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Open mike 25/06/2016

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  1. Paul 1

    How much longer are people going to keep listening to this clown Key?
    Like his mate,Cameron, he should resign.

    Brexit’s impact on NZ will be limited – PM
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/307217/brexit's-impact-on-nz-will-be-limited-pm

    Brexit raises risk of global recession as financial markets plunge worldwide
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11663229

    • AsleepWhileWalking 1.1

      I thought the Brexit vote wasn’t binding? In the end I guess it doesn’t matter because if it didn’t happen it would be Greece, Spain, Italy….

      On the downside NZ will be affected if this triggers Deutsche Bank – this would cause a banking shutdown. **Suggest everyone has cash on their person, twenties and lower just in case.** (just a sensible precaution)

  2. Paul 2

    Didn’t take long for the Herald to find a trivial angle about Brexit.
    What Brexit means for UK Sport.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11663247

    And to uncover celebrity distractions.
    Prince William mocks Duchess’ cooking skills.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11662103

    The media is a big part of the problem.

    • Paul 2.1

      Another trivial angle about Brexit.

      How Brexit outcome could affect Game of Thrones
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11662693

      The media is a big part of the problem.

    • Chooky 2.2

      This is an interesting discussion on Brexit (unlike most mainstream media)

      ‘Brexit: Goal!’

      https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/348295-brexit-goal-uk-eu/

      “Well it’s happened! Citizens of the UK have decided to call it quits. The decades-long debate whether to remain part of the Europe Union has been settled. Brexit is a reality. What’s next?

      CrossTalking with Xavier Moreau, John Laughland, and Alexander Mercouris.”

      • Paul 2.2.1

        Max Keiser predicts contagion.

        • Chooky 2.2.1.1

          thanks Paul…and this also just up

          https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/348318-episode-max-keiser-932/

          “Max and Stacy are joined from New York City by Mitch Feierstein of PlanetPonzi.com to dissect the economic, monetary and financial consequences of the ‘shocking’ Brexit vote – Britain votes to leave the European Union. The Keiser Report team look closer at the market sell off and ask if it’s part of a wider market weakness set in motion months ago, then examine the role of the media, much as in the rise of Donald Trump, in simply failing to understand the ‘disposable’ voters left behind by globalization. Mitch shows a chart proving that the biggest pound sterling sell-off was actually in 2008 and the currency has never really recovered since then. Finally, they look at the opportunities presented by panic selling.”

  3. b waghorn 3

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11662901

    Roughan proving once and for all he’s thick. The most unrealistic unworkable plan for aucks traffic ever invented.

    • I Feel Love 3.1

      Rather quaint really, “They are as likely to be a parent with a child due at a piano lesson, or a tradesman trying to catch up on his job sheet” Or a Victorian lady on her way to have scones & high tea tra-la-la-la… It’s like he’s living in a bygone era, must be forever 18th century on Planet Key.

      • b waghorn 3.1.1

        What he really wants is a passage for the ruling class. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasari_Corridor

        • dukeofurl 3.1.1.1

          Exactly
          ” I often wish one lane was tolled. It’s not that I want to use it necessarily, it’s that it would let all the lanes flow well’

          Let all lanes flow well ??? Its too stupid for words.
          We would never allow the internet to be like that

          What they all seem to hyave woken up to is that the car makers have latched onto the money making potential of knowing where the car owners live and drive too. Same as Google makes billions out of knowing where we go on the web and offering ads tailored to that.
          car makers will combine automated driving along with a record of exactly where the vehicle went and when.
          the government will want all of that knowledge as well, especially as the car owner will pass it on free.

      • North 3.1.2

        Yes the sweet ‘quaint’ of it. Trolley buses coming off their wires right outside Smith & Caughey circa 1962. And losing 7 year old ‘baby’ brother to the free Farmers bus……..

    • Paul 3.2

      Roughan must be a candidate for the wretched journalist in New Zealand.
      So much sycophancy, so little intellect.
      Guess that’s why he has a senior role at the Herald.

      • Visubversa 3.2.1

        He was the chap who said that the Northern Busway would be an expensive white elephant. Now something like 40% of the traffic from the North Shore across the bridge is by bus, and the busway is so successful it is being extended. Whatever he says about transport is likely to be wrong.

        • Paul 3.2.1.1

          He also is the person who wrote the hagiography of Key.

          • dukeofurl 3.2.1.1.1

            Thats how hes kept his senior job at the Herald while all around has changed dramatically. pulled some strings

    • Ad 3.3

      Lexus Lanes.
      never worked.

      Best Lexus Lane in Auckland is the North Shore Busway.
      Wave to the morons in cars as you rush by.
      For $4.10

    • Draco T Bastard 3.4

      It is simply not true that public transport is the only alternative to traffic congestion. The roads can be made far more efficient with pricing, signalling co-ordinated by GPS and better engineering. The privacy of a personal car that takes you anywhere and is available any time you want it, is one of the best things of modern life and nobody should be persuaded to give it up.

