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Written By: - Date published: 6:25 pm, April 5th, 2011 - 87 comments
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National Cabinet

Actually Phil Goff has it right – these clowns should resign – all they seem to be able to do is screw the economy and cut juicy public-money deals for their mates.

Oh yeah, and photo ops. Can’t forget the photo ops.

87 comments on “RESIGN ”

  1. higherstandard 1

    You want them to resign…… and call an early election………. really ?

    • IrishBill 1.1

      Where did I say election? I said “resign”, you fool. As in pack their bags and leave politics for good. Clearly they’ve failed on the increases in literacy they were promising too.

      • Armchair Critic 1.1.1

        Hang on, would that mean the next few people on the 2008 National list would come into parliament?  People that were lower on the list and presumably even less talented than that Gilmore bloke?  There’s a scary thought.

      • higherstandard 1.1.2

        Don’t call me a fool……..you’re the one who supports an opposition so feeble that they’re unable to gain any traction against the current pack of dweebs.

        • IrishBill

          Find me one statement I’ve made that uncritically supports Labour. Ever.

          • J Mex

            To be fair, higherstandard didn’t say you uncritically supported Labour, just that you supported them.

            • lprent

              I don’t think he does. Last election he said he was going to vote for the Workers party.. Probably did waste his vote that way as well.

        • burt

          Hang on, would that mean the next few people on the 2008 National list would come into parliament?

          No, don’t be silly there are no rules to actually follow here. National also cherry pick their list and we can have a line of fresh faces for the popularity contest in November.

          • ianmac

            And the next on National List has to be approved and a right of veto is available.
            Labour goes straight to the next on the List and asks the person who has the option, but no veto.

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox 1.2

      Given the turmoil in the Maori party and the coming budget and the bad news that keeps on coming, I can see why Key must be regretting his December election decision. Even an early poll won’t save him though- in Auckland the tide turned last October during the council elections- the C and R candidates had no policies to promote and no where to hide. I’m pretty sure it will be the same in ChCh and Welly. Soon Key won’t have anywhere left to go.

      • felix 1.2.1

        Hounded out of the cities like the dogs they are.

        • Colonial Viper

          Hounded out of the cities like the running dogs they are.

          Just a slight mod to give it a more classical feel 🙂

  2. gobsmacked 2

    Actually a pretty smart headline-grabber from Labour.

    Key wants the media to focus on celebs, royals, photo ops – and Labour’s stuff-ups. In fact, anything *except* the government’s handling of the economy.

    Sure, Key could call an election.  But he’d damage Brand Key, and lose at least 5% in the polls overnight – for many reasons (e.g. broken promise, exploitation of tragedy, and no faith in the All Blacks!). He’d also risk losing ACT and the Maori Party, who need a lot more recovery time.

    So Key gets to look like a blow-hard (“Bring it on … no, I didn’t mean it!”). And more importantly, the media suddenly remember what matters … the economy, the economy, the economy.

  3. The amount they’ve sunk on the SCF bailout is incredible, not to mention the tax cuts for the rich, the ETS, the attacks on workers’ rights, the stealth privatisation, the personal corruption…
    yup. resign. if the rump of National and its new MPs can form a government, let them see out the term. If no government can be formed, election.

    • Herodotus 3.1

      And if Nat in bulk resigned what are we left with ???
      The current front benches from Labour are the same who failed to delivered  for NZ, and what was was just smoke and mirrows as to how boom days, nothing to build the foundations of NZ on.
      NZ travelled further into debt than ever before, and what is the solution . For Kiwis to stop spending and to reduce debt, but that causes a reduction in NZ economic activity
      As even an ex labour supporter has come out to say that we need to spend less. There is a cost to this policy, that I frankly cannot see those in either party having the ability to manage, as this will cost those who vote with their back pockets, especially as families with wage earners in the top tax bracket are just holding on, so who is there to tax? Even the Greens think only of the PAYE worker for additional revenue for the govt e.g.
      So then Marty who can even understand the question let alone have any idea to an answer?? Not the big 2 that is for sure and from the link above I more than wonder about The Greens.

