So Colin Craig is on the ropes and the Conservatives are, (according to the NZ Herald at least), dead meat without him.
Be careful what you hope for. His primary agitator is Conservative Party Board member John Stringer, a former National party candidate for Chch Central. And from memory he also boasts of an earlier job in the UK Conservatives under Margaret Thatcher
So if the CP dissolve from infighting and lack of visible leadership, where will their 3.75% or so constituency return to? Primarily to the Nats of course.
Labour is way better served with the Conservative Party under the threshold, and getting gifted 25-35% of their vote via MMP.
and if the conservatives stay they will form a coalition with National. so it does not matter essentially, as the voters of the conservatives would not vote for Labour anyways.
I don’t see the issue really, other then that the National Party might not want the out and proud conservative force on their team. Might be better hiding them in a third party that one does business with because it serves a Purpose?
Sabine, you assume that they will somehow, miraculously, cross the 5% threshold.
Im with the Herald – they are deadmeat and if they survive (doubtful in my view) any votes they get will go into the pool to be split out amongst the parties in Parliament
While I would like to agree with you, being a National voter and all, I see most of the vote going towards NZFirst being that most of Colin craigs supporters will be nutters
the same could be said about the current National Voters.
Really, one good thing National did in the last seven years that went to the profit of the country and not just themselves. And would you think that the national party of past would be happy with the current lot.?
Nutters, define Nutters. As Winston is making more and more sense lately if one is wanting a government that does not sell the Country by bits and pieces to overseas interests.
Christine Rankin was on RNZ this morning saying she was seriously considering leaving the party. She definitely would if Craig somehow stayed on as leader, and probably would even if he didn’t. IIRC she also said she didn’t want to be leader, and Craig had to plead with her over several weeks before she finally agreed.
Of course, that could just be a coded message to the board, telling them to make her leader or she walks.
Yes, sorry my comment there is unclear. I meant to say: Craig had to plead with her over several weeks before she finally agreed *to even be a candidate*.
The left should keep an eye on the Conservatives. The country had a lucky ecape in 2011 and 2014, but 2017 maybe different. Garth McVicar and Rankin may yet change their minds and decide to stand. Then we will have nowhere to hide.
In 2008 National gained power with the Conservatives, in 2011 they kept power without the Conservatives and in 2014 they again kept power without the Conservatives
National didn’t need the conservatives then and certainly don’t need them now and won’t need them in the future when they keep power in the 2017 election
Hopefully Winston can pick up the Conservatives votes rather than National. The Northland result shows with collaboration and a strategic approach, the Nats can be beaten.
Nat voters clearly are not happy with the Nats either, and with each new scandal more room grows for them to be defeated.
Of course there has to be an acceptable alternative vision to vote for….. and the non Nat parties not splitting in each other’s faces or a truce of some sorts….
The party who needs to change the most is Labour. To win Labour needs to change, if they can’t change at least stand down not to split votes.
Labour are the Nats in sheep clothing and half their supporters know it.
It’s on the ethics Labour are failing and big issues like clear views on trade and foreign policy. They had Brian Gould do their review, but did they take any thing away from it.
you think that because it suits your trole agenda here.
But most observers of Peters know that the only thing you can say about him is that he is unreliable and unpredictable. None of us know what he will do.
If you look at past history you’ll see Winny is not particuly keen on the Greens being in power, that Labour have shafted the Greens in favour of NZFirst and that Winston has shafted Labour in favour of National (arise Sir Winston anyone..?)
Unless it is just Labour messaging, or lack of it…
Saying that had a look on the Labour Facebook and it is looking better than it used to. They have got the hang of petitions, they just need to have a look at their overall policies…..
Change from Lite Blue to Lite Red.
Get some spine and actually start taking people to court to Send that message.
Collins and her Kauri and Milk interests.
Key and his constant lies.
There must be some sort of consequence to take Key and Collins to task on corruption and deceit other than a debate in paliament?
Winston has always said he would negotiate with the party with the most votes so unless he retires or the labour/green block can get near 50% he’ll go with the nats .
The full page he had in a farming mag two weeks ago left me in know doubt he can’t work with the greens and national really is his natural home.
He’d negotiate *first* with the party with the most votes.
Which is actually a meaningless statement, because if you don’t actually negotiate with all of your potential suitors, then you haven’t negotiated at all.
I don’t mind Peters. He is his own person at least, not just led by blind ideology. I think NZ First is better with him.
Greens do need to lighten up against farming.
There are lot’s of Green and responsible farmers out there. Don’t brand a few bad ones (possibly Government owned Landcorp conversions) with the same brush.
The Nats prob only converting forests to farms it to sell it off the conversions to the Chinese and overseas buyers anyway.
If you come from a rural background you don’t mind farming and farming is a lot harder than city people realise with constant droughts, floods exchange rates and fluctuating prices.
Farmers are actually caught out by climate change more than most.
In addition responsible farming is a lot better for the environment than residential developments sprawling out or industrial wastelands.
Back to common interests between Greens and NZ First, NZ first complaining about how our raw logs are exported and we are not converting them to higher value goods (similar to Greens complaints) and NZ First against all our farm sell offs (similar to Greens).
Yes lanthanide “talk “would of been the better word to use.
Save nz now that I’ve been looking I don’t think the greens are anti farming but they need to work day n night to combat what looks to me like a concerted effort by some in the rural sector to frame them as farming haters.
The Greens aren’t anti-farming at all. Read their policies.
“There are lot’s of Green and responsible farmers out there. Don’t brand a few bad ones (possibly Government owned Landcorp conversions) with the same brush.”
I agree that are lots of good farmers out there (I don’t know many dairy farmers though 😉 ).
But I also think that farmers need to take responsibility within their industry esp the fact that they let Federated Farmers be seen to represent them. FF are irresponsible environmentally. I don’t think we can say that there are a few bad farmers when industrial dairying has caused and continues to cause such widespread long term damage.
Labour would need 40+% of the vote to go for option B, that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. They have to work with the Greens if they want to be in power.
I know the TPP has been already done to death but… Per the following video the TPP locks in the privatisation of the provision of welfare services. It also goes on to discuss bank bailouts and so forth.
Considering even the right wing Herald is polling huge support AGAINST TPP by the public, why the F are the politicians trying to PUSH it through. There is nothing for NZ and they know it. There is nothing for the US public either which is why at least they are suggesting support for all the jobs lost (hello they know jobs are going to be lost but still forcing it through), all I can think of, is with the whip up of ‘fear’ against everyone Muslim or Chinese and possibly even an uprising of the poor with the growing world inequality, they feel some sort of one world economy supported by one world military will safeguard interests… I mean it is out there stuff…. but what the F is the reason they are trying to force through a dead duck that has so many problems in secret and why are not more opposing politicians 100% opposed?
Look at Labour – at least do a conscience vote to see how many MP’s support TPP and then come out and publicly say Labour is AGAINST TPP. We don’t need Bin Larden to destroy Democracy, the dumbo bureaucrats a doing a great job by themselves with big business (all the bad ones like Oil and tobacco) lobbyists and corrupt politicians.
Considering even the right wing Herald is polling huge support AGAINST TPP by the public, why the F are the politicians trying to PUSH it through.
Because it’s what their owners, the US corporations, want.
There is nothing for NZ and they know it.
QFT
Labour and the rest of the Left parties, including NZFirst, need to come out and say that they won’t be signing up to the TPPA.
IMO, we actually need to be dropping from all FTAs that we’re presently signed up to including the WTO. We replace that with a set of standards that other countries need to meet to be allowed to trade with us.
It’s an interesting point but the whole market idea is about freedom to trade and that means being able to chose if we trade or not. All these FTAs are actually about forcing trade upon us whether we like it or not. That forcing is, without doubt, actually causing damage to NZ and other countries.
On a slightly lighter note (but still TPPA) , how about we make this our temporary national anthem ?
Cut the Crap – the Gasworks Community Service Band
Seems like Syriza wants to still be part of the game though vto. Must be something to it if a political party elected on a mandate to do away with Austerity has basically conceded much of what it stated it was against just 6 months ago.
Whether I support it or not is not really relevant. My views on economics are a world away from most people here. That is a given. What is interesting is why a political grouping that should share views expressed by many on here (including yourself I believe) has suddenly changed tack and have agreed to adopt policies that I generally support as opposed to the ones they previously promoted. Why do you think they didn’t just stick to their guns?
It is entirely relevant as it highlights the thinking behind your views. Supporting a system which results in debt-slavery and is completely and utterly unsustainable is just nuts …. and makes all your other points on the matter worthless
Personally I don’t think Greece should be in the Eurozone because the Government is incapable of pursuing fiscally sensible policies however the fact remains that they are attempting to remain and by essentially agreeing to the Austerity imposed on them by the rest of the Eurozone members as I predicted would likely happen. You seem very reluctant to address the reason they are doing so despite the Greek people voting for a party that apparently was against these sorts of policies.
this Greece situation is just the beginning gosman, just the beginning….. the system which has unravelled them is steadily unravelling itself. Actually it isn’t the beginning, it is now part way through…
If you don’t accept this then how do you see the current financial model playing out over the next few decades? Just more of the same?
Being a NZ “right winger” and not part of the 1% I would have thought you would be intimately acquainted with voting for a government that doesn’t act in your own best interests. Perhaps you could answer your own question Gos?
I wonder how further cuts in government spending under the austerity measures proposed works in light of this:
“The budget deficit is an outcome – of decisions made by both the private and public sectors to expand or contract activity; of the levels of both public and private employment; of the amount collected in tax revenues.
However while the Chancellor can’t “eliminate the deficit” he can cut government expenditure and investment. Or increase government expenditure and investment.
In other words, it is not possible to assess the stance of the Chancellor’s fiscal policy from estimates of the public sector deficit – the outcome. But an expansionary fiscal policy can lead to growth in activity and employment, so that, in a recession, public sector expenditure and investment creates employment, generates tax revenues, saves on benefits and welfare payments and thereby reduces the deficit.
A policy of fiscal consolidation or contraction, at a time when the private sector is in a slump, suffering from an overhang of debt, weak productivity, a lack of confidence and is hoarding cash and withholding investment, will cause the deficit to rise.
So the debate is not between those who would “slash the deficit” and those who would “postpone” the reduction in the deficit.
Instead the debate is between those who would cut expenditure and investment in a slump, as opposed to those who would stimulate public expenditure and investment at times of private sector weakness…”
As I understand it the Greek crisis is about repayment of debt. So, everyone outside Greece is focused on ways to get their money (Interest and principle) out fo Greece in the short and long term). That means the initial focus is not really from a starting point of how do we get Greece back on its feet to becoming a thriving nation able to employ its citizens but rather how do we ensure a money stream to satisify at least our interest payments is established. This, imo, has inherent problems.
Yep vto. There is no difference in the situation today with the multiple financial crises over the past 200 odd years. Countries and people will continue to muddle along the best they can. There is no viable alternative waiting in the wings to take over our current system as much as you and people like you on the left would like to make believe there is.
Thanks mr gosman, that’s what I thought….. you have an inability to see anything outside your current paradigm… all of 200 years – pheweee eh, such a long time. 200 years is about the length of time many empires and systems last before their inbuilt failings rise to the surface ready to be squeezed like a pus-filled sore…
Just like our current capitalist one….. which had its rough beginnings in many senses around 200 years ago….
And now has pus oozing out everywhere – like Greece…
No Tracey, it is about ensuring Greece is fiscally sustainable long term. The only way they can do that is by raising taxes and cutting expenditure. Noone else is going to give them money to spend more.
It is interesting, Gosman, that you are not pointing to any kind of ‘rising tide lifting all boats’ but are instead gloating about the difficulties the Greek government faces in trying to free their citizens from imposed austerity. I think that most people accept that the Greek government is acting in good faith, is unlikely to achieve everything that it wants to, and that Greece could even end up being forced out of the Euro-zone. However, none of this makes the forces they are up against good or right. And it seems that you no longer insist that your way of going about things is better for everyone, but now think that austerity must be imposed on some so that others can prosper.
I’ve never made out that Austerity will lead to better times for everyone. Quite obviously if you were one of the lucky Greek people who used to receive a generous pension at 55 your life is likely to be much harder now. Equally if you were one of the people employed in an inefficient and overstaffed publically owned company you are unlikely to get such a cushy job in future. But if the Greeks wanted to have such a lifestyle they should have tried to ensure that it was sustainable. It wasn’t hence the need for Austerity.
The true story is that the Troika knew Greece was indebted to its eyeballs, technically insolvent, was in massive danger of default – yet kept lending Greece billions of dollars. Debt which is now rightfully considered odious, and should never be repaid.
There is no viable alternative waiting in the wings to take over our current system as much as you and people like you on the left would like to make believe there is.
WTF are you on about Gosman.
1) Break up all TBTF banks
2) Reinstate Glass Stiegal, but tougher.
3) Implement a stiff FTT
4) Shrink the financial sector to no more than 5% of any given economy.
5) Put money creation back into the hands of sovereign states, not private banks.
Gosman, as you were on about Greece defaulting and you appear to be an expert on cot case economies, well specific economies that is, I thought I would ask about the Ukraine. I suppose I should be more specific.
I will ask that question again How’s the economy going in the Ukraine?
“To achieve this, Ukraine must cut a deal with the holders of its debt. Negotiations are going badly. The creditors are trying to get the government to agree only to maturity extensions. Ukraine wants to reduce the total amount of debt it owes, as well as pushing back repayment dates. It looks increasingly likely that Ukraine will fail to reach an agreement by June, which could delay the disbursement of a badly needed $2.5 billion loan from the IMF.”
Also will it resolve this
“Its people are poorer than they were when the Soviet Union ended”
you and millions of others predicted it… it’s still not a done deal and it is still not exactly what the EU wanted, say, before the last Greek election.
They are agreeing to look at Pension reform and increases to VAT. These were two areas that were apparently sacrosanct only a week or so ago. On top of that they have also agrred in principle to running increasing primary budget surpluses for the next few years. This is a key feature of Austerity not of a policy of using the State to spend it’s way to a solution. Please advise me how the so called anti-Austerity platform they ran on has been satisfied by the proposals they have made?
It hasn’t because, unlike you, they operate in the real world. Blackmail is hard to respond to, but they haven’t rolled over. What they have done is forced the bankers to compromise as well. That’s a major step forward for the Greek people and a fulfilment of their electoral pledge. The real pledge, btw, not your strawman.
How have the bankers compromised? They are still getting the Greeks to follow policies that you would regard as “Neo-liberal”. If they follow through on their committments they would actually be far more right wing than the past Greek governments as they will privatise more State owned assets than was done over the past 5 years.
In your mind the fact that Syriza is not having to adopt as strict a range of austerity policies as they could have been forced to follow is a massive success for them is it?
If so it would explain why the left is on the back foot in many places around the world.
I’m cool with you believing people are striking a blow against right wing policies if you only adopt 75% of them instead of 100%. Whatever makes you feel at ease with supporting ideas that I agree with. 😉
Of course they have a choice, it’s the capitalist way
First, they need to hire Donald Trump’s lawyer
“Atlantic City lawyer Viscount doesn’t believe Donald Trump himself should be held accountable for any of his company’s bankruptcies — his creditors, he said, knew what they were getting themselves into when they lent Trump money over and over again. “They’re all big boys and girls,” he said. “They’ve all played this game before, in the insolvency space. The company that possessed his name filed bankruptcy because it was overleveraged. What does that tell you? People want to lend him money. He does grandiose things with it.
…Viscount doesn’t think Trump has misused the system at all. “Chapter 11, in my view, is the ultimate business transaction forum,” he said. “It’s the place you go to keep a business alive and well. He’s done nothing inappropriate.”
So you see, there is support for Greece defaulting and basically becoming bankrupt, from the doyen of capitalism and freedom the USA
Those banks knew the risks when they lent, they factored it into the interest rate. They knew they might not get the principal and some interest back.
So, yes there are choices. And those choices have consequences but to make it sound like the lending of money was a gift from a benevolent parent is nonsense. It was a money-making decision to lend money in exchange for projected return.
This is something that the RWNJs don’t seem to understand despite the fact that they go on about taking risks all the time. They seem to think that people who take risks should always become super wealthy and that they should never lose no matter the risks that they’ve taken.
You did actually throughout this thread when you keep saying that Greece needs to face reality and agree to the demands of the troika. You’ve been doing it for months.
Ummm… no. I have never stated that people who take risks should always become super wealthy either as part of my highlighting the problems of Greece or in any other post I have made here.
“No, the debt needs to be paid, so Greece has no choice whatsoever.”
Comments like this show that, today, supposed ‘common sense’ puts a priority on returns to private capital over public welfare. Dickensian.
It’s ‘gotcha’ time for Greece. First comes the easy cash then comes the snare – loan sharkery on a global scale.
The creditors clearly have the money to save Greece but have decided that an immediate return on their money is more important than preventing widespread hardship.
Turning the screws at this time also has the added advantage of showing, not just the Greek people but all of us, just who is the boss.
And the hardship that will result isn’t all about people not being able to retire at age 55 or have a guaranteed, cushy public sector job as Gosman seems to think.
Apparently this is all very moral and ethical on the part of the creditors. Apparently the Greek people are just getting what they deserve.
What a fine old world of moral rectitude we all live in.
Message – courtesy of global financiers – to all of us:
Careful of your next step; there’s precipitous cliffs either side of the pre-designed crumbling ridge you’re all walking along. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Now, take our tender hand – extended only to help you … of course.
