it could reflect that some people with less than 150k but more than a lower amount dont think they need another $60 a week? I would agree with them.
Cunliffe didn’t have the courage to make it what it should have been… a payment to the households earning under 50% of median or thereabouts…. instead he didnt want to be seen to be cutting out the middle class… he’s still doing a josie pagani and flirting with the magical middle class. My household income is about 95k per year. Is he flirting with me? Cos it’s not working.
I am still voting greens after hearing the 3 state of the nation speeches.
I like Campbells interview that showed that not only would middle class NZ want the money, but they recognized interest rates were going up and they were for a second squeeze on their budgets. Though of course I will continue to support the Green party on the list.
JK, I wonder, is the Herald poll anything like the stuff.co.nz polls where where you can repeatedly click on the same option? That is, X amount of votes can be generated by the same person therefore making the poll a total sham, – (as if it was representative anyway!)
Rosie, better to wait for the next Roy Morgan, it’s not necessarily something to hang our coats on as totally correct but as the most frequent of polls will give us an indication within the ongoing trend which we should be able to see both the Labour and Green’s start to the election campaign…
Generally not the next Roy Morgan. You usually want the one that is about 5-6 weeks later to get the immediate effect.
The logic is that they will probably be mid-collecting now so the next poll will only partially reflect. It usually seems to take the NZ public a couple of weeks to actually process/read about/discuss political announcements and come to some considered judgement. Just consider that many only get around to considering opinion from commentators when it shows up in the weekend papers roundups. Then it takes two weeks to collect the canvassing.
Of course the hysterics of the right are busy trying to mould opinion right now in the astroturfing of Stuff. But ultimately that is really just preaching to the converted…. It is as pointless as snap polls on MSM websites.
Yep, the next few Roy Morgans will be interesting reading. All I’ll say for the moment is that in late 2007/early 2008 and in late 2010/early 2011, the Left Bloc was receiving 42% and 40% respectively (and they turned out to be relatively close elections – particularly, of course, 08). Currently, the Left’s averaging around 46% so things aren’t looking too bad (though I still remain slightly – very slightly – pessimistic).
It usually seems to take the NZ public a couple of weeks to actually process/read about/discuss political announcements and come to some considered judgement.
A couple of weeks? More like a couple of months sometimes.
Can someone help with the maths and its relationship to opinions expressed please?
Using a rough estimate of polling as a guide …
Nats 45 %
Lab 34 %
Green 12 %
NZF 4 %
Act 1 %
UF 0.5 %
Con 2 %
Mp 2 %
Others 1
(I understand that the likes of O’Reilly, Barnett, have just one vote each, just like the rest of us…)
so how is it that the Media sources comment from all and sundry on the Right for their views on things and very little from the left?
Now just looking at the above, I would have thought that on the figures of national representation, the likes of Dunne, Boscowan, Prebble, Hide, get a disproportionate amount of air time. For every 49 Right wing commentators, there should be 49 from the Left.
Read the daily blog? you’ve got 49 blowhards right there.
in the press, trotter, mccarten, armstrong (dave), one of the rotation of “academics” pushing a left wing cause. against, hooten, hide and one of the normal business type leaders pushing a right wing cause in the business pages.
pretty evenly balanced. Of course, you’ll hate political journos as they tend to offer balanced opinion and insight. which of course makes them closest right wingers to any right-thinking lefty.
You can’t lie to people if they don’t trust you. I leaving off watching his show until the election is called, then I won’t be played by his obvious right wing bias. I did however flip and catch 30s of it and it look real cheap.
Took my brother in law to David Cunliffe’s SON yesterday, he was really impressed and after voting Key in 2008 and 2011 will be switching to Labour 2014.
Bit simplistic chris73. Do you watch Parliament TV?
If they were docked for asinine, or childish behaviour I’d agree. 😉
But if you are in opposition, with little chance of changing outcomes – then perhaps the public gets more for their money if you are out working in the community – serving your constituents.
If they were docked properly for such behaviour I think we could run Parliament at a profit. It would end up with MPs having to pay us to go there, rather than us have to pay them.
The funny part is that, after penalties were levied, the highest paid MPs would be people like Bakshi, Prasad and Prosser. Can anyone, from memory, say the parties those three belong to?
Slater has been in love with Bananarama for quite a while now. He acts as an enthusiastic chairleader for the state torturers when they inflict anal pain on prisoners with metal rods. He is one very sick puppy and the fact that our PM’s office has direct links with him is a real worry. Farrar probably presages a change of approach on behalf of NAct.
The media ought to have to refer to The New Zealand Initiative as fka the business round table… interesting to see them gaining profile in election year. Been quiet since 2008.. must be slightly worried.
Burt you are on the wrong site but it won’t be hard to find anothet hayseed for National to replace the double dipping dipstock from dipton.
I see Nationals one of many broken promises to get rid of the Maori seats has been completely forgotten Butt Burt if that had happened both Clutha Southland and Invercargill electorates would be marginal andLabour repectfully as Many Maori live in both electorates .
So your side swipe at CV is Hollow.
This time if he stands I hope he prosecutes the National party neatherthals who made threats of violence against A very brave Tatloo.
Burt you don’t have the balls to come any where near Tats bravery.
Even on this site you wouldn’t reveal your real name you coward.
*Parents with an income of less than $150,000 a year will qualify for it for the first year of their newborn’s life.
*Will begin April 1, 2016.
*Parents on modest incomes (up to about $70,000) will qualify for payments for two more years, abating after $50,000.
*Expected to apply to about 59,000 0-1-year-olds and 63,000 1 to 2-year-olds.
*Working for Families tax credits will not be affected.
*Cost of the child payments is expected to be $528 million a year by 2017-18.
Babies born after 1 April 2016 will qualify for the $60/week payment. Not sure when they play to bring in the paid parental leave, but as it’s currently a members bill before the house, they’d have no excuses not to bring that through in their first 100 days.
Actually I think the hard cut-off date will be changed in practice, because otherwise we’ll see a bunch of mothers trying to ensure their babies are delivered after 1st of April, which is unseemly.
A better approach would just be to say any babies under the age of 1 after the 1st of April will receive the payments. That way if they’re born on March 31st they won’t be penalised.
The majority of election year policies are always set in the distant future, not sure what the alternative is, unless you look at National of course.
They do it a little differently. They present a long list of promises short on detail. Then once the election is over those policies get pushed further and further out, whilst policy they never campaigned on gets passed under urgency.
“..”Labour’s policy is not to decriminalise cannabis. That is not our intention.”
that was cunnliffe..
and this from turei makes me puke even more..
“..Greens Co-leader and former Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party member Metiria Turei said cannabis law reform wasn’t one of her party’s major priorities –
-“but it is our policy and we’re not ashamed of it”.
(she’s not fucken ‘ashamed’ of it..?
..wtf..!!!)
..how about you read the truth behind their bullshit..bad..
.and then see how ‘lolz’ you are then..?
..eh..?
..turei viewed the aotearoa legalise pot party as a political vehicle..for her personal ambitions
..tureu viewed the green party as a political vehicle..for her personal ambitions
..she is a carnivorous.dead-animal skin wearing/pot prohibitionist opportunist..
..she comes not within a fucken bulls’ roar of being ‘green’ in any aspect of her life..
..she is a cynical political-opportunist..
..who claims/ed to be ‘green’..
..because she sees that as the best ‘vehicle’ for her personal ambitions..
….slow down…
Phil…
The more votes that Go to the green party the better the chances of change…
Child Poverty is a bigger issue.
National will use cannibis reform to beat us.
Be patient phil take some medical marajuana.
The reforms in the US haven’t been all good .
Let’s get a change of govt first.
Lolz,Lolz, and Lolz again, tell me something Phillip, you have a Blog??? is that not part of your personal ambitions, are you then not trying to ‘use’ your readers as part of those personal ambitions,
You forgot McGillycuddy Serious in your little list of those you accuse Mets of ‘using’ to further Her personal ambitions,as well as the Beneficiaries Movement in which She was also heavily involved back in the early 1990’s,
The Green Party isn’t going to die in a ditch over the issue of decriminalization Phillip, and only a fool would expect them to make such an issue a ‘make or break issue’ in any coalition talks and as i expect the Green’s to be 12-15% of the vote in 2014 why the hell would they…
Wah fucking wah Phillip, grabbing any excuse in an attempt to justify your outlandish attack on Metiria Turei,
Funnily it is not until you are put under pressure that you start waving around the dead bodies of cancer victims in your pathetic, childish attacks,
What Phillip do you think would have happened to the ‘medical marijuana Bill,(if there is one), had it by Chance been pulled from the members ballot, remembering all the while that as part of the Opposition the only way to get such a Bill befor the Parliament is if it is drawn in what is essentially a lottery,
i would suggest in the current Parliament such a Bill even if with luck it had been drawn from the ballot would not have the numbers to pass it’s first reading…
so..arguing for cancer-suffers undergoing chemo..to be able to access the relief cannabis can provide..(a proven medical..as well as an observational..fact..)
..this is ‘cry-baby bullshit’..?
..arguing this..and the rationalities of the colorado-model..vs..prohibition..?
“..What Phillip do you think would have happened to the ‘medical marijuana Bill,(if there is one), had it by Chance been pulled from the members ballot, remembering all the while that as part of the Opposition the only way to get such a Bill befor the Parliament is if it is drawn in what is essentially a lottery,
i would suggest in the current Parliament such a Bill even if with luck it had been drawn from the ballot would not have the numbers to pass it’s first reading…”
i never said i thought it would have passed..
..but turei had the perfect platform to advance that cause..
..to argue for those cancer-patients..for medical-marijuana
..she could have got on all the media outlets..
..she could have pointed out the cruelties to cancer patients..
..she did absolutely fucken nothing..
..zero..zip..nada..
..not a murmer..
..and aside from anything else..
..what does she/the greens think the people who first voted them into office would want her/them to do..?
..and this current benign neglect from turei just emphasises the betrayal by the greens..
..of those pot-advocates who first got them over the line..
..without them/their votes..the green party as it exists would not be there..
..and this is/has been the gratitude they have received..
..ever since then the green party has just turned their backs on them..
..(and as an aside..as for yr serial ‘cry-baby’ ad homs..i have two words..
..one of them is ‘get’ and the other is ‘fucked!’..
This is New Zealand if Cancer patients want access to Cannabis they should have no trouble getting it.
but yes it should be legalised and people not criminalised for their drug of choice
Yes, they differ over leagalising cannabis. On that basis Steven Joyce, and therefore the media, have panicked that there are cracks in the Labour green block… Overlooking that they are
a. two separate parties;
b. no different to Winston wanting to buy back assets, Key doesn’t, Colin Craig wanting to hit his children and Key not wanting that’
it’s not labour policy but it is green policy. That labour will leave it to a conscience vote doesn’t change that it is not their policy to decriminalise, does it?
That is some P Ure bullshit right there! Yeh – I get that cannabis law reform is a priority for you, but that’s no reason to throw a tanty just because it is not as high priority to others. I’m not a fan of the term, but when you agitate for the opportunity to have specialist shops selling expensive luxury items, that truly is; boutique politics.
It’s not so much that I disagree with you about the desirability of cannabis regulation (& taxation)/ decriminalisation, it’s just how tightly you let Gower wind you up over this one.
As for cancer patients; there are Pharmac approved antiemetics, but their side-effect profile may not be well tolerated in all cases. The same could be said of anadamoid agents though. It’s been my experience that chemotherapy patients who want it are presently quite as able to source decent quality herb as any other member of society (anecdotal).
Mr Ure
I have cancer. I have no desire to smoke dope. If I did, it would not be hard to find.
It should be legalised because it’s used by the government and police to target a generation of our kids, mostly Maori, and lock them in Serco profit factories. It is also used to attack our rights in other ways.
As far as legalising dope goes, it should be done for a number of reasons, and the sooner the better. I personally think the medical marijuana issue is a bit of a diversion.
“the medical marijuana issue is a bit of a diversion.”
Actually I think it’s worse than a diversion.
The reason to legalise marijuana is that it’s no-one’s fucking business if you want to smoke marijuana. Simple as that.
The medical thing undermines that stance. The medical thing says that there are legitimate and illegitimate reasons to smoke marijuana and that the govt gets to decide which is which.
The NZ Herald article is just a repeat of the report on 3 News last night. I was at the Cunliffe press stand up after Cunliffe’s speech yesterday. I saw and (mostly) heard Gower asking question after question after question of Cunliffe about the Greens cannabis policy.
I couldn’t hear or see everything – media scrum in small space with sound of people leaving the hall in the background – but it just seemed to me to be Gower pushing the wedge/cracks line re Laour and the Greens.
What I did hear Cunliffe say: the Greens could put such policies on the negotiating table. Cunliffe said he wasn’t going to negotiate such things through the media. He said he wasn’t going to negotiate in advance about what was going to be negotiated when the negotiations start. He supports the Greens’ education policy that was announced the day before.
The only evidence they have of the cannabis policy resulting in “cracks” between Labour and the Greens is this, as quoted in the report, and taken from Cunliffe’s stand up yesterday (omitting most of Cunliffe’s replies):
“They can put on the table what they want to put on the table, but Labour’s policy is not to decriminalise cannabis,” says Mr Cunliffe.
The NZ Herald article just repeats the 3 News report without attribution. I guess they could claim they got the info from Cunliffe’s qu & a yesterday.
Watch for more wedge politics against the left, probably being led by Paddy Gower in future.
phillip you have been played by Gower, 3 News and the NZ Herald – it’s all a beat up, don’t get sucked into their wedge games, aimed at undermining a potential Labour-Greens alliance.
The bit from Turei saying that the cannabis policy was not high priority for them, seemed to follow from 3 News claiming the Greens were ashamed of the policy – if you watch the video of the 3 news report.
His comments here and in previous threads seem to confirm my observation that he has serious issues with strong women who have differing opinions and priorities to him
Resulting in a need to attack them personally rather than engage in discussion
Phil be a bit smarter around this. To say that they are for decriminalization now risks political suicide and pushing a certain chunk of voters away. After the election once in power it becomes much easier to look at. It could even happen quite early on so any backlash dies down after it is decriminalised or legalised (even better) and people see that the sky hasn’t fallen.
..and i wasn’t even going to mention pot this yr..(in that context..)
..but i have thought more on this..and personal-exposure to suffering cancer-patients..
..and realising how many more of them are out there here/now/today..
..made me realise this case must be argued long and hard..
..’go softly’ has been tried fr so long..
..and as for public opinion..?
..i say again..go look at that stuff comments-thread i mentioned earlier..
..90% of the comments support ending prohibition..
..haven’t you noticed the stunning-silences from the prohibitionists..?
..they are silent..because all of their arguments have been laughed out of the room..
..and a well-argued/coherent/humane policy-promise would find little opposition..
..and for now..i would be happy for a promise to extend access to plant-marijuana for those in medical-need..and already legally able to pay $1300 fucken dollars..to a fucken drug-company(!)..for..namely sativex..
..that is not a huge leap..and would face little/no opposition..
..what is so fucken hard about that..?
..and so i have decided ‘no silence’..
..and will argue this case..up ’till the election..and beyond..
..once again..we come back to those cancer-patients..here..now..today..
Do you mean they should bring in legalisation the same way they introduced Rogernomics, Polish? I’d rather they were more open about it. Cunliffe seems to have shut the door by saying it is Labour’s policy to not decriminalise, rather than it is not Labour’s policy to decriminalise. I’d decided not to vote Labour before that anyway, so it’s all a bit moot for me.
Well said Karol, as part of the Government i fully expect the Green Party will attempt to find the ‘numbers’ from across all parties in the Parliament for the decriminalization of Marijuana,
If such an exercise proves to have ‘the numbers’ then i would expect Legislation to ensue, as Lousia Wall showed in the present Parliament ‘contentious social issues’ when cross-party support is sought beforhand can become a simple matter of course…
“phillip you have been played by Gower, 3 News and the NZ Herald – it’s all a beat up, don’t get sucked into their wedge games, aimed at undermining a potential Labour-Greens alliance”.
Thanks for saying it karol. I was just about to trawl through yesterday’s statements re the dope and put it up for phillip.