      • Pascal's bookie 3.1.1

        So what do you reckon herod?

        • felix

          Can you actually read those?

        • Herodotus

          PB when I see a party with something that can take NZ forward then left or right I will give them my vote. But currently there are none, so I end up voting for who can do the least damage !!! 
          How can Lab help the midle class those in real need, remove GST of F&V and still allow for total NZ debt reduction? They cannot just like progressing UP the OECD rankings or Getting closer to Aussie. Just tired rhetoric
          Just watch our non tradeable inflation go way beyond any wage increases. And this from DTB does not help.

      • Marty G 3.1.2

        what would you cut? We do have to live within our means, yes, but the way to do that is to tax according to our spending – as we were until two years ago. We’ve borrowed money partially because of a cyclical downturn (which is when you are meant to borrow, which is what Labour saved up for during the good times) but also because we’re having to borrow to fund the tax cuts for the rich.
        btw, the Greens’ levy raises 40% of its money by reversing the corporate rate cut that came in last week and the rest by partially reversing tax cuts for the wealthiest Kiwis that they have enjoyed over the past three years. I seem to recall they were happily wealthy before those cuts.
        Oh, and the day I base my fiscal views on what Owen Glenn has to say is a dark day.

        • Herodotus

          Marty- The govt debt is only 1 aspect of the position we are in, how about local bodies, in the case I know of Auck Council and their CCOs have huge debt, serviced by the rate payer. Nice to see rates in Auck now projected for 5.3% increase. the rate/tax payer is dry and unable to be milked. Some of the tax cuts that benefit “some” are partially reclaimed by GST. Reintroducing the 39% rate is not the magic bullet, strenghtening tax rules whilst great and much needed is not a source of revenue in these tough times.
          Re O.G some may not like him, but I agree with him and many others we have to a plan to reduce all aspects of debt, at a LTCCP for Man City I asked what plans where there for debt reduction the response was that MCC was introducing new measures to increase their debt by adjusting their financial ratios. no idea of reducing. this is systematic of how NZ is travelling, no thought of tomorrow and the consequences. Poor current account that is on going = reduced living standards.
          What would I cut =Who will be honest and comment regarding retirement age has to increase as we cannot afford 65 anymore, university has to be for the elite of mind, not for everyone, int free student loans are not ongoing affordable (better that than reduced healthcare) petty cash stuff but private school funding is 1, only buy bottles of wine costing less than $200 (2011 CPI !!! that will keep Mickey S happy !!!). Ther has to be some tough decisions but delaying making them will be more costly.

          • Marty G

            poor current account is a problem. look at what caused it – first think big, then neoliberalism. we borrowed, gutted our manufacturing, sold our assets, and then had to buy everything from overseas. The current government is both Think Big (Joyce) and neoliberal  slash and burn(English).
            We have one of the lowest top tax rates and least-taxed wealthy classes in the developed world. It is no coincidence that our slide as a country into indebtedness has been associated with 25 years of tax cuts for the rich (except for a nine year partial reversal). It has all been about cashing in the wealth of the country and giving it to the elite.
            Yup, the retirement age must go up over time.
            No, we do not want to charge for tertiary education. You say yourself it has to be for the elite of the mind, well why make ability to pay a barrier then? I support free uni with tougher entry requirements. I also support free non-uni tertiary. How are we meant to get ahead as a country if we won’t invest in education?
            agree on private schools and expensive plonk.

