Please! Kill bing

Written By: - Date published: 12:59 pm, December 28th, 2013 - 34 comments
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Matthew Yglesias at Slate is speculating that Microsoft may kill the bing search engine. His logic is compelling. As the person responsible for running the operations of this site, all I can say is to kill it. Please Microsoft – let the pain of your ratshit spiders die away… It isn’t like anyone uses bing anyway.

Steve Ballmer’s run as Microsoft CEO hasn’t been great for Microsoft’s shareholders, but it’s been a boon to the world since his determination to pour money into an Online Services division that competes with Google on several fronts has given Mountain View a dose of competition. But Ballmer’s been more-or-less fired, and Microsoft’s board is supposed to appoint a new CEO next year.

Will Ballmer’s successor share his determination to go head to head with the king of search? If you were given the job, would you? I wouldn’t. Online Services has been a huge financial disaster for Microsoft. But if it goes away, then suddenly Google becomes a real monopolist.

 Google Search 247,205
 Yahoo Search 7,768
 Bing 5,055
 Google Image Search 5,044
 Google Mobile 1,651
 isearch.avg.com 1,168
 Ask.com 438

Just to point out exactly how little bing is used by the users of this site, this year to date wordpress referral stats for search engines on the right shows the interesting pattern. These are where a query was received at a search engine resulting in a jump to one of our pages or images.

Now admittedly we are not a site that bothers to chase overseas traffic via search engine queries. We’re a specialist political blog site concentrating largely in New Zealand. We’re interested in our advertising paying for our server costs and not trying to make a living off the site. With a country of just over four million people, the majority of whom only have a passing interest in politics, trying to make a living off a free public site would require us to put up a awful lot of non-political pap for people from offshore to find on their search browsers.

That is not us. We’re currently getting about 300 thousand unique users per year according to google analytics. The origin of their visits has 87% are from New Zealand, 3.5% from aussie, 1.9% from the US, 1.9% from the UK, and then it tails off into rats and mice.

Browser Visits New visits Bounce Pages/visit Avg Visit
Duration
1. Firefox 25.65% 26.53% 38.41% 3.34 00:07:58
2. Chrome 24.81% 18.63% 36.17% 3.85 00:09:05
3. Safari 22.63% 14.16% 38.98% 2.88 00:05:50
4. Internet Explorer 19.55% 21.07% 31.59% 3.31 00:06:56
5. Android Browser 3.02% 18.46% 41.26% 2.78 00:05:07
6. Safari (in-app) 2.00% 48.92% 69.50% 1.74 00:01:52
7. Opera 0.95% 22.09% 36.06% 3.46 00:08:56

But back to bing. Let us not forget that people actively change away from bing. Bing is the default search engine on Internet Explorer. Over this year IE was still the fourth largest browser accessing this site (I cut off when we hit rats and mice again). Of course it might be different in a more corporate environment than in a left political blog site. But I really don’t think so. We get a lot of traffic during work hours and it will be done from company machines.

Normally, I’d just ignore Bing in the same way that I do with yandex from yahoo, the chinese baidu spider, and most of the other multitudinous search engine spiders that crawl the site every day. They tend to obey the rules that we post for them to follow, and that Wordfence and some lower level anti-denial of service routines enforce.  Mostly those restrictions are there to catch and kill access to spambots.

There are exactly two services that because of good behaviour that I allow unfettered read rights to the site. They are google search engines and FeedBurner (now owned by google) for the RSS feeds. That is because the site tells them what is changed and new as it is updated and added, and when the best time to scan the site is and they follow it. Neither cause any peak loading on the site and mostly quietly run in the background of the site’s traffic to the target humans.

We provide exactly the same information to bing. But it acts like spambot, trying to suck down the entire 13,453 posts and 668,619 comments as fast as it can whenever it feels like – usually several times per month. It also seems to have a habit of trying to do it from several locations at the same time – some of which come from redmond and aren’t in their server lists. Over this past year when it hasn’t been constrained,  it hasn’t been abnormal for Bing to have days where it is more than a third of our daily load. These days I throttle it to a few handfuls of pages per minute.

It is quite costly for our site to support Bing because it is the only search spider that treats this site as a free resource – which it isn’t. It’s server side costs are so high for us to provide compared to the number of people using it that it is simply net vermin like the spambots. The sooner it dies, the happier I’ll be.

Does anyone here actually use the damn thing?

34 comments on “Please! Kill bing”

  1. infused 1

    Think your wrong on this.