(And phillip, I have to say, the attention you place on Metiria’s leather jacket is heading in the direction of OTT Comrade. Her choice of clothing has become a sticking point for you. It’s put me in mind of the Chills song despite the affection shown towards the item of clothing in that song)
karol, back to your talk, last night, about the Tova O Brien “cracks” piece: It has been interesting to watch how she has been moulded into a “political reporter”. I remember her many years ago as a host on Radio Active’s Breakfast show when she was literally been shown the ropes of news reading by the politically aware and well informed Liam Luff. She often had trouble with the pronunciation of international and local politicians and leaders, mainly because she had never heard of them. Fair play she was young, green and learning but it seemed there was no connection with the political and social history of her own country. Interesting the changes a few short years make……….
And yes, I do remember Gower’s “take” on Cunliffe becoming leader of the NZLP: the attention on the portrait on the wall and the residence in Herne Bay. Irrelevant stuff. Interesting point that Anne made about the Cunliffe portrait too and how it was a gift from an artist with an intellectual disability. Gower couldn’t have got it more wrong.
Bomber also made reference to Gower’s questions in his report on the conference – though I find Bradbury’s sentence structure a little confusing:
Cunliffe was relaxed, made off the cuff jokes during the speech and managed to persuasively bat away any questions the media scrum tried to put to him on issues he had little interest in focusing on. Patrick Gower kept asking questions about cannabis reform after it was brought up with the Greens, Cunliffe’s best line when asked by Paddy to offer an opinion on Obama saying alcohol was less harmful than cannabis was to say, “I think Obama has more experience on that than me’.
Headlines that Lie: Labour has no intention of backing cannabis policy, so says the headline in today’s Herald online in an obvious and pathetically useless attempt by that rag to create division where there is none,
David Cunliffe’s real stance on the decriminalization of cannabis if a Bill comes befor the Parliament seeking this, Labour will treat the matter as a conscience vote so it’s MP’s will be free to vote for or against decriminalization…
For f**ks sake, what is dishonest about Mets reported comments on decriminalization, the Green Party has a policy of doing just that,
In Government i fully expect the Green Party will put forward a Bill at some stage in the electoral cycle that would decriminalize cannabis,
Befor this occurs tho i would suggest that like Louisa Wall on the conscience vote which saw same sex marraige pass into law an attempt will be made to gain support from individual MP’s across the Parliament,
It is still a democracy Phillip,so we need a majority to make decriminalization happen and your abuse of Metiria Turei is childish and unhelpful…
.,phil it took along time for gay rights to become mainstream.
A change of govt is the best way to advance the cause.
Most university educated MPs will have tried and regularly used marajuana while at University.
I worked on student flats for 15 years less than 25% of those flats were marajuana free ,those students are Now our leaders National labour MPs.
I reckon marijuana decriminalisation IS mainstream. Pollies are always conservatives on these matters though, as the 30% (?) or so who remain against it are a very powerful and reliable voting block.
phillip ure
What’s the matter? Got a fish finger stuck in your throat and now you’re all scratchy and bitey?
Where is the phillip u of yore with an overview who highlights the important factors in the debate?
Well phillip u you make a strong case. Just make sure that you always state what you are talking about – it doesn’t confuse people (me) then. If you don’t rant against Labour or politicians in general and just press for positive moves for the good reasons you state then you’re words will hit the target, they must. Which I agreewith and lots do, is one for aiming at.
Anyone else this morning feeling warm, comforted, even dare I say it loved by the sight of a committed, intelligent, slightly emotional, vulnerable even, tempered to a finely honed sense of deep and historically-proven values by the insidious forces of satanic personal attack who looks poised to offer a stark contrast to the mammon-based PR-focused plastic and shallow moneychanger front for oppression and greed and usher in the end of the era of middling, muddling, systemic passive-aggressive cruel and abusive torture of the most innocent and already-downtrodden victims and any individual who dares to propose supporting them? Good-oh, same here.
You mean a damn good double in the speeches of both David Cunliffe and Metiria Turei on Monday and Sunday,
Definitely!!! two big steps in the right direction and while i might have a moan occasionally about how far up into th middle class these programs are targeted i am eyes open enough to realize that to implement such that middle class has to be taken into the fold to gain electoral support…
I can see how the “middle class welfare” meme might stick in the craw. Got to resist those divide & rule tactics. Universality would be better, but until we see the messes that NACT have swept under the rug while they’ve had charge of the account books, its best not to commit too far as yet.
Parsupial, +1, totally agree, and where there is a perceived or real division in policy ‘we all’ should try and set aside our ‘tribal affiliations’ in favor of discussing the ways and means of finding a compromise solution that both parties members and supporters can accept…
Although I guess this is preaching to the converted, this is a nice little summary of research that shows the trickledown approach to boosting wealth for all is a failed theory. The problem is of course overturning the theory, it’s so ingrained in the general population.
The trickle-down approach has been bad economics. Not only has it failed to deliver on its own terms but it has actively damaged the health of our economy, society and political system. It has supported growing inequality which, rather than boosting economic performance, has deflated it. The UK grew more when we were a more equal country during the post-war, pre-Thatcher era than after. It’s damaging social effects are also mounting. High levels of inequality are increasingly seen as harmful to individual well-being and health, social cohesion and social mobility.
Obama’s attack on trickle-down economics, echoed by Labour Leader Ed Miliband offered hope that our leaders are finally engaging in the possibility of dethroning this damaging philosophy but the recent response to a potential increase in income tax shows that the theory still festers. We must continue to counter an approach that has created a tide of inequality that lifts up the yachts while leaving the rest of us paddling harder. By pulling the rug out from under trickle-down economics other damaging myths can be exposed, such as the argument for high executive pay.
I’ve been thinking lately that we need a maximum income of about $100,000 per year with anything over that to be taxed at 100%.
Combined with a decent UBI this will correct the present massive inequality that’s tearing our society apart.
Considering that this policy would be implemented after banning all foreign ownership it shouldn’t be too hard to return community assets that have been sold off back to the community.
+1 mirvox.
All the corporate welfar Nactional has handed out in tax cits direct lump sums and tax cuts for the well off have only lead to increased poverty especially of those who can’t vote. Children.
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Just missed an item on National Radio must have been first up between 9:10 and 9:30 about outsourcing services to a Perth Company. I think the name of the company was Strike Trust or something similar.
Cannot find anything on RNZ about the item can anyone point me to what the item was about?
Thanks
It is an odd idea, where we contract in an Aussie company to find New Zealand jobs for people on a sickness or disability benefit, and if that person is still in the job a year later the Aussie company get paid $2500.
Hard to see how it works as a business model unless there is a massive chunk of the equation missing, and I strongly suspect there are hidden fees attached to this policy that have not been shared.
Has anyone got details on the company eg. name etc and why it is being run as a trust in NZ?
It is an odd idea, where we contract in an Aussie company to find New Zealand jobs for people on a sickness or disability benefit, and if that person is still in the job a year later the Aussie company get paid $2500.
‘the trust’ you mention is a NZ operation, that was interviewed, and apparently they chose not to apply for the programme as they do not believe there is a way to make it financially viable for them as they did not have a suitable employment network
Xox
Just heard Kathryn on RNZ discussing the privatisation of MSD for placing solo parents and mentally compromised people into work. For a large fee of course. This is another nail in the coffin of public service provision, just like jails etc. More corporate hand over. Despicable that RNZ doesn’t even question the injustice to our public service.
i think/fear that labour have had a rush of blood to the head..
..following the ‘success’ of their american-styling leadership campaign..
..and are planning to subject us to a year-long american-styling election campaign..?
..(shudder..!..)
..i think this whole speech/strategy was ham-fisted..(excuse the non-vegan metaphor..)
..all cunnliffe need to do yesterday..
..was not to release any detailed-policy..
..but to speak directly to the unease felt my many (both left..and nats with a heart..)..
..of/at our current poverty/inequality..
..all cunnliffe needed to do was to speak to those concerns..
..and to promise that a lab/grn govt will be focused on righting those inequities..
..that..and promising to clean up the waterways..
..would have been enough..
..when pressed for policy-detail..cunnliffe answers..
‘..this is all being worked on..everything is on the table..
..we have to rethink how we are running our society..clearly we have some serious problems..ansd a lab/grn govt etc etc..an uncaring key-govt. etc etc..
..and our overall plan will be released at the beginning of the election-campaign..’
…why didn’t cunnliffe just keep it simple like that..?
..why the (un-needed..and instantly attacked) policy-ejaculation..?
..and as for the cannabis issue..?
..all cunnliffe had to say is that ‘we are looking at fast-moving developments internationally..
..and will release a clear policy in that pre-election policy-release..
…why didn’t he leave that door open..?
..and as a p.s..could someone tell me why labour are unable to even think about..let alone countenance as a possibility..let alone argue..
..the logic/rationalities of the colorado-model..?
..and if doubting the public mood on this..go read the comments-thread on that stuff piece from the other day..(highlighted in general debate thread a few days ago..)
..a long comment-list..
..95% arguing for/demanding an end to prohibition..
Phillip, stop f**king lying, read the article i alluded to above in the Herald online, David Cunliffe has said that Labour as a party does not intend to decriminalize, BUT, if the issue comes befor the Parliament He will make it a matter of a conscience vote for Labour MP’s,
i have now heard David Cunliffe say exactly that on RadioNZ national, TV3news, and He has been quoted thus in various newspapers,
By the sound of you, you need a good puff on the ‘medicinal’…
“David Cunliffe has said that Labour as a party does not intend to decriminalize, BUT, if the issue comes befor the Parliament He will make it a matter of a conscience vote for Labour MP’s,”
Another smart move from Labour. Let the GP bring it up, but let Labour support it too without having to lead the way.
Maybe we should start keeping a list of the ways in which L and the GP are going to be in a mutually beneficial relationship.
“all Cunnliffe need to do yesterday was not to release any detailed-policy”
If he had done that Phillip, then all we would be hearing is how Labour has no policy ideas
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No offence Phillip, and if you want to tell me to f-off and mind my own business that is your right. But may I pass on some advice I have been given (and given more than once.)
Maybe some time away from the keyboard today would help the headspace. Get out in the sunshine and look for some of the good things that are still out there.
I know all too well that battling the ills of the world without taking a regular break now and again is unnecessarily destructive to objectivity. Less critical items can artificially inflate their importance. It becomes increasingly difficult to stay focused on the wider issues. In that environment, the human mind has a tendency to foment stress.
When looking for answers look to nature, find a quiet spot and think on the question most bothering you. I guarantee the answer is not sitting in the keyboard.
thanks Polish Pride,
on-line debate can get out of control at the best of times and with politics in particular it is such a simple thing to forget that people are at the other end. We need to look out for each other on-line as we do in real life. I recently took a big dose of my own advice (including a prolonged break from the FB) and must say I am glad I did. Reflection is an important part of any step forward
Have to say, i’m a little envious of the promised banquet, as I am sick of making my own food (The single people out there will understand. ) Enjoy the visit.
Not unsurprisingly serious questions are being raised about the new outsourced “mental health employment services” that MSD and WINZ have contracted out to various “service providers” like the Perth based ‘APM Workcare’, New Zealand based ‘Workwise’ and a few others.
Remember this story from 22 January from Simon Collins, in the ‘New Zealand Herald’, titled “Oz firm paid to find jobs for Kiwis”:
This morning Kathryn Ryan on Radio NZ National had Sharon Wilson-Davis, CEO of the STRIVE Community Trust, and Sandra Kirikiri from the Ministry of Social Development (Director of Welfare Reform) answer some good questions on the risks, the feasibility and other matters. Here is the link to the available audio track:
Sharon Wilson-Davis was once also a member on the controversial ‘Welfare Working Group’, that Paula Bennett had hand-picked to discuss getting more persons (also those sick and disabled) into work, as part of fundamental, indeed radical to draconian welfare reforms, of which the last major ones have been implemented since July 2013. There is some info on Sharon (and her ‘Strive Community Trust’) here:
Here is also an older article in the New Zealand Herald from 11 March 2011, where she answers to strong criticism from Sue Bradford and others, that was directed at the ‘Welfare Working Group’ and their aims:
I listened to the interviews that Kathryn Ryan conducted a bit after 09 am today, 28 Jan. 2014, and I was getting even more worried after hearing Sharon admit what very serious risks there are running such an “experiment” with often very vulnerable persons, who may have all kinds of health conditions and issues, that has left them disabled and disadvantaged to compete with “fit” and “healthy” people. Sandra Kirikiri from MSD was apparently a bit short for answers and explanations, and she basically admitted, it is just a “trial”, and it needs to be seen, how it will work. The pressures seem to be on the service deliverers to get persons into jobs, and if they do not meet a high enough success rate, they will run a loss. That fear they must have, running their “businesses”, will simply mean, they will put pressures on the “clients” referred to them, which will put especially mentally ill in very dangerous situations, fearing losing their benefit and else, should they not accept any kind of “ordinary” job on the open marked, that is deemed “suitable” by WINZ case managers, and by the staff working for the providers.
I know that there is an OIA before MSD, asking for more info on all this, and it should be revealing yet more.
This is truly worrying, and MSD are conducting “experiments” with “clients” from high risk groups. Remember ATOS and the Department of Work and Pensions in the UK, I’d say. It is time to stop such risky “experiments”, before any person suffers serious consequences. But we will likely not hear about it, as the providers may not be covered by the Official Information Act.
Shame on this government, shame on Paula Bennett, I can only say!
This whole issue is ideologically driven. The trouble is we have to wait a generation or two before anyone will accept the proof that such acts are not working, but by then, such institutional changes are inground, and bloody hard to reverse.
Why are we paying overseas institutions to run New Zealand institutions? Bad enough when we hire overseas consultants to confirm what we already know. To me this is an appalling waste of money, and if what we suspect is true, an absurd treatment of humanity.
I still think Helen Clark’s dismantling of the mental health hospitals, whereby a lot of people were housed in collective units run by the DHB’s has not been entirely successful. Yes for some living out in the community has been a success, but now we are about to see the supports kicked out from under them.
@Xtasy and philj….agreed privatising services to the most vulnerable is not the way to go…it just means the NACT Bankster Govt ….. of Key and Joyce and pawn poodle Paula Bennett …..is less acountable to the most vulnerable New Zealanders…while screwing them …It is despicable!
…… In the meantime bankster trader ‘custodians’ of New Zealand cream off what they can by selling State Assets and building multi billion dollar privatised toll motorways which will benefit them, their Trust funds and their ‘Chosen’ Bankster overseas mates
1.) All NACT proposed super motorways should be AXED!( we dont need them and they will be an environmental sore)
2.) …the billions saved should be used by the New Zealand Labour /Green government to support the most vulnerable….. mentally and physically disabled and beneficiaries ( this is the Christian way! ….to look after the most vulnerable in society!)
3.) the money saved from the unwanted super motorways costing billions ….can then also be spent on upgrading NZ State free education to a very high quality …..free university education, free polytech education, free apprenticeships, free internships for NEW ZEALANDERS!
….lets look after New Zealanders instead of treating them like delinquents in their own country!!!!
4.).there should be no young New Zealander or any New Zealander left untrained and without meaningful work….this is the job of the NEW ZEALAND government and not the ‘Chosen’ Bankster private companies!!!( from overseas)
Let us ALL take back New Zealand for New Zealanders!
Interesting. The damned economy might pick up and there will be less unemployment which will bugger up the hitherto stable settings of our inflation! Am I on Planet Key I ask? And there is No Answer.
Staff shortage looming for employers
Updated at 7:12 am today The New Zealand economy has soaked up any spare capacity and will be moving into a period of excess demand this year, meaning it could get tougher for employers to get workers, an economist says.
The Bank of New Zealand-Business New Zealand Performance of Services Index (PSI), was up more than a point at 57.5 in December, compared with 56.4 in November. A reading about 50 indicates expansion.
During the past year, the PSI averaged 55.8, compared with 53.9 in 2012.
All five main sub-indices were in expansion last month, including new orders and business, activity and sales, and employment.
Bank of New Zealand (BNZ) economist Craig Ebert said the economy was picking up and becoming much more generalised. “It really tells us that growth is not just good, it’s getting quite strong and it’s going to get stronger,” Mr Ebert said.
“The issue we see ahead of us is how the economy is going to be able to cope with that in terms of supply.
“Overall I think there will be some pressure coming from the demand side of the economy which will start to lift some of those inflation measures over the next 12 to 24 months.”
The economy had soaked up any spare capacity it had during the past few years and if the growth indicators were correct, then the economy would be moving into period of excess demand as soon as this year.
That equated to rising inflation and, in turn, to capacity constraints, including in the labour market, Mr Ebert said.
“It may, for example, turn out that firms find it more difficult to secure staff.”
The property and business category of the index nudged up to 57.5 in December, from 57.4 in November, which the BNZ said showed little sign the property market had fallen into a hole since the Reserve Bank introduced lending restrictions.