Is Greece’s situation a little like Germany’s after the band of avenging finance ministers punished them for WW1 wasn’t it. Impoverishing a whole nation wasn’t a good idea it transpired. Then a whole lot of expiration happened. In Greece what group is likely to be the scapegoat for the country’s ills?
On that note Jung in talking about the Shadow says – The world today hangs by a thin thread, and that thread is the psyche of man. ~C. G. Jung
and The supreme danger which threatens individuals as well as whole nations is a psychic danger. Reason has proved itself completely powerless, precisely because its arguments have an effect only on the conscious mind and not on the unconscious. The greatest danger of all comes from the masses, in whom the effects of the unconscious pile up cumulatively and the reasonableness of the conscious mind is stifled http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/diagnosis-psychic-epidemic/
Hey Clean Power, debts which can’t be repaid, won’t be repaid. Greece has defaulted on it’s debts several times since the 19th Century, it should do so again.
Better than impoverishing an entire nation for the banksters.
@CR
Why do you waste your precious time and intellect on even noticing these morons who are so weak-minded and malicious that they make a game of stupid comments about our future. They are disposable, and dispensable, and there would be a net gain if they weren’t around.
Wow, Clean_power just read a few books, a few on economic history would be a good start. I know it’s all the rage with you new Tory’s to just go with your feeling on issues. But, nothing beats free thinking though…
No it doesn’t. The people who made the loans made them with the understanding that they were taking the risk that they weren’t going to get the money back. Greece should simply default. It is actually the correct thing to do.
“The Federal Republic of Germany’s creditors — 20 countries including Greece — indeed agreed at a London conference to write off 55 percent of the country’s 32.3 billion Deutsche marks of foreign debt. “More than 50 percent of Greek debt needs to be written off,” says top Syriza economist John Milios. “The solution that was given to Germany at the London conference in 1953 is what we must do for Greece.”
The thought of the Greeks having free health care, and a generous welfare system, and extensive worker protections keeps Gosman up at night,
So he has to email his paramour, Merkel, to starve them into submission, just like her predecessor, between 1941 and 45 — Dont forget, a lot of old Nazis drifted into the Christian Democrats…
There nothing wrong with having free health care, and a generous welfare system, and extensive worker protections but someone has to pay for it and the Greeks wern’t
and before you ask I don’t hate the unions, schools or any other random organisation you’re about to ask me why I hate them
They can have all those things if they want. They just have to pay for them themselves instead of expecting German and other Europeans to do so for them.
Agreed. Yet Syriza hasn’t made much of a difference to resolving that problem. One thing I thought a left wing government would want to do would be to ensure the taxes it gets from the wealthy are paid but it hasn’t happened for some reason.
Your comment is complete crap. The problem in Greece wasn’t tax evasion, it is legal tax avoidance. Changing tax laws and then implement them takes time. Usually more than a year, and typically closer to 2 years to untangle a web of special cronies legislation accumulated over decades.
And that requires some stability to work in. Which they don’t have.
Even then it will takes years to make any significant difference to the tax revenue. The rich will attempt to avoid it, requiring court cases before they start to obey the laws.
They have only been in power for less than 6 months.
You really do appear to be particularly stupid at present.
I would think for a left wing government dedicated to ensuring the wealthy elites in society pay for the social programmes you want to protect that tax reform would be top of any legislative agenda. What measures have the Syriza government proposed around this area in the past 6 months do you know of? I don’t expect them to have been fully implemented I accept but I would expect the proposals to be out there and being developed in to policies.
They don’t need to wait for the Troika to approve reforms to the Greek Tax system. They can just go ahead an start implementing (or even developing) the policies. The Troika wants to see an effective Tax collection system. They are hardly going to object to the Greek government doing so.
Angela Merkel was raised and educated in East Germany. Her Father was a lutheran pastor. She might have got stuck in East Germany with her family when the wall went up, which happened to a lot of people. No wall in the morning, oops a wall in the evening.
as her bio: Early Years
German stateswoman and chancellor Angela Merkel was born Angela Dorothea Kasner on July 17, 1954, in Hamburg, Germany. The daughter of a Lutheran pastor and teacher, Merkel grew up in a rural area north of Berlin in the then German Democratic Republic. She studied physics at the University of Leipzig, earning a doctorate in 1978, and later worked as a chemist at the Central Institute for Physical Chemistry, Academy of Sciences (1978–90).
She entered politics in 1989, with the fall of the Berlin Wall. She was the pet of Helmut Kohl, who himself was chancellior for 16 years replacing the SPD Chancellior Helmut Schmidt.
Angela Merkel is a lot of things, but she is not a Nazi or a Neo Nazi. She is a capitalist, and maybe an opportunist.
AS for the well being of the low income countries of the EU, frankly they should have never entered the EU fully. They were set up to fail.
Btw. The reason Germany managed to get into the monetary Union was be re-evaluating the Gold Reserves under then Finance Minister (article from 1997 in German http://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/theo-waigel-solltedas-nicht-tun/12106.html ) the reason he did this was to reach the thresholds set to actually be a Member of the Einheitswaehrung (single currenzy).
I would not draw a line between the Nazi History of Germany and Angela Merkel. That is a bit far fetched. She is a corporatista and a capitalist. WE have these guys running and indebting our country currently. What is little NZ gonna say when the overseas interests that hold our debt come collecting?
There were things about Merkel’s background that were similar to those of Margaret Thatcher’s. Wikipedia –
Margaret Thatcher’s father was a Methodist, he was a grocer, and also a local preacher and was in local politics being Mayor of Grantham for a short time.
She was originally a research chemist, then became a barrister….
She was influenced at university by political works such as Friedrich von Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom (1944), which condemned economic intervention by government as a precursor to an authoritarian state…
In 1948 she applied for a job at ICI, but was rejected after the personnel department assessed her as “headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated”…
She stood for Dartford in early 1950s elections and did well, losing but greatly reducing the Labour majority. She married. She qualified as a barrister and specialised in taxation in 1953, and that year also had twins.
…Angela Merkel was born Angela Dorothea Kasner on July 17, 1954, in Hamburg, Germany. The daughter of a Lutheran pastor and teacher, Merkel grew up in a rural area north of Berlin…
I didn’t know she was born in Hamburg. Weird to think of people moving from the Bundesrepublik to the DDR, the traffic was mostly the other way. The Kasners must have been spitting when they discovered what “really-existing socialism” meant in practice.
I’ve been trying to work out what a Tory feminist is, because I keep seeing photographs of female Tory MPs in the newspapers, wearing T-shirts with ‘This is what a feminist looks like’ on them.
[…]
That’s what it says on the front, anyway, of the Tory feminists’ T-shirts that they’re all wearing now. And on the back it says, ‘Not really, I’m a Tory, you gullible dick.’
That’s what it says on the front, anyway, of the Tory feminists’ T-shirts that they’re all wearing now. And on the back it says, ‘Not really, I’m a Tory, you gullible dick.’
Yup.
Most of those bourgeois women who act like lionesses in the struggle against “male prerogatives” would trot like docile lambs in the camp of conservative and clerical reaction if they had suffrage.
“New Zealand’s five major banks are on track for another bumper year, with profits already up strongly in the first quarter.
ANZ, ASB, BNZ, Kiwibank and Westpac made $1.69 billion of pre-tax profit in the three months to March 31, up 5.9 per cent from the last quarter of 2014.
The gains came from an increase in “other” operating income and lower expenses, offset by falling interest income and a higher level of bad loans.
Total gross loans increased by $6b, or 1.9 per cent, but interest income fell slightly.
PwC partner and banking and capital markets leader Sam Shuttleworth said that reflected the very competitive lending market.”
above average wage increases all round for the workers, right? To reflect/acknowledge that no company can make profit without great work by all its employees, right?
unfortunately I suspect that political parties are going to become increasingly useless and disconnected just at the time we need effective democratic political representation the most.
‘Open Letter’ /Request for speaking rights at Auckland Council Governing Body Meeting, Thursday 25 June 2015
Dear Mayor,
I wish to address the Auckland Council Governing Body Meeting, under ‘Public Forum’ on the following matters:
1) The failure of Auckland Council to provide information on how Auckland Council Rates Assessment Notices and Rates Invoices are double-checked for statutory compliance with the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002, in the LGOIMA reply received (3 months late) on 1 May 2015, on the grounds this information was ‘legally privileged’.
2) The request from Auckland transport for an ‘extension of time’ to my LGOIMA request, that they provide information about the amount of public subsidy for private passenger transport providers of Auckland bus, ferry and rail operation and management, information which I believe is critical before the proposed ‘transport levy’ is voted upon.
3) Concerns about how the ‘Special Housing Areas’ have been generated by the, in my view, purported Auckland ‘housing crisis’, which has been based upon the use, by yourself and (former) Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, of the Department of Statistics ‘high’ population growth projections, when they recommended ‘medium’ – an extra 300,000 people, and my consideration of another Parliamentary Select Committee of Inquiry into this matter.
4) My concerns, as an ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’, of the alleged use of the Auckland real estate market for ‘money-laundering’, and what is Auckland Council doing to minimise this risk.
5) A formal request, in the interests of transparency and accountability, for you, Mayor Len Brown, to voluntarily provide the ‘Trust Deed’ for the New Auckland Council Trust, so that the public can see who are your main financial backers.
Looks like j key is going to have to resort to *rent a crowd* for the meetings on the flag change. Apparently 13 in Auckland BUT 50 IN Invercargill. Woohoo! What else is there to do in Invercargill?
Where can you buy t-shirts with the New Zealand flag emblazoned on them?!
…I want one …or two ..or three
…be a good money maker for the NZLP or NZF or the Greens
( no one wants this jonkey corporate vanity project flag…and the committee being used to steer it reads like a list of wannabes, crooks and trash )
…pity it is costing the new Zealand taxpayer so much money …$ 28 million?… when New Zealanders are going hungry, cold , without state housing, young people cant afford tertiary education, Continuing Education has been axed ,State Assets have been sold , NZ soldiers have been sent to Iraq, health funding has been cut…and secret corporate rip off TPP looms
I had a look in google Chooky thinking your idea was good. Couldn’t see any with flag itself. I did see one with a kiwi wearing a flag. There should be someone who churns them out. Maybe a souveniers company?
Judging by the meeting I went to, the email had gone out to the local Nat party members to come along and make the place look less empty. must do a post on this soon – something didn’t feel quite right about the whole deal
That’s not the first time ‘the big three’ have been booed by Labour members. This time, same as last time, it appears that Jeremy Corbyn is the only one of the four who ‘gets it’.
What does it say that the more popular candidate, at least as far as audience reaction goes, is continually poo-pooed by major media?
Clean Power, are you trying to tell us that after another 5 years of Camorons austerity if there is not a revolution before hand, that the Tories are going to win with that fucking clown Johnson as premier for 10 further years.
I cannot see that happening as long as your arseole points downwards.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact does not yet include an acceptable deal on access for New Zealand’s most important exports, dairy products, with little more than a month to go before the controversial 12 nation trade deal could be concluded.
“I think the way I would describe it is there’s a deal. It’s probably not at the level that we would currently like,” said Prime Minister John Key at his post-Cabinet press conference in Wellington. He was referring to comments last week by Trade Minister Tim Groser that negotiations on dairy access to the heavily protected US, Canadian and Japanese markets had “barely started.”
A vote is due in the US Senate as early as mid-week to grant “fast-track” negotiating authority to US President Barack Obama to conclude the deal after a crucial vote in the Congress last Thursday left the Senate as the final hurdle.
Key took issue with Groser’s comments to BusinessDesk last week that there was so far “no deal” on dairy products.
“It’s not to say that there’s a bad deal on dairy products, it’s more to say that there’s no deal,” Groser said last week. “We’ve barely started. Phony negotiating positions have been put on the table but that doesn’t help a professional negotiator make a judgement as to where the landing zone is.”
However, Key said: “From what I’ve seen at the moment, if in theory we froze time and concluded the deal as I see it, it’s net positive for New Zealand. But it wouldn’t be doing enough for dairy for us to be comfortable and we would like to do some more there. There are a lot of other sectors that would be very happy about it.”
Key said his “gut instinct” was that the Senate would follow the US Congress, which by a narrow vote last week approved US President Barack Obama’s so-called “fast-track” authority to negotiate a conclusion to the TPP deal. “We’ll eventually get the chance to potentially get a deal before the summer recess” Key said.
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Thing is, opening up the US dairy market or even any of the others won’t get NZ dairy into those markets as they’re all quite capable of producing their own dairy. Hell, the US has been ramping up dairy production for years now and will probably end up flooding their own home market and thus will need other countries to dump excess on which will probably include NZ.
Someone do a request for how much the taxpayer has paid for Groser to be conducting these ‘forced’ trade deals and then see what could the money be better spent on.
The poor and increasingly former middle class starve and freeze in NZ while our money is spent on hair straighteners and junkets for Groser to further enslave us..
In a similar vein in Auckland Council, the public COO Ports of Auckland illegally try to steal our harbour and the council use the ratepayer money on barristers to defend it.
Oh another rates increase….. And the public has to pay to defend themselves from the illegal actions of the council resource consent officers….
That headline is appalling. It actually distracts from what seems to be suggested which is a form of sexual harrassment (if true). So it serves no one but the stupid editorial push for salacious headlines.
Watching a youtube clip about internet harassment posted here today, it doesn’t escape notice that people often use the internet because of a lack of close relationships that allow them to express themselves freely, without threat of violence or punitive repercussions. I certainly use it for that reason.
Fighting everyone all the time about everything wears thin after a few decades, sooner, for those with little to no social status. Expecting one person to win against the collective power of any culture is a big ask, and the internet is the perfect place to resume that fight and not take so many direct hits. The same distance created by the screen that allows people to be or say what they like, also allows others to reply in an equally negative manner.
I hope the solution is obvious, though clearly not so obvious that people can easily access multifarious, safe, real-life, community. Some of the problem will be that the more vulnerable aspects of their personality or lifestyle they still, themselves, find embarrassing in some way; or by being overly aware of the cultural value attached to it, or something along those lines.
It’s a matter of accepting oneself first, he says, but in the classic catch-22 situation, people often can’t access that place in real life until real life allows them to access that place. To say it’s difficult, time-consuming and expensive to overcome one’s own emotional and psychological tendencies and scars and just accept oneself is gross understatement. It’s one of the times that “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and doing it all yourself” is not practical advice. That idea just makes it worse.
Doing it all yourself is contraindicated, because even if you are “successful” you’ll end up isolated in your own personal – if safe – world; a world which divorces a person from the social interface of a healthy psyche. It’s not all bad, though: living in your own personal world might make you an expert observer of the human condition, an academic unrestrained by official ideology, an artist of particular skill; or perhaps some unforeseen disastrous external event will catapult you into a position to act for the social good, with well-honed skills that mainstream people will never have developed. On a day-to-day basis though, it’s likely to be all small private victories, and mostly failures, and not much in the surrounding external culture will change.
Nothing gets done by one woman or one man against the World. It’s what we like to tell ourselves, though: it’s great flattery, good for destructive myths and Hollywood movies – and most often distorted by economic theory.
All the great people of progressive social change depended on their ideas being enacted and supported by other people who could act, by followers in the thousands, if not millions. The World, and the British, were in India before Gandhi was born. Social Chaos reigned before Muhammad had his vision of a new way of living. King Herod was already ruthless and threatened before he attempted to kill Jesus of Nazareth. Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. were spokespeople of a collective awareness, not isolated individual saviours. And anyone else who starts today isn’t the source of their own future power. Not even John Key created the trends of the National Party… though you could argue that last one isn’t into social progressive anything, or particularly “great” in a World history sense. Sorry, John.
Accepting oneself… the many methods and the associated fear, yes… that’s what I was attempting to say. What’s some of the misunderstood and early blockades to self-acceptance? Reminding myself of them could be good exercise… if a little pedestrian…
“If this person looks like me and thinks like me… they seem like nice people… no wait, they’re that …I could be them! I can’t be them. I hate that idea, it disgusts me. I have too much to lose. No, I must reject that person to protect myself, my family, my way of life.”
Whoa, whoa there cowboy! The reasons why things happen in other people’s brains is not caused by external indicators. The gene for skin colour does not also assure gender. Dressing in jeans and a t-shirt doesn’t mean you listen to rock music. Wearing a skirt doesn’t make you a woman, in the same way as wearing Rayban sunglasses will not instantly make you “cool”.
New Age ideas that have crept into progressive culture have been ruthlessly trimmed down to “We are all the same, we are all one” – except we aren’t and never were. The philosophical origin of those New Age ideas says, “We are all from the same original source, made of the same life-breath, which takes the form it must to maintain balance in the world. The reasons we are all different is unknown.” This means we should respect the inherent life force within each other, whatever our external appearance; not that we are all the same person, will turn into the same person under the correct circumstances; or that by sitting next to the disabled person on the bus your leg will begin to twist; or if a poor person lives next door to you you’ll lose your inherent personal worth; or that if you hug a transgender person (with their permission, of course) your dick will fall off. Although it’s good to find the commonalities between each of us (for the sake of exercising compassion, for example), the differences are equally important. Focussing on either at detriment of the other will cause problems and manifest in rejection and division.
“My brain can’t take this shit, I think I have an identity crisis going. Entertaining the idea of dealing with these different people shakes me up too much!”
