Open mike 27/08/2023

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  1. Roy Cartland 1

    Can someone explain:

    The whole media is tending toward some kind of fait accompli that Labour et al will lose. Based on polls. Then they say that the polls will influence the vote anyway and make it a self fulfilling prophecy.

    I remember they said it last time and they were all wrong?

    Please, clever pundits: what? Why? How? Huh?

    • bwaghorn 1.1

      Polling is toxic to democracy, it stops people thinking for themselves, it leads to people under an mmp system voting for handbrake politicians like Winston.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 1.1.1

        handbrake politicians like Winston.

        handbrake.. or "hand on it" (as in: they have got their hand on "it") could describe Winston First…and Seymour/Rimmer.

        Both narcissists, attention demanders and… love themselves.

        I hope more is revealed about their intrinsic flaky nature…if nothing else, it will frighten the Nats. (and horses : )

  2. Mike the Lefty 2

    I was skipping through stuff.co.nz and read about some of the valedictory speeches of MPs. I hadn't realised that Aupito William Sio had delivered his in traditional island dress naked to his waste. It made me think, a decade ago this would not have been permitted in the House, male MPs were expected to wear a tie and I can vaguely recall a Green MP (I can't remember his name) being ordered to leave the house because he wasn't wearing one.

    Times have certainly changed.

  3. scotty 3

    Check out Poto William's humorous valedictory speech – name checking Jenna Lynch amongst others.

    https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/

  4. scotty 4

    Some facts for any pothole-centric chats with National adjacent family, friends and neighbors.

    https://subslack.substack.com/p/fifty-million-more-cars-and-no-more

    • bwaghorn 5.1

      Na labour for its faults are still far better for nz , national hate building houses, they hate wage earners especially the below average wage Ines, you need labour governments occasionally to get things done.

      • arkie 5.1.1

        That is a former Labour MP advocating for a grand coalition. 'Getting things done' is not the goal; the aim is staying in power and locking out the alternatives.

        • bwaghorn 5.1.1.1

          Just refreshed my memory on why je left parliament, not an honorable man so standing for nothing is no surprise

  5. weka 6

    Anyone know when Labour are going to start their election campaign?

    • Binders full of women 6.1

      They are making an announcement today…about working with New Zealand First. My prediction.

    • Anne 6.2

      The official campaign period begins with Labour's opening razzmatazz in Auckland next Sat. 2nd September. I guess the others will be around the same time. I won't be attending the Lab function because I can no longer stand all the noise and the ghastly background music. 🙁

      Chippy has been on leave to spend time with his 4 year old daughter who was/is in hospital. Guess he will be back on board tomorrow Monday.

      • Visubversa 6.2.1

        We will miss next Saturday's Labour "kick off" also. It will be the first one in Auckland that we will miss since about 1990. We will still vote for them, and I have a couple of signs on the front fence, but that is our limit.

        • Anne 6.2.1.1

          My local area is swimming in National hoardings – big ones too. They've got so much money they don't know what to do with it. I'm just loving my little red bill board stuck in the middle. Planning to get another one to keep it company.

    • bwaghorn 6.3

      Thought they already had with the stupid gst off food policy??

  6. joe90 7

    More cooker/incel/loser meet-up.

    Cam Slater

    @kaiviti_cam

    Boycotts don't work. People listening to .

    @OzraeliAvi

    https://twitter.com/kaiviti_cam/status/1695345957360259134/photo/1

  7. Blazer 8

    According to opposition parties Labour has made the NZ economy a basket…case…!

    'Standard & Poor's credit rating for New Zealand stands at AA+ with stable outlook. Moody's credit rating for New Zealand was last set at Aaa with stable outlook. Fitch's credit rating for New Zealand was last reported at AA+ with stable outlook.'

  8. PsyclingLeft.Always 9

    Labour leader Chris Hipkins has ruled out New Zealand First as a possible coalition partner after this year's election, saying Winston Peters and his party would cause "instability and chaos".

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/496678/instability-and-chaos-labour-rules-out-a-partnership-with-nz-first

    We did think…but good to see !

    • Blazer 9.1

      Hadn't Winston already ruled out working with…Labour?

      • alwyn 9.1.1

        Well yes, but I don't think Chippie reads the front pages of the papers so he probably hasn't seen it.

        • PsyclingLeft.Always 9.1.1.1

          Chris Hipkins was spelling it o.u.t. And was probably for the hard of comprehending. Do you…comprehend now? : )

          • alwyn 9.1.1.1.1

            When I read about Peters and Hipkins talking about each other I am reminded of the wonderful 1939 cartoon by David Low. It was called Rendevous.

            https://www.theguardian.com/pictures/image/0,8543,-10104410005,00.html

            If it is to their advantage to co-operate after the election in order to form a Government they will do so instantly. Both of them are in it for whatever they can get out of it and to hell with what they said yesterday.

        • bwaghorn 9.1.1.2

          People probably thought yeah right when winnie said it, hipkins has neatly gift wrapped him for on the fence luxon

  9. arkie 10

    The Greens have announced their Climate Safe Communities policy:

    Climate Safe Communities is an achievable plan that over the next seven years will reshape the places we live to meet three priorities:

    • People first – our communities will be reshaped around the needs of people, not cars, with green streets for our children to play and move around safely
    • Space for nature – our streets will be lined with trees and streams, and green spaces will provide a place to relax and protect us from flooding
    • Climate-friendly travel – people will find it easier to get around on buses and trains, with services like free dental just a safe walk or bike ride away

    https://www.greens.org.nz/climate_communities

    As part of it a $750 million fund would be setup to help protect communities from the increased extreme weather caused by climate change:

    "Instead of having governments that are reacting to disaster, our Climate-Safe Communities plan will shift towards creating stronger communities. Resilient, affordable, inclusive communities that can meet everyone's needs despite the challenges of the disrupted climate," Shaw said.