The retail category hit 74.5 points which, although not adjusted for seasonal effects, was 13.5 points above December 2012.
Its obvious really, growth is good to a point…lets face it I stopped growing, as did you…if we kept growing the doors would not fit and we would crush the seats…or perhaps our size would have killed us. Once we had grown enough, well that was enough. Wish all the idiots out there whose answer to the economy is “growth” understood this, it cant go on for ever…(and in reality it has stopped except on bankers ledgers of imagined money).
Recovery???? Dont you mean the blip in the graph that makes the short term appear better (as opposed to the constant “real” decline for the last 30 years).
no why should he talk to Patrick Gower and take this doggie’s shit? ….after all David Cunliffe is the next 2014 leader of New Zealand!……..eat your heart out Patrick Gower!
he loved it when they listened to kiwipower or whatever the fuck it was called. No real for it though. looks like the markets over the last 30 yrs have delivered lower than cost power prices.
why wouldn’t he interact with journalists unless he’s worried they’ll see the pitfalls of this rubbish policy?
1. It was a standup in the hall outside the Caucus room.
2. Cunliffe spent 9 minutes answering questions on the scheme.
3. He has a caucus meeting to go to.
4. He left politely and said he had to go to the meeting.
I would expect this sort of spin from a RWNJ but not a reporter.
Gower is probably sore about the response that Cunliffe gave him last night that made it to air on TV3 (don’t usually watch that crappy 3news – it is full of bias – but wanted to see the framing).
A loaded question was posed by Gower about poor people spending the $60 on tobacco & alcohol.
Response from Cunliffe [not verbatim but can be checked on the TV3 Website] – ‘People wouldn’t want me in their houses telling them what to spend their money on and you [Gower] would be the first to call us a ‘Nanny State’ if we did’
I was chuckling about that for the rest of the evening.
The response was spot on – quick and appropriate
Cunliffe ‘can’t think on his feet’ is nonsense – and don’t all you right-wingers know it.
Ha! Well the same comments as above applies. If his tweet was about yesterday, then most of the time Gower kept asking questions about cannabis. He seemed more interested in that than asking questions about the Best Start policy.
Edit: Actually – it’s confusing. In Gower’s twitter stream, it says the tweet was made 3 hours ago. If you roll over the 3 hours, it says 27 Jan 1.37pm
Edit#2: that 27 Jan time is US Pacific Time. Checked it re one of my retweets to @patrickgowernz within the last couple of hours.
He did not ‘just walk off’ He explained quite clearly that he had a caucus meeting and he had to leave.
Sorry to spoil the great story you were trying to concoct.
David Cunliffe has just walked off on a press conference refusing to answer questions about the baby bonus
Gower is trying to be Ace Cub reporter. And there’s a battle of wills going on between him and Cunliffe. Yesterday, Gower dominated a lot of the question time, with mainly only Corrin Dann getting a question in.
If you look at the video of today’s standup, Gower keeps trying to ask questions, but Cunliffe ignores him and takes questions from others. At one point, Cunliffe turns away from Gower. As a teacher I’d pretty much do the same if someone in the class kept trying to dominate the discussion. The rest of the journos are really polite and let other journos ask some questions, but Gower was always trying to be in there hogging the questions.
Yesterday, as soon as the speech was over, before Cunliffe had left the front of the hall, Gower was up the front of the hall in front of the camera, with the camera lights on him. For Gower, it’s always “Me, Me, pick Me”.
Gower will probably become increasingly desperate as Cunliffe’s fortunes rise. After Gower’s failed attempt to push Cunliffe from Labour leadership contention, he must now be worried about his future career.
If his career is his main focus, Gower would be better trying to be a really good journalist, rather than a faux-based jonolist.
The baby bonus I think was a Muldoon term for something Labour instigated to help parents.
Why would Cunliffe play to the plastic jonolists second life games?
Bob Jones has been saying that sort of stuff for years. He once said he’d rather hire someone with a history degree than an MBA, on the basis that they would have a wider view of the world. In those days he was attacking economics, before Randian repeaters took over the faculties. Now he’s attacking scientists, in line with every other fool who doesn’t want to be responsible for global warming. All the while, he’s never stopped attacking workers, women, Maori,……..
BM wipe your bum.
and who saw Steven Joyce on the teevee last night. The look on his dial shows that he knows the game is up.
Byeeee to you and your crowd a.s.a.p.
Bob Jones?? daughter was on the Dole for years she was staying in some run down flat in Dunedin she was suffering from depression very understanable.
Bob Jones would come and visit her in disguise so no one would recognise him.
They give themselves the right to delve into the lives of others, the comfortably off that is. Actually I believe many of the c-o have quite serious mental problems, brought on by feelings of inferiority because of the high demands for achievement and inter-sibling rivalry they experience.
Graeme Aitken, Dean of Education has some very helpful cautions about the Government plan to pay millions for teacher Leadership.
“Focus on social inequality will aid teachers
The education changes announced last week are welcome. They acknowledge teacher professionalism and their ability to lead change. They encourage networking and collaboration within and between schools. They offer attractive career prospects that have the potential to significantly raise the status of teachers and teaching.
They come, however, with some words of caution.
The Prime Minister commented on the “mountain of evidence” that the quality of teaching is “the biggest influence on kids’ achievement”. That is certainly so if we only consider in-school influences but the mountains are more like foothills when set against the Everest of research that shows that socio-economic status is the strongest predictor of achievement.
These changes will have limited impact if they are not accompanied by bold initiatives to address social inequality and poverty.”
Cameron Slater’s latest piece of vindictive nastiness has Greymouth in an uproar. This family has lost four sons (including one killed at Pike River) and they don’t need this shit. Judd’s Mum is after Slater and I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes/
Cameron Slater has just written himself a never-ending debt of horror from the people of the west coast.
This is the second last time I will ever have anything to do with anything about the cunt. Probably just as well draft post was deleted. Worst person alive in NZ.
Tui Bromley seems to have done her job well – making sure that Slater’s reference to Helen Clark was shown up for the lie it was: “The ‘feral West Coasters’ label has been around since 2000, when former Prime Minister Helen Clark was speaking on National Radio at the height of the native timber logging debate, but her comments were taken out of context.
A transcript of the sentence in question shows that Ms Clark actually said: ‘Attitudes of some on the West Coast could be fairly feral’.”
The Greymouth Star is a very enjoyable read and Tui Bromley an entertaining journo. It is highly informative (more so than msm shit) and it has a history relating to this website too believe it or not. Pretty much every single person on the coast reads the local rags ahead of anything mainstream.
Imagine getting an entire region of 30,000 people calling for your blood.
He has received several death threats. What a surprise. What a fool. How ignorant he is. Nothing would surprise me from this point in relation to this issue. Keep it on your radar folks.
That’s the brilliance of the Right Wing leadership. Getting beneficiaries and those on the minimum wage to actually vote for them. The Left can barely do that some days.
The only thing that surprises me is that the Disqus comment service (according to one email that is what getting attacked) doesn’t handle DOS or DDOS attacks. It could be that it is his site as that seems like a more obvious single point of failure.
That he is getting attacked doesn’t surprise me at all.
hang on – who brought in the internet censorship law, where ISPs monitor automatically web traffic and send warning notices? And you still think solidly banning a website because of unpaid tax is laughably impossible?
I think clark overextended himself, and let gower’s crowd do a “funny” editorial on a labour mp (see karol above), but only a little bit.
Seems reasonable. If a company in NZ doesn’t pay it’s taxes it gets shutdown, usually via receivership but the how really isn’t the issue.
What Labour should be doing is saying that they’re going to re-write the tax laws from the ground up so that companies, especially multi-nationals, can’t dodge the taxes that they’re supposed to be paying.
Polish, qualify the view that Socialism is enslavement, if socialism frees someone from poverty using any means then it is hardly enslavement,
It is in fact Capitalism in it’s starkest form that is both inhuman and enslavement, look at the US at the moment, millions of unemployment benefits cancelled and no jobs, that’s the inhuman enslavement of people into total poverty in a land of plenty…
Under Socialism is the goal of the government low unemployment.
Are those who earn well faced with a higher tax to help support those less fortunate.
Is the less fortunate man given enough to live what someone else has determined to be a dignified life?
Does this man have dreams and aspirations that he perhaps cannot afford?
Is his best chance at having them to one day find a job and earn enough so that he can make them come true?
Is the generally accepted life in socialism Get an education, get a job, work until you are 65, then retire?
That is enslavement and is not a system designed to enable man to be happy
It is a system that man essentially has to continuously work for in order to survive. Or has to be reliant on the taxes of others given to him by the state
If the goal of unions was to lobby govt to enact policy to have the goal of the govt to steer society on a course that made human happiness and maximising time spent with friends and family the aim of society. What if the goal of unions was to free people from having to work.
you can earn enough to essentially break free of the enslavement of working under capitalism. It is harder to break free under socialism. The inhumanity of capitalism is in that whilst people can break free, others suffer terribly.
You think a man is free because socialism has taken him out of poverty…….?
I guess it depends on your definition of enslavement.
I watched David Cunliffe’s speech, then switched over to watch the Grammy’s, because of Lorde. She did well. But that pales when I see Pete died yesterday. As you say karol, a life well lived.
Him and Woody laid down the tracks which everyone followed. Thanks joe90, and Te Reo Putake.
Unsurprisingly his site is down so here’s the cache of Pete Seeger’s Statement to the Court prior to his 1961 sentencing for contempt of Congress.
“Thank you, your honor. After hearing myself talked about, pro and con, for three days, I am grateful for the chance to say a few unrestricted words.
First, I should like to thank my lawyer for his masterly presentation of my defense. He has worked over many long weeks and months, knowing that it is beyond my power to pay him adequately for his work. I believe that he, and great legal minds like Justice Hugo Black and Dr. Alexander Meiklejohn, have explained far better than I can why they believe the First Amendment gives an American citizen the right to refuse to speak upon occasion.
Secondly, I should like to state before this court, much as I did before Congressman Walter’s committee, my conviction that I have never in my life said, or supported, or sung anything in any way subversive of my country. Congressman Walter stated that he was investigating a conspiracy. I stated under oath that I had never done anything conspiratorial. If he doubted my word, why didn’t he even question it? Why didn’t he have me indicted for perjury? Because, I believe, even he knew that I was speaking the truth.
Some of my ancestors were religious dissenters who came to America over 300 years ago. Others were abolitionists in New England of the 1840’s and 50’s. I believe that in choosing my present course I do no dishonor to them, or to those who may come after me.
I am 42 years old, and count myself a very lucky man. I have a wife and three healthy children, and we live in a house we built with our own hands, on the banks of the beautiful Hudson River. For twenty years I have been singing folksongs of America and other lands to people everywhere. I am proud that I never refused to sing to any group of people because I might disagree with some of the ideas of some of the people listening to me. I have sung for rich and poor, for Americans of every possible political and religious opinion and persuasion, of every race, color, and creed.
The House committee wished to pillory me because it didn’t like some few of the many thousands of places I have sung for. Now it so happens that the specific song whose title was mentioned in this trial “Wasn’t That A Time” is one of my favorites. The song is apropos to this case. I wonder if I might have your permission to sing it here before I close?”
(At this point the judge refused to hear Pete Seeger sing.)
“Well, perhaps you will hear it some other time. A good song can only do good, and I am proud of the songs I have sung. I hope to be able to continue singing these songs for all who want to listen, Republicans, Democrats, and independents. Do I have the right to sing these songs? Do I have the right to sing them anywhere?”
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Thomas Cranmer writes – ———— An unruly mob in Albert Park has catapulted New Zealand into the global headlines with ugly images that may become iconic in the debate about the dangers of transgenderism. ———— Bravo Kellie-Jay Keen. She did the job that needed to be done. For all the ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections Global warming is melting the Arctic ice cap, and that’s having unforeseen effects on the world’s weather — even thousands of miles away from the North Pole. Some climate scientists have begun to link increasingly common heat waves in Europe to what is ...
Hot on the heels of the demotion of former police Minister Stuart Nash for breaching the Cabinet Manual, Radio New Zealand has revealed the close links between lobbyists and politicians- an area of New Zealand politics that is completely unregulated. The evidence in Guyon Espiner’s series Mate, Comrade, Brother, the ...
At the Auckland Transport board meeting today a series of papers really highlight the cost of sprawl. For the last few years, the Supporting Growth work has been looking at designing the strategic transport networks for future greenfield areas in the South, Northwest, North (around Dairy flat) and in Warkworth. ...
Hi,Today’s newsletter is something I’ve wanted to report for ages, but I have been waiting on a New Zealand judge to make a ruling. That ruling has been made — so here we go.Enjoy.A scene from Mister Organ.Two Police Officers Knock on My DoorOn November 4 last year, I was ...
Only three days after Nanaia Mahuta had dinner with China’s Foreign Minister, New Zealand’s intelligence chiefs were talking about state actors interfering in New Zealand politics and using ethnic communities here for espionage purposes. Neither GSCB Director (and new SIS director) Andrew Hampton nor acting SIS CEO Phil McKee ...
In what has been one of her most important diplomatic mission, Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta has opened the door for a visit to Beijing by Prime Minister Chris Hipkins later this year. Such a mission is regarded as vital with a new Prime Minister Li Qiang settling into office. ...
Saturday morning, we went to Albert Park.We were there to show support, to challenge words of demonisation.To repeat those words from Michèle A’Court:Making them sound “other” is a technique used by racists and homophobes to dehumanise whole groups of people who “aren’t like them”. If you dehumanise people, it is ...
Too Strong For The Law’s Web: But, if the USA is too big to punish, why isn’t the Russian Federation? Russia’s economy may be roughly the size of Italy’s, but it’s nuclear arsenal is more than capable of laying human civilisation to waste. Threatening to arrest Vladimir Putin - especially when ...
Nobody likes a fascist, except other fascist’s of course. Thankfully they were completely outnumbered in Auckland last Saturday when a supposed advocate for women’s rights, Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull aka Posie Parker, tried to give a public speech about how transgender people are worthy of persecution.You can understand why Parker and her ...
On Friday I sent out a newsletter called Posie Parker vs Transgender Rights to provide information about the visit to our shores of Ms Parker. I attempted to show there were multiple points of view but on balance my sympathies were strongly with the counter protest group standing up for ...
Brian Easton writes – Evaluating the recent crashes of Silicon Valley Bank in the US and Credit Suisse in Switzerland plus two other banks (perhaps more by the time you read this) needs to begin with a review of the inevitable instability in the financial sector. The financial sector ...
Oh, the irony. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull has made a career out of inciting public hostility against the trans community, only to find herself on the receiving end of public hostility at her Auckland rally. In a further case of karmic justice, the people who brought her into the country ended up ...
In 1972, British soldiers tortured a false confession out of Liam Holden, resulting in him being given Britain's last death sentence. While it was commuted to life imprisonment, Holden was wrongly imprisoned for 17 years. Now, the courts have finally recognised that it was torture: In 1973 Liam Holden ...
Taxpayers are not only subsidising already-very-profitable private banks via the cheap ‘Funding For Lending’ loans that helped pumped up house prices in 2021, but are also paying the banks upwards of $2 billion a year in interest for cash kept with the Reserve Bank. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: ...
This weekend saw a showdown between two tribes of contemporary gender politics: those in favour of progressing transgender rights versus women wishing to defend their spaces. It’s a debate with huge passion, outrage and consequences. The figure at the centre of the clash was the British “trans-exclusionary radical feminist” Posie ...
Tomorrow the Auckland Transport board meet again. Here are some of the highlights from their board papers. The open session starts at 9am and can be watched on this Teams link. Closed Session The closed session is typically where the most interesting items are discussed. Items for Approval ...
Mutual Support: Democracy in New Zealand will not be saved by pitting Pakeha against Māori, but by joining together with every other citizen who still understands the meaning of working together to build something good that will last. Call that co-governance if you like, or call it something else – ...
Imagine being a great big business success enjoying your lavish Waiheke island property with infinity pool and ballroom and riparian rights and heli-pad. Sweeeet. But imagine, also, having to take orders from some little bureaucratic oik about how often you can land a chopper on it.I can’t, really, but it ...
Hi,New Zealand’s Life megachurch has confirmed to Webworm it was paid $10,000 by Hillsong for investigating Brian Houston’s sexual misconduct allegations.Following Webworm publishing this piece about the $10,000 payment, Life’s Corporate Communications Manager Phil Irons has confirmed what it was for:Paul [de Jong] was engaged by Hillsong to assist in ...
