web analytics

Open mike 26/11/2010

Written By: - Date published: 6:00 am, November 26th, 2010 - 102 comments
Categories: open mike - Tags:

Open mike is your post.

It’s open for discussing topics of interest, making announcements, general discussion, whatever you choose.

Comment on whatever takes your fancy.

The usual good behaviour rules apply (see the link to Policy in the banner).

Step right up to the mike…

102 comments on “Open mike 26/11/2010”

  1. Pascal's bookie 1

    Provincial Editorial of the day: Shifting sands edition.

    daily news reckonz bashing the bennie is old news; make the rich pay instead.

    In the near-future the Government is likely to have to consider its own austerity measures. When it does we hope it will remember that some people in this country make 100 times the average wage.

    We also urge it to remember that it was not the poor and ailing who needed to be bailed out to the tune of $1.6 billion because of profligacy and mismanagement.

    It was not the poor and infirm who almost brought down the global financial infrastructure and then walked away from the damage.

    Maybe it’s time to look beyond the usual suspects.

  2. Peak Energy, Climate Change, and the Collapse of Global Civilization: The Current Peak Oil Crisis

    A managed “de-growth” is impossible, because effective mitigation of peak oil will be dependent on the implementation of mega-projects and mega-changes at the maximum possible rate with at least 20 years lead time and trillions of dollars in investments. Peak oil and the events associated with it will be an unprecedented discontinuity in human and geologic history.

    Adaptation is the only strategy in response to peak oil. Mitigation and adaptation are the only solutions for climate change.

    http://lostmoya.posterous.com/peak-energy-climate-change-and-the-collapse-o

    Peak Energy, Climate Change, and the Collapse of Global Civilization: The Current Peak Oil Crisis
    | Tariel Morrigan, University of California, Santa Barbara

    A comprehensive synthesis of hundreds of peak oil and climate change research publications which analyses how the two crises will play out and interact in the short-, medium- and longer-term.

    Here’s the executive summary with key passages highlighted:

    “Peak oil” refers to the maximum rate of oil production, after which the rate of production enters terminal decline (see Figures 1 and 2). Although there will be oil remaining in the ground when world oil production peaks, the remaining oil will become increasingly difficult and more costly to produce until the marginal financial and energy cost of producing oil exceeds the marginal profit and energy gained.

    Peak oil is happening now. The era of cheap and abundant oil is over. Global conventional oil production likely peaked around 2005 – 2008 or will peak by 2011. The peaking of oil will never be accurately predicted until after the fact. Nevertheless, since mid-2004, the global oil production plateau has remained within a 4% fluctuation band (see Figures 20 and 20b, which indicates that new production has only been able to offset the decline in existing production. The global oil production rate will likely decline by 4 – 10.5% or more per year. Substantial shortfalls in the global oil supply will likely occur sometime between 2010 – 2015.

    Global oil reserve discoveries peaked in the 1960’s (see Figure 10). New oil discoveries have been declining since then, and the new discoveries have been smaller and in harder to access areas (e.g., smaller deepwater reserves). The volume of oil discovered has dropped far below the volume produced in the last two decades. In total, 507 fields are classified as ‘giant’, and account for 60% of conventional oil production. The top 110 producing oilfields produce over 50% of the global oil supply, and the most productive 10 fields contribute 20%. The top 20 oilfields contribute 27%. Production from 16 of the top 20 producing fields was also in terminal decline in 2007 (see Table 1).

    Non-OPEC conventional production is projected to peak around 2010, and thereafter begin to decline. OPEC’s oil production will likely peak within the near-term. Saudi Arabia has more than 20% of the world’s proven total petroleum reserves. After 2010, a steady terminal decline in oil production is projected at a depletion rate above 5% per year (see Figure 7). Huge investments are required to explore for and develop more reserves, mainly to offset decline at existing fields. An additional 64 mbpd of gross capacity – the equivalent of six times that of Saudi Arabia today – needs to be brought on stream between 2007 – 2030. Therefore, it is unlikely that global oil production will be able to supply projected global demand within the near future.

    Business as usual (BAU) oil demand is projected to increase by 1% per year on average from 2007 – 2030 – from 84.7 million barrels per day (mbpd) in 2008 to 105.2 mbpd in 2030. Under BAU, oil production is projected to grow from 83.1 mbpd in 2008 to 103 mbpd in 2030 (see Figure 15). Undiscovered oil fields account for about 20% of total crude oil production by 2030. In other words, no one knows whether or how there will be enough oil to supply 20% of total projected crude oil production by 2030.

    The remaining oil is becoming increasingly harder to access and extract, and it is of increasingly lower quality. Therefore, the energy and economic investment required to produce the remaining oil is increasing as the energy yield from reserves is decreasing – i.e., the energy return on investment (EROI) is decreasing. The present EROI for oil is significantly lower than the past EROI for oil; and future EROI for oil will be even lower (see Figure 11).

    Conventional oil is a fluid that generally requires minimal processing prior to sale and consumption. Conventional oil from producing fields currently supply approximately 85% of the global liquid fuel mix. Unconventional oil may be found in a variety of reserve formations and viscosities (i.e., thicknesses) that typically require specialized extraction technology (e.g., mining, injection of solvents) and significant processing prior to sale and consumption.

    Unconventional oil generally includes extra-heavy oil, oil sands, oil shales, coal-to-liquids (CTL) and gas-to-liquids (GTL). These unconventional oil resources may supply less than 7% of projected global demand by 2030 (see Figure 15). It is unlikely that unconventional oil resources will be able to significantly replace conventional oil supplies in the future. The EROI of these unconventional oil resources is lower than that of conventional oil. Unconventional oil resources have greater environmental impacts associated with them, including higher CO2 emissions. Unconventional oil resources cost at least 2 – 3 times more to produce than conventional oil; so it is likely that oil prices for consumers may increase proportionally (see Table 2, and Figures 12 and 13).

    Electricity generation from alternative energy resources (i.e., wind, solar, tidal, geothermal) will not be able to replace oil as a transportation fuel since much of the entire world fleet of automobiles, ships, trains, and aircraft would have to be replaced by electric-powered vehicles. Furthermore, such alternative energy resources cannot replace oil as a petrochemical feedstock.

    Most biofuel crops are not feasible for replacing oil on a large-scale due to their enormous requirements for cropland and nutrients (i.e., fertilizers) (see Table 3). The projected share of biofuels in the total global supply of road transport fuels will increase from 1.5% in 2007 to 5% in 2030 assuming BAU (see Figure 15). Biofuels from algae and other microorganisms may potentially be a substitute for petroleum, but high capital and economic costs; and requirements for large areas of land, water, phosphorus and other nutrients (i.e., fertilizers) will likely prevent future algal and microbial oil production from replacing oil on a global-scale. In particular, peak phosphorus resources will severely limit the viability of large-scale algae production.

    Furthermore, the peak global production of coal, natural gas, and uranium resources may occur by 2020 – 2030 (see Figure 72), if not sooner. Global peak coal production will likely occur between 2011 – 2025 (see Figures 65 and 66). Global natural gas production will likely peak sometime between 2019 – (see Figure 68). Global peak uranium will likely occur by 2015 to sometime in the 2020’s (see Figures 69 and 70). Since oil is used to produce, distribute, and build and maintain the infrastructure for coal, gas, unconventional oil, nuclear and renewable energy resources, the decline in oil production could very simply bring about declines in the production rates of the other energy resources sooner than the above dates indicate. Peak oil thusly may cause peak energy resources to occur sooner.

    Global peak energy will be delayed only if: (1) one or more major new primary energy sources are discovered or developed that are comparable in quantity, quality, and versatility to fossil fuels (especially oil and liquid fuels); (2) significant breakthroughs occur in the quantity, quality, and/or versatility associated with one or more existing primary energy sources; and/or (3) a substantial and sustained decrease in the level of human energy consumption occurs. If either or both of the first two caveats do not occur, then the third caveat must come true, either through a reduction of per capita energy consumption and/or by a decrease in human population.

    The conclusions of this analysis are supported by publications and statements made by several national governments, the George W. Bush and Obama administrations, the U.S. Department of Energy (see Figures 8a and 8b), the U.S. and German militaries, leading energy information reporting agencies, the oil industry, the private sector (see Figures 9a and 9b), science, and academia. Part of the reason why the general public are unaware of peak oil is because oil data in the public domain is often misreported, greatly inflated, and sometimes falsified. Contradictions and ambiguity in public data are mainly due to a lack of binding international standards to report oil reserve volume and grade; the conditions at which oil resources may be classified as commercially exploitable reserves; intentional misreporting and falsifying data to further financial and political agendas; lack of transparency and auditing; and uncertainty in technical assessments. The oil resource data and assessments of OPEC (see Figures 3, 4, and 5), information and reporting agencies that monitor the oil industry (including the International Energy Agency (IEA) and the Energy Information Agency (EIA)) (see Figures 8a and 8b), and private industry are also called into question. Buried in caveats and overly optimistic wording (see Figure 15), the estimates and figures of reporting agencies indicate that the global supply of oil will likely not be able to keep up with projected BAU demand, and that great oil supply shortages will likely start to occur within the next few years (see Figures 8a and 8b), if not sooner.

    The economic theory on which the economy is based assumes inexpensive and unlimited energy supplies. The global and industrialized economy is based on fractional reserve banking, compound interest, debt-based growth, and compound or unlimited growth. Credit forms the basis of the monetary system. In a growing economy debt and interest can be repaid; in a declining economy they cannot be repaid. Therefore, declining energy flows (i.e., oil) cannot maintain the economic production required to service debt. When outstanding debt cannot be repaid, new credit will become scarce; and economic growth will decline.

