I read a fantastic comment in the Daily Blog by Grant which is worth repeating here.
Something interviewers have been doing for some time now, is , as an aprapo of nothing in particular to what is actually being discussed, throw in a “you’re not looking too flash in the latest polls”, or, “you’re sub 30 in the polls .You must be worried”?
Sometimes, as Lisa Owen did on ‘The Nation’ on Saturday whilst interviewing Willie Jackson, is repeat this over and over again.This technique is a way of sowing the seeds doubt.
Garner Hosking Ferguson and Espiner do it all the time and it has the effect of making the Labour interviewee try to defend or explain themselves , which in turn makes them look weak.
Little ,Ardern , Jackson and Lees Galloway have been caught out by this recently and have said something like, “no things are not looking good at the moment and we have more work to do”.
Aaaaaarrrrgghh,Why would you say that??? .Never give an inch .Never!!
Where’s the spunk….the fight…? ???
Here’s a different answer…..
“I notice you always bring up the the polls when I am highlighting the serious issues and injustices facing this country. But if you must, I have recently seen a Roy Morgan poll that has us well over 30% and National on 43, so take your pick. It looks like might have take a look at your methodology.”
Or, the more direct route….”I only talk about policy not polls. It’s policy that stops people sleeping in cars,not David Farrar phoning up a bunch of people and asking ambiguous leading questions”.
Or, the blunt Winston Peters approach”Your polls are rubbish , ours are far more accurate .Sort yourselves out .”
Get some mongrel Labour…..show some self respect. Don’t let yourself be pushed around by our disrespectful media….New Zealand needs you to win!!’
Too which I would add. “I notice you always bring up personalities when I am highlighting the serious issues and injustices facing this country…”
If the Labour Party and the Green fight the media on their terms, they are history.
Metiria is learning that.
UK Labour has shown the model.
+100
Yes this ‘fresh approach’ of not serving up the policies of this govt as a reminder to people as to the wilful destruction national have undertaken plays into the owned medias hands.
A simple graph or 2 on the proceeds of asset sales and the power generator lost dividends V sale value, cost of the vanity flag tea towel etc etc are all easy hits.
Thanks to the greens that door has been opened, labour just appear like centrist troughers full of beltway focus group crap. Where’s the anger and passion !
I also have noticed this and have been left jumping up and down screaming at the radio. Pretty sure it would have either Espiner or Ferguson. Last week some time I heard that ‘languishing in the polls,aren’t you very worried?’ from E.Spinner to Andrew Little at least 5 times in one interview and returning to it if Little tried to get back to policy etc. It’s a mean and underhanded tactic and yes it does make you feel deflated. They don’t so much ask questions as attack off subject and talk over the interviewee if they can’t answer the question off the cuff thereby making them look flat footed and uninformed..
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I have said several times on this site that the media are our biggest enemy. They are determined not to allow the Left to get it’s message across. Sadly, no tragically, RNZ has now lined up with the commercial stations/newspapers. Suffice to say the media is owned and the media is the message……right wing.
Where’s the discussion of policy?
On RNZ 7am news – “Andrew Little raised the prospect of quitting . . . etc,”
when quite clearly in the interview with Dann he was responding (honestly) to a question asked by Dann!
Then the bulletin went on about the Labour Party appealing for funds – as if this was somehow a knee-jerk reaction to the low poll figure. The Labour Party has been appealing for funds for months – as no doubt so have National etc.
It was on the radio headlines as well, with audio, and none of Little’s quoted words are directed at Metirei (although I haven’t gone and found the whole interview yet). He is complaining about the framing of the debate, something I am sure the Greens and Metirei would also like to be challenged and changed. The debate shouldn’t be on what somebody (or bodies, eh Paula?) did 20 odd years ago, but how that situation hasn’t really changed and how we as a society are not really ensuring that there is a suitable safety net, and how we like to blame everyone on it, because we (those in employment( don’t truly feel we will ever need to use the welfare system.