      He really, really doesn’t real economics. The actual availability of resources rather than the availability of money.

      When you put a car on a road the resource available, road space, goes down. As more cars get on the road the road space further declines. As a car goes faster it needs more space to itself further decreasing available road space. Which means that as you increase the number of cars on the road the slower cars have to be.

      Simple physics and what economists and politicians have been denying forever.

      The only way that can be used to get roads moving faster is to get the cars off of them.

      Technology is going to let cars travel closer together at speed. That’s the future.

      No, it really, really isn’t – due to a very physical lack of resources.

  4. Colonial Viper 4

    If you think social unrest in the Middle East is high now – areas surrounding Syria have been in the worst drought for the last 900 or more years. This has been a key factor in countries which were already on a knife edge in terms of food and income eg Syria, Egypt.

    http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-finds-drought-in-eastern-mediterranean-worst-of-past-900-years

  5. Ad 5

    God this is such a good day to be at home in front of the fire watching movies.

    So far I’ve done The Sea Chase with John Wayne and Lana Turner,
    then
    The Martian with Matt Damon and Jessica Chastain,
    and now I’m on to Carol With Kate Blanchett and Rooney Mara

  6. Ad 6

    My next film is The Promised Land.

    Activists out there will love it because Matt Damon is the lead for a fracking company, who goes into a small town, and tries to sign up all the town.

    But then he get completely pantsed by a little ecological activist group.
    It’s pretty funny to see it from the view of a mid-grade corporate guy, who loses hard.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2091473/

    • North 6.1

      Ad……..you write excitingly about your ‘movie’ day. The weather lends. Cosy. Me lucky enough to be in that spot right now.

      But for our whanaunga we know………no writing no movies no cosy no respect no life………Kia Ora Te Puea !

      Shame Shame ShonKey Useless Bastard !

    • b waghorn 6.2

      Want a chilled spine?
      Watch The Road

  7. Paul 7

    Debate: Marama Fox, Axel Gietz on smoking

    People like Axel Gietz should be tried for genocide, not allowed on our news channels.
    I struggle to find words for people who spin for the peddlers of death.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/thenation/debate-marama-fox-axel-gietz-on-smoking-2016062509#axzz4CYy1D9Tn

    • Foreign waka 7.1

      As a non smoker and a defender of democratic rights I saw a response that was so utterly unprofessional that I was ashamed associating myself with any health message as it became a hate message.

      • Whateva Next 7.1.1

        I felt frustrated that the same energy is not used against the alcohol industry, which inflicts so much harm on innocent people, domestic violence, drunk drivers, sick days etc etc.
        Driving tobacco industry underground is all that will happen with current control and belief that NZ will be “smoke free” one day, better to work on making it very uncool, and gradually stop those who will start it because it is a form of “rebellion”

    • weston 7.2

      cant get your links to work a.t.m. paul but i listened to kims interview of the guy this morn and cant say i heard him say anything unreasonable .you would have to admit it would take a very brave man to even attempt to justify any part of a tobacco companies business so good on him for the effort i think and if you ask me spin is quite tangible on all sides of this debate

      • Paul 7.2.1

        Brave?
        Amoral, more like it.
        Do you also regard people who speak for the arms industry and gun lobby heroic and courageous?

        • weston 7.2.1.1

          anyone being chased by a lynch mob who turns and faces his accusers could be called what ?plucky ?would that term be ok with you paul ?

          • Paul 7.2.1.1.1

            Feel free to do the tobacco industry’s job.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 7.2.1.1.2

            “…a lynch mob…”

            Someone was going to hang him from a tree and burn a cross in his front yard? Didn’t the tobacco industry get mixed up in that sort of thing some other place, some other time?

            In any event, if getting called names on tv is lynching in your mind, perhaps you’re protesting a little bit too much, deary.

        • Foreign waka 7.2.1.2

          Arms and guns draws the bow a bit, doesn’t it?
          I would see parallels to the drugs, alcohol and other means of numbing the mind, let alone loosing it. It is astounding seeing such hate tirades focused on one thing whilst the brains of kids are cooked in the backyards with RDT’s and “recreational” drugs. Amoral? Who actually is above all and has a mandate to give such sermons? Start in the home and the nation will take care of itself.

    • srylands 7.3

      “our news channels”
      __

      How are they “our” news channels? They are owned by either the Crown as a shareholder or, in this case, private shareholders. They can put whoever they like on there. Your recourse is limited to the off button.

      • Paul 7.3.1

        Ah, a man prepared to defend the tobacco industry and a government that does not house its citizens.

  8. Paul 8

    Bigger class sizes on their way.
    Extra money being given to private schools.

