax for wealthy people. Many who have built businesses and wealth up from scratch. I wouldn't have the cheek to tax the fruits of their labour.
That said you may have seen the headlines awhile back where some wealthy individuals said they should be paying more tax. I say good on them. That's what democracy should be about. Not all rich people are rich pricks.
Sooner or later the government always wants more. Even if only temporally.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-denmark-economy-idUSKBN23U1SE
https://inequality.org/research/sad-slide-equal-nation/
''Under this proposal, the total tax on an income of $40,000 would drop from $6,020 to $4,000, and the total tax on a $400,000 income would rise from $122,920 to $206,000.''
Yes, that certainly is one way to see it. But what's the evidence that supports the way you see it? Apart from some “rich pricks” avoiding paying their fair share of tax – that’s a given. [Btw, why do you call them “rich pricks“? Are you suggesting that being rich increases your chances of becoming a prick?]
For example, is envy relevant to Danish innovation? Are Danes queuing to leave home? According to this 31 March 2022 article, NZ is the 10th happiest country, but Denmark is stable in 2nd place.
And the happiest place on spaceship Earth, for the 5th year running? Finland, despite being next door to Russia – who would have thunk it!
Blade having a good supply of food for lunches so no one feels left out is more important than your bean counting solution which stigmatizes those who are hungry .Blade do you suggest that those poor parents all be trained to be better parents.That would require a massive investment of social workers fixing the housing crisis fixing the intergenerational neglect and abuse. Universal benefits require much less bearaucracy to implement. Malnurishment has longterm effects meaning society will pay more in the future from poor education poor health leading to multiple generations of poverty unrealised potentials. Blade you are Morally and emotionally aloof punish the poor for being poor for making poor decisions because of poor education coming from poor families. Logic type thinking is emotional aloofness a type of mental disorder where people don't care about their fellow human beings. Neo liberal economics plays one sector the money hoarders against those who don't have the luck to be born into a non dysfunctional well off lifstyle.Blaming the poor for being poor drag themselves up by their bootstraps when in reality less than 5% of people who are born into poverty break the cycle. Neo Liberal politicians use unemployment to control inflation then blame the unemployed for their predicament ,When the poor are being kept poor to make the economy run under this model!
Hey Blade next time you're at a supermarket judging what the poor can or can't have, do the world a solid favour and pull out your own card and pay for them.
And see if you can do it while keeping your mouth shut.
Hey, Ad. Who was judging? Just stating a fact from my perspective.
I am paying. No need to pull out my card. What have you ever given to charity? Probably like some socialists I know… when it's time for the the hat to go around, they are in the toilet having a dry one.
This is what a judgemental asshole sounds like when commenting on the poor:
And sometimes the food choices in those trollies are appalling. And worse, one off, very expensive items: eg naan bread or a tray of donuts. These aren't a good choice of food item for a struggling family.
Stick your facts up your ass and donate more instead.
If you think that's judgemental, that's how the poor feel with your eyes on them.
Blade, while searching for something to inflame readers of The Standard, settled upon this.
Tomorrow, it'll be something else of a similar nature, with similar intent and effect.
Bad faith player.
Well said, Robert.
True dat. Maybe useful as an occasional reminder of just how deceitful and self-serving a 'player' can be (reminiscent of Dirty Politics) – but every day?!!
Ah, Robert. Of course you would turn up. But with what?
''Blade, while searching for something to inflame readers of The Standard, settled upon this.''
As a matter of fact this problem is about to explode. That's a whole new generation of malcontents in the making. Maybe coming to a street near you.
Now child poverty was a mainstay of Labour's agenda. And they delivered big bucks to try and fix the problem. It hasn't worked. So what the hell is National going to do? And will the problem become any better.
''Tomorrow, it'll be something else of a similar nature, with similar intent and effect.''
What type of wankery is that meant to mean? You are a Letie, yet I see little empathy. This should be your patch of concern. Maybe because it only effects mainly brown kids in some cases.?
Give us some ideas, Robert. I have some. I doubt you have any.
''Tomorrow, it'll be something else of a similar nature, with similar intent and effect.''
"Just stating a fact from my perspective."
Ideas, Robert. Where are your ideas? I don't want deflections.
Well said Robert….I don't read his trash any more.
I'm surprised you read my trash in the first place.
Quite funny – a previously unseen aspect of your personality, Blade!
Geez, you are the biggest waste of space on this site. Yet people admire you. Now that's funny.
The defence will rest. Such anger and angst. Let's just keep the status quo..kapai. We can't criticise the poor…only rich pricks.
I thought this from you, Blade, was priceless!
"Hey, Ad. Who was judging? Just stating a fact from my perspective."
Well and weaselly done!
With regard your reply @ 11:59, I’ll quote you;
“What a worthless comment”
Well and weaselly done!
“What a worthless comment”
Boo hoo, "rich pricks" "can't criticise the poor" – 'priceless'. "Rich pricks" need hobbies, and some get off on kicking people while they're down, imho.
Really? Do link.
Yes. I can give you personal experiences if you want?
Quote:
''The Ka Ora, Ka Ako programme was first rolled out to primary schools with high levels of need in 2019. The funding was expanded to some high schools in 2020 and 2021, at a cost of $220.6 million over two years.''
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125079039/thousands-of-taxpayerfunded-school-lunches-left-uneaten-by-students
Now, I need to ask myself a question: Am I being trolled, or is the ideological castle being challenged by barbarians at the gate. Probably the latter, leading to the former.
Thank you. That's helpful.
Such profound intellectual laziness you have.
You can check out the actual results from the programme here.
Ka Ora Ka Ako | Healthy School Lunches: interim report – Education in New Zealand
There's another evaluation coming out from the expanded programme as well.
Stuff's Act-led foolishness is the reddest of red herrings when the actual policy results are more young people are less hungry and are learning better.
It's not about the success or otherwise of the programme. And Julie Chapman has said it isn't working in many cases…. It's about the waste. Waste means a waste of taxpayers money and faults somewhere in the delivery of the programme.
Yeah, it's about the waste!
A sheep farm in Arabia, anyone? Or a flag referendum?
….or many tens of billions on roads. That is the real scandal about National.
Talk about dinosaurs.
What about waste?
The same accusations at the time were hurled at the flag referendum.
''https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/272446/flag-referendum-'waste-of-money''
You shot yourself in the arse, Tony. Only a Lefty can do that.
Yes it really is about the success of the programme.