            • Herodotus

              Marty do not disagree with anything you have said wee issue with. “It is no coincidence that our slide as a country into indebtedness has been associated with 25 years of tax cuts for the rich (except for a nine year partial reversal). ” as ther ewere other means those att he top of weath tree were given other measures to esape contributing to the govts tax revenue. Having a low top tax bracket is one thing collecting from the wealthy is another. 
              Re  “..least-taxed wealthy classes..” we also have a very nieve idea of this class. As teachers and the such like are caught up in this class 
              And on aside for me our tax brackets are too bunched within a very narrow income range, which also causes issues with welfare/wff etc as to entitlements with those not entitled can end up with a lower diasposable income than those that are entitled, all other things being equal.  Interesting with Aussie top rate given that also there is no benefit of trusts and so the trust issue is not applicable over there.

      • burt 3.1.3

        I think Glenn is absolutely right. By and large we are living above our means. Our consumer debt levels are testament to that.
        The more I understand Glenn’s politics the more I like him. I think we should consider his views thoroughly.
        In hindsight I think it’s a pity we never made him transport minister  -:)

        • Colonial Viper

          I think Glenn is absolutely right. By and large we are living above our means. Our consumer debt levels are testament to that.

          Yeah ongoing wage suppression has meant that families have had to turn to debt in order to fund the lifestyles they have been promised by politicians, by retailers, by banks, by watching TV, and by looking at how the wealthy few live it up.

          • burt

            Ongoing wage suppression… right so you acknowledge that having static tax thresholds for 9 years while fiscal drag reduced peoples real incomes over time as the govt was awash with cash paying off it’s own debt was a form of wage suppression.

            Well done CV – here was me thinking your were to one-eyed to see the damage over taxation caused.

  4. The more I think about it, the more a snap election makes sense for the gnats – it stops the political erosion they are already experiencing – shit key has been booed already. It bolsters the maori party and attempts to cut the legs off Hone’s new left Maori Party.

    the politicians calls to resign may end up being like the urban legend where the last thing people say before they are shot is, “Go on, I bet you haven’t got the guts”

    • gobsmacked 4.1


      No. A snap election totally undermines Brand Key. It’s counter to all his perceived attributes. Calm leader in these troubled times … turns out to be a petulant liar. He would spend the campaign saying “I know I said November, but – um, these promises are different, you can trust me.”

      Major public backlash. Plus, he misses the Royal Wedding!

      • marty mars 4.1.1

        Yeah I forgot about the wedding.

        • richard

          I would absolutely LOVE it if Key had to miss the wedding. Such a photo opportunity wasted. I’m sure he is still pissed off at missing meeting the Queen last year. Wasn’t it the first Chch earthquake that made him (eventually) cancel his trip to Buckingham Palace? Or was it Pike River? Some annoying crisis anyway.

          P.S. I don’t wish for another crisis that causes lots of suffering for people – we’ve definitely had enough of those.

    • burt 4.2

      I agree with marty mars, I think National would be seen to be showing it had balls, snap election on a radical budget package. Go for it I say !

  5. RedLogix 5

    Oh Irish…. I think you just have leadership ambitions.

  6. Key is playing politics again.

    I suspect that his intent was to obliterate the discussion on SCF which is an absolute scandal.  Talk about an election nicely sidesteps the need to explain what went wrong.

    There needs to be more digging on this issue.

  7. Carol 7

    And listening to Key’s responses on the radio on my way home tonight, I found his clown, deflection & diversion act insulting & unbecoming of a PM.  He just makes jokes about Cunliffe using SCF to make his pitch for leadership of the party, and makes slams at Labour starting the Deposit Guarantee scheme, and about calling a snap election.  I also see in response to Annette King asking him to go to a food bank with him & hear what people say, Key just made a joke about not wanting to hang around anywhere with King.

    “But I will say that my experience in being involved in organisations that give food parcels shows that a lot of them do have a system where they don’t allow people to have too many in a certain time – they do not want to build dependency.”
    Ms King asked Mr Key whether he would go with her to visit a food bank so he could listen to the people who worked on the front line.
    He said he regularly visited social services and he didn’t want to “hang around” with Ms King at any time.

    Key is lowering the status of PM to a song & dance act.  And when is the MSM really going to hold him and his cabinet to account on issues that are serious and urgent for many Kiwi battlers?!!!

