Couldn’t sleep so went for a short drive around the Christchurch CBD at 2.30 am this morning, just for curiosity.
Usually the place is buzzing about this time on a ‘normal’ Saturday night/Sunday morning. Now the city is as dead!
Three hot spots, Victoria Street around the Casino, Hereford Street/Oxford Terrace and St. Asaph Street – hardly any people at all. Bars like Engineers closed, didn’t see one moving taxi and only four in the rank outside the Casino.
Some customers in The Rockpool, but seemed about only 1% of normal and few people along the Terrace.
Not much evidence of social distancing inside the bars, but I only glanced sideways as I drove slowly past.
Sure, the health impact of Covid-19 will be great, but the economic effects will last longer and be more intense, imho.
Not sure you have seen Dr. John Campbell’s daily videos.
They are a source of information and calm as we face the oncoming wave of COVID19.
I mention him because in this most recent video he despairs of the behaviour of some British and American people, who have partied and gone to pubs, despite the growing threat.
As he says; this literally means more deaths.
He emphasises we must learn from South Korea.
Test, trace, quarantine.
The Opposition seems to have learnt from their missteps of last week. Bridges hasn’t really been seen since his tone-deaf performance during Question Time last Tuesday and this morning it was Shadow Finance Minister Paul Goldsmith in the Sunday Star Times urging the government to really open the cheque book in the fight to rescue what remains of the economy. He specifically said that National will support whatever actions the government needs to take. A marked turnaround in approach.
The tone is different but the message is the same. I am not convinced that this is a “marked turnaround in approach”. In fact, I find the messaging more subtle and dangerous. Time will tell; one opinion piece is not enough.
Once I had to admit that John Key had done something right. I felt dirty for weeks afterwards but after a little self-flagellation and a conversation with a counsellor, I was able to work through it.
Now is not the time for division. I'm sure the usual program of partisan sniping can resume once we've navigated this particular hurdle.
It was less a resignation and more a rat leaving the sinking ship. "We're not going to pull off another one this election, and I'll be damned if I'm shackling myself to this doomed vessel… every man for himself!"
Heh! What over 70s get up to when in isolation. Found on Facebook.
"Newstalk ZB is being closed down for the duration of the Covid 19 threat because of causing moral panic through the spread of misinformation and unfounded extrapolation. Mike Hosking has shouldered responsibility for the close-down, saying that he has been under personal stress for some time. The above is not fact-based."
My Significant Other has introduced me to the ways of Op-Shopping, Hospice-Shopping, and the like.
Yesterday I discovered the recycling facility in Helensville, which is unseen from the road down a long driveway.
It was a total hive of activity yesterday. The carport of 20 was full, there were people milling through a rabbit-warren of the usual books, clothes, and household paraphernalia, but out in the yard was a series of alleyways with long lengths of native timber, an area where whole old houses were being dismembered and displayed like a big wreckers yard, and a whole shed full of bicycles from near-new to Choppers and Raleigh 20s.
It was like this was where the whole town actually hung out, instead of the shops.
As the mainstreet retail economy dies for a while, I suspect we're going to become a real recycling economy.
Busy busy with lots of really effective citizens co-operating but remember the 1 metre rule because otherwise it might end up being closed down as a source of infection-spread. This is hard to do I find. It has to be a deliberate rule I have to impose on myself. I feel well but….
The Seagull Centre is an award-winning, registered charitable trust and has been operating from the Thames site since 2004.
Operating as a social enterprise, the Seagull Centre is a community recycling and resource recovery facility generating revenue from the sale of goods and materials contributed by the local community. By diverting waste from landfill, the Seagull Centre is a self-funded operation providing local employment and affordable goods. The centre also provides education and training services on enviromental management and assisting training students into work. Where possible, the centre also contributes goods and grant funding to other organisations.
The Seagull Centre has gone through a major development to establish a Resource Recovery Park and will effectively be doubling operations to significantly increase it impact of waste diversion from landfill. A workshop is part of the expansion where donated goods can be reconditioned or upcycled for sale.
I visited the seagull centre quite recently and was supprized to see almostt no timber or corrogated iron very few old windows completely crap tools etc .I wondered if the good stuff was being siphoned off elsewhere ?.I did find a working toaster for five bucks tho !
I volunteer at an organic food co-op. We placed hand-sanitiser (tea tree-based) on a stand, with a politely-worded notice of instruction, at the entrance to the shop. 98% of people overcame their reluctance and used the "squirt-bottle". 2% did not. When asked, politely but firmly, by me to take the precaution "for all our sakes", some said, "I'm good" and left.
Many people walked by without stopping to read the notice (un-missable, I thought), provoking me to speak up. People are a curious beast. Awareness of surroundings is a variable phenomenon.
Edit: as of 4:30 yesterday, the shop is closed. Now, we are taking phone and email orders and delivering to those in need.
Indeed, but at the "coal-face" it's difficult for many people to "play hard" if the rules are variable. We had a constant stream of "visitors" through and some were not being clear about how long they'd been here in NZ. One particular Australian woman had arrived one day before the "self-isolate" declaration and was revelling in being free to go wherever she wanted to. She'd come over because she didn't want to be trapped in Australia. We sprayed and wiped like crazy as soon as she left. Not amused.
Personally, I favour the advice to have a hot drink regularly, to clear your mouth and throat of any lodged virus (flu or COVID) and anyone who has suffered hay fever in the past might know the method for "flushing" the nose with warm, salty water and how effective that is in doing what hot herb teas etc. does for your mouth.
I'm hearing similar stories from people dealing with the passing tourist traffic.
I pretty much at the point of I'd report tourists doing that. They have a phone line set up. She's technically not doing anything illegal, but in the absence of her communicating clearly that she understands the issues and is taking precautions I'd still want there to be a record of her and where she has been.
True, but I think most people in tourism will understand that it's not the accent that is the criteria but the touristy behaviour (people dealing with tourists a lot know how to figure out who are the tourists and who are the residents, because they have to do that all the time where they live).
Reporting is not a step I take lightly. Tourists are still a strong potential for community spread imo. That will lessen soon, but there's been too many stories now of tourists not taking the situation seriously. That's understandable because they're on holiday and may not be up to speed with what is going on, but they're also less in the loop of the social structures currently supporting the big changes needed.
Went for a coffee in St Clair about a month back and was taken for being a tourist. Was funny because I reckon I might have been in NZ longer than the life span of the barista.
Well, Bill, I've had over half a century of people asking me "where I'm from" even though I thought I have a very obvious Maaori/Pakeha ancestry. The issue, supposedly, is that my accent doesn't match my looks. A very subtle way of reminding people that they don't belong.
From my perspective, I consider that my accent does match my ancestry, for someone born and raised in NZ – this is the result. Your "never occurred", could mean that the question when made to you is genuine. Usually, for me, the question comes solely from Pakeha NZers – giving rise to the implication that someone with obvious Maori ancestry doesn't talk like that. That has been confirmed more than once by the follow up statement "Oh, you don't talk like a NZer", when I talk just like many other NZers. The reality is, they expected a different accent from the one they have. This – thankfully is not so prevalent now – but it still occurs, as one young person we had staying with us was asked several times in her place of work. Usually by older people.
Imagine how many of those NZers are asked where they come from because of their looks and their accent? I’m guessing non of them.
For the longest time I felt the same as Molly but it’s usually Uber drivers or co-workers doing it. Since they are from all over the place, it's just a natural question, so I try and be polite. Even though my family has been here for 5+ generations… people still think I’m “from” somewhere else. Really stupid, but reflective of 20+ years of scammy, dysfunctional immigration policy & demographic shock
It surprising, and interesting that most cases in NZ are from NZ residents returning with a few from tourists. There's been no cases popping up (YET) from tourism front liners.
Talking to other front liners in Queenstown everyone's got a personal story/stories of interactions with visitors with persistent dry coughs and / or looking feverish. These go from early March to present, especially in US and European markets. How we don't have many, many cases in Queenstown and all around the industry I don't understand.
Last week it was people who were saying they had been in the country for two weeks, but couldn't say where they had been. Then stories from visitors (US market) who said their tour had been cancelled and they had to find their own way home.
A neighbouring business owner came back from Sydney on 14th and got rounded up on Thursday and told he had to self isolate, was in a hell of a flap trying to find somewhere, bit tight in that area around town….
Other local phenomena are realestate signs sprouting on roadsides, and trailers loaded with household effects, cleared the flat and out of town. How this is going pan out if there is an outbreak here could be fun. Lots of people have lost jobs or had hours cut below survival in tourism / hospo.
Yet most of the cases are related to NZers coming home from overseas. The most common Queenstown link is from being the defacto regional airport, more / cheaper flights than Dunedin or Invercargill. Cruise ships figure more too.
I wonder if it's because the Chinese tourists stopped traveling so much early on? And other countries with high numbers also but a bit later. Some tourists probably went home early too. Would be interesting for someone to track cases leaving NZ and what happened on those flights, given how many tourists are here for a short time.
I'm hoping rents are going to drop in tourist towns. Maybe we're about to see a solution to the housing crisis too. All those Airbnb people wanting permanent tenants again.
I don't think we have much exposure to Hubai tourism wise, so missed out there, also the Chinese government pretty much banned overseas tour groups, late Jan I think. Here the virus is an American or European virus. Levels of awareness in those markets where non-existent.
Yeah, rents will drop here, but there will be NO work, so will be even more unaffordable.
As for the Airbnb lot, I know someone who borrowed 6 mill to build / buy a raft of properties for an Airbnb operation, ideally the properties are quite different to something you'd live in full time and their locations are more suited to that use. Was doing really well with it too. They're not very happy right now.
Housing problems here are demand driven, high rents when high demand and empty properties when there's no demand because there's no jobs.
But the time between high infections in those countries and us taking action was relatively short yeah?
Think we'll discover that the virus had been circulating in US and Europe for far longer than we think. The delay due to denial "its just a hoax" in the west, followed by the consequences of that delay might make the initial Chinese response actually pretty efficient.
Thank you Ed. We need daily patrols of the police and military pulling elderly off the streets for flouting the new rules. Elderly caught in public without ID should be sent back into isolation.
About people over 70, in the UK, as on Sunday 15th. I haven't found the update within the past week. UK Mar.15/20 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-5189587
Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks'
Every Briton over the age of 70 will be told "within the coming weeks" to stay at home for an extended period to protect themselves from coronavirus. When it happens, they will be asked to stay home for "a very long time", Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.
The government is to release social distancing advice for elderly people on Monday – but they will not yet be asked to self-isolate for long periods. Mr Hancock said the over-70s and people with certain health conditions would soon be asked to self-isolate – but he did not say for how long.
He told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show people without symptoms would still be able to visit older relatives and friends as long as they stayed 2m (6ft) away from them.
The health minister for Wales, Vaughan Gething, said it was "entirely possible" elderly people would be asked to self-isolate for long periods. "That shouldn't be a surprise," he added.
But the Scottish government said it had no plans to isolate the elderly, and would instead "ask them to reduce social contact". Jeane Freeman, Mr Hancock's counterpart in Scotland, said: "We don't want people who are elderly to be stuck in their homes alone not contacting anyone, with their families not able to be in touch with them and to help them.
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And good idea for supermarkets – One called Iceland, it's apparently a brand name, in West Belfast is opening early for the older person. (Iceland, a supermarket brandname! Have they lost their identity to commercial interests as we have lost 'kiwi'?)
Older people have enjoyed dedicated shopping sessions at some supermarkets as the coronavirus outbreak causes more people to stock up on goods.Pensioners were able to shop at Iceland and Lidl stores before general admittance to the public. In west Belfast, the local Iceland store at the Kennedy Centre opened its doors for older people only at 8am.https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-17/older-people-enjoy-dedicated-shopping-sessions-at-supermarkets/
We're not under martial law. The announcement yesterday was a request not a mandate, and it wasn't a request to isolate in the way you are suggesting.
There are elderly people that still need to go out for food, they have no other way of getting it. They also need to get sunshine and fresh air and exercise to keep themselves healthy and to manage stress. They're not hurting anyone else by going outside so long as they follow the protocol. They should limit this, but it's not sensible to ban it.
Corona virus isn't airborne in the medical sense. At this stage elderly people aren't going to catch the virus so long as they don't have close contact with other people (2m distance, handwashing).
Please stop talking about locking people up. There are very good public health reasons to not do that at this stage.
My Mum's 76 this year and in frail health. I've told her to stay at home and call me if she needs anything. Countdown is still doing online shopping so I've had a stash of groceries delivered to her (I restrained myself and didn't buy 150 rolls of Purex 2-ply though) so hopefully, she'll be able to ride it out. I will confess to being a little concerned, however.
From this weekend, we are being told to self-isolate for 12 weeks, which takes me back to my teenage years, when my father banned me from leaving the house, after I took up with a boy on a motorbike.
The item was published on Tuesday, 17 March so it may have been written pre-weekend or refer to the weekend starting Saturday, 21 March. The writer makes her points succinctly. Apparently the very large Italian death toll, being found to be among the elderly, needs to be viewed dispassionately.
The Italian population has apparently a large population of very elderly. The elderly people dying there have been largely in the 80s whose bodies have been suffering the degeneration that happens towards the end of life. It has been pointed out that the indication that coronavirus is the cause, masks the fact that they have had multiple health problems which they have kept at bay for the time being, and coronavirus is just the last straw – not a virus striking at a healthy, unlucky citizen.
As the UK older says, give us over 65-70s a break and sensible guidelines that we are mature. wise and reliable enough to follow, please! And perhaps allow for Managed Demise for those in the older group, after certain legal steps have been followed, so we can go at our leisure with a plan probably for hearts and flowers, speeches, music, love etc. even if we have to be separated by a metre. It's called making the best of a bad job!
The most urgent concern for me at the moment is to prevent these kids – who've spent the past 4 months with their mother – suddenly being dumped on my Parents just in time for a 4 week (or just as likely 4 month) lockdown. Horrendous level of noise … like living under siege … 24/7 it'll be a living hell for them. High stress & sleep deprivation … just what two 90yos at high-risk of infection need to supress their immune system.
But this guy’s violence remains a major worry … and I'll need to make sure the Social Worker & Police supporting them remain closely in touch (just hope they don’t take time off work during the lockdown).
Are you serious? We haven't been put into enforced isolation and nor should we at this point. We've been asked to stay home and only venture out on necessary errands.
Trying to scapegoat the over 70s as senile old goats (and goatesses) who can't be trusted to act responsibly? How old are you?
I read Maui as being OTT witty. No more. Well, I hope so!
My old school mate living in Italy, who like me is 70 years old, says that in their restriction period they could be stopped by the police and had only two legitimate reasons for being outdoors off their premises. Who knows what powers the authorities will have in a phase three or four situation here in NZ?
Sorry auto capitalised, didn't proof read. Tired, grumpy, stressed, not as careful as I should be.
Even more so now that I've just got back the super where I couldn't get various things due to #*!@ing hoarders clearing out various product lines. Crazy
Also according to an RNZ report from Nelson Grey Power, many seniors don't have internet access, and aren't very up-to-date with current advice.
Having worked in Auckland libraries, I know there are some seniors, and some people not so old, who have an aversion to using the internet. Other oldies use it a lot.
But, also, some people on low incomes have relied on libraries for computer and internet access. Now Auckland Libraries are closed, so there will be quite a few people of all ages not getting online info.
Noticed that the library computers at our local branch are always being well – and sometimes inefficiently used.
The old system of radio relayed information would be worthwhile to implement and advertise during news programmes. Older citizens who are more likely to have no internet, are also probably more likely to have radios. I would think radios would be as informative, and perhaps more reassuring than watching the television to keep up with the latest updates.
Yes, the article also said that many seniors use radio, and that was an important info source for them. But, it also said some seniors were not well informed. Maybe it depends how often they listen to the radio, and the times they listen.
RNZ is adding public service announcements. Also on freeview TV channels there are sub titles/tickers with some Covid-19 updates – during movies, etc.