It really is a shocking own goal by our media, to report someone complaining about their framing of an issue by quoting it whilst framing it in such a way to completely misrepresent the point being raised.
“and none of Little’s quoted words are directed at Metirei”
I wondered about that too. Haven’t watched the original interview either, but it seemed to me Little was criticising the MSM’s obsession with MT’s and benefit fraud.
I am rapidly getting over Andrew little – fuck I’ve given him plenty of rope – he is starting to piss me off. And I do feel for his situation – can’t be plesant for him AND if he’s going to do SOMETHING now is the time for him to do it. Come on DO something!!!
and the usual comments about how polling doesnt cover the cellphone generations. But I see support for the Greens has risen and Im unconvinced that a bunch of them went out and got landlines recently….
TOP may well be run by a bit of a cheque book nutter (still better that the previous elections cheque book nutter Colin Craig tho), and maybe he wont get to 5% but his policies dont look to bad to me.
And if in the unlikely event TOP was to get to parliament, I wouldnt see them siding with the Nats.
And when I say caught the attention of…I mean that literally.
Driving from the Far North through to Kaipara the other day the roadsides were blue with National hoardings. There was the odd Labour sign, and an occasional (and even odder) Green sign, but it was the sign promoting Chris Leitch, standing against the Two Shanes in Whangarei that stood out.
Hide constructed the super city to fail, like Republican Congress created and passed a broken Obama care. Its what people who don’t believe in govt, neolibs, do. Failed on housing! Failed on public transport! Failed on national regional development!
If we are on track for a fourth term of National-dominated government, I think it’s worthwhile planning for the kind of activism that can survive the political trajectory that National is driving this country down.
We are used to equating “conservative” with the Conservative Party of Britain. But so much of our efforts within a fourth term of a National government will be to resisting change, retaining existing institutions from near-obliteration, and slowing the progress of damage. That pushes towards small-c “conservative” as a preferred mode.
Some may think that it’s too soon to start thinking like this.
I think it’s best to have a Plan B.
Labour needs to distance themselves from the Greens in my opinion. They don’t seem to be a stand alone entity anymore and they re likely to get caught up in any murky waters stirred up by Gs. Therefore feeding the msm . Labour is already bleeding votes to the Greens and they need to reverse this. Little needs a radical approach, not a FRESH ONE. Something vibrant and reverberating. Lots of hard consonants. Everytime I hear ‘A Fresh Approach’ I think of the Cuddly ad and I nod off. I like the Labour Party and its policies. They are certainly for the ‘common people’ but I want to see a CHANGE not a FRESH APPROACH. I would like to see a succinct understandable Mission Statement of what Labour is going to do and how it is going to be achieved. No waffle. Just plain language that people like me can understand.
I would like to see a succinct understandable Mission Statement of what Labour is going to do and how it is going to be achieved. No waffle. Just plain language that people like me can understand.
It is not FPP its MMP. Why do people still think FPP after all these years, do they not understand MMP or what? I support and understand the Labour and Greens MoU so do the parties involved or else they wouldn’t have done it.
Epson split vote.Labour can have it’s candidates and Greens too. Split vote,local electorate Labour,party vote Green. Sure Little won’t be returned, Jacinda will be leader. So k why its okay for Epson to have two MPs,Goldsmith, Seymour and does the Green and Labour candidates get in on the list? That could mean four local MPs! Why should Labour voters not have more local representatives?
In the ’80s a neoliberal tide swept across the West with the idea that welfares states had become too expensive and that privatizing public goods was better for stimulating the economy. During this era of fiscal conservatism, Western governments basically confined themselves supervisory roles over the economy, reduced to watchdogs enforcing norms and standards. But research has shown that as the government progressively pulls out of public life, many people lose access or experience the deterioration of services that improve their quality of life such as affordable housing, education, public transportation and health care.