    • Peter 7.1

      When the going gets tough he does not hesitate to play the man instead of the ball. Not in the Obama class is he?

    • gobsmacked 7.2

      “my experience in being involved in organisations that give food parcels …”

      Somebody (Mallard?) immediately interjected “What experience?”. So did I, listening to the radio.

      As usual, Labour (King) missed the obvious follow-up to Key’s bullshit. They just can’t think on their feet. Happens all the time.
      And I was waiting for … “Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a cockroach”. Or a can of pet food. TV news headline, guaranteed. Sure, Lockwood wouldn’t like it. But it’s not about him, is it?

      Is there nobody in Labour who has any grasp of media 101? Frustrates the hell out of me.

      • RedLogix 7.2.1

        As usual, Labour (King) missed the obvious follow-up to Key’s bullshit.
        Yeah they do miss Michael Cullen. Love or loath him… the Nats feared him.

      • Jasper 7.2.2

        Frustrates me too.

  8. Pascal's bookie 8

    He’s aged in office though. Looks like a young Monty Burns in that picture.

    • Tanz 8.1

      To be fair, he is three years older. Meanwhile Mr English improves with age. Who is this Monty?

      • felix 8.1.1

        He’s the former chair of the 2025 taskforce: http://arseh.at/5r3

      • Marty G 8.1.2

        keen on a bit of double dipton, eh, tanz? The nicest thing you can say about Bill’s face is it can take a punch.

        • Tanz

          He just happens to have a nice face, rather James Cagney like/good solid looks. Credit where credit is due. Nice suit, as well. Polishes up fine. This does not mean I fancy him, just saying it as it is. He’s probably the best looking of the older Nats, and fairly brainy, too. Obviously. You don’t get to be where he is by being dumb. Still think he’d be a very good PM, but this won’t happen. He just doesn’t have the X-Factor in the popularity stakes, surprisingly. Key will get a very long go, by the looks of things.

  9. Mrhappy 9

    ummm, can John-John actually change the date of the election now he’s called it?  (honest query)

    • Marty G 9.1

      yup. he can tell the g-g the day will be different. no election writ has been issued, I don’t think. And they could certainly issue another one bringing the date forward if they wanted.
      unprecedented though.

  10. The Voice of Reason 10

    I wonder if this is going to be a turning point for Key. Playing the snap election card is usually costly electorally (think Gillard and Muldoon). If Goff calls his bluff, what does Key do? If he goes now, ACT and the Maori Party would be decimated, Dunne rolled and National will almost certainly lose seats as well. Plus Goff looks strong for rising to the challenge.

    And on a related matter do I get a chocolate fish for this prescient entry in the caption contest?

    • felix 10.1

      Yeah you do!
      As for Goff rising to the challenge, hmmm that’s the sticky bit. Does he seem like a risk-taker to you?

      • The Voice of Reason 10.1.1

        Nope, he’s clearly not wired that way, but, but …
        Imagine him walking out onto the steps of parliament tomorrow , team behind him in the morning sun with arms folded like it was a Warriors photo shoot, and says to NZ ‘the PM says he’s ready to go, well, we’re more than ready to go. We accept. John Key, I dare you to call an early election.’

        Instant spine.

        And at least Labour have got their electorate candidates sorted and the list nearly there. The Nats are weeks behind in the electorates and haven’t even started the work on the list. If Goff wants to fight on his own terms and set the agenda, now’s the time.

        • felix

          I’d love to see that.
          Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

          • The Voice of Reason

            Refusing to go early after being taunted by Cameron about it for months helped lose Gordon ‘Bottler’ Brown an election. Key can’t say no if Goff acts fast. If Key backs out, it’d be like Cartman trying to get out of the fight with Wendy Testaburger. And we all know how well that ended for Eric, eh.

            • D-D-D-Damn !

              Refusing to go early after being taunted by Cameron about it for months helped lose Gordon ‘Bottler’ Brown an election.