Everything else is just media hype that fools like you buy into.
Every policy to the poor has waste, what matters isn't the waste.
It's how you help people.
And this programme is helping people by the hundred thousand.
Yeah , and if we cut the waste, a whole lot more poor folk can be helped. And once again, I remind you – ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS MONEY TO WASTE..IT'S OURS.
No it's not.
"Taxpayers don't own their taxes"
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2021/01/analysis-government-funds-are-not-taxpayer-money-media-and-politicians-should-stop-confusing-the-two.html
semantics
noun
The fact is the people own the government…at least they should.
Utter BS again, we don’t “own the government” and neither “should” we. It’s clear why you must rely on TB talking points to form your ‘opinions’ because you have not the slightest clue of how things are in the real world, let alone how they should be. You live in a TB fantasy world in which the Wizard is called Mikey.
Depends on how you see your government. I see it like these guys.
https://www.quora.com/Who-owns-the-government
Funny how a Leftie doesn't see it that way. But you guys do have some strange ideas.
Yup, doesn’t surprise me that a TB junkie uses Quora for ‘info’.
In your own words, if you can, which of the answers in Quora best describes the way you ‘see it’? I’m sure you have a favourite.
See my original statement then take your pick of comments.
You diss sites and information and talkback you don't like at your peril.
Nope, you’re wrong, I don’t diss the sites and TB, I diss the lazy unthinking army of braindead zombies who rely on them for their cognitive existence and I diss the maleficent malcontents who use the talking points and propaganda from those sites and TB for nefarious agendas and interests. Put it all on the table and let the sunshine in, is my motto.
You’re troll-like by refusing to point to an answer that reflects or represents the way you ‘see it’. So, you were just wasting my time with your link to Quora. Yup, definitely troll-like behaviour.
BTW, your concern about my peril is quite endearing but I can assure I’m fine.
Its a lot more fundamental than semantics. If the government is dependent on tax payers to provide the money then it would clearly be impossible to change currencies. Countries relatively recently have retired entire currencies and replaced them with new ones (for various reasons).
Consider the situation in France in 1999. At this time France has decided to adopt the Euro and replace the Franc. In your conception the government is a bit stuffed because nobody outside the government has any Euro in France. That's going to be a problem because you can't collect Euro from people who got none making adopting the Euro problematic.
Once we realize its government money however the way this works is simple to understand. The government will spend Euro, Tax in Euro and issue exchanges for Franc as the public wants. In fact this is what was implemented across multiple European countries at the same time.
Those lunches look unappealing, even if they have nutritional value.
It may be worth looking at successful lunch programmes to see what can be learnt. Universal lunch provision may also reduce social stigma.
French school dinners: https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/this-is-how-french-school-lunches-are-different/
Another article with some of the downsides:
https://karenlebillon.com/french-school-lunch-menus/
Great article, Molly. Something new has to be tried.
No, there are no signs of stigma just because not all schoolchildren don't get them.
No, the policy design isn't the same as for the French and neither is the menu.
Healthy school lunch programme pays off | PPTA
I understand that, Ad. And have downloaded the report from the link you've posted to read on another device. I did have a look at the summary though, and the measurement criteria.
I was posting the links because the French school lunch intention, implementation and experience seems to have a wider perspective that may be valuable to consider (from the 2nd link):
And, actually, in practice, sometimes they both look unappealing and are poor nutrition.
A friend who is a teacher at one of the schools with the free lunch programme, has been posting photos.
They hit a new low last week: 1 stale white bread bun, with a slice of processed cheese and a smear of jam (yes in the same bun). That was it.
The kids didn't eat it (not surprisingly, I wouldn't have).
The teachers did an emergency trip to the supermarket, and came back with bread, and peanut butter. So the kids had something in their tummies for the rest of the day.
There was a very nice brochure sent out to parents, describing (with pictures) what will be provided. However, the quality has been on a significant downwards spiral. And the quality checks that the Ministry are supposed to carry out — have been completely absent.
Look, I know (believe me, I know), feeding kids is tricky. One week they're all over tomato and cheese sandwiches, the next they turn their noses up at exactly the same thing.
But, providing a basic wholemeal bread sandwich with a decent filling, isn't rocket science – and doesn't need to cost the earth. Mandarins are cheap at this time of year, as are kiwifruit. One in each lunchbox is a quick and easy way to get some vitamins (especially Vitamin C at this time of year) into the kids.
I get the feeling that some of the contractors are making a healthy profit, and the kids aren't getting a healthy meal.
From your own link Blade
"Schools either gave spare lunches to kids to take home or sent them to local foodbanks, so the programme wasn’t wasteful"
Initially It was. That's the problem. And if you believe all schools give unwanted spare lunches away you are dreaming. We are talking double handling and poor focusing on individual school needs.
Your opinion is incorrect Blade. Another example from your link "Crawford and Walters send surplus lunches to community centres, where any member of the public can pick them up that afternoon"
Some supermarkets do self police what comes to the check out. I know a loved one always made sure she was buying essentials when she was given food grants. She made sure she bought items she couldn't normally cover in her benefit such as kitchen spray cleaning or vitamins anything too expensive to fit in her normal supermarket shop. Granted she thought the checkout tellers were "nazis" but accepted it.
Yes, I have noticed policing of food grants is different depending on the supermarket. My local supermarket caters to the low earner /beanie demographic. They can buy whatever they want. However, that may be because the people that frequent my local aren't the type you say no to. The bash is always a possibility. So maybe they just take the path of least resistance. I don't know. However, if all supermarkets are meant to be limiting what a food grant can purchase, I believe that needs to be enforced.
And maybe do away with benefit payments altogether, and have a central hub that pays for everything? A bureaucratic nightmare at present to implemented for sure. But if you consider we are close to becoming a cashless society, it would be an easy step in future.
BTW – was your loved one using the old paper food grant transaction, or did they have the much easier card system? The old system could hold a line of shoppers up for ages while everything was checked.
For pete's sakes, do you hear yourself Blade?
Yes, I'm hearing myself. But I'm hearing nothing from you.
Then you appear to have no self awareness. Obviously you are hearing something from me Blade, or else you wouldn't be replying. One wonders if you spend your time skulking around supermarket checkouts. It's clear that what you want to do is police what beneficiaries receive and what they spend their money on, because you are under the delusion that beneficiaries are spending your money. Well, it's not your money and what people spend their money on is none of your business.
