Open mike 30/05/2019

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  1. Macro 1

    And now for something completely different:

    https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/1133778119767330816?s=21

    • johnm 2.1

      Write To
      Julian Assange

      https://writejulian.com/

      Support Assange From the above the poor man is breaking down under the lies and relentless persecution aimed at him.

      • johnm 2.1.1

        Julian Assange's Legal Struggle Has Gotten More Complicated, But Also There's A Positive

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9AeP8cws0c

        John Dickerson 2 hours ago

        These war mongerers are making a big mistake. By going after Assange they are bringing attention to their sordid war crimes which will very likely end up being their undoing and lead to their own prosecution. The US elecorate and world are waking up. It is more than Assange. It is our freedom s being eroded by sordid war criminals. The people will rise up against any act to incarcerate Assange. One Love.

        Trianabfine

        Trianabfine 1 hour ago

        Jamarl, have you heard the news that Assange is unresponsive in Belmarsh hospital? Stranger Than Fiction News is saying he was poisoned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6_6WitHlK0

        • johnm 2.1.1.1

          https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/julian-assange-now-in-hospital-wing-of-british-prison-in-such-bad-shape-that-he-cant-conduct-normal-conversations/

          The doctors wrote, “experience tells us that the prolonged uncertainty of indefinite detention inflicts profound psychological and physical trauma above and beyond the expected stressors of incarceration. These can include severe anxiety, pathological levels of stress, dissociation, depression, suicidal thoughts, post-traumatic stress disorder and chronic pain, among others.”

          • johnm 2.1.1.1.1

            A source close to Assange confirmed the reports about his health to The Gateway Pundit.

            “We have been watching the slow-motion assassination of Julian Assange. They have been choking him to death by tactical psyops, siege tactics, and wilful neglect as surely as if they placed a noose tied around his neck, not just in Belmarsh Prison but in the embassy as well. The only difference between his execution and someone on death row is the same as the difference between covert and overt warfare, which makes sense because the intelligence, judicial and military agencies who are carrying out his death sentence operate within the same power structure which carries out war. First came the smears (propaganda), then came the siege (sanctions), and they staged their coup (dragged him out of the embassy) and now they’ve got him in their clutches and they can do what they want behind closed doors. That’s how you kill a nation while still looking like a nice guy, and that’s how they’re killing Assange,” independent journalist Caitlin Johnstone wrote of his conditions.

  2. Peter 3

    The oracle Mike Hosking has saved me considerable listening, watching, reading, discussion and pondering time today and over coming weeks.

    I see his Herald headline has it, "This will be a waffle budget, not a well being budget."

    Thanks Mike, I know I can rely on you for intelligent analysis. Is there somewhere I can contribute, a sort of paywallthinkingwallontoeverythingwall thing so I can acknowledge your contribution to my life and its style?

    Better than sliced bread, better than instant coffee and even betterer than really soft toilet tissue!

  3. millsy 4

    I wouldnt get too excited about the Budget if I were anyone around here. Its going to be a fizzer just like the last one. And that is without reading the spoilers.

    "Wellbeing" is just another meaningless buzzword, kinda like "Oppurtunity".

    • Rosemary McDonald 4.1

      I'm expecting "aspirational", "forward thinking" and "foundation".

      In other words….SSDD

      • Gabby 4.1.1

        Going forward Horeskin isn't top of mind but ennathaday he's probably right. Robbo seems comfortable with a bit of poverty among low types.

        • Rosemary McDonald 4.1.1.1

          ….seems comfortable with a bit of poverty among low types.

          'Because, like, if the poor worked as hard as me they could drive a flash car….'

          Meritocracy Mike.

          • KJT 4.1.1.1.1

            If Hosking was paid according to his effort and usefulness, he couldn't afford a bicycle.

    • greywarshark 4.2

      This is our song for now. The Beatles performance was a historic occasion.

      So is this one for NZs. Don't talk it down anyone, look for the positives. National want to shoot it down. Don't let us on the left be sitting ducks.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtzkaL2t_Y

    • The Chairman 4.3

      @millsy (at 4)

      I’m expecting it will be another failure to deliver, with the Government falling short as usual.

  4. The Chairman 5

    Robertson says he is "very disappointed" with Treasury but doesn't call for resignation nor did he offer his.

    I'm guessing Jacinda backs him.

    Should Peters step down for his performance in this?

    • Rosemary McDonald 5.1

      Should Peters step down for his performance in this?

