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Open Mike 31/07/2017

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  1. Ed 1

    I read a fantastic comment in the Daily Blog by Grant which is worth repeating here.

    Something interviewers have been doing for some time now, is , as an aprapo of nothing in particular to what is actually being discussed, throw in a “you’re not looking too flash in the latest polls”, or, “you’re sub 30 in the polls .You must be worried”?

    Sometimes, as Lisa Owen did on ‘The Nation’ on Saturday whilst interviewing Willie Jackson, is repeat this over and over again.This technique is a way of sowing the seeds doubt.

    Garner Hosking Ferguson and Espiner do it all the time and it has the effect of making the Labour interviewee try to defend or explain themselves , which in turn makes them look weak.

    Little ,Ardern , Jackson and Lees Galloway have been caught out by this recently and have said something like, “no things are not looking good at the moment and we have more work to do”.

    Aaaaaarrrrgghh,Why would you say that??? .Never give an inch .Never!!
    Where’s the spunk….the fight…? ???

    Here’s a different answer…..
    I notice you always bring up the the polls when I am highlighting the serious issues and injustices facing this country. But if you must, I have recently seen a Roy Morgan poll that has us well over 30% and National on 43, so take your pick. It looks like might have take a look at your methodology.”

    Or, the more direct route….”I only talk about policy not polls. It’s policy that stops people sleeping in cars,not David Farrar phoning up a bunch of people and asking ambiguous leading questions”.

    Or, the blunt Winston Peters approach”Your polls are rubbish , ours are far more accurate .Sort yourselves out .”

    Get some mongrel Labour…..show some self respect. Don’t let yourself be pushed around by our disrespectful media….New Zealand needs you to win!!’

    Too which I would add.
    “I notice you always bring up personalities when I am highlighting the serious issues and injustices facing this country…”

    If the Labour Party and the Green fight the media on their terms, they are history.

    Metiria is learning that.
    UK Labour has shown the model.

    • Ed 1.1

      Any chance this could be moved to the ‘This is no ordinary election’ thread ?
      Or shall I post it again there?

      • weka 1.1.1

        It’s fine to repost it in the other thread (we can’t move comments, apart from to OM).

    • tc 1.2

      +100
      Yes this ‘fresh approach’ of not serving up the policies of this govt as a reminder to people as to the wilful destruction national have undertaken plays into the owned medias hands.

      A simple graph or 2 on the proceeds of asset sales and the power generator lost dividends V sale value, cost of the vanity flag tea towel etc etc are all easy hits.

      Thanks to the greens that door has been opened, labour just appear like centrist troughers full of beltway focus group crap. Where’s the anger and passion !

    • Stuart Munro 1.3

      Well said!

  2. Ffloyd 2

    I also have noticed this and have been left jumping up and down screaming at the radio. Pretty sure it would have either Espiner or Ferguson. Last week some time I heard that ‘languishing in the polls,aren’t you very worried?’ from E.Spinner to Andrew Little at least 5 times in one interview and returning to it if Little tried to get back to policy etc. It’s a mean and underhanded tactic and yes it does make you feel deflated. They don’t so much ask questions as attack off subject and talk over the interviewee if they can’t answer the question off the cuff thereby making them look flat footed and uninformed..

  3. Ffloyd 3

    Not to mention Green Party muddying the waters.

  4. Ffloyd 4

    Anyone listening to Espiner? Sending him a virtual punch in the face
    Fortunately A Lttle is holding his own.

    • garibaldi 4.1

      I have said several times on this site that the media are our biggest enemy. They are determined not to allow the Left to get it’s message across. Sadly, no tragically, RNZ has now lined up with the commercial stations/newspapers. Suffice to say the media is owned and the media is the message……right wing.
      Where’s the discussion of policy?

    • Gabby 4.2

      I’m really looking forward to his next move. Vote Labour if you like. Or not. Whatever.

  5. Tony Veitch (not etc) 5

    My God, the media pisses me off!

    On RNZ 7am news – “Andrew Little raised the prospect of quitting . . . etc,”

    when quite clearly in the interview with Dann he was responding (honestly) to a question asked by Dann!