A chronological listing of news articles posted on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Mar 19, 2023 thru Sat, Mar 25, 2023. Story of the Week Q&A: IPCC wraps up its most in-depth assessment of climate change The final part of the world’s most comprehensive assessment of ...
by Daphna Whitmore I thought the #LetWomenSpeak meeting would be a good time to talk about free speech and why it is important for the left. Then the mob stampeded the open-air gathering and no one got to speak. Here’s what I was had prepared. Today I want to talk ...
Following decades of work by the Green Party alongside the organics sector, people will finally be able to be confident that products labelled organic have met standards. ...
The Green Party supports immediate Government action to close the pay gap as called for in an open letter released today by the Human Rights Commission and 50 other organisations. ...
The Green Party is today welcoming the release of the Government’s waste strategy, but says it has a big gap without action on the container return scheme for beverage containers. ...
The Government’s decision to introduce ‘mass arrivals’ legislation goes against the values we all share of Aotearoa as a place where all people are treated fairly, the Green Party says. ...
MINISTER DAVIDSON MUST RESIGN AFTER 'VIOLENCE' COMMENTS Marama Davidson should stand down as ‘Minister for the Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence’ for the clear and outrageous statement she made at the Posie Parker protest that ‘white straight men’ are the cause of violence. Her offensive, racist, and sexist remarks ...
In response to Newshub and Amelia Wade’s obvious and ham-fisted attempt at a typical and predicted political hit job. As any politically aware reporter would know, any Cabinet subcommittee has a duty and obligation as a part of any government to respond to any UN declaration, in this case ...
Good afternoon. Thank you for the invitation to speak with you today and in your busy lives turning up to this meeting. Forty five years ago, in Howick, often described as racist, and where few Maori lived because it had been a ‘Fencible’ settlement at the time of the Anglo-Maori ...
The Green Party has marked the National Party’s new education policy and given it a fail, especially for its failure to address the underlying drivers of school performance. ...
“This is it; 2023 will be the last opportunity New Zealand has to get a government that will confront the climate emergency with the urgency it demands,” says the Green Party’s co-leader and climate change spokesperson, James Shaw. ...
Political parties that want to negotiate with the Green Party must come to the table with much faster, bolder climate action, co-leaders James Shaw and Marama Davidson emphasised in their State of the Planet speech today. ...
Political parties that want to negotiate with the Green Party after the election must come to the table with much faster, bolder climate action, co-leaders James Shaw and Marama Davidson emphasised today. ...
You will never truly understand, from the pictures you’ve seen in the newspapers or on the six o-clock news, the sheer scale of the devastation wrought by Cyclone Gabrielle. ...
We’re boosting incomes and helping ease cost of living pressures on Kiwis through a range of bread and butter support measures that will see pensioners, students, families, and those on main benefits better off from the start of next month. ...
The error Labour Ministers made by stopping work on a beverage container return scheme will be reversed by the Greens at the earliest opportunity as part of the next Government. ...
“Cabinet needs to do better - and today has shown exactly why we need Green Ministers in cabinet, so we can prioritise action to cut climate pollution and support people to make ends meet,” says Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson. ...
Biggest increase in food prices for over three decades shows the need for an excess profit tax on corporations to help people put food on the table. ...
Minister for Pacific Peoples Barbara Edmonds has announced the 2023 Pacific Language week series, highlighting the need to revitalise and sustain languages for future generations. “Pacific languages are a cornerstone of our health, wellbeing and identity as Pacific peoples. When our languages are spoken, heard and celebrated, our communities thrive,” ...
880,000 pensioners to get a boost to Super, including 5000 veterans 52,000 students to see a bump in allowance or loan living costs Approximately 223,000 workers to receive a wage rise as a result of the minimum wage increasing to $22.70 8,000 community nurses to receive pay increase of up ...
Over 8000 community nurses will start receiving well-deserved pay rises of up to 15 percent over the next month as a Government initiative worth $200 million a year kicks in, says Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall. “The Government is committed to ensuring nurses are paid fairly and will receive ...
Tākiri mai ana te ata Ki runga o ngākau mārohirohi Kōrihi ana te manu kaupapa Ka ao, ka ao, ka awatea Tihei mauri ora Let the dawn break On the hearts and minds of those who stand resolute As the bird of action sings, it welcomes the dawn of a ...
The Government is introducing a scheme which will lift incomes for artists, support them beyond the current spike in cost of living and ensure they are properly recognised for their contribution to New Zealand’s economy and culture. “In line with New Zealand’s Free Trade Agreement with the UK, last ...
New Zealand is welcoming a decision by the United Nations General Assembly to ask the International Court of Justice to consider countries’ international legal obligations on climate change. The United Nations has voted unanimously to adopt a resolution led by Vanuatu to ask the ICJ for an advisory opinion on ...
More Police officers are being deployed to the frontline with the graduation of 59 new constables from the Royal New Zealand Police College today. “The graduation for recruit wing 364 was my first since becoming Police Minister last week,” Ginny Andersen said. “It was a real honour. I want to ...
Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta met with Vanuatu Foreign Minister Jotham Napat in Port Vila, today, signing a new Statement of Partnership — Aotearoa New Zealand’s first with Vanuatu. “The Mauri Statement of Partnership is a joint expression of the values, priorities and principles that will guide the Aotearoa New Zealand–Vanuatu relationship into ...
The Government has passed new legislation amending the Fire and Emergency New Zealand (FENZ) levy regime, ensuring the best balance between a fair and cost effective funding model. The Fire and Emergency New Zealand (Levy) Amendment Bill makes changes to the existing law to: charge the levy on contracts of ...
The Government has passed the Organic Products and Production Bill through its third reading today in Parliament helping New Zealand’s organic sector to grow and lift export revenue. “The Organic Products and Production Bill will introduce robust and practical regulation to give businesses the certainty they need to continue to ...
The Digital Identity Services Trust Framework Bill, which will make it easier for New Zealanders to safely prove who they are digitally has passed its third and final reading today. “We know New Zealanders want control over their identity information and how it’s used by the companies and services they ...
The full Cyclone Gabrielle Recovery Taskforce has met formally for the first time as work continues to help the regions recover and rebuild from Cyclone Gabrielle. The Taskforce, which includes representatives from business, local government, iwi and unions, covers all regions affected by the January and February floods and cyclone. ...
Changes have been made to legislation to give subcontractors the confidence they will be paid the retention money they are owed should the head contractor’s business fail, Minister for Building and Construction Megan Woods announced today. “These changes passed in the Construction Contracts (Retention Money) Amendment Act safeguard subcontractors who ...
Transport Minister Michael Wood has unveiled five scenarios for one of the most significant city-shaping projects for Tāmaki Makaurau in coming decades, the additional Waitematā Harbour crossing. “Aucklanders and businesses have made it clear that the biggest barriers to the success of Auckland is persistent congestion and after years of ...
The Government has passed new legislation that ensures New Zealand’s civil aviation rules are fit for purpose in the 21st century, Associate Transport Minister Kiri Allan says. The Civil Aviation Bill repeals and replaces the Civil Aviation Act 1990 and the Airport Authorities Act 1966 with a single modern law ...
A Bill aimed at helping to reduce delays in the coronial jurisdiction passed its third reading today. The Coroners Amendment Bill, amongst other things, will establish new coronial positions, known as Associate Coroners, who will be able to perform most of the functions, powers, and duties of Coroners. The new ...
The Prime Minister has asked the Cabinet Secretary to conduct a review into communications between Stuart Nash and his donors. The review will take place over the next two months. The review will look at whether there have been any other breaches of cabinet collective responsibility or confidentiality, or whether ...
The new Recovery Visa to help bring in additional migrant workers to support cyclone and flooding recovery has attracted over 600 successful applicants within its first month. “The Government is moving quickly to support businesses bring in the workers needed to recover from Cyclone Gabrielle and the Auckland floods,” Michael ...
Bills to ensure non-teaching employees and contractors at schools, and unlicensed childcare services like mall crèches are vetted by police, and provide safeguards for school board appointments have passed their first reading today. The Education and Training Amendment Bill (No. 3) and the Regulatory Systems (Education) Amendment Bill have now ...
Wānanga will gain increased flexibility and autonomy that recognises the unique role they fill in the tertiary education sector, Associate Minister of Education Kelvin Davis has announced. The Education and Training Amendment Bill (No.3), that had its first reading today, proposes a new Wānanga enabling framework for the three current ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta will travel to Vanuatu today, announcing that Aotearoa New Zealand will provide further relief and recovery assistance there, following the recent destruction caused by Cyclones Judy and Kevin. While in Vanuatu, Minister Mahuta will meet with Vanuatu Acting Prime Minister Sato Kilman, Foreign Minister Jotham ...
The Government is backing Police and making communities safer with the roll-out of state-of-the-art tools and training to frontline staff, Police Minister Ginny Andersen said today. “Frontline staff face high-risk situations daily as they increasingly respond to sophisticated organised crime, gang-violence and the availability of illegal firearms,” Ginny Andersen said. ...
The Government has provided Police with more tools to crack down on gang offending with the passing of new legislation today which will further improve public safety, Justice Minister Kiri Allan says. The Criminal Activity Intervention Legislation Bill amends existing law to: create new targeted warrant and additional search powers ...
The Government today announced far-reaching changes to the way we make, use, recycle and dispose of waste, ushering in a new era for New Zealand’s waste system. The changes will ensure that where waste is recycled, for instance by households at the kerbside, it is less likely to be contaminated ...
New legislation passed by the Government today will make it harder for gangs and their leaders to benefit financially from crime that causes considerable harm in our communities, Minister of Justice Kiri Allan says. Since the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act 2009 came into effect police have been highly successful in ...
This evening I have advised the Governor-General to dismiss Stuart Nash from all his ministerial portfolios. Late this afternoon I was made aware by a news outlet of an email Stuart Nash sent in March 2020 to two contacts regarding a commercial rent relief package that Cabinet had considered. In ...
Legislation to enable more build-to-rent developments has passed its third reading in Parliament, so this type of rental will be able to claim interest deductibility in perpetuity where it meets the requirements. Housing Minister Dr Megan Woods, says the changes will help unlock the potential of the build-to-rent sector and ...
A law passed by Parliament today exempts employers from paying fringe benefit tax on certain low emission commuting options they provide or subsidise for their staff. “Many employers already subsidise the commuting costs of their staff, for instance by providing car parks,” Environment Minister David Parker said. “This move supports ...
Today marks the 40th anniversary of Closer Economic Relations (CER), our gold standard free trade agreement between New Zealand and Australia. “CER was a world-leading agreement in 1983, is still world-renowned today and is emblematic of both our countries’ commitment to free trade. The WTO has called it the world’s ...
The Government is making procedural changes to the Immigration Act to ensure that 2013 amendments operate as Parliament intended. The Government is also introducing a new community management approach for asylum seekers. “While it’s unlikely we’ll experience a mass arrival due to our remote positioning, there is no doubt New ...
The Government welcomes progress on public sector pay adjustment (PSPA) agreements, and the release of the updated public service pay guidance by the Public Service Commission today, Minister for the Public Service Andrew Little says. “More than a dozen collective agreements are now settled in the public service, Crown Agents, ...
The Government has introduced the Severe Weather Emergency Recovery Legislation Bill to further support the recovery and rebuild from the recent severe weather events in the North Island. “We know from our experiences following the Canterbury and Kaikōura earthquakes that it will take some time before we completely understand the ...
Further assistance is now available to businesses impacted by Cyclone Gabrielle, with Customs able to offer payment plans and to remit late-payments, Customs Minister Meka Whaitiri has announced. “This is part of the Government’s ongoing commitment to assist economic recovery in the regions,” Meka Whaitiri said. “Cabinet has approved the ...
More than 41,000 sole parent families will be better off with a median gain of $20 a week Law change estimated to help lift up to 14,000 children out of poverty Child support payments will be passed on directly to people receiving a sole parent rate of main benefit, making ...
A major investment by Government-owned New Zealand Green Investment Finance towards electrifying the public bus fleet is being welcomed by Climate Change Minister James Shaw. “Today’s announcement that NZGIF has signed a $50 million financing deal with Kinetic, the biggest bus operator in Australasia, to further decarbonise public transport is ...
A world-leading payments system is expected to provide a significant cash flow boost for Kiwi innovators, Minister of Research, Science, and Innovation Ayesha Verrall says. Announcing that applications for ‘in-year’ payments of the Research and Development Tax Incentive (RDTI) were open, Ayesha Verrall said it represented a win for businesses ...
Minister of Transport Michael Wood joined crowds of keen cyclists and walkers this morning to celebrate the completion of the Te Awa shared path in Hamilton. “The Government is upgrading New Zealand’s transport system to make it safer, greener, and more efficient for now and future generations to come,” Michael ...
Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Minister Andrew Little has delivered the Crown apology to Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa Tāmaki nui-a-Rua for its historic breaches of Te Tiriti of Waitangi today. The ceremony was held at Queen Elizabeth Park in Masterton, hosted by Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa Tāmaki nui-a-Rua, with several hundred ...
Minister of Foreign Affairs Nanaia Mahuta has concluded her visit to China, the first by a New Zealand Foreign Minister since 2018. The Minister met her counterpart, newly appointed State Councilor and Minister of Foreign Affairs, Qin Gang, who also hosted a working dinner. This was the first engagement between the two ...
World-class satellite positioning services that will support much safer search and rescue, boost precision farming, and help safety on construction sites through greater accuracy are a significant step closer today, says Land Information Minister Damien O’Connor. Damien O’Connor marked the start of construction on New Zealand’s first uplink centre for ...
By Barbara Dreaver in Port Vila Vanuatu is in celebration mode after winning a significant battle on the world stage over climate change. In a United Nations resolution spearheaded by Vanuatu, the world’s top court will now advise on countries’ legal obligations to fight climate change. It also means the ...
By Jan Kohout, RNZ Pacific journalist New Caledonia’s Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front (FLNKS) say they will tell the French Prime Minister of the Kanak people’s “sense of humiliation” over the last independence referendum. The pro-independence alliance is set to talk to the French state from April 7-15. The ...
Prime Minister Chris Hipkins is visiting the Manurewa RSA meeting veterans who are among hundreds of thousands to receive higher payments from tomorrow. ...
Over four million people have returned their Individual Forms for the 2023 Census, Stats NZ said today. “This is a great milestone. We didn’t hit this milestone until 30 April in the 2018 Census. I would like to thank everybody who has been counted ...
The government's recent announcement of five high carbon options for the next harbour crossing has disappointed those concerned about climate change. TRAC, a rail advocacy collective, opposes the short-sighted decision, citing the urgent need to reduce ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Guzyal Hill, Senior Lecturer, Charles Darwin University Shutterstock Sunday will mark the end of the Daylight Saving Time (DST) in eastern Australia, but there are many who would like to see it last longer or permanently. Twice a year, New ...
He Pou a Rangi Climate Change Commission has launched a call for evidence to support its work on Aotearoa New Zealand’s emissions reduction targets and emissions budgets. This call for evidence is an opportunity for anyone to share information, data and ...
As the move to digital commerce continues, fraudsters are counting on consumers to let their guard down and to supply personal information. And according to new research released today by global payments technology company Visa (NYSE: V), which ...
The Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) is asking for views on which overseas regulators it will draw on for some hazardous substance assessments and reassessments. The recognised international regulators must regulate hazardous substances in a similar ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emma Shortis, Lecturer, RMIT University Alex Brandon/AP Events often seem inevitable in hindsight. The indictment of former US President Donald Trump on criminal charges has been a possibility since the start of his presidency – arguably, since close to the ...
Te Hautū Kahurangi | Tertiary Education Union is ready to fight for every job at Te Pūkenga, as members digest a series of shocking statements from their Chief Executive on RNZ’s Nine To Noon programme today. Peter Winder stated, amongst other things, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Gary Mortimer, Professor of Marketing and Consumer Behaviour, Queensland University of Technology Media Whale Stock/Shutterstock What would you do to get more likes or shares on your favourite social media platform this April Fool’s Day? Would you blast an airhorn ...
New Zealand Politics Daily is a collation of the most prominent issues being discussed in New Zealand. It is edited by Dr Bryce Edwards of The Democracy Project. Today’s contentSTUART NASH, OIA Thomas Coughlan (Herald): Stuart Nash scandal boils down to cock-up vs ‘conspiracy’ (paywalled) Marc Daalder (Newsroom): The opaque transparency of the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tara McAllister, Research Fellow, Te Herenga Waka — Victoria University of Wellington Shutterstock/Guy Hasler As global environmental challenges grow, people and societies are increasingly looking to Indigenous knowledge for solutions. Indigenous knowledge is particularly appealing for addressing climate change because ...