      Well, he most certainly got out his biggest spoon and gave the pot a good old stir.

      Can find it on Stuff, but Anne quoted on Daily Review….

      "From the Stuff ‘live’ news site. (A pity you didn't provide a link Anne)

      Winston Peters’ take on the hacking scandal. Reckon he’s right on the money:

      Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters, is claiming he knows how National got the ‘leaked’ documents but not revealing details.

      He told reporters what they were saying was wrong – the facts were different.

      “Are you saying the cleaner got hold of stuff, I don’t think so … the facts are different to that. The facts are very, very bad for the National party.”

      “The information came to them in circumstances where the behaviour was totally illegal and they should have known it. That’s all I can say right now … it’s my job to know.”

      He said Bridges was being “thoroughly unethical” and cashed in on the material.

      “He has been found out and made a right fool of himself.”

      Bridges should have called up Minister of Finance Grant Robertson to warn him about the documents and tell him something untoward was going on, Peters said.

      “He’s [Bridges] gone-burger now because of this. He had a chance to show that he had ethical views, that he was fit to be a leader …”

      He had no doubt the police would investigate.

      https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-29-05-2019/#comment-1622405"

      I reckon he may have stirred so enthusiastically a little slopped over onto the stove top. Going to be a bugger to get the burnt bits off.

      Never mind….I'll bet the lollies in the Budget will be of comfort.

      • The Chairman 5.1.1

        Well, he most certainly got out his biggest spoon and gave the pot a good old stir

        He did indeed, Rosemary. And you're right, the burnt bits will be hard to get off.

        As Winston said, it's his job to know and it is now evident his assertion (re how National obtained the info) was an outright lie.

      • Anne 5.1.2

        I reckon he may have stirred so enthusiastically a little slopped over onto the stove top.

        I readily concede he did.

        Sorry about no link. Was tired at end of a busy day.

        Btw. Thanks for lols @ 4.1
        Think I might make a list of all the cliches this arvo.

        • Rosemary McDonald 5.1.2.1

          The only worry about you not putting the link up last night is that now I can't find it…maybe lost in the live steam thingy?

      • Shadrach 5.1.3

        “The information came to them in circumstances where the behaviour was totally illegal and they should have known it. That’s all I can say right now … it’s my job to know.”

        But he didn't know, did he? Egg all over his face now.

      • gsays 5.1.4

        You are forgetting the burnt bits are only a hassle when there is no Teflon involved…

  5. mosa 6

    When health and safety is so strictly enforced in most work places why do we not enforce it on our roads with sensible sentences for those who kill or maim ?

    I can now understand why there are so many fatal accidents every day that we read about in the news – because no one is taking this seriously," she said.

    Sia Mosaferi lost her two young boys who were killed in the back seat of their car by a truck driver who did not stop.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018697328/it-s-made-the-pain-all-so-much-worse

    • gsays 6.1

      It would be appropriate (and novel) if those at the top of the chain: directors, CEO 's etc, were in the dock too, if it can be demonstrated they allowed 'unreasonable' pressure come to bear on the poorly renumerated driver.

    • Gabby 6.2

      We're not blessed with a high quality judiciary.

  6. greywarshark 7

    Education – it is the advisors, head stuffed with inadequate precepts and administrative strictures, and the politicians with no clear idea of what its for or its uses to everyone, that need re-educating. We would like something different than the way it happened in China. They had to turn themselves around, so do we. But in a kind and practical way with outcomes of people who can think widely and not seize some policy being done 'overseas' in a bigger country.

    Now we have special needs teachers telling us the present provision doesn't match up to the vaunted possibilities and ideals. The meat in the sandwich is potted fishy paste. When someone suffers permanent nerve damage because the education system turns special needs classes into a sort of ultimate fight arena, unmatched volunteers of 6 foot and 5 foot; it wouldn't be allowed if it was animal animals but when it is human animals yes the Department has said that's okay, get on with it.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/390860/special-needs-teacher-suffers-permanent-damage-after-incident

    She said she had been left with permanent nerve damage after a 15-year-old with severe autism punched her in the back last October.

    "He came up behind me, raised his arm – he's six-foot tall, I'm five-foot-one and a bit; dropped his arm into the centre of my back; I face-planted into the desk with horrific pain and the outcome is permanent nerve-damage now from the impact of the punch."

    The attack happened last October and she was still having physiotherapy, Mrs Dickson said.