    Peak oil will have systemic effects throughout the entire global civilization. Global civilization is locked into a very complex and interrelated world economy. Any attempt to alter significantly the energy and transportation infrastructure and the global economy on which it is based would cause it to collapse – but without an increasing energy supply (i.e., oil), the infrastructure and economy on which our civilization is based cannot survive. The principle driving mechanisms for a global economic collapse are re-enforcing positive feedback cycles that are non-linear, mutually reinforcing, and not exclusive. A principle initial driver of the collapse process will be growing awareness and action about peak oil. Systemic collapse will evolve as a systemic crisis as the integrated infrastructure and economy of our global civilization breaks down. Most governments and societies – especially those that are developed and industrialized – will be unable to manage multiple simultaneous systemic crises. Systemic collapse will likely result in widespread confusion, fear, human security risks, social break down, changes in geopolitics, conflict, and war. With the collapse of the globalized economy, many communities will have to develop localized economies and food production.

    Oil shortages will lead to a collapse of the global economy, and the decline of globalized industrial civilization. Systemic collapse will evolve as a systemic crisis as the integrated infrastructure and economy of our global civilization breaks down. Most governments and societies – especially those that are developed and industrialized – will be unable to manage multiple simultaneous systemic crises. Consequently, systemic collapse will likely result in widespread confusion, fear, human security risks, and social break down. Economies worldwide are already unraveling and becoming insolvent as the global economic system can no longer support itself without cheap and abundant energy resources.

    This current transition of rapid economic decline was triggered by the oil price shock starting in 2007 and culminating in the summer of 2008. This transition will likely accelerate and become more volatile once oil prices exceed $80 – $90 per barrel for an extended time. Demand destruction for oil may be somewhere above $80 per barrel and below $141 per barrel. Economic recovery (i.e., business as usual) will likely exacerbate the global recession by driving up oil prices.

    A managed “de-growth” is impossible, because effective mitigation of peak oil will be dependent on the implementation of mega-projects and mega-changes at the maximum possible rate with at least 20 years lead time and trillions of dollars in investments. Peak oil and the events associated with it will be an unprecedented discontinuity in human and geologic history.

    Adaptation is the only strategy in response to peak oil. Mitigation and adaptation are the only solutions for climate change. Existential crises will soon confront societies with the opportunity to recreate themselves based on their respective needs, culture, resources, and governance responses. If the
    international community does not make a transcendent effort to cooperate to manage the transition to a non-oil based economy, it may risk a volatile, chaotic, and dangerous collapse of the global economy and world population.

    Humanity has already passed the threshold for dangerous anthropogenic interference with the natural climate system. Future climate change has the potential to substantially reduce the human carrying capacity of the Earth by 0.5 – 2 billion people, or more with abrupt and non-linear climate changes. Currently, many nations are dealing with climate change impacts that are resulting from shifts in the onset of seasons; irregular, unpredictable rainfall patterns; uncommonly heavy rainfall; increased incidence of storms; major flood events; and prolonged droughts. Further, changes in temperatures and weather patterns have driven the emergence of diseases and pests that affect crops, trees, and animals. All these climate impacts already have a direct impact on the quality and quantity of crop yields, and the availability and price of food, animal feed, and fiber.

    In 2010, the eight month mean (January 2010 – August 2010) global atmospheric concentration of CO2 was approximately 391 parts per million (ppm) (see Figure 33). The average global atmospheric CO2 concentration currently increases at a rate of approximately 2 ppm per year. By 2030 and 2050, atmospheric CO2 concentrations will respectively be at least 431 ppm and 471 ppm or more assuming current BAU emissions trends. As of 2005, cumulative GHG emissions may have already committed the planet to a warming of 2.4ºC (within a range of 1.4º – 4.3ºC) above the pre-industrial mean temperatures. Even if all anthropogenic GHG emissions cease in 2010 (an extremely unlikely scenario), thereby limiting atmospheric CO2 concentration to 391 ppm, the climate system may have already passed the 2°C threshold for dangerous climate change. As CO2 concentrations approach 441 ppm a corresponding committed warming of 3.1ºC will occur by 2030 in the absence of strong countervailing mitigation. At the current rate of GHG emissions, a CO2 concentration of 450 ppm could be reached by around 2040.

    A CO2 concentration of order 450 ppm or greater, if long maintained, would push the Earth toward an ice-free state and that such a CO2 level likely would cause the passing of climate tipping points and initiate dynamic responses that could be out of humanity’s control. Abrupt, non-linear changes are caused by small increases in global climate change that result in large and irreversible environmental changes once climate tipping points are passed. Anthropogenic GHG emissions are driving the global climate system toward such tipping points earlier than previously predicted. The potential impacts of passing such climate tipping points would be catastrophic, and include (see Figure 60):

    • the disappearance of Arctic summer sea ice (see Figures 50 and 51),
    • a major reduction of the area and volume of Hindu-Kush-Himalaya-Tibetan Plateau (HKHT) glaciers, which provide the head-waters for most major river systems of Asia including the Indus, Ganges, Irrawaddy, Mekong, Red, Yangtze, and Yellow rivers (almost 30% of the world’s population lives in the watersheds of these rivers) (see Figures 40 and 41),
    • ocean acidification (see Figures 52 – 55),
    • the deglaciation of Greenland Ice Sheet (see Figure 56),
    • the dieback of Amazonian and boreal forests (see Figure 57),
    • the shutdown of the Atlantic Thermohaline Circulation (see Figure 58),
    • the collapse of West Antarctic Ice Sheet (see Figure 59), and
    • a mass extinction event (see Figures 25, 31, and 32).

    The catastrophic impacts from these events could include many meters of sea level rise, massive displacement and loss of people and wildlife, severe loss of biodiversity, mass extinction of species and ecosystems, extreme climate events, megadroughts, catastrophic water shortages, and massive famines that could result in chronic economic depressions, political instability, social revolutions, resource wars, overwhelming humanitarian crises, and human rights challenges. Passing climate tipping points would likely cause other severe impacts, such as the release of CO2 and methane from permafrost and ocean hydrates that would likely cause additional runaway climate feedbacks that could accelerate further climate change.

    A target atmospheric concentration of CO2 of no greater than 350 ppm will likely be needed to prevent the world from passing climate tipping points. However, a target concentration of CO2 of 300 ppm may be needed to ensure that the climate does not pass the 2ºC threshold. Substantial reductions in anthropogenic GHG emissions post-peak oil, combined with major efforts in carbon sequestration would be necessary to achieve this implausible target. Temperature tipping points for abrupt and non-linear climate changes could be passed within this century, or even in the next decade. Even if climate tipping points are not crossed, committed climate change that is already “in the pipeline” will likely have severe negative impacts on most water resources, food production systems, economies, and ecosystems worldwide.

    Since the advent of the Green Revolution in 1950, the success of modern industrialized agriculture is primarily due to its increased use of fossil fuel resources for fertilizers, pesticides, and irrigation to raise crops. Fossil fuel energy inputs greatly increased the energy-intensiveness of agricultural production, in some cases by 100 times or more. In particular, oil has been used on a global industrial scale to:

    • produce pesticides and other agrochemicals (herbicides, fungicides, some synthetic fertilizers);
    • produce pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for livestock;
    • fuel tractors, sprayers and crop dusters, farm equipment, and vehicles to produce food;
    • pump and transport water for irrigation;
    • make plastic materials for irrigation and other infrastructure;
    • transport materials to farms;
    • transport food from field to processors, storage, distributors, and consumers; and to
    • make plastic materials in which to contain, store, and package food.

    In terms of energy resources, the human carrying capacity of the Earth may be even lower based on historical relationships between global population and energy resource use, since the availability of all energy resources may limit the size of the global human population. The consumption of abundant fossil fuel energy has allowed the human population to increase greatly from approximately 0.5 billion before the year 1700 to about 7 billion today (see Figure 72). Until around 1500, the global human population had never exceeded 0.5 billion people (see Figure 24 and 72). By 1800, approximately 1 billion people lived on the Earth at the beginning of the the Industrial Revolution when fossil fuel energy was beginning to be exploited on a large-scale. Since the advent of modern industrialized agriculture around 1950, the global population has increased from 2.5 billion to nearly 7 billion in 2010 (see Figure 24, 61, and 72).

    Decreasing energy resources may decrease the global human population that depends on them. Without enormous amounts of energy that oil and other fossil fuel energy resources have supplied for the past two centuries, the human carrying capacity of the Earth may be as low as 0.5 – 2.5 billion people. Therefore, the total estimated human carrying capacity of the planet is 0.5 – 7.5 billion by 2050, and 0.5 – 6 billion by 2100, assuming that no abrupt and non-linear climate changes, a rapid mass extinction event, a global conflict (e.g., nuclear war) or any other massive environmental catastrophe occurs. Yet, the projected global human population is 9.2 billion people by 2050. This analysis only considered minimally adequate per capita food and energy supplies. The more resource-intense are the economies and lifestyles of the global population, the lower will be the potential carrying capacity. The human response to peak oil and environmental management practices will be a key factor affecting the potential human carrying capacity of the Earth.

    Ironically, peak oil and energy resources may offer the only viable solution for humanity to mitigate anthropogenic climate change on a global scale – by essentially pulling the plug on the engine of the global economy that has driven the climate system to a very dangerous state. Nevertheless, this potential mitigation of climate change will not stop the committed climate changes that are expected to occur in the future, nor will it stop all anthropogenic sources of greenhouse gas emissions altogether.

    It is possible that climate negotiations may be abandoned or at least marginalized for a long time (if not permanently) as the crisis of peak oil and economic shock and awe overwhelms the stability and security of every nation. It will likely require a concerted and transcendent effort on the part of any remaining international climate negotiators, their governments, and the public to pursue a meaningful international climate policy – much less a binding international climate treaty

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      Dude even I find your cut and pastes annoying now.

