No idea. Sometimes the machine does things off its own bat. I suspect its inbuilt bullshit detector objected to you saying Robertson accused National of hacking the Treasury server.
Winston Peters’ take on the hacking scandal. Reckon he’s right on the money:
Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters, is claiming he knows how National got the ‘leaked’ documents but not revealing details.
He told reporters what they were saying was wrong – the facts were different.
“Are you saying the cleaner got hold of stuff, I don’t think so … the facts are different to that. The facts are very, very bad for the National party.”
“The information came to them in circumstances where the behaviour was totally illegal and they should have known it. That’s all I can say right now … it’s my job to know.”
He said Bridges was being “thoroughly unethical” and cashed in on the material.
“He has been found out and made a right fool of himself.”
Bridges should have called up Minister of Finance Grant Robertson to warn him about the documents and tell him something untoward was going on, Peters said.
“He’s [Bridges] gone-burger now because of this. He had a chance to show that he had ethical views, that he was fit to be a leader …”
Another statement from Winston about what he claims to know. They are as regular, and about as useful, as the driven slush. Can you remember a single occasion when he has ever explained what it is that he is blathering on about?
Surely you don't believe anything this doddery old charlatan says? After all, even the Daily Blog gave up on him.
Winston Peters had his failures, but he also had some resounding successes. The Winebox scandal was one that comes to mind. He was loudly denounced by his opponents for years and guess what… he proved to be have been right all along. I predict this new scandal will be another success story.
Not only does he know something but the confident manner both Robertson and Ardern displayed in the debating chamber today suggests they know it too.
Not only that, the over-the-top media performance by Bridges this morning (he must have mentioned the words 'smear' and 'Robertson' in the same sentence at least ten times) – together with the frantic nodding of his support cast – tells me National has definitely got something to hide. 🙂
I.m glad you put a smiley emotion at the end of this comment.
For a moment I thought your comment was a serious view and I really didn't think you could possibly take anything that man says as being factual. Thank God you really see him as being as corrupt as he really is. Truth and Winston have absolutely nothing in common.
It's what Bridges did with the information that incriminates him. What Winston knows, or doesn't know, about the source doesn't matter, he's right in saying that Bridges should have alerted Robertson rather than just go public with that information.
It's what Bridges did with the information that incriminates him. What Winston knows, or doesn't know, about the source doesn't matter, he's right in saying that Bridges should have alerted Robertson rather than just go public with that information.
Except if it's an in-joke, then it serves the same purpose as a "genuine" secret sign: encourage feelings of elitism and bonding.
It actually doesn't matter if they're doing it as a secret laugh or as a secret appeal to nazis and their mates. Many of them might see it as a victory in making others look silly (either by outrage or non-reaction, respectively), but using them more than any background level of use still identifies them for what they are.
This is despicable. What is wrong with sections of the the NZ Establishment… continuing to hound and harass an individual who was destroyed by Slater's and his cohorts' lies and innuendo:
Perhaps the content was sensitive because they had special underpants printed up with the symbol. Now that we be a bonding thing with guys who like to go high.
"Just how National got its hand on Budget documents before the Government's announcement could soon become clear.
The Herald understands National intends to reveal how it acquired the documents tomorrow – on Budget Day."
If Simon changes his mind about exposing source it would be because he realises that if it was acquired illegally, he would condemn himself.
If he goes ahead and explains how he got it legally he will “win” against the Government.
Most people with a healthy active working brain are sick of it and just want this 'sand in the togs' irritant called Simon Bridges to call it a day, disapear like.
UK Labour has been placed under formal investigation by the equalities watchdog over whether the party has unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) said it was launching an official inquiry under section 20 of the Equality Act 2006 after carrying out preliminary investigations since March. It will seek to determine whether the party and its employees have committed unlawful acts of discrimination or failed to respond to complaints of unlawful acts in an efficient and effective manner.
The regulator’s announcement followed legal complaints made last year by the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) and the Jewish Labour Movement, which both argued the party was not compliant with equalities law.
Phase two of the Zionists campaign to prevent anyone critical of their Israel having a place in politics. Phase one having the Labour Party expel MP's seen as anti-semitic and defining being anti-Zionist as anti-semitic was not successful enough (the target was Corbyn himself).
Phase three declaring criticism of Zionism (now that it has self declared as a Jewish state) anti-semitism and thus banned under their hate speech law.