    But it's not the first time she has been injured by an agitated student.

    "Eighteen months ago, another (severely) autistic child lost the plot a little bit; he was over-sensitised in the room, lost it and just started punching and kicking me and just managed to get me on the side, dislocated my knee-cap and put me on crutches."

    Another of her students is a child who is non-verbal and used a wheelchair, who had seizures up to 50 times a day, sometimes requiring an ambulance.

    "She's at school for 32 hours a week and she gets 18 hours of teacher-aid funding, and the ministry say it's OK for her to be in my classroom with me, with two high-needs autistic boys that can kick off, and at times I have to deal with all that with no teacher aid. "

    She said special education students needed more teacher-aid hours, and better-designed classrooms to keep them calm and teachers and students safe.

  7. adam 8

    I see business as usual for the beige revolution – selling out Aucklanders asap.

    https://www.waateanews.com/waateanews/x_news/MjE4MzI/National%20News/Stop-Panuku-%E2%80%9Cfire-sale%E2%80%9D

    Thank goodness there is a mayoral race on, otherwise the old boys network would have done this dirty deal already.

    • greywarshark 8.1

      This is what adam’s above link is about – and basically it is about government delegating its authority as the people's representatives to unaccountable yoiks and pirates who are selling up the people's assets to people they feel a deep closeness to, united by recognising their type by the $ signs in others' eyeballs.

      Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is supporting a move by Councillor Mike Lee to halt the sale of the primely located 18 storey Civic Administration Building in Aotea Square until a complete commercial report is publicly tabled and discussed by elected council members.

      Lee, Waitemata ward Councillor, has tabled a Notice of Motion at today’s governing body meeting demanding the council suspend any sale or transfer of ownership of the building. Lee wants a full report made public of any commercial details of the proposed transaction, including price and how heritage concerns of the listed building are resolved before full council discussion.

      Tamihere said the cloak and dagger approach by Panuku – the council’s property arm – is a disgrace and as Mayor, he will ensure Council Controlled Organisations are more transparent.

  8. greywarshark 9

    This is another bad look on Wellbeing Budget day. How could the Housing Minister not be on top of this sort of thing. Everyone in Labour Coalition should know that the civil service isn't; the managers have been generically trained in best practice for shuffling people to the sidelines out of the way of their grand schemes. (The Arthur Dent method.)

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/first-up/audio/2018697388/wellbeing-budget-tamaki-residents-don-t-have-time-to-wait-for-discussion-debate-and-promises

    The students said their families were forced to pay more for private rentals in South Auckland on top of extra costs for travel and they're families are now struggling even more than they were before.

    National's Simon O'Connor, the MP for Tamaki, is urging families who have been forced out of his electorate due to housing redevelopment to come to him, saying they shouldn't have been forced out.
    .

    .South Auckland people have been stuck with private rentals, a housing problem for poor people shifted away after spending a generation in their locale and community. But it's a mistake says Housing NZ boss; (it was a wrong move on the chess board, perhaps the pawns can move back).

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/112513739/councillor-says-families-misadvised-over-moving-home-by-housing-new-zealand

    About 365 state-owned homes in the Auckland suburb of Oranga are being converted into a mix of 1000 affordable dwellings, homes for sale and social housing.

    Maungakiekie-Tāmaki ward councillor Josephine Bartley said families living in Oranga Housing New Zealand homes were recently given 90-day eviction notices and were told they could not stay in the area….

    Telling families they had to leave the area went "against [HNZ's] public commitment", Bartley said.

    She was later told by HNZ chief executive Andrew McKenzie there had been a "staff mistake and they are re-training their staff to help families stay in this area", Bartley said.

    • Muttonbird 9.1

      National's Simon O'Connor, the MP for Tamaki, is urging families who have been forced out of his electorate due to housing redevelopment to come to him, saying they shouldn't have been forced out.

      🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

    • OnceWasTim 9.2

      "Everyone in Labour Coalition should know that the civil service isn't; the managers have been generically trained in best practice for shuffling people to the sidelines out of the way of their grand schemes. (The Arthur Dent method.)"

      It's something I've been wondering about for quite a while @grey. We're talking about the Senior and Muddle management of course, and NOT the little peons at the coalface usually, although there are one or two in the lower ranks that should be in uniform.

      About the only thing I've ever agreed with Mathew Hooter over is the comments he made once on RNZ N2N – they have a vested interest in preserving the status quo. From memory it was with regard to MBIE's Post Election Briefing.