Tommy de Silva explains an interesting new legal shift:Māori can now switch between the Māori and general electoral rolls more easily thanks to a law change. These new rules allow anyone of Māori descent to switch between the rolls whenever they please until three months before an election. That ...
The rules for overseas voting are changing from today for this year’s General Election to recognise the effect the pandemic has had on international travel. ‘This is a temporary change made by Parliament for New Zealanders living overseas who have ...
It’s a headline I never quite expected to write but in recent days have been wondering if I would have to. Former US president Donald Trump will be arrested after a New York grand jury voted to indict him over alleged hush money paid to former adult film star Stormy ...
Everything you need to know about the ticketing agency’s ongoing debacles.So Ticketmaster’s back in the news. Why is the company that should be spitting out concert tickets calmly and quietly sparking so many headlines? Where do you want to start? The lawsuits, the NFTs or the super-mad Swifties? It’s ...
Auckland Council has proposed significant budget cuts without assessing the potential impacts on the region’s environment and climate change efforts, an official response reveals. No assessment was made as Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown never asked for one, ...
Greenpeace is welcoming the National Party’s new renewable energy policy - ‘Electrify NZ’ - with its focus on increasing renewable electricity generation to replace coal, gas and petrol-fuelled transport. But the organisation is calling on National ...
The National Party has pledged to “cut red tape” in the electricity sector through a new policy that it claims will double New Zealand’s supply of renewable energy. Dubbed “Electrify NZ”, the policy was unveiled this morning by party leader Christopher Luxon. “National wants a future where buses and trains ...
By Tom Peters, Socialist Equality Group 30 March 2023 Original url: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/03/30/jspf-m30.html About 20,000 secondary teachers at public schools in New Zealand held a nationwide strike on March 29. It followed a much larger one-day strike on March 16 involving ...
In his first two months as Prime Minister Chris Hipkins impressed for his directness, clarity and determination, and the assured way in which he transitioned into his new role. His everyman style, from the hoodie to the more than occasional meat pie, ...
Recreational craft users are being reminded of their skipper responsibilities following the sentencing of a boatie in Invercargill this week. A skipper was this week sentenced in the Invercargill District Court in relation to a grounding of their vessel on ...
Morning Report - RNZ and the NZ Herald's political editors discuss potential law-breaking by a now-sacked minister, and Marama Davidson's comments. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alice Hayward, Molecular Biologist, The University of Queensland Shutterstock If you’re like me, you’ve managed to kill even the hardiest of indoor plants (yes, despite a doctorate in plant biology). But imagine a world where your plants actually told you ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Centaine Snoswell, Senior Research Fellow Health Economics, The University of Queensland Di Vincenzo/Shutterstock Telehealth has been a game changer for many First Nations people globally, including in Australia. It has allowed First Nations people to access health care close to ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kevin Davis, Emeritus Professor of Finance, The University of Melbourne Allen & UnwinThe Millionaires’ Factory, subtitled “the inside story of how Macquarie Bank became a global giant” by financial journalists Joyce Moullakis and Chris Wright is an impressive, informative ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sierra Keung, Lecturer in Sport and Recreation, Auckland University of Technology With this year’s National Rugby League (NRL) season now up and running, the prevalence of Pacific players in the tournament is again obvious to see. All NRL teams now feature stars ...
Since the devastation of Cyclone Gabrielle, insurers have begun rapidly repricing the land beneath homes for flood risk, creating a Wild West for home owners impatient to find out if their land is going to continue to be insurable. In the new episode of When the Facts Change, Bernard Hickey talks ...
Dr Rangi Mātāmua has been announced as the 2023 Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year for his work in communicating the importance of mātauranga Māori.Aotearoa boasts an exceptionally rich cultural heritage, with our indigenous Māori population contributing significantly to our unique identity. It hasn’t always been a celebrated part ...
The 2020 email to donors that prompted Nash’s firing had not been turned over following an OIA request for correspondence between Nash and his donors, Newsroom reports. The email had been deemed “out of scope” by the prime minister’s office (PMO) because it was not written in Nash’s ministerial responsibility. Writes Toby Manhire ...
Today FM isn’t on air today after it’s sudden closure at about 9.30am yesterday morning. A document leaked to media has confirmed Mediaworks’ plans to shut the station down, leaving key on-air staff like Tova O’Brien without a job. Interestingly, the document also confirmed the swift timeframe put in place ...
A pinch and a punch for the first of the month – and for higher minimum wages, increased benefits, new Covid boosters and more, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. ...
As of tomorrow, everyone in Aotearoa aged in their 30s or 40s is eligible for a second booster shot – and it’s a new variety. A good deal of the population will struggle to remember when they had their first Covid-19 booster (hint: if you were quick off the mark, ...
Aucklanders, would you like a tunnel, two tunnels or a tunnel and a bridge?My nana was one of the first people ever to cross Te Waitematā on foot. In 1959, as a schoolgirl, she walked across the newly constructed Auckland Harbour Bridge before it opened to traffic. Back ...
Because many of us find it hard to adjust, the idea of abandoning daylight saving gets attention every year, but it's shift workers and teenagers we should be concerned about, who live with this type of jet lag all the timeOpinion: Much of the population is likely to feel a ...
Evidence is piling up that the prevalence of our packaged food offerings is not just damaging our health, but shortening our lives. Almost 70 percent of the packaged foods in our supermarkets are classed as ultra-processed - and in some food categories, nearly all products are. They're high in ...
After injury put her on the back foot last year, Olympic triathlete Nicole van der Kaay is on a stirring winning streak to start her journey to the 2024 Paris Olympics. Suzanne McFadden writes. In the days since Nicole van der Kaay won the first World Cup gold medal of her ...
The latest Nielsen BookScan New Zealand bestseller list, described by Steve Braunias (plus giveaway of a $75 masterpiece)FICTION 1 Birnam Wood by Eleanor Catton (Te Herenga Waka University Press, $38) Number one for the seventh consecutive week; but, I think, maybe for the last time, or at least ...
The Posie Parker campaign, and a surprise bill this week dramatically extending possible asylum seeker detentions, show it's critical to keep fighting for human rights ...
New Zealanders, especially NZ businesses, should temper their expectations of a strong relationship with ChinaOpinion: Last week, Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta made the first ministerial visit since 2019 to the People’s Republic of China for high-level meetings. With few concrete deliverables announced, the key achievement was stabilising bilateral relations ...
The latest revelations in the Stuart Nash saga extend Chris Hipkins' political headache but also spotlight the lack of transparency on freedom of information decisions, Marc Daalder writesAnalysis: For Chris Hipkins, Stuart Nash's many and varied indiscretions are the headache that just won't stop. We're now more than two weeks ...
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The Herald’s poll on David Cunliffe’s speech, and Best Start, is showing big numbers opposing it – as is usual with these Nat trolls –
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11192808
That says something about the political views of Herald readers, and little else.
it could reflect that some people with less than 150k but more than a lower amount dont think they need another $60 a week? I would agree with them.
Cunliffe didn’t have the courage to make it what it should have been… a payment to the households earning under 50% of median or thereabouts…. instead he didnt want to be seen to be cutting out the middle class… he’s still doing a josie pagani and flirting with the magical middle class. My household income is about 95k per year. Is he flirting with me? Cos it’s not working.
I am still voting greens after hearing the 3 state of the nation speeches.
I like Campbells interview that showed that not only would middle class NZ want the money, but they recognized interest rates were going up and they were for a second squeeze on their budgets. Though of course I will continue to support the Green party on the list.
JK, I wonder, is the Herald poll anything like the stuff.co.nz polls where where you can repeatedly click on the same option? That is, X amount of votes can be generated by the same person therefore making the poll a total sham, – (as if it was representative anyway!)
Rosie, better to wait for the next Roy Morgan, it’s not necessarily something to hang our coats on as totally correct but as the most frequent of polls will give us an indication within the ongoing trend which we should be able to see both the Labour and Green’s start to the election campaign…
Oh absolutely bad12. Really, I ignore all online msm “polls”, especially the stuffed one due to the issue mentioned.
Generally not the next Roy Morgan. You usually want the one that is about 5-6 weeks later to get the immediate effect.
The logic is that they will probably be mid-collecting now so the next poll will only partially reflect. It usually seems to take the NZ public a couple of weeks to actually process/read about/discuss political announcements and come to some considered judgement. Just consider that many only get around to considering opinion from commentators when it shows up in the weekend papers roundups. Then it takes two weeks to collect the canvassing.
Of course the hysterics of the right are busy trying to mould opinion right now in the astroturfing of Stuff. But ultimately that is really just preaching to the converted…. It is as pointless as snap polls on MSM websites.
Yep, the next few Roy Morgans will be interesting reading. All I’ll say for the moment is that in late 2007/early 2008 and in late 2010/early 2011, the Left Bloc was receiving 42% and 40% respectively (and they turned out to be relatively close elections – particularly, of course, 08). Currently, the Left’s averaging around 46% so things aren’t looking too bad (though I still remain slightly – very slightly – pessimistic).
A couple of weeks? More like a couple of months sometimes.
That would be right. Perhaps I should have said “the minimum time” is 5-6 weeks
Rosie – No. I’ve tried that, and I get a message flash up to say I’ve voted
Lprent: Interesting, noted.
JK: Ok, comes back to your original point then – the nat trolls out in force!
Can someone help with the maths and its relationship to opinions expressed please?
Using a rough estimate of polling as a guide …
Nats 45 %
Lab 34 %
Green 12 %
NZF 4 %
Act 1 %
UF 0.5 %
Con 2 %
Mp 2 %
Others 1
(I understand that the likes of O’Reilly, Barnett, have just one vote each, just like the rest of us…)
so how is it that the Media sources comment from all and sundry on the Right for their views on things and very little from the left?
Now just looking at the above, I would have thought that on the figures of national representation, the likes of Dunne, Boscowan, Prebble, Hide, get a disproportionate amount of air time. For every 49 Right wing commentators, there should be 49 from the Left.
Just saying
Read the daily blog? you’ve got 49 blowhards right there.
in the press, trotter, mccarten, armstrong (dave), one of the rotation of “academics” pushing a left wing cause. against, hooten, hide and one of the normal business type leaders pushing a right wing cause in the business pages.
pretty evenly balanced. Of course, you’ll hate political journos as they tend to offer balanced opinion and insight. which of course makes them closest right wingers to any right-thinking lefty.
… and the bulletins on radio?
Try again
No they don’t, they offer RWNJ opinion and whinging.
Surprised at Paul Henry show last night Henry gave Key a Hard time about going into coalition with winston Peters.
He was pretty fair with Cinliffe.
That is surprising. Might have to have a look.
Nah tricledown Henry may as well have sucked him off on live tv.
His first question to his old mate the PM was to ask him whether he agreed that we should all be grateful to have a PM who is so rich and awesome.
That’s why he’s been bought back for election year and that’s the job he’s doing.
Surprised at Paul Henry show last night Henry gave Key a Hard time about going into coalition with winston Peters.
He was pretty fair with Cinliffe.
You can’t lie to people if they don’t trust you. I leaving off watching his show until the election is called, then I won’t be played by his obvious right wing bias. I did however flip and catch 30s of it and it look real cheap.
Took my brother in law to David Cunliffe’s SON yesterday, he was really impressed and after voting Key in 2008 and 2011 will be switching to Labour 2014.
Great work Saarbo!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9655173/MPs-attendance-records-revealed
– Good, though I’d dock them more then 0.2%
Bit simplistic chris73. Do you watch Parliament TV?
If they were docked for asinine, or childish behaviour I’d agree. 😉
But if you are in opposition, with little chance of changing outcomes – then perhaps the public gets more for their money if you are out working in the community – serving your constituents.
If they were docked properly for such behaviour I think we could run Parliament at a profit. It would end up with MPs having to pay us to go there, rather than us have to pay them.
The funny part is that, after penalties were levied, the highest paid MPs would be people like Bakshi, Prasad and Prosser. Can anyone, from memory, say the parties those three belong to?
one for john key..
phillip ure..
Looks like National Party bloggers David Farrar and Cameron Slater have got a new favourite dictator… http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/from-hoxha-to-bainimarama.html
What does this say about their commitment to democracy in NZ?
The RWNJs have never supported democracy in NZ. They just say that they do so that the country will be mislead about their intentions.
Correct. But the public accepts it because National gets stuff done, without endless rounds of consultation and navel gazing.
Slater has been in love with Bananarama for quite a while now. He acts as an enthusiastic chairleader for the state torturers when they inflict anal pain on prisoners with metal rods. He is one very sick puppy and the fact that our PM’s office has direct links with him is a real worry. Farrar probably presages a change of approach on behalf of NAct.
The media ought to have to refer to The New Zealand Initiative as fka the business round table… interesting to see them gaining profile in election year. Been quiet since 2008.. must be slightly worried.
Have you selected your candidate for Southland – yeah, nah.
[Burt TS is not selecting candidates for anywhere, nor is it an entity that you can have discussions with – MS]
Burt you are on the wrong site but it won’t be hard to find anothet hayseed for National to replace the double dipping dipstock from dipton.
I see Nationals one of many broken promises to get rid of the Maori seats has been completely forgotten Butt Burt if that had happened both Clutha Southland and Invercargill electorates would be marginal andLabour repectfully as Many Maori live in both electorates .
So your side swipe at CV is Hollow.
This time if he stands I hope he prosecutes the National party neatherthals who made threats of violence against A very brave Tatloo.
Burt you don’t have the balls to come any where near Tats bravery.
Even on this site you wouldn’t reveal your real name you coward.
One is honoured.
is it correct that this new measure from labour will not kick in until 2018..?
..so..in their second term..?
..have i got that right..?
phillip ure..
Labour’s Best Start
*Parents with an income of less than $150,000 a year will qualify for it for the first year of their newborn’s life.
*Will begin April 1, 2016.
*Parents on modest incomes (up to about $70,000) will qualify for payments for two more years, abating after $50,000.
*Expected to apply to about 59,000 0-1-year-olds and 63,000 1 to 2-year-olds.
*Working for Families tax credits will not be affected.
*Cost of the child payments is expected to be $528 million a year by 2017-18.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11192808
No.
Babies born after 1 April 2016 will qualify for the $60/week payment. Not sure when they play to bring in the paid parental leave, but as it’s currently a members bill before the house, they’d have no excuses not to bring that through in their first 100 days.
Actually I think the hard cut-off date will be changed in practice, because otherwise we’ll see a bunch of mothers trying to ensure their babies are delivered after 1st of April, which is unseemly.
A better approach would just be to say any babies under the age of 1 after the 1st of April will receive the payments. That way if they’re born on March 31st they won’t be penalised.
Well spotted. Its not gonna happen is it! Ithink we can call this policy an advertising slogan more than something more concrete.
The majority of election year policies are always set in the distant future, not sure what the alternative is, unless you look at National of course.
They do it a little differently. They present a long list of promises short on detail. Then once the election is over those policies get pushed further and further out, whilst policy they never campaigned on gets passed under urgency.
remind me when the new top up for the top earning teacher/principals comes in?
is it correct that cunnliffe has vowed that there will be no marijuana law reform..
..under a cunnliffe-led labour govt..?
..have i got that right..?
..phillip ure..
Lolz Phillip, did you only read the headline???…
glad you’re ‘lolz’-ing..
..i’m fucken not..!
“..”Labour’s policy is not to decriminalise cannabis. That is not our intention.”
that was cunnliffe..
and this from turei makes me puke even more..
“..Greens Co-leader and former Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party member Metiria Turei said cannabis law reform wasn’t one of her party’s major priorities –
-“but it is our policy and we’re not ashamed of it”.
(she’s not fucken ‘ashamed’ of it..?
..wtf..!!!)
..how about you read the truth behind their bullshit..bad..
.and then see how ‘lolz’ you are then..?
..eh..?
..turei viewed the aotearoa legalise pot party as a political vehicle..for her personal ambitions
..tureu viewed the green party as a political vehicle..for her personal ambitions
..she is a carnivorous.dead-animal skin wearing/pot prohibitionist opportunist..
..she comes not within a fucken bulls’ roar of being ‘green’ in any aspect of her life..
..she is a cynical political-opportunist..
..who claims/ed to be ‘green’..