Congratulations, you’ve fallen in the deep-end of self-acceptance! Already you’ve learned that ideas cannot maintain a static reality, but if you could calmly paddle back to the shallow end of the pool, that’d be best for everyone, and possibly you, too. But if you enjoy it there, swim around a bit. Make your own calls. The most important thing to remember is this: I am not you, you are not me, in human form we are separate beings, that’s the law of Nature. Unless someone is rushing at you with an axe, there is no other immediate physical threat. So no need for abuse towards the thing that you think you fear.
Telling a fearful brain the above is not really possible while it’s freaking out, although forewarned is well-armed. Sometimes the psychological threat is enough to instil terror. The best I can offer is anecdotal advice: Last time I was in identity crisis town, the loss of conscious control did not give me up to imagined wild extremes. One thing did not follow another. The sense of terror in potentially having no conscious control, while impressively overwhelming, did not automatically become what I thought it might, what logic thought it could. Logic was gone, so did not apply. If you ever go there, if you even just take a quick trip past there, remember that nothing happens till it happens. Remember that feeling of the incredible vastness of the unknown: that’s how big people are, not some small description of lifestyle, gender, skin colour or socio-economic status. When you get back, you’ll have proved to yourself you have the courage to face any other thought you might have, and the courage to refuse the urge to restrict people to your own categorisations.
“So, what, I have to give everything up my house and BMW and go find less fortunate people to help?”
Only if it eventually turns out that way. I’m not one to demand you follow the strict either/or of a monotheistic religion for your behavioural cues. It always disturbed me that when the rich man who realised he couldn’t follow Jesus example turned away sadly, that Jesus didn’t immediately add, “Oh but hey, you should totally check out XYZ religion… they have a temple about two days that direction, you’ll fit right in there. You’re doing ok, bro, don’t be discouraged!” Maybe he did. Already there’s a lot of paper in the bible. They might’ve edited for brevity.
Do what comes naturally, progressively, whatever you feel. Don’t follow a list of common misconstrued expectations. Forcing the issue out of guilt, duty or collective identity of the group you support is not recommended. It won’t be true, and if anything goes wrong, if your expectations of gratitude or outcome are not met, you’ll blame the people you tried to help instead of realising you didn’t understand your own motivations. Just be where you are, change what you know you can change. That feeling of discomfort when you know something is not quite right, as you’re doing it and that goes away shortly afterwards, that’s your conscience alerting you to inspect why you do things.
Do you occasionally resent or avoid the people you help?
Then how are you neglecting yourself? What personal requirements are you not getting and instead filling that gap with consumption of material accumulation, personal sacrifice, or comforting and strictly ideological ideas? Are they helpful, overall, or do they need to be adjusted?
“My losses are in the past, the neglect was in the past, I can’t change what I never had, I can’t go back and stop things happening that happened. Nothing in the present will change the way I am. The changes I would have to make would hurt too many people. I can’t take another failure.”
That’s up to you to decide. Shit happens to everyone. Thanks to us all actively or passively supporting our respective cultures, shit happens a lot more to some than others – a lot more. But we’ve also identified that punishing other people for our pain isn’t right either, neither is sneakily spreading it around a little to ease our relatively lighter load. No matter what we do to them, it can’t solve our past, or our present predicament.
I get the impression that many people think culture is made by external authority, then people conform to it, when in actual fact people express their internal attitudes externally, and the collective similarities become culture. Soon as people consciously choose to conform, rather than express, culture begins to stagnate and die. The problem we often see in NZ is that one part of the collective expressive range is shamed into repressed non-existence.
Failure doesn’t exist. Like most things in the Western mind-set the idea of failure depends on someone arbitrarily stopping a hypothetical clock, halting the inexorable continuum of time as we know it, and saying, “Done. You’ve failed, you’ve lost, conclusively. Global, galactic, Universal Time has stopped and nothing more can happen.” A person can miss a deadline, there may be consequences to that missed time-point, but time will continue and so will you. Calling someone a loser, a failure, or useless, is a gross expression of idiocy – and their pain, as described above. Failing to boil a potato doesn’t mean you’ve failed as a parent, or that you can’t refill the pot and try again. As long as time happens, as long as you’re alive, there is opportunity to continue constructively in some way.
”Nup, way too hard, too much effort, no time, no interest, nothing in it for me, too many other things to do. Life is good. Fuck off, you idiot loser.”
Other than finding opinions that make me think, the aspect I enjoy the most about this place is that I can say my idiotic piece to whoever wants to listen, relatively unmolested and not often censored, whereas in other places I can’t.
If we attempt to create spaces in real life, and in ourselves, where other people can risk (if they want to) admitting, suggesting, or implying by omission that they’re fucked-up too, without the either of us deriding, punishing or shaming the other, maybe together we can help each other progress. It’s a big ask, but the risk of harassment in such a space would be minimal:
“Oh hey did you hear about that person?”
“No, what happened?”
“Turns out they’re human.”
“Me too!”
“Cool!”
“That’s what I thought.”
“We should go see if they have any cake…”
Sounds like the best anyone can do.
For harassment to work, we have to have collectively agreed to promote the idea that some things that are simply human, and some things that don’t even exist, are wrong, worth ridicule, or are shameful. If strong supportive real-life communities existed, the idea of sticking someone’s face to a chipmunk body and saying they were available for sex and posting it online would not only not happen, but if it did, people would just move on – secure in their safe realities, with no reputation to uphold – and not attempt suicide as a first-option response. Their psyche would either be strong to the threat, resilient to the impact, or they’d be immediately supported by someone who could help.
The reason we don’t have supportive strong community is because we think we’re all isolated individuals who must do it all by ourselves or be deemed worthless. The internet has failed to provide safe communities. Legislating punishments won’t change that, and might inadvertently let us go on believing destructive ideas about other people. Opportunity for progressive social change may still exist in real life, starting with the attitudes we measure ourselves by.
That one I’m not complaining about, nice to have no planes fly over head.
That said, I agree – capitalism, post-scarcity capitalism, or what ever name it’s running by this week – needs to be put out of it’s misery. It’s going to kill us all, look, we tried reforming it – and that did not work – it just kept on monopolising and burning up everything.
What’s a lay person’s definition of madness again…
It’s well past time we applied that to the current economic thinking…
A technical fault in a radar system proves that the Free Market system has failed?
And implies that under a different system all technology would work perfectly?
1000 lashes for a criminal abuse of the noble science of Logic OAB.
URGENT ‘Open Letter’ /OIA request to NZ Prime Minister John Key, regarding the TPPA, from ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’ Penny Bright:
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23 June 2015
Dear Prime Minister,
Please be reminded of your extensive employment background in the investment banking industry, including your significant role in the ‘derivatives trading market’:
“Mr Key launched his investment banking career in New Zealand in the mid-1980s.
After 10 years in the New Zealand market he headed offshore, working in Singapore, London, and Sydney for US investment banking firm Merrill Lynch.
During that time he was in charge of a number of business units, including global foreign exchange and European bond and derivative trading.
In 1999, he was invited to join the Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and on two occasions undertook management studies at Harvard University in Boston. ”
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Please be reminded (again), that according to the 2015 NZ Register of Pecuniary Interests, you are (still) a shareholder in the Bank of America:
Little Nell – property investment (Aspen, Colorado)
Bank of America – banking ”
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(Please be reminded, that I have previously asked you about your personal shareholding in the Bank of America, back in February 2011, at the following Grey Power Public Meeting:
Please provide the information which confirms that:
1) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT provide big banks with a backdoor means of rolling back efforts to re-regulate Wall Street in the wake of the global economic crisis.
2) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT require domestic law to conform to the now-rejected model of extreme deregulation that caused the crisis – such as forbidding countries from banning particularly risky financial products, such as the toxic derivatives that led to the $183 billion government bailout of AIG.
3) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT threaten the use of “firewalls” – policies that are employed to stop the spread of risk between different types of financial institutions and products.
4) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT bar the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act, that helped eliminate banking crises for four decades by prohibiting deposit-holding commercial banks from dealing in risky investments.
5) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT ban capital controls, an essential policy tool to counter destabilizing flows of speculative money.
6)The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT prohibit taxes on Wall Street speculation, that means that there would be no hope of passing proposals like the Robin Hood Tax, which would impose a tiny tax on Wall Street transactions to tamp down speculation-fueled volatility while generating hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of revenue for social, health, or environmental causes.
7) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT empower financial firms to directly attack these government policies in foreign tribunals, and demand taxpayer compensation for policies they claim undermine their expected future profits.
(Please be advised that I have based these questions upon information from the following: http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPPImpacts_FinRegulation.html )
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If you cannot provide ALL of this above-requested information, please confirm that you, as the Prime Minister of New Zealand, will no longer continue to advocate for, or in any way support this TPPA, from which you may personally profit, given your shareholding in the Bank of America, which, in my considered opinion as an ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’, is potentially a significant corrupt ‘conflict of interest’.
Yours sincerely,
Penny Bright
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‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
2009 Attendee Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2010 Attendee Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
2013 Attendee Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2014 Attendee G20 Anti-Corruption Conference
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polled 4th with 11,723 votes)
CV is a complete jerk. He knew all along that these chemicals together would cause cancer, but he refused to tell anyone, instead he kept it for himself.
while Big Chiropracty makes a killing curing it with spinal manipulation, and Big Homeopathy refuses to add the cure to the municipal water supply in statistically non-existent concentrations.
the big money for academics, researchers and journals is in testing new drugs for Big Pharma, one chemical at a time. There simply is much less money and career reward in doing this kind of much more complex public good work.
what lanth said.
And factors that work together disproportionately are exponentially more difficult to identify above margin for error, replicate the results a few times, and then filter out into the general safety/awareness system.
Things like smoking/lung cancer and asbestos/asbestosis are exceptionally low-hanging fruit.
Look at sudi/sids/cot death: smoking was an easily identified risk factor, bedsharing/sleeping arrangements less clear. But only a few years ago was the disproportionate association between the two identified: as risk factors together, they multiply rather than add.
That took epidemiology to identify and pig models to determine a biologically-plausible mechanism by which it manifests before a variety of responses/interventions could be piloted. And both of those were identified and measured risk factors before the relationship was identified.
So yeah, it took a whilefor researchers to go through the obvious ones before individually benign factors were compared together on a macro scale to find an association.
The problem is that CR’s list of things that his hippie friends were concerned about that have not and will never be associated with an actual hazard is impossible to collate due to the illogical nature of confirmation bias and our inability to foresee the future.
Sure, complexity, but I also think it’s because once you go down this track it’s harder to hang on to the reductionist world view. And that presents other problems, like how to deal with individual reactions to chemicals.
That some commenters here would believe that a research direction his put off because any resulting data might actually raise further research problems and challenge the scientist’s reductio-whosie-whatsits to a comparable degree as the basic volume of data and methodological complexity required to explore a research question. After all, scientists are terrified of learning anything new.
I mean, even a couple of decades ago the technology might not have existed to even examine the possible low-incidence interactions between an assortment of random chemicals to create an unknown health effect in a large, international population for a study that involves global collaboration of researchers in a timely and not-space-program-expensive manner. But no, I’m not surprised that some commenters here would feel that a significant factor in preventing this research in the 1980s or 90s would simply be the hesitancy of a scientist to have their “reductionist world view” challenged.
Fuck off McFLock. I’m not even going to bother reading that properly. I’m not ‘some commenters’, I’m one commenter. If you can’t address the points in the actual comments I make and feel a need to make generic statements about unspecified arguments that just feeds the impression that your ideology is blinding you here.
“After all, scientists are terrified of learning anything new.”
Fuck off again. I’m guessing that you actually have no idea what I meant by my comment and instead of engaging meaningfully and asking, you just kept on with the prejudicial diatribes.
So you won’t read it properly, then claim I never addressed the point.
Allow me to expand on some of the points you couldn’t be bothered reading:
Sometimes shit doesn’t get looked at because the technology doesn’t exist to look at it and there is more low-hanging fruit to look at. But nah, you leap at the idea that it’s because scientists don’t want to change their world view. When in fact robustly demonstrating something that requires a revolutionary change in understanding would actually make a scientist’s career – look at the holographic universe theory, or gastric ulcers being caused by bacteria.
So nah, I couldn’t then and can’t now be bothered getting into a debate about “reductionist world views”.
I’d be interested if there was a link to the proceedings.
Don’t let my bickering with CR mislead you – even within the “mainstream” there can be a bit of snickering between the quantitative and qualitative crowds, or even the population vs case analysis crowds, but each of us would be significanty less without the others.
Except chemistry majors. They’re basically the polytech cookery students of the sciences 😛
Gawd all you Scientism types are struggling. Ah well, seems like my new age hippy friends were right about the dangers of this environmental chemical cocktail shit 20 years ago. Smart people.
No, not at all. It’s very easy to declaim that any sort of new science or technology is going to be bad and have bad outcomes, and to be very general about it. Throw enough darts, some of them will hit bulls-eyes occasionally.
But the real point here actually, is that it’s very easy to say “all vaccines are bad”, and then when *a* vaccine is bad, use it as an example that backs up your claim that “all vaccines are bad”, when actually it’s just a one-off occurrence and the vast majority of vaccines are fine.
It reminds me of AFewKnowTheTruth, who was very insistent that come 2015, people would be literally starving to death in Auckland due to peak oil and lack of resources and the entire world economy collapsing. He made a very specific prediction – and was quite clearly wrong. It’s much easier to claim to be correct if you make really vague predictions and then say anything that happens to fit your claim proves you were right all along.
“sorry, I missed that as I’m currently dying of sepsis from a shaving cut.”
If science were really on the ball, it would be exploring more in depth why you got a blood infection from that particular cut at the particular time and why your mate who shaved himself in the same bathroom cut himself but didn’t get an infection.
If we’d done that we might not be on the verge of running out of antibiotics.
It’s lucky that scientists have sooo many people telling them what they should be researching (or even that we have people like CR who know the answers without dirtying themselves with “evidence”), then.
“You are the one who has said all vaccines are good”
Pretty sure I haven’t said that, actually. What I would have said is that with modern vaccines, there is no reason to doubt the medical fraternity that they are safe and effective.
The only valid reasons not to receive routine childhood vaccinations are if there’s a specific medical reason why you shouldn’t receive the vaccination, such as compromised immune system, or just allergic to one of the chemicals or processes used to create the vaccine.
They hid critical facts about the MMR vaccination in the UK circa ’88, they hid critical facts about the effectiveness of the MeNZ B vaccination in young children circa 2002, they consistently overstate the practical value of the flu vaccination in preventing deaths, hospitalisations and sick days, they’re hiding critical adverse reaction issues with the HPV vaccination right now.
I don’t think that trusting the authorities at face value is really an option.
It reminds me of AFewKnowTheTruth, who was very insistent that come 2015, people would be literally starving to death in Auckland due to peak oil and lack of resources and the entire world economy collapsing. He made a very specific prediction – and was quite clearly wrong.
Cut the guy some slack yeah. He’s only about 15 years out.
Potentially, but the point is he was making a very specific near-term prediction. The ones that should be more accurate.
Barring completely unexpected events like a solar flare shutting down the electricity grid etc, I think there’s likely to be several years of declining and very bad financial news for the world economy, before it gets to the point of people literally starving to death in Auckland.
Well, child poverty is way up compared to 1980 so I am guessing there is a big negative effect somewhere there although it is likely hard to quantify exactly…
Death rate amongst children is really quite low. If there had been any noticeable upsurge in child deaths that could be clearly linked to malnutrition, I think we’d have heard about it.
Ah well, seems like my new age hippy friends were right about the dangers of this environmental chemical cocktail shit 20 years ago.
You do know that the environment is a chemical cocktail, right? As are we, and any matter in the universe you might not have automatically assumed under the heading “environment.” Still, if your new age hippy friends had some evidence-based insights into what particular combinations of chemicals constitute “dangers,” it’s a shame they never published their findings and reaped the rewards.
Very odd how otherwise intelligent people can’t differentiate various uses of the word ‘chemical’ in context. It’s not the hippies or CV misuing the word (I understood what he meant).
The hippies did publishe their findings, you’ve just been reading the wrong things.
[Sitting date: 23 June 2015. Volume:706;Page:11.
Text is subject to correction.]
9. FLETCHER TABUTEAU (NZ First) to the Prime Minister : Does he stand by all his statements?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister): Yes.
Fletcher Tabuteau : Given that he stated that all New Zealanders should trust him regarding the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal, why then, with the endgame now playing out and after years of negotiations, is your Minister of Trade now saying: “It’s not to say that there’s a bad deal on dairy products; it’s more to say that there’s no deal.”?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY : Because the Minister is technically correct. We are in a negotiating phase, and so there is not actually a completed deal yet.
Fletcher Tabuteau : In saying that he would like to do some more for the dairy industry, what will he do for Beef and Lamb New Zealand and the Fonterra Cooperative Group, which have gone on record saying that they would struggle to support the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement if, like the Chinese free-trade deal and the South Korean free-trade deal, there are no actual free-trade clauses for them in the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY : The member will have to wait and see, on the basis that the US Senate ultimately gets through it and we get to a deal. But on the basis of what I have seen as being proposed at the moment, I think net-on-net the benefits are positive for New Zealand, and many sectors, I think, will be happy.
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So – is NZ Prime Minister John Key primarily working for NZ’s Fonterra – or the Bank of America?
Follow the dollar ….. ?
In which company does Prime Minister John Key have shares?