    Parata refuses to answer Gower’s straightforward questions.
    Government for the 1%.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/thenation/interview-hekia-parata-2016062509#axzz4CYy1D9Tn

  9. Chris 9

    Key says about Hosking:

    “In my experience it doesn’t matter what the personal views are of the journalist – they’ll ask the hard questions,” Key said of Hosking last year.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/81293594/Petition-to-get-rid-of-Mike-Hosking-has-more-than-12-000-supporters

    Guess Campbell’s questions must’ve been too hard otherwise Key would’ve had to get his mate Weldon to roll him.

  10. North 10

    Go Marama !

    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1

      I know where she’s coming from; the comparison with Goebbels wasn’t very clever but.

      • Paul 10.1.1

        Why wasn’t that a good comparison?
        Globally, tobacco use killed 100 million people in the 20th century.
        Axel Gietz is a propagandist for genocide.
        So was Goebbels.

        http://www.tobaccoatlas.org/topic/smokings-death-toll/

        • weka 10.1.1.1

          “Axel Gietz is a propagandist for genocide.”

          Not really. He is a propagandist for corporate killers, but genocide is a specific thing and this is not it.

          • Paul 10.1.1.1.1

            From the dictionary.

            genocide
            noun
            the deliberate killing of a large group of people

            Tobacco companies know their product kills people.
            And they try to sell as much of their product as possible.
            That equates to the deliberate killing of a large group of people

            • weka 10.1.1.1.1.1

              You left out a bit,

              “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.”

              Tobacco companies are equal opportunity killers, they’re not targeting a specific group.

              • North

                Yes genocide or not it is reaping money out of statistically known death. Which has all the curses I have left. Go Marama ! You did it perfectly !

              • Chris

                Yes. Thank goodness for the level playing field.

        • Foreign waka 10.1.1.2

          To compare a anti product campaign to the holocaust is just plain wrong.
          And to use this as a platform to push a personal view is just plain not acceptable. You want to exercise your rights – that’s fine, just do so with the same courtesy that anyone deserves. If you like to join or lead the haters declare what you are and don’t hide behind name calling and associated events that you have obviously no understanding of.

      • weka 10.1.2

        Only bum note in an otherwise excellent piece of work by Fox.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1.2.1

          +1

          To her credit she’s acknowledged that.

        • Paul 10.1.2.2

          ‘especially’…but not exclusively

          • In Vino 10.1.2.2.1

            What dictionary are you using?

            Genocide comes from Greek Genos – species, type or race. So genocide is the killing of a specific race. I suppose that in your world, matricide would include the killing of fathers, and suicide the killing of other people apart from oneself?

            • Paul 10.1.2.2.1.1

              I concede
              🙂

              • In Vino

                Cheer up. I ignore unreliable online dictionaries – stick to Oxford, Collins, etc. We have to keep the right meaning of words. The portrayals in 1984 and Brave New World of what totalitarian rulers might do to our language are frightening. Language is probably the brain’s most important instrument of thought, and we must not allow it to become dumbed-down and debased. Would put smiley face in if I knew how.

                • Anne

                  : )
                  That’s all you need to do – but leave out the space in between.
                  Also… leave a space between the last letter/full stop before typing like this: The boy stood on the burning deck. 🙂

                  PS. If you’re feeling grumpy or you don’t like something. : (

            • weka 10.1.2.2.1.2

              Yes, I think that dictionary definition is unclear (Paul and I appear to have the same one). It talks about ‘group’ but it’s easy to miss from that that it’s a specific group/kind, not just a number of people.

    • Paul 10.2

      “For the last 27 years I have not attended a funeral of someone in our family — and I’ve attended numerous funerals — who has died of natural causes.
      “They [smoking diseases] are putting our people in the graveyard, and you and your companies are addicting people to cigarettes and telling us it’s their free choice and that’s fine, we are going to profit off the death of your people.”

      “You make billions of dollars every year profiting off misery and death. You are a peddler of death.”

      “I am not going to listen to you. I think you should crawl back into the hole that is reserved for the corporate executioners like yourself… I am sorry, I’ve had enough.”

  11. In Vino 11

    Kim Hill pushed this weasel-worder on RNZ this morning. She held back from doing a Fox, but said at the end that she looked forward (or words to that effect) to speaking to him again. I look forward to that too – the weasel needs an interviewer like Kim.

    • Paul 11.1

      He should not get a hearing.

      • In Vino 11.1.1

        Sorry, but that really is totalitarian.

        • Paul 11.1.1.1

          So should we allow arms salespeople to debate why they should be here?

          • In Vino 11.1.1.1.1

            Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Censorship is totalitarian. Argue back and argue better.

            The problem is that in our horribly commercialised society we have become used to the idea that the media can and should be used for indoctrinating instead of debating and enlightening. Censorship never works except in assisting totalitarianism.

            • Incognito 11.1.1.1.1.1

              We have censorship in New Zealand and for good reasons IMO although there are ways around it but these might find you breaking the Law.

              Advertising & (tele)marketing); lobbying; bloggers for hire; propaganda; they all are expressions of free speech, aren’t they?

              So, where do you draw the line if at all? Legal and ethical arguments are not the same.

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