Counterproductive I would think. Stopping the elderly from walking, biking and other non contact recreation will probably kill more than coronavirus.
I think my 89 year old dad will go downhill fast without his daily bike ride.
The same is true for many younger people.
We are away sailing at present. Very easy way of avoiding people.
I think many people are starting to leave their politics outside the door because when it comes to the crunch it really is the last thing that matters.
It's rich of the Prime Minister to accuse the opposition of playing politics with Covid-19 when her government's own response to the crisis is dripping with it.
Heather Du Plessus Allan on HoS. It's premium so can't read the rest and wouldn't bother anyway. That woman is as clueless and classless as a headless chook yet she gets premium status.
At least the regulars like Audrey Young, Claire Trevett and co. are professional journalists and deserve premium status even if you don't agree with them.
I read it at the café, and it is as bad as you surmise. Towards the end she criticises Simon B as well. But it struck me that even if Jacinda had played a lower profile just as HdP recommends, she would now be penning something like:
"While the Govt. measures are not bad in themselves, the problem remains that there is an obvious vacuum of leadership at the top. Jacinda Ardern has been hardly to be seen, and still leaves us all with the impression that she is weak and vacuous."
If Heather Duplicitous-Allan was in charge, we'd all die. I'm fairly comfortable with Jacinda's approach. It's all "This is serious, kids!" without resorting to police-state "All citizens must obey curfew under penalty of bludgeoning!" which is nice. I think she knows you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. However, you can't legislate against human stupidity and selfishness. I don't envy her. I doubt she ever imagined she'd be confronted with anything like this in her lifetime.
So, come November, if the election goes ahead, Americans get to choose between a compulsive liar and a pathological liar. Great stuff.
At least Biden's 'on to it" – sent out a tweet asking that bailed out companies forego stock buy backs. Meanwhile, Trump has already banned stock buy backs in bail out legislation.
Please lets just get some reassurance from the maths in this most unwanted virus.
In Italy with 48000 notified cases in 60million population that is still less than 1 person in 1000 who has contracted it. Lets stop panicking our children, the vulnerable and of course the stupid 'preppers '.
Yes, it is nasty and we should take all nessecary precautions but we do need to keep it in proportion.
The death toll in Italy is a bit over the top but Italians are notoriously subversive when it comes to their governments and it appears that everyone who has died having Covid has been classified as having died from it by the medics, but the flu, emphysema and associated lung and heart disease numbers are way down on a normal year.
It may be just a way to " punish " the current government whatever iteration it happens to be this week.
…that is still less than 1 person in 1000 who has contracted it…
Thus far. This is estimated likely to infect 40 to 70% of the population, and the Italian health system is overwhelmed with only the cases they have already. Please take this seriously.
Weirdly Germany has had only 31 deaths from 14,000 infections; Italy's death rate is 40 times that of Germany. This is explained in part by this interesting article:
Germany's hospitals are prepared in a really interesting, and good, way. Hotels are being cleared and set up as ersatz-hospitals for the less critically ill non-Covid-19 patients, which clears beds in extant hospitals for Covid-19 patients.
BG, the primary reason for that is that Italy is a prime tourist destination and in some areas, such as Lombardy the reaction for isolation etc was not implemented or too late.
You will not believe this, but in Salzburg Austria, which is in quarantine and all shops, restaurants etc are closed, buses wit tourists arrive. How is this possible? Nobody can answer this. Please accept that this is not a racist comment but the majority of tourists come from China where the virus first broke out.
I think we need to be prepared for a similar scenario over 12 or more weeks. It takes discipline to see this through. I am not sure whether the god of money will let this happen so easily. The hoarders rampaging through supermarkets in the last couple of weeks are part of that. I feel that the current situation will show whether the human race is civilized. I wont hold my breath though.
dude, i am sorry for the negativity, but this a actual reality.
so ignore me, feel free. But don't deny reality. Look at it, because 624 people died yesterday in Italy, bringing the death toll of this disease in 1 MONTH to over 4000.
It's not an aversion to reality, most people here seem to have a strong grip on the handle of the mad/sane door, it's you losing the plot in a very public way, because you aren't getting what you want from the government, and for a week where one can set a watch by it, predictable as it is.
It may be cathartic for you to express your right to free speech in such an ignorant and depressing manner, but it can't be helping much as there appears to be no end to the daily spews.
[Pack it in with the abuse and bullshit labeling – this is a forum for people to express their thoughts, concerns and opinions.] -B
Well, bad thoughts, hoarding, and occasionaly mob violence.
There's a balance that needs to be had between the "it's not so bad, only .2% mortality rate" (which is still thousands of dead if half nz gets it, even if accurate) and the sort of messaging that empties supermarkets not because of any shortages but because the markets literally can't restock their shelves quickly enough.
Too far one way, people set up illegal roadblocks (and the next step is to arm the roadblock guards with firearms). Too far the other, the govt does fuckall then has to go straight to level 3 or 4 because they realise how badly they fucked up (UK).
Dr Baker's call for lockdown and testing makes much sense in the immediate …
"Baker, a professor at Otago University's Department of Public Health, wants "very intense social distancing for a period, maybe two to four weeks, while we're ramping up testing and then do a lot of testing and once the testing's done then we'll feel much more comfortable that we've got it under control".
"It's extremely inconvenient to do this but the alternative is we follow everywhere else in the world, excluding parts of Asia, towards a certain future of widespread transmission."
However what occurs when those two/four weeks are up and we have expended our current testing capacity?…and will we be able to obtain more of these resources in the world of rampant demand?
"Already, experts say, our testing regime risks being overwhelmed. In comment provided through the Science Media Centre, University of Otago Associate Professor James Ussher, Labtests director Gary McAuliffe and Canterbury DHB Dr Joshua Freeman say "diagnostic labs are really struggling to maintain testing capacity due to supply chain issues, which will be ongoing, as they are worldwide".
Bloomfield said on Wednesday there were 30,000 swab tests in the country for Covid-19."
At current testing rates (the past couple of days increased level) those kits will be used in 20 days and this pandemic is widely expected to run for months /years.
The politicians are earning their money with this one
I saw this last night and it made me so despairing (and I use that word sparingly) that at the moment I could not bring myself to safely repost it:
A photograph of an elderly woman “in tears” in front of empty shelves in a Melbourne supermarket has demonstrated the heartbreaking consequences of people's panic buying behaviour.
The picture was taken at midday on Thursday in the canned food aisle of the Port Melbourne Coles by Nine News journalist Seb Costello.
“This captures who is suffering from the me-first, unnecessary, trend of panic buying,” he wrote in a post shared to Twitter.
And the only people who can afford to hoard food are the ones with money.
People with no money often live day to day and shop day to day.
Would be appropriate to see supermarkets open to gold card holders (with limits on products) for the first hour of every day (would be super clean then too), the next hour for community service card holders and then everyone else.
Exactly. RNZ checkpoint interviewed some people at a supermarket. One woman, sounded like probably in her 40s, said she'd bought enough supplies to last for 6 weeks. You need the money, and a big freezer and pantry to store that amount of stuff.
The woman sounded quite matter of fact, and didn't seem to have any shame about such bulk buying.
That dedicated shopping time is already being offered by UK supermarkets.
I'd suggest a further step, and close shop for the purpose of restocking shelves. If the people who restock fall over….and (though I hate the damned things) go 100% self service and have the checkout staff redirected to shelf stocking too.
I live well out of town and shop every fortnight … It would not be great to come in and find I am short supplied by product limiting. You will have to re think the "rules" for limiting to make it possible for me to buy my groceries in one trip to town. .
Also, it seems to me that product limiting is per supermarket visit. So, what's to stop someone returning an hour later and buying more of the limited item; or 2 or more people from the same household each buying to the product limit at the same time?
When I come into town there is usually other things needed for the farm etc so I don,t want to have to return several times on the same day to get around product limitation, but yes, good idea take someone else along with me to pick up another ration of the limited stuff I need to fill my two weekly shopping list.
Where would you put the immune compromised shoppers?
I realise it is best for this group to stay home.
I would like more health information for some conditions in particular autoimmune disorders. I am not sure if this is immune compromised as often it is when the immune disorder is active when you feel the most unwell. The full blood count can jump around a bit.
Yes. I would express the same sentiment but framed from a slightly different angle; wealth itself is not the problem (after all who exactly is for poverty), but the irresponsible use of it.
Thursday midday I walked around with an empty trolley. No bread left. Almost no meat/chicken and other essential commodities. As I walked out… handed my empty trolley back to the manageress on duty… told her what I thought of the selfish shoppers coming in early and taking everything so that older and often disabled people missed out… asked that they start to ration out essential items. She told me she would be in touch with Countdown management.
That evening Countdown announced it would ration out essential products… open an hour early to re-stock all the shelves and close an hour early. I'm sure I was not the only upset customer around the country, and I can't thank the staff enough for how splendidly they have responded to the situation. They deserve a medal when this is over.
Good story, the supermarket staff must hate this more than any of us.
Supermarket management in NZ have been rather slow in getting on top of this. Here in Brisbane many of the big operators like Coles now have police or security staff at the checkouts to enforce limits.
But without clear rules it's hard to enforce; and no-one is going to like it when the govt is forced to act.
Security in supermarkets, who would have thought, but my kids mum was abused and threatened with physical assault while waiting in line, for standing "too close" to someone. My hope is the hoarders spend the next few weeks away from the supermarkets, as they have got their food, and leave the rest of us who are just shopping normally, in peace.
"My hope is the hoarders spend the next few weeks away from the supermarkets, as they have got their food, and leave the rest of us who are just shopping normally, in peace. "
Red, it's an important thing you raise. I hope this ok, but I removed the photo. I think the woman deserves her privacy. It's also going to be too hard to look at for many people who are already overwhelmed.
Hoping we can use this sad story to prompt discussion about actions people can take to stop people being left like this.
Well here is a good example of using the power of the internet for good:
A call to arms by a concerned Perth resident on the weekend has already attracted thousands of volunteers to assist nurses, doctors and others under strain from the burgeoning health crisis.
The Facebook page Adopt a Healthcare Worker encourages the public to adopt a frontline health worker and help them out with everything from shopping to cleaning their home.
This is where the 40-year long propaganda onslaught about people 'naturally' being "rational self-maximisers" leaves us – old ladies weeping in deserted aisles. Can we exhume Milton Friedman's corpse and stick his skull on a pike?
Well. If you expect over 70’s to self isolate for weeks, and others for two weeks, buying up in advance is not necessarily, selfish. It is necessary for many. One of Our local supermarkets has stopped online orders for a week, to catch up.
With little kids and elderly relatives at home, we are trying to keep two weeks ahead for 7 people, without buying too much at once. But then, we need to limit the amount of times we go shopping, as we don’t want to expose them to more than necessary.
Then there are elderly neighbours
we are offering to shop for, as well?
It's my understanding that only a small minority of people are in self-iso at present. Even if they all shopped up for two weeks I can't imagine their small numbers would strip supermarket shelves bare. And if you do need to shop in bulk for legit reasons, it might be a good idea to take some documentation to support this, otherwise everyone just turns up claiming they're shopping for 16 kids and a street full of relies.
If we wait for govt to act, it will be ration cards and all that comes with that.
What we are seeing is the end game of a society that has demanded nothing by 'rights' for generations. Which while these are fine and good things, every 'right' comes with an complementary obligation on someone else. We've allowed our conversation about 'responsibilities' to lag very far behind, and now we pay the price.
About 39 years ago, at a time and place pivotal in my life, I asked a question about the purpose of what we were doing, and the answer was "We are a people of duty". I thought it a bit dull at the time, but with time I understand it more and more.
That basic social contract from a citizen to the states of Australia or of New Zealand doesn't get pulled up with such a forceful tug too often. The most we rise to it usually is win a decent flood and we're all implored to pile up the sandbags together which then get reported n the TV news with warm bromides about community spirit.
We haven't had that called upon on a national scale in living memory – perhaps for those in their mid 80s who can still recall World War 2. That rules out 85% of us with no such understanding of deep social contract.
While we are figuring out what this new all-powerful all-subsidising state looks like, we have to address this spectacular growth in our state dependence is only possible because citizens will in future pay taxes to service the whole of the debt getting piled up.
That's a great moment for a new generation to write that societal contract anew.
Obviously there are people hoarding, who shouldn’t be.
Often the same people who already have too much, and could easily afford deliveries and inflated prices.
But. Expecting poor people to honour a “social contract” when they have experienced rich people dumping on them their entire lives, is a bit much.
Why do you expect them not to grab what they need ASAP, before it is priced out of reach, after the example of the well off, “there is no such thing as society” for the last 35 years. Expecting prices to rise beyound their reach, and the wealthy to grab everything, simply coincides with their lived experience for most of their lives.
After telling everyone for decades the greedy are superior people, you expect social cohesion?
And the right persists on having expectations of responsibility on poor people’s part, which would never be expected, of rich people.
There are reasons! Not excuses, why poor people cannot use their time and talents wisely. Being too hungry to learn at school is just one. Which I’ve seen, way too often.
Read up on the many research articles about what being poor and stressed, does to cognitive ability.
Thanks. It may just be a password issue. Tried my email address plus p/word. Then tried Carolyn_nth and CarolynS plus p/word – didn't try logging in via wordpress
Anyone care to give an idiots guide to the wage subsidies?
After hearing from a couple of business owners how they got money from the government, my boss is now toying with the idea of applying. The business will suffer a drop in revenue after the ban on gatherings of 100 or more, so will qualify on that basis. How does that affect me as an employee? Do I get made redundant? How do I get paid, through her or someone else? Do I have to sign on? etc. I only work 24pw, but that is classed as full time, do I receive the full subsidy of $585 (more than I get now) per worker or my regular wage? or does my boss get the full amount, pay my wages as usual, and get to keep anything extra if given by the government?
With level two here, I am, as an immune deficient diabetic, asked to stay at home like 70+ seniors, so what are my options regarding employment? It's a very confusing time to decide, or even know, the best course of action.
As an aside, my employer told me that with the minimum wage, I'll have to lose an hour per week to cover the raise. 🙄
Your boss can apply for wage subsidies for all of his staff that are on a regular wage.
Shit out of luck are self employed, gig'ers, etc that are on irregular income or are doing a draw out once a year.
But your boss should do this – if he can prove that he has had losses of at least 30%, he can revceive a subsidy for you for up to twelve weeks – this is my understanding – and this be a non refundable aid. it wont' be your full salary if you are above min wage as it only covers min wage. In saying that those that can apply for it should.
Thanks @Pat. On the phone now, but not really wanting to tie up the line for people with more pressing needs.
I did find that there is an isolation subsidy called the Leave Payment.
The COVID-19 leave payment will be paid at a flat rate of:
$585.80 to a person working 20 hours or more per week
$350.00 to a person working less than 20 hours per week.
Employers receiving the payment for employees who are required to self-isolate can receive it for 14 days. As people may be required to self-isolate more than once, employers will be able to apply for this on an ‘as needed’ basis. It can be paid for the entire period an employee is sick (or looking after a dependent person who is sick) with COVID-19 but the employer must apply every 14 days.
Your last question is important, I'm guessing there will be more info available this week. But on the face of it the MoH guidelines are not yet including people who are being told to stay home from yesterday (which isn't a self-isolation but a recommendation).
Just got off the winz hotline and still none the wiser, really, but thanked the operator from all of us anyway.
The way I see it is stay at home means just that, and even though I wasn't told I was eligible or not, to do that, the leave scheme is my only option other than quitting. Advice to talk to my boss about it is okay, but I know she'll expect me to work so she can get the in work payment and get my labour for free.
I guess it comes down to whether being told to stay at home trumps being told to go to work.
I am scheduled for a call from a nurse when they're free, though, for some reason I didn't quite catch why.
I will ask for her to apply for the leave scheme on a recurring basis until the alert advice has been removed, what happens from there is then her call. She will say I work alone and only have contact with her in the mornings and minimal to others, but she is still working (over 70 and a health risk) in a retail environment, and I work in all weathers, at high risk of seasonal weather and resulting sickness, weakening my system exponentially. All right in the sun, the wind and rain, not so much.