…“We are seeing how the oil money is being used to increase influence of Saudi Arabia which is substantial of course – this is ally of the US and the UK. And since this spring it has been waging war in neighboring Yemen,” Icelandic investigative journalist and spokesperson for the WikiLeaks organization Kristinn Hrafnsson told RT.
On Friday, the whistleblowing website released the first tranche of nearly 70,000 secret government files, providing an insight into the kingdom’s interior and foreign policies. Hrafnsson said that this is “only one tenth of the documents that we have which, will be released in the coming weeks.”…
( God bless wikileaks and Julian Assange …and investigative journalists for revealing the truth and fighting oppression and corruption)
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1. What's not to love about the way the Harris campaign is turning things around?a. Nothingb. Love all of itc. God what a reliefd. Not that it will be by any means easye. All of the above 2. Documents released by the Ministry of Health show Associate Health Minister Casey ...
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TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking about the Royal Commission Inquiry into Abuse in Carereport released this week, and with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent on a UN push to not recognise carbon offset markets and ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 26, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Transport: Simeon Brown announced$802.9 million in funding for 18 new trains on the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines, which ...
The northern expressway extension from Warkworth to Whangarei is likely to require radical changes to legislation if it is going to be built within the foreseeable future. The Government’s powers to purchase land, the planning process and current restrictions on road tolling are all going to need to be changed ...
Text within this block will maintain its original spacing when publishedFirst they came for the doctors But I was confused by the numbers and costs So I didn't speak up Then they came for our police and nurses And I didn't think we could afford those costs anyway So I ...
Photo by Joshua J. Cotten on UnsplashWe’re back again after our mid-winter break. We’re still with the ‘new’ day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when we have our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm.Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream ...
Notes: This is a free article. Abuse in Care themes are mentioned. Video is at the bottom.BackgroundYesterday’s report into Abuse in Care revealed that at least 1 in 3 of all who went through state and faith based care were abused - often horrifically. At least, because not all survivors ...
Luxon speaks in Parliament yesterday about the Abuse in Care report. Photo: Hagen Hopkins/Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:PM Christopher Luxon said yesterday in tabling the Abuse in Carereport in Parliament he wanted to ‘do the ...
About a decade ago I worked with a bloke called Steve. He was the grizzled veteran coder, a few years older than me, who knew where the bodies were buried - code wise. Despite his best efforts to be approachable and friendly he could be kind of gruff, through to ...
Some of the recent announcements from the government have reminded us of posts we’ve written in the past. Here’s one from early 2020. There were plenty of reactions to the government’s infrastructure announcement a few weeks ago which saw them fund a bunch of big roading projects. One of ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Thursday, July 25 are:News: Why Electric Kiwi is closing to new customers - and why it matters RNZ’s Susan EdmundsScoop: Government drops ...
Hi,I felt a small wet tongue snaking through one of the holes in my Crocs. It explored my big toe, darting down one side, then the other. “He’s looking for some toe cheese,” said the woman next to me, words that still haunt me to this day.Growing up in New ...
Yesterday I happily quoted the Prime Minister without fact-checking him and sure enough, it turns out his numbers were all to hell. It’s not four kg of Royal Commission report, it’s fourteen.My friend and one-time colleague-in-comms Hazel Phillips gently alerted me to my error almost as soon as I’d hit ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 25, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:The Abuse in Care Royal Commission of Inquirypublished its final report yesterday.PM Christopher Luxon and The Minister responsible for ...
The Official Information Act has always been a battle between requesters seeking information, and governments seeking to control it. Information is power, so Ministers and government agencies want to manage what is released and when, for their own convenience, and legality and democracy be damned. Their most recent tactic for ...
TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:Transport and Energy Minister Simeon Brown is accelerating plans to spend at least $10 billion through Public Private Partnerships (PPPs) to extend State Highway One as a four-lane ‘Expressway’ from Warkworth to Whangarei ...
I live my life (woo-ooh-ooh)With no control in my destinyYea-yeah, yea-yeah (woo-ooh-ooh)I can bleed when I want to bleedSo come on, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)You can bleed when you want to bleedYea-yeah, come on (woo-ooh-ooh)Everybody bleed when they want to bleedCome on and bleedGovernments face tough challenges. Selling unpopular decisions to ...
Please note:To skip directly to the- parliamentary footage in the video, scroll to 1:21 To skip to audio please click on the headphone iconon the left hand side of the screenThis video / audio section is under development. ...
Given the crackdown on wasteful government spending, it behooves me to point to a high profile example of spending by the Luxon government that looks like a big, fat waste of time and money. I’m talking about the deployment of NZDF personnel to support the US-led coalition in the Red ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:40 am on Wednesday, July 24 are:Deep Dive: Chipping away at the housing crisis, including my comments RNZ/Newsroom’s The DetailNews: Government softens on asset sales, ...
As I reported about the city centre, Auckland’s rail network is also going through a difficult and disruptive period which is rapidly approaching a culmination, this will result in a significant upgrade to the whole network. Hallelujah. Also like the city centre this is an upgrade predicated on the City ...
Today, a 4 kilogram report will be delivered to Parliament. We know this is what the report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care weighs, because our Prime Minister told us so.Some reporter had blindsided him by asking a question about something done by ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 24, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Beehive:Transport Minister Simeon Brownannounced plans to use PPPs to fund, build and run a four-lane expressway between Auckland ...
NewstalkZB host Mike Hosking, who can usually be relied on to give Prime Minister Christopher Luxon an easy run, did not do so yesterday when he interviewed him about the HealthNZ deficit. Luxon is trying to use a deficit reported last year by HealthNZ as yet another example of the ...
Back in January a StatsNZ employee gave a speech at Rātana on behalf of tangata whenua in which he insulted and criticised the government. The speech clearly violated the principle of a neutral public service, and StatsNZ started an investigation. Part of that was getting an external consultant to examine ...
Renting for life: Shared ownership initiatives are unlikely to slow the slide in home ownership by much. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:A Deloittereport for Westpac has projected Aotearoa’s home-ownership rate will ...
You're broken down and tiredOf living life on a merry go roundAnd you can't find the fighterBut I see it in you so we gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsWe gonna walk it outAnd move mountainsAnd I'll rise upI'll rise like the dayI'll rise upI'll rise unafraidI'll rise upAnd I'll ...
There’s been a change in Myers Park. Down the steps from St. Kevin’s Arcade, past the grassy slopes, the children’s playground, the benches and that goat statue, there has been a transformation. The underpass for Mayoral Drive has gone from a barren, grey, concrete tunnel, to a place that thrums ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections Global society may have finally slammed on the brakes for climate-warming pollution released by human fossil fuel combustion. According to the Carbon Monitor Project, the total global climate pollution released between February and May 2024 declined slightly from the amount released during the same ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Tuesday, July 23 are:Deep Dive: Penlink: where tolling rhetoric meets reality BusinessDesk-$$$’sOliver LewisScoop:Te Pūkenga plans for regional polytechs leak out ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 23, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Health: Shane Reti announcedthe Board of Te Whatu Ora-Health New Zealand was being replaced with Commissioner Lester Levy ...
Health NZ warned the Government at the end of March that it was running over Budget. But the reasons it gave were very different to those offered by the Prime Minister yesterday. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon blamed the “botched merger” of the 20 District Health Boards (DHBs) to create Health ...
Long ReadKey Summary: Although National increased the health budget by $1.4 billion in May, they used an old funding model to project health system costs, and never bothered to update their pre-election numbers. They were told during the Health Select Committees earlier in the year their budget amount was deficient, ...
As a momentous, historic weekend in US politics unfolded, analysts and commentators grasped for precedents and comparisons to help explain the significance and power of the choice Joe Biden had made. The 46th president had swept the Democratic party’s primaries but just over 100 days from the election had chosen ...
TL;DR: I’m casting around for new ideas and ways of thinking about Aotearoa’s political economy to find a few solutions to our cascading and self-reinforcing housing, poverty and climate crises.Associate Professor runs an online masters degree in the economics of sustainability at Torrens University in Australia and is organising ...
The Finance and Expenditure Committee has reported back on National's Local Government (Water Services Preliminary Arrangements) Bill. The bill sets up water for privatisation, and was introduced under urgency, then rammed through select committee with no time even for local councils to make a proper submission. Naturally, national's select committee ...
Some years ago, I bought a book at Dunedin’s Regent Booksale for $1.50. As one does. Vandrad the Viking (1898), by J. Storer Clouston, is an obscure book these days – I cannot find a proper online review – but soon it was sitting on my shelf, gathering dust alongside ...
History is not on the side of the centre-left, when Democratic presidents fall behind in the polls and choose not to run for re-election. On both previous occasions in the past 75 years (Harry Truman in 1952, Lyndon Johnson in 1968) the Democrats proceeded to then lose the White House ...
This is a free articleCoverageThis morning, US President Joe Biden announced his withdrawal from the Presidential race. And that is genuinely newsworthy. Thanks for your service, President Biden, and all the best to you and yours.However, the media in New Zealand, particularly the 1News nightly bulletin, has been breathlessly covering ...
A homeless person’s camp beside a blocked-off slipped damage walkway in Freeman’s Bay: we are chasing our tail on our worsening and inter-related housing, poverty and climate crises. Photo: Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy ...
What has happened to it all?Crazy, some'd sayWhere is the life that I recognise?(Gone away)But I won't cry for yesterdayThere's an ordinary worldSomehow I have to findAnd as I try to make my wayTo the ordinary worldYesterday morning began as many others - what to write about today? I began ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Orderimage, ...
Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
The Minister of Housing’s ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Minister’s metaphor of ‘flooding the market’ I do not see how the ...
As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
Waiting In The Wings:For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSAannounced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent talking about the National-ACT-NZ First Government’s release of its first Emissions Reduction Plan;University of Otago Foreign Relations Professor and special guest Dr Karin von ...
Open access notablesImproving global temperature datasets to better account for non-uniform warming, Calvert, Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society:To better account for spatial non-uniform trends in warming, a new GITD [global instrumental temperature dataset] was created that used maximum likelihood estimation (MLE) to combine the land surface ...
A late change to charter school legislation will cheat educators out of fair pay and negotiating power proving charter schools are just a vehicle to make profit out of our education system. ...
In 2004 te iwi Māori rallied against the Crown’s attempt to confiscate our coastlines and moana with the Foreshore and Seabed Act. This led to the largest hīkoi of a generation and the birth of Te Pāti Māori. 20 years later, history is repeating itself. Today the government has announced ...
It has been five and a half years since the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care was established to investigate the abuse of children, young people, and vulnerable adults within state and faith-based institutions. Yesterday, the final report - Whanaketia through pain and trauma, from darkness to light ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to take action off the back of the International Court of Justice ruling on Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine. ...
On Friday the International Court of Justice reaffirmed what Palestinian’s have been telling us for decades: that the occupation and colonisation of Palestinian lands by Israel is illegal and must end immediately. They also called for reparations for Palestinian’s who have lived under Israeli occupation since it began in 1967. ...
Labour calls on the Government to act after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territories is illegal. ...
The 53.7 percent rise in benefit sanctions over the last year is more proof of this Government’s disdain for our communities most in need of support. ...
Aotearoa could be a country where every child grows up feeling safe, loved and with a sense of belonging in their whānau and community. But for some of our children, this is far from reality. Instead, they are trapped in a maze of intergenerational harm that they can’t escape on ...
Te Pāti Māori are calling for David Seymour to resign as Associate Health Minister in response to his call for Pharmac to ignore the Treaty of Waitangi. “This announcement is just another example of the government’s anti-Tiriti, anti-Māori agenda.” Said Co-leader and spokesperson for health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. “Seymour thinks it ...
The soaring price of renting is driving the rise of inflation in this country - with latest figures from Stats NZ showing rents are up 4.8 per cent on average while annual inflation is at 3.3 per cent. ...
National’s Emissions Reduction Plan will take New Zealand further from the economy we need to ensure the next generation has a stable climate and secure livelihoods. ...
Following consultation with named parties and thorough consideration of privacy interests, the Green Party is in a position to release the Executive Summary of the final report from the independent investigation into Darleen Tana. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon should be asking serious questions of his Minister for Resources Shane Jones now it’s been revealed he misled the public about a dinner with mining companies that he didn’t declare and said wasn’t pre-arranged. ...
Te Pāti Māori have submitted to the Justice Select Committee against the Sentencing (Reinstating Three Strikes) Amendment Bill. The bill will further entrench racism in our justice system and fails to focus on rehabilitation. “Reinstating Three Strikes will empower a systematically racist system and exacerbate the overrepresentation of Māori in ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee is set to make a determination on the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill in the coming weeks. “This legislation will give landlords the power to kick our whānau out onto the street for no reason” said Housing spokesperson, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “Their solution to the housing ...
“National’s campaign was about tackling crime and the best they can do is a two-year long Ministerial Advisory Group,” Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...
“There are more examples of charter schools failing their students than there are success stories. The coalition Government is driving to dismantle our public school system and instead promote a privatised, competitive structure that puts profits before kids,” Jan Tinetti said. ...
“This government is choosing to deliberately mislead and withhold information, keeping our people in the dark about this government’s agenda and the future of our mokopuna,” said co-leader and spokesperson for Health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. The call comes after the demand from the Chief Ombudsman that Associate Minister of Health, Casey ...
“Today’s climate announcement by Simon Watts makes clear the National Government is simply paying lip service to meeting its climate change targets,” Megan Woods said. ...
National is choosing to make life harder for workers by taking away the rights our communities have fought hard for. Here's how they’re taking workers backwards. ...
Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue. We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. “The Abuse in Care Inquiry’s report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faith‑based institutions were ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Government’s online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views. “It is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
Tēnā tātou katoa, Ngā mihi te rangi, ngā mihi te whenua, ngā mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
New Zealand’s payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts. “The Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre – Te Pokapū Wāina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. “The research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Regions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
Indonesia’s Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “Indonesia is important to New Zealand’s security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,” says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
He aha te kai a te rangatira? He kōrero, he kōrero, he kōrero. The government has reaffirmed its commitment to supporting the aspirations of Ngāti Maniapoto, Minister for Māori Development Tama Potaka says. “My thanks to Te Nehenehenui Trust – Ngāti Maniapoto for bringing their important kōrero to a ministerial ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has thanked outgoing Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority, Janice Fredric, for her service to the board.“I have received Ms Fredric’s resignation from the role of Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority,” Mr Brown says.“On behalf of the Government, I want to thank Ms Fredric for ...
The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliament’s test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “Section 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour says that opposition parties have united in bad faith, opposing what they claim are ‘dangerous changes’ to the Early Childhood Education sector, despite no changes even being proposed yet. “Issues with affordability and availability of early childhood education, and the complexity of its regulation, has led ...
After receiving more than 740 submissions in the first 20 days, Regulation Minister David Seymour is asking the Ministry for Regulation to extend engagement on the early childhood education regulation review by an extra two weeks. “The level of interest has been very high, and from the conversations I’ve been ...
The Coalition Government is investing $802.9 million into the Wairarapa and Manawatū rail lines as part of a funding agreement with the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA), KiwiRail, and the Greater Wellington and Horizons Regional Councils to deliver more reliable services for commuters in the lower North Island, Transport Minister Simeon ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced his intention to appoint a Crown Manager to both Hawke’s Bay Regional and Wairoa District Councils to speed up the delivery of flood protection work in Wairoa."Recent severe weather events in Wairoa this year, combined with damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in 2023 have ...
Mr Speaker, this is a day that many New Zealanders who were abused in State care never thought would come. It’s the day that this Parliament accepts, with deep sorrow and regret, the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care. At the heart of this report are the ...
For the first time, the Government is formally acknowledging some children and young people at Lake Alice Psychiatric Hospital experienced torture. The final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care “Whanaketia – through pain and trauma, from darkness to light,” was tabled in Parliament ...
The Government has acknowledged the nearly 2,400 courageous survivors who shared their experiences during the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care. The final report from the largest and most complex public inquiry ever held in New Zealand, the Royal Commission Inquiry “Whanaketia – through ...
With a week to go before hard-working New Zealanders see personal income tax relief for the first time in fourteen years, 513,000 people have used the Budget tax calculator to see how much they will benefit, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis. “Tax relief is long overdue. From next Wednesday, personal income ...
Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden says a bill that has passed its first reading will improve parental leave settings and give non-biological parents more flexibility as primary carer for their child. The Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill (No3), passed its first reading this morning. “It includes a change ...
Two Bills designed to improve regulation and make it easier to do business have passed their first reading in Parliament, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. The Regulatory Systems (Economic Development) Amendment Bill and Regulatory Systems (Immigration and Workforce) Amendment Bill make key changes to legislation administered by the Ministry ...
New legislation paves the way for greater competition in sectors such as banking and electricity, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. “Competitive markets boost productivity, create employment opportunities and lift living standards. To support competition, we need good quality regulation but, unfortunately, a recent OECD report ranked New ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says lotteries for charitable purposes, such as those run by the Heart Foundation, Coastguard NZ, and local hospices, will soon be allowed to operate online permanently. “Under current laws, these fundraising lotteries are only allowed to operate online until October 2024, after which ...
The Coalition Government is accelerating work on the new four-lane expressway between Auckland and Whangārei as part of its Roads of National Significance programme, with an accelerated delivery model to deliver this project faster and more efficiently, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “For too long, the lack of resilient transport connections ...
