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Regurgitating rubbish

Written By: - Date published: 9:04 am, April 2nd, 2009 - 10 comments
Categories: Media, national, spin, tax - Tags:

On his blog Colin Espiner rejects the argument that National’s tax cuts are “unfair because they give more to those who earn more” saying “I’m afraid that’s the nature of progressive taxation”.

That’s what National politicians say too. It’s wrong.

There are infinite tax cuts one could devise that don’t give more to the well off. Cut the bottom rate or move up the bottom threshold and everyone – at least, everyone who earns at least as much as the top of the bottom bracket – will get the same size cut. In fact one could make tax cuts that only go to people on low incomes by having a negative tax or tax credit that gets smaller as income gets higher.

Repeating National’s spin doesn’t make it true.

Nic W

10 comments on “Regurgitating rubbish ”

  1. BLiP 1

    Colin Espiner, again, spouts National spin without the benefit of independent thought or analysis. He popped up here the other week pleading he wasn’t a National Party cheerleader – well, what else can he be in this instance when he backs the policy by making factually incorrect statements?

    Fuck the MSM!

  2. r0b 2

    There are infinite tax cuts one could devise that don’t give more to the well off.

    Labour didn’t go that far, but their package, which National cancelled, was a much better one for low income earners – see here, here, here and here.

    By the way Colin, if you happen to sop by, you might enjoy another recent post on National cancelling their tax cuts:

    Happy tax cut day?


    Do you have any kind words for Dr Cullen now perchance?

  3. infused 3

    BLiP, again, spouts crap at The Standard. Same lines over and over, every post. You’re starting to get very boring.

    Anyway, that is the nature of tax cuts. WFF was bought in to service those on low incomes. Tax cuts are never going to really benefit those who pay bugger all tax.

    You lefties seem to be getting up in arms over this. Kind of like Paul Henry. Yawn. Anyway…

    There are better ways to help low income earners. In that sense, people should stop attack the tax cuts.

    • BLiP 3.1

      1 – Espiner repeated the National Party spin

      2 – A moment’s investigation would have proved the spin false

      3 – Espiner has in the past tried to say he wasn’t a cheerleader for the Nats

      4 – This time he backs the spin with false information

      What, exactly, is crap about that?

  4. Monty 4

    My tax bill last year was massive – organisations were prepared to pay me well for skills I have. I worked bloody hard and I have no problem with being allowed to keep a very small additional proportion of that income I earned. I still continue to pay way way more than my share of tax. In addition my wife works hard and pays a lot of tax as well. In order to keep productive people like my wife and I in New Zealand the government is correct to lower taxes for thos who earn the most. The alternate may be that NZ would otherwise lose all the tax that we pay as we take our skills to another country.

    Tax cuts are also about more than you mantra obout the rich / poor divide – it is about incentivising people to look after themselves, keep their skills in NZ, creating ambition, and stimulating the economy. The truth is that most people switch off when the left moan about no tax cuts for the poor.

    Well the poor don’t pay any bloody tax – they just take. Bugger them – I am sick of paying for the poor who can’t manage what they have regardless – I want to keep more of the money I earn and so richly deserve.

    • r0b 4.1

      My tax bill last year was massive – organisations were prepared to pay me well for skills I have.

      So you keep telling us. Over and over and over again. Over yourself get.

    • tommy onions 4.2

      Well Monty how great for you that you have skills the market is prepared to pay you well for. You didn’t acquire those skills in a social vacuum nor do you use them in one.

      The poor do pay tax – even benefits are taxed; my 83 year old mother pays tax on her superannuation which is barely enough to keep body and soul together and which the State claws back if she is in hospital for more than 13 weeks- as it does with all other ‘benefits’.

      Let’s hope that someone meaner, faster, sneakier than you doesn’t stamp on your face or fingers as they clamber up the ladder of ‘success’ – and cause you to lose your grip on your place in the scheme of things and slide down into the realms of the poor.

      Actually I hope someone does, if only so you’ll get to know how it feels to be poor and have some smug arsehole accuse you of being indigent and useless.

  5. randal 5

    hey look guys
    I’m afraid it is the nature of infantile psychosis to keep repeating something and asking others to beleive it is true
    it is a tactic employed by criminal politcal parties whose name cannot be mentioned on here but their premier practitioner was one doctor goebbekls
    I apologise for the circumlocution but call ing a spade a spade seems to have gone out the window these days

    • BLiP 5.1

      I’m afraid it is the nature of infantile psychosis to keep repeating something and asking others to beleive it is true

      You mean National’s Crosby/Textor orchestrated chanting that the tax cuts are fair? The same vomit Espiner is regurgitating? Certainly it appears infantile, but its not, and nor is it psychotic. Its actually carefully crafted, massively expensive PR spin that seeps into indolent MSM and out into the community; the gradual usurping of truth.

      Try not to be fooled.

  6. Observer 6

    Fair is such an interesting word. The Oxford English Dictionary offers . . .

    Fair • adjective 1 just or appropriate in the circumstances. 2 treating people equally.

    What is certain is that a progressive tax regime will never, or will always, meet option 2. Always, because the amount of tax liability for any two people with identical circumstances will be equal; never, because those in the higher earning brackets of the system will pay a higher overall percentage of their income in tax than those in the lower brackets.

    What is equally certain is that determining if a proposed change in taxes is fair under option 2 will always be a matter of individual judgement, because what is ‘just’ or ‘appropriate’ is a matter solely of judgement.

    There can be no better determination of the fairness or otherwise of the current government’s 1/4/09 changes to the tax regime, than there can be to the last government’s decision to refund tax to people with ‘children’ who work. AS A RESULT this is a topic of pure political ideology, and not one of fairness or otherwise. Political ideologies are different between the left and right, and – by definition – always will be, so what is the purpose of such a post?

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