              Absolutely. Brown losing his bottle completely turned the polls around. Destroyed the poll bounce he’d received as new PM. All downhill from then on. Partly due, I think, to a somewhat indecisive personality. (I believe he’s an INTP, for those who know their Briggs-Myers personality-types).

    • U 4 United 10.2

      Goff rises like a dead goldfish.

  11. Tanz 11

    As if. Do turkeys ever vote for Christmas? No PM in their prime ever resigns, now, do they. Will National ever be led by a woman again? National. It’s all about the men.

  12. Kaplan 12

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many shit-eating grins in one picture.
    You see that NZ, you are a joke to this lot.

  13. The body lanuage is interesting with bills full leg spread dominance and keys protect the genitals leg cross with double fist.

    And key looks like muldoon in that photo to me.

    • Carol 13.1

      And Simon Power looking at the door out of the corner of his eye: probably thinking, “how can I get away from these jerks”.

      • Gina 13.1.1

        I find it odd Carol the nice comments about Simon Power considering the damage he has done to our legal system. Trials of activists in secret before a judge. The search and surveillance bill which is worse than anything they have in the USA. Why do the Labour party like him? How can you like someone who has done that amount of damage to our democracy.
        I would say Simon Power is going because he’s achieved his objectives of writing us a new police state in the bills proceding throught the house and hes off to claim his reward from the US elites who want this obscenity. Perhaps he’s going to dodge the public anger when these bills pass and people find out just how bad they are.
        Some people here talk about him as if he were Santa or not as bad as the rest of them. He’s a traitor in my estimation and anyone who gives him any credence for what he has done is either a fool or also a traitor to our democracy. We have already had Rodger Douglas. How many more Labour globalist plants are there in the labour party? Did Helen Clark have to fend them off for all those years?
        This is a strong comment but in my mind an appropriate one.

    • higherstandard 13.2

      Who’s copping a double fist ?

    • toad 13.3

      Key looks increasingly like Muldoon as every day goes past.
      I’m just waiting for him to get a scar on his cheek and get caught rooting around in Ngaio.

  14. Red Rosa 14

    What must be disturbing to the National Party hierarchy, who will soon have to get the vote out, is how little this government has actually delivered to the thousands of ‘middle of the road’ NZ voters. The election gets closer by the week, and what have they to campaign on?

    Sure, they have delivered to a small, vocal, National base. The SCF debenture holders got paid out. Private religious schools got another $30m when ECE got massive cuts. Farmers got ECan trashed when they wanted more water and less regulation.  The really high income earners got tax cuts and no CGT. The hardline social conservatives got the 3 strikes etc. 

    But add all these up, and how many votes do they represent? 

    What can NACT really say to the average Kiwi family except  ‘hard luck, guys’? We are reducing your wages and conditions of employment, while prices rise as well as GST – get used to it.

    Not an easy sales message.

    No wonder they need all the hype and celebs they can muster.

    • Draco T Bastard 14.1

      What can NACT really say to the average Kiwi family except  ’hard luck, guys’? We are reducing your wages and conditions of employment, while prices rise as well as GST – get used to it.

      Well, at least John Key did actually campaign on lowering wages.

  15. PeteG 15

    Sounds a bit desperate. I thought there were supposed to be more important issues that needed attention – is this it? A farcical stunt?

    • IrishBill 15.1

      Farcical stunt? Are you talking about the cycleway? Or letterman? Or using the earthquake to try to get on Oprah?

      • PeteG 15.1.1

        Labour’s desperation to attract away from their line-up revamp (they actually had some ok press today), and National’s inability to rise above the stupidity. The country deserves better from both. I guess WP and the Greens will be happy.

        • IrishBill

          Okay, so you mean shit you made up. I’ve noticed you right wingers tend to lapse into general anti-politician rhetoric when your side is tested but left bashing when it’s the other side that’s looking a bit stretched. Not really very intellectuality honest if you ask me. More sneaky and cowardly really.

          • PeteG

            My side on this is a thoroughly fucked off public. If this leads to a snap election expect both National and Labour to be caned. It’s a pity there’s bugger all to fill the gap. It’s childish nonsense escalating into pathetic nonsense egged on by fwits.

            • IrishBill

              My side on this is a thoroughly fucked off public.

              Right, you’re the everyman, the voice of the people, joe public, the man on the clapham omnibus, the very fucking apex of the fucking bell curve, you’re the vox populi, you’re the goddamn aeolian breeze, the jedi force itself.

            • Colonial Viper

              What, a public that’s thoroughly fucked off that Bill blew another $300M while telling everyone else that they have to stomach cut backs and layoffs?
              Given that understanding PeteG, I think I know who the electorate is going to hand a caning to.

    • The Voice of Reason 15.2

      Questions, questions. So very many questions, Pete!
      I guess taxpayers dollars being blown by wasteful governments doesn’t bother you. If the CEO and CFO of any large business blew millions of dollars against the regular and repeated advice of the most senior advisors available, they’d be asked to resign too. So why shouldn’t this lot take responsibility for their actions?

      • PeteG 15.2.1

        If politicians had to resign whenever someone claims they’ve stuffed up….who’s the leader of Labour again?

        • The Voice of Reason

          Just to be clear, you’re OK with that level of performance? The wilful loss of millions at a time of deep financial crisis? Perhaps you could give it a rating out of ten to simplify things. As a Finance Minister Bill English is a …

  16. Samuel Hill 16

    The pathetic response to public ager by all parties should result in unrest at the Rugby World Cup while media attention is on us. I’m hoping it does.

    • Draco T Bastard 16.1

      ZOMG, someone found a use for the RWC. One that I find I can be supportive of. 😀

  17. M 17

    So Phil has finally got his dander up – all well and good but what he needs to do is get pitbull mean with this sorry bunch of SOBs who appear to have the collective IQ of a rice bubble.

    Tonight on Campbell Live, Darryl Evans from the budgeting service was really reaming the government on how useless they were and mentioned again he was going to meet Useless Bennett. I really don’t think she’ll have the guts to front. In addition there was an item on how a woman turned herself from a junk food addict into a more health-conscious person but said that eating five plus a day caused her grocery bill just for fruit and vegetables to treble. Hear that NACT? It costs lots of crisp green folded ones to be healthy. 

    The photo they’re posing for looks like some sad-arse Scientology meeting which might explain a lot of their so-called policy formation.

  18. chris73 18

    What is it with this Labour party? I’ve mentioned this before but as soon as they look to gain some traction someone opens their mouth and shoots themself in the foot.
    If Goof had said nothing Labour might have been able to make something of SCF but nooo he has to one-up his own people
    Seriously its like a captain in a cricket test saying “my bowlers declare”

  19. kriswgtn 19

    Shhhuuussshhh you lot Key is watching Desperate Housewives ,its the only time he does nothing 😛

  20. Rob 20

    The thing that gets me about this situation is how did these finance companies boom like the way they did under the labour term.  I keep reading about how Hotchin etc are loathed by the bloggers here , but how is it that they had their glory days under a Labour Govt. 

    Why did the investement environment allow these companies to get into these positions that required us to eventually bail them out.  Everyone saw the train wreck that was happening, advice was comming from all over the place that these finance companies were not able to keep trading within their governance and yet the government of the time sat back and did nothing.  The net result is that billions of savings have been eroded and the costs to the people of NZ is massive. 

    These key questions need to be asked.  The clean up is massive, however that was jointly agreed by all concerned , I think the true and insightful question is how did the mess eventuate in the first instance.

  21. Don 21

    This Govt doesn’t deserve the respect of the vote nor my respect as a NZer who has a history of being in this country long before this jerk of a Prime Minister.
    This has been an unnecessary break  from a Labour Govt.Lets hope it will be over this year for a bloody long time

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