    1) bing is tied to Facebook.
    2) Facebook hate google
    3) bing is tied to ms devices (xbox, phones etc)
    3) people don’t activly move away from bing. Chrome and other apps change the default search engine
    4) would you really want google being the only search,engine?

    also, while not as accurate, its far more advanced than google

    • QoT 1.1

      people don’t activly move away from bing

      From personal experience? If I’m being forced to use IE, and mis-type a URL, and it automatically directs me to a bing search page, I will in fact wilfully click back into the address bar and carefully re-type the URL instead of clicking on a bing result. I hate it that much.

    • lprent 1.2

      1) & 2) Who cares what search engine facebook prefers. We get referrals from facebook directly. It is a social media engine – not a search engine.

      Besides, here are the stats for the other referrals over the last year. Bing is less than all of them.


      Facebook 52,590
      kiwiblog.co.nz 18,160
      WordPress 15,835
      Twitter 15,684
      bowalleyroad 12,119
      nominister 11,482
      nzherald.co.nz 7,269
      tumeke 6,762
      norightturn 5,373

      Ummm reminds me. I must stop helping out The Daily blog with referrals. Getting less than 2k referrals back from them this year is not good. We’d usually do that to them in a week.

      3) bing is tied to ms devices (xbox, phones etc)

      The ms devices don’t register much. I suspect that they never will.
      Looking at mobile operating systems. Tablets were 10.92% of visits and phones were 9.83% and of the combination of both of those the operating systems were:-

      iOS 71.08%
      Android 27.04%
      Windows Ph 1.05%
      rats and mice...

      I think that the windows phones percentage has actually gone down over the past two years.
      xbox ? who uses that as a browser FFS? According to me it happened a good 252 times over the last year.

      3) people don’t activly move away from bing. Chrome and other apps change the default search engine

      They all ask. At some point the user makes a choice to change the default search engine.. That is a pathetic excuse.

      4) would you really want google being the only search,engine?

      No. But Yahoo is bigger in our referrals than Bing, and yandex is a hell of lot better behaved than bing’s atrocious net-vermin bots. In fact *every* other search engine bots are orders of magnitude better behaved than bings bots. It is better to have a lot of well behaved bots than a name brand corporate’s “highly advanced” and very badly behaved bots.

      • Naturesong 1.2.1

        think that the windows phones percentage has actually gone down over the past two years.

        Hmm, I’m seeing an uptick in fellow techies using Windows phone, specifically HTC.
        They’re cheap, and those who have picked them up have said good things about them (intuitive ease of use, functionality etc)

        Not sure how broad the uptick is though, may be limited to curious techies with spare cash trying out new gadgets.

        • lprent 1.2.1.1

          I like HTC phones myself with Android on. The biggest pan is finding phones that fit in the watch/coin pocket of my jeans which my current old HTC one V does.

          Since the start of september…

          iOS 68.51%
          Android 28.82%
          Windows Phone 1.34%

          Not a lot so far

        • RedLogix 1.2.1.2

          My link to the net at the moment involves a satellite, a secure VPN connection to a desktop, and a WiFi connection to a Nokia 925 Internet sharing on my own personal account.

          So far I’ve been pretty happy with it. I use a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard with it (one of the ones that pairs to multiple devices easily) and I can use it as a portable office.

          The other PC I’m using is an Intel NUC kit. Because there is always a decent screen available to me wherever I go, between the 925 and the NUC I’ve eliminated the clunky , security risk laptop. And because it’s 100% Windows I don’t need to bother crawling up yet another learning curve.

          Having said that, my browser is always Chrome and for that reason I rarely use Bing.

          • lprent 1.2.1.2.1

            Sounds like me when I’m out and about and needing to access servers (well without the sat? satphone?).

            Nexus7 tablet or laptop (I7 Win7 or DualCore ubuntu or Macbook) to HTC one V to cellnet. Then copper and ssh/vpn/sftp/nfs to access home server. Then copper and ssh/vpn/sftp/nfs from there to the server I actually want to access.

            It is a pain in the arse because while I’m using passphrase and keys for everything, I also restrict all servers to a very limited number of accessing IPs. So I use a locked down base server with several layers of authentication for any mobile access.

            Ummm now I think on it… Ok just upgraded my phone to a HTC one mini with 4G and a bigger data plan. Should arrive when I get back from down south. Should have done it before xmas so it was here before I left. Oh well….

            Plans are weird. What do I want with unlimited minutes of voice? I barely use 50 minutes a month now. Unlimited txts?