The nurse just rang me back and said I should tell my boss I've been advised to ask for her to apply for the leave scheme. If she doesn't comply, I'm to call MSD and let them know.
Don't know the details, but I do know an org that had a decent payment from govt in a few days of applying, so no interruption to payroll. Didn't seem to be too hard and took a chunk of stress away.
I had to work at a wedding yesterday, 75 people, one pm through after midnight, and a couple of guests told my boss how easy and quick it was to get the wage subsidy, so I can see why she's fully on board now, even if she wasn't when I told her about it last week.
If I weren't deemed higher risk, I'd be more than thankful for the 90 days job security – great initiative, but I'm not sure, with the alert advice, it's in my best interest long term.
taly on Saturday shut all non-essential factories after recording another record coronavirus toll that brought its fatalities to 4,825 — over a third of the world’s total and a grim reminder that the pandemic remains out of control.
“The decision taken by the government is to close down all productive activity throughout the territory that is not strictly necessary, crucial, indispensable, to guarantee us essential goods and services,” Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said in a dramatic late-night TV address.
The 55-year-old Italian leader stressed that groceries and pharmacies would remain open and did not spell out what “indispensable” companies were.
This ad really pissed me off! On Stuff, an ad for debt consolidation loans and a limited time offer of 12.99% p.a. on new loans of $20k or more. Under the circumstances, I’d call this unethicaladvertising. For obvious reasons, no link here 🙁
i got an email from the bank – i don't have any loans what so ever on my business – that they happily would lend me money for buisness continuency at a 1% discount. These fuckers just got money for free and they have the gall to do that.
In saying that, the government did nothing to prevent that either. Its not 'unethical advertising, its about the sum many small businesses like mine – businesses thad are not debt laden – to make it over then next 6 month i.e. cover leases, rates, building insurances, electricity, water. Overheads. For most of us that would be largly enough. We could shut, stay at home, and when life is going back to a new normal maybe pick up where we left.
it would allow us to pay creditors, most whom are local businesses – packaging, printing, web hosting, etc etc – and again it would help the landlords that have mortgages to service to continue to service their mortgages.
But as the Convid-19 bail out plan said as per the Spin Off, we are to talk to our 'financial advisors' or to our banks and when w have exhausted all of our means we can apply with Winz and be beneficiaries.
So don't blame the banks. They are doing what they were told to do by our Government.
Yes, I received a courtesy e-mail from my bank too. However, the ad is not for/from a bank but from a moneylender charging an eye-watering interest rate. People and businesses (SMEs) are struggling financially and it will get worse but they should not become easy prey for and fall victim to unscrupulous lenders. If I was ‘blaming’ anybody or anything, I was blaming Stuff for placing the ad.
everyone has bills to pay, stuff has, i have, the businesses in my town have. today i made enough moeny to pay one of my creidtors. Yei fucking me.
nevermind, that i and everyone else should be at home, trying to deprive the virus of hosts. Yet, here we go work, as the government can't be bothered to either by emergency degeree to stop predatory lending – and this is what i consider it, predatory, as most of us not on the government tit have no way of paying any loans back any time soon, or be prepared to offer no interst loans to us that we can start paying back once we have a new normal that allows people to work.
Stuff, has bills to pay so they allow for the ads that are paid for. I have bills to pay so I go to work – potentially getting infected myself, potentially infecting others, and it is just a shit show.
In the meantime, i have gone through liters of santizers, santizing down eftpos terminal, benches, shop surfaces after every single customer, the hand sanitzer by the door is slowly but surly coming to an end, delivering, taking online orders, hoping every day to just make enough to just pay one more bill. (And i have been doing that since February).
I am done putting the blame on capitalism, banks and so on and so forth, we have a government that can and should regulate, can and should use emergency decrees, can and should send checks to everyone, and i mean everyone, so that we are not going to have a country full of homeless, highly indebted people who will never ever be able to get themselves out of it.
I am wondering if the supermarket will finally give the vulnerable and over 70's a designated hour for shopping to protect them from possible infected other shoppers. The supermarkets are frenetic at the moment and in our particular area there doesn't seem to be any door control on keeping numbers down in the shop at any one time like clubs do with bouncers.
I have a daughter in the US and she said her partner aged 62 is shopping at a designated time in their Baltimore supermarket and she can't understand why this hasn't been implemented here. Hopefully this will come in and for front line staff and emergency workers who are so stressed right now. Right from the beginning a method of rationing should have been put in place. Two of everything in the long life section. It should have been policed hard and still should be in place. Leaving it to the goodwill of people is an exercise doomed to failure. People need to be instructed and steered in the right direction like road rules etc.
Now we over 70's have been obliged to isolate it is going to be even worse for food shopping. The click and collect and home deliveries will not be able to cover everybody so are we now going to be named and shamed if we dare to go out once a fortnight to stock up the pantry??
Meanwhile everybody look out for each other on this rocky ride ahead.
Yep. The home deliveries also need to be expanded, but that means more staff at supermarkets. And the cost of home deliveries will be too much for some seniors.
Younger bulk buying hoarders should hang their heads in shame. This has resulted in the restricted hours, which makes physical distancing harder.
"Leaving it to the goodwill of people" is a fine idea, but now it's proved a failure, it's time to impose rules. Funny you mention road rules, every time I drive I see people flout them, so maybe not a great analogy. As far as supermarkets and what you think they should do, ring the supermarket, email the company, don't wait for the govt, if people hassle the supermarkets enough they will do something.
I've sent 2 emails to Countdown – only supermarket in my area. First to ask them if they were going to expand their home delivery and PickUp options, and questioning the cost of deliveries now that 70yrs+ and health compromised people have been advised to stay at home.
The 2nd was to complain that I tried to place an order for home delivery and couldn't make it work – turns out their instructions are not good enough. A blank time/day slot does not mean it's available, need to find a slot that has "available" printed in it. So it means there were no "available" slots yesterday when I tried to place an order.
Our local P&S has a two of any item limit, enforced through the checkout, you try and scan three of one item and the red light comes on and it all stops. Evidently Countdown is the same. Stopped it all in it's tracks, shelves all as full as normal at 7 pm, and everyone relaxed.
They are also trolling the hoarders by putting lines that have been panic bought on good specials in prominent places shortly afterwards. You've had to walk around half a dozen pallets piled high with loo paper for the last week, right inside the door on a good price. They are going down, slowly. Same thing with canned tomatoes.
Saw a disturbing video in NZH this morning of a supermarket in Auckland earlier today (sorry can't find the article now to put up a link).
When the doors opened by what seemed like security guards, a never ending, snaking line of panic buying shoppers entered, young, old and in between. It seemed to go on and on and on forever with people packed close together, creating an extremely dangerous environment for virus spread, going against everything we have been advised what to and what not to do in public areas!
Ignorance, selfishness and greed to the extreme. I feel so ashamed to be part of the human race at times!
With queues of people not keeping 1 meter distance. Message is probably not getting through to many low income people and elderly. Some innovative communications required.
People are probably just scared as they see other countries locking down.
Prague, March 21 (CTK) – The data on the payment by bank cards assembled by the Czech technological group COVID19CZ last week have shown that 46 percent of returnees from Italy did not observe at least once the rules of the two-week quarantine, the server Seznam Zpravy said today.
On March 6, the government imposed the quarantine on the returnees from holiday in Italy in order to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus infection.
For what it is worth, As we are in our seventies(in fact one in the eighties) My wife and I have started on an Excel spread sheet all our movements from last Wednesday when we had to go down to the "Why you're up her" We have isolated ourselves as Ardern has requested since yesterday (Sat 21st)
Simple to do as we have used our EFTPOS card and all the receipts give times and dates of any transaction and names of people who we have had dealings with. We have also listed others we know who we have come into contact with. If the worse comes to the worse our movements date & time are recorded and hopefully it will help to track others.
Nothing quite like the power to indefinitely detain your opponents without trial to make your problems go away.
The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the coronavirus spreads through the United States.
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The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress. In making the case for the change, the DOJ document wrote that individual judges can currently pause proceedings during emergencies, but that their proposal would make sure all judges in any particular district could handle emergencies “in a consistent manner.”
The request raised eyebrows because of its potential implications for habeas corpus –– the constitutional right to appear before a judge after arrest and seek release.
The Lagos State Government has warned against the unprescribed use of Chloroquine, an antimalarial drug, as preventive or curative drug against the Coronavirus disease.
The warning is coming following the announcement of the United States President, Donald Trump, that the drug can now be used to treat Coronavirus.
The announcement has been countered by the country’s Food and Drug Administration, which said it had not approved the use of the drug for treatment against Coronavirus.
The Lagos State Commissioner for Health, Akin Abayomi, warned residents to avoid consumption of Chloroquine without prescription, noting that it could cause more harm than good to their health.
Governor Babajide Sanwo-Olu during a live broadcast also cautioned residents against panic-buying of Chloroquine drugs, foodstuff and other household items.
Russia, which has a population of 144 million, has reported just 199 coronavirus cases and some doctors have questioned how far the official data reflects reality, given what they say is the patchy nature and quality of testing.
A sharp spike in pneumonia cases in Moscow, Russia’s biggest transport hub and a city with a population of around 13 million, has further raised doubts.
“I have a feeling they (the authorities) are lying to us,” said Anastasia Vasilyeva, head of Russia’s Doctor’s Alliance trade union.
The government says its statistics are accurate however, and President Vladimir Putin has complained that Russia is being targeted by fake news to sow panic.
The number of cases of pneumonia, which can be caused by coronavirus, increased by 37 percent in Moscow year-on-year in January, according to Rosstat, Russia’s statistics agency.
The free to use online farmers market called Maker2U fast tracked to launch this week, in order to connect people and small businesses.
It does not seem to have got off the ground that much yet. they are asking small businesses to use their online ordering & their own home delivery services
http://www.fromthefarm.co.nz is also up and running for online buying … just needs more producers to start listing on it. It is totally free for buyers and sellers to use.
My asthmatic SO has received the work from home order. The IT knobs are arranging for some kit to be delivered, I've sorted a click and pick up grocery account, on the cusp of being at risk myself, and that's it, we're both home for the foreseeable.
I see over 3000 health professionals have begged the government to go to level 4 immediately. Seems sensible to me.
Btw, I cannot believe that Queenstown has few cases. Bars cafes thousands of folk in close contact with a very high tourist content. Not a living brain cell among the lot if them. It seems beyond belief that random tests are not being done there. The place should be shut down IMHO.
It’s something to take notice of, but there are policy issues beyond ICU capacity at work. How do we feed people if the country is in complete “stay at home… or else” quarantine? Hoarders will feel smug up until they need something and very few people are around to supply it.
NZ probably has some massive infrastructiure problems, not just with the health system – legacy of 3 decades of neoliberalism.
If NZ went straight to level 4, how would that be implemented? Martial Law?
I suspect the government is trying to lead the country there through steps, so people understand how and why. Some people still haven't got the message about social distancing and non-hoarding.
We are not an authoritarian state like countries that went early for lock down.
According to your links, the west coast one should be operational about now, and the chch one is fixing the shit that was badly done initially and not found until checks. Rather than too many managers, one seems to have been done properly and the other wasn't managed well enough.
Looking through that Level 3 is being brought in now. Moves to non face to face primary health care, and public facilities being closed, at least here in Queenstown.
Yeah there's a lot of crossover between mass gatherings restrictions and closing public facilities.Haven't looked around dunners too much lately, but I expect a lot of bars will have shut, too. 100 people or a metre radius around each punter wouldn't allow enough punters to open, pay topup or not.
A quick walk around Qtn yesterday most businesses were bleeding money, hospo and retail.
With the wording around the wage subsidy there's an imperative to keep staff employed, in a public facing situation this mightn't be the smartest right now.
Hospos that had punters there were a lot of goodbyes being said, others nearly more staff than punters, and all residents.
This is how I read it too. That it's about the logistics of shifting eventually to level four, and allow people time to adjust and prepare (mentally as well as practically).
Agree with you about so few cases in Queenstown, a minor miracle there. Part of it is few tourists in last couple of months and I think good luck around where they came from. Today the place was like the depths of the off season in the middle of May, very few about, just residents. Everyone is being very vigilant and unwell people have been got help.
The Hereford conference last week might have been the end of that by the looks.
Everyone is expecting the place to be shut very soon. There's been a lot of government people in town past week and the panic buying was jumped on very quickly and effectively. The consequences of advanced cases here doesn't bear thinking about, or in any small town in New Zealand for that matter. The nearest hospital in Invercargill is 2 hours away by road, or 30min by air, Dunedin is 40 min by air or 3 1/2 hours by road.
Wouldn't be surprised if we aren't Level 4 by the end of the week.
The more than two million people living in the blockaded Gaza strip in Palestine are being left to face the Coronavirus with hopelessly inadequate medical facilities and extreme overcrowding – conditions in which the virus will spread rapidly and devastatingly unless action is taken now.
The usual medical and public policy advice to Palestinians cannot hope to deal with this terrifying scenario. Health officials warn that if the virus enters Gaza, containment and treatment under the Israeli blockade will be nearly impossible.
Gaza’s hospitals are already unable to cope with “normal” medical situations. In March last year the United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator for the occupied Palestinian territory, Mr. Jamie McGoldrick, reported on Gaza’s "chronic power outages, gaps in critical services, including mental health and psychosocial support, and shortages of essential medicines and supplies."
In similar vein the Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem has reported that, even before coronavirus, Gaza’s barely functioning hospitals are dealing with the fallout from thousands of injuries which have resulted from murderous Israeli sniper fire on demonstrators in the ”Great March of Return” protests on the Gaza side of the security fence.
97% of all Gaza’s water is not fit to drink and Gazan hospitals don’t have enough clean water even for medical staff to wash safely. Simply calling on people to wash their hands regularly and keep social distances is a recipe for an unmitigated human catastrophe.
The situation is little better in the occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank where, as a result of Israeli’s brutal military occupation, medical facilities are also inadequate with serious shortages of basic medical equipment, trained personnel and essential medical supplies.
The looming human catastrophe is clear. When medically well supplied countries like Italy and South Korea have struggled to contain the virus there is no way the hospitals in Gaza or the occupied Palestinian territories will be able to cope.
Each year New Zealand votes at the United Nations for the end of Israel’s military occupation of the West Bank and blockade of Gaza.
It’s now critical for the government to back up those votes with effective political action. We urge you to put the welfare of Palestinians alongside concern for New Zealanders and speak out calling for Israel to end its blockade of Gaza and military occupation of the Palestinian territories and allow Palestinians to access the medical supplies and equipment they need to deal with this crisis.
SAN SALVADOR — El Salvador will take steps to limit the economic impact for people and businesses affected by the coronavirus outbreak, including suspending charges for some services, the government said on Wednesday.
Salvadoran authorities have yet to detect any cases there, but the impoverished Central American country has closed its borders and is in a state of near lockdown as it attempts to prevent the virus from entering.
Finance Minister Nelson Fuentes told a news conference the measures would only apply to people or businesses affected by the outbreak, which has pummeled financial markets and upended life around the globe.
For a three-month period, affected parties will be exempt from payments for electricity, water, mortgages and personal loans, credit cards, telephones, cable and internet, among other services, Fuentes said.
Once the three months are up, payment of the charges accrued will be spread over two years, without risk of default or damage to creditworthiness. Nor will they face interest charges.
Just put new rubber on the mobility scooter, Satire Radials.
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I live my life (woo-ooh-ooh)With no control in my destinyYea-yeah, yea-yeah (woo-ooh-ooh)I can bleed when I want to bleedSo come on, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)You can bleed when you want to bleedYea-yeah, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)Everybody bleed when they want to bleedCome on and bleedGovernments face tough challenges. Selling unpopular decisions to ...