      I continue to wonder whether some Ministers aren't that good a judge of character, or whether they're just masochists.

      One down though (James Casson), hopefully a few more to follow

    • greywarshark 10.1

      Blair is talking a lot about being honest and dealing with people's real concerns. He sounds so wise. Pity that he didn't take the whole Dorian Gray package. He kept his mindset but didn't take up the facial option. If he still looked fresh, young and relatively innocent (or simple) people might be able to overlook his malpractices and believe his utterings. But he is aged and now is just an ageing would-be statesman, who isn't sure what state he's in. But he sounds confident and knowledgable and with integrity, and BY God, wealthy men like integrity and are willing to buy it.

      • Incognito 10.1.1

        But he sounds confident and knowledgable and with integrity, and BY God, wealthy men like integrity and are willing to buy it.

        One can sound confident and knowledgable and with integrity and still end up on the wrong side of history.

  9. Gabby 11

    Can't imagine Tone would be entirely on board with the prospect of BlobbyJobby having to front up in court and account for his 350m per week lies. What's the world coming to when you have to be truthful?

  10. The Chairman 12

    What are you going to do Grant Robertson, defamation case or stand down?

    'Vicious and orchestrated' attempt by Grant Robertson to gag Opposition – Matthew Hooton

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/vicious-and-orchestrated-attempt-by-grant-robertson-to-gag-opposition-matthew-hooton.html

    • Muttonbird 12.1

      Option 3: Ignore

      Pretty safe to ignore Matthew Hooton, I think.

      • The Chairman 12.1.1

        Ignoring it will merely confirm (in the general public's eye) the negative perception being painted.

        • Muttonbird 12.1.1.1

          Nah. People recognise Matthew Hooton as a shrill Nimby agitator. A RWNJ, and he has described that beautifully today.

          No-one listens to him.

          • The Chairman 12.1.1.1.1

            Nah. People recognise Matthew Hooton as a shrill Nimby agitator.

            Perhaps on here, but he's generally accepted out in the real world.

            And I'm guessing he won't be the only one beating this drum. Grant is going to have to make a move, or Jacinda may have to do it for him.

            • Muttonbird 12.1.1.1.1.1

              I think you are over-estimating Hooton's reach. Or, perhaps he does resonate in the circles you move in..?

          • I feel love 12.1.1.1.2

            "ignore" – pretty much.

        • Sam 12.1.1.2

          Guys, please. It's not all doom and gloom. Robertson is on track to average 3% growth, 4% unemployment, 20% debt. Wtf??? That's good as. The dollars doing well against the U.S as everyone else is talking about China vs America. The only ones that care about there tiny whinny little mounds of paper is Simon bridges. Iv had traffic fines more serious that I just toor up and threw in the bin.

          • The Chairman 12.1.1.2.1

            Robertson is on track to average 3% growth, 4% unemployment, 20% debt

            Yet, as a Nation we struggle to feed and house the poor and sufficiently care for the ill and well being of many.

            • Sam 12.1.1.2.1.1

              Mmhmm. So let's not let Simons little bit of paper over shadow the big picture. For 20 years the mantra of finance ministers has been a little bit of pain for some gains. Today's budget has a lot to deliver over the next 12 months.

              • The Chairman

                We can discuss the Budget once it has been released. In the meantime, people are wondering who's heads will roll?

                Will Jacinda show leadership and demand accountability before the public start demanding it of her?

                • The Al1en

                  No one apart from nats are demanding heads.

                  No one apart from nats are demanding accountability off the PM.

                  No one apart from nats are pushing the issue on The Standard.

                  • The Chairman

                    Total rubbish. And I have proven all three in this thread discussion.

                    Now you are resorting to lying.

                • Sam

                  @Chairman

                  You're asking a guy who once imagined a proposal to disband WINZ so to bring in a UBI. Ask away. I'd demote the head of treasury straight out. Robertson didn't stab anyone in the back so nothing really to get upset at him. I'd much prefer Jacinda seek her revenge like any other independent woman would – by succeeding.

                  • The Chairman

                    I support a UBI as a structure for our so-called safety net, making benefits similar to obtaining a pension at a similar or above (for those deemed more in need) rate.