Yes, it's my money…taxpayers money. I have a right to stick my nose in. Stop playing your silly games. This WAS a socialist paradise. But not anymore.
''One wonders if you spend your time skulking around supermarket checkouts.''
''It's called situational awareness. And no, I don't skulk around supermarkets. I have better things to do. That you haven't noticed what I notice means you are half asleep…as your comments show.''
No, it is not your money Blade, as I have already explained to you in another post. Obviously you don't have better things to do and you have no right to stick your nose into someone else's business.
So is an independent judiciary and juries. So is having a general election every three years. So is having a free press. Your point?
Well, let's use an example:
A garage mechanic is spilling 150mls of oil every time he does an oil change. That's a lot of oil depending on how many cars he services in a working week. That's money down the drain that could be used for other garage essentials or expenses.
Solution: sack the mechanic if he's at fault. However, if he's spilling oil because of the way the garage is configured, or because he has to follow guidelines on how the oil change must be done, then those hinderances must be removed or altered to streamline the operation, stop wastage and save money.
Except that public social services are nothing like small private businesses and it would be supremely ridiculous to compare the two.
No it wouldn't. Household budgets and efficiencies apply in principle across the board. Sort it out…not by increasing bureaucrats. But by holding them responsible for the jobs they do.
Since you seem so concerned with food waste:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste_in_New_Zealand
https://www.wasteminz.org.nz/about/sector-groups/behaviour-change/national-food-waste-prevention-project/
https://environment.govt.nz/what-government-is-doing/areas-of-work/waste/reducing-food-waste/
https://www.mpi.govt.nz/food-business/running-a-food-business/reducing-food-waste-tips-for-businesses/
Wag your finger at those spoiled little brats at school who won’t eat their provided lunches, courtesy of the Taxpayer. Perhaps they should learn how precious food is and the resources that go into producing and transporting it and perhaps they should learn to minimise and manage waste; don’t they teach them anything useful at school nowadays??
I agree with the your last paragraph. The little brats haven't time to be taught how precious food is because climate change, Maori culture and other environmental issues are being taught.
Therefore, let's check where the money is going from government, and the criteria to distribution of free food lunches in school. Then cut out or cut back on schools wasting kai ( maybe make kids a accountable). For example my nephew attends what would be a decile 8 school. He forgoes his substantial breakfast and lunch available from his home in favour of a three course meal at school. These schools should be cut from the free food programme for starters.
"The little brats haven't time to be taught how precious food is because…"
Shouldn't your "little brats" be taught "how precious food is" at home, by their parent/s/care-givers?
I imagined you to be the "personal responsibility" kind.
Aren't you a 3 "R"s Brash-o-phile?
What did your little brats learn.. slicing mung beans to make a meal go further.
Was that your second attempt at humour?
Please use the "humour" tag.
Makes it easier to tell.
Since when does central government provide 3-course meals to decile 8 or any decile schools?
Sounds like you’re making up shit again.
Of course, kids are too busy during their lunch breaks with learning about CC, Māori culture, and other environmental issues to focus time on food. These kids have such limited attention span, can only focus on one thing at a time, that they use talkback as their main source of ‘information’ later in life.
You obviously haven’t raised any children yourself because you’d know that home-packed lunches (not so much the snacks, funnily enough) often come back home unfinished and sometimes even untouched. That’s what afternoon tea and fridges are for, brilliant inventions!
Let the waste minimisation and management start at home, continue at school, and last a lifetime. A bit like learning, really. You didn’t click on any of the links, clearly.
Um, no, they literally don't. A government budget is nothing at all like a household budget. That's a ridiculous assertion. Governments can create legal fiat currency backed by natural resources and labour, and it can license banks to create credit, which does the same thing. Countries have been doing this for centuries – households can't. And unlike a business a state can't just fire non-productive units – well, they can, but that would be a crime against humanity.
Furthermore bureaucrats perform actual functions and are too busy to also have to put up with the kind of performance assessments you are suggesting, because that would give them even less time to do their jobs, making them even less efficient.
This from Google.
''Are government and household budgets the same?
But the spending goals of governments and households are simply not the same. The purpose of a government budget is to help the entire economy, whereas a household budget is mainly concerned with its own financial situation.''
You are quite correct with some of your assertions. However, both government and households have the following in common:
How is the government similar to households?
Much like households, governments have regular income and expenditures. They both take on outside debt and if their debts get too high, they can get into trouble. But unlike households, governments can, and do, print money. Governments also have the power to change their income levels by raising taxes.
I wrote:
'' Household budgets and efficiencies apply in principle across the board.''
For example, apart from the obvious similarities, households can act in a limited way like a government.
''Governments also have the power to change their income levels.''
So do households if you think about it. Take on boarders for example.
Of course there are differences like tax take and printing money.
Of late I have come to consider that government finances are indeed more like a households than not, despite the constant refrain that they are not (methinks they protest too much)….while governments may have the ability to theoretically 'print' money while households do not, the consequences of abusing this are the same as for a household that overindulges on credit….perhaps the real difference between households and governments is not so much in the field of finance but rather in the ability to enforce its will….. so long as it can.
Depends on how you see your government. I see it like these guys.
https://www.quora.com/Who-owns-the-government
Funny how a Leftie doesn't see it that way. But you guys do have some strange ideas.
Whoops,wrong reply pat. Try this one:
''Perhaps the real difference between households and governments is not so much in the field of finance but rather in the ability to enforce its will….. so long as it can.''
Very true.
You're diversion trolling. The healthy school lunches programme is nothing like running an SME, they're completely different in scope, intent, and implementation. Private households are a different thing yet again.
Blade: while you're here: you’ve sparked my interest with what you wrote earlier about your organic farm and your use of rock-dust, seawater, lawn-clippings and biochar for making your 10 acres fertile. It’s your biochar that I’d like to ask you about, if I may.
Where do you get it from? How much do you need for your 10 acres and how do you apply it? I’ve read about the value of biochar and some of the historical uses. You mentioned “activating” your biochar before applying it; how do you do that? It all sounds innovative and exciting!
'I'm sorry, Robert. I gave you my best before; wasted my precious time on you. And my reward was you shat on me. I like to think I learn from my mistakes. It’s a pity because I have a real passion for this stuff and I like helping those out who have a similar passion.
I see you're posting with a swollen "E", Blade.