Cyber-security experts suggest that 2000 attempts in 48 hours is nothing out of the ordinary. Which raises the question, why did Treasury call in the police on this occasion?
I said National thinks it was to shut them up. Thus, it's not me that is being paranoid.
Nevertheless, hacking is a crime and if 2000 attempts in 48 hours is nothing out of the ordinary, why did Treasury feel the need to call in the police on this particular occasion?
Their earliest statements said Treasury were *advised* to bring in the Police.
Its IT management is shared with DPMC so is hardly unsophisticated. I trust that they know the difference between background noise and an organised attack.
vs the total number of attacks on the system. I suspect they identified a spike in attacks targetting budget 2019 specifically, rising from zero last week to 1000 a day. And maybe identified commonalities to connect the attacks (e.g. sequential field entries in different attacks, whatever).
Darkscope conducted a scan of cyber-attack activity in the New Zealand Government sector and found that agencies were "always under attack, by mainly foreign attackers" An attack rate of 1000 attempts in a day is at the very light end of the spectrum. While there are different types of attacks, of varying complexity, Newshub found last year that the Bay of Plenty District Health Board fielded up to 864,000 potential cyber attacks every day
You know it is possible to identify if the attacks are from the same source. On the small site I run, I have visits from around the globe including several each week from St Petersburg. Why they would want to visit the website of an Historic Church in the Coromandel I have no idea. Maybe they want to visit and admire the Gothic Architecture, ,but if they are carrying any perfume I shall steer a wide course. Or maybe they are just confused because James Cook named the stretch of water after a the Firth of Thames in England.
St James Union Parish Thames is listed as a Category 1 Historic Building by the Historic Places Trust. It is regarded as one of the best examples of Kauri "Gothic Style" buildings in the country.
That's why I think they might not be on the same page talking about total attacks vs specific attacks on the budget.
2,000 as the total number of attacks on the Treasury system is almost farcical, especially if one thinks about the value to other governments and also the private sector as opposed to the benefit to those groups of getting data from BoPDHB.
But if there were 50k attacks in that period (still light with a budget coming up) and the docs released by the nats showed cyber security that a couple of thousand of those attacks were part of a single coordinated effort against that particular material, given that it ended up in the hands of the nats someone in NZ might have a plausible case to answer regarding that coordinated effort. Not just Bridges, I mean.
Is the National Party of New Zealand routinely using spider-crawl software to hack sensitive government and public service information for political gain?
We know Chris Bishop has trawled for confidential information on the Haumaha report so they have form.
The acceptability or not will be based on tribal affiliations…..however Bridges appears a liability regardless…..and the Kiwi public are likely largely disinterested except for what the media narrative is and their take will be informed by that….and currently they are hedging their bets
So both Police + Customs knew there was a court order preventing a 9yr/old boy leaving the country but on the day in question both decided they knew better than the court. Father is suing both Police and Customs.
This may be an unintended consequence of the pro-choice argument where women are encouraged to believe that only they have any say in what happens to the results of a pregnancy.
What happens to their bodies you mean. I'm a solo father, I have as much rights as the mother of my child, so piss off back to whatever MRA blog you came from.
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Am I on a ban or in moderation? For what exactly would I be in either?
No idea. Sometimes the machine does things off its own bat. I suspect its inbuilt bullshit detector objected to you saying Robertson accused National of hacking the Treasury server.
Earlier today: https://thestandard.org.nz/who-did-the-treasury-hack/#comment-1622322
Please be patient… You will be released by Simon in a gotcha type moment.
Probably for sheer volume of comments. Nearly 80 from you today on a topic you claim not to give a shit about.
From the Stuff ‘live’ news site.
Winston Peters’ take on the hacking scandal. Reckon he’s right on the money:
Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters, is claiming he knows how National got the ‘leaked’ documents but not revealing details.
He told reporters what they were saying was wrong – the facts were different.
“Are you saying the cleaner got hold of stuff, I don’t think so … the facts are different to that. The facts are very, very bad for the National party.”
“The information came to them in circumstances where the behaviour was totally illegal and they should have known it. That’s all I can say right now … it’s my job to know.”
He said Bridges was being “thoroughly unethical” and cashed in on the material.
“He has been found out and made a right fool of himself.”
Bridges should have called up Minister of Finance Grant Robertson to warn him about the documents and tell him something untoward was going on, Peters said.
“He’s [Bridges] gone-burger now because of this. He had a chance to show that he had ethical views, that he was fit to be a leader …”
He had no doubt the police would investigate.