                    At this stage their is no concrete evidence Robertson knew the so-called hack was merely the constant use of a search feature, but it is highly unlikely he wasn't informed being in his position. Moreover, we know he overreached when he inferred National was in possession of hacked material. Further suggesting he was in on painting this as a hack. Making him a liability. Jacinda can't afford to have the mess laying around her, thus needs to show leadership and tidy it up.

                    • Sam

                      Robertson increased the governments operating expenditure by 3.2 billion that's on top of last years 2 billion increase. Think of all that money and opportunities to grab some. Robertson ain't going no where.

                    • The Chairman

                      Robertson ain't going no where.

                      Does Labour want to keep him around for a bullseye? Can they handle the barrage he will attract. There will be further questions on how dirty are his hands.

                      Robertson increased the governments operating expenditure by 3.2 billion that's on top of last years 2 billion increase.

                      Can't see that being enough to address our many urgent needs.

                    • Sam

                      The greater the need the greater the work ethic. So like, you'd reform taxes, okay that should be done. New Zealand is a small to medium sized business haven anyway so all those guys you despise can go into a gulag. Oops did I say that?

    • The Chairman 12.2

      With this negative perception now being painted in the public domain, it looks like Robertson is now becoming a liability, what will Jacinda do?

    • The Al1en 12.3

      Jizz proof shorts – Check.

      All good to go for another day of playing at concerted effort to undermine the government.

      🙄

      • The Chairman 12.3.1

        The Government undermined themselves.

        And are further undermining themselves by doing little to correct it.

        And the perception is not looking good. For example, this is what Martyn Bradbury says, if Grant doesn’t sack someone immediately from Treasury, Jacinda should sack Grant.

        And this is from a left leaning commentator.

        • The Al1en 12.3.1.1

          In your and Hooton's opinion.

          • The Chairman 12.3.1.1.1

            After what has been revealed, I'm positive plenty more will agree.

            Couple this with the let down I'm sure the Budget will produce, come the end of the day, it's not going to be a good day for Labour.

            The Budget is of their own doing and they should have owned this mishap re the Budget info from day one.

            • The Al1en 12.3.1.1.1.1

              Maybe nat voters, a few nat party hacks in the press, perhaps even a tv presenter or two, but no left wingers – Well, not real left wingers anyway.

              Again, you're not fooling anyone here in what you're up to with a clear and obvious anti government, anti left agenda. 100% fake concern troll.

              No free dentist visits or doubling of the benefit in this budget. You're gonna need more vitamin e, stat.

              • The Chairman

                Maybe nat voters, a few nat party hacks in the press, perhaps even a tv presenter or two,

                See that's plenty more just there and I've already shown the comments of one left leaner. Thus, I'm confident there will be more. Only the one eyed left will have trouble seeing it for what it was/is.

                And course when you and others have no argument you roll out the old fake concern troll crap.

                As for your assertion there will be no free dentist visits or doubling of the benefit in this budget, as I said before, it is expected to be a let down, thus fall short.

                • The Al1en

                  Yeah, the amount and content of your anti govt comments dictate it's not a crap accusation.

                  You can't kid a kidder, Kiddo. Really, you can't.

                  My prediction for the budget – You'll make dozens of post slagging the government, labour and the green party.

                  • marty mars

                    Yep the marechin will have got a brand new 3 pack of ankle socks for this occasion – gonna be a looong night.

                  • The Chairman

                    The amount and content of my anti govt comments dictates how badly our government is performing. So your accusation is still crap and you continue to state it cause plainly you still have no argument.

      • McFlock 12.3.2

        hah

  11. Jimmy 13

    Mallard will be pleased about all this budget leak / hacking news as everyone has forgotten he accused a person of rape

  12. Muttonbird 14

    Fascinating story behind the cover shot of the Wellbeing Budget.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12235798

    • Puckish Rogue 14.1

      "I would vote Greens because I'm a bit of gypsy and I don't get into what's going on."

      I'm sure shes representative of a lot of Green voters 🙂

      • Muttonbird 14.1.1

        Single issue voter? Nothing wrong with that.

        Perhaps you’d like people to pass a test before becoming eligible for the electoral roll?

        • Puckish Rogue 14.1.1.1

          Shes probably a very nice person but in the interview shes comes across as a bit of a dingbat

          • Muttonbird 14.1.1.1.1

            I wonder what people make of you, a prison guard.