Sad that you can't bring yourself to share your intimate knowledge of those subtle organic practices you employ. Who knows what else you get up to on the farm that would be of interest to other gardeners and farmers here on The Standard. Your use of vortex technology for potentising water for your crops sounded fascinating! Oh, that we could hear more about that! And deploying rock dust as a long-term, slow-release fertiliser – how forward-thinking that sounds! Then topping-up your nutrient applications with sea-water! Wowsers!
Our loss, I suppose. No-one would have expressed their incredulity, had they know you'd take such offence to being tested that way.
Hei aha (I slipped that in because of your Maori heritage).
Redlogix seems to be a man of knowledge around these things. He may be able to help you.
Cheers, Blad.
"Sort it out…not by increasing bureaucrats. But by holding them responsible for the jobs they do."
Please refrain from making sensible comments like this on here. Now go wash your mouth out………they must not be held to account. It is not the Labour way.
"Kerre said the government has pumped millions into this problem…where has the money gone?"
Clearly not into anything that actually achieves results. But then this government has form for 'pumping' money into problems and getting little in the way of results.
Kerre said very little and was clearly fishing. Fortunately, her guest, Julie Chapman of KidsCan was very professional and didn’t take the obvious bait and she made a few good points. It was actually not too bad an interview.
As for results, well, don’t let a few facts get in the way of Blade’s and your narrative:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-delivering-improvements-children%E2%80%99s-lives
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-lifts-66500-children-out-poverty
Press releases from the PM?
"The principal of Henderson Intermediate, Wendy Esera, has been in education for 44 years and says student poverty is the worst she's seen."
I doubt the PM would know student poverty if it bit her on the arse.
In fact, she cites exactly that as the reason she came to politics:
https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/celebrity/celeb-news/jacinda-arderns-country-childhood-2894
True, maybe I was a bit harsh. Maybe she does care. That doesn't change what people on the ground (like Wendy Esera) are observing.
Press releases by Government, to be more precise. You know, that lot that has the big picture.
I also listened to the podcast and heard what Julie Chapman said. Funnily enough, she did acknowledge the Government report. You may have missed it, in your rush.
Sure, press releases from government.
I agree with your comment that it was not a bad interview. But people like Wendy Esera are clearly seeing a different picture than is being presented by the governments spin.
Unlike some I don’t see it as “different” and as a binary; both views are valid and they’re complementary; they’re literally different PoVs. Julie Chapman also agreed with Esera’s comments. This is not just semantics and I genuinely believe that Esera, Chapman, the PM and many (?) in Government would agree on most things and could come to a very good understanding amongst themselves because they have very similar goals, i.e., common ground. Kerre was the odd one out or tried to play the Devil’s advocate, but she was not convincing.
Edit: big picture, small picture.
Not true to suggest nothing has been done Gypsy, for example, "More than 380,000 primary mental wellbeing sessions have been delivered and more than 900 additional FTEs are working to support mental wellbeing in the community"
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/next-steps-specialist-mental-health-and-addiction-services
From the article:
"A review has found no change in access to specialist mental health services in five years despite the Government's $1.9 billion cash injection in 2019. The review has also found that one-in-five people in New Zealand are not followed up after discharge from acute inpatient mental health units."
"… that just five new places for acute mental health patients had been added since 2019…"
"…it also highlighted a lack of accountability over the package, with different agencies focussing on their area, without a cohesive overarching plan to work together."
"More than 380,000 primary mental wellbeing sessions have been delivered and more than 900 additional FTEs" is significant and are facts Gypsy, the claim that nothing has been done is false, also the $1.9b allocation is for four years, and it’s only two years in.
"Matt Doocey and the National Party have a lot to answer for because of their nine years of neglect to the mental health system."
Little said the money is being spent and it is making a difference.
"Of the $1.9 billion, about $800 million of it went to a variety of other Government departments – Corrections, Education, and the Ministry of Social Development to do a range of mental health things for their area.
"For the Ministry of Health, the $1.1 billion they've got, over a four year period nearly half a billion dollars is going into what we call the Access and Choice program. Two years into that program we've added 850 full-time equivalent roles or people to the frontline of mental health.
"It is simply not correct for people like Matt Doocey and others to say the money is going nowhere. It is going all over the place and it is making a difference."
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/andrew-little-defends-government-after-report-finds-no-change-in-access-to-acute-mental-health-services-despite-1-9-billion-boost.html
I'm not sure who claimed 'nothing has been done'. In mental health, as in other areas, this government seems quite adept at spending a lot of money but getting little in the way of results.
If you don't accept what I'm saying, perhaps you'll take the word of Andrew Little himself:
"Health Minister Andrew Little has admitted the Ministry of Health "has struggled to achieve as much as we would have liked them to" on mental health after a review highlighted lack of accountability."
"Health Minister Andrew Little says he is "extraordinarily" frustrated at the slow pace of the Government's $1.9 billion mental health package announced in 2019."
As usual, your comments are so misleading that they border on being disingenuous.
Allocating government funds ≠ spending government funds
"In mental health, as in other areas, this government seems quite adept at allocating and/or spending a lot of money but getting little in the way of results."
Happy now?
Which is not true Gypsy.
Yep, it as. As demonstrated in this example by their own Minister's frustration.
No it's not, as I have shown in my responses to you.
Why did it take 2 years to spend 0.2% of the allocation?
Happy now??
Why would I be? Because you stop your misleading comments and become an honest debater who acts in good faith and whose comments I can trust?
Your comment is just another pathetic attempt at painting the Government in a bad light; it’s essentially meaningless, but good for a negative vibe, which is the gist of almost all your comments here.
"Your comment is just another pathetic attempt at painting the Government in a bad light; it’s essentially meaningless, but good for a negative vibe, which is the gist of almost all your comments here."
I'm not sure why you find this surprising, the current government has been particularly woeful over the last 12 months.
I find it surprising that so many of the commenters continue to be so supportive of the current lot despite their poor performance.
Really? Where did I say that I find it surprising that Gypsy is doing his usual BS?
You find it surprising because you conflate anti-government propaganda and robust criticism of government. You also conflate commenters who don’t swallow the usual BS from RWs with devoted supporters of government who dare not speak poorly of said government.
No wonder that some deluded dimwits say that it is “tribal”, FFS; it is truly an idiotic argument.
Pointing out that the government spent 0.2% of an allocation in 2 years may be 'meaningless' to you, but it is a pattern of wasteful and/or ineffective spending by this government.