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Given the crackdown on wasteful government spending, it behooves me to point to a high profile example of spending by the Luxon government that looks like a big, fat waste of time and money. I’m talking about the deployment of NZDF personnel to support the US-led coalition in the Red ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:40 am on Wednesday, July 24 are:Deep Dive: Chipping away at the housing crisis, including my comments RNZ/Newsroom’s The DetailNews: Government softens on asset sales, ...
As I reported about the city centre, Auckland’s rail network is also going through a difficult and disruptive period which is rapidly approaching a culmination, this will result in a significant upgrade to the whole network. Hallelujah. Also like the city centre this is an upgrade predicated on the City ...
Today, a 4 kilogram report will be delivered to Parliament. We know this is what the report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care weighs, because our Prime Minister told us so.Some reporter had blindsided him by asking a question about something done by ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 24, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Beehive:Transport Minister Simeon Brownannounced plans to use PPPs to fund, build and run a four-lane expressway between Auckland ...
NewstalkZB host Mike Hosking, who can usually be relied on to give Prime Minister Christopher Luxon an easy run, did not do so yesterday when he interviewed him about the HealthNZ deficit. Luxon is trying to use a deficit reported last year by HealthNZ as yet another example of the ...
Back in January a StatsNZ employee gave a speech at Rātana on behalf of tangata whenua in which he insulted and criticised the government. The speech clearly violated the principle of a neutral public service, and StatsNZ started an investigation. Part of that was getting an external consultant to examine ...
Renting for life: Shared ownership initiatives are unlikely to slow the slide in home ownership by much. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:A Deloittereport for Westpac has projected Aotearoa’s home-ownership rate will ...
You're broken down and tiredOf living life on a merry go roundAnd you can't find the fighterBut I see it in you so we gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsWe gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsAnd I'll rise upI'll rise like the dayI'll rise upI'll rise unafraidI'll rise upAnd I'll ...
There’s been a change in Myers Park. Down the steps from St. Kevin’s Arcade, past the grassy slopes, the children’s playground, the benches and that goat statue, there has been a transformation. The underpass for Mayoral Drive has gone from a barren, grey, concrete tunnel, to a place that thrums ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections Global society may have finally slammed on the brakes for climate-warming pollution released by human fossil fuel combustion. According to the Carbon Monitor Project, the total global climate pollution released between February and May 2024 declined slightly from the amount released during the same ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Tuesday, July 23 are:Deep Dive: Penlink: where tolling rhetoric meets reality BusinessDesk-$$$’sOliver LewisScoop:Te Pūkenga plans for regional polytechs leak out ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 23, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Health: Shane Reti announcedthe Board of Te Whatu Ora-Health New Zealand was being replaced with Commissioner Lester Levy ...
Health NZ warned the Government at the end of March that it was running over Budget. But the reasons it gave were very different to those offered by the Prime Minister yesterday. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon blamed the “botched merger” of the 20 District Health Boards (DHBs) to create Health ...
Long ReadKey Summary: Although National increased the health budget by $1.4 billion in May, they used an old funding model to project health system costs, and never bothered to update their pre-election numbers. They were told during the Health Select Committees earlier in the year their budget amount was deficient, ...
As a momentous, historic weekend in US politics unfolded, analysts and commentators grasped for precedents and comparisons to help explain the significance and power of the choice Joe Biden had made. The 46th president had swept the Democratic party’s primaries but just over 100 days from the election had chosen ...
TL;DR: I’m casting around for new ideas and ways of thinking about Aotearoa’s political economy to find a few solutions to our cascading and self-reinforcing housing, poverty and climate crises.Associate Professor runs an online masters degree in the economics of sustainability at Torrens University in Australia and is organising ...
The Finance and Expenditure Committee has reported back on National's Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. The bill sets up water for privatisation, and was introduced under urgency, then rammed through select committee with no time even for local councils to make a proper submission. Naturally, national's select committee ...
Some years ago, I bought a book at Dunedin’s Regent Booksale for $1.50. As one does. Vandrad the Viking (1898), by J. Storer Clouston, is an obscure book these days – I cannot find a proper online review – but soon it was sitting on my shelf, gathering dust alongside ...
History is not on the side of the centre-left, when Democratic presidents fall behind in the polls and choose not to run for re-election. On both previous occasions in the past 75 years (Harry Truman in 1952, Lyndon Johnson in 1968) the Democrats proceeded to then lose the White House ...
This is a free articleCoverageThis morning, US President Joe Biden announced his withdrawal from the Presidential race. And that is genuinely newsworthy. Thanks for your service, President Biden, and all the best to you and yours.However, the media in New Zealand, particularly the 1News nightly bulletin, has been breathlessly covering ...
A homeless person’s camp beside a blocked-off slipped damage walkway in Freeman’s Bay: we are chasing our tail on our worsening and inter-related housing, poverty and climate crises. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy ...
What has happened to it all?Crazy, some'd sayWhere is the life that I recognise?(Gone away)But I won't cry for yesterdayThere's an ordinary worldSomehow I have to findAnd as I try to make my wayTo the ordinary worldYesterday morning began as many others - what to write about today? I began ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Orderimage, ...
Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
Waiting In The Wings:For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSAannounced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
Te Rangi e tu nei (The sky above us) Te Papa e takoto nei (The land beneath us) Tatou katoa te hunga ora (To us all the living) Tena koutou katoa (Greetings) ...
A late change to charter school legislation will cheat educators out of fair pay and negotiating power proving charter schools are just a vehicle to make profit out of our education system. ...
In 2004 te iwi Māori rallied against the Crown’s attempt to confiscate our coastlines and moana with the Foreshore and Seabed Act. This led to the largest hīkoi of a generation and the birth of Te Pāti Māori. 20 years later, history is repeating itself. Today the government has announced ...
It has been five and a half years since the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care was established to investigate the abuse of children, young people, and vulnerable adults within state and faith-based institutions. Yesterday, the final report - Whanaketia through pain and trauma, from darkness to light ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to take action off the back of the International Court of Justice ruling on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine. ...
On Friday the International Court of Justice reaffirmed what Palestinian’s have been telling us for decades: that the occupation and colonisation of Palestinian lands by Israel is illegal and must end immediately. They also called for reparations for Palestinian’s who have lived under Israeli occupation since it began in 1967. ...
Labour calls on the Government to act after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territories is illegal. ...
The 53.7 percent rise in benefit sanctions over the last year is more proof of this Government’s disdain for our communities most in need of support. ...
Aotearoa could be a country where every child grows up feeling safe, loved and with a sense of belonging in their whānau and community. But for some of our children, this is far from reality. Instead, they are trapped in a maze of intergenerational harm that they can’t escape on ...
Te Pāti Māori are calling for David Seymour to resign as Associate Health Minister in response to his call for Pharmac to ignore the Treaty of Waitangi. “This announcement is just another example of the government’s anti-Tiriti, anti-Māori agenda.” Said Co-leader and spokesperson for health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. “Seymour thinks it ...
The soaring price of renting is driving the rise of inflation in this country - with latest figures from Stats NZ showing rents are up 4.8 per cent on average while annual inflation is at 3.3 per cent. ...
National’s Emissions Reduction Plan will take New Zealand further from the economy we need to ensure the next generation has a stable climate and secure livelihoods. ...
Following consultation with named parties and thorough consideration of privacy interests, the Green Party is in a position to release the Executive Summary of the final report from the independent investigation into Darleen Tana. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon should be asking serious questions of his Minister for Resources Shane Jones now it’s been revealed he misled the public about a dinner with mining companies that he didn’t declare and said wasn’t pre-arranged. ...
Te Pāti Māori have submitted to the Justice Select Committee against the Sentencing (Reinstating Three Strikes) Amendment Bill. The bill will further entrench racism in our justice system and fails to focus on rehabilitation. “Reinstating Three Strikes will empower a systematically racist system and exacerbate the overrepresentation of Māori in ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee is set to make a determination on the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill in the coming weeks. “This legislation will give landlords the power to kick our whānau out onto the street for no reason” said Housing spokesperson, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “Their solution to the housing ...
“National’s campaign was about tackling crime and the best they can do is a two-year long Ministerial Advisory Group,” Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...
“There are more examples of charter schools failing their students than there are success stories. The coalition Government is driving to dismantle our public school system and instead promote a privatised, competitive structure that puts profits before kids,” Jan Tinetti said. ...
“This government is choosing to deliberately mislead and withhold information, keeping our people in the dark about this government’s agenda and the future of our mokopuna,” said co-leader and spokesperson for Health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. The call comes after the demand from the Chief Ombudsman that Associate Minister of Health, Casey ...
“Today’s climate announcement by Simon Watts makes clear the National Government is simply paying lip service to meeting its climate change targets,” Megan Woods said. ...
National is choosing to make life harder for workers by taking away the rights our communities have fought hard for. Here's how they’re taking workers backwards. ...
Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue. We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views. “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
Tēnā tātou katoa, Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts. “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “Indonesia is important to New Zealand’s security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,” says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
He aha te kai a te rangatira? He kōrero, he kōrero, he kōrero. The government has reaffirmed its commitment to supporting the aspirations of Ngāti Maniapoto, Minister for Māori Development Tama Potaka says. “My thanks to Te Nehenehenui Trust – Ngāti Maniapoto for bringing their important kōrero to a ministerial ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has thanked outgoing Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority, Janice Fredric, for her service to the board.“I have received Ms Fredric’s resignation from the role of Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority,” Mr Brown says.“On behalf of the Government, I want to thank Ms Fredric for ...
The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliament’s test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “Section 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour says that opposition parties have united in bad faith, opposing what they claim are ‘dangerous changes’ to the Early Childhood Education sector, despite no changes even being proposed yet. “Issues with affordability and availability of early childhood education, and the complexity of its regulation, has led ...
After receiving more than 740 submissions in the first 20 days, Regulation Minister David Seymour is asking the Ministry for Regulation to extend engagement on the early childhood education regulation review by an extra two weeks. “The level of interest has been very high, and from the conversations I’ve been ...
The Coalition Government is investing $802.9 million into the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines as part of a funding agreement with the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA), KiwiRail, and the Greater Wellington and Horizons Regional Councils to deliver more reliable services for commuters in the lower North Island, Transport Minister Simeon ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced his intention to appoint a Crown Manager to both Hawke’s Bay Regional and Wairoa District Councils to speed up the delivery of flood protection work in Wairoa."Recent severe weather events in Wairoa this year, combined with damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in 2023 have ...
Mr Speaker, this is a day that many New Zealanders who were abused in State care never thought would come. It’s the day that this Parliament accepts, with deep sorrow and regret, the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care. At the heart of this report are the ...
For the first time, the Government is formally acknowledging some children and young people at Lake Alice Psychiatric Hospital experienced torture. The final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care “Whanaketia – through pain and trauma, from darkness to light,” was tabled in Parliament ...
The Government has acknowledged the nearly 2,400 courageous survivors who shared their experiences during the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care. The final report from the largest and most complex public inquiry ever held in New Zealand, the Royal Commission Inquiry “Whanaketia – through ...
With a week to go before hard-working New Zealanders see personal income tax relief for the first time in fourteen years, 513,000 people have used the Budget tax calculator to see how much they will benefit, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis. “Tax relief is long overdue. From next Wednesday, personal income ...
Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden says a bill that has passed its first reading will improve parental leave settings and give non-biological parents more flexibility as primary carer for their child. The Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill (No3), passed its first reading this morning. “It includes a change ...
Two Bills designed to improve regulation and make it easier to do business have passed their first reading in Parliament, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. The Regulatory Systems (Economic Development) Amendment Bill and Regulatory Systems (Immigration and Workforce) Amendment Bill make key changes to legislation administered by the Ministry ...
New legislation paves the way for greater competition in sectors such as banking and electricity, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. “Competitive markets boost productivity, create employment opportunities and lift living standards. To support competition, we need good quality regulation but, unfortunately, a recent OECD report ranked New ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says lotteries for charitable purposes, such as those run by the Heart Foundation, Coastguard NZ, and local hospices, will soon be allowed to operate online permanently. “Under current laws, these fundraising lotteries are only allowed to operate online until October 2024, after which ...
The Coalition Government is accelerating work on the new four-lane expressway between Auckland and Whangārei as part of its Roads of National Significance programme, with an accelerated delivery model to deliver this project faster and more efficiently, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “For too long, the lack of resilient transport connections ...
Sir Don McKinnon will travel to Viet Nam this week as a Special Envoy of the Government, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “It is important that the Government give due recognition to the significant contributions that General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong made to New Zealand-Viet Nam relations,” Mr ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says newly appointed Commissioner, Grant Illingworth KC, will help deliver the report for the first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons, due on 28 November 2024. “I am pleased to announce that Mr Illingworth will commence his appointment as ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters travels to Laos this week to participate in a series of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-led Ministerial meetings in Vientiane. “ASEAN plays an important role in supporting a peaceful, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific,” Mr Peters says. “This will be our third visit to ...
Construction of a new mental health facility at Te Nikau Grey Hospital in Greymouth is today one step closer, Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says. “This $27 million facility shows this Government is delivering on its promise to boost mental health care and improve front line services,” Mr Doocey says. ...
New Zealand is committing nearly $50 million to a package supporting sustainable Pacific fisheries development over the next four years, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This support consisting of a range of initiatives demonstrates New Zealand’s commitment to assisting our Pacific partners ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour says proposed changes to the Education and Training Amendment Bill will ensure charter schools have more flexibility to negotiate employment agreements and are equipped with the right teaching resources. “Cabinet has agreed to progress an amendment which means unions will not be able to initiate ...
In response to serious concerns around oversight, overspend and a significant deterioration in financial outlook, the Board of Health New Zealand will be replaced with a Commissioner, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti announced today. “The previous government’s botched health reforms have created significant financial challenges at Health NZ that, without ...
Minister for Space and Science, Innovation and Technology Judith Collins will travel to Adelaide tomorrow for space and science engagements, including speaking at the Australian Space Forum. While there she will also have meetings and visits with a focus on space, biotechnology and innovation. “New Zealand has a thriving space ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts will travel to China on Saturday to attend the Ministerial on Climate Action meeting held in Wuhan. “Attending the Ministerial on Climate Action is an opportunity to advocate for New Zealand climate priorities and engage with our key partners on climate action,” Mr Watts says. ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is travelling to the Solomon Islands tomorrow for meetings with his counterparts from around the Pacific supporting collective management of the region’s fisheries. The 23rd Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Committee and the 5th Regional Fisheries Ministers’ Meeting in Honiara from 23 to 26 July ...
The Government today launched the Military Style Academy Pilot at Te Au rere a te Tonga Youth Justice residence in Palmerston North, an important part of the Government’s plan to crackdown on youth crime and getting youth offenders back on track, Minister for Children, Karen Chhour said today. “On the ...
The Government has welcomed news the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has begun work to replace nine priority bridges across the country to ensure our state highway network remains resilient, reliable, and efficient for road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“Increasing productivity and economic growth is a key priority for the ...
Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “New Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says. “We are pleased to be finding more ways ...
New developments in the heart of North Island forestry country will reinvigorate their communities and boost economic development, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones visited Kaingaroa and Kawerau in Bay of Plenty today to open a landmark community centre in the former and a new connecting road in ...
President Adeang, fellow Ministers, honourable Diet Member Horii, Ambassadors, distinguished guests. Minasama, konnichiwa, and good afternoon, everyone. Distinguished guests, it’s a pleasure to be here with you today to talk about New Zealand’s foreign policy reset, the reasons for it, the values that underpin it, and how it ...
Last summer when Matairangi burned, Ginny and Tom stood at the window of their lounge, watching kākā shoot skyward from the burning trees. From the distance, they looked to Ginny like pages torn from books and thrown into a bonfire. It was Tom, voice tight, who told her it was ...
Opinion: The Canadian short story writer Alice Munro – winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2013 – died in May at the age of 92. Her work was about “the damage people inflict on one another in the name of love”, Deborah Treisman wrote in the New Yorker. ...
This month marks two years since the most powerful telescope ever built sent its first pictures back to earth. From its lofty vantage point, beyond the moon in orbit around the sun, the James Webb Space Telescope was tuned to observe the first stars and galaxies being born soon after ...