..because she sees that as the best ‘vehicle’ for her personal ambitions..
..end of story..!
phillip ure..
calm down mr ure, surely you can see the wave of decriminalisation sweeping places.
our turn will come sooner than you think I think
of course i can see sanity breaking out elsewhere..vto
..but not fucken here..
..just the same old same old bullshit..
..with the green brand particularly galling..
phillip ure..
….slow down…
Phil…
The more votes that Go to the green party the better the chances of change…
Child Poverty is a bigger issue.
National will use cannibis reform to beat us.
Be patient phil take some medical marajuana.
The reforms in the US haven’t been all good .
Let’s get a change of govt first.
Lolz,Lolz, and Lolz again, tell me something Phillip, you have a Blog??? is that not part of your personal ambitions, are you then not trying to ‘use’ your readers as part of those personal ambitions,
You forgot McGillycuddy Serious in your little list of those you accuse Mets of ‘using’ to further Her personal ambitions,as well as the Beneficiaries Movement in which She was also heavily involved back in the early 1990’s,
The Green Party isn’t going to die in a ditch over the issue of decriminalization Phillip, and only a fool would expect them to make such an issue a ‘make or break issue’ in any coalition talks and as i expect the Green’s to be 12-15% of the vote in 2014 why the hell would they…
good that you’ve clarified your stance..
..and that you are so fucken lolz/relaxed about cancer patients undergoing chemo..
..unable to access cannabis..?
..this isn’t about me wanting to sit down and smoke a fucken joint..
..i do that anyway..
.it is about the cruelties of denying proven relief to people undergoing a health-hell..
..(and personally..of me seeing people go thru that shit…and how much cannabis can help them..)
.still fucken serial-lolz-ing..?
..and it is tureis’ criminal neglect of that medical marijuana bill that was under her care..
..that says all you need to know about her..
..not a fucken word spoken for those cancer-sufferers..
..all now long-dead..
..phillip ure..
Wah fucking wah Phillip, grabbing any excuse in an attempt to justify your outlandish attack on Metiria Turei,
Funnily it is not until you are put under pressure that you start waving around the dead bodies of cancer victims in your pathetic, childish attacks,
What Phillip do you think would have happened to the ‘medical marijuana Bill,(if there is one), had it by Chance been pulled from the members ballot, remembering all the while that as part of the Opposition the only way to get such a Bill befor the Parliament is if it is drawn in what is essentially a lottery,
i would suggest in the current Parliament such a Bill even if with luck it had been drawn from the ballot would not have the numbers to pass it’s first reading…
and that none of them have the balls/intellect to argue the potent/cogent-case for legalising/regulating/taxing cannabis..?
..the best they can aspire to is the half-arsed/half-baked worst of both worlds..?
..where the state still pisses away vast troves of money playing-prohibition..
..leaves control of the pot-market still under gangs/crims..
..and ..to say ‘no!’ to the river of green money in the form of taxation..?
..have they not heard..?
..do they have no examples of this happening elsewhere..?
..basically..can’t they/you fucken see this…?
..am i shouting in a room full of fucken morons..?
..and you defend this shit..?
..phillip ure..
Wah wah wah Phillip, read carefully my comment above this latest of your cry baby bullshit,
The only person shouting moronically to an empty room is in fact you Phillip…
so..arguing for cancer-suffers undergoing chemo..to be able to access the relief cannabis can provide..(a proven medical..as well as an observational..fact..)
..this is ‘cry-baby bullshit’..?
..arguing this..and the rationalities of the colorado-model..vs..prohibition..?
..this is all ‘cry baby bullshit’…?
ok..guilty as charged..
..phillip ure..
Phillip, please carefully read again my comment made at 9.32am, the last couple of paragraphs in particular,
Then can you please stop being a moronic little cry baby…
i read yr last 2 paras..
“..What Phillip do you think would have happened to the ‘medical marijuana Bill,(if there is one), had it by Chance been pulled from the members ballot, remembering all the while that as part of the Opposition the only way to get such a Bill befor the Parliament is if it is drawn in what is essentially a lottery,
i would suggest in the current Parliament such a Bill even if with luck it had been drawn from the ballot would not have the numbers to pass it’s first reading…”
i never said i thought it would have passed..
..but turei had the perfect platform to advance that cause..
..to argue for those cancer-patients..for medical-marijuana
..she could have got on all the media outlets..
..she could have pointed out the cruelties to cancer patients..
..she did absolutely fucken nothing..
..zero..zip..nada..
..not a murmer..
..and aside from anything else..
..what does she/the greens think the people who first voted them into office would want her/them to do..?
..and this current benign neglect from turei just emphasises the betrayal by the greens..
..of those pot-advocates who first got them over the line..
..without them/their votes..the green party as it exists would not be there..
..and this is/has been the gratitude they have received..
..ever since then the green party has just turned their backs on them..
..(and as an aside..as for yr serial ‘cry-baby’ ad homs..i have two words..
..one of them is ‘get’ and the other is ‘fucked!’..
..mm-kay..?..)
..phillip ure..
This is New Zealand if Cancer patients want access to Cannabis they should have no trouble getting it.
but yes it should be legalised and people not criminalised for their drug of choice
Yes, they differ over leagalising cannabis. On that basis Steven Joyce, and therefore the media, have panicked that there are cracks in the Labour green block… Overlooking that they are
a. two separate parties;
b. no different to Winston wanting to buy back assets, Key doesn’t, Colin Craig wanting to hit his children and Key not wanting that’
factcheck:..they don’t differ at all.. tracey..
..phillip ure
it’s not labour policy but it is green policy. That labour will leave it to a conscience vote doesn’t change that it is not their policy to decriminalise, does it?
you can keep dancing on the heads of pins if you like..tracey..
..i can’t be bothered..with yr tired/cynical-semantics..
..phillip ure..
That is some P Ure bullshit right there! Yeh – I get that cannabis law reform is a priority for you, but that’s no reason to throw a tanty just because it is not as high priority to others. I’m not a fan of the term, but when you agitate for the opportunity to have specialist shops selling expensive luxury items, that truly is; boutique politics.
“..that truly is; boutique politics…”
no it’s not..it’s humane policy..
..it’s giving cancer patients access to relief..
..maybe not so urgent for you..
..more so for those current cancer-patients..
..needing that relief..
(and as for me..?..i already know where to get good quality pot..
..it is not my (selfish) needs i am arguing about/for..
..patients..here..now..today..vomiting from their latest chemo-dose..
..them..
..how/where does that hang on yr fucken priority-list..?
..phillip ure..
PU
It’s not so much that I disagree with you about the desirability of cannabis regulation (& taxation)/ decriminalisation, it’s just how tightly you let Gower wind you up over this one.
As for cancer patients; there are Pharmac approved antiemetics, but their side-effect profile may not be well tolerated in all cases. The same could be said of anadamoid agents though. It’s been my experience that chemotherapy patients who want it are presently quite as able to source decent quality herb as any other member of society (anecdotal).
Mr Ure
I have cancer. I have no desire to smoke dope. If I did, it would not be hard to find.
It should be legalised because it’s used by the government and police to target a generation of our kids, mostly Maori, and lock them in Serco profit factories. It is also used to attack our rights in other ways.
As far as legalising dope goes, it should be done for a number of reasons, and the sooner the better. I personally think the medical marijuana issue is a bit of a diversion.
“the medical marijuana issue is a bit of a diversion.”
Actually I think it’s worse than a diversion.
The reason to legalise marijuana is that it’s no-one’s fucking business if you want to smoke marijuana. Simple as that.
The medical thing undermines that stance. The medical thing says that there are legitimate and illegitimate reasons to smoke marijuana and that the govt gets to decide which is which.
Bollocks to that.
“The medical thing says that there are legitimate and illegitimate reasons to smoke marijuana and that the govt gets to decide which is which.”
Totally agree
The NZ Herald article is just a repeat of the report on 3 News last night. I was at the Cunliffe press stand up after Cunliffe’s speech yesterday. I saw and (mostly) heard Gower asking question after question after question of Cunliffe about the Greens cannabis policy.
I couldn’t hear or see everything – media scrum in small space with sound of people leaving the hall in the background – but it just seemed to me to be Gower pushing the wedge/cracks line re Laour and the Greens.
What I did hear Cunliffe say: the Greens could put such policies on the negotiating table. Cunliffe said he wasn’t going to negotiate such things through the media. He said he wasn’t going to negotiate in advance about what was going to be negotiated when the negotiations start. He supports the Greens’ education policy that was announced the day before.
On the basis of this qu and a, Tova O’Brien did a report on it in 3 News last night.
The only evidence they have of the cannabis policy resulting in “cracks” between Labour and the Greens is this, as quoted in the report, and taken from Cunliffe’s stand up yesterday (omitting most of Cunliffe’s replies):
The NZ Herald article just repeats the 3 News report without attribution. I guess they could claim they got the info from Cunliffe’s qu & a yesterday.
Watch for more wedge politics against the left, probably being led by Paddy Gower in future.
phillip you have been played by Gower, 3 News and the NZ Herald – it’s all a beat up, don’t get sucked into their wedge games, aimed at undermining a potential Labour-Greens alliance.
The bit from Turei saying that the cannabis policy was not high priority for them, seemed to follow from 3 News claiming the Greens were ashamed of the policy – if you watch the video of the 3 news report.
@ karol..what ‘crack’..?
..they have both agreed to go nowhere near the subject..
..as i said..what ‘crack’..?
..there is no ‘crack’ for gower to exploit..
..phillip ure..
Exactly. So why use the scurrilous reports resulting from Gower’s questions, as a stick to beat Turei and the Greens with?
His comments here and in previous threads seem to confirm my observation that he has serious issues with strong women who have differing opinions and priorities to him
Resulting in a need to attack them personally rather than engage in discussion
@ zorr…heh..!
..(cheers 4 the chuckle..eh..?..)
..and i don’t attack people..
..i attack stupid ideas/arguments..
..i praise good ideas/arguments..
..the gender of that stupid/smart person is entirely irrelevant..
..as for yrslf..?..as an example..?
..i have no idea of yr gender..
..but whichever cap fits..?
..eh..?
..’serious issues with strong women’..heh..!..
..phillip ure..
Phil be a bit smarter around this. To say that they are for decriminalization now risks political suicide and pushing a certain chunk of voters away. After the election once in power it becomes much easier to look at. It could even happen quite early on so any backlash dies down after it is decriminalised or legalised (even better) and people see that the sky hasn’t fallen.
@ polish pride..
..yes..i see yr arguments..
..and i wasn’t even going to mention pot this yr..(in that context..)
..but i have thought more on this..and personal-exposure to suffering cancer-patients..
..and realising how many more of them are out there here/now/today..
..made me realise this case must be argued long and hard..
..’go softly’ has been tried fr so long..
..and as for public opinion..?
..i say again..go look at that stuff comments-thread i mentioned earlier..
..90% of the comments support ending prohibition..
..haven’t you noticed the stunning-silences from the prohibitionists..?
..they are silent..because all of their arguments have been laughed out of the room..
..and a well-argued/coherent/humane policy-promise would find little opposition..
..and for now..i would be happy for a promise to extend access to plant-marijuana for those in medical-need..and already legally able to pay $1300 fucken dollars..to a fucken drug-company(!)..for..namely sativex..
..that is not a huge leap..and would face little/no opposition..
..what is so fucken hard about that..?
..and so i have decided ‘no silence’..
..and will argue this case..up ’till the election..and beyond..
..once again..we come back to those cancer-patients..here..now..today..
phillip ure..
Do you mean they should bring in legalisation the same way they introduced Rogernomics, Polish? I’d rather they were more open about it. Cunliffe seems to have shut the door by saying it is Labour’s policy to not decriminalise, rather than it is not Labour’s policy to decriminalise. I’d decided not to vote Labour before that anyway, so it’s all a bit moot for me.
Well said Karol, as part of the Government i fully expect the Green Party will attempt to find the ‘numbers’ from across all parties in the Parliament for the decriminalization of Marijuana,
If such an exercise proves to have ‘the numbers’ then i would expect Legislation to ensue, as Lousia Wall showed in the present Parliament ‘contentious social issues’ when cross-party support is sought beforhand can become a simple matter of course…
+1
“phillip you have been played by Gower, 3 News and the NZ Herald – it’s all a beat up, don’t get sucked into their wedge games, aimed at undermining a potential Labour-Greens alliance”.
Thanks for saying it karol. I was just about to trawl through yesterday’s statements re the dope and put it up for phillip.
(And phillip, I have to say, the attention you place on Metiria’s leather jacket is heading in the direction of OTT Comrade. Her choice of clothing has become a sticking point for you. It’s put me in mind of the Chills song despite the affection shown towards the item of clothing in that song)
karol, back to your talk, last night, about the Tova O Brien “cracks” piece: It has been interesting to watch how she has been moulded into a “political reporter”. I remember her many years ago as a host on Radio Active’s Breakfast show when she was literally been shown the ropes of news reading by the politically aware and well informed Liam Luff. She often had trouble with the pronunciation of international and local politicians and leaders, mainly because she had never heard of them. Fair play she was young, green and learning but it seemed there was no connection with the political and social history of her own country. Interesting the changes a few short years make……….
And yes, I do remember Gower’s “take” on Cunliffe becoming leader of the NZLP: the attention on the portrait on the wall and the residence in Herne Bay. Irrelevant stuff. Interesting point that Anne made about the Cunliffe portrait too and how it was a gift from an artist with an intellectual disability. Gower couldn’t have got it more wrong.
Bomber also made reference to Gower’s questions in his report on the conference – though I find Bradbury’s sentence structure a little confusing:
so..is cunnliffe saying he has never smoked pot..?
..he was never in a ‘choom’-gang..?
phillip ure..
Funny, I thought DC was saying he wasn’t a pisshead.
Headlines that Lie: Labour has no intention of backing cannabis policy, so says the headline in today’s Herald online in an obvious and pathetically useless attempt by that rag to create division where there is none,
David Cunliffe’s real stance on the decriminalization of cannabis if a Bill comes befor the Parliament seeking this, Labour will treat the matter as a conscience vote so it’s MP’s will be free to vote for or against decriminalization…
at least cunnliffe is more honest than turei..
phillip ure..
For f**ks sake, what is dishonest about Mets reported comments on decriminalization, the Green Party has a policy of doing just that,
In Government i fully expect the Green Party will put forward a Bill at some stage in the electoral cycle that would decriminalize cannabis,
Befor this occurs tho i would suggest that like Louisa Wall on the conscience vote which saw same sex marraige pass into law an attempt will be made to gain support from individual MP’s across the Parliament,
It is still a democracy Phillip,so we need a majority to make decriminalization happen and your abuse of Metiria Turei is childish and unhelpful…
.,phil it took along time for gay rights to become mainstream.
A change of govt is the best way to advance the cause.
Most university educated MPs will have tried and regularly used marajuana while at University.
I worked on student flats for 15 years less than 25% of those flats were marajuana free ,those students are Now our leaders National labour MPs.
I reckon marijuana decriminalisation IS mainstream. Pollies are always conservatives on these matters though, as the 30% (?) or so who remain against it are a very powerful and reliable voting block.
phillip ure
What’s the matter? Got a fish finger stuck in your throat and now you’re all scratchy and bitey?
Where is the phillip u of yore with an overview who highlights the important factors in the debate?
greywarbler..i have seen the tears of relief from a cancer/chemo-sufferer..
..as the effects of potent-cannabis kick in..
..and help to put them in another room from their suffering..
..that is the source of the ‘fishfinger’ in my ‘throat’..
..and if you saw that..you might even get a ‘fishfinger’ in yr own ‘throat’..
..this to me is cruel and inhumane..
..(the only ‘legal’-cannabis is the spray..sativex..and that costs $1300 for a months-script..(!)..)
..and this is happening today..every day..
..people are going thru this shit..and doctors will give them vast concoctions of pills..many with horrific side-effects..
..but the proven-relief-option of cannabis (no side-effects)..is denied to them..?
..just what sort of fucken madness is this..?
..and yes..the thought of a ‘progressive-govt/parties not having the balls/intellect to argue for this..?
..to just shelve it..(it’s not a ‘key’ policy’..?..)
..yes..that does fill me with fucken dismay..
..how could it not..?
..phillip ure..
Well phillip u you make a strong case. Just make sure that you always state what you are talking about – it doesn’t confuse people (me) then. If you don’t rant against Labour or politicians in general and just press for positive moves for the good reasons you state then you’re words will hit the target, they must. Which I agreewith and lots do, is one for aiming at.
chrs 4 the advice/wise-words..gw..