Sir Don McKinnon will travel to Viet Nam this week as a Special Envoy of the Government, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. “It is important that the Government give due recognition to the significant contributions that General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong made to New Zealand-Viet Nam relations,” Mr ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says newly appointed Commissioner, Grant Illingworth KC, will help deliver the report for the first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons, due on 28 November 2024. “I am pleased to announce that Mr Illingworth will commence his appointment as ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters travels to Laos this week to participate in a series of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-led Ministerial meetings in Vientiane. “ASEAN plays an important role in supporting a peaceful, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific,” Mr Peters says. “This will be our third visit to ...
Construction of a new mental health facility at Te Nikau Grey Hospital in Greymouth is today one step closer, Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says. “This $27 million facility shows this Government is delivering on its promise to boost mental health care and improve front line services,” Mr Doocey says. ...
New Zealand is committing nearly $50 million to a package supporting sustainable Pacific fisheries development over the next four years, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This support consisting of a range of initiatives demonstrates New Zealand’s commitment to assisting our Pacific partners ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour says proposed changes to the Education and Training Amendment Bill will ensure charter schools have more flexibility to negotiate employment agreements and are equipped with the right teaching resources. “Cabinet has agreed to progress an amendment which means unions will not be able to initiate ...
In response to serious concerns around oversight, overspend and a significant deterioration in financial outlook, the Board of Health New Zealand will be replaced with a Commissioner, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti announced today. “The previous government’s botched health reforms have created significant financial challenges at Health NZ that, without ...
Minister for Space and Science, Innovation and Technology Judith Collins will travel to Adelaide tomorrow for space and science engagements, including speaking at the Australian Space Forum. While there she will also have meetings and visits with a focus on space, biotechnology and innovation. “New Zealand has a thriving space ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts will travel to China on Saturday to attend the Ministerial on Climate Action meeting held in Wuhan. “Attending the Ministerial on Climate Action is an opportunity to advocate for New Zealand climate priorities and engage with our key partners on climate action,” Mr Watts says. ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is travelling to the Solomon Islands tomorrow for meetings with his counterparts from around the Pacific supporting collective management of the region’s fisheries. The 23rd Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Committee and the 5th Regional Fisheries Ministers’ Meeting in Honiara from 23 to 26 July ...
The Government today launched the Military Style Academy Pilot at Te Au rere a te Tonga Youth Justice residence in Palmerston North, an important part of the Government’s plan to crackdown on youth crime and getting youth offenders back on track, Minister for Children, Karen Chhour said today. “On the ...
The Government has welcomed news the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has begun work to replace nine priority bridges across the country to ensure our state highway network remains resilient, reliable, and efficient for road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“Increasing productivity and economic growth is a key priority for the ...
Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “New Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says. “We are pleased to be finding more ways ...
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So Colin Craig is on the ropes and the Conservatives are, (according to the NZ Herald at least), dead meat without him.
Be careful what you hope for. His primary agitator is Conservative Party Board member John Stringer, a former National party candidate for Chch Central. And from memory he also boasts of an earlier job in the UK Conservatives under Margaret Thatcher
So if the CP dissolve from infighting and lack of visible leadership, where will their 3.75% or so constituency return to? Primarily to the Nats of course.
Labour is way better served with the Conservative Party under the threshold, and getting gifted 25-35% of their vote via MMP.
and if the conservatives stay they will form a coalition with National. so it does not matter essentially, as the voters of the conservatives would not vote for Labour anyways.
I don’t see the issue really, other then that the National Party might not want the out and proud conservative force on their team. Might be better hiding them in a third party that one does business with because it serves a Purpose?
How can the CP form a coalition with National with 3.75% and no electorate seat?
Sabine, you assume that they will somehow, miraculously, cross the 5% threshold.
Im with the Herald – they are deadmeat and if they survive (doubtful in my view) any votes they get will go into the pool to be split out amongst the parties in Parliament
While I would like to agree with you, being a National voter and all, I see most of the vote going towards NZFirst being that most of Colin craigs supporters will be nutters
the same could be said about the current National Voters.
Really, one good thing National did in the last seven years that went to the profit of the country and not just themselves. And would you think that the national party of past would be happy with the current lot.?
Nutters, define Nutters. As Winston is making more and more sense lately if one is wanting a government that does not sell the Country by bits and pieces to overseas interests.
Well his conspicracy theories for one thing
what has National done that was to the benefit of all of New Zealand.
You voted for them as per your comment above. Why?
And no, Labour does it too does not count.
A proper selfish reason as to why you thought National was better for you, the country then any of the other parties?
Christine Rankin was on RNZ this morning saying she was seriously considering leaving the party. She definitely would if Craig somehow stayed on as leader, and probably would even if he didn’t. IIRC she also said she didn’t want to be leader, and Craig had to plead with her over several weeks before she finally agreed.
Of course, that could just be a coded message to the board, telling them to make her leader or she walks.
she was talking about being persuaded to even stand as a candidate, not leader.
Yes, sorry my comment there is unclear. I meant to say: Craig had to plead with her over several weeks before she finally agreed *to even be a candidate*.
Edit: Looks like she’s jumped ship already: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69626551/Christine-Rankin-resigns-from-Conservatives-over-Colin-Craig-sex-scandal
The left should keep an eye on the Conservatives. The country had a lucky ecape in 2011 and 2014, but 2017 maybe different. Garth McVicar and Rankin may yet change their minds and decide to stand. Then we will have nowhere to hide.
In 2008 National gained power with the Conservatives, in 2011 they kept power without the Conservatives and in 2014 they again kept power without the Conservatives
National didn’t need the conservatives then and certainly don’t need them now and won’t need them in the future when they keep power in the 2017 election
The conservatives didn’t exist in 2008.
Doesn’t stop PR’s fantasy comments though.
Hopefully Winston can pick up the Conservatives votes rather than National. The Northland result shows with collaboration and a strategic approach, the Nats can be beaten.
Nat voters clearly are not happy with the Nats either, and with each new scandal more room grows for them to be defeated.
Of course there has to be an acceptable alternative vision to vote for….. and the non Nat parties not splitting in each other’s faces or a truce of some sorts….
The stronger NZFirsts postion becomes the weaker the Greens barginning position becomes
🙄
Why do you disagree with what I’ve said?
Why do you disagree with what I’ve said?
Not if NZ First are taking votes from the Nats.
The party who needs to change the most is Labour. To win Labour needs to change, if they can’t change at least stand down not to split votes.
Labour are the Nats in sheep clothing and half their supporters know it.
It’s on the ethics Labour are failing and big issues like clear views on trade and foreign policy. They had Brian Gould do their review, but did they take any thing away from it.
That may be but if Labour has the option of
A. Labour/NZFirst/Greens or
B.Labour/NZFirst
then they’d go B everytime
So what, the Greens have never been in power anyway.
With all the dirty politics they all have to collaborate to defeat National.
Labour has lost so much support. They probably will need 2 partners to govern.
If NZ First, Labour and Greens need to hedge their bets by an alliance between the 3.
Greens and NZ First should have a private meeting to see what they can agree on.
TPP for one and more controls on housing and immigration could be another.
I think the only thing WinstonFirst will agree to is that the Greens stay out of power
you think that because it suits your trole agenda here.
But most observers of Peters know that the only thing you can say about him is that he is unreliable and unpredictable. None of us know what he will do.
If you look at past history you’ll see Winny is not particuly keen on the Greens being in power, that Labour have shafted the Greens in favour of NZFirst and that Winston has shafted Labour in favour of National (arise Sir Winston anyone..?)
But yes he is unpredictable
Peters is quite capable of supporting the GP being in power if it suits his agenda eg he gets the baubles he wants.
These days NZ First is more Green than Labour.
Unless it is just Labour messaging, or lack of it…
Saying that had a look on the Labour Facebook and it is looking better than it used to. They have got the hang of petitions, they just need to have a look at their overall policies…..
Change from Lite Blue to Lite Red.
Get some spine and actually start taking people to court to Send that message.
Collins and her Kauri and Milk interests.
Key and his constant lies.
There must be some sort of consequence to take Key and Collins to task on corruption and deceit other than a debate in paliament?
NZ First would be a great party if it weren’t for Peters 😉
Winston has always said he would negotiate with the party with the most votes so unless he retires or the labour/green block can get near 50% he’ll go with the nats .
The full page he had in a farming mag two weeks ago left me in know doubt he can’t work with the greens and national really is his natural home.
He’d negotiate *first* with the party with the most votes.
Which is actually a meaningless statement, because if you don’t actually negotiate with all of your potential suitors, then you haven’t negotiated at all.
I don’t mind Peters. He is his own person at least, not just led by blind ideology. I think NZ First is better with him.
Greens do need to lighten up against farming.
There are lot’s of Green and responsible farmers out there. Don’t brand a few bad ones (possibly Government owned Landcorp conversions) with the same brush.
The Nats prob only converting forests to farms it to sell it off the conversions to the Chinese and overseas buyers anyway.
If you come from a rural background you don’t mind farming and farming is a lot harder than city people realise with constant droughts, floods exchange rates and fluctuating prices.
Farmers are actually caught out by climate change more than most.
In addition responsible farming is a lot better for the environment than residential developments sprawling out or industrial wastelands.
Back to common interests between Greens and NZ First, NZ first complaining about how our raw logs are exported and we are not converting them to higher value goods (similar to Greens complaints) and NZ First against all our farm sell offs (similar to Greens).
Yes lanthanide “talk “would of been the better word to use.
Save nz now that I’ve been looking I don’t think the greens are anti farming but they need to work day n night to combat what looks to me like a concerted effort by some in the rural sector to frame them as farming haters.
Plenty of farmers have a green-ish outlook. A minority to be sure, but not a tiny minority.
The Greens aren’t anti-farming at all. Read their policies.
“There are lot’s of Green and responsible farmers out there. Don’t brand a few bad ones (possibly Government owned Landcorp conversions) with the same brush.”
I agree that are lots of good farmers out there (I don’t know many dairy farmers though 😉 ).
But I also think that farmers need to take responsibility within their industry esp the fact that they let Federated Farmers be seen to represent them. FF are irresponsible environmentally. I don’t think we can say that there are a few bad farmers when industrial dairying has caused and continues to cause such widespread long term damage.
Labour would need 40+% of the vote to go for option B, that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. They have to work with the Greens if they want to be in power.
Don’t let Sir Michael Cullen hear you say that
“There can only be one!” –To quote Highlander–
I know the TPP has been already done to death but… Per the following video the TPP locks in the privatisation of the provision of welfare services. It also goes on to discuss bank bailouts and so forth.
https://youtu.be/GbFvFzn8REo
It is food for thought
Considering even the right wing Herald is polling huge support AGAINST TPP by the public, why the F are the politicians trying to PUSH it through. There is nothing for NZ and they know it. There is nothing for the US public either which is why at least they are suggesting support for all the jobs lost (hello they know jobs are going to be lost but still forcing it through), all I can think of, is with the whip up of ‘fear’ against everyone Muslim or Chinese and possibly even an uprising of the poor with the growing world inequality, they feel some sort of one world economy supported by one world military will safeguard interests… I mean it is out there stuff…. but what the F is the reason they are trying to force through a dead duck that has so many problems in secret and why are not more opposing politicians 100% opposed?
Look at Labour – at least do a conscience vote to see how many MP’s support TPP and then come out and publicly say Labour is AGAINST TPP. We don’t need Bin Larden to destroy Democracy, the dumbo bureaucrats a doing a great job by themselves with big business (all the bad ones like Oil and tobacco) lobbyists and corrupt politicians.
Because it’s what their owners, the US corporations, want.
QFT
Labour and the rest of the Left parties, including NZFirst, need to come out and say that they won’t be signing up to the TPPA.
IMO, we actually need to be dropping from all FTAs that we’re presently signed up to including the WTO. We replace that with a set of standards that other countries need to meet to be allowed to trade with us.
It’s an interesting point but the whole market idea is about freedom to trade and that means being able to chose if we trade or not. All these FTAs are actually about forcing trade upon us whether we like it or not. That forcing is, without doubt, actually causing damage to NZ and other countries.
ding ding ding we have a winner.
+ 1000 and then some
And yet not one mainstream political party in NZ is pushing this view. Guess they have all be bought 😉
If you consider our alignment/allegiance with the IMF/WB/BiS then in fact yes, all mainstream parties HAVE been bought in a sense.
+1
Thanks Michael thats a good link. Hope someone sends it to Grosser.
On a slightly lighter note (but still TPPA) , how about we make this our temporary national anthem ?
Cut the Crap – the Gasworks Community Service Band
Love it!
As predicted by myself the Syriza led Greek government is coming to terms with the fact they have to follow sensible economic policies.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/22/hopes-greece-bailout-deal-rise-sharply
Like using pie-in-the-sky debt machines which churn euros out like printed confetti eh gosman…so sensible… so sensible it has created this very mess
Seems like Syriza wants to still be part of the game though vto. Must be something to it if a political party elected on a mandate to do away with Austerity has basically conceded much of what it stated it was against just 6 months ago.
the world of debt is finite gosman, surely you realise this… it is simple mathematics that sees it failing…. it is called a Ponzi scheme by others…..
yet you support it
Whether I support it or not is not really relevant. My views on economics are a world away from most people here. That is a given. What is interesting is why a political grouping that should share views expressed by many on here (including yourself I believe) has suddenly changed tack and have agreed to adopt policies that I generally support as opposed to the ones they previously promoted. Why do you think they didn’t just stick to their guns?
It is entirely relevant as it highlights the thinking behind your views. Supporting a system which results in debt-slavery and is completely and utterly unsustainable is just nuts …. and makes all your other points on the matter worthless
Why do you think Syriza is bowing to pressure and agreeing to continue to be part of this system promoting “Debt slavery”?
Why do you think Greece should rush back to the system which has destroyed it and is completely and utterly unsustainable?
Personally I don’t think Greece should be in the Eurozone because the Government is incapable of pursuing fiscally sensible policies however the fact remains that they are attempting to remain and by essentially agreeing to the Austerity imposed on them by the rest of the Eurozone members as I predicted would likely happen. You seem very reluctant to address the reason they are doing so despite the Greek people voting for a party that apparently was against these sorts of policies.
Rome wasn’t built in a day was it ………
this Greece situation is just the beginning gosman, just the beginning….. the system which has unravelled them is steadily unravelling itself. Actually it isn’t the beginning, it is now part way through…
If you don’t accept this then how do you see the current financial model playing out over the next few decades? Just more of the same?
Being a NZ “right winger” and not part of the 1% I would have thought you would be intimately acquainted with voting for a government that doesn’t act in your own best interests. Perhaps you could answer your own question Gos?
I wonder how further cuts in government spending under the austerity measures proposed works in light of this:
“The budget deficit is an outcome – of decisions made by both the private and public sectors to expand or contract activity; of the levels of both public and private employment; of the amount collected in tax revenues.
However while the Chancellor can’t “eliminate the deficit” he can cut government expenditure and investment. Or increase government expenditure and investment.
In other words, it is not possible to assess the stance of the Chancellor’s fiscal policy from estimates of the public sector deficit – the outcome. But an expansionary fiscal policy can lead to growth in activity and employment, so that, in a recession, public sector expenditure and investment creates employment, generates tax revenues, saves on benefits and welfare payments and thereby reduces the deficit.
A policy of fiscal consolidation or contraction, at a time when the private sector is in a slump, suffering from an overhang of debt, weak productivity, a lack of confidence and is hoarding cash and withholding investment, will cause the deficit to rise.
So the debate is not between those who would “slash the deficit” and those who would “postpone” the reduction in the deficit.
Instead the debate is between those who would cut expenditure and investment in a slump, as opposed to those who would stimulate public expenditure and investment at times of private sector weakness…”
http://renegadeinc.com/try-as-he-may-the-chancellor-cannot-eliminate-the-deficit-by-ann-pettifor/
As I understand it the Greek crisis is about repayment of debt. So, everyone outside Greece is focused on ways to get their money (Interest and principle) out fo Greece in the short and long term). That means the initial focus is not really from a starting point of how do we get Greece back on its feet to becoming a thriving nation able to employ its citizens but rather how do we ensure a money stream to satisify at least our interest payments is established. This, imo, has inherent problems.
Yep vto. There is no difference in the situation today with the multiple financial crises over the past 200 odd years. Countries and people will continue to muddle along the best they can. There is no viable alternative waiting in the wings to take over our current system as much as you and people like you on the left would like to make believe there is.
Thanks mr gosman, that’s what I thought….. you have an inability to see anything outside your current paradigm… all of 200 years – pheweee eh, such a long time. 200 years is about the length of time many empires and systems last before their inbuilt failings rise to the surface ready to be squeezed like a pus-filled sore…
Just like our current capitalist one….. which had its rough beginnings in many senses around 200 years ago….
And now has pus oozing out everywhere – like Greece…
you really should open your eyes
No Tracey, it is about ensuring Greece is fiscally sustainable long term. The only way they can do that is by raising taxes and cutting expenditure. Noone else is going to give them money to spend more.
It is interesting, Gosman, that you are not pointing to any kind of ‘rising tide lifting all boats’ but are instead gloating about the difficulties the Greek government faces in trying to free their citizens from imposed austerity. I think that most people accept that the Greek government is acting in good faith, is unlikely to achieve everything that it wants to, and that Greece could even end up being forced out of the Euro-zone. However, none of this makes the forces they are up against good or right. And it seems that you no longer insist that your way of going about things is better for everyone, but now think that austerity must be imposed on some so that others can prosper.