    Then the bulletin went on about the Labour Party appealing for funds – as if this was somehow a knee-jerk reaction to the low poll figure. The Labour Party has been appealing for funds for months – as no doubt so have National etc.

    • Cinny 5.1

      Have only received one request for a donation in my letterbox in the last month, it was from National.

      Re Corin Dann, excellent interviewing of Simon Bridges on Q+A yesterday.

  6. Added on to the misreporting of Andrew Little by the media

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11896977

    It was on the radio headlines as well, with audio, and none of Little’s quoted words are directed at Metirei (although I haven’t gone and found the whole interview yet). He is complaining about the framing of the debate, something I am sure the Greens and Metirei would also like to be challenged and changed. The debate shouldn’t be on what somebody (or bodies, eh Paula?) did 20 odd years ago, but how that situation hasn’t really changed and how we as a society are not really ensuring that there is a suitable safety net, and how we like to blame everyone on it, because we (those in employment( don’t truly feel we will ever need to use the welfare system.

    It really is a shocking own goal by our media, to report someone complaining about their framing of an issue by quoting it whilst framing it in such a way to completely misrepresent the point being raised.

  7. James 7

    I love that you have to resort to little pathetic comments like that.

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

    [not interested in people starting flame wars, 2 day ban – weka]

  8. The Lone Haranguer 8

    This will be a very interesting election for sure.

    Over on Stuff, theres frothing from the mouth regarding whether Little is toast
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95260787

    and the usual comments about how polling doesnt cover the cellphone generations. But I see support for the Greens has risen and Im unconvinced that a bunch of them went out and got landlines recently….

    TOP may well be run by a bit of a cheque book nutter (still better that the previous elections cheque book nutter Colin Craig tho), and maybe he wont get to 5% but his policies dont look to bad to me.

    And if in the unlikely event TOP was to get to parliament, I wouldnt see them siding with the Nats.

  9. Rosemary McDonald 9

    Meanwhile, in the real world where the media’s reach falls short….this party has caught the attention of this as yet undecided voter….

    http://www.democrats.org.nz/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx

    And when I say caught the attention of…I mean that literally.

    Driving from the Far North through to Kaipara the other day the roadsides were blue with National hoardings. There was the odd Labour sign, and an occasional (and even odder) Green sign, but it was the sign promoting Chris Leitch, standing against the Two Shanes in Whangarei that stood out.

    https://www.facebook.com/Chris.Leitch.Campaign/

    Oh, and their policies are definitely worth consideration as well.

    National, Labour, Greens, NZ First, Maori/Mana Parties?

    Stale.

  10. Poission 10

    Meanwhile in the real world,RNZ finds the Auckland council cannot count.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/336143/akl-housing-builds-fall-well-short-of-target

    • popexplosion 10.1

      Hide constructed the super city to fail, like Republican Congress created and passed a broken Obama care. Its what people who don’t believe in govt, neolibs, do. Failed on housing! Failed on public transport! Failed on national regional development!

  11. Ad 11

    If we are on track for a fourth term of National-dominated government, I think it’s worthwhile planning for the kind of activism that can survive the political trajectory that National is driving this country down.

    We are used to equating “conservative” with the Conservative Party of Britain. But so much of our efforts within a fourth term of a National government will be to resisting change, retaining existing institutions from near-obliteration, and slowing the progress of damage. That pushes towards small-c “conservative” as a preferred mode.

    Some may think that it’s too soon to start thinking like this.
    I think it’s best to have a Plan B.

  12. rod 12

    You would be hard pressed getting a job in the MSM by being a Leftie.

  13. Ffloyd 13

    Labour needs to distance themselves from the Greens in my opinion. They don’t seem to be a stand alone entity anymore and they re likely to get caught up in any murky waters stirred up by Gs. Therefore feeding the msm . Labour is already bleeding votes to the Greens and they need to reverse this. Little needs a radical approach, not a FRESH ONE. Something vibrant and reverberating. Lots of hard consonants. Everytime I hear ‘A Fresh Approach’ I think of the Cuddly ad and I nod off. I like the Labour Party and its policies. They are certainly for the ‘common people’ but I want to see a CHANGE not a FRESH APPROACH. I would like to see a succinct understandable Mission Statement of what Labour is going to do and how it is going to be achieved. No waffle. Just plain language that people like me can understand.