Comment: After Climate Change Minister Simon Watts’ preview several weeks ago, I had some optimism about the Government’s emissions reduction plan. Now I’ve read the discussion document, that hope has been dashed. How can the Government propose a plan that wants to take New Zealand taxpayers’ hard-earned money, and spend ...
Christopher Luxon: hurdles The little man from National jumps hurdles in his sleep. He’s quite good at it in his dreams and even though the reality doesn’t quite match up you have to give him credit for getting up every morning and crashing into the very first hurdle of the ...
Comment: It was a good two hours into the conversation when Tyrone Marks raised the most basic of questions when I first spoke to him in 2017. “They didn’t explain the things they did to me. They never told me why. And they still haven’t. There’s no explanation for it. ...
Madeleine Chapman rounds out Death Week on The Spinoff with a final recommendation. You can read all of our Death Week coverage here. Nothing forces you to reflect on your life and relationships quite like proximity to death. For those whose nearest and dearest have died, there are reasonably obvious ...
Whitney Greene takes us through her life in television, including the TV character she’d like to plan a funeral for and her cow lung catastrophe on The Traitors NZ. “If the phone rings, I have to answer it,” Whitney Greene from The Traitors NZ warns as we begin our My ...
Maddie Ballard reviews the debut essay collection of Pōneke writer Flora Feltham.In ‘The Raw Material’, the longest essay in Flora Feltham’s dazzling debut collection, the author heads out for a run after hours of weaving and sees the world turn to textile. “Pounding along the Parade, I saw the ...
Andy Christiansen, one half of the experimental rock-pop duo TRiPS, shares the tunes inspiring the band’s perfect weekend and new release. “Good speakers, good food, good music, no distractions”: that’s all you need to enjoy the psychedelic stylings of TRiPS, a new band formed by Fly My Pretties’ Barnaby Weir ...
Celebrating our quadrennial opportunity to become experts in a bunch of sports we never normally watch.The games of the XXXIII Olympiad are upon us. Paris will host this year’s showcase of sporting and athletic prowess, which means some late-night and early-morning viewing for us in Aotearoa.But what sports ...
The photograph is striking and beautiful, but also disturbing – a reminder that my love for John was often entangled in shame.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.In the spring of 1980, in Dunedin, shortly before his death, someone took a photograph ...
Get to know Babushka, our latest Dog of the Month. This feature was offered as a reward during our What’s Eating Aotearoa PledgeMe campaign. Thank you to Babu’s humans, Jo and Isabel, for their support. Dog name: Babushka (Babu for short) Age: 2Breed: Border Collie X poodleIf rescued, ...
Pacific Media Watch A Lebanese photojournalist who was severely wounded during an Israeli air strike in south Lebanon carried the Olympic torch in Paris this week in honour of her peers who have been wounded and killed in the field — especially in Gaza and Lebanon. Christina Assi of Agence ...
The first report in a five-part web series focused on the 15th Triennial Conference of Pacific Women taking place in the Marshall Islands this week.SPECIAL REPORT:By Netani Rika in Majuro Women continue to fight for justice 70 years after the first nuclear tests by the United States caused ...
Christopher Luxon has joined with Australia and Canada's leaders in voicing support for US President Joe Biden's ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The 2022 election brought the “teal wave” into parliament. The next election will test whether teals, who occupy what were Liberal seats, and other independents can maintain their momentum. Joining us on the Podcast ...
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Couldn’t sleep so went for a short drive around the Christchurch CBD at 2.30 am this morning, just for curiosity.
Usually the place is buzzing about this time on a ‘normal’ Saturday night/Sunday morning. Now the city is as dead!
Three hot spots, Victoria Street around the Casino, Hereford Street/Oxford Terrace and St. Asaph Street – hardly any people at all. Bars like Engineers closed, didn’t see one moving taxi and only four in the rank outside the Casino.
Some customers in The Rockpool, but seemed about only 1% of normal and few people along the Terrace.
Not much evidence of social distancing inside the bars, but I only glanced sideways as I drove slowly past.
Sure, the health impact of Covid-19 will be great, but the economic effects will last longer and be more intense, imho.
Welcome to the new ‘Great Depression.’
yep.
Bars would seem to be where cvid19 could be having plenty of transmission opportunities.
Some Bars all over the globe haven't seen much difference so we're our own worst enemy.
Bondi had to be closed yesterday as the sheeple gathered regardless… facepalm.
Not sure you have seen Dr. John Campbell’s daily videos.
They are a source of information and calm as we face the oncoming wave of COVID19.
I mention him because in this most recent video he despairs of the behaviour of some British and American people, who have partied and gone to pubs, despite the growing threat.
As he says; this literally means more deaths.
He emphasises we must learn from South Korea.
Test, trace, quarantine.
Time for lock down.
Try Chris Martensen at Peak Prosperity for a slicker presentation but along the same lines.
Thank you.
Yes I follow Chris Martensen as well.
Both are singing from the song sheet.
Case, case, cluster, cluster, boom.
Ardern is doing alright
Think I miss judged her.
Could lose a bit of the patronising in her speeches, but apart from that is holding up for it.
Nice one Chris T.
She is helped by the fact that the National "opposition" is so incompetent, and so poorly led.
Nobody is ‘helped’ by that, least of all the PM. The Opposition may want to learn the difference between holding to account and seeding discord.
The Opposition seems to have learnt from their missteps of last week. Bridges hasn’t really been seen since his tone-deaf performance during Question Time last Tuesday and this morning it was Shadow Finance Minister Paul Goldsmith in the Sunday Star Times urging the government to really open the cheque book in the fight to rescue what remains of the economy. He specifically said that National will support whatever actions the government needs to take. A marked turnaround in approach.
The tone is different but the message is the same. I am not convinced that this is a “marked turnaround in approach”. In fact, I find the messaging more subtle and dangerous. Time will tell; one opinion piece is not enough.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120474386/coronavirus-please-open-the-crowns-wallet-now-national-says-well-support-you
Not sure if it is led or advised how to portray their thing.
Either way Bridge's was just starting to look like a petulant arsehole
You'll still vote for him in September
That is an excellent distinction to make.
Just as an aside @Moz………
I know curmudgeonhood is a rite of passage but it really is so exceedingly common old chap.
I think they might have even developed a pill to combat it
Well done, Chris.
Once I had to admit that John Key had done something right. I felt dirty for weeks afterwards but after a little self-flagellation and a conversation with a counsellor, I was able to work through it.
Now is not the time for division. I'm sure the usual program of partisan sniping can resume once we've navigated this particular hurdle.
When he resigned?
It was less a resignation and more a rat leaving the sinking ship. "We're not going to pull off another one this election, and I'll be damned if I'm shackling myself to this doomed vessel… every man for himself!"
Good on you Chris T (2).
Heh! What over 70s get up to when in isolation. Found on Facebook.
"Newstalk ZB is being closed down for the duration of the Covid 19 threat because of causing moral panic through the spread of misinformation and unfounded extrapolation. Mike Hosking has shouldered responsibility for the close-down, saying that he has been under personal stress for some time. The above is not fact-based."
My Significant Other has introduced me to the ways of Op-Shopping, Hospice-Shopping, and the like.
Yesterday I discovered the recycling facility in Helensville, which is unseen from the road down a long driveway.
It was a total hive of activity yesterday. The carport of 20 was full, there were people milling through a rabbit-warren of the usual books, clothes, and household paraphernalia, but out in the yard was a series of alleyways with long lengths of native timber, an area where whole old houses were being dismembered and displayed like a big wreckers yard, and a whole shed full of bicycles from near-new to Choppers and Raleigh 20s.
It was like this was where the whole town actually hung out, instead of the shops.
As the mainstreet retail economy dies for a while, I suspect we're going to become a real recycling economy.
Damn!
One more person discovers the shops I have brought my whole wardrobe from since about the age of 17!
Leave some for me!
I think so too. Let's also remember that low income people have been relying on op shops for survival basics, and to discourage overbuying.
Busy busy with lots of really effective citizens co-operating but remember the 1 metre rule because otherwise it might end up being closed down as a source of infection-spread. This is hard to do I find. It has to be a deliberate rule I have to impose on myself. I feel well but….
Our local op shop has just closed due to infection concerns.
https://www.tcdc.govt.nz/Our-Services/Rubbish-and-Recycling/Seagull-Centre-Thames/
I visited the seagull centre quite recently and was supprized to see almostt no timber or corrogated iron very few old windows completely crap tools etc .I wondered if the good stuff was being siphoned off elsewhere ?.I did find a working toaster for five bucks tho !
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I volunteer at an organic food co-op. We placed hand-sanitiser (tea tree-based) on a stand, with a politely-worded notice of instruction, at the entrance to the shop. 98% of people overcame their reluctance and used the "squirt-bottle". 2% did not. When asked, politely but firmly, by me to take the precaution "for all our sakes", some said, "I'm good" and left.
Many people walked by without stopping to read the notice (un-missable, I thought), provoking me to speak up. People are a curious beast. Awareness of surroundings is a variable phenomenon.
Edit: as of 4:30 yesterday, the shop is closed. Now, we are taking phone and email orders and delivering to those in need.
The time for ‘please can you’ has passed.
We need decrees, enforcement and penalties.
We must learn from Singapore and China.
Indeed, but at the "coal-face" it's difficult for many people to "play hard" if the rules are variable. We had a constant stream of "visitors" through and some were not being clear about how long they'd been here in NZ. One particular Australian woman had arrived one day before the "self-isolate" declaration and was revelling in being free to go wherever she wanted to. She'd come over because she didn't want to be trapped in Australia. We sprayed and wiped like crazy as soon as she left. Not amused.
Personally, I favour the advice to have a hot drink regularly, to clear your mouth and throat of any lodged virus (flu or COVID) and anyone who has suffered hay fever in the past might know the method for "flushing" the nose with warm, salty water and how effective that is in doing what hot herb teas etc. does for your mouth.
I'm hearing similar stories from people dealing with the passing tourist traffic.
I pretty much at the point of I'd report tourists doing that. They have a phone line set up. She's technically not doing anything illegal, but in the absence of her communicating clearly that she understands the issues and is taking precautions I'd still want there to be a record of her and where she has been.
Just to say, I pity anyone who might pick up on my accent and think I 'deserve' policing.
True, but I think most people in tourism will understand that it's not the accent that is the criteria but the touristy behaviour (people dealing with tourists a lot know how to figure out who are the tourists and who are the residents, because they have to do that all the time where they live).
Reporting is not a step I take lightly. Tourists are still a strong potential for community spread imo. That will lessen soon, but there's been too many stories now of tourists not taking the situation seriously. That's understandable because they're on holiday and may not be up to speed with what is going on, but they're also less in the loop of the social structures currently supporting the big changes needed.
Went for a coffee in St Clair about a month back and was taken for being a tourist. Was funny because I reckon I might have been in NZ longer than the life span of the barista.
Well, Bill, I've had over half a century of people asking me "where I'm from" even though I thought I have a very obvious Maaori/Pakeha ancestry. The issue, supposedly, is that my accent doesn't match my looks. A very subtle way of reminding people that they don't belong.
That doesn't have to follow. My accent doesn't match my ancestry or where I come from … and I've had many people ask the same question over the years.
It never occurred to me that it could be some subtle 'microagressive othering'. People are just curious is how I read it.
These days I frame the question as “That accent is interesting, where is home for you?”
Good for you RL.
From my perspective, I consider that my accent does match my ancestry, for someone born and raised in NZ – this is the result. Your "never occurred", could mean that the question when made to you is genuine. Usually, for me, the question comes solely from Pakeha NZers – giving rise to the implication that someone with obvious Maori ancestry doesn't talk like that. That has been confirmed more than once by the follow up statement "Oh, you don't talk like a NZer", when I talk just like many other NZers. The reality is, they expected a different accent from the one they have. This – thankfully is not so prevalent now – but it still occurs, as one young person we had staying with us was asked several times in her place of work. Usually by older people.
Imagine how many of those NZers are asked where they come from because of their looks and their accent? I’m guessing non of them.
For the longest time I felt the same as Molly but it’s usually Uber drivers or co-workers doing it. Since they are from all over the place, it's just a natural question, so I try and be polite. Even though my family has been here for 5+ generations… people still think I’m “from” somewhere else. Really stupid, but reflective of 20+ years of scammy, dysfunctional immigration policy & demographic shock
All that needs to happen is they ask and you answer. No-one is suggesting reporting people on the basis of an accent.
It surprising, and interesting that most cases in NZ are from NZ residents returning with a few from tourists. There's been no cases popping up (YET) from tourism front liners.
Talking to other front liners in Queenstown everyone's got a personal story/stories of interactions with visitors with persistent dry coughs and / or looking feverish. These go from early March to present, especially in US and European markets. How we don't have many, many cases in Queenstown and all around the industry I don't understand.
Last week it was people who were saying they had been in the country for two weeks, but couldn't say where they had been. Then stories from visitors (US market) who said their tour had been cancelled and they had to find their own way home.
A neighbouring business owner came back from Sydney on 14th and got rounded up on Thursday and told he had to self isolate, was in a hell of a flap trying to find somewhere, bit tight in that area around town….
Other local phenomena are realestate signs sprouting on roadsides, and trailers loaded with household effects, cleared the flat and out of town. How this is going pan out if there is an outbreak here could be fun. Lots of people have lost jobs or had hours cut below survival in tourism / hospo.
Hot-spot, Q-town!
Can't imagine a better Petri dish! Spilling over into Riverton, naturally, but no-one's exempt from the instinct to gather until the last moment…
Yet most of the cases are related to NZers coming home from overseas. The most common Queenstown link is from being the defacto regional airport, more / cheaper flights than Dunedin or Invercargill. Cruise ships figure more too.
The cases from the Hereford conference are a worry, there were some sick puppies around that week. They also went on an extensive tour of the lower South Island.
I wonder if it's because the Chinese tourists stopped traveling so much early on? And other countries with high numbers also but a bit later. Some tourists probably went home early too. Would be interesting for someone to track cases leaving NZ and what happened on those flights, given how many tourists are here for a short time.
I'm hoping rents are going to drop in tourist towns. Maybe we're about to see a solution to the housing crisis too. All those Airbnb people wanting permanent tenants again.
I don't think we have much exposure to Hubai tourism wise, so missed out there, also the Chinese government pretty much banned overseas tour groups, late Jan I think. Here the virus is an American or European virus. Levels of awareness in those markets where non-existent.
Yeah, rents will drop here, but there will be NO work, so will be even more unaffordable.
As for the Airbnb lot, I know someone who borrowed 6 mill to build / buy a raft of properties for an Airbnb operation, ideally the properties are quite different to something you'd live in full time and their locations are more suited to that use. Was doing really well with it too. They're not very happy right now.
Housing problems here are demand driven, high rents when high demand and empty properties when there's no demand because there's no jobs.
"Here the virus is an American or European virus. Levels of awareness in those markets where non-existent."
But the time between high infections in those countries and us taking action was relatively short yeah?
Re Airbnb, I was thinking of the people that shifted their holiday homes from long term rentals to nightly.
Just read this thread. Apparently they're not quarantining new arrivals for another 4 days. Yikes.
https://twitter.com/algoriphagus/status/1241547516325138432
Think we'll discover that the virus had been circulating in US and Europe for far longer than we think. The delay due to denial "its just a hoax" in the west, followed by the consequences of that delay might make the initial Chinese response actually pretty efficient.
Thank you Ed. We need daily patrols of the police and military pulling elderly off the streets for flouting the new rules. Elderly caught in public without ID should be sent back into isolation.
Yeah, a few whacks with a baton, bushmaster pointed at their faces and confiscation of walking frames will teach them. 🙄
About people over 70, in the UK, as on Sunday 15th. I haven't found the update within the past week. UK Mar.15/20 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-5189587
Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks'
Every Briton over the age of 70 will be told "within the coming weeks" to stay at home for an extended period to protect themselves from coronavirus. When it happens, they will be asked to stay home for "a very long time", Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.