You didn’t point out any such thing in your comment @ 3:24 pm. It was another broad-brush pathetic swipe at Government without any substance or content matter. It was bumper sticker BS: cheap, lazy, sticky, and unseemly.
Allocating ≠ spending
You’re clutching at straws; the money will be spent, in due course, or it will be re-allocated, as and when required by the circumstances. That’s what prudent governments do.
"the money will be spent, in due course"
The government has spent 0.2% of the total allocation in 2 years.
Andrew Little said he was ""extraordinarily" frustrated that despite making commitments and setting aside funding they seemed to be a "long way behind actually getting a shovel in the ground".
and
"I am still trying to understand why. I am not expecting facilities to be completed or fully staffed but we seem to be a long way behind actually getting a shovel in the ground."
And then:
"Newshub also reported on Monday the lack of spending had seen just five extra acute mental health beds been added, with patients forced to sleep on mattresses on the floor because there were no mental health beds left. Little said this situation was "not acceptable".
Despite your impressive copy & pasta and formatting skills your reply lacks substance or an argument that can be responded to.
Fail
" broad-brush pathetic swipe at Government without any substance or content matter. "
You didn't link to my comment, but I assume you mean my accusations of wasteful/ineffective spending. There are plenty of examples:
Government pays up to $600k for prime Auckland office space to lie empty | Stuff.co.nz
Billion-dollar Transmission Gully opening ceremony cost $337,000 | Stuff.co.nz
Revealed: Kāinga Ora spent over $24m of taxpayer money in four years on its own office renovations | Newshub
Ministry of Social Development Zoom job expos: Taxpayers fork out more than $800,000, only 126 people attend – NZ Herald
The 'ridiculous' amount Waka Kotahi spent on two big red prop 'zeros' – NZ Herald
Government blames COVID-19 for 46 percent increase in communications staff | Newshub
I didn’t link to your comment because I replied to it, as you can see from the nesting and from the start of my reply, which was the end of your comment to which I replied, i.e., Happy now?
Too hard for you to connect the dots?
Yours was this one (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895979) @ 3:24 pm, and as you can see, it was so generalised that it would just about cover any accusation one could aim at Government, which was entirely your intention, of course.
And here you’ve taken the opportunity again, as usual, to list your litany of anti-government headlines and other dirt that you could throw at them. No commentary, no explanation, no argument, just scrolls of negativity, which you call “examples”. Your pointless point scoring is tedious and doesn’t add anything of value nor does it contribute to discussion.
Fail
"So, stop playing games here."
You're the one playing games. Small minded games, that avoid answering the real question of why 0.2% of the allocation has been spent and no more.
Why the fuck should I have to answer your questions about that spending? It started with your misleading and disingenuous comment @ 3.6.2.1.1.1 (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895969), remember?
You’d expect to see results from 0.2% spent since it had been allocated and then whinge & moan that it is “wasteful and/or ineffective spending by this government” because there are not as many results yet as you’d wish while there still is 99.8% to be spent, obviously. As Louis has already pointed out repeatedly, there are results and things are happening in this space. But as usual, you ignore, deny, and obfuscate, because it doesn’t suit your anti-government narrative.
So, now you move the goalposts from poor/wasteful spending to ‘why has it not been spent yet’. Clutching at straws to get your hit.
The real question is why you’re such a disingenuous commenter here who’s playing games all the fucking time.
"Why the fuck should I have to answer your questions about that spending?"
Because that would show you have honest intent, rather than coming in and trying to shut down the discussion.
"It started with your misleading and disingenuous comment @ 3.6.2.1.1.1 (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895969), remember?"
That comment is neither misleading or disingenuous.
"You’d expect to see results from 0.2% spent since it had been allocated and then whinge & moan…"
I'd expect to see results, because I'd expect to see more than 0.2% spent in 2 years. And the Minister agrees with me.
Nice try, but no, I’m not trying to shut down discussion but rather the opposite, I’m trying to keep it honest and in good faith. You’re playing games here and not engaging in good faith, which is why you and I butt heads and why I’m trying you steer you back on track or I will (no try) shut down your playing games.
Yes, your comment @ 3.6.2.1.1.1 (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895969) was misleading and disingenuous, as we have already established, and you agreed with my assessment because you corrected your comment @ 3:24 pm (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895979) signing off with Happy now?
We all expect results and I believe most if not all of us are underwhelmed by and disappointed with the little progress so far, and that indeed includes the Minister although you worded that really poorly. More money will be spent (cf. mental health allocations in Budget-2022; I’ll spare you the Government press releases because you seem to have developed such an aversion to them) and more results are coming, with time.
"No commentary, no explanation, no argument"
I gave all the commentary that was needed.
"You didn't link to my comment, but I assume you mean my accusations of wasteful/ineffective spending. There are plenty of examples:"
No doubt it's hard for you to swallow.
What you did @ 5:29 pm (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1896020) is known as link-spamming, which is warned against in this site’s Policy. It’s often used by trolls and others who don’t want to engage or are too lazy to put their own arguments in writing. Here, it can be a reason for banning. But you already know this.
My swallow reflex has nothing to do with your inability to follow the flow of comments here. It’s a sad diversion attempt on your behalf.
It’s funny how your wrong assumption gave you the self-invitation to go off on another rant-list of headlines pretending this is the ‘discussion’ I’m trying to shut down.
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There you go again. Why would Kerre say “Kerre said”? I didn't quote Kerre, I quoted Blade. Hence the italics.
And Blade quoted/paraphrased Kerre, so you indirectly quoted/paraphrased Kerre, or are you simply quoting Blade now for his opinions only, which he gets from TB, BTW? Stop playing games here.
I didn't quote Kerre, I quoted Blade, and only to point to the part of his comment I was responding to. So chill.
Yeah, you quoted Blade who quoted Kerre, we agree on this, and you agreed with Blade and Kerre’s opinion. You happened to point to the part of Blade’s comment where he quoted Kerre. And you copied & pasted it too @ 3.6; the italics are irrelevant. So, stop playing games here.
"you diverted the convo to KB,"
Yep. Because it was directly relevant to Louis 'let's hold our breath' argument.
"is known as link-spamming"
Really? Ok, I'll do one at a time.
Do you think it's a good idea to spend "up to $600,000 in rent for an empty high-end waterfront commercial office meant to house the project headquarters for the cancelled bike bridge over the Waitematā Harbour."? And that for a lease that began "three weeks before the Government scrapped the proposed $785 million Northern Pathway project in October.'?