    • Anne 13.1

      I would like to see a succinct understandable Mission Statement of what Labour is going to do and how it is going to be achieved. No waffle. Just plain language that people like me can understand.

      Alleluia to that!

    • Louis 13.2

      It is not FPP its MMP. Why do people still think FPP after all these years, do they not understand MMP or what? I support and understand the Labour and Greens MoU so do the parties involved or else they wouldn’t have done it.

      • popexplosion 13.2.1

        Epson split vote.Labour can have it’s candidates and Greens too. Split vote,local electorate Labour,party vote Green. Sure Little won’t be returned, Jacinda will be leader. So k why its okay for Epson to have two MPs,Goldsmith, Seymour and does the Green and Labour candidates get in on the list? That could mean four local MPs! Why should Labour voters not have more local representatives?

        • James Thrace 13.2.1.1

          *groan* @popexplosion.

          Are you seriously suggesting that Epsom Voters attempt to get all the parties electorate MPs in by electorate voting for the Labour candidate?

          The best option for everyone but Act in Epsom is to vote for Paul Goldmsith for electorate, and party vote labour/green.

          That way Seymour David will be out, and ACT will be spent as a political force.

          • popexplosion 13.2.1.1.1

            No I was suggesting voters follow Epson, Maori, Poiriora? and also split vote.

      • Cinny 13.2.2

        +1 Louis

        MMP for the win 😀

    • popexplosion 13.3

      Green movement is the future, Green ideals have shaped the economy, and will continue. Sure distance Labour from that.

  14. European Cities Are Reclaiming Public Services From the Private Sector

    In the ’80s a neoliberal tide swept across the West with the idea that welfares states had become too expensive and that privatizing public goods was better for stimulating the economy. During this era of fiscal conservatism, Western governments basically confined themselves supervisory roles over the economy, reduced to watchdogs enforcing norms and standards. But research has shown that as the government progressively pulls out of public life, many people lose access or experience the deterioration of services that improve their quality of life such as affordable housing, education, public transportation and health care.

    I’m sure that if we did the same sort of studies in NZ we’d also find that privatisation over the last thirty years has cost us more while providing less.

  15. NZJester 15

    John key in the NZ Herald again with info about his interview by Australian broadcaster ABC.
    Even now that he is out of Parliament John Key still will not admit what he did was wrong. He still, tries to make out it was all about her not being a National supporter that she went to the media. He is still the arrogant bully that still sees it as in his words “a bit of tom-foolery with the waitress, it was all very good-hearted”

    ‘I tugged it… I did some dumb things’: Key on ponytail pulling
    31 Jul, 2017 2:21pm
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897224

    • McFlock 15.1

      Yeah. Apparently she went to the media because she wasn’t a supporter of his, not because he kept doing it whenever he visited the cafe, despite being asked to stop.

      • srylands 15.1.1

        Yes it really was a nutty thing to do. Good to see he can admit to that. It is a single blemish on an otherwise stellar business and political career.

        Everyone makes mistakes. At least he owned up to his. A very admirable trait that is only amplified now with recent events.

        While what he did was foolish I don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him by wearing her hair in a stylish French roll.

        • mac1 15.1.1.1

          srylands, like Key, you’re still blaming the victim.

          You “don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him” etc. Have you ever asked a victim why they did not act in a way that you think they should have?

          What was the response?

        • NZJester 15.1.1.2

          A single blemish?
          How about telling the media they would give someone a personal apology if they knew who they were over the mishandling of a rape allegation case involving a diplomat. Then when the brave woman gets her name suppression lifted he immediately back tracks on giving her that apology.
          Or how about promising to get the bodies out of a certain mine and yet they are still in there to this day even tho independent experts have said it is safe to reenter, with only those paid by the mining company still saying it is unsafe. While that was going on he was also involved in bad mouthing one of the parents of the dead over text messages between him and a nasty attack blogger.
          Those are just some of th many blemishes that have tarnished his Teflon coating while he was PM.
          I could go on but someone posted a link a while back I would need to find that contains a very long list of them all and I have not got a few hours to read it all to highlight some of his many other blemishes.