The government is to release social distancing advice for elderly people on Monday – but they will not yet be asked to self-isolate for long periods. Mr Hancock said the over-70s and people with certain health conditions would soon be asked to self-isolate – but he did not say for how long.
He told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show people without symptoms would still be able to visit older relatives and friends as long as they stayed 2m (6ft) away from them.
The health minister for Wales, Vaughan Gething, said it was "entirely possible" elderly people would be asked to self-isolate for long periods. "That shouldn't be a surprise," he added.
But the Scottish government said it had no plans to isolate the elderly, and would instead "ask them to reduce social contact". Jeane Freeman, Mr Hancock's counterpart in Scotland, said: "We don't want people who are elderly to be stuck in their homes alone not contacting anyone, with their families not able to be in touch with them and to help them.
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And good idea for supermarkets – One called Iceland, it's apparently a brand name, in West Belfast is opening early for the older person. (Iceland, a supermarket brandname! Have they lost their identity to commercial interests as we have lost 'kiwi'?)
Older people have enjoyed dedicated shopping sessions at some supermarkets as the coronavirus outbreak causes more people to stock up on goods.Pensioners were able to shop at Iceland and Lidl stores before general admittance to the public. In west Belfast, the local Iceland store at the Kennedy Centre opened its doors for older people only at 8am. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-17/older-people-enjoy-dedicated-shopping-sessions-at-supermarkets/
We're not under martial law. The announcement yesterday was a request not a mandate, and it wasn't a request to isolate in the way you are suggesting.
There are elderly people that still need to go out for food, they have no other way of getting it. They also need to get sunshine and fresh air and exercise to keep themselves healthy and to manage stress. They're not hurting anyone else by going outside so long as they follow the protocol. They should limit this, but it's not sensible to ban it.
Corona virus isn't airborne in the medical sense. At this stage elderly people aren't going to catch the virus so long as they don't have close contact with other people (2m distance, handwashing).
Please stop talking about locking people up. There are very good public health reasons to not do that at this stage.
My Mum's 76 this year and in frail health. I've told her to stay at home and call me if she needs anything. Countdown is still doing online shopping so I've had a stash of groceries delivered to her (I restrained myself and didn't buy 150 rolls of Purex 2-ply though) so hopefully, she'll be able to ride it out. I will confess to being a little concerned, however.
This from a UK over 70s expressing a request for using reason and not a blanket prejudice against the age group.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/70-healthier-lot-younger-folk-dont-make-go-lockdown/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter
From this weekend, we are being told to self-isolate for 12 weeks, which takes me back to my teenage years, when my father banned me from leaving the house, after I took up with a boy on a motorbike.
The item was published on Tuesday, 17 March so it may have been written pre-weekend or refer to the weekend starting Saturday, 21 March. The writer makes her points succinctly. Apparently the very large Italian death toll, being found to be among the elderly, needs to be viewed dispassionately.
The Italian population has apparently a large population of very elderly. The elderly people dying there have been largely in the 80s whose bodies have been suffering the degeneration that happens towards the end of life. It has been pointed out that the indication that coronavirus is the cause, masks the fact that they have had multiple health problems which they have kept at bay for the time being, and coronavirus is just the last straw – not a virus striking at a healthy, unlucky citizen.
World Health Organisation report of 2015 shows that for over 65's they have 21.7% compared to EU of 18.9%. http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/355985/Health-Profile-Italy-Eng.pdf?ua=1
Wired headline tells it: Why the Coronavirus Hit Italy So Hard
The country has the second-oldest population on earth, and its young mingle more often with elderly loved ones. https://www.wired.com/story/why-the-coronavirus-hit-italy-so-hard/
As the UK older says, give us over 65-70s a break and sensible guidelines that we are mature. wise and reliable enough to follow, please! And perhaps allow for Managed Demise for those in the older group, after certain legal steps have been followed, so we can go at our leisure with a plan probably for hearts and flowers, speeches, music, love etc. even if we have to be separated by a metre. It's called making the best of a bad job!
My parents are in their 80s. I'm worried too, but there are people around to make sure they are ok.
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My parents are in the high risk group – aged almost 90 with comorbidities.
Have been self-isolating for a couple of weeks … but stuck in a horrendously stressful situation.
Here's a quick overview:
https://subzpsubzp.blogspot.com/
And this comment: https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-16-04-2019/#comment-1608556 on The Standard early last year.
that is appalling….why isnt this individual in a secure mental health facility?
Cheers, pat.
Appreciate the support.
The most urgent concern for me at the moment is to prevent these kids – who've spent the past 4 months with their mother – suddenly being dumped on my Parents just in time for a 4 week (or just as likely 4 month) lockdown. Horrendous level of noise … like living under siege … 24/7 it'll be a living hell for them. High stress & sleep deprivation … just what two 90yos at high-risk of infection need to supress their immune system.
But this guy’s violence remains a major worry … and I'll need to make sure the Social Worker & Police supporting them remain closely in touch (just hope they don’t take time off work during the lockdown).
Yes, and a lot of over 70s are still working from necessity. Or looking after grandchildren. Or doing meals on wheels. etc. etc.
Are you serious? We haven't been put into enforced isolation and nor should we at this point. We've been asked to stay home and only venture out on necessary errands.
Trying to scapegoat the over 70s as senile old goats (and goatesses) who can't be trusted to act responsibly? How old are you?
I read Maui as being OTT witty. No more. Well, I hope so!
My old school mate living in Italy, who like me is 70 years old, says that in their restriction period they could be stopped by the police and had only two legitimate reasons for being outdoors off their premises. Who knows what powers the authorities will have in a phase three or four situation here in NZ?
Maybe you're right. He/she should have included an emoji or something. He/she is a great admirer of Ed's though so don't know.
I'm a few years older than you but I see you're on the cusp of becoming a senile old goat. Welcome to the club. 😛
I hope it was a joke, but mauī needs to clarify.
It's on all of us to make our sarcasm clear now.
From someone who's spent the past few years singing the praises of totalitarian thugs and war criminals?
I'm still willing to give people the benefit of the doubt to clarify 🙂
Certainly an alternative view point.
But then Māui's always been alternative, right?
(Unsure about that comma…)
mauī, it means something different than Māui.
Sorry auto capitalised, didn't proof read. Tired, grumpy, stressed, not as careful as I should be.
Even more so now that I've just got back the super where I couldn't get various things due to #*!@ing hoarders clearing out various product lines. Crazy
All good Alice. Hope your local supermarket settles down soon.
Also according to an RNZ report from Nelson Grey Power, many seniors don't have internet access, and aren't very up-to-date with current advice.
Having worked in Auckland libraries, I know there are some seniors, and some people not so old, who have an aversion to using the internet. Other oldies use it a lot.
But, also, some people on low incomes have relied on libraries for computer and internet access. Now Auckland Libraries are closed, so there will be quite a few people of all ages not getting online info.
Noticed that the library computers at our local branch are always being well – and sometimes inefficiently used.
The old system of radio relayed information would be worthwhile to implement and advertise during news programmes. Older citizens who are more likely to have no internet, are also probably more likely to have radios. I would think radios would be as informative, and perhaps more reassuring than watching the television to keep up with the latest updates.
Yes, the article also said that many seniors use radio, and that was an important info source for them. But, it also said some seniors were not well informed. Maybe it depends how often they listen to the radio, and the times they listen.
RNZ is adding public service announcements. Also on freeview TV channels there are sub titles/tickers with some Covid-19 updates – during movies, etc.
Counterproductive I would think. Stopping the elderly from walking, biking and other non contact recreation will probably kill more than coronavirus.
I think my 89 year old dad will go downhill fast without his daily bike ride.
The same is true for many younger people.
We are away sailing at present. Very easy way of avoiding people.
Such interesting social dynamics right now.
I think many people are starting to leave their politics outside the door because when it comes to the crunch it really is the last thing that matters.
Having said that just look at this:
Heather Du Plessus Allan on HoS. It's premium so can't read the rest and wouldn't bother anyway. That woman is as clueless and classless as a headless chook yet she gets premium status.
At least the regulars like Audrey Young, Claire Trevett and co. are professional journalists and deserve premium status even if you don't agree with them.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12318469
I read it at the café, and it is as bad as you surmise. Towards the end she criticises Simon B as well. But it struck me that even if Jacinda had played a lower profile just as HdP recommends, she would now be penning something like:
"While the Govt. measures are not bad in themselves, the problem remains that there is an obvious vacuum of leadership at the top. Jacinda Ardern has been hardly to be seen, and still leaves us all with the impression that she is weak and vacuous."
If Heather Duplicitous-Allan was in charge, we'd all die. I'm fairly comfortable with Jacinda's approach. It's all "This is serious, kids!" without resorting to police-state "All citizens must obey curfew under penalty of bludgeoning!" which is nice. I think she knows you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. However, you can't legislate against human stupidity and selfishness. I don't envy her. I doubt she ever imagined she'd be confronted with anything like this in her lifetime.
"I think she knows you catch more flies with honey than vinegar"
Love that!
"I'm good"….yes but nobody else is if you don't do it.
Some people live in their own selfish bubbles.
'zakly!
Calling out a Serial Liar
Go to the 29:00 mark and watch—without gagging, if you can….
So, come November, if the election goes ahead, Americans get to choose between a compulsive liar and a pathological liar. Great stuff.
At least Biden's 'on to it" – sent out a tweet asking that bailed out companies forego stock buy backs. Meanwhile, Trump has already banned stock buy backs in bail out legislation.
Please lets just get some reassurance from the maths in this most unwanted virus.
In Italy with 48000 notified cases in 60million population that is still less than 1 person in 1000 who has contracted it. Lets stop panicking our children, the vulnerable and of course the stupid 'preppers '.
Yes, it is nasty and we should take all nessecary precautions but we do need to keep it in proportion.
The death toll in Italy is a bit over the top but Italians are notoriously subversive when it comes to their governments and it appears that everyone who has died having Covid has been classified as having died from it by the medics, but the flu, emphysema and associated lung and heart disease numbers are way down on a normal year.
It may be just a way to " punish " the current government whatever iteration it happens to be this week.
…that is still less than 1 person in 1000 who has contracted it…
Thus far. This is estimated likely to infect 40 to 70% of the population, and the Italian health system is overwhelmed with only the cases they have already. Please take this seriously.
Only without the now in place precautions.
Italy had 624 death yesterday. a nothing burger, to punish the current government yeah, right Tui.
Oh, btw, this lung disease kills young people too. Just sayin.
Italy actually had 783 death's yesterday Sabine.
Weirdly Germany has had only 31 deaths from 14,000 infections; Italy's death rate is 40 times that of Germany. This is explained in part by this interesting article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/guymartin/2020/03/20/with-its-covid-19-caseload-spiking-to-14000-heres-why-germanys-mortality-rate-is-002-or-4000-times-lower-than-italys/#25e5a3a877ad
This is underway in NZ as I type, right?
Germany's hospitals are prepared in a really interesting, and good, way. Hotels are being cleared and set up as ersatz-hospitals for the less critically ill non-Covid-19 patients, which clears beds in extant hospitals for Covid-19 patients.
BG, the primary reason for that is that Italy is a prime tourist destination and in some areas, such as Lombardy the reaction for isolation etc was not implemented or too late.
You will not believe this, but in Salzburg Austria, which is in quarantine and all shops, restaurants etc are closed, buses wit tourists arrive. How is this possible? Nobody can answer this. Please accept that this is not a racist comment but the majority of tourists come from China where the virus first broke out.
I think we need to be prepared for a similar scenario over 12 or more weeks. It takes discipline to see this through. I am not sure whether the god of money will let this happen so easily. The hoarders rampaging through supermarkets in the last couple of weeks are part of that. I feel that the current situation will show whether the human race is civilized. I wont hold my breath though.
Yours and a couple of others relentless sour negativity is quite tiresome.
I'd use an ignore user feature if this site had one.
dude, i am sorry for the negativity, but this a actual reality.
so ignore me, feel free. But don't deny reality. Look at it, because 624 people died yesterday in Italy, bringing the death toll of this disease in 1 MONTH to over 4000.
that.is.reality.
not pessimism.
Reality.
It's not an aversion to reality, most people here seem to have a strong grip on the handle of the mad/sane door, it's you losing the plot in a very public way, because you aren't getting what you want from the government, and for a week where one can set a watch by it, predictable as it is.
It may be cathartic for you to express your right to free speech in such an ignorant and depressing manner, but it can't be helping much as there appears to be no end to the daily spews.
[Pack it in with the abuse and bullshit labeling – this is a forum for people to express their thoughts, concerns and opinions.] -B
Only a tiny percentage and only if they have other compromising conditions.
Tiny percentage of a very large number is still a large number, and in this case still quite capable of overwhelming a country's health system.
783 Sabine
Here are some facts about age and COVID-19: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
I believe the Italian stats are even more heavily skewed towards old age but this might be because they’re ‘ahead of the curve’.
The link provided by Bearded Git at 7.2.1….
My sister's two teenagers are scared shitless that the ICU their mother works in will be red zoned.
But accurate and timely public health messaging should be tempered because bad thoughts?
Well, bad thoughts, hoarding, and occasionaly mob violence.
There's a balance that needs to be had between the "it's not so bad, only .2% mortality rate" (which is still thousands of dead if half nz gets it, even if accurate) and the sort of messaging that empties supermarkets not because of any shortages but because the markets literally can't restock their shelves quickly enough.
Too far one way, people set up illegal roadblocks (and the next step is to arm the roadblock guards with firearms). Too far the other, the govt does fuckall then has to go straight to level 3 or 4 because they realise how badly they fucked up (UK).
DIY masks.
https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Cloth-Face-Mask/
Appropriate materials.
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
2006 CDC paper on using heavyweight t-shirts to make masks.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/6/05-1468_article
Open source Covid 19 med supply group..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/670932227050506
Good links. My partner has just gone through them and is putting the info to use tomorrow.
Cheers
Couple of tutorials.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzHi-m3zmZ-03I41wZWLcDQ
https://twitter.com/karlgude/status/1241398424697737216
A rock and a hard place
Dr Baker's call for lockdown and testing makes much sense in the immediate …
"Baker, a professor at Otago University's Department of Public Health, wants "very intense social distancing for a period, maybe two to four weeks, while we're ramping up testing and then do a lot of testing and once the testing's done then we'll feel much more comfortable that we've got it under control".
"It's extremely inconvenient to do this but the alternative is we follow everywhere else in the world, excluding parts of Asia, towards a certain future of widespread transmission."
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/03/21/1094258/the-case-for-lockdown-now
However what occurs when those two/four weeks are up and we have expended our current testing capacity?…and will we be able to obtain more of these resources in the world of rampant demand?
"Already, experts say, our testing regime risks being overwhelmed. In comment provided through the Science Media Centre, University of Otago Associate Professor James Ussher, Labtests director Gary McAuliffe and Canterbury DHB Dr Joshua Freeman say "diagnostic labs are really struggling to maintain testing capacity due to supply chain issues, which will be ongoing, as they are worldwide".
Bloomfield said on Wednesday there were 30,000 swab tests in the country for Covid-19."
At current testing rates (the past couple of days increased level) those kits will be used in 20 days and this pandemic is widely expected to run for months /years.
The politicians are earning their money with this one
Limited testing is how it spreads.
https://twitter.com/sir_vickz/status/1241098421794033664
the virus spreads through contact.
Testing provides information that may (stress may) be used to mitigate the spread
I saw this last night and it made me so despairing (and I use that word sparingly) that at the moment I could not bring myself to safely repost it:
Time to name it for what it is … hoarding.
I understand people are afraid, but they're also self-absorbed shitheads. Cut it out, New Zealand. It's not funny. What if that was your Nana?
And the only people who can afford to hoard food are the ones with money.
People with no money often live day to day and shop day to day.
Would be appropriate to see supermarkets open to gold card holders (with limits on products) for the first hour of every day (would be super clean then too), the next hour for community service card holders and then everyone else.