I’m sure that if we did the same sort of studies in NZ we’d also find that privatisation over the last thirty years has cost us more while providing less.
John key in the NZ Herald again with info about his interview by Australian broadcaster ABC.
Even now that he is out of Parliament John Key still will not admit what he did was wrong. He still, tries to make out it was all about her not being a National supporter that she went to the media. He is still the arrogant bully that still sees it as in his words “a bit of tom-foolery with the waitress, it was all very good-hearted”
Yeah. Apparently she went to the media because she wasn’t a supporter of his, not because he kept doing it whenever he visited the cafe, despite being asked to stop.
A single blemish?
How about telling the media they would give someone a personal apology if they knew who they were over the mishandling of a rape allegation case involving a diplomat. Then when the brave woman gets her name suppression lifted he immediately back tracks on giving her that apology.
Or how about promising to get the bodies out of a certain mine and yet they are still in there to this day even tho independent experts have said it is safe to reenter, with only those paid by the mining company still saying it is unsafe. While that was going on he was also involved in bad mouthing one of the parents of the dead over text messages between him and a nasty attack blogger.
Those are just some of th many blemishes that have tarnished his Teflon coating while he was PM.
I could go on but someone posted a link a while back I would need to find that contains a very long list of them all and I have not got a few hours to read it all to highlight some of his many other blemishes.
It wasn’t nutty but imo creepy behaviour – high risk, sexual, misuse of power and massive unequal relationship, repeated, belittling and aggressive. It is good key is gone from politics.
No of course she wasn’t asking for it. I’m just saying a French roll would have sent a message. There is also a hygeine issue with pony tails around food.
Srylands – this comment of yours @5:59 pm can’t be genuine, please reassure us you were just intending to flame and that there’s no way you can believe what you wrote. It’s just depressing to think that your world view is so corrupted as to prevent you from understanding that issue. Come on, mate, yours was a step too far.
“”What happened was, there was a local café I went to, there was a bit of tom-foolery with the waitress, it was all very good-hearted, but in hindsight one of them wasn’t a big supporter of mine and went to the media,” Key told the station.
If that is meant to be an apology, then blaming the victim for not having the same sense of tom-foolery is not an apology.
It shows that he still doesn’t get it.
The point is the word “tom” in tom-foolery. It was a dominant male feral feline acting in that role.
The right asks for a reason why she took it to the media instead of the Police. Could the fact he would have had officers with him that did nothing and said nothing while he was doing it make her too nervous to do anything like slapping him and also make her not trust going to the police?
If he was an ordinary rich idiot that tried that on with out armed protection with him I think he might have received a slap.
Not wishing to cause undue work for the admins, but I wish to change my log in name to Union city greens. Will be using the old email, so if you see it, you’ll know it’s me.
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I read a fantastic comment in the Daily Blog by Grant which is worth repeating here.
Too which I would add.
“I notice you always bring up personalities when I am highlighting the serious issues and injustices facing this country…”
If the Labour Party and the Green fight the media on their terms, they are history.
Metiria is learning that.
UK Labour has shown the model.
Any chance this could be moved to the ‘This is no ordinary election’ thread ?
Or shall I post it again there?
It’s fine to repost it in the other thread (we can’t move comments, apart from to OM).
+100
Yes this ‘fresh approach’ of not serving up the policies of this govt as a reminder to people as to the wilful destruction national have undertaken plays into the owned medias hands.
A simple graph or 2 on the proceeds of asset sales and the power generator lost dividends V sale value, cost of the vanity flag tea towel etc etc are all easy hits.
Thanks to the greens that door has been opened, labour just appear like centrist troughers full of beltway focus group crap. Where’s the anger and passion !
Well said!