..your words make sense..
..it’s just that when turei opens her mouth about pot..
..all that history of betrayal floods back..
..and my blood starts to boil..
..but you are right…i should stick to the political/idea-arguments..
..(and i wd note that i published words of praise @ whoar re tureis wellington speech..
..my anger is at actions..and the lack of them..not so much the person..)
..phillip ure..
Anyone else this morning feeling warm, comforted, even dare I say it loved by the sight of a committed, intelligent, slightly emotional, vulnerable even, tempered to a finely honed sense of deep and historically-proven values by the insidious forces of satanic personal attack who looks poised to offer a stark contrast to the mammon-based PR-focused plastic and shallow moneychanger front for oppression and greed and usher in the end of the era of middling, muddling, systemic passive-aggressive cruel and abusive torture of the most innocent and already-downtrodden victims and any individual who dares to propose supporting them? Good-oh, same here.
*applause*
You mean a damn good double in the speeches of both David Cunliffe and Metiria Turei on Monday and Sunday,
Definitely!!! two big steps in the right direction and while i might have a moan occasionally about how far up into th middle class these programs are targeted i am eyes open enough to realize that to implement such that middle class has to be taken into the fold to gain electoral support…
Bad12
+1 re: speeches.
I can see how the “middle class welfare” meme might stick in the craw. Got to resist those divide & rule tactics. Universality would be better, but until we see the messes that NACT have swept under the rug while they’ve had charge of the account books, its best not to commit too far as yet.
Community not Division!
Parsupial, +1, totally agree, and where there is a perceived or real division in policy ‘we all’ should try and set aside our ‘tribal affiliations’ in favor of discussing the ways and means of finding a compromise solution that both parties members and supporters can accept…
Absolutely.
Isn’t National Super universal? Don’t hear anyone bleating about that!
Trickledown economics doesn’t work
Although I guess this is preaching to the converted, this is a nice little summary of research that shows the trickledown approach to boosting wealth for all is a failed theory. The problem is of course overturning the theory, it’s so ingrained in the general population.
I’ve been thinking lately that we need a maximum income of about $100,000 per year with anything over that to be taxed at 100%.
Combined with a decent UBI this will correct the present massive inequality that’s tearing our society apart.
Considering that this policy would be implemented after banning all foreign ownership it shouldn’t be too hard to return community assets that have been sold off back to the community.
“I’ve been thinking lately that we need a maximum income of about $100,000 per year with anything over that to be taxed at 100%.”
I agree with maximum incomes, but not a dollar value – more a proportionate value – x-times the lowest income. Also a FTT.
With the UBI set at 20,000 the maximum income would be 5x the minimum income and thus proportional 😛
And, yes, all in favour of a financial transaction tax while getting rid of the regressive GST.
+1 mirvox.
All the corporate welfar Nactional has handed out in tax cits direct lump sums and tax cuts for the well off have only lead to increased poverty especially of those who can’t vote. Children.
Help
Just missed an item on National Radio must have been first up between 9:10 and 9:30 about outsourcing services to a Perth Company. I think the name of the company was Strike Trust or something similar.
Cannot find anything on RNZ about the item can anyone point me to what the item was about?
Thanks
It is an odd idea, where we contract in an Aussie company to find New Zealand jobs for people on a sickness or disability benefit, and if that person is still in the job a year later the Aussie company get paid $2500.
Hard to see how it works as a business model unless there is a massive chunk of the equation missing, and I strongly suspect there are hidden fees attached to this policy that have not been shared.
Has anyone got details on the company eg. name etc and why it is being run as a trust in NZ?
‘the trust’ you mention is a NZ operation, that was interviewed, and apparently they chose not to apply for the programme as they do not believe there is a way to make it financially viable for them as they did not have a suitable employment network
Xtasy has posted below in more detail
Hi Ron,
It wasn’t anything to do with APN in Perth was it?
From karol’s article last week: “Welfare Profiteers”
Xox
Just heard Kathryn on RNZ discussing the privatisation of MSD for placing solo parents and mentally compromised people into work. For a large fee of course. This is another nail in the coffin of public service provision, just like jails etc. More corporate hand over. Despicable that RNZ doesn’t even question the injustice to our public service.
i think/fear that labour have had a rush of blood to the head..
..following the ‘success’ of their american-styling leadership campaign..
..and are planning to subject us to a year-long american-styling election campaign..?
..(shudder..!..)
..i think this whole speech/strategy was ham-fisted..(excuse the non-vegan metaphor..)
..all cunnliffe need to do yesterday..
..was not to release any detailed-policy..
..but to speak directly to the unease felt my many (both left..and nats with a heart..)..
..of/at our current poverty/inequality..
..all cunnliffe needed to do was to speak to those concerns..
..and to promise that a lab/grn govt will be focused on righting those inequities..
..that..and promising to clean up the waterways..
..would have been enough..
..when pressed for policy-detail..cunnliffe answers..
‘..this is all being worked on..everything is on the table..
..we have to rethink how we are running our society..clearly we have some serious problems..ansd a lab/grn govt etc etc..an uncaring key-govt. etc etc..
..and our overall plan will be released at the beginning of the election-campaign..’
…why didn’t cunnliffe just keep it simple like that..?
..why the (un-needed..and instantly attacked) policy-ejaculation..?
..and as for the cannabis issue..?
..all cunnliffe had to say is that ‘we are looking at fast-moving developments internationally..
..and will release a clear policy in that pre-election policy-release..
…why didn’t he leave that door open..?
..and as a p.s..could someone tell me why labour are unable to even think about..let alone countenance as a possibility..let alone argue..
..the logic/rationalities of the colorado-model..?
..and if doubting the public mood on this..go read the comments-thread on that stuff piece from the other day..(highlighted in general debate thread a few days ago..)
..a long comment-list..
..95% arguing for/demanding an end to prohibition..
..i repeat..
..what are they fucken scared of..?
..phillip ure..
P U
Really: Get over yourself.
Phillip, stop f**king lying, read the article i alluded to above in the Herald online, David Cunliffe has said that Labour as a party does not intend to decriminalize, BUT, if the issue comes befor the Parliament He will make it a matter of a conscience vote for Labour MP’s,
i have now heard David Cunliffe say exactly that on RadioNZ national, TV3news, and He has been quoted thus in various newspapers,
By the sound of you, you need a good puff on the ‘medicinal’…
“David Cunliffe has said that Labour as a party does not intend to decriminalize, BUT, if the issue comes befor the Parliament He will make it a matter of a conscience vote for Labour MP’s,”
Another smart move from Labour. Let the GP bring it up, but let Labour support it too without having to lead the way.
Maybe we should start keeping a list of the ways in which L and the GP are going to be in a mutually beneficial relationship.
“all Cunnliffe need to do yesterday was not to release any detailed-policy”
If he had done that Phillip, then all we would be hearing is how Labour has no policy ideas
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No offence Phillip, and if you want to tell me to f-off and mind my own business that is your right. But may I pass on some advice I have been given (and given more than once.)
Maybe some time away from the keyboard today would help the headspace. Get out in the sunshine and look for some of the good things that are still out there.
I know all too well that battling the ills of the world without taking a regular break now and again is unnecessarily destructive to objectivity. Less critical items can artificially inflate their importance. It becomes increasingly difficult to stay focused on the wider issues. In that environment, the human mind has a tendency to foment stress.
When looking for answers look to nature, find a quiet spot and think on the question most bothering you. I guarantee the answer is not sitting in the keyboard.
I do hope your day improves
Kia kaha
+1 very good sound advice for everyone. Thanks freedom
thanks Polish Pride,
on-line debate can get out of control at the best of times and with politics in particular it is such a simple thing to forget that people are at the other end. We need to look out for each other on-line as we do in real life. I recently took a big dose of my own advice (including a prolonged break from the FB) and must say I am glad I did. Reflection is an important part of any step forward
@ freedom..
“.. Get out in the sunshine and look for some of the good things that are still out there..”
i am doing that tomorrow..going to see/visit with a bunch of vegans i know..
.(..and haven’t seen for awhile..)
..who have turned a dairy-farming-trashed valley..into a minor paradise..
..i am on a promise of a vegan banquet as a welcome-lunch..
..so yr advice is already in hand..
..(and i should add..freedom..that in person i attempt to fill my life with as much humour/good-humour as i can..
..i’m often the one wisecracking/making the jokes/trying to extract the best from any given situation..
(..just don’t get me fucken started on things like how animals..and cancer-patients..just to name two ..are currently treated..eh..?..)
..phillip ure..
Cheers for taking it as intended Phillip.
Have to say, i’m a little envious of the promised banquet, as I am sick of making my own food (The single people out there will understand. ) Enjoy the visit.
Phillip-I respect your right to write in this style but I can’t be bothered reading your stuff because of it.
ok..bg..it isn’t compulsory..
phillip ure..
Not unsurprisingly serious questions are being raised about the new outsourced “mental health employment services” that MSD and WINZ have contracted out to various “service providers” like the Perth based ‘APM Workcare’, New Zealand based ‘Workwise’ and a few others.
Remember this story from 22 January from Simon Collins, in the ‘New Zealand Herald’, titled “Oz firm paid to find jobs for Kiwis”:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11190002
This morning Kathryn Ryan on Radio NZ National had Sharon Wilson-Davis, CEO of the STRIVE Community Trust, and Sandra Kirikiri from the Ministry of Social Development (Director of Welfare Reform) answer some good questions on the risks, the feasibility and other matters. Here is the link to the available audio track:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2583727/the-new-trial-to-get-sole-parents-off-benefits-and-into-work
Sharon Wilson-Davis was once also a member on the controversial ‘Welfare Working Group’, that Paula Bennett had hand-picked to discuss getting more persons (also those sick and disabled) into work, as part of fundamental, indeed radical to draconian welfare reforms, of which the last major ones have been implemented since July 2013. There is some info on Sharon (and her ‘Strive Community Trust’) here:
http://www.strive.org.nz/wawcs0148854/idDetails=164/Sharon-Wilson-Davis-–-Chief-Executive-Officer.html
http://igps.victoria.ac.nz/WelfareWorkingGroup/Sharon%20Wilson-Davis.html
Here is also an older article in the New Zealand Herald from 11 March 2011, where she answers to strong criticism from Sue Bradford and others, that was directed at the ‘Welfare Working Group’ and their aims:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10711489
I listened to the interviews that Kathryn Ryan conducted a bit after 09 am today, 28 Jan. 2014, and I was getting even more worried after hearing Sharon admit what very serious risks there are running such an “experiment” with often very vulnerable persons, who may have all kinds of health conditions and issues, that has left them disabled and disadvantaged to compete with “fit” and “healthy” people. Sandra Kirikiri from MSD was apparently a bit short for answers and explanations, and she basically admitted, it is just a “trial”, and it needs to be seen, how it will work. The pressures seem to be on the service deliverers to get persons into jobs, and if they do not meet a high enough success rate, they will run a loss. That fear they must have, running their “businesses”, will simply mean, they will put pressures on the “clients” referred to them, which will put especially mentally ill in very dangerous situations, fearing losing their benefit and else, should they not accept any kind of “ordinary” job on the open marked, that is deemed “suitable” by WINZ case managers, and by the staff working for the providers.
I know that there is an OIA before MSD, asking for more info on all this, and it should be revealing yet more.
This is truly worrying, and MSD are conducting “experiments” with “clients” from high risk groups. Remember ATOS and the Department of Work and Pensions in the UK, I’d say. It is time to stop such risky “experiments”, before any person suffers serious consequences. But we will likely not hear about it, as the providers may not be covered by the Official Information Act.
Shame on this government, shame on Paula Bennett, I can only say!
This whole issue is ideologically driven. The trouble is we have to wait a generation or two before anyone will accept the proof that such acts are not working, but by then, such institutional changes are inground, and bloody hard to reverse.
Why are we paying overseas institutions to run New Zealand institutions? Bad enough when we hire overseas consultants to confirm what we already know. To me this is an appalling waste of money, and if what we suspect is true, an absurd treatment of humanity.
I still think Helen Clark’s dismantling of the mental health hospitals, whereby a lot of people were housed in collective units run by the DHB’s has not been entirely successful. Yes for some living out in the community has been a success, but now we are about to see the supports kicked out from under them.
@Xtasy and philj….agreed privatising services to the most vulnerable is not the way to go…it just means the NACT Bankster Govt ….. of Key and Joyce and pawn poodle Paula Bennett …..is less acountable to the most vulnerable New Zealanders…while screwing them …It is despicable!
…… In the meantime bankster trader ‘custodians’ of New Zealand cream off what they can by selling State Assets and building multi billion dollar privatised toll motorways which will benefit them, their Trust funds and their ‘Chosen’ Bankster overseas mates
1.) All NACT proposed super motorways should be AXED!( we dont need them and they will be an environmental sore)
2.) …the billions saved should be used by the New Zealand Labour /Green government to support the most vulnerable….. mentally and physically disabled and beneficiaries ( this is the Christian way! ….to look after the most vulnerable in society!)
3.) the money saved from the unwanted super motorways costing billions ….can then also be spent on upgrading NZ State free education to a very high quality …..free university education, free polytech education, free apprenticeships, free internships for NEW ZEALANDERS!
….lets look after New Zealanders instead of treating them like delinquents in their own country!!!!
4.).there should be no young New Zealander or any New Zealander left untrained and without meaningful work….this is the job of the NEW ZEALAND government and not the ‘Chosen’ Bankster private companies!!!( from overseas)
Let us ALL take back New Zealand for New Zealanders!
+1 Chooky
Interesting. The damned economy might pick up and there will be less unemployment which will bugger up the hitherto stable settings of our inflation! Am I on Planet Key I ask? And there is No Answer.
Staff shortage looming for employers
Updated at 7:12 am today
The New Zealand economy has soaked up any spare capacity and will be moving into a period of excess demand this year, meaning it could get tougher for employers to get workers, an economist says.
The Bank of New Zealand-Business New Zealand Performance of Services Index (PSI), was up more than a point at 57.5 in December, compared with 56.4 in November. A reading about 50 indicates expansion.
During the past year, the PSI averaged 55.8, compared with 53.9 in 2012.
All five main sub-indices were in expansion last month, including new orders and business, activity and sales, and employment.
Bank of New Zealand (BNZ) economist Craig Ebert said the economy was picking up and becoming much more generalised.
“It really tells us that growth is not just good, it’s getting quite strong and it’s going to get stronger,” Mr Ebert said.
“The issue we see ahead of us is how the economy is going to be able to cope with that in terms of supply.
“Overall I think there will be some pressure coming from the demand side of the economy which will start to lift some of those inflation measures over the next 12 to 24 months.”
The economy had soaked up any spare capacity it had during the past few years and if the growth indicators were correct, then the economy would be moving into period of excess demand as soon as this year.
That equated to rising inflation and, in turn, to capacity constraints, including in the labour market, Mr Ebert said.
“It may, for example, turn out that firms find it more difficult to secure staff.”
The property and business category of the index nudged up to 57.5 in December, from 57.4 in November, which the BNZ said showed little sign the property market had fallen into a hole since the Reserve Bank introduced lending restrictions.
The retail category hit 74.5 points which, although not adjusted for seasonal effects, was 13.5 points above December 2012.
So now growth is not good news????
Its obvious really, growth is good to a point…lets face it I stopped growing, as did you…if we kept growing the doors would not fit and we would crush the seats…or perhaps our size would have killed us. Once we had grown enough, well that was enough. Wish all the idiots out there whose answer to the economy is “growth” understood this, it cant go on for ever…(and in reality it has stopped except on bankers ledgers of imagined money).
nah, they’ll boost interest rates to fuck up any recovery before it picks up steam.
They might be insane, but at least they’re consistent.
Recovery???? Dont you mean the blip in the graph that makes the short term appear better (as opposed to the constant “real” decline for the last 30 years).
whoops, my computer autocorrected to “English (NZ – Neolib)”. Sorry, yes that’s the one 🙂
LOL
The Guardian profiles Helen Clark and asks if she’ll be the next UN Secretary-General.
@patrickgowernz: David Cunliffe has just walked off on a press conference refusing to answer questions about the baby bonus
Well, that’s inspiring.
Oh Dear, The Cunliffe melts under the first sign of pressure.
A terrible start to this years election campaign for the red team.
no why should he talk to Patrick Gower and take this doggie’s shit? ….after all David Cunliffe is the next 2014 leader of New Zealand!……..eat your heart out Patrick Gower!