Another statement from Winston about what he claims to know. They are as regular, and about as useful, as the driven slush. Can you remember a single occasion when he has ever explained what it is that he is blathering on about?
Surely you don't believe anything this doddery old charlatan says? After all, even the Daily Blog gave up on him.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/12/12/guest-blog-ben-peterson-the-truth-about-winston-peters
When anyone asks you whether you believe anything he says you are wise to just say NO
Winston Peters had his failures, but he also had some resounding successes. The Winebox scandal was one that comes to mind. He was loudly denounced by his opponents for years and guess what… he proved to be have been right all along. I predict this new scandal will be another success story.
Not only does he know something but the confident manner both Robertson and Ardern displayed in the debating chamber today suggests they know it too.
Not only that, the over-the-top media performance by Bridges this morning (he must have mentioned the words 'smear' and 'Robertson' in the same sentence at least ten times) – together with the frantic nodding of his support cast – tells me National has definitely got something to hide. 🙂
I.m glad you put a smiley emotion at the end of this comment.
For a moment I thought your comment was a serious view and I really didn't think you could possibly take anything that man says as being factual. Thank God you really see him as being as corrupt as he really is. Truth and Winston have absolutely nothing in common.
It's what Bridges did with the information that incriminates him. What Winston knows, or doesn't know, about the source doesn't matter, he's right in saying that Bridges should have alerted Robertson rather than just go public with that information.
It's what Bridges did with the information that incriminates him. What Winston knows, or doesn't know, about the source doesn't matter, he's right in saying that Bridges should have alerted Robertson rather than just go public with that information.
If you need a good laugh, Richard Wolff, slaying Jordan Peterson.
Oh that was great. Thanks Adam!
And a response:
This deserves re oorsrlting from this morning
https://youtu.be/CmqZACfyqZw
& tonight on "Worlds Dumbest Criminals", some bozo who was given dodgy goods and then boasted about it…
ABCDEFG H the 8th letter. In times past people would use the number 8 for Heil Hitler, now its the hashtag.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/05/4chan-trolls-want-to-turn-the-hashtag-into-white-supremacy-symbol.html
This is worth a read –
The Alt-Right's Newest Ploy? Trolling With False Symbols
https://www.wired.com/2017/05/alt-rights-newest-ploy-trolling-false-symbols/
Except if it's an in-joke, then it serves the same purpose as a "genuine" secret sign: encourage feelings of elitism and bonding.
It actually doesn't matter if they're doing it as a secret laugh or as a secret appeal to nazis and their mates. Many of them might see it as a victory in making others look silly (either by outrage or non-reaction, respectively), but using them more than any background level of use still identifies them for what they are.
This is despicable. What is wrong with sections of the the NZ Establishment… continuing to hound and harass an individual who was destroyed by Slater's and his cohorts' lies and innuendo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV1gy6rQS7c
Viva Il Duce!
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1133477422584741889
Perhaps the content was sensitive because they had special underpants printed up with the symbol. Now that we be a bonding thing with guys who like to go high.
"Just how National got its hand on Budget documents before the Government's announcement could soon become clear.
The Herald understands National intends to reveal how it acquired the documents tomorrow – on Budget Day."
If Simon changes his mind about exposing source it would be because he realises that if it was acquired illegally, he would condemn himself.
If he goes ahead and explains how he got it legally he will “win” against the Government.
I'm not sure how it is possible to 'get it legally'. It was confidential information.
old email distribution list that still has him in it?
A sanatised version of the truth to be sure.
Another puerile attempt to distract from the budget. It must be a dammed good budget then.
The big reveal on Budget day. I expected that would be the case.
Wonder if it will to the damage and force Robertson to resign?
The real left and right in alignment? Like in Europe and the USA?
Most people with a healthy active working brain are sick of it and just want this 'sand in the togs' irritant called Simon Bridges to call it a day, disapear like.
UK Labour has been placed under formal investigation by the equalities watchdog over whether the party has unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) said it was launching an official inquiry under section 20 of the Equality Act 2006 after carrying out preliminary investigations since March. It will seek to determine whether the party and its employees have committed unlawful acts of discrimination or failed to respond to complaints of unlawful acts in an efficient and effective manner.
The regulator’s announcement followed legal complaints made last year by the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) and the Jewish Labour Movement, which both argued the party was not compliant with equalities law.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/28/equality-body-launches-investigation-of-labour-antisemitism-claims
Phase two of the Zionists campaign to prevent anyone critical of their Israel having a place in politics. Phase one having the Labour Party expel MP's seen as anti-semitic and defining being anti-Zionist as anti-semitic was not successful enough (the target was Corbyn himself).