            Drop down to the lowest voice plan, add the extra prepaid GB of data that I run out of regularly. 3 GB data transfer on the phone should hold me for a while.

            Hopefully chorus will finally decide that fibre can be inserted into my apartment block in the new year which should reduce the latency a bit.. *sigh*

            • Ron 1.2.1.2.1.1

              I hope you don’t have the problems with Fibre I am facing. Living on a R.O.W. even though I am on street frontage I have to get signed approval from owners of all properties on the R.O.W. before I can have fibre. It doesn’t help that many of the other owners live somewhere in deepest China and have never been to NZ. Come New Year I will have to try and get some sense out of Chorus. If your apartments are Unit Title you may face same problem.

              • lprent

                Fortunately the rules for apartment blocks are somewhat simplier. The body corporate is able to make the decision for the owners. Since the costs are minimal to the apartment blocks, most of the aggravation is with Chorus and their process.

      • infused 1.2.2

        I’m not talking about The Standard, I’m talking in a general sense. Bing is so tied in to stuff it’s not funny. Specifically the new xbox and windows phones with voice commands.

        The facebook / bing deal is big money.

        Don’t get me wrong, I don’t use big either, because it’s so inaccurate, but you’re not going to see it disappear.

        • lprent 1.2.2.1

          Maybe not. However one of the jobs over this holiday is to find or write some code to start treating all bingbots and msnbots as being spambots. That means they will be prevented from reading the standard. I’ll send it back to their microsoft’s sites..

          If I do have to write it, then I’ll publish that plugin.

          • infused 1.2.2.1.1

            Why not just correctly direct the bots? What’s so hard? I’ve never had issues with them. It’s probably an issue with how you are handling the bots now.

            • Draco T Bastard 1.2.2.1.1.1

              He is correctly directing the bots – the MS bots are ignoring the directions. He said that in the bloody post so why don’t you learn to read.

              • McFlock

                maybe he’s saying that bingbots have the typical microsoft attitude of having rules that are different and frequently more convoluted than everyone else who does the same job, better.

      • David H 1.2.3

        I treat Bing with the same hatred that I reserve for other nasties like Babylon and Conduit’s Malware. I turn it off and remove it from all machines I repair, and yet the first update the machines do, and there it is back again Just like a bad smell.

      • lanthanide 1.2.4

        Actually yahoo is powered by bing. I’m surprised you didn’t know that. So effectively you can add those referrals together. It’s also another reason why Microsoft won’t want to kill it – it is bringing in some revenue for them.

        Secondly, like many internet services, popularity varies greatly via country. Bing is much more popular in the US than other countries.

        Finally, the use of Xbox to browse the internet is only going to grow, not shrink, with the release of the xbone. Trying to use a tiny, by net standards, NZ political blog as a barometer for worldwide user trends is laughable at best.

        • lprent 1.2.4.1

          I’m mostly interested in the effect of the bots. They’re still using the yandex bot (and for that matter the msnbots). So if they have cross connections in their own data they can keep bing updated…

    • Naturesong 1.3

      I change away from Bing.

      At first it was habit. I recognised this behaviour and decided to spend some time using bing to inform myself.

      I also work with a number of Microsoft products as part of my job (Enterprise infrastructure design – we’re mostly a MS shop, less than 10% of the stuff we do is Unix/Linux), I often (at least once a week) search technet and MSDN resources for white papers, documentation etc.
      I get better results using google to search microsoft sites – you’d expect that at the very least they’d be better at searching their own online presence wouldn’t you?

      I now change away from bing because I know it’s shit.

      • lprent 1.3.1

        I write libraries and frameworks for other programmers in a mostly architectural/pathfinder role on greenfield projects. It means that last week (an exceptional release week) I wrote, compiled code, and made installations for debian linux, windows XP, windows 7/8, OS/x 10.6-9, iOS, and some development code for Android 4. Plus wrote bash code on a build servers. It simply wouldn’t have been possible to run to schedule without google… I’ve tried virtually every search engine from stuff like altavista to baidu….

        The internet is part of my expanded brain these days and search tools are my hands. I spend several hours per day looking up everything from parameters to system level API’s to how other people solved structural issues.

        Google isn’t a particularly precise or sophisticated tool compared to something even like altavista from days of yore. What it is a really good tool at finding what is relevant. That is why people switch to it. It is the same reason why I use my own personal code editor (slickedit) across all of my development systems – it saves a lot of time (and I don’t wind up cursing the dumbarse editor in visual studio, the flakiness of eclipse, and the startling flaws of XCode).

