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10:00 am, April 23rd, 2009 - 28 comments
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Interesting question over at Big News:
In 1998, just 10 years ago,the Prime Minister was paid $185,000. The speaker was paid $126,000. A Chairperson of a Select Committee got $86,500.
John Key gets more than all three combined in 2008. That’s not including his allowances. Is your position paid more than double it was 10 years ago?
That’s not a fault of the PM but the higher salaries commission. And he donates his salary anyway to charity. Whats the point of this article?
Not that it’s relevant, but do you have a cite for Key donating his entire salary?
This post, I guess, like any other piece of writing, is what you make of it. You seem to make a weird attack on Key out of it.
For me it raises questions about the HSC, what formula are they using, what does this tell us about what has been happening around income distribution, etc. Key hardly figures. Why would he?
Speaking of MP’s donating their salary, do you have any reference for “Sleepy” Sam Lotu Iinga donating his salary given his promise to do so because he is double-dipping with his Auckland City Council salary?
Something happened in the last 10 years. What was it?
Oh, that’s right we had a Labour government, the leader of which was very happy to accept a pay packet that should have made a true socialist blush and was happy that her pay had doubled since she came to power even though ordinary people’s pay had barely kept pace with inflation.
The point of this article is to say we have a greedy PM. He gets paid what he does as he was elected to the role and that is what the salary/perks are. The HSC I am sure would of had some input from HC over the years as she liked to influence things as PM.
Remember Tane, Key’s salary is a drop in the ocean to what he has earned before, so the point of this post is what…………… Maybe with a smaller amount of Union dues coming in you should be taking a pay decrease Tane.
I would love to know what Clark is getting paid at the UN, she claims she does not know, yeah right, when do you take a post without negociating remuneration etc. I bet the living away from home allowance is real high as well, although she will have the homely comfort with H2 around.
I am happy for the tax cuts to go in 2010 & beyond if need be, just as long as there are cuts to un productive peoples benefits.
Pay is between 145 – 160 USD.
Using .50 cross rate, it’s 320K NZ. Hardly a boost.
The listener had a good article about HC at UN. 5 billion budget is barely 80% of NZs health budget.
Kind of puts it in perspective.
Tax Cuts – no, not unless they apply to those under 40K. I had to do a reality check last week when my savings account went above 1k in barely a month just from not spending cos I don’t need to. That 1K would have been spent in under 5 minutes by those earning under 40K.
I’ve never been able to see the point in articles like this.
Helen was earning her 300K, but CEOs of SOEs were earning upwards of 500K.
Hell, Rob Fyfe gets 3mil a year.
So… whats the point of this article again?
If it’s to ask why the PMs salary has doubled in ten years… then fine. Just stop name dropping Key in it all.
It’s whats turning me off the left at the moment. It’s all JK this, JK that. National did it too with HC this, HC that.
Questions like this (whether warranted or not) do nothing constructive.
What is constructive is Nationals gerrymandering around the defence force option for 18 year olds..
I’d rather see it go a step further towards an end goal of all 17/18 year olds who leave school and are not going into work/training go into their choice of the three armed forces for a minimum 12 months period.
If they’re under 30, and are going onto a benefit for the first time, they go into the armed forces for a 12 month period.
The benefits are obvious: Skills training, boost our defence forces (people will be on standby, and people may like the forces and elect to stay after 12 months) less cost to the tax payer, less staff needed at MSD – perhaps move them to MoD.
More literacy, education and self worth and recognition while in the armed forces.
Unless you have a severe physical disability (deaf, blind, paraplegic, one legged etc) there’s no reason not to go through with it. People who claim “mental disability” should be examined thoroughly as it’s too easy to bark like a dog and claim you’re mentally ill.
Hmm… am I turning right?
So whats the point of this article again?
1. This is a valid question. That is a rate that is significantly above any cost of living increases or growth in wage rates. You’d have to ask what the rationale is to justify the expenditure by taxpayers.
2. BigNews isn’t exactly left.
3. Quite simply the right, especially the wingnuts, moved the focus of political debate to personal PR slogans eg Helengrad, Klark, etc. They need a lesson in “what goes around, comes around”
I find people who put the phrase metal disabilty in quotation marks are usually the same kind of people as those bastard generals who sat 30 miles behind the trenches and ordered shell shock cases shot in WW1.
Are you turning right? Yes. Scarily.
In this example Dee I used mental disability in quotes as I was referring to Victoria Stevens. Woof Woof.
How is that John key’s fault?
Oh that’s right, hes a rich white man.
I see that we have the wingnuts out in force… I guess that dave over a Big News touched a nerve
Again – don’t see the point of this article. What benefit is it?
and again the wingnut comment … get over yourself prent. stop slating everyone that doesn’t share your views.
You don’t have to accept the designation. It is my view, I can’t help if you take it personally.
When were the major changes to MPs allowances and their super scheme?
These used to add significantly to the baseline figure. At one point it was decided to get rid of these massive perks, and the salary was markedly increased that year. The superannuation of MPs who first entered Parliament after that time is now based on how much they put it (matched 2 or 3 to 1, I think) not automatically massive and for life after three complete terms.
2002 Graeme. PMs pay went from 205K to 300K and this was due to the inclusion of a lot of previous extra perks.
“3. Quite simply the right, especially the wingnuts, moved the focus of political debate to personal PR slogans eg Helengrad, Klark, etc. They need a lesson in “what goes around, comes around'”
Because if we know anything, it’s that two wrongs make a right. Way to prove a point by sinking to their level. Didn’t it occur to you that them sounding like idiots then might give some indication to how you would sound now?
What Daniel said.
It is my opinion. If you read the about you’ll find that is how the site is operated. While there are people who probably disagree with my opinion or tactics – then they can operate in whatever way they want. If people don’t violate the policy (essentially don’t act like a troll), then they can say what they like.
Didn’t dispute your right to say it at all. My point still stands however.
This time last year I would have agreed with you. However, working in an office stuffed full of National voters and listening to how the wingnut malevolence began to shape their views and their stated reasons for voting National, its more a matter of fighting fire with fire rather than two wrongs making a right.
I must say, the right can dish it out but they don’t like it up ’em.
When you consider their responsibilities, top ministers and the PM are grossly underpaid.
And yeah, what Graeme says too.
Has a National Secretary role in a Union been fixed to what it was 10 years ago?
Just to clarify, this post was not intended to attack John Key personally. Hell, I’m quoting a right-wing blog. I just found it interesting that PM’s pay has outstripped the average worker’s by so much over the last decade. I’m also aware the PM does not set his or her own pay.
Right, as you were.
Would you have made the same comment of clark or goff was PM?
Yeah, I don’t imagine why not. In case you haven’t noticed I’m quite frequently critical of Labour.
Actually I don’t mind what the MP’s are paid. It is a tough job and somebody has to do it. 🙂 In some other countries where MP pay is minimal, the likelyhood of being open to bribery is very high. (But I don’t know where Phillip Field fits in here.)