I’ve never made out that Austerity will lead to better times for everyone. Quite obviously if you were one of the lucky Greek people who used to receive a generous pension at 55 your life is likely to be much harder now. Equally if you were one of the people employed in an inefficient and overstaffed publically owned company you are unlikely to get such a cushy job in future. But if the Greeks wanted to have such a lifestyle they should have tried to ensure that it was sustainable. It wasn’t hence the need for Austerity.
Utter fiction Gosman.
The true story is that the Troika knew Greece was indebted to its eyeballs, technically insolvent, was in massive danger of default – yet kept lending Greece billions of dollars. Debt which is now rightfully considered odious, and should never be repaid.
WTF are you on about Gosman.
1) Break up all TBTF banks
2) Reinstate Glass Stiegal, but tougher.
3) Implement a stiff FTT
4) Shrink the financial sector to no more than 5% of any given economy.
5) Put money creation back into the hands of sovereign states, not private banks.
How’s it going in the Ukraine ?
How’s what going in the Ukraine?
Here’s a run down on the latest news on the subject according to Google
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Ukraine&safe=active&hl=en-NZ&gbv=2&prmd=ivnsm&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=IXqIVe-tCeGvmAWu5KOYDw&ved=0CAcQ_AU
“How’s what going in the Ukraine? ”
Gosman, as you were on about Greece defaulting and you appear to be an expert on cot case economies, well specific economies that is, I thought I would ask about the Ukraine. I suppose I should be more specific.
I will ask that question again How’s the economy going in the Ukraine?
I believe the IMF is about to step in and demand a long over due restructure in return for support. Good to see don’t you agree?
“Good to see don’t you agree?”
Yes, but isn’t this the same as Greece?
“To achieve this, Ukraine must cut a deal with the holders of its debt. Negotiations are going badly. The creditors are trying to get the government to agree only to maturity extensions. Ukraine wants to reduce the total amount of debt it owes, as well as pushing back repayment dates. It looks increasingly likely that Ukraine will fail to reach an agreement by June, which could delay the disbursement of a badly needed $2.5 billion loan from the IMF.”
Also will it resolve this
“Its people are poorer than they were when the Soviet Union ended”
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21651844-ukraines-government-making-some-progress-much-more-needs-be
I believe the IMF is destroying Ukraine as per normal mode of operations.
you and millions of others predicted it… it’s still not a done deal and it is still not exactly what the EU wanted, say, before the last Greek election.
Right, so Europe is following through on it’s threat to cause another major global economic disaster.
The syriza led Greek Government seems to be giving in. Why are they doing this if it will lead to economic catastrophe?
Tsipras has no choice or he’ll find himself out of a job in a matter of weeks. The party is over for the Greeks. Pay your debts or else…..
Said the mafia loan sharks with the base ball bats and knives
Why do you think Syriza is kowtowing to the demands of the Eurozone members?
They’re not kowtowing. That’s why the neg’s have been dragging on so long.
They are agreeing to look at Pension reform and increases to VAT. These were two areas that were apparently sacrosanct only a week or so ago. On top of that they have also agrred in principle to running increasing primary budget surpluses for the next few years. This is a key feature of Austerity not of a policy of using the State to spend it’s way to a solution. Please advise me how the so called anti-Austerity platform they ran on has been satisfied by the proposals they have made?
It hasn’t because, unlike you, they operate in the real world. Blackmail is hard to respond to, but they haven’t rolled over. What they have done is forced the bankers to compromise as well. That’s a major step forward for the Greek people and a fulfilment of their electoral pledge. The real pledge, btw, not your strawman.
How have the bankers compromised? They are still getting the Greeks to follow policies that you would regard as “Neo-liberal”. If they follow through on their committments they would actually be far more right wing than the past Greek governments as they will privatise more State owned assets than was done over the past 5 years.
Because that is less than what was originally demanded. Sheesh, like trying to reason with a puppy.
In your mind the fact that Syriza is not having to adopt as strict a range of austerity policies as they could have been forced to follow is a massive success for them is it?
If so it would explain why the left is on the back foot in many places around the world.
I’m cool with you believing people are striking a blow against right wing policies if you only adopt 75% of them instead of 100%. Whatever makes you feel at ease with supporting ideas that I agree with. 😉
Gosman rejoicing at the combined financial might of the IMF, ECB, Germany and Eurozone members crushing down and bringing 12M Greeks to heel.
What a prick.
No, the debt needs to be paid, so Greece has no choice whatsoever. By the way, how is that anti-science of yours going?
Of course they have a choice, it’s the capitalist way
First, they need to hire Donald Trump’s lawyer
“Atlantic City lawyer Viscount doesn’t believe Donald Trump himself should be held accountable for any of his company’s bankruptcies — his creditors, he said, knew what they were getting themselves into when they lent Trump money over and over again. “They’re all big boys and girls,” he said. “They’ve all played this game before, in the insolvency space. The company that possessed his name filed bankruptcy because it was overleveraged. What does that tell you? People want to lend him money. He does grandiose things with it.
…Viscount doesn’t think Trump has misused the system at all. “Chapter 11, in my view, is the ultimate business transaction forum,” he said. “It’s the place you go to keep a business alive and well. He’s done nothing inappropriate.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/2/
So you see, there is support for Greece defaulting and basically becoming bankrupt, from the doyen of capitalism and freedom the USA
Those banks knew the risks when they lent, they factored it into the interest rate. They knew they might not get the principal and some interest back.
So, yes there are choices. And those choices have consequences but to make it sound like the lending of money was a gift from a benevolent parent is nonsense. It was a money-making decision to lend money in exchange for projected return.
+1
This is something that the RWNJs don’t seem to understand despite the fact that they go on about taking risks all the time. They seem to think that people who take risks should always become super wealthy and that they should never lose no matter the risks that they’ve taken.
Who has ever claimed this? I believe you are creating a strawman argument here.
You did actually throughout this thread when you keep saying that Greece needs to face reality and agree to the demands of the troika. You’ve been doing it for months.
Ummm… no. I have never stated that people who take risks should always become super wealthy either as part of my highlighting the problems of Greece or in any other post I have made here.
How the hell does any country pay back $250 billion euros? Sounds a lot like extortion if you ask me.
“No, the debt needs to be paid, so Greece has no choice whatsoever.”
Comments like this show that, today, supposed ‘common sense’ puts a priority on returns to private capital over public welfare. Dickensian.
It’s ‘gotcha’ time for Greece. First comes the easy cash then comes the snare – loan sharkery on a global scale.
The creditors clearly have the money to save Greece but have decided that an immediate return on their money is more important than preventing widespread hardship.
Turning the screws at this time also has the added advantage of showing, not just the Greek people but all of us, just who is the boss.
And the hardship that will result isn’t all about people not being able to retire at age 55 or have a guaranteed, cushy public sector job as Gosman seems to think.
Greek unemployment has been above 25% for some time.
Austerity can only push that higher.
Apparently this is all very moral and ethical on the part of the creditors. Apparently the Greek people are just getting what they deserve.
What a fine old world of moral rectitude we all live in.
Message – courtesy of global financiers – to all of us:
Careful of your next step; there’s precipitous cliffs either side of the pre-designed crumbling ridge you’re all walking along. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Now, take our tender hand – extended only to help you … of course.
+1
The banksters are setting themselves up as the new dictators.
Is Greece’s situation a little like Germany’s after the band of avenging finance ministers punished them for WW1 wasn’t it. Impoverishing a whole nation wasn’t a good idea it transpired. Then a whole lot of expiration happened. In Greece what group is likely to be the scapegoat for the country’s ills?
On that note Jung in talking about the Shadow says –
The world today hangs by a thin thread, and that thread is the psyche of man. ~C. G. Jung
and
The supreme danger which threatens individuals as well as whole nations is a psychic danger. Reason has proved itself completely powerless, precisely because its arguments have an effect only on the conscious mind and not on the unconscious. The greatest danger of all comes from the masses, in whom the effects of the unconscious pile up cumulatively and the reasonableness of the conscious mind is stifled
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wordpress/diagnosis-psychic-epidemic/
Hey Clean Power, debts which can’t be repaid, won’t be repaid. Greece has defaulted on it’s debts several times since the 19th Century, it should do so again.
Better than impoverishing an entire nation for the banksters.
Easier to say since you do not leave in Greece. Maybe some homeopathy remedy can alleviate thirst, hunger and even pay the Greek debt.
Maybe you can fuck off with your pro-bankster inhumanity
Is that your level of discourse? Maybe some vaccine against anger could help? Ooooops.
There is no discourse with barbarians. Global insurrection against the banker occupation.
@CR
Why do you waste your precious time and intellect on even noticing these morons who are so weak-minded and malicious that they make a game of stupid comments about our future. They are disposable, and dispensable, and there would be a net gain if they weren’t around.
Wow, Clean_power just read a few books, a few on economic history would be a good start. I know it’s all the rage with you new Tory’s to just go with your feeling on issues. But, nothing beats free thinking though…
No it doesn’t. The people who made the loans made them with the understanding that they were taking the risk that they weren’t going to get the money back. Greece should simply default. It is actually the correct thing to do.
“No, the debt needs to be paid,”
So when is Germany going to pay there’s?
“The Federal Republic of Germany’s creditors — 20 countries including Greece — indeed agreed at a London conference to write off 55 percent of the country’s 32.3 billion Deutsche marks of foreign debt. “More than 50 percent of Greek debt needs to be written off,” says top Syriza economist John Milios. “The solution that was given to Germany at the London conference in 1953 is what we must do for Greece.”
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-27/germany-deserved-debt-relief-greece-doesn-t-i5fdca2y
The thought of the Greeks having free health care, and a generous welfare system, and extensive worker protections keeps Gosman up at night,
So he has to email his paramour, Merkel, to starve them into submission, just like her predecessor, between 1941 and 45 — Dont forget, a lot of old Nazis drifted into the Christian Democrats…
There nothing wrong with having free health care, and a generous welfare system, and extensive worker protections but someone has to pay for it and the Greeks wern’t
and before you ask I don’t hate the unions, schools or any other random organisation you’re about to ask me why I hate them
They can have all those things if they want. They just have to pay for them themselves instead of expecting German and other Europeans to do so for them.
Well by the sounds of it, a lot of Greek businesses pretty much only paid taxes when they felt like it.
Agreed. Yet Syriza hasn’t made much of a difference to resolving that problem. One thing I thought a left wing government would want to do would be to ensure the taxes it gets from the wealthy are paid but it hasn’t happened for some reason.
Your comment is complete crap. The problem in Greece wasn’t tax evasion, it is legal tax avoidance. Changing tax laws and then implement them takes time. Usually more than a year, and typically closer to 2 years to untangle a web of special cronies legislation accumulated over decades.
And that requires some stability to work in. Which they don’t have.
Even then it will takes years to make any significant difference to the tax revenue. The rich will attempt to avoid it, requiring court cases before they start to obey the laws.
They have only been in power for less than 6 months.
You really do appear to be particularly stupid at present.
I would think for a left wing government dedicated to ensuring the wealthy elites in society pay for the social programmes you want to protect that tax reform would be top of any legislative agenda. What measures have the Syriza government proposed around this area in the past 6 months do you know of? I don’t expect them to have been fully implemented I accept but I would expect the proposals to be out there and being developed in to policies.
There have been hundreds of pages of proposals to the Troika, Gossie.
They don’t need to wait for the Troika to approve reforms to the Greek Tax system. They can just go ahead an start implementing (or even developing) the policies. The Troika wants to see an effective Tax collection system. They are hardly going to object to the Greek government doing so.
The Troika want to see Greece crushed under the Agean Sea.
I’m sure that if you look you will find some on their legislative calendar. All I did was look at the logistics of such legislation.
To achieve what you were suggesting, I’d have to consider that you were trying to push for a bloody revolution.
Angela Merkel was raised and educated in East Germany. Her Father was a lutheran pastor. She might have got stuck in East Germany with her family when the wall went up, which happened to a lot of people. No wall in the morning, oops a wall in the evening.
as her bio: Early Years
German stateswoman and chancellor Angela Merkel was born Angela Dorothea Kasner on July 17, 1954, in Hamburg, Germany. The daughter of a Lutheran pastor and teacher, Merkel grew up in a rural area north of Berlin in the then German Democratic Republic. She studied physics at the University of Leipzig, earning a doctorate in 1978, and later worked as a chemist at the Central Institute for Physical Chemistry, Academy of Sciences (1978–90).
She entered politics in 1989, with the fall of the Berlin Wall. She was the pet of Helmut Kohl, who himself was chancellior for 16 years replacing the SPD Chancellior Helmut Schmidt.
Angela Merkel is a lot of things, but she is not a Nazi or a Neo Nazi. She is a capitalist, and maybe an opportunist.
AS for the well being of the low income countries of the EU, frankly they should have never entered the EU fully. They were set up to fail.
Btw. The reason Germany managed to get into the monetary Union was be re-evaluating the Gold Reserves under then Finance Minister (article from 1997 in German http://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/theo-waigel-solltedas-nicht-tun/12106.html ) the reason he did this was to reach the thresholds set to actually be a Member of the Einheitswaehrung (single currenzy).
Read up here in english. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_convergence_criteria
Without Theo Waigel the EU would not exist today. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_Waigel
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I would not draw a line between the Nazi History of Germany and Angela Merkel. That is a bit far fetched. She is a corporatista and a capitalist. WE have these guys running and indebting our country currently. What is little NZ gonna say when the overseas interests that hold our debt come collecting?
There were things about Merkel’s background that were similar to those of Margaret Thatcher’s. Wikipedia –
Margaret Thatcher’s father was a Methodist, he was a grocer, and also a local preacher and was in local politics being Mayor of Grantham for a short time.
She was originally a research chemist, then became a barrister….
She was influenced at university by political works such as Friedrich von Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom (1944), which condemned economic intervention by government as a precursor to an authoritarian state…
In 1948 she applied for a job at ICI, but was rejected after the personnel department assessed her as “headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated”…
She stood for Dartford in early 1950s elections and did well, losing but greatly reducing the Labour majority. She married. She qualified as a barrister and specialised in taxation in 1953, and that year also had twins.
…Angela Merkel was born Angela Dorothea Kasner on July 17, 1954, in Hamburg, Germany. The daughter of a Lutheran pastor and teacher, Merkel grew up in a rural area north of Berlin…
I didn’t know she was born in Hamburg. Weird to think of people moving from the Bundesrepublik to the DDR, the traffic was mostly the other way. The Kasners must have been spitting when they discovered what “really-existing socialism” meant in practice.
The awful truth about feminism exposed at last!
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jun/22/bridget-christie-feminists-sex-men-book-extract
Lordy. More and more blather
She’s a comedian so she can’t be a feminist obviously.
Good point!
Is that because she does not have a t-shirt?
lol:
Yup.
Most of those bourgeois women who act like lionesses in the struggle against “male prerogatives” would trot like docile lambs in the camp of conservative and clerical reaction if they had suffrage.
– Rosa Luxemburg
How clear thinking Rosa was? And a genuine lioness too, methinks.
“New Zealand’s five major banks are on track for another bumper year, with profits already up strongly in the first quarter.
ANZ, ASB, BNZ, Kiwibank and Westpac made $1.69 billion of pre-tax profit in the three months to March 31, up 5.9 per cent from the last quarter of 2014.
The gains came from an increase in “other” operating income and lower expenses, offset by falling interest income and a higher level of bad loans.
Total gross loans increased by $6b, or 1.9 per cent, but interest income fell slightly.
PwC partner and banking and capital markets leader Sam Shuttleworth said that reflected the very competitive lending market.”
above average wage increases all round for the workers, right? To reflect/acknowledge that no company can make profit without great work by all its employees, right?
the banks make obscene profits
the poor live in substandard housing
this is how our current system works folks
you vote for it
their extraction of profits is the taking of financial capital from every sector of NZ and from every household in NZ
$7B pa, gone into the pockets of the banksters
And both National and Labour are fine with it
Is CR a radical Green or Mana voter?
self-loathing labourite.
down with the bankster occupation of the global economy
@McFlock
And yourself?
currently between parties.
With comments like that, CR can only be Mana (and to the left of Minto).
you really don’t pay attention, do you.
Being against the banker occupation of the global economy has nothing to do with any political party, shit head.
Excellent response there Colonial couldn’t have said it better,
unfortunately I suspect that political parties are going to become increasingly useless and disconnected just at the time we need effective democratic political representation the most.
@CR
Yeah that seems to be it. Damn damn damn damn. Now what?
Been asking myself that very question for months.
Are you an idiot, a schmuck or both?
And what are you? You sound like hard core ACT to me. Down with government and all that.
FYI
____________________________________________________________________________________
23 June 2015
Mayor Len Brown
‘Open Letter’ /Request for speaking rights at Auckland Council Governing Body Meeting, Thursday 25 June 2015
Dear Mayor,
I wish to address the Auckland Council Governing Body Meeting, under ‘Public Forum’ on the following matters:
1) The failure of Auckland Council to provide information on how Auckland Council Rates Assessment Notices and Rates Invoices are double-checked for statutory compliance with the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002, in the LGOIMA reply received (3 months late) on 1 May 2015, on the grounds this information was ‘legally privileged’.
2) The request from Auckland transport for an ‘extension of time’ to my LGOIMA request, that they provide information about the amount of public subsidy for private passenger transport providers of Auckland bus, ferry and rail operation and management, information which I believe is critical before the proposed ‘transport levy’ is voted upon.