    The party would set rules to "make sure developers and councils are working together to construct more resilient homes and buildings designed to handle extreme weather, and ensure greater use of green spaces that not only provide a space to relax, but filter and drain flood waters", he said.

    Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson said the party wants to bring towns and cities "into balance with a healthy climate and thriving nature" and make sure they "meet the needs of everyone within the limits of the planet".

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/496677/green-party-promises-750-million-fund-to-protect-towns-and-cities-from-flooding

  10. joe90 11

    India's not a member of the ICC so there's zero chance of Poots being arrested.

    Flying in international airspace could be rather bad for his health, though.

    MOSCOW, Aug 25 (Reuters) – The Kremlin said on Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin had no plans to attend the G20 summit in India in September in person.

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued an arrest warrant for Putin accusing him of war crimes in Ukraine, something the Kremlin strongly denies. This means he risks arrest when travelling abroad.

    This week he attended a gathering of leaders from the BRICS group of emerging economies in South Africa by video link, not in person.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-putin-has-no-plans-attend-g20-india-person-2023-08-25/

  11. MickeyBoyle 12

    I genuinely think this was an idiotic move by Hipkins to rule out Winston Peters and NZFirst. Is Hipkins not seeing the polls? There is no current path to power on the left without Peters.

    Imo this decision has just decided the election.

    Many on the left are going to have to vote NZFirst to spoil National and Acts party. He will be the fly in their soup and waste at least one term of a right wing government.

    • arkie 12.1

      lol

      Or these people 'on the left' can vote for the only left-wing parties in parliament; TPM and the Greens. Why someone 'on the left' would help bring in a National-led government by voting for the WinstonFirst party is beyond me.

      • MickeyBoyle 12.1.1

        I’ll take TPM and the Greens over this iteration of Labour any day.

        But if there is no path for power for the left. I’d take a National, NZFirst and Act government over a National and Act government alone.

        Winston will spoil the party and destabilize that government. I’ll take that as a small win.

        • arkie 12.1.1.1

          There certainly isn't a 'path for power for the left' if you advocate not voting for left wing parties. The only way to have a left wing government is to vote for it and NZFirst definitely isn't on the left. It is reassuring to see that despite it's increased centrism Labour knows not to repeat 2017.

    • SPC 12.2

      The Labour/Green/TPM vote has to hold up to block a NACT government, then NZF can do their thing (centrist blocking of the left and right extremes).

      The risk of a NACT government is to National, it would be as bad as the 1990-1999 regime that was only saved from defeat in 1993 by FPP (and a divided Labour and New Labour) and in 1996 (with MMP) by NZF making its biggest mistake.

      Centrists who want a change of government need to save the country from ACT and vote wisely.

  12. joe90 13

    So why aren’t we talking about this? For many years, we did.

    Because,to paraphrase my SO, we don't and we never have cared. But if a racehorse was beaten to death every month, we'd be on the streets.

    /

    In the year to June 30, 2023, Oranga Tamariki established that 12,743 individual children were abused or neglected. That’s around 1.1% of under-17s.

    Let that sink in. That means around one in 90 children were abused or neglected last year.

    Whitcombe says the real figure will likely be much higher, because so much abuse is unreported or unprovable.

    So why aren’t we talking about this? For many years, we did. Names like Chris and Cru Kahui, Lillybing, James Whakaruru, Coral Burrows, and Moko Rangitoheriri are etched into our minds.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300958410/how-many-kids-are-being-killed-oranga-tamariki-cant-say

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  13. Mike the Lefty 14

    Well.

    ACT says they won't work with NZ First.

    Labour says they won't with NZ First.

    No-one wants to work with poor old Winnie.

    I think that impacts more on National than Labour.

    I don't think many in Labour thought seriously they could have a working relationship with NZ First anyway based on some of NZ First's choice of candidates, what has been said by both parties up til now, and confirmed by Hipkins today. It means that the only practical coalition for Labour would be with the Greens and Te Pati Maori, who will likely win 2-3 seats on current polling.

    But for National it means that the NACT alliance HAS to get a majority in its own right, with every other party as potential opposition. With NZ First polling over 5% which will probably get them 6-7 MPs if maintained and looking to be a cross bench spoiler for both main parties, National have more to lose than Labour in this scenario.

    • SPC 14.1

      WP's NZF strategy is to deny parties like Greens and ACT a place in any coalition government.

      ACT says it won't work with NZF because it wants a NACT government.

      NZF won't back a NACT government, only a National one, that would leave NZF and ACT as its support partners.

      Labour won't work with NZF, because NZF will only support a National led government.

      THE RACE NOW

      Labour at 30%+ Green at 10%+ TPM 3%+ 43.% + 2.0% (no majority even if NZF below 5%)

      National 35% + 12% + 2% (NACT majority if NZF below 5%)

      National 35% + 12% + 2% + 6% (National led government)

      ACT 12%

      NZF c4-6%

      TOP + others c4%. 2.0% SPLIT UPWARD

  14. Patricia Bremner 15

    So Luxon thinks Hipkins is desperate because Hipkins points out the crazies being attracted to Act and NZFirst.

    Perhaps Hipkins thinks Luxon needs reminding that Gangs are not a Political Party, as Luxon. tried putting them in Labour's Coalition.

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