      • mickysavage 2.1.1

        It is good stuff but a bit long. A couple of highlights and a link would work better.

      • Bored 2.1.2

        Yeah CV, agree. Robert, your posts have great content but you might be better served by pointing us at the original and making comment on them.

        I am guilty, as are a few others of Boring people to death with our Cassandra approach to the oncoming disasters. What I can say is that there is now a critical mass of bloggers here who dont question the reality any more, they are beginning to react to the event, share ideas and actions.

        My contribution today is to add a few links to Black Bloc aka a primer in street tactics for the civil disobedience that will be required to overcome corporatist claims to the little of the public domain that they have not attempted to seize…
        http://www.solarstormtechnologies.com/radish/discontents/blackbloc.htm and this for advanced http://www.sheffieldmayday.ukf.net/articles/blackbloc.htm

      • Vicky32 2.1.3

        I simply could not read all that! Reading off a screen is awkward, and studies have shown that people have to be highly motivated in order to do it.
        Brevity is better!
        Deb

        • Robert Atack 2.1.3.1

          Sorry guys, that ‘paste’ just came in this morning, I didn’t read it all, maybe the first 2 paragraphs, figured if you didn’t want to read it you could move on? And if you did well it is here for you, it should be no big deal the length of any post?, you can delete it if in comes into your mail box, or just scroll past it, but don’t fret I will desist in pasting anymore, as Bored (who ever you are?) says “there is now a critical mass of bloggers who are awake”, though very passively so it seems, oh for a few more people able to at least do half of what I’ve done (and put their names to it) http://oilcrash.com/articles/struggle.htm … I did not but this on ‘my’ site to make out I’m ‘anything’, more to show the ignorance of the masses.
          If you claim to know about peak oil and climate change – this is to anyone who is ‘aware’- then why aren’t you doing something public about it? Why are you letting the bastards get away with it?? IE new $#%@ roads all over the country …. and the Greed Party?? how the hell those pricks are still breathing I don’t know, they are the biggest carpet bagging bunch of bastards in Wellington. THEY ARE LYING, and Kiwi Saver proves it.
          Climate Change is not an ‘issue’, it is so far beyond our abilities to do anything about, if every human disappeared @ midnight tonight, the planet would still look like Venus in a few thousand years … or whenever ? ‘They’ say we are 30 years behind how bad it is, and I’m not sure if ‘they’ get global dimming? (meaning it is a shit load worse).
          We are all dead in 30 – 100 years regardless, it is just how we get there? And how fast?
          The global economy (us humans) consumes annually 400 years of total planetary growth via fossil fuels (supposedly?), 3 X 1km3 – if we replanted every felled/burnt tree since the legend of Christ, that wouldn’t even equal the amount of fossil fuels we have used in the past 5 years.
          I’ve retired from it all now, it took a few years to wined down, I just use these blog sites to vent my spleen )
          I use to burn and distribute hundreds of DVDs per week, I give away maybe 1 a week now.
          We first ‘awake people’ thought the best thing to do was talk about it and educate the masses, well I think I can say that plan failed 😉


          Good luck

    • john 2.2

      http://www.countercurrents.org/martenson251110.htm
      Here’s another report by Chris Martenson based on the World Energy Outlook produced by the Paris based International Energy Agency which concludes Peak Oil is behind us! We now live in a very different World as is already evident with all the financial turmoil happening.

      R.A. is doing an important service :Everyone needs to wake up(but what if I don’t want to know,what then?) to the very different World we now live in in the Post Peak Oil era. A scary upsetting subject which isn’t going to go away,though most of us wish it would! Most of us are probably cowards when it comes to these apocalyptic changes! What’s on TV tonight I enjoyed watching “Alien vs Predator” the other night! When we watch the box we vicariously feel all powerful,for awhile!

      “Peak oil is not just here — it’s behind us already

      That’s the conclusion of the International Energy Agency, the Paris-based organization that provides energy analysis to 28 industrialized nations. According to a projection in the agency’s latest annual report, released last week, production of conventional crude oil — the black liquid stuff that rigs pump out of the ground — probably topped out for good in 2006, at about 70 million barrels a day. Production from currently producing oil fields will drop sharply in coming decades, the report suggests.”

      WHAT A PART POOPER!

    • KJT 2.3

      Robert. You are preaching to the converted here. Most here agree at least in part. We have got past the point of arguing about AGW and peak oil and are looking for ways that people can survive it.

      • pollywog 2.3.1

        some of us can even envision a scenario whereby we not only survive but evolve to a point where we live long and prosper 🙂

        • joe90 2.3.1.1

          Sustainable Growth Is An Oxymoron.

          The fact is that, eventually, we have to learn to live off the sun in real time. That’s not going to be easy. Fossil fuels aren’t just fossilized sunshine; they’re concentrated fossilized sunshine. As McKibben points out in “Eaarth,” 1 barrel of oil yields as much energy as 25,000 hours of human manual labor—more than a decade of human labor per barrel. The average American uses 25 bbl per year (some estimates are quite a bit higher), which, he writes, is like finding 300 years of free labor annually.

  3. joe90 3

    And I thought the bog and it’s RWNJ inhabitants were suffering from Clark derangement syndrome but the comments are unbelievable in this Faux news blog post.Overt racism and deranged ranting with more than 400 people turning up to spew their hatred but after reading some of the comments I’ve decided that I quite like our RWNJs.

  4. KJT 4

    http://www.management.co.nz/Editorial.asp?eID=53065&Wcat=44

    “The world faces a serious leadership crisis in both the corporate and political worlds. Incompetency is not the issue. Rather, it is that those at the top of the organisational feeding chain are too often morally bankrupt.
    Greedy and unprincipled corporate governance may have caused the world’s financial and economic chaos, but its impacts are now compounded by equally inept political governance, according to London-based corporate philosopher professor Roger Steare. “

  5. This doesn’t sound to good eh ?

    Mr Forrester, an ex pat Pike River miner said he and co-workers went to management many times, and safety concerns were discussed regularly between the workers.

    “[The] reason I didn’t push it too far was the fear of losing my job. The pressure is always on, they’re losing a lot of money, so they’re making you cut a lot of short-cuts.”

    “the mine “always had ventilation issues” and had to be “gassed out” due to high methane levels many times. He said his gas detection unit would go “off the charts”, suggesting the methane level was at an explosive level.”

    “many of the methane sensors, did not work or were not calibrated and the mine’s phone system needed to be upgraded.”

    “When he raised these concerns with management, he said they did not take it seriously.”

    “”I don’t believe management spent enough time in the mine. They spent too much of their time up in the office filling in paperwork.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/4391401/Deadly-mine-blast-was-100pc-avoidable

    and yet…

    Pike River CEO said “This is not like some big scary place which is waiting to kill them – it is simply a place they went to work in every day. There is no reason this or any other mine cannot be safe.”

    ” There have been suggestions there was an electric problem – the lights flickered. This one grew yesterday with suggestions a Pike River miner was hawking the yarn to the highest bidder.

    None of this sits well with Mr Whittall. He maintained yesterday that “gas readings, returned from hand-held monitors and measuring equipment in the mine, were logged on Friday at acceptable levels and signed off. ”

    Any suggestion of obvious or known safety lapses does not find traction with unionised staff or union leader Andrew Little.

    He met union members yesterday for talks on immediate needs and the continuation of salaries and wages, but there was a chance for anyone to give credence to the safety rumours. None did

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/4391151/We-ll-go-back-in-vows-anguished-mine-chief

    …someones either lying or covering up ?

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      By saying that the gas readings were acceptable and then there was a massive methane explosion implicates his operation in several unhappy scenarios e.g. gas monitors were not working, it had become standard practice to ignore gas monitors, there were no gas monitors, etc.

      • pollywog 5.1.1

        …or gas built up so fast there wasn’t enough time to do anything about it.

        BTW is there any video footage of the second explosion ?

      • Richard 5.1.2

        It seems very unlikely that gas monitors would be ignored, absent, or *all* non-functional. I think that the workers themselves would a) notice and b) refuse to work under such circumstances.

        It seems plausible that workings at the mine could expose a gas pocket or something — and thus quickly (i.e. in a matter of minutes or seconds) create an explosive atmosphere. Presumably there are mapping systems to identify such possibilities, but I guess mistakes can be made — like the miners accidentally working in the wrong place, or someone looking at the map upside down or something.

        I suppose another possibility is that gas monitors (assuming they are fixed) were placed in such a way that gas could build up in an unmonitored zone. I assume that would have been carefully thought about, but maybe either a mistake was made in placement or gas monitors were not repositioned when further workings significantly changed the topography of the mine.

        Another outside possibility is that an unexpected type of gas was present and hence was not monitored for. I don’t think that is very plausible, and certainly all the evidence seems to point towards a methane explosion.

      • KJT 5.1.3

        Gas monitors are problematic as a safety device. They can only tell the concentration at one point. Layering and pockets of gas can exist in dangerous quantities close to the monitor without being picked up. A fast build up to LEL can poison some types of monitors. (A common type works by testing flammability over a filament. Obviously if it is over UEL at the detector it will not show) The more accurate tests such as a gas chromotograph are useful more in a lab.
        I don’t know what type they were using, but all types have limitations.

        The fact is some jobs are inherently dangerous and ultimate safety cannot be guaranteed.
        That’s why miners, helicopter pilots, oil rig workers and seamen get the big bucks.

        It is a standard practice in other industries where people are working in dangerous areas to have a person just outside in constant communication with those in the area. That is one practice in this case I would question.

        There were probably mistakes made, there always are, (not getting at anybody we are all human) which will help us to learn about preventing future accidents.

        On the whole though I think the management of the rescue was done very well in the circumstances and they were right not to risk rescuers when the miners were most likely already dead.

        • pollywog 5.1.3.1

          not being ghoulish, but i want to see evidence of the second explosion…or it didn’t happen ?