            • Puckish Rogue 14.1.1.1.1.1

              I'm sorry I don't know what a prison guard is as there is no such thing as a prison guard in NZ

              There are Corrections Officers though 🙂

              • Muttonbird

                Whatever makes you feel better. 😆

                • Puckish Rogue

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrections_Association_of_New_Zealand

                  3000 of my brothers and sisters watching each others backs while we look after the people let down, and sentenced, by society is what makes me feel better

                  • Muttonbird

                    Oops, sorry if I offended you.

                    😂

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      I don't mind taking any opportunity to point out that I have chosen to take on a role that most people couldn't, or wouldn't, be able to handle

                      Yourself included

                    • Muttonbird

                      How could you possibly know that?

                    • McFlock

                      You say that, but then most people couldn't manage to stay awake in a 45 minute meeting where the topic of debate was which circumstances required writers to use an em-dash, a hyphen, or an en-dash, respectively. Feel my pain.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Hey don't get me wrong, its not a bad thing you just don't seem the type to be able to handle the pressure,

                      If I am wrong and you think you can handle it then think about applying

                      https://corrections.nga.net.nz/cp/index.cfm?event=jobs.listJobs&jobListid=9C635771-AA94-5ACC-5AB1-9AFBFE2CE8C2

                      Plenty of roles available all over the country especially in Auckland, Waikato and Canterbury

                    • gsays []

                      Hey PR, I am keen to know what you reckon the top three attributes/skills of a good corrections officer are.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Thats true McFlock and I do feel your pain 🙂

                    • Muttonbird

                      I'd make a fine Prison Guard.

                      🔓🔒

                      See, easy!

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      To gsays thats a very good question, I don't know how accurate this will be but at the moment:

                      I think the most important attribute is the ability to keep your cool and not panic when the pressure goes on (might be two different attributes in hindsight) like its one thing to think you can handle it but its another when you have a heavily tattooed gangster in your face threatening/yelling at you

                      If you're attacked by a prisoner the prisoner may get extra time added to their sentence, may get sent to maximum security, may lose privileges but if a CO is found to have attacked a prisoner, no matter the provocation, then you'll find yourself in court and, if found guilty, lose your job, probably go to prison and find it harder to find a new job once out so the repercussions are much worse for a CO

                      Another useful attribute is being able to "go with the flow" in that in Corrections its rare when things go to plan because you're with people, the very worst people this country has so while we have schedules and such like things can and do change rapidly so if you like having a set schedule and knowing what will happen at any given time then you probably won't find Corrections a good fit

                      Next up would be a good memory because Corrections still seems to be stuck in the "throw them in deep end" mode of training people. By this I mean you will be given roles where you haven't had any specific training in or given a hand over or indeed any explanation of what to actually do and you'll be expected to do it so you'll have to ask around of what to do so being able to remember what people tell you would be very advantageous (I wish I was making this up)

                      The ability to "let it go" would be a fantastic attribute as well, the things you'll hear, the things people will say to you directly, the frustration, the fear, the adrenaline and everything else that builds up over a day is huge so being able to "shake it off" when it happens or when your shifts over would be very helpful

                      Good question

                    • The Al1en

                      I don't mind taking any opportunity to point out that I have chosen to take on a role that most people couldn't, or wouldn't, be able to handle

                      So on par with septic tank cleaners. Thanks.

                    • McFlock

                      I always found "letting it go" (which helps avoid attacking people, too) was pretty simple as a bouncer. All that abuse was just irrelevant to me, because they would have aimed it at anyone who was dealing with them.

                      The two big differences in prisons are the highly structured environment and the ability for the prisoners to observe/connect with their COs over extended periods of time and find the chinks in the emotional armour, e.g. young kids or cancer or whatever.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      To McFlock

                      Prisoners are generally, by their very nature, manipulative and self-centered so yeah 'getting got' is a big thing but fortunately you just have to remember that they're in prison for a reason

                      Andy Dufresne is fictional for a reason

                  • Sabine

                    so sad that locking people up makes you feel better.

                    The money wasted on the prison walls, your 'brothers and sisters' and people like Judith – Crusher of one car, would be better spend in prevention of crime rather.

                    Mind to an extend you and all your brothers and sister jailers are equally locked up. You just get to go home at the end of the shift.

              • Sabine

                well…………
                A corrections officer is an officer responsible for the custody, safety, security, and supervision of inmates in a prison or any other correctional facility. Traditionally, terms such as jailer, jail guard, prison guard, and turnkey were used to refer to a corrections officer.

                never mind, i am sure Judith likes a man in uniform. 🙂 irrespective of the uniform.