Exactly. RNZ checkpoint interviewed some people at a supermarket. One woman, sounded like probably in her 40s, said she'd bought enough supplies to last for 6 weeks. You need the money, and a big freezer and pantry to store that amount of stuff.
The woman sounded quite matter of fact, and didn't seem to have any shame about such bulk buying.
That dedicated shopping time is already being offered by UK supermarkets.
I'd suggest a further step, and close shop for the purpose of restocking shelves. If the people who restock fall over….and (though I hate the damned things) go 100% self service and have the checkout staff redirected to shelf stocking too.
I live well out of town and shop every fortnight … It would not be great to come in and find I am short supplied by product limiting. You will have to re think the "rules" for limiting to make it possible for me to buy my groceries in one trip to town. .
Also, it seems to me that product limiting is per supermarket visit. So, what's to stop someone returning an hour later and buying more of the limited item; or 2 or more people from the same household each buying to the product limit at the same time?
When I come into town there is usually other things needed for the farm etc so I don,t want to have to return several times on the same day to get around product limitation, but yes, good idea take someone else along with me to pick up another ration of the limited stuff I need to fill my two weekly shopping list.
Where would you put the immune compromised shoppers?
I realise it is best for this group to stay home.
I would like more health information for some conditions in particular autoimmune disorders. I am not sure if this is immune compromised as often it is when the immune disorder is active when you feel the most unwell. The full blood count can jump around a bit.
Yes, preppers = hoarders.
It's a pretty accurate metaphor for the total wealth and property disparity of New Zealand:
– housing hoarding
– savings hoarding
– disposable income for healthcare
– life one payday away from crisis
– business ownership of more than $1m equity
It's simply that this specific crisis has unmasked our total crisis in inequality and poverty
Yes. I would express the same sentiment but framed from a slightly different angle; wealth itself is not the problem (after all who exactly is for poverty), but the irresponsible use of it.
Too much wealth in too few hands, is the problem.
Simple arithmetic, when resources have finite constraints.
For a few to have way to much, it is necessary for many to have way too little.
Not political, just basic subtraction.
As recent events have graphically illustrated.
Thursday midday I walked around with an empty trolley. No bread left. Almost no meat/chicken and other essential commodities. As I walked out… handed my empty trolley back to the manageress on duty… told her what I thought of the selfish shoppers coming in early and taking everything so that older and often disabled people missed out… asked that they start to ration out essential items. She told me she would be in touch with Countdown management.
That evening Countdown announced it would ration out essential products… open an hour early to re-stock all the shelves and close an hour early. I'm sure I was not the only upset customer around the country, and I can't thank the staff enough for how splendidly they have responded to the situation. They deserve a medal when this is over.
Good story, the supermarket staff must hate this more than any of us.
Supermarket management in NZ have been rather slow in getting on top of this. Here in Brisbane many of the big operators like Coles now have police or security staff at the checkouts to enforce limits.
But without clear rules it's hard to enforce; and no-one is going to like it when the govt is forced to act.
Security in supermarkets, who would have thought, but my kids mum was abused and threatened with physical assault while waiting in line, for standing "too close" to someone. My hope is the hoarders spend the next few weeks away from the supermarkets, as they have got their food, and leave the rest of us who are just shopping normally, in peace.
"My hope is the hoarders spend the next few weeks away from the supermarkets, as they have got their food, and leave the rest of us who are just shopping normally, in peace. "
Good thinking, IFL
really good thinking.
The most greedy supermarket shoppers, would shop in numbers from the same home and have a trolley each.
Red, it's an important thing you raise. I hope this ok, but I removed the photo. I think the woman deserves her privacy. It's also going to be too hard to look at for many people who are already overwhelmed.
Hoping we can use this sad story to prompt discussion about actions people can take to stop people being left like this.
Well here is a good example of using the power of the internet for good:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/volunteer-army-responds-to-coronavirus-covid-19-crisis/12064018
This is where the 40-year long propaganda onslaught about people 'naturally' being "rational self-maximisers" leaves us – old ladies weeping in deserted aisles. Can we exhume Milton Friedman's corpse and stick his skull on a pike?
Well. If you expect over 70’s to self isolate for weeks, and others for two weeks, buying up in advance is not necessarily, selfish. It is necessary for many. One of Our local supermarkets has stopped online orders for a week, to catch up.
With little kids and elderly relatives at home, we are trying to keep two weeks ahead for 7 people, without buying too much at once. But then, we need to limit the amount of times we go shopping, as we don’t want to expose them to more than necessary.
Then there are elderly neighbours
we are offering to shop for, as well?
It's my understanding that only a small minority of people are in self-iso at present. Even if they all shopped up for two weeks I can't imagine their small numbers would strip supermarket shelves bare. And if you do need to shop in bulk for legit reasons, it might be a good idea to take some documentation to support this, otherwise everyone just turns up claiming they're shopping for 16 kids and a street full of relies.
If we wait for govt to act, it will be ration cards and all that comes with that.
What we are seeing is the end game of a society that has demanded nothing by 'rights' for generations. Which while these are fine and good things, every 'right' comes with an complementary obligation on someone else. We've allowed our conversation about 'responsibilities' to lag very far behind, and now we pay the price.
About 39 years ago, at a time and place pivotal in my life, I asked a question about the purpose of what we were doing, and the answer was "We are a people of duty". I thought it a bit dull at the time, but with time I understand it more and more.
That basic social contract from a citizen to the states of Australia or of New Zealand doesn't get pulled up with such a forceful tug too often. The most we rise to it usually is win a decent flood and we're all implored to pile up the sandbags together which then get reported n the TV news with warm bromides about community spirit.
We haven't had that called upon on a national scale in living memory – perhaps for those in their mid 80s who can still recall World War 2. That rules out 85% of us with no such understanding of deep social contract.
While we are figuring out what this new all-powerful all-subsidising state looks like, we have to address this spectacular growth in our state dependence is only possible because citizens will in future pay taxes to service the whole of the debt getting piled up.
That's a great moment for a new generation to write that societal contract anew.
That's a great moment for a new generation to write that societal contract anew.
Yes, but they will have to rediscover the words necessary to such a task.
Aye
Obviously there are people hoarding, who shouldn’t be.
Often the same people who already have too much, and could easily afford deliveries and inflated prices.
But. Expecting poor people to honour a “social contract” when they have experienced rich people dumping on them their entire lives, is a bit much.
Why do you expect them not to grab what they need ASAP, before it is priced out of reach, after the example of the well off, “there is no such thing as society” for the last 35 years. Expecting prices to rise beyound their reach, and the wealthy to grab everything, simply coincides with their lived experience for most of their lives.
After telling everyone for decades the greedy are superior people, you expect social cohesion?
Expecting poor people to honour a “social contract” when they have experienced rich people dumping on them their entire lives, is a bit much.
Indeed. I wrote to that exact point; the rich do indeed have a responsibility to use their wealth wisely.
As do the poor have a similar responsibility to use their time, talents and energy wisely.
The two come as a package, by all means demand the former, but the left is rather prone to making excuses around the latter.
And the right persists on having expectations of responsibility on poor people’s part, which would never be expected, of rich people.
There are reasons! Not excuses, why poor people cannot use their time and talents wisely. Being too hungry to learn at school is just one. Which I’ve seen, way too often.
Read up on the many research articles about what being poor and stressed, does to cognitive ability.
We've been down this conversation many times before, this isn't the right thread to continue it.
?Open Mike, is it not?
Inconvenient to worry about poor people at this time?
I'm not allowed to upset people![devil devil](https://cdn.ckeditor.com/4.11.3/full-all/plugins/smiley/images/devil_smile.png)
I find that quite upsetting 😉
I can't remember my login/password for TS. Everything I've tried I get a temporary lockout.
I think weka knows how to reset your password. I could try but better to leave to a safe pair of hands 😉
Thanks. I can wait. I recall posting without logging in can have its draw backs.
I'll have a look this afternoon.
Thanks. It may just be a password issue. Tried my email address plus p/word. Then tried Carolyn_nth and CarolynS plus p/word – didn't try logging in via wordpress
I DMed you 🙂
hmm, I'm confused now how you have a gravatar if not logged in.
The gravatar may go with my email address?
and thanks, weka
Logged in now.
It should not be allowed. Its uncivilized and inhuman.
Anyone care to give an idiots guide to the wage subsidies?
After hearing from a couple of business owners how they got money from the government, my boss is now toying with the idea of applying. The business will suffer a drop in revenue after the ban on gatherings of 100 or more, so will qualify on that basis. How does that affect me as an employee? Do I get made redundant? How do I get paid, through her or someone else? Do I have to sign on? etc. I only work 24pw, but that is classed as full time, do I receive the full subsidy of $585 (more than I get now) per worker or my regular wage? or does my boss get the full amount, pay my wages as usual, and get to keep anything extra if given by the government?
With level two here, I am, as an immune deficient diabetic, asked to stay at home like 70+ seniors, so what are my options regarding employment? It's a very confusing time to decide, or even know, the best course of action.
As an aside, my employer told me that with the minimum wage, I'll have to lose an hour per week to cover the raise. 🙄
Your boss can apply for wage subsidies for all of his staff that are on a regular wage.
Shit out of luck are self employed, gig'ers, etc that are on irregular income or are doing a draw out once a year.
But your boss should do this – if he can prove that he has had losses of at least 30%, he can revceive a subsidy for you for up to twelve weeks – this is my understanding – and this be a non refundable aid. it wont' be your full salary if you are above min wage as it only covers min wage. In saying that those that can apply for it should.
https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/eligibility/emergencies/2020/coronavirus.html
Thanks @Pat. On the phone now, but not really wanting to tie up the line for people with more pressing needs.
I did find that there is an isolation subsidy called the Leave Payment.
The COVID-19 leave payment will be paid at a flat rate of:
$585.80 to a person working 20 hours or more per week
$350.00 to a person working less than 20 hours per week.
Employers receiving the payment for employees who are required to self-isolate can receive it for 14 days. As people may be required to self-isolate more than once, employers will be able to apply for this on an ‘as needed’ basis. It can be paid for the entire period an employee is sick (or looking after a dependent person who is sick) with COVID-19 but the employer must apply every 14 days.
https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/covid-19-support.html#null
My question is do 70s and immune affected people meet the requirement when told to stay at home as they are in the level 2 alert.
had wondered the same thing but more in line with level 3 and 4
Thanks, good to have solid information.
Your last question is important, I'm guessing there will be more info available this week. But on the face of it the MoH guidelines are not yet including people who are being told to stay home from yesterday (which isn't a self-isolation but a recommendation).
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-health-advice-general-public/covid-19-self-isolation#who
@Pat and @weka
Just got off the winz hotline and still none the wiser, really, but thanked the operator from all of us anyway.
The way I see it is stay at home means just that, and even though I wasn't told I was eligible or not, to do that, the leave scheme is my only option other than quitting. Advice to talk to my boss about it is okay, but I know she'll expect me to work so she can get the in work payment and get my labour for free.
I guess it comes down to whether being told to stay at home trumps being told to go to work.
I am scheduled for a call from a nurse when they're free, though, for some reason I didn't quite catch why.
I will ask for her to apply for the leave scheme on a recurring basis until the alert advice has been removed, what happens from there is then her call. She will say I work alone and only have contact with her in the mornings and minimal to others, but she is still working (over 70 and a health risk) in a retail environment, and I work in all weathers, at high risk of seasonal weather and resulting sickness, weakening my system exponentially. All right in the sun, the wind and rain, not so much.
The nurse just rang me back and said I should tell my boss I've been advised to ask for her to apply for the leave scheme. If she doesn't comply, I'm to call MSD and let them know.
Gearing up for the coming fight this morning. The end game was my boss telling me my hours will be cut to pay for my minimum wage increase.
That was never going to end well.
That’s a bit of a bastard 🙁
Have you got that in writing?
Don't know the details, but I do know an org that had a decent payment from govt in a few days of applying, so no interruption to payroll. Didn't seem to be too hard and took a chunk of stress away.
I had to work at a wedding yesterday, 75 people, one pm through after midnight, and a couple of guests told my boss how easy and quick it was to get the wage subsidy, so I can see why she's fully on board now, even if she wasn't when I told her about it last week.
If I weren't deemed higher risk, I'd be more than thankful for the 90 days job security – great initiative, but I'm not sure, with the alert advice, it's in my best interest long term.
Case update, read the whole thread.
https://twitter.com/melulater/status/1241517190597115904
yep, stuff here
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120475561/coronavirus-two-more-coronavirus-cases-in-taranaki
Italy.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/italy-to-close-down-all-productive-activity-except-for-indispensable-factories/
This ad really pissed me off! On Stuff, an ad for debt consolidation loans and a limited time offer of 12.99% p.a. on new loans of $20k or more. Under the circumstances, I’d call this unethical advertising. For obvious reasons, no link here 🙁
i got an email from the bank – i don't have any loans what so ever on my business – that they happily would lend me money for buisness continuency at a 1% discount. These fuckers just got money for free and they have the gall to do that.
In saying that, the government did nothing to prevent that either. Its not 'unethical advertising, its about the sum many small businesses like mine – businesses thad are not debt laden – to make it over then next 6 month i.e. cover leases, rates, building insurances, electricity, water. Overheads. For most of us that would be largly enough. We could shut, stay at home, and when life is going back to a new normal maybe pick up where we left.
it would allow us to pay creditors, most whom are local businesses – packaging, printing, web hosting, etc etc – and again it would help the landlords that have mortgages to service to continue to service their mortgages.
But as the Convid-19 bail out plan said as per the Spin Off, we are to talk to our 'financial advisors' or to our banks and when w have exhausted all of our means we can apply with Winz and be beneficiaries.
So don't blame the banks. They are doing what they were told to do by our Government.
Yes, I received a courtesy e-mail from my bank too. However, the ad is not for/from a bank but from a moneylender charging an eye-watering interest rate. People and businesses (SMEs) are struggling financially and it will get worse but they should not become easy prey for and fall victim to unscrupulous lenders. If I was ‘blaming’ anybody or anything, I was blaming Stuff for placing the ad.
bank, money lender, loan shark….its all the same.
everyone has bills to pay, stuff has, i have, the businesses in my town have. today i made enough moeny to pay one of my creidtors. Yei fucking me.
nevermind, that i and everyone else should be at home, trying to deprive the virus of hosts. Yet, here we go work, as the government can't be bothered to either by emergency degeree to stop predatory lending – and this is what i consider it, predatory, as most of us not on the government tit have no way of paying any loans back any time soon, or be prepared to offer no interst loans to us that we can start paying back once we have a new normal that allows people to work.
Stuff, has bills to pay so they allow for the ads that are paid for. I have bills to pay so I go to work – potentially getting infected myself, potentially infecting others, and it is just a shit show.
In the meantime, i have gone through liters of santizers, santizing down eftpos terminal, benches, shop surfaces after every single customer, the hand sanitzer by the door is slowly but surly coming to an end, delivering, taking online orders, hoping every day to just make enough to just pay one more bill. (And i have been doing that since February).
I am done putting the blame on capitalism, banks and so on and so forth, we have a government that can and should regulate, can and should use emergency decrees, can and should send checks to everyone, and i mean everyone, so that we are not going to have a country full of homeless, highly indebted people who will never ever be able to get themselves out of it.
And so far all i am hearing is crickets.
I am wondering if the supermarket will finally give the vulnerable and over 70's a designated hour for shopping to protect them from possible infected other shoppers. The supermarkets are frenetic at the moment and in our particular area there doesn't seem to be any door control on keeping numbers down in the shop at any one time like clubs do with bouncers.
I have a daughter in the US and she said her partner aged 62 is shopping at a designated time in their Baltimore supermarket and she can't understand why this hasn't been implemented here. Hopefully this will come in and for front line staff and emergency workers who are so stressed right now. Right from the beginning a method of rationing should have been put in place. Two of everything in the long life section. It should have been policed hard and still should be in place. Leaving it to the goodwill of people is an exercise doomed to failure. People need to be instructed and steered in the right direction like road rules etc.