3) Concerns about how the ‘Special Housing Areas’ have been generated by the, in my view, purported Auckland ‘housing crisis’, which has been based upon the use, by yourself and (former) Chief Planning Officer, Dr Roger Blakeley, of the Department of Statistics ‘high’ population growth projections, when they recommended ‘medium’ – an extra 300,000 people, and my consideration of another Parliamentary Select Committee of Inquiry into this matter.
4) My concerns, as an ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’, of the alleged use of the Auckland real estate market for ‘money-laundering’, and what is Auckland Council doing to minimise this risk.
5) A formal request, in the interests of transparency and accountability, for you, Mayor Len Brown, to voluntarily provide the ‘Trust Deed’ for the New Auckland Council Trust, so that the public can see who are your main financial backers.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/69510920/Police-investigation-into-750K-of-secret-donors-stymied
Yours sincerely,
Penny Bright
…………………………………
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
2009 Attendee Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2010 Attendee Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
2013 Attendee Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2014 Attendee G20 Anti-Corruption Conference
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polled 4th with 11,723 votes)
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
+100 Penny
http://givealittle.co.nz/cause/stopstealingourharbour
Send to Len Brown and Steven Town.
Looks like j key is going to have to resort to *rent a crowd* for the meetings on the flag change. Apparently 13 in Auckland BUT 50 IN Invercargill. Woohoo! What else is there to do in Invercargill?
Where can you buy t-shirts with the New Zealand flag emblazoned on them?!
…I want one …or two ..or three
…be a good money maker for the NZLP or NZF or the Greens
( no one wants this jonkey corporate vanity project flag…and the committee being used to steer it reads like a list of wannabes, crooks and trash )
…pity it is costing the new Zealand taxpayer so much money …$ 28 million?… when New Zealanders are going hungry, cold , without state housing, young people cant afford tertiary education, Continuing Education has been axed ,State Assets have been sold , NZ soldiers have been sent to Iraq, health funding has been cut…and secret corporate rip off TPP looms
I had a look in google Chooky thinking your idea was good. Couldn’t see any with flag itself. I did see one with a kiwi wearing a flag. There should be someone who churns them out. Maybe a souveniers company?
@ greywarshark ….thanx …I wanna one!…(or two …or three)
@ Chooky
I have just had another look to see how much they cost.
Kiwi wearing a flag
http://www.armyandoutdoors.co.nz/clothing/t-shirts-singlets-polos/plain-print-tees/kiwi-t-shirt
and
flag tshirt over $30
http://www.zazzle.co.nz/new+zealand+flag+tshirts
and
A ‘distressed’ flag for $13 has sold out in Medium size
http://www.marine-deals.co.nz/shirt/new-zealand-flag-t-shirt
(Those on nz flag t shirt and if add the word ‘design’ you get a lot of images with huge options.)
watch the Ads change to food and drinks available…
you would get a lot of drinks and food for $28 million
Judging by the meeting I went to, the email had gone out to the local Nat party members to come along and make the place look less empty. must do a post on this soon – something didn’t feel quite right about the whole deal
UK LAB leadership candidates booed at leadership hustings
The 3 major leadership candidates refuse to condemn Tory benefit cuts, are all for replacing Trident nuclear missile submarines.
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-06-20/labour-leadership-candidates-booed-at-campaign-hustings/
That’s not the first time ‘the big three’ have been booed by Labour members. This time, same as last time, it appears that Jeremy Corbyn is the only one of the four who ‘gets it’.
What does it say that the more popular candidate, at least as far as audience reaction goes, is continually poo-pooed by major media?
That’s a rhetorical question btw.
UK Labour is going the way of the moa/dodo/dinosaur. It is inevitable: Boris Johnson will be the next PM (two terms).
Clean Power, are you trying to tell us that after another 5 years of Camorons austerity if there is not a revolution before hand, that the Tories are going to win with that fucking clown Johnson as premier for 10 further years.
I cannot see that happening as long as your arseole points downwards.
So – in whose interests is NZ Prime Minister John Key working …….?
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/tpp-dairy-deal-not-level-we-would-currently-like-key-b-174529?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NBR%2520Heads%2520Up
The Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact does not yet include an acceptable deal on access for New Zealand’s most important exports, dairy products, with little more than a month to go before the controversial 12 nation trade deal could be concluded.
“I think the way I would describe it is there’s a deal. It’s probably not at the level that we would currently like,” said Prime Minister John Key at his post-Cabinet press conference in Wellington. He was referring to comments last week by Trade Minister Tim Groser that negotiations on dairy access to the heavily protected US, Canadian and Japanese markets had “barely started.”
A vote is due in the US Senate as early as mid-week to grant “fast-track” negotiating authority to US President Barack Obama to conclude the deal after a crucial vote in the Congress last Thursday left the Senate as the final hurdle.
Key took issue with Groser’s comments to BusinessDesk last week that there was so far “no deal” on dairy products.
“It’s not to say that there’s a bad deal on dairy products, it’s more to say that there’s no deal,” Groser said last week. “We’ve barely started. Phony negotiating positions have been put on the table but that doesn’t help a professional negotiator make a judgement as to where the landing zone is.”
However, Key said: “From what I’ve seen at the moment, if in theory we froze time and concluded the deal as I see it, it’s net positive for New Zealand. But it wouldn’t be doing enough for dairy for us to be comfortable and we would like to do some more there. There are a lot of other sectors that would be very happy about it.”
Key said his “gut instinct” was that the Senate would follow the US Congress, which by a narrow vote last week approved US President Barack Obama’s so-called “fast-track” authority to negotiate a conclusion to the TPP deal. “We’ll eventually get the chance to potentially get a deal before the summer recess” Key said.
……..
Thing is, opening up the US dairy market or even any of the others won’t get NZ dairy into those markets as they’re all quite capable of producing their own dairy. Hell, the US has been ramping up dairy production for years now and will probably end up flooding their own home market and thus will need other countries to dump excess on which will probably include NZ.
Someone do a request for how much the taxpayer has paid for Groser to be conducting these ‘forced’ trade deals and then see what could the money be better spent on.
The poor and increasingly former middle class starve and freeze in NZ while our money is spent on hair straighteners and junkets for Groser to further enslave us..
In a similar vein in Auckland Council, the public COO Ports of Auckland illegally try to steal our harbour and the council use the ratepayer money on barristers to defend it.
Oh another rates increase….. And the public has to pay to defend themselves from the illegal actions of the council resource consent officers….
A check on Groser’s mini-bar costs would be revealing !
Christine Rankin has jumped ship:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69626551/Christine-Rankin-resigns-from-Conservatives-over-Colin-Craig-sex-scandal
Er, ‘sex scandal’? Really?
Who cares?
That headline is appalling. It actually distracts from what seems to be suggested which is a form of sexual harrassment (if true). So it serves no one but the stupid editorial push for salacious headlines.
The headline was swiftly replaced by something blander, Tracey. I can imagine why!
Self-acceptance and harassment
Watching a youtube clip about internet harassment posted here today, it doesn’t escape notice that people often use the internet because of a lack of close relationships that allow them to express themselves freely, without threat of violence or punitive repercussions. I certainly use it for that reason.
Fighting everyone all the time about everything wears thin after a few decades, sooner, for those with little to no social status. Expecting one person to win against the collective power of any culture is a big ask, and the internet is the perfect place to resume that fight and not take so many direct hits. The same distance created by the screen that allows people to be or say what they like, also allows others to reply in an equally negative manner.
I hope the solution is obvious, though clearly not so obvious that people can easily access multifarious, safe, real-life, community. Some of the problem will be that the more vulnerable aspects of their personality or lifestyle they still, themselves, find embarrassing in some way; or by being overly aware of the cultural value attached to it, or something along those lines.
It’s a matter of accepting oneself first, he says, but in the classic catch-22 situation, people often can’t access that place in real life until real life allows them to access that place. To say it’s difficult, time-consuming and expensive to overcome one’s own emotional and psychological tendencies and scars and just accept oneself is gross understatement. It’s one of the times that “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and doing it all yourself” is not practical advice. That idea just makes it worse.
Doing it all yourself is contraindicated, because even if you are “successful” you’ll end up isolated in your own personal – if safe – world; a world which divorces a person from the social interface of a healthy psyche. It’s not all bad, though: living in your own personal world might make you an expert observer of the human condition, an academic unrestrained by official ideology, an artist of particular skill; or perhaps some unforeseen disastrous external event will catapult you into a position to act for the social good, with well-honed skills that mainstream people will never have developed. On a day-to-day basis though, it’s likely to be all small private victories, and mostly failures, and not much in the surrounding external culture will change.
Nothing gets done by one woman or one man against the World. It’s what we like to tell ourselves, though: it’s great flattery, good for destructive myths and Hollywood movies – and most often distorted by economic theory.
All the great people of progressive social change depended on their ideas being enacted and supported by other people who could act, by followers in the thousands, if not millions. The World, and the British, were in India before Gandhi was born. Social Chaos reigned before Muhammad had his vision of a new way of living. King Herod was already ruthless and threatened before he attempted to kill Jesus of Nazareth. Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. were spokespeople of a collective awareness, not isolated individual saviours. And anyone else who starts today isn’t the source of their own future power. Not even John Key created the trends of the National Party… though you could argue that last one isn’t into social progressive anything, or particularly “great” in a World history sense. Sorry, John.
Accepting oneself… the many methods and the associated fear, yes… that’s what I was attempting to say. What’s some of the misunderstood and early blockades to self-acceptance? Reminding myself of them could be good exercise… if a little pedestrian…
“If this person looks like me and thinks like me… they seem like nice people… no wait, they’re that …I could be them! I can’t be them. I hate that idea, it disgusts me. I have too much to lose. No, I must reject that person to protect myself, my family, my way of life.”
Whoa, whoa there cowboy! The reasons why things happen in other people’s brains is not caused by external indicators. The gene for skin colour does not also assure gender. Dressing in jeans and a t-shirt doesn’t mean you listen to rock music. Wearing a skirt doesn’t make you a woman, in the same way as wearing Rayban sunglasses will not instantly make you “cool”.
New Age ideas that have crept into progressive culture have been ruthlessly trimmed down to “We are all the same, we are all one” – except we aren’t and never were. The philosophical origin of those New Age ideas says, “We are all from the same original source, made of the same life-breath, which takes the form it must to maintain balance in the world. The reasons we are all different is unknown.” This means we should respect the inherent life force within each other, whatever our external appearance; not that we are all the same person, will turn into the same person under the correct circumstances; or that by sitting next to the disabled person on the bus your leg will begin to twist; or if a poor person lives next door to you you’ll lose your inherent personal worth; or that if you hug a transgender person (with their permission, of course) your dick will fall off. Although it’s good to find the commonalities between each of us (for the sake of exercising compassion, for example), the differences are equally important. Focussing on either at detriment of the other will cause problems and manifest in rejection and division.
“My brain can’t take this shit, I think I have an identity crisis going. Entertaining the idea of dealing with these different people shakes me up too much!”
Congratulations, you’ve fallen in the deep-end of self-acceptance! Already you’ve learned that ideas cannot maintain a static reality, but if you could calmly paddle back to the shallow end of the pool, that’d be best for everyone, and possibly you, too. But if you enjoy it there, swim around a bit. Make your own calls. The most important thing to remember is this: I am not you, you are not me, in human form we are separate beings, that’s the law of Nature. Unless someone is rushing at you with an axe, there is no other immediate physical threat. So no need for abuse towards the thing that you think you fear.
Telling a fearful brain the above is not really possible while it’s freaking out, although forewarned is well-armed. Sometimes the psychological threat is enough to instil terror. The best I can offer is anecdotal advice: Last time I was in identity crisis town, the loss of conscious control did not give me up to imagined wild extremes. One thing did not follow another. The sense of terror in potentially having no conscious control, while impressively overwhelming, did not automatically become what I thought it might, what logic thought it could. Logic was gone, so did not apply. If you ever go there, if you even just take a quick trip past there, remember that nothing happens till it happens. Remember that feeling of the incredible vastness of the unknown: that’s how big people are, not some small description of lifestyle, gender, skin colour or socio-economic status. When you get back, you’ll have proved to yourself you have the courage to face any other thought you might have, and the courage to refuse the urge to restrict people to your own categorisations.
“So, what, I have to give everything up my house and BMW and go find less fortunate people to help?”
Only if it eventually turns out that way. I’m not one to demand you follow the strict either/or of a monotheistic religion for your behavioural cues. It always disturbed me that when the rich man who realised he couldn’t follow Jesus example turned away sadly, that Jesus didn’t immediately add, “Oh but hey, you should totally check out XYZ religion… they have a temple about two days that direction, you’ll fit right in there. You’re doing ok, bro, don’t be discouraged!” Maybe he did. Already there’s a lot of paper in the bible. They might’ve edited for brevity.
Do what comes naturally, progressively, whatever you feel. Don’t follow a list of common misconstrued expectations. Forcing the issue out of guilt, duty or collective identity of the group you support is not recommended. It won’t be true, and if anything goes wrong, if your expectations of gratitude or outcome are not met, you’ll blame the people you tried to help instead of realising you didn’t understand your own motivations. Just be where you are, change what you know you can change. That feeling of discomfort when you know something is not quite right, as you’re doing it and that goes away shortly afterwards, that’s your conscience alerting you to inspect why you do things.
Do you occasionally resent or avoid the people you help?
Then how are you neglecting yourself? What personal requirements are you not getting and instead filling that gap with consumption of material accumulation, personal sacrifice, or comforting and strictly ideological ideas? Are they helpful, overall, or do they need to be adjusted?
“My losses are in the past, the neglect was in the past, I can’t change what I never had, I can’t go back and stop things happening that happened. Nothing in the present will change the way I am. The changes I would have to make would hurt too many people. I can’t take another failure.”
That’s up to you to decide. Shit happens to everyone. Thanks to us all actively or passively supporting our respective cultures, shit happens a lot more to some than others – a lot more. But we’ve also identified that punishing other people for our pain isn’t right either, neither is sneakily spreading it around a little to ease our relatively lighter load. No matter what we do to them, it can’t solve our past, or our present predicament.
I get the impression that many people think culture is made by external authority, then people conform to it, when in actual fact people express their internal attitudes externally, and the collective similarities become culture. Soon as people consciously choose to conform, rather than express, culture begins to stagnate and die. The problem we often see in NZ is that one part of the collective expressive range is shamed into repressed non-existence.
Failure doesn’t exist. Like most things in the Western mind-set the idea of failure depends on someone arbitrarily stopping a hypothetical clock, halting the inexorable continuum of time as we know it, and saying, “Done. You’ve failed, you’ve lost, conclusively. Global, galactic, Universal Time has stopped and nothing more can happen.” A person can miss a deadline, there may be consequences to that missed time-point, but time will continue and so will you. Calling someone a loser, a failure, or useless, is a gross expression of idiocy – and their pain, as described above. Failing to boil a potato doesn’t mean you’ve failed as a parent, or that you can’t refill the pot and try again. As long as time happens, as long as you’re alive, there is opportunity to continue constructively in some way.
”Nup, way too hard, too much effort, no time, no interest, nothing in it for me, too many other things to do. Life is good. Fuck off, you idiot loser.”
Other than finding opinions that make me think, the aspect I enjoy the most about this place is that I can say my idiotic piece to whoever wants to listen, relatively unmolested and not often censored, whereas in other places I can’t.
If we attempt to create spaces in real life, and in ourselves, where other people can risk (if they want to) admitting, suggesting, or implying by omission that they’re fucked-up too, without the either of us deriding, punishing or shaming the other, maybe together we can help each other progress. It’s a big ask, but the risk of harassment in such a space would be minimal:
“Oh hey did you hear about that person?”
“No, what happened?”
“Turns out they’re human.”
“Me too!”
“Cool!”
“That’s what I thought.”
“We should go see if they have any cake…”
Sounds like the best anyone can do.
For harassment to work, we have to have collectively agreed to promote the idea that some things that are simply human, and some things that don’t even exist, are wrong, worth ridicule, or are shameful. If strong supportive real-life communities existed, the idea of sticking someone’s face to a chipmunk body and saying they were available for sex and posting it online would not only not happen, but if it did, people would just move on – secure in their safe realities, with no reputation to uphold – and not attempt suicide as a first-option response. Their psyche would either be strong to the threat, resilient to the impact, or they’d be immediately supported by someone who could help.
The reason we don’t have supportive strong community is because we think we’re all isolated individuals who must do it all by ourselves or be deemed worthless. The internet has failed to provide safe communities. Legislating punishments won’t change that, and might inadvertently let us go on believing destructive ideas about other people. Opportunity for progressive social change may still exist in real life, starting with the attitudes we measure ourselves by.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201506/anti-intellectualism-is-killing-america
Don’t know the form for posting links but thought this an interesting read and you could almost replace America with New Zealand as we seem to be slavishly following the Great American Way
So much for economic liberalisation as the Royal Road to growth and productivity.
The Market will provide.
Look, here it is, providing.
The experiment has failed. Drag it ’round the back of the barn and kill it with an axe.
That one I’m not complaining about, nice to have no planes fly over head.
That said, I agree – capitalism, post-scarcity capitalism, or what ever name it’s running by this week – needs to be put out of it’s misery. It’s going to kill us all, look, we tried reforming it – and that did not work – it just kept on monopolising and burning up everything.
What’s a lay person’s definition of madness again…
It’s well past time we applied that to the current economic thinking…
A technical fault in a radar system proves that the Free Market system has failed?
And implies that under a different system all technology would work perfectly?