                • Puckish Rogue

                  https://www.correctionsone.com/careers/articles/180412187-Why-COs-hate-being-called-guard/

                  I do need to point out I don't hate being called a guard because the person saying it is most likely is saying it out of ignorance rather than malice

                  • joe90

                    You're a screw/screw cunt/fucking screw.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Still am according to some prisoners

                    • joe90

                      Is the F/O still a thing?

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Whats F/O?

                    • joe90

                      First Officer.

                      Back in the day when being a Prison Officer was akin to being in the services, P/Os held rank and went on parade for inspection, management was a quasi officer class, the F/O was akin to an RSM and ruled the roost. F/Os were directly answerable to the Superintendent and were both an inmate's best friend and worst enemy and responsible for all boob discipline. They were fucking martinets and any P/O who ran afoul of the F/O was in deep shit, too.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Now called PCO (principle corrections officer)

                  • fender

                    There are good and bad Corrections Officers. I'd like to think you are a good one, but your unwavering support for that nasty woman Collins who has an unpleasant punitive attitude towards prisoners causes me to have doubt.

                  • gsays

                    Chur for up thread.

                    I&#039’d imagine having each other'(?)s back would be big part of the role.

                  • Sabine

                    you might call yourself as you wish, but at the end of the day no matter how much sugar coating you want to use to make it palatable you are a prisoners guard.

                    You guard people that are locked up. You are a turn key. You keep people locked up in cells, and you open the cells for recreation or something. In fact, the saddest thing about our society is that people like you have that job in the first place. If our society would do its job right we would not need you in the numbers that we obviously have atm. But then i guess for profit prisons need the beds occupied……:) or else there is no profit? right?

                    nothing to do with ignorance, just a different term. And frankly, if the guys and girls hate it so much they could get a different job, right? Free market and such.

                    But you are no officer of anything, you are a prison guard. Heck, according to the Corrections absolutely anyone who can sign on the dotted line can be a jailer. https://www.corrections.govt.nz/careers/types_of_careers/offender_facing_roles/corrections_officer2.html

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      I might have this wrong but you either seem to be looking for a reaction or you seem to be trying to convince yourself of what you're saying or maybe you just want to get something off your chest

                      I am proud to be a Corrections Officer, I'm proud to be doing a job that contributes to NZ, I'm proud of being part of a group that, mostly, runs towards danger rather than away from, metaphorically but also physically, that I've found a way to use the experiences in my life to, in some small way, correct (hence the name) someones negative behaviour

                      I understand that some people don't like the idea of prisons and therefore Corrections Officers, I get that people don't like the idea of people wearing uniforms and locking people away and curtailing freedom and I get that some people will think that can lead to abuse, I get all that

                      Nothing I say will change your mind about anything I'm sure but believe me when I say that if I could wave a magic wand and make prisons obsolete I would, I will celebrate the day I'm made redundant from Corrections because theres no more prisoners

                      I'll enjoy not having shift work, I'll enjoy not driving to work and then getting a text or phone call telling me I'm going to a different prison, I'll enjoy not being threatened, I'll enjoy my family not being threatened, I'll enjoy not having to worry if its my day to be assaulted at work and who knows there maybe a day when I call it quits but until that time comes there'll be a need for men and women like me to do what we do because someone has to do it (I will miss working with a great bunch of people)

                      Also before you start making assumptions you should check your facts, I don't work for Serco, I work for the Dept of Corrections so whatever your point was about prison profit it completely missed it

                    • mfinhamburg []

                      Good on you PR.

                      Many years ago I spent 3 evenings at the old Mt Eden Prison interviewing CO’s as part of the switch over to Serco for the facility. I was, and remain, incredibly impressed by the dedication of these people to the well being and care of those who would more often than not literally stab them in the back with little or no reason. At other times I have been involved in physical works inside AWRCF (Wiri) and Pare, and have been close up to those that inhabit these places. I doubt I’d be brave enough to do your job, and am certain that none of the keyboard warriors here would last more than a day. Ironic really, as it’s their misguided and destructive social policies/ideology that ensure high levels of dangerous criminality in our society. It should be compulsory for all lefties to see close up what they do to human behaviour. Big ups to you.