…and eat your heart out BM!
he loved it when they listened to kiwipower or whatever the fuck it was called. No real for it though. looks like the markets over the last 30 yrs have delivered lower than cost power prices.
why wouldn’t he interact with journalists unless he’s worried they’ll see the pitfalls of this rubbish policy?
all a bit underwhelming really.
TightyRighty …i never laughed so hard when you were banned for trolling….now where is BiG Daddy?
Cunny cant think on his feet, he just reads speeches prepared for him by his spin weasels
@ Naki listen to Ron!
…you are a spin weasel if ever there was one….you just go off and suck on your rotten eggs
What a fertile imagination you have.
Here is the film:
http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-Parents-wont-be-able-to-rort-baby-bonus/tabid/1607/articleID/330015/Default.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
So:
1. It was a standup in the hall outside the Caucus room.
2. Cunliffe spent 9 minutes answering questions on the scheme.
3. He has a caucus meeting to go to.
4. He left politely and said he had to go to the meeting.
I would expect this sort of spin from a RWNJ but not a reporter.
“@patrickgowernz: David Cunliffe has just walked off on a press conference refusing to answer questions about the baby bonus”
patrick gower doesn’t get the answers he wants from cunliffe so flounces off on twitter
FIFY
Gower is probably sore about the response that Cunliffe gave him last night that made it to air on TV3 (don’t usually watch that crappy 3news – it is full of bias – but wanted to see the framing).
A loaded question was posed by Gower about poor people spending the $60 on tobacco & alcohol.
Response from Cunliffe [not verbatim but can be checked on the TV3 Website] – ‘People wouldn’t want me in their houses telling them what to spend their money on and you [Gower] would be the first to call us a ‘Nanny State’ if we did’
I was chuckling about that for the rest of the evening.
The response was spot on – quick and appropriate
Cunliffe ‘can’t think on his feet’ is nonsense – and don’t all you right-wingers know it.
Unless the reporter was also a RWNJ.
BTW, just so everyone knows, that tweet was from yesterday afternoon.
Ha! Well the same comments as above applies. If his tweet was about yesterday, then most of the time Gower kept asking questions about cannabis. He seemed more interested in that than asking questions about the Best Start policy.
Edit: Actually – it’s confusing. In Gower’s twitter stream, it says the tweet was made 3 hours ago. If you roll over the 3 hours, it says 27 Jan 1.37pm
Edit#2: that 27 Jan time is US Pacific Time. Checked it re one of my retweets to @patrickgowernz within the last couple of hours.
http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Key-walks-out-of-press-conference/tabid/423/articleID/309655/Default.aspx
He did not ‘just walk off’ He explained quite clearly that he had a caucus meeting and he had to leave.
Sorry to spoil the great story you were trying to concoct.
Well here he is at the stand up, answering questions on the policy.
Sounds like Gower has a touch of this.
Edit: note how Gower tries to dominate Cunliffe’s stand up, and often keeps getting ignored as Cunliffe also attends to questions from others.
I think he thinks he’s some kind of gonzo journalist but doesn’t realise he’s not funny.
Gower is trying to be Ace Cub reporter. And there’s a battle of wills going on between him and Cunliffe. Yesterday, Gower dominated a lot of the question time, with mainly only Corrin Dann getting a question in.
If you look at the video of today’s standup, Gower keeps trying to ask questions, but Cunliffe ignores him and takes questions from others. At one point, Cunliffe turns away from Gower. As a teacher I’d pretty much do the same if someone in the class kept trying to dominate the discussion. The rest of the journos are really polite and let other journos ask some questions, but Gower was always trying to be in there hogging the questions.
Yesterday, as soon as the speech was over, before Cunliffe had left the front of the hall, Gower was up the front of the hall in front of the camera, with the camera lights on him. For Gower, it’s always “Me, Me, pick Me”.
Good to get that behind-the-scenes info. Ignoring Gower does sound like the best idea.
Karol…..
“Me! Pick me! Pick me!” . Wasn’t that the Donkey in the first Shrek movie?
… Come to think of it the resemblance is uncanny..so is the annoyance factor.
But seriously the other journalists look and sound quite good in comparison to donkey.
The headline should be: “Thwarted Reporter Throws Hissy Fit”
Have to admire Cunliffe’s calm patience and manner.He obviously doesn’t suffer fools but doesn’t sneer and become snide like Key.
“Me! Pick me! Pick me!” . Wasn’t that the Donkey in the first Shrek movie?”
And since then. Every repulsive, self interested little wanna be, has repeated said happy refrain “Pick Me! Pick me! Pick me!”
If ever there was anyone desperate, it is Patrick Gower. Always strikes me as a stoat in the headlights.
lol
Nah! Possum.. Stoats are alert and rapid thinkers.
Gower will probably become increasingly desperate as Cunliffe’s fortunes rise. After Gower’s failed attempt to push Cunliffe from Labour leadership contention, he must now be worried about his future career.
If his career is his main focus, Gower would be better trying to be a really good journalist, rather than a faux-based jonolist.
The baby bonus I think was a Muldoon term for something Labour instigated to help parents.
Why would Cunliffe play to the plastic jonolists second life games?
patrick gower doesn’t get the answers he wants from cunliffe so flounces off on twitter
FIFY
Is this the same Bob Jones?
Without humanities, science could destroy us
Handout culture should be starved to death
Does he realise that humanity and humanities is linked?
Hey he’s made a lot of money, his opinion matters!
Bob Jones has been saying that sort of stuff for years. He once said he’d rather hire someone with a history degree than an MBA, on the basis that they would have a wider view of the world. In those days he was attacking economics, before Randian repeaters took over the faculties. Now he’s attacking scientists, in line with every other fool who doesn’t want to be responsible for global warming. All the while, he’s never stopped attacking workers, women, Maori,……..
…probably not…his business was based on the poor giving him handouts for renting his houses
BM wipe your bum.
and who saw Steven Joyce on the teevee last night. The look on his dial shows that he knows the game is up.
Byeeee to you and your crowd a.s.a.p.
Bob Jones?? daughter was on the Dole for years she was staying in some run down flat in Dunedin she was suffering from depression very understanable.
Bob Jones would come and visit her in disguise so no one would recognise him.
source?
actually, I don’t want to know if any of that were true.
Poor form, IMO.
Yes poor form and not relevant to the genuine issues raised by BJ.
I agree, and I doubted there would be a source forthcoming
They give themselves the right to delve into the lives of others, the comfortably off that is. Actually I believe many of the c-o have quite serious mental problems, brought on by feelings of inferiority because of the high demands for achievement and inter-sibling rivalry they experience.
…yes she is not responsible for him…..and we have bigger fish to fry here counteracting the ugly trolls
( and much as I enjoy it…..I have got to go and do some work)
cunnliffe is giving a blinder of a speech in parliament..
..and yes..he used the words..’there is an alternative…’
..phillip ure..
it deserves featuring here..
phillip ure..
it was the speech cunnliffe should have given yesterday..
..had i read that transcript..
..i wouldn’t have left..
phillip ure..
and he would have lifted the roof off that hall..
..and would have given gower much more to ask about..than pot..
..and i have slagged gower in the past for perceived failings/ures..
..but he is only doing his job by quizzing both labour and greens on this policy..
..he would be lax in his duties if he did not..
..phillip ure..
Yeah mate, excellent speech from our next PM.
And Key just sounded like he’d been at the Beaujolais over lunch.
http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/22653
Graeme Aitken, Dean of Education has some very helpful cautions about the Government plan to pay millions for teacher Leadership.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11192750
http://www.greystar.co.nz/content/blogger-puts-boot-0
Cameron Slater’s latest piece of vindictive nastiness has Greymouth in an uproar. This family has lost four sons (including one killed at Pike River) and they don’t need this shit. Judd’s Mum is after Slater and I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes/
Cameron Slater has just written himself a never-ending debt of horror from the people of the west coast.
This is the second last time I will ever have anything to do with anything about the cunt. Probably just as well draft post was deleted. Worst person alive in NZ.
wow.
I’m surprised that I wasn’t overly surprised. Disgusted, of course, but not really surprised.
Gives humans a bad name, that one.
Tui Bromley seems to have done her job well – making sure that Slater’s reference to Helen Clark was shown up for the lie it was:
“The ‘feral West Coasters’ label has been around since 2000, when former Prime Minister Helen Clark was speaking on National Radio at the height of the native timber logging debate, but her comments were taken out of context.
A transcript of the sentence in question shows that Ms Clark actually said: ‘Attitudes of some on the West Coast could be fairly feral’.”
The Greymouth Star is a very enjoyable read and Tui Bromley an entertaining journo. It is highly informative (more so than msm shit) and it has a history relating to this website too believe it or not. Pretty much every single person on the coast reads the local rags ahead of anything mainstream.
Imagine getting an entire region of 30,000 people calling for your blood.
Good to know.
Was surprised to see a journalist actually looked up a transcript for an article. 😉
Obviously spending too much time reading the Herald…
And then this little gem comes to light.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/234494/cyber-attack-shuts-whale-oil-blog
Oh dear Blubber over at Whaleoil is upset that his site is down from a DOS attack.
More likely he forgot to pay his server bill
Last one here.
He has received several death threats. What a surprise. What a fool. How ignorant he is. Nothing would surprise me from this point in relation to this issue. Keep it on your radar folks.
http://www.odt.co.nz/source/apnz/289597/whaleoil-blog-hacked
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30013080/whaleoil-down-due-to-dos-attack
Fucking good job.
Death threat seems over the top when the scumbag is clearly dead on the inside anyway.
National, WhaleSoil and Farrar, such a perfect mix of psychopaths, sociopaths and overall societal scum.
it never ceases to amaze the extent to which you fail to understand the what the right wing (voter) actually wants.
You mean they want ‘psychopaths, sociopaths and overall societal scum’.? Well, they’ve lucked out in the last five years, haven’t they?
case in point
That’s the brilliance of the Right Wing leadership. Getting beneficiaries and those on the minimum wage to actually vote for them. The Left can barely do that some days.
Its astounding!
Predictable.
The only thing that surprises me is that the Disqus comment service (according to one email that is what getting attacked) doesn’t handle DOS or DDOS attacks. It could be that it is his site as that seems like a more obvious single point of failure.
That he is getting attacked doesn’t surprise me at all.
blubber meet kettle
Poor Cameron. Sob sob; personal responsibility means never having to say you’re sorry.
Ban Facebook?
http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-threatens-Facebook-ban-over-tax-issue/tabid/1607/articleID/330056/Default.aspx
WTF is going on within labour, if this was cricket the ICC would be starting a match fixing investigation.
Honestly do the left not want to win?
hang on – who brought in the internet censorship law, where ISPs monitor automatically web traffic and send warning notices? And you still think solidly banning a website because of unpaid tax is laughably impossible?
I think clark overextended himself, and let gower’s crowd do a “funny” editorial on a labour mp (see karol above), but only a little bit.
Overextended himself. True, I got the feeling he’s in way over his head
Maybe cleaning the skid marks off the parliament bogs may be more his level.
Christ, what a fucking dumb arse.
I know it’s the best news you’ve seen in days, but it’s really not that major. Gone by suppertime.
Seems reasonable. If a company in NZ doesn’t pay it’s taxes it gets shutdown, usually via receivership but the how really isn’t the issue.
What Labour should be doing is saying that they’re going to re-write the tax laws from the ground up so that companies, especially multi-nationals, can’t dodge the taxes that they’re supposed to be paying.
LOL – another 3 News special. Where did the idea of banning facebook come from? Who suggests it? Watch the vid.
From that, the Headline: Labour threatens Facebook ban over tax issue
another 3 News anti-Labour beat up.
They really are out to get Labour this week!
Mind you, Clark needs to be sharper and not fall into the faux jonolist traps.
So fucking what? Facebook is so passe. Don’t touch Twitter though!
Twitter LOLZ, the home of those with ‘challenged’ literacy…
Thought for the day
Capitalism is inhuman.
Socialism is enslavement.
Polish, qualify the view that Socialism is enslavement, if socialism frees someone from poverty using any means then it is hardly enslavement,
It is in fact Capitalism in it’s starkest form that is both inhuman and enslavement, look at the US at the moment, millions of unemployment benefits cancelled and no jobs, that’s the inhuman enslavement of people into total poverty in a land of plenty…
Under Socialism is the goal of the government low unemployment.
Are those who earn well faced with a higher tax to help support those less fortunate.
Is the less fortunate man given enough to live what someone else has determined to be a dignified life?
Does this man have dreams and aspirations that he perhaps cannot afford?
Is his best chance at having them to one day find a job and earn enough so that he can make them come true?
Is the generally accepted life in socialism Get an education, get a job, work until you are 65, then retire?
That is enslavement and is not a system designed to enable man to be happy
It is a system that man essentially has to continuously work for in order to survive. Or has to be reliant on the taxes of others given to him by the state
If the goal of unions was to lobby govt to enact policy to have the goal of the govt to steer society on a course that made human happiness and maximising time spent with friends and family the aim of society. What if the goal of unions was to free people from having to work.
That’s not socialism. That’s some forms of social democracy – or welfare capitalism.
Does socialism not work on a basis of redistribution of wealth..?
you can earn enough to essentially break free of the enslavement of working under capitalism. It is harder to break free under socialism. The inhumanity of capitalism is in that whilst people can break free, others suffer terribly.
You think a man is free because socialism has taken him out of poverty…….?
I guess it depends on your definition of enslavement.
I guess it depends on YOUR definition of socialism.
My definition.. the only socialism you are likely to ever get through the current L vs R political system
Pete Seeger has died.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/arts/music/pete-seeger-songwriter-and-champion-of-folk-music-dies-at-94.html
94 years old and still kicking against the pricks. Here he is with John Cash:
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Source:
https://archive.org/details/PeteSeeger-01-10
https://archive.org/details/PeteSeeger-01-25
A life well lived.
I watched David Cunliffe’s speech, then switched over to watch the Grammy’s, because of Lorde. She did well. But that pales when I see Pete died yesterday. As you say karol, a life well lived.
Him and Woody laid down the tracks which everyone followed. Thanks joe90, and Te Reo Putake.
Unsurprisingly his site is down so here’s the cache of Pete Seeger’s Statement to the Court prior to his 1961 sentencing for contempt of Congress.
“Thank you, your honor. After hearing myself talked about, pro and con, for three days, I am grateful for the chance to say a few unrestricted words.
First, I should like to thank my lawyer for his masterly presentation of my defense. He has worked over many long weeks and months, knowing that it is beyond my power to pay him adequately for his work. I believe that he, and great legal minds like Justice Hugo Black and Dr. Alexander Meiklejohn, have explained far better than I can why they believe the First Amendment gives an American citizen the right to refuse to speak upon occasion.
Secondly, I should like to state before this court, much as I did before Congressman Walter’s committee, my conviction that I have never in my life said, or supported, or sung anything in any way subversive of my country. Congressman Walter stated that he was investigating a conspiracy. I stated under oath that I had never done anything conspiratorial. If he doubted my word, why didn’t he even question it? Why didn’t he have me indicted for perjury? Because, I believe, even he knew that I was speaking the truth.
Some of my ancestors were religious dissenters who came to America over 300 years ago. Others were abolitionists in New England of the 1840’s and 50’s. I believe that in choosing my present course I do no dishonor to them, or to those who may come after me.
I am 42 years old, and count myself a very lucky man. I have a wife and three healthy children, and we live in a house we built with our own hands, on the banks of the beautiful Hudson River. For twenty years I have been singing folksongs of America and other lands to people everywhere. I am proud that I never refused to sing to any group of people because I might disagree with some of the ideas of some of the people listening to me. I have sung for rich and poor, for Americans of every possible political and religious opinion and persuasion, of every race, color, and creed.
The House committee wished to pillory me because it didn’t like some few of the many thousands of places I have sung for. Now it so happens that the specific song whose title was mentioned in this trial “Wasn’t That A Time” is one of my favorites. The song is apropos to this case. I wonder if I might have your permission to sing it here before I close?”
(At this point the judge refused to hear Pete Seeger sing.)
“Well, perhaps you will hear it some other time. A good song can only do good, and I am proud of the songs I have sung. I hope to be able to continue singing these songs for all who want to listen, Republicans, Democrats, and independents. Do I have the right to sing these songs? Do I have the right to sing them anywhere?”
Also, Toshi Seeger died last year.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2013/07/11/201159066/Toshi-Seeger-Wife-Of-Folk-Singer-Pete-Seeger-Dies-At-91