1000 lashes for a criminal abuse of the noble science of Logic OAB.
It’s another piece in a jigsaw of which we have the vast majority of the pieces in place already. Most of them have been there for centuries.
Get some perspective.
If your ‘jigsaw’ is representative of the state of left wing logic, it’s no wonder that even in Denmark voters are turning Centre Right.
See, I can make a logical linkage every bit as dumb as the one you make above.
nah, yours are way dumber
Oh clever Sheep! You made your very own shiny strawman and knocked him down! Aww!
Piece of jigsaw, “proof”. Do you know the difference? Apparently not.
“A technical fault in a radar system proves that the Free Market system has failed?”
No. But see my link in 15 above for some evidence that it is hardly gold-plated economic wisdom.
URGENT ‘Open Letter’ /OIA request to NZ Prime Minister John Key, regarding the TPPA, from ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’ Penny Bright:
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23 June 2015
Dear Prime Minister,
Please be reminded of your extensive employment background in the investment banking industry, including your significant role in the ‘derivatives trading market’:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/john-key
“Mr Key launched his investment banking career in New Zealand in the mid-1980s.
After 10 years in the New Zealand market he headed offshore, working in Singapore, London, and Sydney for US investment banking firm Merrill Lynch.
During that time he was in charge of a number of business units, including global foreign exchange and European bond and derivative trading.
In 1999, he was invited to join the Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and on two occasions undertook management studies at Harvard University in Boston. ”
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Please be reminded (again), that according to the 2015 NZ Register of Pecuniary Interests, you are (still) a shareholder in the Bank of America:
http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-nz/00CLOOCMPPFinInterests20151/8bb43d9064b110c19c88349a36301a9580cfb3ed
“Rt Hon John Key (National, Helensville)
2 Other companies and business entities
Little Nell – property investment (Aspen, Colorado)
Bank of America – banking ”
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(Please be reminded, that I have previously asked you about your personal shareholding in the Bank of America, back in February 2011, at the following Grey Power Public Meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwNoaOpDMw
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Please provide the information which confirms that:
1) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT provide big banks with a backdoor means of rolling back efforts to re-regulate Wall Street in the wake of the global economic crisis.
2) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT require domestic law to conform to the now-rejected model of extreme deregulation that caused the crisis – such as forbidding countries from banning particularly risky financial products, such as the toxic derivatives that led to the $183 billion government bailout of AIG.
3) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT threaten the use of “firewalls” – policies that are employed to stop the spread of risk between different types of financial institutions and products.
4) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT bar the reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall Act, that helped eliminate banking crises for four decades by prohibiting deposit-holding commercial banks from dealing in risky investments.
5) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT ban capital controls, an essential policy tool to counter destabilizing flows of speculative money.
6)The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT prohibit taxes on Wall Street speculation, that means that there would be no hope of passing proposals like the Robin Hood Tax, which would impose a tiny tax on Wall Street transactions to tamp down speculation-fueled volatility while generating hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of revenue for social, health, or environmental causes.
7) The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA), will NOT empower financial firms to directly attack these government policies in foreign tribunals, and demand taxpayer compensation for policies they claim undermine their expected future profits.
(Please be advised that I have based these questions upon information from the following:
http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPPImpacts_FinRegulation.html )
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If you cannot provide ALL of this above-requested information, please confirm that you, as the Prime Minister of New Zealand, will no longer continue to advocate for, or in any way support this TPPA, from which you may personally profit, given your shareholding in the Bank of America, which, in my considered opinion as an ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’, is potentially a significant corrupt ‘conflict of interest’.
Yours sincerely,
Penny Bright
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‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
2009 Attendee Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2010 Attendee Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference
2013 Attendee Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference
2014 Attendee G20 Anti-Corruption Conference
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polled 4th with 11,723 votes)
2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate
Grindingly slow science discovers: chemicals considered individually safe may act together in the human body to cause cancer
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/23/exposure-to-mixture-of-chemicals-may-trigger-cancer-scientists-find
Not all of us can read the matrix code as it flies by, or great one. Some of us need things like “evidence” before we leap to a conclusion.
But keep up with that anti-science schtick. It really shows how much of an authority you are when it comes to logic.
CR yesterday: Pffft science!
CR today: This science isn’t fast enough!
CV is a complete jerk. He knew all along that these chemicals together would cause cancer, but he refused to tell anyone, instead he kept it for himself.
while Big Chiropracty makes a killing curing it with spinal manipulation, and Big Homeopathy refuses to add the cure to the municipal water supply in statistically non-existent concentrations.
He does have a point though. Why has it taken science so long to explore this hypothesis? People have been talking about it for a very long time.
the big money for academics, researchers and journals is in testing new drugs for Big Pharma, one chemical at a time. There simply is much less money and career reward in doing this kind of much more complex public good work.
the big money for academics…
Hahahahahahaha. Oh, you are a card.
cad?
“A card.” Hugely old-fashioned term for someone amusing or witty.
Because generally experimenting on humans is frowned upon, and population-based studies are very time consuming an expensive.
The simple answer is that society doesn’t dedicate enough money towards science.
Given that science has helped lead us into this civilisational dead end, that’s no surprise.
Everything about civilisation has lead us to this dead end.
Pillorying ‘science’ as the root of all evil is quite bizarre.
It’s the one which has created the means to destroy the entire world in under 6 hours (global nuclear warfare) so it’s up there in the rankings.
what lanth said.
And factors that work together disproportionately are exponentially more difficult to identify above margin for error, replicate the results a few times, and then filter out into the general safety/awareness system.
Things like smoking/lung cancer and asbestos/asbestosis are exceptionally low-hanging fruit.
Look at sudi/sids/cot death: smoking was an easily identified risk factor, bedsharing/sleeping arrangements less clear. But only a few years ago was the disproportionate association between the two identified: as risk factors together, they multiply rather than add.
That took epidemiology to identify and pig models to determine a biologically-plausible mechanism by which it manifests before a variety of responses/interventions could be piloted. And both of those were identified and measured risk factors before the relationship was identified.
So yeah, it took a whilefor researchers to go through the obvious ones before individually benign factors were compared together on a macro scale to find an association.
The problem is that CR’s list of things that his hippie friends were concerned about that have not and will never be associated with an actual hazard is impossible to collate due to the illogical nature of confirmation bias and our inability to foresee the future.
Sure, complexity, but I also think it’s because once you go down this track it’s harder to hang on to the reductionist world view. And that presents other problems, like how to deal with individual reactions to chemicals.
I’m not particularly surprised at that.
surprised at what?
That some commenters here would believe that a research direction his put off because any resulting data might actually raise further research problems and challenge the scientist’s reductio-whosie-whatsits to a comparable degree as the basic volume of data and methodological complexity required to explore a research question. After all, scientists are terrified of learning anything new.
I mean, even a couple of decades ago the technology might not have existed to even examine the possible low-incidence interactions between an assortment of random chemicals to create an unknown health effect in a large, international population for a study that involves global collaboration of researchers in a timely and not-space-program-expensive manner. But no, I’m not surprised that some commenters here would feel that a significant factor in preventing this research in the 1980s or 90s would simply be the hesitancy of a scientist to have their “reductionist world view” challenged.
Fuck off McFLock. I’m not even going to bother reading that properly. I’m not ‘some commenters’, I’m one commenter. If you can’t address the points in the actual comments I make and feel a need to make generic statements about unspecified arguments that just feeds the impression that your ideology is blinding you here.
“After all, scientists are terrified of learning anything new.”
Fuck off again. I’m guessing that you actually have no idea what I meant by my comment and instead of engaging meaningfully and asking, you just kept on with the prejudicial diatribes.
So you won’t read it properly, then claim I never addressed the point.
Allow me to expand on some of the points you couldn’t be bothered reading:
Sometimes shit doesn’t get looked at because the technology doesn’t exist to look at it and there is more low-hanging fruit to look at. But nah, you leap at the idea that it’s because scientists don’t want to change their world view. When in fact robustly demonstrating something that requires a revolutionary change in understanding would actually make a scientist’s career – look at the holographic universe theory, or gastric ulcers being caused by bacteria.
So nah, I couldn’t then and can’t now be bothered getting into a debate about “reductionist world views”.
Kia ora McFlock
I am anti the arrogance of science. However, I have just attended a science symposium and I thought eureka.
What was so enlightening about this particular convention was an acceptance of a Science – Maatauranga Maaori collaboration.
Maatauranga Maaori is Maaori knowledge and Maaori science
In other words, Science in NZ is acknowledging that an alternative view of existence is valid.
Its an impressive development scientifically, and bi-culturally.
I’d be interested if there was a link to the proceedings.
Don’t let my bickering with CR mislead you – even within the “mainstream” there can be a bit of snickering between the quantitative and qualitative crowds, or even the population vs case analysis crowds, but each of us would be significanty less without the others.
Except chemistry majors. They’re basically the polytech cookery students of the sciences 😛
I am anti the arrogance of science.
For my part, I’m anti the arrogance of culturally-based evidence-free assertions, but we all have our biases.
Kia ora Psycho
” For my part, I am anti the arrogance of culturally-based evidence-free assertions, but we all have our biases.”
Well, stop reading your own posts then.
I think that’s the lolz of the month.
Gawd all you Scientism types are struggling. Ah well, seems like my new age hippy friends were right about the dangers of this environmental chemical cocktail shit 20 years ago. Smart people.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
facile.
And these are the self proclaimed rational scientific intellectual analytical thinkers amongst us.
No, not at all. It’s very easy to declaim that any sort of new science or technology is going to be bad and have bad outcomes, and to be very general about it. Throw enough darts, some of them will hit bulls-eyes occasionally.
But the real point here actually, is that it’s very easy to say “all vaccines are bad”, and then when *a* vaccine is bad, use it as an example that backs up your claim that “all vaccines are bad”, when actually it’s just a one-off occurrence and the vast majority of vaccines are fine.
It reminds me of AFewKnowTheTruth, who was very insistent that come 2015, people would be literally starving to death in Auckland due to peak oil and lack of resources and the entire world economy collapsing. He made a very specific prediction – and was quite clearly wrong. It’s much easier to claim to be correct if you make really vague predictions and then say anything that happens to fit your claim proves you were right all along.
Nostradamus was pretty good at this.
I for one have never said all vaccines are bad
You are the one who has said all vaccines are good
I think each vaccine needs to be judged on its own merits and used only when the situation demands it.
your expression “only when the situation demands it” demonstrates that you have no fucking idea whatsoever.
I wonder what groupings of chemicals are in those vaccinations.
sorry, I missed that as I’m currently dying of sepsis from a shaving cut.
There’s a vaccination for that
no, antibiotics.
But you’ll pretend to have known that already.
antibiotics meh
colloidal silver
lol
a good disinfectant, but not the same.
“sorry, I missed that as I’m currently dying of sepsis from a shaving cut.”
If science were really on the ball, it would be exploring more in depth why you got a blood infection from that particular cut at the particular time and why your mate who shaved himself in the same bathroom cut himself but didn’t get an infection.
If we’d done that we might not be on the verge of running out of antibiotics.
It’s lucky that scientists have sooo many people telling them what they should be researching (or even that we have people like CR who know the answers without dirtying themselves with “evidence”), then.
It’s pretty easy to argue that science shouldn’t be left to scientists alone.
But I see we’re at the let’s just make up smartarse shit point in the conversation.
Night then.
You might want to look up Ignaz Semmelweiss, in the time when people thought bad air caused disease.
“You are the one who has said all vaccines are good”
Pretty sure I haven’t said that, actually. What I would have said is that with modern vaccines, there is no reason to doubt the medical fraternity that they are safe and effective.
The only valid reasons not to receive routine childhood vaccinations are if there’s a specific medical reason why you shouldn’t receive the vaccination, such as compromised immune system, or just allergic to one of the chemicals or processes used to create the vaccine.
They hid critical facts about the MMR vaccination in the UK circa ’88, they hid critical facts about the effectiveness of the MeNZ B vaccination in young children circa 2002, they consistently overstate the practical value of the flu vaccination in preventing deaths, hospitalisations and sick days, they’re hiding critical adverse reaction issues with the HPV vaccination right now.
I don’t think that trusting the authorities at face value is really an option.
Cut the guy some slack yeah. He’s only about 15 years out.
Potentially, but the point is he was making a very specific near-term prediction. The ones that should be more accurate.
Barring completely unexpected events like a solar flare shutting down the electricity grid etc, I think there’s likely to be several years of declining and very bad financial news for the world economy, before it gets to the point of people literally starving to death in Auckland.
indeed, though i would say that younger and older people in Auckland dying of the secondary effects of insufficient nutrition is basically upon us.
Hmm, I’m not sure that the rate of the deaths that you could contribute to those nebulous causes would be any higher now than in the past.
Well, child poverty is way up compared to 1980 so I am guessing there is a big negative effect somewhere there although it is likely hard to quantify exactly…
Death rate amongst children is really quite low. If there had been any noticeable upsurge in child deaths that could be clearly linked to malnutrition, I think we’d have heard about it.
then increasing levels of child poverty perhaps aren’t that big of a problem
Parents tend to starve themselves beforetheir kids, no matter what the fucking tories say.
But we’re also really good at letting kids get sick and saving their lives at the last minute.
“then increasing levels of child poverty perhaps aren’t that big of a problem”
Wow, really? Did you honestly just say, that if children aren’t dying, there mustn’t be a problem with child poverty?
Some pretty high bar you have to reach, there.
Ah well, seems like my new age hippy friends were right about the dangers of this environmental chemical cocktail shit 20 years ago.
You do know that the environment is a chemical cocktail, right? As are we, and any matter in the universe you might not have automatically assumed under the heading “environment.” Still, if your new age hippy friends had some evidence-based insights into what particular combinations of chemicals constitute “dangers,” it’s a shame they never published their findings and reaped the rewards.
Very odd how otherwise intelligent people can’t differentiate various uses of the word ‘chemical’ in context. It’s not the hippies or CV misuing the word (I understood what he meant).
The hippies did publishe their findings, you’ve just been reading the wrong things.
[Sitting date: 23 June 2015. Volume:706;Page:11.
Text is subject to correction.]
9. FLETCHER TABUTEAU (NZ First) to the Prime Minister : Does he stand by all his statements?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY (Prime Minister): Yes.
Fletcher Tabuteau : Given that he stated that all New Zealanders should trust him regarding the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal, why then, with the endgame now playing out and after years of negotiations, is your Minister of Trade now saying: “It’s not to say that there’s a bad deal on dairy products; it’s more to say that there’s no deal.”?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY : Because the Minister is technically correct. We are in a negotiating phase, and so there is not actually a completed deal yet.
Fletcher Tabuteau : In saying that he would like to do some more for the dairy industry, what will he do for Beef and Lamb New Zealand and the Fonterra Cooperative Group, which have gone on record saying that they would struggle to support the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement if, like the Chinese free-trade deal and the South Korean free-trade deal, there are no actual free-trade clauses for them in the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement?
Rt Hon JOHN KEY : The member will have to wait and see, on the basis that the US Senate ultimately gets through it and we get to a deal. But on the basis of what I have seen as being proposed at the moment, I think net-on-net the benefits are positive for New Zealand, and many sectors, I think, will be happy.
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So – is NZ Prime Minister John Key primarily working for NZ’s Fonterra – or the Bank of America?
Follow the dollar ….. ?
In which company does Prime Minister John Key have shares?
Oh – that’s right.
The Bank of America …..
Happy with THAT New Zealanders?
I’m not.
Penny Bright
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
+100 Penny…good questions!
MS sufferer who cannot walk, talk or feed himself told to attend job center for interviews: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/multiple-sclerosis-sufferer-who-communicates-5928207
…that is so disgraceful it is funny…and this sort of thing is what Bill English and jonkey nactional have plans for in New Zealand
goldfish moment – mouth opening and closing, but no words fit the idea
‘‘Saudi Cables release is just one tenth of what we have’ – WikiLeaks to RT’
http://rt.com/news/268948-wikileaks-saudi-documents-new/
…“We are seeing how the oil money is being used to increase influence of Saudi Arabia which is substantial of course – this is ally of the US and the UK. And since this spring it has been waging war in neighboring Yemen,” Icelandic investigative journalist and spokesperson for the WikiLeaks organization Kristinn Hrafnsson told RT.
On Friday, the whistleblowing website released the first tranche of nearly 70,000 secret government files, providing an insight into the kingdom’s interior and foreign policies. Hrafnsson said that this is “only one tenth of the documents that we have which, will be released in the coming weeks.”…
( God bless wikileaks and Julian Assange …and investigative journalists for revealing the truth and fighting oppression and corruption)
+1
well CR…we do agree on some things like homeopathy… and vaccines…wikileaks…good to see
we agree on most things, some details to be worked out here and there of course 🙂
this is making me nervous! too much niceness in the comment thread 😉
heh I admit I’ve been oppositional of late but hope all are in good spirits, ropata
It could be very explosive if they’ve got any classified reports on their true oil reserves…
Unjammed the RSS feed. It was choking on some bad RSS / HTML in the last post from WatchBlog.
I have trashed picking up from that site for the moment, dropped all of their entries, and kicked the cache to get rid of it.
Thanks for that – and if I have not said before – thanks for the Evening Report feed.
Really enjoying Evening Report.
Selwyn is doing a pretty good job on it. Wide ranging, interesting…
Test comment for Edge 0.11 on Windows 10
So far I haven’t seen any problems.
Even the re-edit editor works.