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      Its more like I just had a vague idea of wanting to help, of wanting to help make NZ a better place (or at least leave no worse off after I'm gone) and looking at what I can do and am willing to do Corrections seems the best place for me

                      I mean I couldn't do what nurses do, to me thats a really tough job. I couldn't be a teacher (who wants to hang around kids all day) and I can't be arsed getting my fitness up to join the police but I can do this so I do it

                      Since you've already seen the worst Corrections has to offer I reckon you would be able to handle it

                      The shift work and rosters are a big pain in the butt though to be fair…

                    • Muttonbird

                      mfinhamburg. You started off ok, then just a massive train crash.

                      🤣

                    • Puckish Rogue

                      I thought some good points were made 🙂

                    • mauī

                      mfinhamburg – "It should be compulsory for all lefties to see close up what they do to human behaviour. "

                      Yes, just look at the marxist, communist USA for example. Huge crime rate… cause Bernie… or something.

  13. Eco maori 15

    Some Eco Maori music for the minute.

    https://youtu.be/DgGr_n4fgyI

  14. Eco maori 16

    We must do more to help our Pacific cousins survive sea level rising cause by Global warming climate change the Papatuanuku owes them as they have not caused as much damage to our environment as the advanced economies of Papatuanuku have to be fair .

    Before, the sand used to stretch out far, and when we swam we could see the sea floor, and the coral. Now, it is cloudy all the time, and the coral is dead. Tuvalu is sinking.”

    “Tuvalu is sinking” is the local catch-all phrase for the effects of climate change on this tiny island archipelago on the frontline of global warming. A Polynesian country situated in Oceania, Tuvalu is no more than a speck in the Pacific ocean, midway between Hawaii and Australia.

    The fourth smallest nation in the world, Tuvalu is home to just 11,000 people, most of whom live on the largest island of Fongafale, where they are packed in and fighting for space. Tuvalu’s total land area accounts for less than 26 sq km.

    Already, two of Tuvalu’s nine islands are on the verge of going under, the government says, swallowed by sea-rise and coastal erosion. Most of the islands sit barely three metres above sea level, and at its narrowest point, Fongafale stretches just 20m across

    Children play near beach defences along the beach in the Funafuti lagoon

    During storms, waves batter the island from the east and the west, “swallowing” the country, in the words of the locals. Many say they have nightmares that the sea will soon gobble them up for good, and not just as a distant fear in their slumber – but by the next generation. Scientists predict Tuvalu could become uninhabitable in the next 50 to 100 years. Locals say they feel it could be much sooner Ka kite ano link below.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/may/16/one-day-disappear-tuvalu-sinking-islands-rising-seas-climate-change

  15. Eco maori 17

    I think it a bad joke fossil fuel being subsidized by the many tangata TAX dollars giving hundreds of billions to billionaire oil barons so they can mount propaganda campaigns to turn lies into their realities. The neanderthal are climate change deniers. They don't care about the 99. % of tangata wellbeing. It's all about the power and money first in there World.

    The head of the United Nations has reiterated his call to end fossil fuel subsidies after first spelling out the idea during his Pacific tour earlier this month.

    Antonio Guterres was speaking in Vienna at the world summit of the environmental group, the R20 Coalition

    Ka kite ano link below.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/390964/un-head-calls-again-for-end-to-fossil-fuel-subsidies

  16. Eco maori 18

    Kia ora Newshub.

    The snow looks heavy down the south island .

    There is a problem of bullies at some schools it not on tamariki being hit by their pears.

    That shows me how much trump likes to control things making requests to have the SSSMcain hidden to keep him happy.

    The Rantan 2 crew were lucky to be rescued. I seen a story about a billionaire super yacht dropping off a container ship and floating close to the surface lost to Tangaroa.

    Ka kite ano

  17. Eco maori 19

    Kia ora te ao Maori news.

    shane its good investment in the region is well over due they have been forgotten for the last ten years.

    The wellbeing budget is awesome for the people but I agree totally immersion Maori language tamariki needed more.

    Papatuanuku smoke free day cool

    I say that's correct the East coast has higher rates of smoking than the rest of the motu that also tells me that East coast has higher poverty rates than the rest of the country that is sad because 20 years ago that was not the case.

    Cool Maori Radio station getting a extra million for content that will help tau toko te reo and Maori Culture

    Congratulations to Mrs King becoming a judge were needed all the tangata whenua we can get in the justice system to give the organization a way to respect tangata whenua ka kite ano

  18. Eco maori 20

    Some Eco Maori music for the minute.

    https://youtu.be/h4DFXUndvbw

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