Phase three declaring criticism of Zionism (now that it has self declared as a Jewish state) anti-semitism and thus banned under their hate speech law.
Cyber-security experts suggest that 2000 attempts in 48 hours is nothing out of the ordinary. Which raises the question, why did Treasury call in the police on this occasion?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/05/cyber-experts-not-convinced-treasury-was-hacked.html
Why were Treasury advised to call on the Police?
I don't know, hence why I'm asking. National thinks it was to shut them up.
Don't be so paranoid. Treasury obviously believe a crime may have been committed and the proper course of action is to refer it to the Police.
I said National thinks it was to shut them up. Thus, it's not me that is being paranoid.
Nevertheless, hacking is a crime and if 2000 attempts in 48 hours is nothing out of the ordinary, why did Treasury feel the need to call in the police on this particular occasion?
Because one or more attempts succeeded?
Fair point. That is most likely it.
Their earliest statements said Treasury were *advised* to bring in the Police.
Its IT management is shared with DPMC so is hardly unsophisticated. I trust that they know the difference between background noise and an organised attack.
The word of industry experts was trotted out during the state house contamination debacle, too.
Not entirely sure they're all on the same page.
"Yesterday afternoon, we discovered multiple and persistent attempts to gain unauthorised access to Budget information," Makhlouf told The AM Show on Wednesday.
vs the total number of attacks on the system. I suspect they identified a spike in attacks targetting budget 2019 specifically, rising from zero last week to 1000 a day. And maybe identified commonalities to connect the attacks (e.g. sequential field entries in different attacks, whatever).
From the link above
You know it is possible to identify if the attacks are from the same source. On the small site I run, I have visits from around the globe including several each week from St Petersburg. Why they would want to visit the website of an Historic Church in the Coromandel I have no idea. Maybe they want to visit and admire the Gothic Architecture, ,but if they are carrying any perfume I shall steer a wide course. Or maybe they are just confused because James Cook named the stretch of water after a the Firth of Thames in England.
Apparently they love steeples and historic clocks, lol
" the Gothic Architecture".
Seriously? What is the church. I would love to see it.
St James Union Parish Thames is listed as a Category 1 Historic Building by the Historic Places Trust. It is regarded as one of the best examples of Kauri "Gothic Style" buildings in the country.
http://www.thamesunionparish.org.nz/
Yes.
That's why I think they might not be on the same page talking about total attacks vs specific attacks on the budget.
2,000 as the total number of attacks on the Treasury system is almost farcical, especially if one thinks about the value to other governments and also the private sector as opposed to the benefit to those groups of getting data from BoPDHB.
But if there were 50k attacks in that period (still light with a budget coming up) and the docs released by the nats showed cyber security that a couple of thousand of those attacks were part of a single coordinated effort against that particular material, given that it ended up in the hands of the nats someone in NZ might have a plausible case to answer regarding that coordinated effort. Not just Bridges, I mean.
Stan Grant always writes something interesing:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-29/european-union-election-results-nationalism-populism-far-right/11157482
One to keep an eye out for
Is the National Party of New Zealand routinely using spider-crawl software to hack sensitive government and public service information for political gain?
We know Chris Bishop has trawled for confidential information on the Haumaha report so they have form.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/390844/budget-leak-when-is-a-hack-not-a-hack
I just think the Kiwi public won't find find this sort of behaviour acceptable.
The acceptability or not will be based on tribal affiliations…..however Bridges appears a liability regardless…..and the Kiwi public are likely largely disinterested except for what the media narrative is and their take will be informed by that….and currently they are hedging their bets
Labour need to wake up and smell the coffee, the teacher's resolve is strong and the public are largely behind them.
So both Police + Customs knew there was a court order preventing a 9yr/old boy leaving the country but on the day in question both decided they knew better than the court. Father is suing both Police and Customs.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/113053683/customs-let-woman-leave-nz-with-9yo-son-despite-border-alert
I hope he takes them to the cleaners.
Me too.
This may be an unintended consequence of the pro-choice argument where women are encouraged to believe that only they have any say in what happens to the results of a pregnancy.
What happens to their bodies you mean. I'm a solo father, I have as much rights as the mother of my child, so piss off back to whatever MRA blog you came from.