          • felix 5.1.3.1.1

            What makes you doubt it?

            • pollywog 5.1.3.1.1.1

              What makes you doubt it?

              natural distrust of management, police and mainstream media.

              just seems convenient that at some stage, if miners have been trapped/missing underground with no water, food, light and air following an explosion and their families are getting agitated about not getting in there to ‘rescue’ them after 6 days, while calling in to question the process and personnel calling the shots.

              someone has got to say ‘look chances are if they didn’t die in the initial explosion then they are near certainly dead now and we’re dealing with a recovery.’

              so just when you got the rescue teams tooled and lined up to go in, then suddenly a second explosion happens and it’s confirmed lethal with the line being pushed and toed is that everyone is dead… seems too convenient a truth

              and given the amount of media focussed on that place there should be some footage of the second explosion or some evidence beyond what i’ve seen/heard so far.

              • Richard

                There is “natural distrust” and there is “insanity”.

                There is no way that such a conspiracy is remotely plausible. It is just too idiotic and pointless.

                Probably there is some police/rescue footage — which if it exists won’t show anything much beyond what the footage of the first explosion shows. I’m sure a version of it will eventually be released.

                There is unlikely to be any independent footage. The media were not at the mine itself — hence why they spent a lot of time interviewing each other on street corners.

                • pollywog

                  it sure did nip the families pesky attitudes in the bud and if the point was to get them to accept the hopelessness of their lost ones situations

                  then seriously, you couldn’t invent a better event to bring finality and closure and justification for vindicating the cautious approach adopted by the officials than to have a secondary explosion.

                  and if anything, there should be better footage and evidence given the monitoring of the mine after the initial explosion.

                  I’d just like to see it is all. All we’ve got so far is Whitall and Knowles say so.

                  • pollywog

                    The deaths of 29 miners at the Pike River Coal mine should have been prevented, says a former mining journalist who calls police efforts to keep waiting families informed on rescue attempts “inadequate”.

                    He was critical of the way the police dragged out the information flows, which was “just torture for the families”, who held out hope for five days until a secondary explosion yesterday crushed it.

                    “All the evidence was that the men had perished. It would have been impossible for the men to survive the force of a methane-fuelled explosion, the fireball that followed, then the suffocating smoke and poisonous carbon monoxide,” Mr Morris said.

                    He could not see why the families could not have been given more detail.

                    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4392221/Deaths-should-have-been-prevented-mining-historian

                    the larger secondary explosion gave the officials the chance to run the line they should have in the first place.

                    having the rescue teams lined up to go in just before hand adds that feelgood bit of heroic drama, as if the teams were seriously briefed to find anyone still alive after 6 days.

                    • pollywog

                      Despite the mounting pressure, Knowles insisted the conditions in the mine made a rescue attempt impossible.

                      On Wednesday he was proven right.

                      As a rescue attempt was being discussed a second explosion ripped through the mine, extinguishing all remaining hope for the 29 men inside.

                      Yesterday, Knowles said it was “not a case of vindication for me. It never has been”.

                      “I’ve shed lots of tears and I continue to cry,” he said. “It’s taken a toll on me personally and also my team who are up there working.”

                      At the time of the second blast on Wednesday, Knowles was being briefed by rescue workers at the mine.

                      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/4391197/When-being-right-feels-so-wrong

                      given the levels of toxicity in the mine how could they have even been considering ‘going in’ to be a “rescue”

                      …and crying policmen is always a nice touch for the MSM. Wouldn’t mind some footage of that either

                  • Richard

                    and if anything, there should be better footage and evidence given the monitoring of the mine after the initial explosion.

                    “Evidence” yes, but necessarially video footage. There were no media at the actual site (I believe). There’s no real point continuously videoing the mine entrance from the point of view of the rescue operation.

                    Realistically, any footage will be of a lot of hot gas and dust and debris exiting the mine. I.e. much the same as the footage of the first explosion.

                    the larger secondary explosion gave the officials the chance to run the line they should have in the first place.

                    Perhaps. But there’s no reason to suppose that the second explosion didn’t take place. That is just madness.

                    having the rescue teams lined up to go in just before hand adds that feelgood bit of heroic drama…

                    If the rescue teams were lined up to go in, then I suspect that will not be a coincidence.

                    If oxygen levels had increased, that could be construed as a good reason to think about sending rescuers in. However, oxygen levels increasing will also change the mixture of gases to become more explosive (assuming that the reason there had not been an earlier explosion was a lack of oxygen).

                    • pollywog

                      “Evidence” yes

                      … a lot of hot gas and dust and debris exiting the mine.

                      so lets see it is all i’m saying and what if the mine were collapsed down the end of the tunnel ?

                      surely there’d be plumes of smoke and gas erupting from the vents and bore holes they’d just drilled…

                      …and interviews with anyone who witnessed or felt or saw any evidence of a secondary explosion

                      seismic monitoring ?

                      anything…nah ???

                      and what happened to the military robot with the flat battery…blown to shit ???…that woulda looked choice exiting the mine in pieces at a fast rate of knots.

                      But there’s no reason to suppose that the second explosion didn’t take place. That is just madness.

                      madness maybe…but there’s nothing so far to suggest it did, other than taking persons with vested interests words at face value

                    • Richard

                      …but there’s nothing so far to suggest [a second explosion took place], other than taking persons with vested interests words at face value

                      They certainly have a vested interest in not looking like they are insane.

                      The sort of conspiracy that you suggest would rapidly and quickly collapse. The perpetrators would be villified and criminally prosecuted.

                      There is absolutely no chance of the type of conspiracy you suggest. If you think that there is you are absolutely insane.

                      There certainly are occasions where police etc seemingly conspire against the public good. This is not one of those occasions. The conspiracy you suggest is way too fragile, and it is totally and utterly without point from the perspective of those you claim would mount such a conspiracy.

                      Those in charge of the operation can absolutely defend what they did as being the appropriate and sane thing to do. Every step they have taken has been at the advice of expert panels. There is no need for them to create some ludircious conspiracy to cover up their earlier decisions, because they have nothing to hide.

                    • pollywog

                      There is absolutely no chance of the type of conspiracy you suggest. If you think that there is you are absolutely insane.

                      sweet…so just offer my insane ass up some evidence and point me to something to show there was a second explosion.

                      it should be simple as cos other than putting faith in the big fossil fuel business manager, toeing the MSM line and trusting the local country cop you ain’t put up shit so far

                      cos lets see, it’s not like any big profit driven company has lied to or misled the public or that the police have ever misconstrued the facts to relieve pressure on a senior officer eh ?

                      that shit doesn’t happen in good ol’ corrupt free NZ and of course we just believe everything the media colludes with politicians to spoonfeed us cos its in our best interests to be lied to and treated like mindless sheeple isn’t it ?

                      just where the hell do you think you’re living…the garden of eden ???

                      short of supplying incontrovertible proof, how else exactly would my mindless conspiracy rapidly and quickly collapse ?

                      i’d settle for another pic of the blown out vents from the first explosion showing further damage, an interview with some experts and witnesses or another pic from the CCTV monitoring the entrance cos the tunnel shouldn’t be blocked eh…otherwise where are they gonna park the jet engine to blow out the mine ?

                    • Richard

                      sweet…so just offer my insane ass up some evidence and point me to something to show there was a second explosion

                      What about this?

                      cos lets see, it’s not like any big profit driven company has lied to or misled the public or that the police have ever misconstrued the facts to relieve pressure on a senior officer eh ?

                      Of course, that sort of stuff happens sometimes.

                      Just not in these circumstances.

                      You are expecting us to believe that the dozens (perhaps hundreds) of professionals (from many different organisations) involved in this have conspired to fake the second explosion. That is totally and utterly crazy talk.

                    • pollywog

                      Thanks Richard

                      now thats what i’m talking about. glad to know they weren’t just making shit up about the blasts

                      that just leaves their safety records and equipment to be inspected for truthiness

                      🙂

                  • pollywog

                    A Westport man has told how he and three others ran for their lives when the Pike River Coal mine exploded at 2.37pm on Wednesday.

                    they were waiting about five metres from the smaller shaft for a helicopter pick-up when they heard a roar.

                    “It sounded like a huge jet coming. We just had time to get out of it, just run like hell…It was all just split second stuff.”

                    They had sprinted 10 metres down the ridge when an “enormous boom” blasted smoke from the two vents, blotting out the sky.

                    “I just know nobody could survive that second one (explosion),” Mr Bainbridge said. “You had to be there to realise it.”

                    http://www.3news.co.nz/Men-had-to-run-like-hell-from-second-mining-explosion/tabid/423/articleID/188153/Default.aspx

                    scary stuff indeed !!!

        • pollywog 5.1.3.2

          Russell Joynson, a cousin of Queenslander William Joynson, who is among the 29 miners killed, said some tough questions needed to be asked about the mine’s gas monitoring system.

          Having only recently retired from a lifetime of mining, Mr Joynson said the dangerous buildup of gas that preceded the explosion should have been detected earlier.

          Queensland, which had suffered several mining disasters, used “tube bundle” systems that fed air to the surface. These would automatically sample the air regularly and set off an alarm when problems were detected, he said.

          He was unsure what system was installed at Pike River but wanted to know why it had failed.

          “When you’re starting off a new mine, the area they’re mining there has had a troubled past, and you’re spending millions on the mine, then you would have the best of everything, wouldn’t you?

          Pike River Coal chairman John Dow said the mine did not have a tube bundle system, but used something similar

          Methane monitors were connected to the electrical system and automatically shut down everything when it detected dangerous levels.

          However, no alarms were triggered before the explosion and no-one knew why, he said.

          “I can’t speculate on that, we’ve been telling everyone for a week now we don’t know what happened and what caused it so I’m not going to speculate any more on that.”