Now what category would you put that into? Wasteful? Ineffective? Good grief it's probably both.
And then to top it off, Sam Stubbs gave the 2020 'Wastie' award to the $51m spent on 'consultants' for the same project.
He wrote this:
"But the ridiculousness (and ugliness) of a separate cycle bridge over Auckland Harbour was obvious the day it was announced. Even the most flattering illustration couldn’t make it look like anything more than a hurried afterthought. A Newshub poll showed over 80 per cent of the public opposed the idea. But the bureaucrats in charge thought they knew better, which is presumably why they bought five houses in Northcote Point in preparation for its construction."
They bought 5 houses FFS!
Defend that.
You created a diversion away from the topic of discussion to a different one that has undergone a reset.
All commenters are expected to have read, understood and abide by this site’s Policy; it’s at the top of each and every OM:
You’re creating another diversion here. Why don’t you stick to the topic and when you’ve run out of arguments you just go to bed.
I don’t need to defend any of your strawmen. You need to stay on course.
"You’re creating another diversion here."
Nope. The topic has been on government spending money and not getting results, or wasteful/ineffective spending. You've spent a hell of a lot of time engaging in a diversion if you think it is one.
"I don’t need to defend any of your strawmen."
Ha! You need to look up the definition of straw man. Or maybe try to engage in good faith by trying to explain how the government you're defending could spend $600k on office space, $51m on consultants and buy 5 houses for a project it canned!
That’s correct and you linked it to mental health spending and Louis responded to that @ 3.6.2. You went along nicely until you suddenly and out of the blue decided to divert away to KB in the middle of the tread on mental health spending. In fact, you made a whole song & dance musical over the 0.2% spent so far.
I don’t need to defend your strawmen nor engage with them. It is part of your diversion strategy, a gish gallop of gaslighting gripes.
"Exactly, “was”, past tense and before the Great Reset."
Are you suggesting Kiwibuild is no longer about Home Ownership?
See link from Louis to Megan Woods piece. We have been over this and you’re still not getting it? It begs the question why not?
"You went along nicely until you suddenly and out of the blue decided to divert away to KB in the middle of the tread on mental health spending."
The KB comment was entirely relevant. It went to the heart of the comment Louis made about the mental health plan being a 4 year spend. I likened that comment to KB being a 10 year plan to build 100,000 homes. It’s not an unreasonable comparison.
Nope, KB and mental health spending have nothing in common other than being Government initiatives. This doesn’t excuse your diversions whenever you choose to and/or whenever it suits you; it’s a whateboutery variant. One plan is in progress, the other is still in progress after a major reset. Both are delivering results.
"See link from Louis to Megan Woods piece. "
Are you suggesting Kiwibuild is no longer about home ownership. It's a simple question.
And you already know the answer.
"Nope, KB and mental health spending have nothing in common other than being Government initiatives. "
In the context of Louis' comment, the thing they have in common is government failure. The spending of only 0.2% of an allocation when we have a mental health crisis is very similar to only building 1362 out of 100,000 houses promised when we have a housing crisis.
That has already been countered too and you’re simply parroting your own headlines again: Government failure and crises – just negative narratives from you. The only ‘similarities’ are your enormous umbrella of negativity and antipathy towards the current Government. Things are in progress, things are happening, results are being and will be delivered. No failure but developments with adjustments and recalibration along the way – that’s life. Tough for you to swallow, I realise.
"And you already know the answer."
Yep.
"KiwiBuild is enabling more home ownership opportunities for New Zealanders."
KiwiBuild works in two key ways:
KiwiBuild is here to enable and complement the private residential housing sector, not compete with it.
Why did you have to ask then?? Still playing games?
"No failure but developments with adjustments and recalibration along the way – that’s life."
Good spin.
The 'adjustments and recalibrations' began years before Labour won the 2017 election, and just over a year after being elected Labour the great reset began. ("What soon becomes known as the KiwiBuild "reset" goes on and on through early 2019.")
Labour were given plenty of warnings about aspects of Kiwibuild but they pressed on out of a combination of hubris and political expediency.
And the result? By June 2022 they said they would have built 28,000 homes. They have built 1365.
And you don't think that's failure?
"I'm not sure why you find this surprising, the current government has been particularly woeful over the last 12 months.
I find it surprising that so many of the commenters continue to be so supportive of the current lot despite their poor performance."
It's tribal, and typical of the residual hard core in both major political parties.
Quoting Blade's like going to sea in a boat made from candy-floss.
Kerre's opinion is not fact and so if you accept an acknowledgement by the minister at being frustrated at the pace, why cant you accept the following quote
"Matt Doocey and the National Party have a lot to answer for because of their nine years of neglect to the mental health system."
Little said the money is being spent and it is making a difference.
"Of the $1.9 billion, about $800 million of it went to a variety of other Government departments – Corrections, Education, and the Ministry of Social Development to do a range of mental health things for their area.
"For the Ministry of Health, the $1.1 billion they've got, over a four year period nearly half a billion dollars is going into what we call the Access and Choice program. Two years into that program we've added 850 full-time equivalent roles or people to the frontline of mental health.
"It is simply not correct for people like Matt Doocey and others to say the money is going nowhere. It is going all over the place and it is making a difference." (See 3.6.2.1.1 for the link).
An interesting note: 5700 medical workers, drs and nurses were brought into the country when the border was closed.
https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=226213
"Kerre's opinion is not fact…"
Irrelevant. I haven't put forward Kerre's opinion as fact. I haven’t put Kerre’s opinion forward to justify anything I have said.
"Little said the money is being spent and it is making a difference."
Why was only 0.2% of the money spent in 2 years?
If you thought Kerre's opinion was "irrelevant" why then did you link to Kerre's opinion in another one of your posts?
It's a 4 yr plan Gypsy.
I didn't link to Kerre's opinion. I linked to, and quoted directly, a comment by Wendy Esera.
"It's a 4 yr plan Gypsy."
You mean like Kiwibuild was a 10 year plan?
There you go again, @ 3.6 (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895759) you quoted Kerre directly and you used it as your usual stepping stone to promote your anti-government agenda.
See Incognito's response to you and yes, KB was a 10 yr plan, there's been a reset and the govt have, so far, also built thousands of state and transitional housing as well, with more currently under construction.