        • marty mars 15.1.1.3

          It wasn’t nutty but imo creepy behaviour – high risk, sexual, misuse of power and massive unequal relationship, repeated, belittling and aggressive. It is good key is gone from politics.

        • Psycho Milt 15.1.1.4

          …I don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him by wearing her hair in a stylish French roll.

          You don’t know why someone would stand up to bullying instead of keeping quiet and trying to make themselves less of a target? I guess you wouldn’t…

        • McFlock 15.1.1.5

          I shudder to think what you’d have said if they’d found bodies in his basement.

        • BM 15.1.1.6

          While what he did was foolish I don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him by wearing her hair in a stylish French roll.

          Lol, exactly, where was her brain, young people 🙄

          • McFlock 15.1.1.6.1

            obviously her hairstyle meant she was asking for it /sarc

            • srylands 15.1.1.6.1.1

              No of course she wasn’t asking for it. I’m just saying a French roll would have sent a message. There is also a hygeine issue with pony tails around food.

              • McFlock

                So he wouldn’t stop when asked, but a hairstyle change would have got it through to him?

                You’re a joke.

        • Gabby 15.1.1.7

          I don’t know why she didn’t stab him with a fork slyrants.

        • Robert Guyton 15.1.1.8

          Srylands – this comment of yours @5:59 pm can’t be genuine, please reassure us you were just intending to flame and that there’s no way you can believe what you wrote. It’s just depressing to think that your world view is so corrupted as to prevent you from understanding that issue. Come on, mate, yours was a step too far.

          • srylands 15.1.1.8.1

            Of course I understand the issue. Pulling the hair of waiting staff is unacceptable in any circumstances.

            • mac1 15.1.1.8.1.1

              Absolutely.

              So is an apology that blames the victim unacceptable.

              So you understand half the issue.

      • mac1 15.1.2

        Spot on, McFlock.

        “”What happened was, there was a local café I went to, there was a bit of tom-foolery with the waitress, it was all very good-hearted, but in hindsight one of them wasn’t a big supporter of mine and went to the media,” Key told the station.

        If that is meant to be an apology, then blaming the victim for not having the same sense of tom-foolery is not an apology.

        It shows that he still doesn’t get it.

        The point is the word “tom” in tom-foolery. It was a dominant male feral feline acting in that role.

        Gareth Morgan had an answer for his type.

      • NZJester 15.1.3

        The right asks for a reason why she took it to the media instead of the Police. Could the fact he would have had officers with him that did nothing and said nothing while he was doing it make her too nervous to do anything like slapping him and also make her not trust going to the police?
        If he was an ordinary rich idiot that tried that on with out armed protection with him I think he might have received a slap.

    • ianmac 15.2

      Key makes out that it happened just once. Liar!

  16. Union city reds 16

    Not wishing to cause undue work for the admins, but I wish to change my log in name to Union city greens. Will be using the old email, so if you see it, you’ll know it’s me.

    Thanks.