          Mr Dow said Mr Joynson had a fair reason to question the system and Pike River was determined to find out what had gone wrong. “[Explosions] shouldn’t happen … a coalmine has hazards but methane has been a hazard since man went underground.

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/4391266/Gas-buildup-should-have-been-detected

          sure, 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, but this place, given its history, either sounds cursed or an accident waiting to happen

          especially taking into account the shelved report from 2008 which highlighted concerns and recommended additional safety officers accompanying each shift.

          you know the one Key can’t conveniently comment on cos he never read but you can sure as fuck bet Brownlee must have…eh ???

          so whats Gerry got to say about anything ?

          can someone with a TV news crew please stick a camera in his face and ask him something…anything ???

      • Vicky32 5.1.4

        I had heard something to that general effect, CV… 🙁
        Deb

    • jcuknz 5.2

      What disturbs me is that it took two hours by shanks pony for the news of the explosion to get out … a very serious fault in the mines set-up I would think.
      The need and principle is illustrated by the example of railway braking system which changed from pressure to vacuum decades/century ago because it was a fail-safe system.
      There are moaners everywhere and this is a situation designed for them to spread their tales by journos looking for a story but without the knowledge to verify.

      • vto 5.2.1

        Just because people are not experts in mining and disasters does not mean they cannot ask questions. Especially in a situation like this.

        There are several very good questions that need asking and I struggle with those that tell the question-askers to just shut up and accept the authorities view and have blind faith. That is simply madness.

        Have people never heard of govts and companies and individuals making mistakes before?

        I say to those that tell the question-askers to shut up… S T F U yourselves. The questions are legitimate and need answering. Go live in China if you don’t like people asking questions. Idiots.

        edit – asking questions is not the same as bald uninformed criticism. jucknz this is not really in reply to your post, more general…

        • pollywog 5.2.1.1

          ask and ye shall recieve in abundance…

          There has been a third explosion at Pike River mine this afternoon – almost exactly a week to the minute of first blast which trapped the 29 miners.

          He said family members observing the minute’s silence would not have heard the explosion because it was only noted on CCTV footage.

          “Normally we could give this news to the family first.” But we had no choice in this instance as news of the third blast had been “leaked” to media.

          The first two robots which went into the mine were probably damaged by the second explosion and will be in need of repair, Pike River chairman John Dow said.

          There was CCTV coverage now from the robot that will be “worked over” for information, Collins said.

          “That will be made available to relative so that they can see what’s in that tunnel, those who want to see.”

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4392230/Pike-River-disaster-another-explosion-at-mine

          captcha : satisfy

          yup…incontrovertibly

  6. Tigger 6

    This sounds like a pleasant workplace… http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10690149

    Love that whole ‘I’m the boss’ attitude that is on display here – reminds me of the government…

    • pollywog 6.1

      guy needs to harden up alright…

      a logger gets 34k for concussion from a hard hat being thrown at him and his feelings hurt then quits when told he needs to tool up properly…PFFFFT

      …sometimes you just gotta handle the jandal and sometimes you gotta pull the pin.

      • felix 6.1.1

        Nah, you need to check your timeline.

        First he got assaulted, then jumped through a few hoops designed to discourage him from returning to work, then had the dispute about tools & job description, THEN resigned and got paid out for all the bullshit.

        Looks like constructive dismissal to me.

        • pollywog 6.1.1.1

          yeah maybe…but he doesnt sound like he was cut out for logging.

          just not hard enough !!!

          and i don’t get how he got paid out for unfair dismissal if he quit ?

          doesn’t that set a dangerous precedent ?

          • felix 6.1.1.1.1

            That’s what I meant by “constructive dismissal” – if you can’t legally sack someone you just make it really difficult for them until they quit.

            And yeah, it’s illegal.

            • pollywog 6.1.1.1.1.1

              fair enough if its workplace bullying but sometimes youve just got to suck it up and prove yourself worthy

              man up to give as good as you get. logging isnt for soft cocks eh !!!

              doesn’t sound like this guy wanted to be a logger and was looking for an excuse to get a lawyer and go for wrongful dismissal.

              i wonder if he’s got prior form ? i mean, keeping texts…that was handy

              • KJT

                Bullying is not OK.

                The whole idea of trying to see what someone is made of by giving them a hard time is wrong.
                It doesn’t work anyway. I have seen some hard men crumble in a real emergency and some so called wusses come up trumps.

                • pollywog

                  absolutely it’s not OK but you’ve got to apply pressure to people to see how they’ll cope in real life situations ?

                  the guy ‘supposedly’ fainted while using a chainsaw and for all we know may have faked a concussion to get a week off work.

                  maybe he was de hydrated and got sunstroke while exerting himself too much from using a shit chainsaw to which the boss said the answer is a better unit.

                  otherwise damn, that must have been some David Tua like hard hat hit to the head. Makes you wonder how Keven Mealamu can go barrelling into a ruck head first week after week 🙂

                  From my perspective it sounds like this guy set the boss up for a ‘constructive dismissal’ by pushing his buttons and keeping the ‘relevent’ texts which were then taken out of context.

                  • felix

                    Yeah maybe, and I know what you’re saying.

                    But maybe his boss and workmates were just a bunch of cnuts.

                  • KJT

                    “you’ve got to apply pressure to people to see how they’ll cope in real life situations” ?

                    Which situation?

                    I know some guys who I would trust to race after me into a burning building who faint at the sight of a hypodermic.

                    Hazing and bullying proves nothing.

                    No one knows how they will react in a real situation until they have been in one. Some of your tough guys turn out to be gibbering wrecks.

              • Colonial Viper

                I guess putting up with being assaulted in the workplace is a good way of proving yourself worthy?

              • that is a sad attitude polly

                • pollywog

                  oh please…

                  i suffered heaps worse pressing in the woolsheds for a good few years as a younger. it helped make a man out of me.

                  can’t imagine what i would be like and how i would have suffered if i ran to the boss everytime some shearer gave me a bit of shit and the odd twat

                  • vto

                    Sounds like in Mr Polly’s world it is ok to subject a person of a certain type, in this case a more feminine type, to broad generalisations and prejudices and harassment.

                    Must remember that next time Mr Polly brings up people’s generalisations and prejudices and harassments about another type of person, namely polynesians.

                    You are just like a racist Polly.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Now victimisation is not acceptable but I do have to say that wrapping our youngsters in cotton wool hardly does their psychological or physical growth any favours either.

                    • vto

                      Of course viper, but it amuses me no end when Polly’s comments on this situation are compared with his many many posts over racist victimisation. I think its called hypocrisy. Perhaps his race needs to harden the f..k up when similarly subjected to such victimisation.

                    • pollywog

                      feminine…eh ? how the fuck is it a feminine type of thing to do what that guy did. ?

                      you’re just like a patronising homophobic sexist vto

                      but yeah, A-fucking-mazing…vto clap clap clap

                      how you can compare the attempted systematic assimilation of indignous people to a foreign culture by using force, coercion, bribery, confiscation, institutionial racism and a cultural bias based on a percieved sense of superiorty to legislate for breeding intergenerational welfare dependency

                      and make it seem like i’m the one who needs schooling cos some percieved softcock can’t handle a little workplace beef without bitching like a kid whos had his lollipop taken of him

                      and yeah all that shit has made us harder and stronger for it cos fuckers like you couldn’t kill us in spite of giving it your best shot

                      like if that prick had thrown his hard hat at me i woulda thrown it back twice as hard and told him sort his shit out befoe apoliogising for using his shirt as a rag. as it stands i wouldn’t have put past that guy to have used the shirt on purpose.

                    • vto

                      ha ha ha, thanks for showing your true colours polly. I bet you are just like you sound. A dick.

                      btw, happy to step outside if you’re up for it – sounds like the bash is how you deal with shit.

                      Last time I ever post re you. Out.

                    • pollywog

                      vt0…in real life you’re the kind of total waste of time space and energy i’d turn my back on and walk away on in mid sentence cos nah, the bash is so how i don’t deal with shit.

                    • RedLogix

                      i suffered heaps worse pressing in the woolsheds for a good few years as a younger. it helped make a man out of me.

                      And I’ve done time in woolsheds too. Seems to me that you learned a lot of the wrong lessons.

                    • pollywog

                      …and pray tell, given what you know of me, what lessons might that be ?

              • freedom

                normally the guys and gals who are not suited to logging get weeded out during the training or does this show that people are not getting the adequate training for these proffessions anymore

                another no depth rubberstamped unemployment training scheme perhaps?

          • marty mars 6.1.1.1.2

            Not hard enough? That’s just a line that means nothing – what is hard enough? Whether he was cut out for logging is irrelevant – he may not have been – but he shouldn’t have been bullied like that. IMO being ‘hard’ (or more relevantly pretending to be) is the cause of many of our problems.

    • Jim Nald 7.1

      Saw that. More progressive, more prudent.
      Cunliffe’s full speech at:
      http://cunliffe.co.nz/?p=582

      • KJT 7.1.1

        I like the talk. Still need to see the walk. Have been severely disappointed by Labour to many times now.

        • Jim Nald 7.1.1.1

          I don’t disagree. I’m still living in hope. Or the alternative with Nats is bleaker.
          Labour needs to have their toes held to the fire so that they deliver. And progressive voices in the wider community need to keep them to their word and to ensure the rabid right don’t drown out the calls for changes and pull Labour in the neocon direction.

      • Draco T Bastard 7.1.2

        You missed the bit about more privatisation then?

    • ianmac 7.2

      Cunliffe: “He reiterated Labour intended to change monetary policy by amending the Reserve Bank Act to broaden its targets while retaining the central bank’s independence and the current 1-3 per cent inflation target.”
      Isn’t that what Winston was pushing for and was rubbished?