"we have added over 9,000 warm, dry public homes to the stock – with over 7,400 of them being brand new builds. We have also supported the addition of more than 3,500 transitional homes (a mix of government and community housing provider-led builds)"
https://thespinoff.co.nz/opinion/01-06-2022/megan-woods-kiwibuild-is-alive-and-well
"KB was a 10 yr plan, there's been a reset and the govt have, so far, also built thousands of state and transitional housing as well, with more currently under construction."
The 'reset' was the result of the failure of the scheme. The state houses built are not kiwibuild.
No, you're wrong Gypsy, any housing built after the National govt left an unprecedented housing crisis I would consider a success.
Did you miss this on purpose?
https://thespinoff.co.nz/opinion/01-06-2022/megan-woods-kiwibuild-is-alive-and-well
"No, you're wrong Gypsy,"
From your own source:
"So far 1,365 New Zealand families are in KiwiBuild homes, and another 856 are currently under construction."
That was June 2022. The original scheme was to build 100,000 in 10 years. The scheme might be alive, but it's on life support.
And then there's this:
"So, how many Government Ministers does it take to build 1000 KiwiBuild Houses?
3
1 to say it won’t be done
1 to say it will be done
1 to say ‘I’m not sure we ever said it would be done‘"
@ 4:16 pm (https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-21-06-2022/#comment-1895996) you diverted the convo to KB, an all-time favourite for RWs who are still stuck in the past before the Great Reset.
Instead of acknowledging the modest but undeniable progress to date you post silly slants from three and half years ago again demonstrating that you’re not commenting here in good faith.
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That pathetic joke shows you're struggling Gypsy. It hasn't been 10 years yet and there has been a reset.
But why ignore the following Gypsy? it's part of this govt's massive building plan that includes Kiwibuild.
"we have added over 9,000 warm, dry public homes to the stock – with over 7,400 of them being brand new builds. We have also supported the addition of more than 3,500 transitional homes (a mix of government and community housing provider-led builds)"
Also
https://kaingaora.govt.nz/developments-and-programmes/what-were-building/large-scale-projects/
"it's part of this govt's massive building plan that includes Kiwibuild."
Kiwibuild was not about social/state housing. Kiwibuild was about home ownership. So far they've built 1365 out of 100,000.
Exactly, “was”, past tense and before the Great Reset.
How long are you going to keep your in head in the sand and ignore that the world has moved on and that things have changed? As long as it suits your narrative?
State + transitional + kiwibuild = Govt's massive building program, the largest in decades.
Remember National sold off state housing during a housing crisis and overall left a housing shortage of 71,000
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/mbie-figures-show-nationwide-housing-shortage-of-71000/55NUUYNFWZA3OJTTDCHF7W3T4I/
May of this year: "Stats NZ said never before had New Zealand exceeded 50,000 consents issued in a year – and most consents result in new buildings"
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new-housing-consents-issued-smash-records-as-we-go-over-50000-for-the-first-time/XCOZYPW3GLDFUAG6KLB3ZV224A/#:~:text=Four%20regions%20had%20record%20numbers,2506%2C%20up%2034%20per%20cent.
New Zealand’s housing supply shortage is finally being addressed with a huge residential building boom
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/127201554/could-we-be-building-too-many-houses
"State + transitional + kiwibuild = Govt's massive building program, the largest in decades."
Yes + kiwibuild. Which is about home ownership.
Too massive for you to fully comprehend or just unwilling to accept a different truth?
Kiwibuild is PART of the govt's housing building program Gypsy.
The massive building program is not just about state and transitional housing, it is also about home ownership.
"Kiwibuild is PART of the govt's housing building program Gypsy."
The government promised to build 100,000 houses over 10 years for private ownership. By June 2022 they said they would have built 28,000 homes. They have built 1365. You can spin that anyway you choose, the government can 'reset' all it likes, but it's failure by any measure.
Like I said Gypsy, there has been a reset, which you can't dismiss because it doesn't suit you and any homes built after National left a housing crisis would be a success. Example, from your link, "Developments like Panmure in Auckland that include KiwiBuild are seen as a success: not just new homes, but a whole new way of living" "the success the Government has had in other areas of housing policy"
National promised more affordable homes, promised to build thousands of new state houses by selling off 8000 existing houses would you believe but delivered an unprecedented housing crisis instead. National also didn't deliver on it's later promise to build 34,000 homes in Auckland either.
"Fletcher Building chairman's praise for KiwiBuild
KiwiBuild may have failed to hit its targets, but it has brought about a culture change in the building industry, according to Fletcher Building's chairman. "It has focused the industry around affordable housing,"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117846966/fletcher-building-chairmans-praise-for-kiwibuild
"Simon Wilson: In praise of Government's KiwiBuild housing scheme"
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/simon-wilson-in-praise-of-governments-kiwibuild-housing-scheme/SP5U4XGB4OAAFXEA6MAZ56I2OM/
"An interesting note: 5700 medical workers, drs and nurses were brought into the country when the border was closed."
Do you have a link to the data (apart from the whole Parliamentary session)?
It seems surprising, as only 300 MIQ spaces were set aside per month for health workers (from November 21), and there were several articles about those places not being full (as the workers couldn't get through the Immigration system). I don't see how they could have got to 5,700.
Just the link to the PM's Q/A, duration: 8 mins 35secs.
Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: We currently have 20,000 nurses registered but not practising in New Zealand. One of the issues that has been raised with us when we went out and consulted is a concern that if we did not attach to the residency pathway the requirement to keep working in nursing, there may be a loss of that nursing workforce. The point is to take stress
Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I'm not going to name individual district health boards but the stats do demonstrate that we have a higher movement rate for those who have come in as migrants into the nursing workforce than the general nursing workforce. Can I also point out that this is on top of the work that we've already been doing to bring in critical purpose visas for health workers? We have had, even while our borders were closed, 5,700 critical purpose visas for health roles since COVID. We have been recruiting offshore. At the same time, we've had the Return to Nursing Workforce Support Fund to try to bring back some of those 20,000 who are trained as nurses but are currently not working as nurses. We've had the general nurses campaign; the New Entry to Practice Programme, which had $25 million put in in 2019; and we have increased our nursing workforce, as a Government, by 15 percent. We have focused on turning around an understaffed health workforce, and we continue to do so.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20220622_20220622_12
Here would be a fun job for the new South Island water entity: take over the assets of the Kurow-Duntroon Irrigation Company.
Irrigation firm owes more than $50 million | Otago Daily Times Online News (odt.co.nz)
This lot were up to their eyeballs in debt to Waitaki District Council and Crown Irrigation Investments Ltd (Set up under Key to massively expand dairy irrigation).