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  • Minister of Defence to visit counterparts in US and Canada
    The Minister of Defence, Ron Mark, departed today for the United States and Canada where he will meet with his counterparts.  While in Canada Minister Mark will meet with his counterpart, Minister of National Defence Harjit Sajjan.  “New Zealand and Canada are close friends, and share an instinctive like-mindedness on ...
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  • Government to deliver family carers $2000 pay rise, expand scheme to spouses this year
    The Coalition Government is delivering this year the changes to Funded Family Care the disability sector has long-asked for, says Associate Minister of Health Jenny Salesa. “Today we are announcing the details of our big changes to Funded Family Care, including an annual average pay boost of $2,246.40 for funded ...
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    6 days ago
  • Ko te reo kua mū: Piri Sciascia
    Minister for Māori Development Nanaia Mahuta joins te ao Māori in their sorrow as they learn of the loss of one of the great orators and spokespersons of a generation – Piri Sciascia.  “The son of Pōrangahau was a staunch advocate for Māori development and served his people for over ...
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    7 days ago
  • Minister opens new ecosanctuary at Cape Farewell
    A new ecosanctuary with a predator proof fence on Golden Bay’s Cape Farewell, which will restore a safe home for sea birds, rare native plants, giant snails, and geckos, was officially opened today by the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage. “There has been a fantastic community effort supported by the ...
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  • Pacific partners work together to provide additional support to Australia
    The NZDF continues to support the Australian Defence Force (ADF) as it battles fires in Victoria and New South Wales, including by transporting Republic of Fiji Military engineers from Nadi to Australia, announced Defence Minister Ron Mark. On Saturday morning a NZDF Boeing 757 will depart New Zealand to uplift ...
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  • Kaikōura $10.88 million boost in tourism & business
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) is investing $10.88 million to boost business and tourism opportunities in Kaikōura, Parliamentary Undersecretary for Regional Economic Development, Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. As part of the Kaikōura Marina Development Programme, the following two projects will receive PGF funding: A $9.88 million investment to begin the ...
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  • Govt accounts in surplus, debt remains low
    The Government’s books are in good shape with the accounts in surplus and expenses close to forecast, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown accounts for the five months to November. The operating balance before gains and losses (OBEGAL) was above forecast by $0.7 billion resulting ...
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  • Auckland focus for first Police graduation of 2020
    The number of Police on the Auckland frontline is increasing with the graduation today of a special locally-trained wing of new constables. Police Minister Stuart Nash says the graduation of eighteen officers from Recruit Wing 333-5 means that more than 1900 new Police have been deployed since the Coalition Government ...
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  • Wairarapa gets $7.11m PGF water boost
    The Provincial Growth Fund is putting $7.11 million into creating a sustainable water supply for Wairarapa, Parliamentary Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau announced today. The following two projects will receive Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) funding: A $7 million investment in Wairarapa Water Limited for the pre-construction development of ...
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  • Progress with new Police station in Mahia
    Community safety and crime prevention in the East Coast community of Mahia has moved forward with the opening of a new Police station to serve the growing coastal settlement. Police Minister Stuart Nash has officially opened the new station, which was relocated almost 20 kilometres along the coast from the nearby ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Plans to protect the future of whitebaiting announced
    With several native whitebait species in decline the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage has today released proposals to standardise and improve management of whitebait across New Zealand. “The need for action for a healthy whitebait fishery has never been greater,” Eugenie Sage said.  “Four of the six whitebait species are ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • New resource for schools to increase awareness and understanding of climate change
    A new Ministry of Education resource available for schools in 2020 will increase awareness and understanding of climate change, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “The resource, Climate Change – prepare today, live well tomorrow, will help students understand the effects of climate change at a local, national and global ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Getting more out of our most productive firms
    Finance Minister Grant Robertson has approved the terms of reference for an Inquiry into the economic contribution of New Zealand's frontier firms. Frontier firms are the most productive firms in the domestic economy within their own industry. “These firms are important as they diffuse new technologies and business practices into ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • NZDF sends more support to Australia
    The New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) is sending an Environmental Health Team, a Primary Health Care Team and a Chaplain to Australia, boosting New Zealand support for the Australian Defence Force (ADF) as it battles bush fires in Victoria and New South Wales, Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. The ...
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  • New Zealand joins partners in calling for full investigation into air crash in Iran
    Acting Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Rt Hon Winston Peters says that developments suggesting a surface-to-air missile is responsible for the downing of the Ukrainian International Airlines flight in Iran is disastrous news. “New Zealand offers its deepest sympathies to the families of the 176 victims. It is ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Staying connected to Australian agriculture
    Agriculture Minister, Damien O’Connor, says the Ministry for Primary Industries is continuing to stay connected to federal authorities in Australia as devastating fires affect the country.  “The Ministry is using an existing trans-Tasman forum for discussions on the agricultural impact of the fires and the future recovery phase,” says Damien ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Investment in schools – a commitment to communities
    Thousands of school-age children, their teachers and wider communities are benefiting from the Government’s multi-million dollar investment upgrading and renewing schools, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “We want New Zealand to be the best place to be a child and that means learning in warm, comfortable and modern classrooms,” ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand Defence Force sends support to Australia
    Minister of Defence Ron Mark today announced New Zealand is sending three Royal New Zealand Air Force NH90 helicopters and crew, and two NZ Army Combat Engineer Sections as well as a command element to support the Australian Defence Force efforts in tackling the Australian fires.  The New Zealand Defence Force ...
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