Now we over 70's have been obliged to isolate it is going to be even worse for food shopping. The click and collect and home deliveries will not be able to cover everybody so are we now going to be named and shamed if we dare to go out once a fortnight to stock up the pantry??
Meanwhile everybody look out for each other on this rocky ride ahead.
Yep. The home deliveries also need to be expanded, but that means more staff at supermarkets. And the cost of home deliveries will be too much for some seniors.
Younger bulk buying hoarders should hang their heads in shame. This has resulted in the restricted hours, which makes physical distancing harder.
"Leaving it to the goodwill of people" is a fine idea, but now it's proved a failure, it's time to impose rules. Funny you mention road rules, every time I drive I see people flout them, so maybe not a great analogy. As far as supermarkets and what you think they should do, ring the supermarket, email the company, don't wait for the govt, if people hassle the supermarkets enough they will do something.
I've sent 2 emails to Countdown – only supermarket in my area. First to ask them if they were going to expand their home delivery and PickUp options, and questioning the cost of deliveries now that 70yrs+ and health compromised people have been advised to stay at home.
The 2nd was to complain that I tried to place an order for home delivery and couldn't make it work – turns out their instructions are not good enough. A blank time/day slot does not mean it's available, need to find a slot that has "available" printed in it. So it means there were no "available" slots yesterday when I tried to place an order.
Our local P&S has a two of any item limit, enforced through the checkout, you try and scan three of one item and the red light comes on and it all stops. Evidently Countdown is the same. Stopped it all in it's tracks, shelves all as full as normal at 7 pm, and everyone relaxed.
They are also trolling the hoarders by putting lines that have been panic bought on good specials in prominent places shortly afterwards. You've had to walk around half a dozen pallets piled high with loo paper for the last week, right inside the door on a good price. They are going down, slowly. Same thing with canned tomatoes.
We the People
We the People are meant to be lucky to have the strange words of little Heather de Plessis.
But, She struggles and slides backwards so regularly, spraying female vitriol for all of us to trample upon.
Fortunately, she seems to seek the warm loving advances of strange Simon Bridges.
It causes Her and Simon to flop around trying to kick the brilliance out of Jacinda Ardern.
Two backward Loosers
Just vitriol thanks.
well to be fair, she would have a hard time spraying male vitriol 🙂
Saw a disturbing video in NZH this morning of a supermarket in Auckland earlier today (sorry can't find the article now to put up a link).
When the doors opened by what seemed like security guards, a never ending, snaking line of panic buying shoppers entered, young, old and in between. It seemed to go on and on and on forever with people packed close together, creating an extremely dangerous environment for virus spread, going against everything we have been advised what to and what not to do in public areas!
Ignorance, selfishness and greed to the extreme. I feel so ashamed to be part of the human race at times!
Henderson, Lincoln Rd, PaknSave.
With queues of people not keeping 1 meter distance. Message is probably not getting through to many low income people and elderly. Some innovative communications required.
People are probably just scared as they see other countries locking down.
I think it is a primeval urge surfacing in times like these. Don,t be so surprised.
And epidemics become pandemics.
Prague, March 21 (CTK) – The data on the payment by bank cards assembled by the Czech technological group COVID19CZ last week have shown that 46 percent of returnees from Italy did not observe at least once the rules of the two-week quarantine, the server Seznam Zpravy said today.
On March 6, the government imposed the quarantine on the returnees from holiday in Italy in order to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus infection.
https://news.expats.cz/weekly-czech-news/46-of-czech-residents-returning-from-italy-did-not-obey-quarantine-says-data-from-bank-cards/
For what it is worth, As we are in our seventies(in fact one in the eighties) My wife and I have started on an Excel spread sheet all our movements from last Wednesday when we had to go down to the "Why you're up her" We have isolated ourselves as Ardern has requested since yesterday (Sat 21st)
Simple to do as we have used our EFTPOS card and all the receipts give times and dates of any transaction and names of people who we have had dealings with. We have also listed others we know who we have come into contact with. If the worse comes to the worse our movements date & time are recorded and hopefully it will help to track others.
Good idea.
"Remove shopping trolleys. Could work? Carry or Baskets only."
Elegantly funny and appropriate, I reckon.
https://talk.whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/uploads/default/original/2X/0/0ad1e732af8579515d1c2613033a104f04c75107.jpeg
[deleted the embed, way to big sorry – weka]
Yeap works for my disability – then it would mean I just can't shop.
Nothing quite like the power to indefinitely detain your opponents without trial to make your problems go away.
The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the coronavirus spreads through the United States.
[…]
The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress. In making the case for the change, the DOJ document wrote that individual judges can currently pause proceedings during emergencies, but that their proposal would make sure all judges in any particular district could handle emergencies “in a consistent manner.”
The request raised eyebrows because of its potential implications for habeas corpus –– the constitutional right to appear before a judge after arrest and seek release.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023
Gilead here we come
I would like to see ACC suspend a review. I do not want to use up any more energy arguing.
I would like to think that there is always food to eat in NZ. It might not be what you usually eat proportion wise for the duration of a pandemic.
There might come a time when there is a fresh outside market selling fruit and vegetables in every supermarket carpark as a temporary measure.
Some orchards might open up their orchard to the public.
"Some orchards might open up their orchard to the public."
….providing they wear masks
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120474932/liberty-market-refuses-entry-to-customers-not-wearing-face-mask-or-scarf?cid=app-android&fbclid=IwAR3c_NssBKJbWj-itRkAe3TMnnfwUDehSboCNbP5_o4xPBqZ4qitGqFhqf0
And face masks need to be available to wear. I did not follow it up but I did hear that some of the NZ health stock of masks were disintegrating.
Ok fuel emissions would not be healthy.
Farmers markets to operate four times a week would be sensible. Not just a day each weekend.
Just saw on the news the Otara food market has to shut. Physical distancing is an issue.
Out of the box and a safe way of delivering food is required.
Queues are a hotspot.
Funny, in the past socialists had a global brotherhood thing going on – care and regard for working people across the globe.
Not anymore I guess.
In good news, that Samoan case of suspected covid-19 came back negative.
Lot's of relieved folk there, I bet.
tRump's fuckwittery circles the globe.
The Lagos State Government has warned against the unprescribed use of Chloroquine, an antimalarial drug, as preventive or curative drug against the Coronavirus disease.
The warning is coming following the announcement of the United States President, Donald Trump, that the drug can now be used to treat Coronavirus.
The announcement has been countered by the country’s Food and Drug Administration, which said it had not approved the use of the drug for treatment against Coronavirus.
The Lagos State Commissioner for Health, Akin Abayomi, warned residents to avoid consumption of Chloroquine without prescription, noting that it could cause more harm than good to their health.
Governor Babajide Sanwo-Olu during a live broadcast also cautioned residents against panic-buying of Chloroquine drugs, foodstuff and other household items.
http://saharareporters.com/2020/03/21/chloroquine-can-cause-more-harm-good-lagos-warns-residents
Poots lying? Nah….
Russia, which has a population of 144 million, has reported just 199 coronavirus cases and some doctors have questioned how far the official data reflects reality, given what they say is the patchy nature and quality of testing.
A sharp spike in pneumonia cases in Moscow, Russia’s biggest transport hub and a city with a population of around 13 million, has further raised doubts.
“I have a feeling they (the authorities) are lying to us,” said Anastasia Vasilyeva, head of Russia’s Doctor’s Alliance trade union.
The government says its statistics are accurate however, and President Vladimir Putin has complained that Russia is being targeted by fake news to sow panic.
The number of cases of pneumonia, which can be caused by coronavirus, increased by 37 percent in Moscow year-on-year in January, according to Rosstat, Russia’s statistics agency.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-coronavirus-health-russia-idUSKBN216305
Surely an upright man of principle like Pootee wouldn't do that. Nor would he seize the opportunity to spread more distrust and chaos in the west.
https://www.dw.com/en/is-russia-running-a-coronavirus-disinformation-campaign/a-52864106
Putin is sending the army into Italy with urgent emergency airlift.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-italy/russian-army-to-send-coronavirus-help-to-italy-after-putin-phone-call-idUSKBN219081?il=0
And that's exactly what we should be seeing here if there were thousands of cases in NZ. If Putin can't cover it up, NZgov doesn't have a chance.
I was looking for something like this earlier today.
RNZ reports:
It does not seem to have got off the ground that much yet. they are asking small businesses to use their online ordering & their own home delivery services
Maker2U about web page
I'm gonna sign up as a buyer and see if there's any small stores near me doing home deliveries.
http://www.fromthefarm.co.nz is also up and running for online buying … just needs more producers to start listing on it. It is totally free for buyers and sellers to use.
My asthmatic SO has received the work from home order. The IT knobs are arranging for some kit to be delivered, I've sorted a click and pick up grocery account, on the cusp of being at risk myself, and that's it, we're both home for the foreseeable.
I see over 3000 health professionals have begged the government to go to level 4 immediately. Seems sensible to me.
Btw, I cannot believe that Queenstown has few cases. Bars cafes thousands of folk in close contact with a very high tourist content. Not a living brain cell among the lot if them. It seems beyond belief that random tests are not being done there. The place should be shut down IMHO.
Link for the 3000 thing please.
3000 ask for Level 4
"Baah!Sorry seems like this page does not exist"
This should work.
It’s something to take notice of, but there are policy issues beyond ICU capacity at work. How do we feed people if the country is in complete “stay at home… or else” quarantine? Hoarders will feel smug up until they need something and very few people are around to supply it.
Thank you
"Almost 3,000 people, including front-line health workers, are petitioning the Government to activate Covid-19 Alert Level Four immediately."
There are two petitions now due to non medical staff,completing the first
https://www.change.org/p/medical-professionals-to-pm-ardern-4-measures-to-protect-nz-from-covid19#pressreleaselink
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScV1oGY6okUuofXo4919-uzVpJqi_ClIrLptwpCMs0FDgyx4A/viewform
NZ probably has some massive infrastructiure problems, not just with the health system – legacy of 3 decades of neoliberalism.
If NZ went straight to level 4, how would that be implemented? Martial Law?
I suspect the government is trying to lead the country there through steps, so people understand how and why. Some people still haven't got the message about social distancing and non-hoarding.
We are not an authoritarian state like countries that went early for lock down.
The infrastructure problem is in the building and management.Too many managers with clipboards,checklists and not enough hammers,and spanners.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/119514577/12000-monthly-bill-for-lights-and-heating-at-empty-west-coast-hospital
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/410719/new-christchurch-hospital-building-beset-by-delays-and-two-years-behind-schedule
The 3000 bed hospital in CHCH has 18 icu beds with negative pressure rooms.
According to your links, the west coast one should be operational about now, and the chch one is fixing the shit that was badly done initially and not found until checks. Rather than too many managers, one seems to have been done properly and the other wasn't managed well enough.
I suspect level 4 implementation would be managed friendly like initially, but then go a bit Sleeping Dogs after the point people should know, yeah.
Is level 4 no leaving your home at all, not even to go for a walk?
Instructed is a clear word, when the state uses it.
Looking through that Level 3 is being brought in now. Moves to non face to face primary health care, and public facilities being closed, at least here in Queenstown.
Yeah there's a lot of crossover between mass gatherings restrictions and closing public facilities.Haven't looked around dunners too much lately, but I expect a lot of bars will have shut, too. 100 people or a metre radius around each punter wouldn't allow enough punters to open, pay topup or not.
A quick walk around Qtn yesterday most businesses were bleeding money, hospo and retail.
With the wording around the wage subsidy there's an imperative to keep staff employed, in a public facing situation this mightn't be the smartest right now.
Hospos that had punters there were a lot of goodbyes being said, others nearly more staff than punters, and all residents.
Good comment.
I expect that we’ll have Level 3 in or within a week.
This is how I read it too. That it's about the logistics of shifting eventually to level four, and allow people time to adjust and prepare (mentally as well as practically).
Agree with you about so few cases in Queenstown, a minor miracle there. Part of it is few tourists in last couple of months and I think good luck around where they came from. Today the place was like the depths of the off season in the middle of May, very few about, just residents. Everyone is being very vigilant and unwell people have been got help.
The Hereford conference last week might have been the end of that by the looks.
Everyone is expecting the place to be shut very soon. There's been a lot of government people in town past week and the panic buying was jumped on very quickly and effectively. The consequences of advanced cases here doesn't bear thinking about, or in any small town in New Zealand for that matter. The nearest hospital in Invercargill is 2 hours away by road, or 30min by air, Dunedin is 40 min by air or 3 1/2 hours by road.
Wouldn't be surprised if we aren't Level 4 by the end of the week.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120481673/coronavirus-shane-jones-says-now-is-not-the-time-to-regulate-freshwater
"Now is not the time to regulate fresh water" – Shane Jones
Disaster capitalism, right here, right now.
Letter to Prime Mininster Jacinda Ardern
COVID-19 AND GAZA
22 March 2020
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COVID-19 AND GAZA
The more than two million people living in the blockaded Gaza strip in Palestine are being left to face the Coronavirus with hopelessly inadequate medical facilities and extreme overcrowding – conditions in which the virus will spread rapidly and devastatingly unless action is taken now.
The usual medical and public policy advice to Palestinians cannot hope to deal with this terrifying scenario. Health officials warn that if the virus enters Gaza, containment and treatment under the Israeli blockade will be nearly impossible.
Gaza’s hospitals are already unable to cope with “normal” medical situations. In March last year the United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator for the occupied Palestinian territory, Mr. Jamie McGoldrick, reported on Gaza’s "chronic power outages, gaps in critical services, including mental health and psychosocial support, and shortages of essential medicines and supplies."
In similar vein the Israeli human rights organisation B’Tselem has reported that, even before coronavirus, Gaza’s barely functioning hospitals are dealing with the fallout from thousands of injuries which have resulted from murderous Israeli sniper fire on demonstrators in the ”Great March of Return” protests on the Gaza side of the security fence.
97% of all Gaza’s water is not fit to drink and Gazan hospitals don’t have enough clean water even for medical staff to wash safely. Simply calling on people to wash their hands regularly and keep social distances is a recipe for an unmitigated human catastrophe.
The situation is little better in the occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank where, as a result of Israeli’s brutal military occupation, medical facilities are also inadequate with serious shortages of basic medical equipment, trained personnel and essential medical supplies.
The looming human catastrophe is clear. When medically well supplied countries like Italy and South Korea have struggled to contain the virus there is no way the hospitals in Gaza or the occupied Palestinian territories will be able to cope.
Each year New Zealand votes at the United Nations for the end of Israel’s military occupation of the West Bank and blockade of Gaza.
It’s now critical for the government to back up those votes with effective political action. We urge you to put the welfare of Palestinians alongside concern for New Zealanders and speak out calling for Israel to end its blockade of Gaza and military occupation of the Palestinian territories and allow Palestinians to access the medical supplies and equipment they need to deal with this crisis.
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https://www.psna.nz/petition
you know better than to do long cut and pastes. Next time I'll delete a lot more if the work if editing is left up to me.
maybe we can do what El Salvador did
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/el-salvador-to-offer-relief-for-those-hit-by-coronavirus
And idiots thought a tRump presidency would put an end to neocon PNAC aspirations.
https://twitter.com/pkmacdonald/status/1241348720278503424
Just put new rubber on the mobility scooter, Satire Radials.
Cervecería Modelo are not going to call their new brew Blonde or Pilsener, it'll be Corona Viris. As brand awareness goes, to date, Cervecería Modelo have received 4 trillion dollars worth of free global advertising before they even launch their new bottle with the 'Lick Test' label.
Some informed comment
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018739583/professor-gary-mclean-no-age-group-is-immune-from-covid-19
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018739589/dr-michael-baker-covid-19-update-and-listener-q-and-a
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018739595/peter-doherty-people-should-act-as-though-they-have-covid-19
Should we use international law academics for mandatory Covid 19 vaccine testing?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30373-1/fulltext