I also have noticed this and have been left jumping up and down screaming at the radio. Pretty sure it would have either Espiner or Ferguson. Last week some time I heard that ‘languishing in the polls,aren’t you very worried?’ from E.Spinner to Andrew Little at least 5 times in one interview and returning to it if Little tried to get back to policy etc. It’s a mean and underhanded tactic and yes it does make you feel deflated. They don’t so much ask questions as attack off subject and talk over the interviewee if they can’t answer the question off the cuff thereby making them look flat footed and uninformed..
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Not to mention Green Party muddying the waters.
Anyone listening to Espiner? Sending him a virtual punch in the face
Fortunately A Lttle is holding his own.
I have said several times on this site that the media are our biggest enemy. They are determined not to allow the Left to get it’s message across. Sadly, no tragically, RNZ has now lined up with the commercial stations/newspapers. Suffice to say the media is owned and the media is the message……right wing.
Where’s the discussion of policy?
I’m really looking forward to his next move. Vote Labour if you like. Or not. Whatever.
My God, the media pisses me off!
On RNZ 7am news – “Andrew Little raised the prospect of quitting . . . etc,”
when quite clearly in the interview with Dann he was responding (honestly) to a question asked by Dann!
Then the bulletin went on about the Labour Party appealing for funds – as if this was somehow a knee-jerk reaction to the low poll figure. The Labour Party has been appealing for funds for months – as no doubt so have National etc.
Have only received one request for a donation in my letterbox in the last month, it was from National.
Re Corin Dann, excellent interviewing of Simon Bridges on Q+A yesterday.
I hope you set fire to it and then flushed it down the toilet.
Added on to the misreporting of Andrew Little by the media
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11896977
It was on the radio headlines as well, with audio, and none of Little’s quoted words are directed at Metirei (although I haven’t gone and found the whole interview yet). He is complaining about the framing of the debate, something I am sure the Greens and Metirei would also like to be challenged and changed. The debate shouldn’t be on what somebody (or bodies, eh Paula?) did 20 odd years ago, but how that situation hasn’t really changed and how we as a society are not really ensuring that there is a suitable safety net, and how we like to blame everyone on it, because we (those in employment( don’t truly feel we will ever need to use the welfare system.
It really is a shocking own goal by our media, to report someone complaining about their framing of an issue by quoting it whilst framing it in such a way to completely misrepresent the point being raised.
“and none of Little’s quoted words are directed at Metirei”
I wondered about that too. Haven’t watched the original interview either, but it seemed to me Little was criticising the MSM’s obsession with MT’s and benefit fraud.
Anyone got a link to the interview?
Weka, here’s the link, am yet to listen to it.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/336141/little-i-am-no-less-diminished-in-my-determination
cheers, will have a listen later. I think there is a TV from yesterday too.
I am rapidly getting over Andrew little – fuck I’ve given him plenty of rope – he is starting to piss me off. And I do feel for his situation – can’t be plesant for him AND if he’s going to do SOMETHING now is the time for him to do it. Come on DO something!!!
And apparently Met is now telling MR that the GP won’t do as Willy Jackson asked re-seat deals.
Morning Report on twitter:
Always a good idea to see if the substance of the interview matches the twitter headline.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201852957/greens-won-t-stand-candidates-aside-in-maori-seats
I love that you have to resort to little pathetic comments like that.
[TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]
[not interested in people starting flame wars, 2 day ban – weka]
This will be a very interesting election for sure.
Over on Stuff, theres frothing from the mouth regarding whether Little is toast
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/95260787
and the usual comments about how polling doesnt cover the cellphone generations. But I see support for the Greens has risen and Im unconvinced that a bunch of them went out and got landlines recently….
TOP may well be run by a bit of a cheque book nutter (still better that the previous elections cheque book nutter Colin Craig tho), and maybe he wont get to 5% but his policies dont look to bad to me.
And if in the unlikely event TOP was to get to parliament, I wouldnt see them siding with the Nats.
Meanwhile, in the real world where the media’s reach falls short….this party has caught the attention of this as yet undecided voter….
http://www.democrats.org.nz/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx
And when I say caught the attention of…I mean that literally.