Of course the shareholders might be able to finesse some kind of re-financing.
But what a great opportunity for the new Crown water entity to take over 5,500 hectares of irrigation and invite good farmers to farm for high profit and high sustainability.
Intensive dairy farming in that part of the country is not sustainable. Hence irrigating and fertilising like mad.
Intensive dairy farming is not sustainable anywhere in the country.
It needs to be constantly propped up and mopped up wherever it is located.
https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/the-country/id1305527677
On those numbers it looks like the state will end up owning the irrigation scheme …not a bad outcome.
It's great countryside round there – plenty of options beyond dairy if you've got a bit of water. Half the battle though, might be to aim for smaller multicrop farms, rather than unrelieved pastoral or vineyard or forestry.
Smaller farms in Korea often have rice fields, a couple of paddocks of table grapes, an enoki or shitake mushroom field, and a handful of hand raised cows – not so much a monoculture.
Meet Vice President-elect of Colombia Francia Márquez.
When Colombians elected their first leftist president ever on Sunday, they also elected the country’s first Black vice president: Francia Marquez, a single mother who worked as a maid before challenging international mining interests as a fiery environmentalist. Her victory marks a turning point in a country plagued by social inequalities and historically governed by conservative elites.
https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20220620-francia-marquez-from-maid-to-colombia-s-first-black-vice-president
Thanks, joe90 – this is interesting and encouraging news indeed!
Great news Joe. I travelled in Colombia for over 4 months 10 years ago and boy do they ever need a leftist president to spread the wealth.
Mind you we need a wealth tax here too.
She is the real deal and could be the actual nail that fixes shut US military hijinx in arming drug cartels against poor Colombians. All that is left now is for Lula to take back Brazil. This will be a tough nut to crack with the US potentially focused on keeping Bolsonara in charge
Nearly $500 million US aid last year says she'll make all the right noises but in reality, do the bare minimum.
For those interested in local government, and grass roots community organisations, Inspiring Communities is a good resource to sign up for:
https://inspiringcommunities.org.nz/
Tomorrow's webinar panellists: Penny Hulse, Jill Day, Sam Broughton
https://inspiringcommunities.org.nz/ic_webinar/locally-led-matters-harnessing-the-power-of-collaborative-local-leadership/
German PPI ( primary producers index) inflation goes through the roof,hitting 33.6% with electricity inflation over 90% as well as key agriculture inputs.
To alleviate the crisis,the German energy minister (green party) has asked for the decrease in electricity generation in Gas (to allow for reserves to be sustained for winter) and asked for the increased generation by coal thermal plants.
The UK and Austria have also reinstated coal fired generation.
The German payment of 15B euros to subsidise the thermals,is twice the forex reserves of Pakistan which cannot afford the high spot rates for LNG forced by European demand.Hence Pakistan goes to severe conservation.
Great that a Minister took the hint before the Fletchers Gib Board story went even more ballistic.
"The Minister for Building and Construction Megan Woods has set up a Ministerial taskforce with key construction, building consent, and supply chain experts to look at what more can be done to ease plasterboard shortages, including the potential for legislative or regulatory change."
Plasterboard Taskforce Set Up To Ease Shortages | Scoop News
Pretty astounding that the Minister of Consumer Affairs Mr Clark hasn't stepped in since this is a near-total-monopoly screwing the entire house construction market.
But at least Woods is acting on her new brief.
David Seymour got in on the act in Parliament. I thought the private enterprise free market approach was the way to go. Is that's what's operating? The market knows best, someone will make financial killing. Isn't that how it's meant to operate?
Surely the Government getting involved should be anathema to him.
But at least Woods is REACTING on her new brief, due to embarrassment. Fixed that for you AD.
FFS what has she been doing ?? This shortage has been an issue mid last year, perhaps it is time that ministers in this government went out and interacted with people, instead of being out of touch !!!!
https://www.gib.co.nz/gib-news/gib-update/gib-plasterboard-supply-update/
"The August/September 2021 lockdowns caused significant disruption across the building industry. The lockdown created a backlog of orders for Winstone Wallboards to pick and deliver and resulted in longer lead times"
Former Aus FM, Bob Carr lays out a path by which Julian Assange could be freed by the new PM Albanese.
He laments the lack of any kind of national pride that allowed Morrison to accept such extreme treatment of an Aus passport holder and points out the obvious track record of support by Aus to all things US. Time for the lapdog to show some mongrel
Great link Sublim. Good to see Bob Carr is still in fine form. Great article….I shared it to fb.
I keep buying the Wikileaks t-shirts, though someone did say to me the other day they thought it said "free lasagne"
Hasta la Pasta!
Carr outlines the obvious face-saving measure that could well bring this monumentally stupid episode to a close. If the US security establishment and the Clinton Dems are the bad guys in this debacle – the entire UK establishment, their media, their Courts and Parliament have been to made to look like craven fools.
Everyone knows the original charges were politicised bollocks and the entire thing was an exercise in sustained bullying that has backfired badly. End it.
Whoever is doing the PR for Andrew Little, needs to work on his messaging.
He may be correct, in his narrow interpretation, that there is no Hospital 'crisis' – but the rest of NZ is surely seeing and hearing about one in practice at their local Emergency Department.
Denying this is simply playing into the perception that he is badly out-of-touch with reality in his Health portfolio.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/469518/health-system-under-pressure-not-in-crisis-minister-andrew-little
It's pure jam for the opposition.
The smartest thing Little ever did was give up the leadership…the second smartest thing may have been to quit politics.
I had really high hopes for health when Little became minister. TBF they were raised when Dr Clark was appointed but dashed quick smart.
Little has raised the ire of the nurses in the past with his 'blurring the numbers' during the recent wage round, between wage increase and the pay parity. Which, incidentally still isn't settled. The DHBs trying to go back on the understanding of when the pay parity would be backdated to.
As you say, Little needs better advisors. He could instruct the DHBs to agree to the NZNO's figures and wrap it up in a press release that is heavy in the acknowledgement of the dedicated service the nurses have shown through Covid, Win-Win.
Too late for that now, the DHBs cease to exist in 9 days.
At which point we will magically have enough doctors, nurses and allied medical staff, the 'postcode lottery' of healthcare will cease, health outcomes for all Kiwis will improve, and the vast sums saved will be able to be used to expand the health services. /sarc/
Yeah, I don't believe it either.