      • Jim Nald 7.2.1

        Whatever Winston was pushing for, I’m interested to read the speech.
        I would support widening the scope of the Reserve Bank Act that needs to be reviewed & refreshed so that the RB doesn’t just have a tool but a range of tools (ie ‘tool set’ as Cunliffe refers) at its disposal to deal with the upcoming economic challenges.

      • Bored 7.2.2

        Bit fekkin late, 9 years in office and Labour refused to scare the horses. Now inflation will not be the issue, it is deflation that is likely to be the issue.

      • Herodotus 7.2.3

        Extremely light on any detail, so NZ is to be experimented on again. Many of Davids comments appear to be incompatiable with one another. Re Increase NZSF/Cullen Fund but no comments regarding investing locally- just what our current account needs. We need to save more-how can we. Tax inflows into NZ so will this include NZSF and the Cullen fund, what are the solutions to overseas capital flight?
        How will we attrached overseas investment if we tax then the investors will require higher returns.
        Given the bullet points inthe speach the support document will be interesting to read and substantive in volume. That is if there is support detail as we will be given from my understading a few months at best to read thru, yet to change our fin system 2-3 months is ok yet to review the voting system 5-6 years is inadequate. Priceless.

  7. joe90 8

    Bloody commies, out to get them since wayback when…..

    They came here with the idea that after trying socialism that it wasn’t going to work. They realized that it was unbiblical, that it was a form of theft, so they pitched socialism out. They learned that in the early 1620’s.

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      Just more RWNJ, neo-liberal BS.

    • Draco T Bastard 9.2

      What Britain should be doing is ramping up taxes on the rich, they being the ones that caused the debt in the first place, and also defaulting on a hell of a lot of the debt that the speculators caused. This would rebalance their economy in such a way that it would start working again.

      We should be doing the same.

      • Brett 9.2.1

        Are you serious?
        From what I saw in this documentary, Blair and Brown should have been strung up with piano wire for what they did.

  8. vto 10

    Something lightweight, fun and inspiring after the last heavy week… People are awesome

  9. joe90 11

    Liquid Mountaineering is a new sport viral hoax that these guys reckon will be the next big thing

  10. Fisiani 12

    Looking forward to this blog reporting the public apology from Phil Goff and the Labour Party for supporting and defending Field the proven crook who abused his power as a member of parliament.
    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/11/what-say-you-now-labour.html

    [lprent: That comes under the policy for telling us what we should do. I’ve already left a note on one of your comments today, I think that you need a timeout. Come back in week after you’ve read the policy. It may take you some time as it doesn’t conform to the pattern of “the great thoughts of the dear leader” pattern and I suspect you’ll have problems understanding it. ]

    • joe90 12.1

      Yeah Fizzy, the case against Field was so convincing that Smith never had the balls to take it outside the house.

      • Fisiani 12.1.1

        That’s the arrogance of entitlement that the voters rejected in 2008,2009 2010

        • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1

          And I think Bill English’s arrogance of entitlement is going to get nicely rejected in 2011, eh Fis?

          • Shamy 12.1.1.1.1

            Highly doubt that unless Goff develops a personality

            Never fear Viper, we will all enjoy another 3 years of your communist rantings against the govt post 2011 🙂

            • joe90 12.1.1.1.1.1

              And they’ve been coming for you since the 1620s.

              capcha: fun

            • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1.1.2

              My job after Labour gets in will be to make sure that they do not forget their social democratic roots and to make sure they do the right thing by the many, not the few.

        • joe90 12.1.1.2

          Nah Fizzy, it’s you running around like the class sneak, Miss! Miss!, Phil did…….oh, and it was after the Inrgam inquiry had reported back and found what…….?

          BTW, hows Jonkey handling Pansy, ah, right, she’s no longer a minister so he cant do anything…

          • Fisiani 12.1.1.2.1

            So which one of you communists will actually admit that Philip Field is a lying scumbag Labour crook. None of you?????

            [lprent: What communists? Are you including me in that? As far as I’m concerned it is as bad as calling me a tory supporter. Button poised over the ban key…
            Ummm and earlier in the day I find you telling us what posts we should write. Finger depressed and released. ]

            • Fisiani 12.1.1.2.1.1

              So which one of you (take a deep breath and hold nose) independent free thinkers will actually admit that Philip Field is a lying scumbag Labour crook? Go on press the ban key if that offends you.

              [lprent: Already did it for a earlier different offense. Is the heat getting to you? Telling us what we should write about on this site is a Darwin Award level screwup. ]

            • joe90 12.1.1.2.1.2

              Oh, he was lying and he was a crook but as far as your ‘communist’ jibe Fizzy, go fuck yourself. You wouldn’t know one if you fell over one, arsehole.

              Simple minded fools like you continue to minimise the suffering of millions by comparing a working New Zealanders political party to totalitarian monsters.Fuck you.

              Oh, and btw, Fizzy, seeing as how you’re such a fan of the thief from Dipton, go suck.

  11. Pascal's bookie 13

    Nice one Taffy’s…

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/pike-river-2010/62698/wales-touched-by-tragedy

    …but what a “lovespoon” is?

    I’m wiley enough not to ask.

  12. Draco T Bastard 14

    Johann Hari: There won’t be a bailout for the earth

    Yet the world’s governments are gathering in Cancun with no momentum and very little pressure from their own populations to stop the ecological vandalism. The Copenhagen conference last year collapsed after the most powerful people in the world turned up to flush their own scientists’ advice down a very clean Danish toilet. These leaders are sometimes described as “doing nothing about global warming.” No doubt that form of words will fill the reporting from Cancun too. But it’s false. They’re not “doing nothing” – they are allowing their countries’ emissions of climate-trashing gases to massively increase. That’s not failure to act. It’s deciding to act in an incredibly destructive way.

  13. David 15

    Just read that Bruce Emery is to be released next month, how is it fair that he stabbed a 15 year old to death and gets 2 years in prison? Wheres Garth McWan*er to tell us that Emery is the victim?