Driving from the Far North through to Kaipara the other day the roadsides were blue with National hoardings. There was the odd Labour sign, and an occasional (and even odder) Green sign, but it was the sign promoting Chris Leitch, standing against the Two Shanes in Whangarei that stood out.
https://www.facebook.com/Chris.Leitch.Campaign/
Oh, and their policies are definitely worth consideration as well.
National, Labour, Greens, NZ First, Maori/Mana Parties?
Stale.
What’s that Bird on his Facebook – looks too big to be a kāhu – it’s not some eagle is it?
http://www.wingspan.co.nz/birds_of_prey_native_new_zealand_swamp_harrier.html
Thanks shoulder checked better
Meanwhile in the real world,RNZ finds the Auckland council cannot count.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/336143/akl-housing-builds-fall-well-short-of-target
Hide constructed the super city to fail, like Republican Congress created and passed a broken Obama care. Its what people who don’t believe in govt, neolibs, do. Failed on housing! Failed on public transport! Failed on national regional development!
If we are on track for a fourth term of National-dominated government, I think it’s worthwhile planning for the kind of activism that can survive the political trajectory that National is driving this country down.
We are used to equating “conservative” with the Conservative Party of Britain. But so much of our efforts within a fourth term of a National government will be to resisting change, retaining existing institutions from near-obliteration, and slowing the progress of damage. That pushes towards small-c “conservative” as a preferred mode.
Some may think that it’s too soon to start thinking like this.
I think it’s best to have a Plan B.
Is it all over? but we haven’t had the election yet.
You would be hard pressed getting a job in the MSM by being a Leftie.
Completely believe that.
Labour needs to distance themselves from the Greens in my opinion. They don’t seem to be a stand alone entity anymore and they re likely to get caught up in any murky waters stirred up by Gs. Therefore feeding the msm . Labour is already bleeding votes to the Greens and they need to reverse this. Little needs a radical approach, not a FRESH ONE. Something vibrant and reverberating. Lots of hard consonants. Everytime I hear ‘A Fresh Approach’ I think of the Cuddly ad and I nod off. I like the Labour Party and its policies. They are certainly for the ‘common people’ but I want to see a CHANGE not a FRESH APPROACH. I would like to see a succinct understandable Mission Statement of what Labour is going to do and how it is going to be achieved. No waffle. Just plain language that people like me can understand.
Alleluia to that!
It is not FPP its MMP. Why do people still think FPP after all these years, do they not understand MMP or what? I support and understand the Labour and Greens MoU so do the parties involved or else they wouldn’t have done it.
Epson split vote.Labour can have it’s candidates and Greens too. Split vote,local electorate Labour,party vote Green. Sure Little won’t be returned, Jacinda will be leader. So k why its okay for Epson to have two MPs,Goldsmith, Seymour and does the Green and Labour candidates get in on the list? That could mean four local MPs! Why should Labour voters not have more local representatives?
*groan* @popexplosion.
Are you seriously suggesting that Epsom Voters attempt to get all the parties electorate MPs in by electorate voting for the Labour candidate?
The best option for everyone but Act in Epsom is to vote for Paul Goldmsith for electorate, and party vote labour/green.
That way Seymour David will be out, and ACT will be spent as a political force.
No I was suggesting voters follow Epson, Maori, Poiriora? and also split vote.
+1 Louis
MMP for the win 😀
Green movement is the future, Green ideals have shaped the economy, and will continue. Sure distance Labour from that.
Why?
Yeah. Why! Ask Floyd. Labour Green split vote. Working together but not the same.
European Cities Are Reclaiming Public Services From the Private Sector
I’m sure that if we did the same sort of studies in NZ we’d also find that privatisation over the last thirty years has cost us more while providing less.
John key in the NZ Herald again with info about his interview by Australian broadcaster ABC.
Even now that he is out of Parliament John Key still will not admit what he did was wrong. He still, tries to make out it was all about her not being a National supporter that she went to the media. He is still the arrogant bully that still sees it as in his words “a bit of tom-foolery with the waitress, it was all very good-hearted”
‘I tugged it… I did some dumb things’: Key on ponytail pulling
31 Jul, 2017 2:21pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11897224
Yeah. Apparently she went to the media because she wasn’t a supporter of his, not because he kept doing it whenever he visited the cafe, despite being asked to stop.
Yes it really was a nutty thing to do. Good to see he can admit to that. It is a single blemish on an otherwise stellar business and political career.
Everyone makes mistakes. At least he owned up to his. A very admirable trait that is only amplified now with recent events.
While what he did was foolish I don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him by wearing her hair in a stylish French roll.
srylands, like Key, you’re still blaming the victim.
You “don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him” etc. Have you ever asked a victim why they did not act in a way that you think they should have?
What was the response?
A single blemish?
How about telling the media they would give someone a personal apology if they knew who they were over the mishandling of a rape allegation case involving a diplomat. Then when the brave woman gets her name suppression lifted he immediately back tracks on giving her that apology.
Or how about promising to get the bodies out of a certain mine and yet they are still in there to this day even tho independent experts have said it is safe to reenter, with only those paid by the mining company still saying it is unsafe. While that was going on he was also involved in bad mouthing one of the parents of the dead over text messages between him and a nasty attack blogger.
Those are just some of th many blemishes that have tarnished his Teflon coating while he was PM.
I could go on but someone posted a link a while back I would need to find that contains a very long list of them all and I have not got a few hours to read it all to highlight some of his many other blemishes.
It wasn’t nutty but imo creepy behaviour – high risk, sexual, misuse of power and massive unequal relationship, repeated, belittling and aggressive. It is good key is gone from politics.
…I don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him by wearing her hair in a stylish French roll.
You don’t know why someone would stand up to bullying instead of keeping quiet and trying to make themselves less of a target? I guess you wouldn’t…
I shudder to think what you’d have said if they’d found bodies in his basement.
While what he did was foolish I don’t know why the waitress did not thwart him by wearing her hair in a stylish French roll.
Lol, exactly, where was her brain, young people 🙄
obviously her hairstyle meant she was asking for it /sarc
No of course she wasn’t asking for it. I’m just saying a French roll would have sent a message. There is also a hygeine issue with pony tails around food.
So he wouldn’t stop when asked, but a hairstyle change would have got it through to him?
You’re a joke.
I don’t know why she didn’t stab him with a fork slyrants.
Srylands – this comment of yours @5:59 pm can’t be genuine, please reassure us you were just intending to flame and that there’s no way you can believe what you wrote. It’s just depressing to think that your world view is so corrupted as to prevent you from understanding that issue. Come on, mate, yours was a step too far.
Of course I understand the issue. Pulling the hair of waiting staff is unacceptable in any circumstances.
Absolutely.
So is an apology that blames the victim unacceptable.
So you understand half the issue.
Spot on, McFlock.
“”What happened was, there was a local café I went to, there was a bit of tom-foolery with the waitress, it was all very good-hearted, but in hindsight one of them wasn’t a big supporter of mine and went to the media,” Key told the station.
If that is meant to be an apology, then blaming the victim for not having the same sense of tom-foolery is not an apology.
It shows that he still doesn’t get it.
The point is the word “tom” in tom-foolery. It was a dominant male feral feline acting in that role.
Gareth Morgan had an answer for his type.
You are also spot on with your response.
The right asks for a reason why she took it to the media instead of the Police. Could the fact he would have had officers with him that did nothing and said nothing while he was doing it make her too nervous to do anything like slapping him and also make her not trust going to the police?
If he was an ordinary rich idiot that tried that on with out armed protection with him I think he might have received a slap.
Key makes out that it happened just once. Liar!
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