        As you say. Google does a better job of indexing the MSDN than Bing does – which is good when I’m hunting a a half-remembered API call that I last saw reading Petzold in 1992. And I love how I can say something like “boost asio 1.43” and the first few items will contain the exact pages I need.

        But my biggest beef with Bing is how its bots interfere with the operation of this site

        • Naturesong 1.3.1.1

          Up until google came along altavista was my favourite. Especially for searching universities.

          I tried to go back a few years ago, but it wasn’t the same search engine after Yahoo bought it mangled it up.

    • Draco T Bastard 1.4

      3) people don’t activly move away from bing. Chrome and other apps change the default search engine

      /facepalm

      Because installing chrome and other apps isn’t active.

      • karol 1.4.1

        Surely there must be a way of removing bing from chrome. I’ve searched for instructions online, but the instructions I’ve found don’t work for me. Bing drives me crazy as google search just switches to bing automatically when using chrome.

        Edit: ah, I think I just removed it!

  2. Morrissey 2

    Bring back Netscape.

  3. RedBaronCV 3

    search with DuckDuckgo. Use phone with no pictures. Feel seriously undertechnicalised reading above

  4. Chris 4

    I managed to rid my computer of Bing easily enough but and there is always a but…

    This appears to be quite a techy story so I hope you don’t mind if I ask a question 🙂

    I need to purchase a new cell phone in the very near future, what I want to know is can you get rid of the apps that come with the phone.

    I only use the phone for texting and calls, I don’t want the bollocks stuff that the phone comes with it.

    Thank you in advance

    Edit: what has happened to the comments menu?

    [lprent: Getting an upgrade. The test server is broken so it is being done on the real site. Keeps getting interrupted by daft things like the washing machine splattering water and pretending to have a leak. ]

    • Lanthanide 4.1

      Any phone you buy is coming to come with a lot of pre-loaded ‘apps’ for things like maps, music etc. If it’s android, you can download ‘quarantine’ apps that would let you freeze / hide a lot of those things, but you can’t get rid of them completely. Not sure why you’d want to anyway – just don’t use them. Why get a smart phone if you aren’t going to use anything but txting and calling people anyway? Just get a dumb phone.

      On my phone it did come with a couple (only) of trial things, but again the quarantine app sorted them out from showing up at all.

      • felix 4.1.1

        tried “quarantine” app but it needs a rooted ph to be any use.

        what’s the name of the app you used?

    • Draco T Bastard 4.2

      what I want to know is can you get rid of the apps that come with the phone.

      If you get an Android device – yes but it’s capable of destroying the phone. You have to achieve root (Android is a offspring of Linux and root is the master administrator mode) which normally requires a rewrite of the code on the phone and if you use the wrong code or it’s bugged then your new phone become an expensive, but tastefully designed, brick.

      Besides, you can ignore the truly bollocks and use the other stuff that can be quite useful such as Maps.

    • Chris 4.3

      the changes look great

      • lprent 4.3.1

        Few rough edges still and I still have bugs in the (unseen) dynamic load replies tab. I’ll hopefully clean them up while I’m whiling away time in Invercargill.

        The new server looks pretty damn quick as well. Dumped two older and slower servers and put in one with a wider pipe and more grunt. Be interesting to see how the price goes on it (it had a boxing day kind of effects).

  5. Chris 5

    Lanthanide, I have very inquisitive grand babies who like pretty pictures etc.

    And besides I’m forever inadvertently clicking the google icon.

    I like simple things in life, all I want to do is make phone calls and type texts, the app technology is not required.

    Thank you all for your replies 🙂

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    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    6 days ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    6 days ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Another constitutional outrage
    Another day, another constitutional outrage in the UK. This time, the government is saying that if parliament passes a law to stop Brexit before being prorogued, they may just ignore it:A senior cabinet minister has suggested Boris Johnson could defy legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit if it is forced ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ending dairy in Canterbury
    Environment Canterbury has finally proposed nitrogen limits to stop dairy farmers from poisoning Christchurch's water supply. And naturally, farmers are whining about it:A proposed move by Environment Canterbury (ECan) to protect Christchurch's drinking water by setting tough – some would say, draconian – nitrate reductions in the decades ahead and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is National the party of climate arson?
    The Zero Carbon Bill is currently before select committee. While its targets are weak, its a generally sensible bill that promises to establish a long-term framework to guide emissions reductions. But National hasn't made up its mind on whether it will support it - and according to Andrea Vance in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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