Links to post

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • OK, Britney: stop sniping at National for doing its job
    With normal democratic procedures in abeyance, there were two ways to go. First, it was open for the government to dissolve itself and invite the National Party to join a ministry of national salvation. That would have lessened the democratic deficit of the times by having a team of rivals without ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    2 hours ago
  • Helpful tips for parents during lockdown
    Dr Kirsty Ross Children and young people can respond differently in times of distress. This also varies by age and developmental stage, with younger children having more magical and imaginative thinking, and older children having more awareness and knowledge of the issues our communities are facing (which brings up ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 hours ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #13, 2020
    15 hours ago
  • Hungary is now a dictatorship
    Hungary has been a virtual dictatorship for a decade now, as Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has gradually eroded its democracy. But now, its official, with the passage of an indefinite emergency law allowing rule by decree:Hungary’s parliament has passed a new set of coronavirus measures that includes jail terms for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    17 hours ago
  • A new Ministry of Works
    While the economy is on pause under lockdown, the government is beginning to plan how to cope with the post-lockdown, post-tourism, post-export education world we will eventually find ourselves in. They're planning a lot of infrastructure spending as economic stimulus, and have asked for proposals which can start the moment ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    21 hours ago
  • Capture: Well spaced out
    It's my distraction,  setting up tiny scenes to photograph.  I've got stuck on the Babushka dolls for now.  Something about their bubble shape.  Something about their never changing, smiling features, suggesting persistent equanimity.  Can we get through everything that is being thrown at us and keep at least a tiny ...
    21 hours ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 6
    . . March 31: Day six of living in lock-down… This time I managed to sleep a little longer and the alarm woke me at the pre-set time: 6.55am. Then remembered I was working a later shift and could’ve slept in. Oh well, there are things to do at home. ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    22 hours ago
  • March ’20 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: Diamond Harbour School Blogs I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is unexpectedly missing or ...
    23 hours ago
  • Hard News: Poll Pot and the partisans
    Yesterday's Horizon poll showing support for a "Yes" vote in this year's cannabis referendum sliding into the majority for the first time in a year looked like good news for reformers – and it probably is. But the result warrants some scrutiny.The poll is the fifth in a series commissioned ...
    24 hours ago
  • Why those bubbles are so important
    For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to get a bit of exercise if we stay local. The reason we are doing this is ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 day ago
  • A Government System That Works
    The Covid-19 saga will no doubt produce many twists and turns for us before it is finally brought to an end. But one thing it has shown us – and what comfort it should bring us – is that our country’s government is in good hands. I am not thinking ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 day ago
  • Smashing down the barriers: Where are we at with COVID vaccines?
    In the absence of a vaccine or a cure for a deadly disease, staying home in your bubble is what you do, the concept is not new.  To the best of my knowledge last time we did this in NZ was for polio, in the years before a vaccine came ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    2 days ago
  • National Network on Cuba (USA): “Cuban medical solidarity is a pillar of its society and is founde...
    The following statement was released on March 28 by the National Network on Cuba, a coalition of 40 groups, based in the United States. In recent weeks, Cuba has deployed hundreds of medical providers to over a dozen countries in Europe, Asia, as well as to their neighbors in Latin ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • Alarming decrease in calves increases fears for endangered Hector’s dolphin
    This has been a terrible summer for Hector’s dolphins. The first indication was very low numbers of dolphin sightings during late spring and early summer. The Otago University Marine Mammal Research Team has carried out routine dolphin surveys at Banks Peninsula for more than 30 years. In all that time, ...
    SciBlogsBy Otago Marine Science
    2 days ago
  • Time for Grant Robertson to reveal package #2?
    On March 17, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was quick out of the blocks with an economic rescue package to help businesses through the inevitable recession resulting from the coronavirus pandemic. Robertson had pulled together a scheme in short order that so far seems to have saved many jobs. In his ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    2 days ago
  • Saving lives
    The purpose of the lockdown is to save lives, by reducing the spread of covid-19. We won't know if its really working for another week, but given the devastation that will result if it doesn't - 14,000 dead is the optimistic scenario - its definitely worth trying. But pausing the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 5
    . . March 30: Day five of living in lock-down… Woke up still in darkness. Alarm hadn’t gone off. Turn to radio clock; it’s a few minutes after 6am… I lie there in the dark, waiting to drift off to sleep… but it ain’t happening. Clock ticks over to 6.55 ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • Speaker: Les Gray: the man who told the truth
    The story of Les Gray, the public sector psychologist who told the truth about his use of cannabis and set off a storm, has a special place in the lore of cannabis reform in New Zealand.When Paul Shannon interviewed Gray for the 'Dope and Hope' issue of Planet magazine in ...
    2 days ago
  • Why now? Historical specificity and the perfect storm that has created trans identity politics
    by Phil Duncan For Marxists, a key concern about social trends is their context – not just their causes, but why they happen when they do.  Events and phenomena have causes, but they also are time or period-specific. While much of the left have capitulated recently to postmodernism, most notably ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Time for a living wage for supermarket workers
    Since the lockdown began, we've all suddenly been reminded who the actually essential workers in our society are: not the people at the top who pay themselves the big bucks and rort the perks, but the people at the bottom they screw over and squeeze: cleaners, warehouse staff, truck drivers ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: MUSIC: Lockdown Grooves
    Kia ora! As I've watched nearly all my remaining work vanish over the past couple of days, it has occured to me that one good way to keep me away from arguing with fools on Twitter all the time (in the knowledge that all we're really doing is processing our ...
    3 days ago
  • A place of greater safety?
    Aotearoa New Zealand has committed to trying to extirpate the virus that causes COVID-19 from its shores. To do that, as a society we’ve moved to “Level 4”. That means adapting to unprecedented restrictions on our personal freedoms, particularly to our rights to move freely and associate with friends and ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    3 days ago
  • The police and public trust
    When the Prime Minister declared a state of emergency last week, she handed the police powers to enforce it. And almost immediately, we started hearing about heavy-handed, arbitrary "enforcement" by police who (at best) cared more about order than law, or (more likely) had no idea what the rules were ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 4
    . . Lock Down: Day 4 – A photo essay with observations . March 29: Usual wake up routine as RNZ snaps on my radio-clock. Jim Mora’s voice slowly enters my conciousness; there’s talk of a second wave of covid19 taking hold in South Korea; the week in Parliament – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • COVID-19 vs New Zealand
    Yesterday, New Zealand recorded its first Covid-19 related death on the West Coast. Unfortunately this is unlikely to be the only fatality, with the virus now being found in every region of the country.However despite the significant danger, people are still unfortunately breaching lockdown rules.There’s really only one main very ...
    3 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #13
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Review... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... ‘Misinformation kills’: The link between coronavirus conspiracies and climate denial   Grist / Rob Kim / Stringer / CSA Images  Scientific ...
    3 days ago
  • Rāhui day 4
    The kids did surprisingly well today – meltdown count was about 3, and mostly fairly short ones. (And a fourth while I was writing.) Game-wise I had a go at Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark. It’s a fairly standard RPG with turn-based combat and what they call a “mature storyline” (it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    4 days ago
  • Letter to a friend
    by Don Franks Hi David, Nice hearing from you, I’m glad to hear you’re getting by okay in these grim times. You asked how’s it going for us back here in New Zealand. You would have heard that the whole country is locked down and with breaks for exercise and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 3
    . . Lock Down: Day 3 – A photo essay with observations . March 28: First day of the first weekend in Lock Down. It feels like it’s been weeks since only Level 3 was declared last Tuesday, only four days ago. Woke up this morning to RNZ; coffee; toast, ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #13
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 22, 2020 through Sat, Mar 28, 2020 Articles Linked to on Facebook Sun, Mar 22, 2020 In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters by Chelsea Harvey, ...
    4 days ago
  • Rāhui day 3
    I’m here in lockdown with my flatmate and her two girls (6 and 2) and it. is. a time. They’re usually really active so to start with the only boardgame in the house is the copy of Guess Who that the 6 year old got for her birthday. Flatmate commented ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    5 days ago
  • A test of civil society.
    The CV-19 (COVID) pandemic has seen the imposition of a government ordered national quarantine and the promulgation of a series of measures designed to spread the burden of pain and soften the economic blow on the most strategically important and most vulnerable sectors of society. The national narrative is framed ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 2
    . . Lock Down: Day 2 – A photo essay with observations . March 27 – Day 2 of our Strange New World. The Park and Ride near my suburb, usually filled with hundreds of vehicles, had just… four; . . Another drive into Wellington City on a highway nearly ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • How Do You Feel? What Do You Think?
    Fortune's Children: Under extraordinary pressure, the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will each show us what they are made of. Have they been blessed with intelligence, grace, wit, poise, toughness, empathy and humour – and in what measure? More importantly, to what extent have they ...
    5 days ago
  • Landlords are NOT an essential service
    If you’ve ever had the misfortune of having to rent a property on the open market in New Zealand, which is one of the most expensive in the entire world, you’ll likely be keenly aware of just how arrogant and entitled landlords and their real estate agents can be.Unfortunately for ...
    5 days ago
  • A “new Society” post-COVID19 will definitely emerge. The question is: on what path?
    Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    6 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: Everything you need to know about the wage subsidy
    Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    6 days ago
  • The massacre of prisoners in Modelo jail, Bogota, March 21
    by Equipo Jurídico Pueblos and Gearóid Ó Loingsigh (25/03/2020) An escape plan in question On the night of March 21st and the early morning of the 22nd, the forces of the Colombian state stormed into the Modelo prison in Bogotá, murdering 23 prisoners and injuring 83, in response to the ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • We are not America
    When the government banned semi-automatic weapons in response to a terrorist atrocity, gun-nuts were outraged. Mired in toxic American gun culture, they thought owning weapons whose sole purpose was killing people was some sort of "constitutional right", a necessity for "defending themselves" against the government. Now, the Court of Appeal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • When will we know the lockdown is working?
    Just before midnight on Wednesday March 25, Aotearoa New Zealand entered a countrywide alert level four lockdown. For at least the next four weeks, everyone who isn’t an essential worker is confined to their bubble. We are doing this to stop the explosive growth in people contracting and dying from ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    6 days ago
  • Lock Down: Day 1
    . . Lock Down: Day 1 – A photo essay with observations . Day one of the Level 4 nationwide lock-down (or, DefCon 4 as I sometimes cheekily call it) started at 11.59PM on 25 March. For a moment, most of the nation held it’s collective breath. In that brief ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • A Compelling Recollection.
    Broad, Sunlit Uplands: How those words fired my young imagination! Or, perhaps, it is more accurate to say: how those words fused, in my young mind, with the image printed on every packet of Fielder’s Cornflour. Always fascinated by history, especially modern history, I cannot hear Churchill’s wonderfully evocative words, even ...
    6 days ago
  • The Warehouse – where everyone gets a virus
    . . 24 March 2020 9.46AM Number of covid19 cases in Aotearoa New Zealand: 102 . As of 11.59 on Thursday, most of New Zealand will go into “lock down”. People will be expected not to travel to work; not to socialise; and to stay home. I will not be ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • Aggressive action to address climate change could save the world $145 trillion
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections A respected research group, Project Drawdown, finds that deploying solutions consistent with meeting the Paris climate targets would cost tens of trillions of dollars globally. But crucially, those outlays would also yield long-term savings many times larger than the up-front costs. The new 2020 Drawdown ...
    7 days ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    7 days ago
  • Coronavirus – Cuba shows the way
    We’ve been meaning t write something on Cuba and the coronavirus but have just discovered a very good article on the subject in the US left publication Jacobin.  The article looks at how Cuba, a poor country but one where capitalism has been done away with, is leading the way ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Using privacy law to prevent the death penalty
    In 2018, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey - two British citizens who had purportedly been stripped of their citizenship by the British government - were captured while fighting for Isis in Syria. The British government then conspired to hand them over to the US, and agreed to provide evidence ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • It’s Time For Disaster Socialism.
    Transformers: The disaster of the Great Depression was transformed into a new and fairer society by the democratic socialism of the First Labour Government. The disaster of the Covid-19 Pandemic offers a similar transformative possibility to the Labour-NZ First-Green Government. Seize the time, Jacinda! You will never have a better ...
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #12, 2020
    Tamper with The System? Well, we already are. But there's a difference between accidentally trickling sand into a precision gearbox versus formulating a plan to alter it on the fly with improvements in mind. One action is more or less innocently unscrupulous, the other amenable to earning an easy ...
    1 week ago
  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • An equitable way to support business
    The Herald reports that the government is planning to lend billions of dollars to large businesses to keep them operating during the pandemic. As with mortgage relief, this is necessary: we need companies to stay in business, to reduce the economic damage and help things get restarted again when this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Hard News: Together Alone
    We're about to do something unprecedented as a nation. We hope that by taking this extraordinary action before a single life in New Zealand has been lost to the deadly novel virus we will save tens of thousands of lives. Our  lives. We'll do it together, in households, in isolation ...
    1 week ago
  • Why timing is everything: ‘A time to refrain from embracing’ starts today
    “There is a time for everything,    and a season for every activity under the heavens.”So writes the author of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Old Testament that’s counted as a ‘wisdom’ book and written as if by an unnamed king of Jerusalem. But who would have thought there would be a time ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    1 week ago
  • Dealing with the Covid-19 Tsunami.
    I was surprised when the prime minister described the Economic Response to Covid-19 package as the ‘largest peacetime government spend in New Zealand's history’. Reflecting – checking through history – I realised that the term ‘spend’ was crucial and the package had no income tax cuts. Even so, it has ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • What about renters?
    The government today announced the latest part of its pandemic relief package: a six-month mortgage holiday for people whose incomes have been affected by the pandemic. Which is great, because these people are going to need help, and that's what the government should be doing. At the same time, it ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Living within our means.
    Years ago the Argentine sociologist Carlos Weisman wrote a book titled “Living within our Means.” It was a critique of Argentine society that focused on the paradoxical question of why, in a land of plenty, there was so much economic instability, inequality, corruption and political turmoil. His conclusion was basically ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Transparency and the pandemic
    Parliament will be leading by example and adjourning tomorrow after a special sitting to consider an epidemic notice and state of emergency. Day-to-day oversight of the government will be delegated to a select committee. But that's not the only overight mechanism. The OIA will still be law, and (so far) ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • ‘Overjoyed’: a leading health expert on New Zealand’s coronavirus shutdown, and the challengin...
    Michael Baker, University of Otago Overjoyed. That’s not a word epidemiologists normally use, but that’s how I felt after hearing Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s announcement about New Zealand’s COVID-19 shutdown of everything except essential services for at least four weeks from midnight on Wednesday. More than anything, I just ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • One way to solve the housing crisis
    How much homelessness is caused by house hoarding? We're about to find out. The pandemic has destroyed tourism, which means that house hoarders who put their hoarded properties up as short-term tourist rentals are now offering them on the ordinary rental market:Property investors are pulling properties from Airbnb to offer ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The pros and cons of planting trees to address global warming
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Bruce Lieberman It seems like such a simple, straightforward, empowering idea: plant trees – a lot of trees – all over the world, and watch the planet’s temperature fall. Who doesn’t love a tree or two, even far more – the right ...
    1 week ago
  • Not a grand coalition, but a government of national salvation
    According to Newshub, Simon Bridges is open to joining a “grand coalition” with Labour as we hunker down to go into a month long lockdown. The idea is sound. Before now, the role of the opposition was to scrutinise and oppose. In the context of what almost amounts to a ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: hospitality workers & wage subsidy entitlements
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • Lifting our game against COVID-19
    We need to be lifting our game against COVID-19. You and I need to help those working to prevent the spread of COVID-19 while they’re trying to lift the testing and treatment efforts. We don’t want to be playing this game running backwards. Best to play it solidly forward, from ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    1 week ago
  • The maths and ethics of minimising COVID-19 deaths in NZ
    Prof Tony Blakely, Prof Michael Baker, and Prof Nick Wilson The NZ Government must do more to clearly articulate its COVID-19 strategy: eradication or ‘flattening the curve’ mitigation. But to do so means understanding the maths and ethics of both these strategies. In this blog, we adapt our work for ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • All aboard the Covid Train
    A few days ago I was starting to write something about the pandemic, which now seems unconscionable. It took the form of a letter to an agony aunt:“Dear Deidre, I have an ugly confession. I am quite excited by Covid-19.”This is how the piece went:“I’m not a psychopath, honest. Although the ...
    PunditBy Phil Vine
    1 week ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #12
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Climate Feedback Article Review... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Reviews... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters The likelihood of extreme events ...
    1 week ago
  • We are all socialists now
    Last week, the government announced a $12 billion initial package to support people during the pandemic. Today, the Reserve Bank is buying government bonds - effectively printing money - to keep up the money supply during the crisis. Normally such moves would have the right apoplectic. Instead, the National Party ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A plea to experts: safeguard your role in public life
    I am a pundit, somebody who opines and comments on the news. There are no real qualifications to punditry though having a rudimentary way with words and good general knowledge helps. That is one reason there is a constant oversupply of would-be pundits and why it is quite hard to ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    2 weeks ago
  • Enlightenment when?
    I recently encountered the following prescription from a Faculty of Education at a leading New Zealand University. At first I wondered if it was another product of the postmodern generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/), designed to create gibberish in the postmodern form, but I’m told it is real: The “schooled” society: Towards the ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Corballis
    2 weeks ago
  • What the Crisis Can teach Us
    The coronavirus pandemic has of course had a major impact on individual lives and on societies as a whole. But, long after the crisis has passed (assuming it does), we will begin to realise that its real and lasting significance lies in the lessons it has taught us, if only ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Hammering home measures to stop COVID-19
    COVID-19 has plunged Aotearoa New Zealand (indeed, the world) into territory that, while maybe not totally unprecedented, certainly hasn’t been seen during the lifetimes of most of us here today. Our borders are closed to non-citizens, we’re being told not to gather in groups of more than 500 outside/100 inside, ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    2 weeks ago
  • What does ‘level two’ mean – and why does it matter?
    For the last few weeks, I’ve been urging you to prepare yourself, your family, business, and community for Covid-19. Now it’s time for real action.  Yesterday the director-general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield announced another 13 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand, bringing our total to date to 52. ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    2 weeks ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #12
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 15, 2020 through Sat, Mar 21, 2020 Editor's Pick Now Isn’t the Time to Forget About Our Climate Change Efforts   Tasha Tilberg, Lindsey Wixson, and Liu Wen photographed ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Is the Guardian becoming  a real newspaper again?
    by Jan Rivers The article has been corrected to show that it was Ewen MacAskill, former Guardian journalist and not Luke Harding who travelled to meet Edward Snowden with journalist Glenn Greenwald and filmmaker Laura Poitras.  Some of the Guardian’s well-known journalists who did not sign the protest letter are ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago

  • Business Finance Guarantee – applications open
    Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago
  • Work starts on ways to fast-track consents to boost recovery from Covid-19 downturn
    Work is underway looking at measures to speed up consents for development and infrastructure projects during the recovery from COVID 19, to provide jobs and stimulate our economy.  Environment Minister David Parker said the COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis that will have a wide ranging and lasting impact ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago
  • Advance payments to support contractors
    Advance payments will be made to transport construction industry contractors to retain the workforce and ensure it is ready to quickly gear up to build projects which will be vital to New Zealand’s COVID-19 economic recovery, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. He said keeping the workforce required to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Health system scaled up to prepare for COVID-19
    Work to scale up the health system in preparation for COVID-19 was today outlined by Health Minister David Clark, as he reported back to the new Epidemic Response Committee. “We are well placed to contain the spread of COVID-19. We have taken early and decisive action at our borders, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Strong Govt books support ‘go hard, go early’ response
    New Zealand’s ability to go hard and go early in the fight against COVID-19 has been underpinned by strong Government finances and the growing economy heading into this global pandemic, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown financial statements for the eight months to the end ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Rent increase freeze and more protection for tenants
    Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Working together to protect businesses and workers
    As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • State of National Emergency declared to fight COVID-19
    A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister’s statement on State of National Emergency and Epidemic Notice
    Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Deadline for domestic travel extended
    People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Mortgage holiday and business finance support schemes to cushion COVID impacts
    The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government working to keep air freight moving
    Minister of Transport Phil Twyford has today announced details of the Government’s support package to keep key air freight moving and ensure New Zealanders retain access to essential goods during the four-week level 4 lockdown. “The Government is working with airlines and air freight operators to ensure New Zealand’s key ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand moves to COVID-19 Alert Level 3, then Level 4 in 48 hours
    New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 3 – Restrict New Zealand to move up to COVID-19 Alert Level 4 – Eliminate, in 48 hours Two-staged approach to give people and businesses time to prepare  Level 3, from tomorrow Non-essential businesses must close All events and gatherings must be ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister: COVID-19 Alert Level increased
    Good afternoon  The Cabinet met this morning to discuss our next actions in the fight against COVID-19.  Like the rest of the world, we are facing the potential for devastating impacts from this virus. But, through decisive action, and through working together, do we have a small window to get ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt takes significant economic decisions as NZ readies for Alert Level 4 in COVID-19 fight
    The Government is announcing significant further support for the economy, workers and businesses as the country unites to prepare for Alert Level 4 in the fight against COVID-19. Cabinet today agreed to remove the cap on the Government’s wage subsidy scheme, which will inject a further $4 billion into the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt backs RBNZ move to support economy with lower interest rates
    The Government is backing the Reserve Bank’s latest action to support the economy by reducing longer-term interest rates, meaning lower costs for businesses and mortgage holders, and a lower currency to help our exporters. The Minister of Finance has signed a memorandum of understanding and a letter of indemnity with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government statement on commercial cooperation during COVID-19
    The Government has asked the Commerce Commission to take account of the exceptional circumstances created by COVID-19 when monitoring business behaviour in coming weeks.   “The purpose of my request to the Commerce Commission is to make sure businesses can work together in ways that will allow them to provide ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand temporarily closes diplomatic posts in Barbados and Myanmar due to COVID-19
    The New Zealand Government has temporarily closed its High Commission in Bridgetown, Barbados and its Embassy in Yangon, Myanmar due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Due to the increasing scarcity of air links in and out of Bridgetown and Yangon, and the pressure COVID-19 is placing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Supporting Māori communities and businesses through
    Associate Health and Whānau Ora Minister Peeni Henare has today announced the Government’s plan to support Māori communities and businesses in the face of COVID-19. “Our Government’s $12.1 billion economic package will help many Māori whānau, workers and businesses, whether it’s through wage subsidies, income support and worker redeployment, or ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Guidelines for hospitality establishments released
    The Government and the hospitality industry have worked together to produce guidelines to assist with managing and reducing transmission of COVID-19, Health Minister David Clark announced today.  The guidelines developed between the Government, Hospitality New Zealand and SkyCity Entertainment Group, set out how the new restrictions on physical distancing and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Nation steps up to COVID-19 Alert Level 2
    Four stage Alert System for COVID-19 announced New Zealand moved up to COVID-19 Alert Level 2 – Reduce Contact New Zealanders over 70 and those with certain medical conditions told to stay at home as much as they can to reduce risk of contact with the virus Workplaces to implement ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago