RIP the Alliance Party

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1. Chooky 1

   27 May 2015 at 7:40 pm

   +100 Good Post…My Father jumped from the New Zealand Labour Party to the Alliance…after voting Labour all his life… He was a working man on the railways, in the freezing works, in insurance, in the fishing industry and a farmer…the Alliance represented him and other New Zealand working men and women
2. weka 2

   27 May 2015 at 7:44 pm

   I’ve always wondered if things would have gone differently had Anderton not come out of retirement in 1994. He retired for family reasons and said he wouldn’t be coming back. Had he stuck to that the Alliance might have remained a potent alternative to Labour.
   • mickysavage 2.1

     27 May 2015 at 7:46 pm

     Agreed 100%. Anderton was not a leftie and his insistence on retaining control was really problematic.
     • weka 2.1.1

       27 May 2015 at 7:51 pm

       I’d be interested to hear from anyone why they were so keen to get him back. They had some great people apart from him.
     • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2

       27 May 2015 at 7:53 pm

       Anderton was/is an Old Socialist who believes in capitalism first and being nice to everyone second.
     • Ergo Robertina 2.1.3

       27 May 2015 at 9:04 pm

       An ungracious and churlish comment.
       Anderton’s faults can never take away the fact the Party left him – not the other way around. Whatever he lacked he was undoubtedly a ”leftie”, securing actual gains in a time of total economic capitulation for the left; heard of Kiwibank?
       • weka 2.1.3.1

         27 May 2015 at 9:14 pm

         are you talking about Labour or the Alliance?

         Leftie is relative, which is the point of my comment and micky’s and Draco’s. Had Anderton not made a comeback, the Alliance might have been able to make a stand for the left given that Labour were unable to.
       • mickysavage 2.1.3.2

         27 May 2015 at 9:20 pm

         Sure the party left Anderton. But I never saw him as being the left wing saviour of NZ politics. Tim Shadbolt would have been a better choice.

         I suspect I have fixed views because of a meeting when I was 17 and Anderton …
         • Ergo Robertina 2.1.3.2.1

           27 May 2015 at 9:34 pm

           OK fine. For myself, I tend not to have fixed views on people; I try to give credit where it’s due and I don’t seek gurus or saviours.
           As you acknowledge he was left on his own by the party, which went on its own destructive way.
           But the left wing saviour of NZ politics thing is your construct; no-one has claimed that’s the case.
           • mickysavage 2.1.3.2.1.1

             27 May 2015 at 9:51 pm

             I don’t think there is an individual who will be the left wing saviour, the movement is a collective one. But I was a bit weird because I always hoped Lange would do the job even during the dark days of Rogernomics …
       • Clean_power 2.1.3.3

         28 May 2015 at 9:34 am

         No, not ungracious but a clear and perfect description of Jim Anderton by Draco. 100% accurate.
         • Ergo Robertina 2.1.3.3.1

           28 May 2015 at 12:27 pm

           You haven’t followed the thread.
           I replied to mickysavage, not Draco.
3. Colonial Rawshark 3

   27 May 2015 at 7:45 pm

   To members of the Former Alliance Party – consider rejoining Labour in your groups and networks and help us push this grand old party LEFT
   • Draco T Bastard 3.1

     27 May 2015 at 7:49 pm

     Or the Greens or The Internet Party or Mana.
     • weka 3.1.1

       27 May 2015 at 7:52 pm

       Or just the Green Party, which is a functional, competent left wing party with good internal processes and on the whole very good existing MPs.
       • Colonial Rawshark 3.1.1.1

         27 May 2015 at 7:55 pm

         Agree with both of you
         • Tamati 3.1.1.1.1

           27 May 2015 at 9:08 pm

           How’s your little fiefdom that is the Andersons Bay Labour Party?
           • Colonial Rawshark 3.1.1.1.1.1

             27 May 2015 at 11:05 pm

             Strong in spirit and sharp in critical thinking
             • Tamati …

               28 May 2015 at 1:38 am

               Good for you. I hope you contest the South Dunedin nomination vehemently come 2017.

               Are you officially recognized by the Labour Party executive council?
               • Colonial Rawshark …

                 28 May 2015 at 9:09 am

                 Dunedin South nomination? Uh, no thank you
                 • millsy …

                   28 May 2015 at 9:31 am

                   Pity. Having people like you in the Labour Party would actually want to make me vote for it.
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     28 May 2015 at 9:49 am

                     Salutations, millsy.
                 • dukeofurl …

                   28 May 2015 at 11:04 am

                   Just need a Big Red Jar of Jaffas, and the control of the party would be in your hands.
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     28 May 2015 at 11:07 am

                     Very interesting comment! I’ll stay down south though
                 • Tamati …

                   28 May 2015 at 11:25 am

                   Not you personally!

                   Just wondering if you intend to hold the current member to account?
                   • Colonial Rawshark …

                     28 May 2015 at 12:43 pm

                     Indeed. My ethos is that it is the duty of Labour Party branches to always hold MPs to account for their views and their performance, and that’s what we do at the ABP Branch.

                     Yes, we are a constitutional branch of the NZ Labour Party.
                   • te reo putake …

                     28 May 2015 at 12:49 pm

                     Crikey! I’d love to be a fly on the wall the next time you try and hold your local MP to account. Didn’t that MP once try to hold you to account?
     • Chooky 3.1.2

       27 May 2015 at 8:02 pm

       +100
     • mauī 3.1.3

       27 May 2015 at 8:12 pm

       A lot of work to do for Internet / Mana to get over 5% if the Maori seats don’t work out again. I voted for them last election and can’t help but feel a bit cheated that my vote didn’t count. I’ll probably be going back to a safer Green vote.
       • Clean_power 3.1.3.1

         28 May 2015 at 11:34 am

         Get real: Mana will never reach 5%, the Internet Party will die soon. The only hope for the Left is Labour WITHOUT the Greens.
         • mauī 3.1.3.1.1

           28 May 2015 at 12:57 pm

           Mana were polling at 4% at one point before the last election.

           Labour needs all the help it can get if it wants to be in Government. If they wanted to turn down the Greens they would need at least 40% of the vote – not gonna happen.
         • millsy 3.1.3.1.2

           28 May 2015 at 5:07 pm

           would be nice if you gave me a detailed explanation as to why clean air and water are evil.
       • Chooky 3.1.3.2

         28 May 2015 at 11:37 am

         yes maui …my sympathies….i voted Green ( worked for the Greens) and Mana/Int…and my vote didnt count either…thanks to Labour not cooperating with Mana/Int and Hone in the TTT seat…. and undermining the whole Election for the Left
         • mauī 3.1.3.2.1

           28 May 2015 at 1:07 pm

           Just looking at the results for Waiariki from 2014, the combined Mana and Labour vote was 10,000, and Maori Party got 7,500. But what happened was the Maori Party won by 2,000 votes – stupid. Labour has to stop this dog eat dog stuff and support the left candidates from other parties who can get into Parliament.
           • Chooky 3.1.3.2.1.1

             28 May 2015 at 1:57 pm

             +100
4. Stuff the Politicians 4

   27 May 2015 at 8:45 pm

   The only true Left wing Party is Mana and I do hope it has a future.

   The rest just do not have their hearts in the right place unfortunately, all talk and no do.
   • tinfoilhat 4.1

     27 May 2015 at 9:37 pm

     🙄
   • Clean_power 4.2

     28 May 2015 at 10:41 am

     Mana lost its reputation after its purchase by Kim DotCom. Ask around to confirm it.
     • Stuff the Politicians 4.2.1

       28 May 2015 at 11:15 am

       Labour long ago lost its reputation as can be seen by its low vote and the Nats are loosing theirs by the day, if not already lost.

       Politics and reputations are a very fluid thing.
     • Stuff the Politicians 4.2.2

       28 May 2015 at 11:15 am

       Labour long ago lost its reputation as can be seen by its low vote and the Nats are loosing theirs by the day, if not already lost.

       Politics and reputations are a very fluid thing.
   • Chooky 4.3

     28 May 2015 at 11:43 am

     Greens policies are very good….on a par with Mana/Int imo
5. swordfish 5

   27 May 2015 at 9:07 pm

   Party-Voted Alliance in both 1999 and 2002.

   Which made me a very rare species indeed. Only a tiny proportion of 1999 Alliance voters remained loyal at the next Election (and those heading off to Anderton’s newly-minted Progressives weren’t all that numerous either). I remember the New Zealand Election Study estimated that more than half of 99 Alliance supporters swung to Labour after the big stoush.
6. Tiger Mountain 6

   27 May 2015 at 11:00 pm

   a more apt example of the two issues that have and continue to divide the NZ left–both social democratic and marxist, would be hard to find–namely the attitude to social democracy as an ideology as opposed to specific reforms and the emphasis on International to local politics

   the Alliance had this conflict in spades, delivering reforms that endure to this day while ultimately running aground on the rocks of Afghanistan

   never did hear the full account of why Laila did not deliver that letter to the speaker and rid us of Mr Anderton, but New Labour and the Alliance remain important parts of NZ political history
7. Sable 7

   27 May 2015 at 11:14 pm

   A good party with good principles. I remember voting for them as an alternative to the revolting Labour mob when they first came to prominence. Seems if you have any ethics you wont last long in the swamp that is NZ politics.
8. millsy 8

   28 May 2015 at 9:28 am

   That is sad. I voted Alliance in 1999. Would have kept voting for them had they had half a decent chance of getting into Parliament.

   I always thought that Labour started drifting slowly rightwards after the Alliance lost its place in Parliament in 2002.
9. Kiwiri 9

   28 May 2015 at 10:20 am

   Hello All

   May I ask who posted this?

   Perhaps an update might be appropriate, given what is on the Alliance’s Facebook page?

   RIP is more likely soon to mean to ‘rise’ in peace 🙂

   See:

   “FYI, the Alliance is not winding up. Didn’t expect this to make headlines, given the general lack of interest in what we get up to but have seen a few posts already so…… the Alliance applied for deregistration because we had a bit of an admin slip up and didn’t get our three year membership renewals out in time meet electoral commission membership declaration deadlines. We thought we’d better fess up and ask for an extension to get things in order but only got given a week which was not long enough. We were hoping for a month. So we have applied to be deregistered in the meantime to keep everything above board. Not being registered saves a heap of admin and money (for a small party with no paid staff). It’s tempting to stay that way for awhile. Especially as we are keen for the Left to work together in some form or another. But we’ll see. Watch this space.”

   Source: https://www.facebook.com/alliance.party
   • Chooky 9.1

     28 May 2015 at 11:45 am

     How about a ‘Left Alliance’ which is Mana/Int, Greens , NZF and Labour ?
10. Red in the bed 10

    29 May 2015 at 12:52 am

    Can someone please explain to me why Jim Anderton is not perceived as a true leftie by those on this thread, and what exactly he did to alienate so many people?

    I voted for Alliance when Jim and Sandra were leader and deputy, and supported their policies completely, and thought he seemed like a great guy, so I’m genuinely perplexed by this…

    Didn’t he do a good job as Minister of Regional Economic Development?
    • Sable 10.1

      29 May 2015 at 10:25 am

      Jim Anderton is a good man.He would I suspect have been Labour PM in time, had he stayed on but he had something called principles and ethics so he left and set up his own party.

      The challenge for good people like Jim Anderton is the large number of arrogant creeps in political office he and others like him are confronted with. Its very hard to challenge a corrupt status quo. Especially when the MSM are busy licking their dirty boots.
11. Red in the bed 11

    30 May 2015 at 10:35 pm

    Pleased to hear you say that Sable. To me he is one of our great leaders and deserves a bit more respect. You don’t get to become deputy PM without breaking a few eggs along the way.

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